Your Optimum Health with Dr. Edmund Chein "Leaky Gut"

Welcome to youo Optimum Health. I'm Jeff Harris. I'm here with Dr. Edmund Chen. Dr. Chen, you know, the neat thing that I get to experience with this program, and especially for the viewer watching, is that this is. You're just really laying out a blueprint of how people can live at their optimum health.

Right?

And it's not just about diet. It's just not about supplements. It's not about exercise. It's not. Well, I can only be healthy if I'm genetically. You know, it's in my genes. It's a lot different. And that's what makes it for me so exciting to be here. We have a new topic today, and it is. It's going to hit below the belt. We're going to talk about your gut.

Yes.

Yeah. And specifically now there's a. There's a term called leaky gut.

Exactly.

What. What is that?

Okay, first of all, the. The traditional orthodox MDS does not. Do not like this term. Okay? They. They call. They call it. They. They would like to hear a term. Increased intestinal permeability. Okay. Okay. But I think that when I say those words to a layman, they don't understand what I'm talking about, you know, so. But I think that's why I love this term leaky gut. And because it's so simple. It gives you a picture in your head. My gut is leaking. The gut is a tube. Everybody knows that. From the stomach to the rectum. But. And this tube has a. Has a hole, quote, unquote. And basically, it's not a hole, it's just that it leaks the intestinal. The membrane is only one cell thick. So when. When the wine cell is inflamed, destroyed, damaged, things leak through.

So why is that. So why is that such a big deal? First of all, let me ask you this is, is leaky gut or this permeable member. I'm sorry, what did you say?

Intestinal permeability?

Yes. Even leaky gut is easier to remember than.

Is that like. First of all, is that like mainstream or is it like some kind of fringe medicine? Is it like only. Only a small group of people living in ind. What is this all about?

Excellent question. It's extremely mainstream. In fact, the world's authority is Harvard. So we cannot get more orthodox or mainstream than Harvard. And Harvard has a professor that's famous throughout the world, Dr. Fasano, and his research is one that proved leaky gut. So if you're a doctor, you're a personal physician, your plan, doctor, does not Know what increased intestinal permeability is? Using his term and not accepting your leaky gut term. You say you should fire your doctor because your doctor is behind times. He is busy making money. He has not kept up. And in my view, he's a quack. So he. Every doctor should know what leaky gut syndrome is because it's related to so many other problems that we'll talk about today that are thought to be caused by other problems, but intel are caused by the leaky gut. So this.

This whole leaky gut thing, is that is it? I've started to hear that more and more.

Absolutely.

And it seems to be like, you know, next thing you know, somebody comes in that they've been ill for a while, and they say, well, I end up having leaky gut. And I'm like, what does that mean? So tell us. Tell us if you will, what that means. I mean, I know you said it's like when the. When the. The lining is one.

Yes.

One cell, one cell thick, and things leak through into. Why is that such a problem? It's inside our body. Isn't that supposed to all work out?

No, it's a problem because.

Because when we are built such a way with our tube that the food is supposed to come down the pipe, and each section of the pipe, the stomach, the small intestine and the large intestine has a function to digest those foods. And it's supposed to be kept in the tube and dumped it at the end. It's not. And it is the. Think of it. Think of a pearl chain, pearl necklace. Our job is to cut those links and turn that necklace into each pearl. And it is those pearls that get absorbed. Okay? In fact, two pearls will not be absorbed. So our job is to cut. And there are many, many ways to cut it. Enzymes, digestive enzymes, and churning and turning and all that. And cells to break it down, cells to absorb. So when.

The intestine leaks. Well, let's pick banana, for example.

Okay.

The blood, our blood. Never seen banana.

You draw your blood throughout your lifetime. The blood. You will not find banana proteins in your blood. Okay? Okay.

Not supposed to be there.

Not supposed to be there.

Okay.

But when you have a leaky gut, that banana protein is going to leak into the blood. Now you're in trouble. Why? Because we have natural defense mechanisms. The lymphocytes. The lymphocytes could come up and say, what is this? This is an enemy. This is either a bacteria, virus or some toxins. I'm gonna form an antibody that's Our defense mechanism. Anybody to lock it up, to lock this banana protein. So it does that in your defense. It does that and you have no problem. Okay? But this antibody, now how does it know this is banana and that's apple? Because of the protein surface structure of banana. That's all you can read. Example, abcd, Banana protein reads abcd. Okay? Now, any cell in your body that has a protein structure of xxx, abcd, yyy, boom.

It attacks because of the abcd. Abcd.

It recognized abcd, even though in front of us, XXX and YYY make no difference to the lymphocyte. So basically the lymphocyte attacks that organ.

