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Yeah, that's the way you start your Sunday morning. Good morning, everyone. On this, thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Those applause are for Robin Mark. Let's try that other one there, Chuck. I think we did that last week, too.

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This is Men of Messiah Production. It is your eternal perspective here on the Newstalk 920 KPSI. I'm your very humble co-host, Rich Gilgale. joined of course by Pastor Chuck DeVoe every Sunday morning at 7 a.m. Feel free to spread the word about us and you can watch this, by the way, on the Men of Messiah website at menofmessiah.com. We are audio and we are visual. And it's a pleasure, obviously, for us to be here with you this morning as we seek to make many of you aware that many times you listen to radio programs to win free gifts. Uh you know when you call in and you get the free gift. Well, we have here on the turn of your life. Yeah. If.

You'Re.

Lucky, if you happen to be the 120th call, well here you you can, it doesn't matter if what number caller you are. Uh here we have a free gift. We see.

That analogy. It's really not free because you're extending extensive labor just to get to the So it.

Doesn'T cost you any money. Let's put it that way. That's because you look at the word free differently than most of us look at the.

Word free. I take it literally. We look.

At the word free as to mean only one thing. That means you don't have to spend any dough. So we offer here on this show the free gift.

And I get choked up every time I say it, Chuck, the free gift of eternal life. And that is our mission statement on this radio show. And tell us a little bit about that. Well, Men.

Of Messiah Ministry is committed to.

As Biblicists and disciples of the word Jesus Christ, proclaiming the gospel about Jesus Christ, the good news about him. who he is, where he came from, why he came to this earth, what he accomplished, why he accomplished what he accomplished. John 3.16 says it.

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Love was the motivation. And with that, we are committed to proclaiming the message of eternal life. That a person receives eternal life, which is defined, as I understand from scripture, as the very life of Christ, the life of God. receives that as a permanent free gift at the moment of faith in Jesus as Christ. And can never.

Be taken away. That gift is.

Irrevocable, as all the gifts and callings of God are. He's not one who relinquishes on his commitment once he has stepped up to the plate and said, this is yours really. My son paid the price. You don't need to do anything. He did it all. He accomplished it.

All. across and I.

Want to give this to you. And it's so.

Against, uh, it's almost difficult for human beings to believe that because you know.

It'S not almost difficult. It's extremely different because it cuts into the grain of their natural instincts that man has to earn to get human favor, right? I mean, for example, the, the, uh, the Islamic terrorists and the whole religion, uh, religious systems, no matter how they express themselves are works only In other words, yes, you have to believe in God, but there's a plus sign there. You must also do this, this, this, and this. In this case, we're talking about some radical people who are taking it to the extreme. But biblical Christianity, the message of eternal life, the gospel about Jesus, when it's whittled down rich and looked at in its purest form, says this is who Jesus is, this is what he means to you, this is how much he loved you, this is what he accomplished, and here's how you benefit. by believing in him as the Christ, the giver of eternal life. This is the core message, as we have said repeatedly, of the Gospel of John, the fourth Gospel in the series of Gospels that comprise the beginning of the New Testament. That's Chuck DeVoe.

Pastor Chuck DeVoe. I'm Rich Gilgal, and the show is Eternal Perspective. It's brought to you by our good friends, the Men of Messiah, who are a group of local men And part-time residents gather every Friday morning currently at Desert Island Golf Course from 7 to 8. And they support this radio program. If it wasn't.

For the brothers, we wouldn't be on here. They stepped up to the plate and underwrote this program for a while so that we could get our message out. And we're really grateful to these guys, these brothers. Today's message, Chuck.

Revolves around salvation, which, you know, it's hard to communicate sometimes for me when I'm talking to my loved ones particularly. Right. And talking to, you know, in many cases strangers, you know, that this is the most important question that you have to answer in.

Your life. It is if you recognize that you're terminal. Unless you think.

You'Re never going to, you know, you're not going to die. Well, you know, it's interesting you say that because this culture is so focused on longer life. Uh, you know, you can live longer. I see the ads all the time. Yeah. Live longer. There's a limit to how even, even no matter what product you ingest, no matter what lotion you apply, uh, there is a surgery. It doesn't matter. At some point, As long as Jesus tarries, as the old guys used to say, at some point you're going to die, whether you.

Like it or not. Physically. Physically. This.

Body is going to give out. And so, you know, what we offer is a new.

Body. Well, no, we offer a new body in the future, but an analogy or a metaphor I've used repeatedly over the years, and it still works for me, and maybe it'll It'll connect with a listener, too, is that all people are spiritual, and all people live inside a physical body that I refer to as a cocoon in this metaphor. And all people are dead spiritually, and their physical bodies are dead spiritually. They're born into existence that way, according to the scripture. When a person comes to faith, any individual comes to faith and cries for eternal life, The miracle of regeneration, what we call new birth, takes place at the very core of the soul of the person, Rich, and you and me. A revolutionary, magnificent, supernatural miracle has taken place where God has made us a new man at the very core of our being. I like to say we turned into a butterfly from a worm.

But we still are encased in this cocoon. So the butterfly is now being formed, the spirit of the man, the regenerate man, you and me, is being formed and transformed daily into the likeness of Christ, in the process of Christian living, while still confined to this ugly cocoon. Now, the cocoon is the physical body, in the Romans 8, it says the body is dead because of sin. If Christ is in you, the spirit is life because of righteousness, but the body is dead because of sin. Okay, so, at the moment of physical death, for the believer, in Christ, for the person who possesses eternal life, and has been regenerated, been given a new man, a new spirit, the life of God. When that cocoon breaks open, out comes a beautiful butterfly. But for the person who has not been regenerated, who has not been born again, he's still a worm inside that cocoon. And when it cracks open at death, out comes that worm and not that butterfly. That is a metaphor that I've used repeatedly that I hope captures the attention of what it means to really be a regenerate, born-again.

Christian. And that is why we're so honored to be able to provide this information to you right now. This is not just life-changing information. This is eternal life-changing information. Huge, Rich. Huge.

This is an honor and a privilege. We're listening to Rahman Mark lead us in worship. That's worship music. I was worshiping this morning in song. And in praise with a man whose heart obviously is turned to the Lord. We're talking about holy, holy, holy is our God. Yes. Let's start.

From scratch here, Chuck. Explain the word.

Holy. Well, it's moral perfection. It's sinlessness. It's the absence of evil in any sense, in any form. That's holy.

You get, in the concept of holiness.

Pure sanctification. And that's the way our father is. And we attribute to him motives, a heart, a spirit. We attribute to him actions. They're all holy because he is holy. And that's what drives me to my needs, because I'm not. And he is someone so benevolent, so kind, and so gracious. To be willing, God so loved the world, that's the motivation that He gave. His love prompted Him to give His only begotten Son, Maloganes. His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him plus nothing shall not perish, shall not be destroyed, but shall have everlasting life. So His holiness, based on love, gave us a gift. And the amazing.

Thing is really that it is that simple. And the Bible talks about it really, How, you know, the human being will complicate this gift which is freely available. Well, I think.

That complication... Satanic in nature? Well, I think the influence. I think man has every capacity to commit every sin and evil on earth without the influence of Satan, but Satan certainly fans that corrupt... set of impulses in man to perform the things that we see on this planet today. But the, for example, the concept of salvation and the simplicity of receiving eternal life is complicated by well-meaning but misinformed and misguided Christians, preachers, teachers, so that there is significant, and I think very, this is not innocuous.

Error that's being propagated.

That does complicate something the Lord intended to be so simple. When you hear.

A preacher say on television that if you have faith, then you won't have cancer. If you have faith, you'll have a million dollars. And we hear this over and over again as people watch these TV preachers an awful lot. I mean, that's just heretical, is it not? Well, faith in.

What? Faith defined as what? I mean, what they're calling faith, I would call, to these purveyors of error, presumptuousness, manipulation, thoughts and attitudes and desires that come from man's need for self-preservation rather than a really trusting God. You know, the Bible says without faith, It is impossible, improbable, or unlikely. It's impossible to please God. So biblical faith is a very beautiful dynamic and concept and truth that drives life. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. It's impossible to please God. And those who come to Him must believe that He exists, that He is, and that He's rewarding those who diligently seek Him out. So it's the misuse of the term. It's the misapplication of it, based upon a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of it. And all of this is packaged in part of what we call heresy or destructive doctrines that permeate even the simple message of eternal life received as a free gift by faith in Christ alone. I mean, it couldn't be as simple. No, it's such a beautiful message. It's simplistic and beautiful. It's simplistic and magnificent. We might say it's magnificently simplistic. And for those.

Who aren't aware.

There'S a price at the throne that will be paid by these by these preachers. And you've talked about it a lot of the responsibility, uh, of, uh, of someone who, who preaches the gospel is his responsibility at that throne will be, uh, greater than, than, uh, than others. Well, the Bible.

Uh, You're talking about throne, you're talking about judgment, basically. The Bible, I think, refers to have isolated 12 particular judgments. The one you're talking about, I think, in particular, for false prophets and false teachers is the great white throne judgment that we talked about a couple of weeks ago from Revelation 20, 11 through 15. Ah, another Messiah. That's all right.

I just let it go. Yeah, we tried.

Go ahead. We're.

Going to.

Have to figure out a different tactic to tighten this up and making it work. While Rich is doing that, let me go on to say that one of the most compelling passages that refer to this judgment, this accounting that those who have preached false doctrine will have to account for, and in particular the distortion of the gospel about Jesus and the message of eternal life, is Matthew chapter 7 at the end of the Sermon on the Mount. And it's really part of the conclusion of the Sermon on the Mount. Just prior to the conclusion of the conclusion, he addresses the whole area of false prophets. And or false teachers, but false prophets. Pseudoprophetes. And I.

Think.

That from verse 13 through about verse 23 is really the text. If you have an example that you're interested, do that. So those who come in the name of Jesus, but they preach a false message. Even though their ministry is accompanied by what he calls miracles, casting out demons, healings. To me, that represents the very fundamental characteristics of the modern day charismatic movement. He says, I never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of iniquity into the lake, which burns with fire into eternal condemnation. So there is a judgment. There is an accounting that awaits those who preach false doctrine, and they're not believers. They're religious. but they're not regenerate. They've never come to faith in Christ and Him alone for the free gift of eternal life. No matter what else they did in the name of Jesus, they never did that. And they will.

Say that I preached in your name. I healed in your name. At that moment.

They are perplexed. They're perplexed. You.

Know, we.

Really did these things in your name. And he said, yes, you did, but you didn't do them in a viable relationship with me. That is, you never came to me in faith. as the Messiah for the free gift of eternal life. You added all kinds of other complications. You engaged all of this hyper-sensational, emotional experience, called it religion, in my name, and it meant nothing. Now, for Christians, for believers, for those who are born again and teach false doctrine, there awaits what James calls in James 3, a stricter judgment.

The comparative there certainly and clearly implies that all Christians will have an accounting before the Lord. Everyone who is saved, everyone who possesses eternal life is regenerate. It's not the Great White Throne. It's called the being the seat of Christ, the judgment seat of Christ. And there's a number of passages that refer to this judgment. Many, probably the most explicit is 2 Corinthians 5.10. We must all.

Appear.

Before the judgment seat of Christ as Christians. For what purpose? In order to receive to receive back the things according to what we've done in the body, whether good or evil. So this is a reward kind of thing. Let me finish. Yeah. Okay. Those who.

Are.

Get back to your original question asked about five minutes ago to those who are false teachers or teaching falsely or whatever, according to James one, They will stand before, I will, this is me, I will stand before the Lord and my judgment or my assessment will have a stricter tone to it because I've stepped into the arena of speaking for Jesus Christ and God. And that's very sobering. That's different than, let's say, Rich, my wife, who's not a teacher, whose assessment will be every bit as real as assessments will before the Lord, but she will not be held accountable to this higher standard. So preaching, teaching, You're unsaved or saved, whether you're a Christian or non-Christian. This is a very serious matter. Well, this is where.

Your teaching, Chuck, I believe personally has affected me and certainly the men of Messiah and anybody else who's come in contact with you over these years. This is something that is not taught enough, and that is that once saved, always saved. But as we go into this eternal life, uh, you know, there's a, I don't want to use the term pecking order, but there are, there is, there are responsibilities. It's not just, uh, you know, uh, with your angel wings sitting on a cloud with a playing.

A harp. What's that? Every issue you're telling me about the 10 was, yes. All right. Yeah. It's.

Not just.

It'S.

Not just, you know, you're not just up there playing instruments. I mean, you know, there are, there is, uh, There is activity that will resemble human activity. I mean, we can.

Go on a number of tangents. First of all, heaven is not our final frontier. Some of us will never see heaven. Let everybody catch their.

Breath there, Chuck, because this is why I wanted to get to this today, because this is the message that we.

Have.

And that's not a.

Bad thing. No, no, no. In fact, I hope I never see heaven. I'll be honest with you. Because that would mean that I would be alive when the Lord returns in the beginning of His second coming, what we call the Padre Sia, and I would be raptured and taken up with Him, with all other believers who are alive, to be with Him behind the clouds of heaven for seven years. That's where the judgment seat of Christ will take place, at the end of that seven years, or at some point during that time I'll receive my immortal, resurrected, glorified body. Then we will return. Only those who are deceased now, or who physically die, Christians I'm talking about the general people go to heaven and more particular and more specifically It's the third heaven there are three three heavens I think some say there's seven or ten But I for sure there's three and I think the third heaven is where if you have a deceased loved one rich As I do Who's a Christian who is a Christian who's born again? Who's got eternal life who's safe from hell? They're right now in the presence of the Lord to be absent from the bodies to be present with the Lord But if we we who alive When He returns, we'll never see heaven. What we will do is we will reside with Him on this present earth for 1,000 years, at the end of which He will consummate this universe and all of its works, burn it up, and create new heavens and a new earth. So fasting forward quickly here, our final destiny, our final frontier is the new earth. And that's eternal. Yes. In the new heavens. So that's what we have to look forward to for those of us who possess eternal life by faith in Him and Him alone and are saved from the other option, the lake which burns with fire and thirst.

So as we talk about this salvation, what other types of salvation, Chuck, does the Bible speak about?

This is one of the most misunderstood and misconstrued concepts in the Bible.

Fortunately, I wasn't too far into my Christian journey when I got straightened out on this, and I'm really thankful for that. That was, you know, four years ago, and I've been studying it out ever since, and there's some great brothers in Christ who I confer with on this, and we're of one mind. The predominant use of the word salvation in the Bible, speaking as a biblical philisist, is not to depict the eternal deliverance or rescuing from hell, or eternal damnation. In fact, 70% of the uses of the word salvation to a word group, whether it's the verb or the noun, of Old and New Testament, has to do with some type of temporal deliverance, rescuing, or salvation. That means that what you ought to do, or you need to do on your own, is pick up a concordance, the Bible comes beyond the strong one, look up the word salvation, and trace all the occurrences in both the Old and New Testament What you'll come up with, I believe, unequivocally, is that only three out of ten occurrences, maybe a little less than a third, really refer to deliverance or salvation from eternal hell, both in the Old and New Testaments. In fact, Rich, the word, the verb is soto, yeshah is the Hebrew term for save, to save, or soteviach.

This concept, this truth, probably, or this word, should be more poignantly interpreted as deliverance. I like the word deliverance rather than salvation. In your English text, you can't see it, but a lot of the interpreters, no matter what translation you use, when you see rescue, deliver, it's the same word that they translate saved in other contexts. But unfortunately, the common, if you would ask the ordinary Christian person, What does it mean to be saved in the Bible? What does salvation in the Bible mean? They would most certainly, more often than not, say it means salvation from eternal destruction or hell or condemnation. And I'm saying that's the minority use of the term. That's a small number to recognize or to allude to this deliverance or rescuing or salvation from eternal hell. There are a few passages in the New Testament that refer to it. Listen to this. In the Old Testament, there's not one occurrence of the use of salvation that refers to eternal salvation or deliverance from eternal hell. Every use of the term salvation in the Old Testament has to do with some form of temporal salvation or deliverance. What do you mean.

When you say that? Temporal? Okay, for example...

It's.

Earthly. On time.

You know, earthly experience. For example, the most predominant use by far of the word salvation of the word group in the Old Testament is Israel's deliverance from her enemies or the leaders of Israel being delivered or saved or rescued from the goyim, from their enemies.

Psalm 18, 2 and 3 is an example of that word. David declares that God Yahweh will save or deliver him, there's the word save, from his enemies. The second most predominant use in the Old Testament of the word group, salvation and Is deliverance from harm or trouble? This appears to be, again, the way the biblical writers under the inspiration of the Spirit wanted us.

To understand it. Deliver me, deliver me, please. From trouble or harm.

Yeah, you see it in the Psalms. The Psalms are a good place to start. Nothing to do with eternal deliverance from hell. Going to heaven. Okay. The third category, semantical category of the use of the word salvation, Salvation and deliverance of the needy and downtrodden from their poverty. Deliver me, O Lord, from this poverty. Yeah, Psalm 12.5. Strictly Temple. Strictly Temple. And then one that has got to be very special to the historical, theocratic situation of Israel. To Yahweh, the Lord God of creations. Salvation and deliverance of Israel from captivity. Psalm 14.7 and 53.6 where David anticipates, this is 400 years after the Exodus captivity, captivity in Egypt. He prophesies of the Babylonian captivity of Israel. Which has happened. Which began at 538 after David's long gone. And in the Psalm he is crying out for the alterate deliverance, rescuing or salvation of Israel from from their enemies, from those that would leave them captive. And also with this though, I might add, the Old Testament concept, this is very important, the introduction of the kingdom into the context of Israel as the center of God's kingdom. So that not only were they saved and rescued from something, they were saved and rescued from something to something.

It's.

Good. It's not enough to be saved from.

Something to something. You know somebody a life Preserve their.

Drought. It doesn't matter if there's not a boat. There's not a boat to bring him to death, right? It doesn't do any good to drop a life preserver off a helicopter I mean you have to be saved from the the ocean into the boat Yeah.

Let me let me just for those of you who might be listening that are interested in studying the scriptures or reading it In terms of any concept, since we're talking about salvation. Well, let.

Me just pause you just for a second, because you mentioned, and you know, we have a lot of people listening who may not be familiar even with the term concordance. And I have to say that whoever this guy Strong was, I mean, that's quite a job. Every word that is in the Bible is listed alphabetically in the concordance. and allows it what a amazing verses.

In the in both the old and new testament where that word appears right.

And where that word appears and usually.

They'Ll give you the the hebrew or.

Or the or the greek the greek whichever the case may be it is if you're interested and i hope you are obviously you have some interest you're listening to this show you know get yourself a strong it's available by the way online right for free basically or for a dollar or two i'm not on Barnes and Noble, other sites. It's an amazing, it's for $1 or $2 or $5, it's an amazing addendum to your biblical studies. It will amaze.

You. Let me recommend, if I may, Rich, how to approach the use of a concordance with regard to the concept of salvation.

Go to the references and ask these questions. They're just very fundamental, you don't have to be a scholar or a genius to say, uh and they'll strongs will define the salvation is rescuing delivering keeping from harm salvation okay what what or who is being saved what is it or from what is the one who being saved getting saved from who's doing the saving and what's the result of the salvation And if you just ask those fundamental questions, who, what, where, why, in context, you'll see that the predominant use of the word salvation in the Bible, and in particular, the predominant exclusive use of salvation in the Old Testament, is some form of temporal deliverance, not eternal. But unfortunately, because of a misunderstanding of many who are spokespersons for God, spokesmen for Christ, they have created An understanding that every time you read this word salvation in the Bible, you must think of being delivered or saved from hell. And that is not the case. It's just not the case. Now in the New Testament, let me quickly go over some semantical categories with you which correlate of the word salvation. Deliverance, rescuing from physical death and sickness. We see this, for example, in Matthew 8, 24 and 25. disciples are in the boat with Jesus. Yes. And they're awake during this tempest and they cry out, save us. Yes. Save.

Us. Save us from the.

Storm.

From the.

Storm. Yeah. From the storm. Okay. Uh how about Matthew 921? Uh what I if if only I may touched his garment, I will be what? Saved. Saved. Just that's temple salvation. She.

Had.

She had this woman had an issue of.

Which was, by the way, in the culture at the time.

But she's not saying, save me from.

Eternal hell. Right. No, she's saying, you know, because.

She.

Was, because of this issue of blood, uh, she was untouchable basically. Right. She.

You know, she was hurting and she needed deliverance and rescue from this hurt, which was a physical ailment. And, and then there's a good old Peter in Matthew 1430 where he, you know, he's, he's, uh, uh, took his eyes off Jesus while he was walking.

On the water. And guess what? Right into the ocean.

Save me! Deliver me! From hell? No! From drowning!

Right. Well, isn't this...

Let me go.

On.

With the other categories quickly, Rich, and then we'll open it up and I want you to just probe it. There's salvation, and this is a very important one. Deliverance from God's temporal wrath. This is the exclusive use of the word salvation in Romans. Romans, the book of Romans, as I understand it, appreciate it, have studied it and exegeted it, does not use salvation in any of its occurrences to refer to eternal salvation from hell. For example, in 1.16 and 1.17, the thematic verse of the book of Romans, Paul says, for I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation, to all who believe, to the Jew first and then to the Greek. The salvation he's talking about as he develops his argument in the book of Romans is salvation from temporal wrath. Well, this is.

A great subject in itself. That's not eternal salvation. So, you know, there are those who preach that there's no such thing as temporal wrath.

There's no such thing as eternal wrath. You know, we often think of God's wrath and anger. That's what the word orge means. The orge of God is an eternal thing. No. The wrath of God is confined to temporal life and experience. Right now, God is angry with mankind at the examine level. Why? If you want to know why, read Romans 1, 18-32. Because the condition of man described in that text is why God is angry with mankind. The rebellious nature, sexual immorality, lying, deceiving, conniving, killing. It's all there. He's angry with man on a temporal level. When this life is wrapped up and done, he's not angry. He's finished his purpose and it's over with. So there's no such thing as a, uh, to me, uh, there's no legitimate, uh, uh, interpretive, uh, leeway to attach the concept of eternity to wrath. It's a temporal.

Experience. He loves, he chastises. Is.

That, uh, well, that's love that, you know, he, he, you know, he gets, he gets displeased with, with, uh, with us as his children. Uh, And we can experience the wrath of God if we go off and live inappropriately, immorally, or whatever. Because we're His, because we possess eternal life, and because we are saved from eternal hell. And even though in the innermost part of my being I'm a holy person, I can do, because of my flesh, because of this cocoon, evil things. And when I do, I invite the wrath of God. It's from that that I need to be saved. It's from that that I need to be cleaned up. Let's take an alcoholic. Let's take an alcoholic. Now, the concept of wrath, basically, and simply speaking, is God giving man over to their own impulses and evil. It's not like he's necessarily proactively acting on his anger by judging. Sometimes he does that. natural consequences of man's rebellious, depraved heart living in sin. Somebody who's an alcoholic or a drug addict, they're killing themselves, and they could actually die from the continual habitual entertainment of these things. And that's an expression of God's wrath. Maybe we can call it passive wrath, but it's still wrath. God's allowing this to happen because man has sunken into the abyss of depravity so far. I know a situation, to give you an example, of a guy that came home from work early one day and caught his wife in bed with another guy, and he blew the guy away and beat the living daylights out of his wife. He killed the guy.

Now, this guy was committing adultery, his wife is committing adultery, sin, and they pay dearly for the consequences. In a passive sense, this is God's wrath.

To seep as low as they will get, hoping that they'll come to their senses and just look up at the cross and say, this is your vehicle for deliverance, my son, from this wrath. And, you know, to live a life with him. So salvation in the book of Romans is deliverance from temporal wrath or anger and the many expressions that it has. What a.

Message that is this morning, as you pointed out earlier. These messages are not often preached. And so that's why it's very special. This radio program, thanks to Chuck DeVoe, is very, very special. And you can hear it particularly this morning, I.

Think. And let's talk about, Rich, for a few minutes. Our time has been kind to us this morning, I think.

No, you're good. We're rolling like a doughnut, brother. We're rolling like.

A doughnut. Let's talk about the uses of eternal salvation from hell. In other words, being delivered from the destiny of condemnation and judgment and the light which burns with fire and brimstone. There are a number of passages that clearly refer to this type of salvation, eternal salvation from hell. Uh Ephesians two eight and nine four by grace. Chuck, you've been saved through faith. It's not of yourselves. It's the gift of god. You've been saved from eternal hell through faith in Christ and him alone. It's not of yourself. It's a gift of the not of works lest any man should boast. Uh uh uh Titus uh uh three five not by works of righteousness which we've done but according to his mercy, he saved us from.

Important moment. It might be a very important moment in your life out there today. You may have never heard this before. You know, you may think that you just happened to turn this radio station on. Maybe it was on last night. You were listening to Dr. Savage and it just stayed on. There are no coincidences. If you're listening to this program, uh this is an important message and it might be we may be here chuck you and i just for that one person out.

There today who's would that be wonderful.

Wouldn'T it because you know and and and this is a this free gift of eternal life you know and eternal salvation and eternal salvation from hell from hell you may you may a million.

I want to thank Rich Gill-Gallon and Chuck DeVoe and just for bringing this up on this radio program today. That's how important it is. It's a decision you can make.

You don't have to dance, you don't have to give all your money to a church that is, in my view, in many cases, to a religion, let's say, who's robbing people every day to line their own pockets. You don't have to do anything. And our blessed Lord and Savior makes this so easy because if works are what counted.

None No, because the works would have to be perfect and flawless, both in makeup as well as in motivation. And for a man to achieve eternal acceptance and acceptable merit before God on the basis of his works means that there was never one lie, one bad thought, one evil situation that he was ever in. One, as soon as that happens, you take yourself outside the realm of perfection in terms of the sacrifice that God required. And.

That would include, uh, by the way, uh, each and every one of you, because people will say, well, and we, and how, how many times do we hear, you know, I just believe that if you're a good person, then, you know, God will, will take you into heaven. But no one, none of us is good in, in, in, in our actions, our thoughts, our behaviors in his Well, in Romans.

4 of course, to him who does not work, to him who does not work in any sense, but believes on him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, his faith. You know, Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness. It's simply believing in Christ, being persuaded or convinced that when Jesus says, I give you eternal life for you, if you receive it by faith, yes, you do. That's the You know, he's reduced it down to the most fundamental and the elementary level.

Of understanding. And he has to, because...

So that six-year-olds can...

Exactly. He has to, because we're thick, we're dense.

And.

We go... and we fight. Yeah, it's.

Almost like if we can confuse and complicate things, we're bright. Yes. You know, I know several guys that, you.

Know.

You can't understand a thing they're saying. They've talked for 50 minutes, and you're hoping that something of... some semblance of under... But, I mean, it's just... it's weird, because... The heart of man is conflicted and not God. This is my son. This is what he's done for you. This is why he's done this for you because we love you. And all you need to do in order to benefit from this is believe in him for the free gift of life, eternal life and eternal salvation. What an amazing.

Amazing gift. And then get on.

And live the life that he's given us in devotion to him. I've been doing that for four years and it's been a real rocky road. Yeah, well.

Doesn'T he say somewhere in Matthew or Luke that it's an easy road? Does he say it's easy to say? Yeah, I mean... Yeah, right. No. It's not in.

There? No. Discipleship to Jesus Christ, the word multites means pupil, follower, learner. I'm a learner, I'm a Biblicist slash disciple, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. That's an arduous process, and he warns us. He says, you know, consider the cost, count the cost. In fact, Luke 14, 35 and following, count the cost. You know, because if you come to me, and you follow me seriously, you're saved, you have eternal life, but if you choose to follow me in this life, to make me the center of your thinking, your philosophy, your theology. If you really follow me, it's going to cost.

You something, man. It may cost you, uh, it may cost you your family. It may, it may, it may cost you, uh, everything. And we're a little spoiled, uh, in America. Thank God, uh, for the opportunity to express, uh, our Christian, uh, thoughts and prayers in other places in the world, in other places in this world today, it will cost you your house, your home, your life, And it's happening every single solitary day across our world today. There are people that are being beheaded, that are being actually in the Middle East today crucified. Crucifixion now has come back in a rampant way in the Middle East simply for your.

Belief in Christ. Such a holy symbol turned into such a dark, dark expression of faint good. It's ugly the way things have been twisted, Rich, you know. As a Bible-believing disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, and one who has secured his eternal destiny by believing in him for the pre-gift of eternal life and salvation, I follow him. He's my king. He's my president. He's the leader, the captain, the pioneer of my faith.

You know, our earthly expression of kingship is combined with our earthly concept of brotherhood in Jesus Christ. He's not only our king, but he says, I'm.

Also your brother. That is a tremendous recollection on your part. I understand to be a brother of Christ, and that phrase is used in a couple of occurrences, in Hebrews and also in Romans, to be a brother of Christ, to really say that I'm a brother of Christ, here's what I believe earmarks the truth of that statement. I'm born again through faith in Christ. I've received the free gift of eternal life and eternal salvation, so my destiny is secure. Now I have devoted my life to following Him, His teachings, His leadership, role modeling and all of that, right up to the end. I'm going to endure to the end. And for that, because I've done that, I am given the title of brother, or even one that shines with a little bit more enticement to me is to be a friend of God. So, not all believers, not all regenerative people, not simply because we're regenerative, we're believers, we're saved, we possess eternal are really brethren of Christ, or those that are called friends. It's those who have been saved, who do possess eternal life, but commit their lives to expressing the life of the Savior and following Him in obedience. This will be fared out in the future. So I think that here we have the king of the future ruling and reigning in this kingdom, the monarch. And those that are surrounding his throne, those that are placed in strategic Places of political and governmental authority are the brethren and the friends. So if I spend my life as a Christian yacking it up and not serving him, ashamed of talking about him maybe in public at a cocktail party or something, I'm born again. I'm a Christian. You're not a brother. You're not a friend. You're saved. You possess eternal life. But when it comes to the final accounting, Don't expect to hear, well done, good and faithful servant, brother, friend. Those are the.

Words that every Christian prays. That's.

Not how you get saved now, I remember.

That. But that phrase, that phrase is the phrase. Where you know, when you hear that phrase, everything's...

Rachel, I tell you from time to time, because it's true, that was a well done show. You did a good job. Don't you like hearing.

That? Of course, yeah.

And, you know, that's, of course, the thrill of that is contingent upon the respect that you afford me, or you commune to me. So, coming from someone, you know, let's say, you respect and that's honorable, and they say, well done. That's a wonderful thing to hear, isn't it? It is. It is. Well, think about hearing it from the.

King, from.

The son of God. Yeah. I mean.

That phrase, well done, good and.

Faithful servant. You've been faithful in a few things. I'm going to make you ruler over many. Enter into the joy of your Lord, into His joy, because you've followed Him and you've been faithful in a few things. That's what it means to be a brother or friend of Christ or of God. Just.

That terminology, enter. Enter into the joy. I mean, that's an amazing...

Come in and experience my joy, which is Messianic.

Kingdom joy. And so when you're told to enter, it's usually to a place. Well, it's into his.

It'S it's into the experience of Messianic what I would call Messianic joy Remember and Hebrews 12 1 and 2 he says for the joy set before him For the joy set before me endured the cross Despising his shame and then sat down at the right hand of the father so he saw and anticipated the joy that he was going to experience after he suffered and Once he sat down with his father at his right hand That's the joy that awaits us If we hear those words, well done, good and faithful servant, there is a supreme, superlative experience of joy that is patterned after his joy that you and me, Richard, if we endure with him, we don't compromise, we stay faithful to him, in these very little things, these things that we have to do, we may hear those words. You want to talk about the Messiah meeting us? What do you call that when you do that?

It's a reset. We're resetting. It's the, uh, this is, uh, eternal.

This is.

The eternal perspective, uh, right here on Newstalk 920 KPSI. By the way, an honor to be here. We're grateful to the, uh, management staff of, uh, of, uh, uh, our, our radio for the opportunity. And of course the sponsorship of the group of men, men of Messiah who have pooled their resources to make this possible here on on this radio station. We're so humbly grateful to them and we're grateful also to all who listen and we pray every day that you will just open your ears to this message. This is a powerful, powerful message that we speak about here every Sunday morning at seven o'clock. It is the most important message that you can ever receive. Uh because your eternal life is is what we are. Uh we're trying to help you just see. Accept this gift and live forever. I mean, recently.

Uh there was some discussion with some people who have lost loved ones recently and the question was posed, where are they?

Uh enigmatic look on their face was sad they don't know you know well i hope he's in heaven i hope he's in heaven right i don't know what the concept of heaven is i hope he's in a better place or she's in.

A better place that's what we say all the time well he's in a.

Better but we don't have to be so ambiguous we don't we can be definitive if we understand the scripture and we take it at face value If a person is saved or possesses eternal life, we know where he is. We know where he's doing that sort of thing. Or she. So we don't have to be concerned. But these are the issues. Do you miss your husband? Oh, I miss him deeply. I miss him deeply. I want to go be with him. Where? I don't know. Somewhere. Outer space. Outer limitless. In the clouds. Infinity. Up.

In the.

Clouds. There's such a dark, errant strain that runs through life that hits all aspects of it. The Andromeda strain. And the reason for that is.

Because it's the way the culture presents it. They present it in cartoons for kids. They present it in movies for us, even in songs. And they present this. I mean, how many times as a kid did you see even a cartoon character that gets hit over the head, winds up with angel wings and a harp, right? Although it's silly, those The visuals have an effect.

On kids. Well, they do, because in the heart of man is the desire for eternity. I mean, we looked at that text from Ecclesiastes 3.11 a few weeks ago. God has set or placed eternity in the heart of man. There is a desire to know, to live beyond this temporal life with something that is much more grand than what I have now, or at least as grand. Now, let me say that these deceased people we're talking about were very wealthy. When they left this planet, they left behind wealth. What.

Do you mean left behind? They didn't they they couldn't take the uh, there's no there's no mercedes beds up there You.

Know, they tried to put the skies rolls royce in the back of the u-haul but didn't work didn't work You know that they're and so the bones go into the grave should they not be cremated or the dust is sprinkled over land or sea But where's the person? Where's the individual? God says that person He has come to faith in my son for eternal life. He's with my son right now, awaiting a grand future. If he has not, or she has not, then they're in a place called Hades, Old Testament Sheol, which is in the center of the earth. The spirit of the man or the woman who does not possess eternal life, presently has died, is in the center of the earth.

And what do we know about that, Sheol? What do.

We know about it? Well, it's a real place. Geographically, it's in the center of the Earth. We're standing right now, or we're sitting, on the face of this planet, held by the gravity that the laws of physics are operating on this planet, on top of deceased souls and spirits, and or spirits. They're in the center of this Earth, a place called Hades, or the Abasu, the bottomless pit. That's where they will wait until the Great White Throne of Judgment. It's like a county jail being held over to the final sentence. So there's two destinies. I mean, this is not preaching hellfire and brimstone. This is reality. But, you know, again, let's accentuate the positive here. You can escape that, you can escape that reality by being persuaded to convince it, yes, yes you are. Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, the Son of God, and by believing in Him, you have eternal life and eternal salvation from hell. No matter what you do with that life from that point on, it's yours. Forever irrevocable.

Well.

I thought we'd wrap up right now.

With a word of prayer. Thank you. Would you please? Thank you. I meant to Father Rich and myself as.

Two creatures.

That have been remade in the holiness and likeness of your son through new birth praise you and express our gratitude together. We thank you for making the message so simple and so clear. And yet we honor and acknowledge the awesome, almost incomprehensible price you paid to extend this offer to mankind. And I'm reminded of the woman at the well, who for one drink of water received everlasting life. And now, presently, this American, this half-breed in a mighty Israelite, is with her Savior. We love you. We commit this week to you. May you bless the hearts of those that took time to listen and think about the things that were said today according to your will. In Christ's name we pray. Amen.

Thank you, Chuck. We'll be back next Sunday at 7 a.m., so be sure to tune in to Eternal Perspective right.

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