And that's why it causes all these problems further from the site of the gut. Has nothing to do with the gut, you know, and let's just talk. Actually, this is what brings the patient to the pain. The doctor, sure, something's going on. I have brain disease. I'm, you know, I have senile dementia. I have, I have Parkinson's. I have imbalance of gait, brain. Okay, I have peripheral neuropathy. Doctor, why, you know, I'm, and, and, okay, I have joints, arthritis. I have rheumatoid arthritis. They behave like rheumatoid arthritis. Okay? You know, and in fact, most autoimmune diseases, most are caused by lechiga, and that's lupus, that's rheumatoarthritis, that's a sle, that's multiple sclerosis, you name it. Just so you know, so many conditions that autoimmune diseases are caused by the cause of the cause of leaky gut. The ultimate problem is a leakage. Can you fix the leaky gut? You solve all these other problems that have prescriptional drugs for, you know, and, and diabetes.

Yeah.

Yes. Can be caused by leaky gut. Thyroid disease, Hashimoto's disease. Hashimoto's autoimmune disease. Thyroiditis. Definitely leaky gut. So it can cause all these problems.

What kind of, what kind of things, Dr. Chen? What kind of things cause the leaky gut? I mean, is it the way we eat? Is it. Yes. You know, is it our exercising tube? What is. What is it?

Very excellent question. We talked the causes, okay? The two major common causes are infection and inflammation. Okay? Infection, easy to understand. Virus, bacteria, fungus, all right, Parasites, Okay? Very easy to understand. You got that? You start having diarrhea. You go to your doctor, I have diarrhea. Doctor says, okay, give a prescription, you took it and you're fine. You think, oh, I'M fine now. My diarrhea stopped. Oh, you didn't know. You didn't know that the infection process. Infection damaged a cell. Now you are free from diarrhea. You think you're cured. No. You got a problem at home now in the gut that is defective. A cell that was damaged by that infection, and that cell now leaks.

Gotcha.

Yeah. So that's the most common cause of the infection. Second cause is inflammation. Inflammation is basically not caused by these bacteria, fungus and virus and all that. And that can be triggered by two things. Most common things. One is, I call it perinatal, meaning if you were born without breastfeeding or not, you know, breastfeeding. So if you. Right now, the recommended duration is nine months. Why? Because we, as a human being, like cowboys, needs a period of time for the intestines to mature. You see little dogs and cats, when they're born, boom, they run off from the mama. They are neurologically developed and they eat. Day one without milk even. Okay. Animals are capable doing that. We men, you know, I mean, it takes 11 months even to walk. Right, right, right. If it takes 11 months to walk, you think the intestine is developed on day one? No. So if you breath, if you bottle feed your child, you know, and not give your child enough time to develop. Intestine, leaky gut. The gut is defective at birth.

So when that happens at birth, I mean, is that either one of these. Inflammation, infection. I mean, is it something that can be turned around, that they have a healthy gut?

We'll talk about the treatment now. Absolutely can be cured. This is a curable condition.

Now, before you do that, so you've defined. Okay. For sure, there's two places where this comes from. Inflammation and infection. Inflammation, infection. The one I'm. And I'm just going to kind of backtrack just a little bit, because when I have an infection or somebody has an infection, it shows an outward sign. And then I go to my doctor and they treat it and it feels like, hey, I'm okay.

Yeah.

No longer in your situation. You said I no longer have the diarrhea, so I must be okay. But there's all kinds of other things going on in there. The damage, the damage is being done. It's like, how do. I mean, I know we're going to talk about treatment. It's like, any other signs that would show up that like, all of a sudden, let's say, for instance, all of a sudden I start noticing, boy, I'm having a lot of joint pain.

Yeah.

That I never had before.

Yeah.

Could that, that's a sign.

Yeah.

Okay. All right.

That's why we are talking about optimum health.

Gotcha.

Optimum health includes your low tolerance for symptoms and signs that appear. Not knowing why. Yeah. You have to be astute. You have to be low tolerance. Can't say, oh, I can't. I can take this little aches and pains and let that go for 10 years. You are wrong. That is not optimum health. And while you're bearing that pain of little arthritis, the next thing is, you know, it's gonna attack a main organ.

Interesting.

During that 10 years time.

So it's almost like, it's almost like why we have that, that barometer, that baseline of, hey, 98.6, 98.7 could be an indicator. Or 98.6 or 5. It's an indicator.

Exactly.

Because that's not optimum.

Not optimum.

Interesting. Okay, so when we, when you are at that stage and you feel something is out of. I'm going to call it out of whack. It's. It's not on that baseline. You should do something about it.

Yeah.

Don't put it off because it's doing things internally that we're not aware of that I hate to say it could be irreversible.

Exactly. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So preventable or preventable. Yeah. So, okay, so we've got the, we've got the, the definition of what leaky gut is.

Oh, and drugs. Drugs too. Any drug. Antibiotics, medications, A lot of medications can, can cause damage to the intestinal lining. Okay. Which causes inflammation, which causes leaky gut.

So you got three areas then.

Yeah. Okay. Drugs, inflammation, infection, inflammation, perinatal history. Oh, right. Okay. And something that you put your mouth. That got in.

Okay, so now let's talk about, talk about is it treatable and if so, what kind of treatment are we talking about?

No, before you go to treatment, we must talk about diagnosis.

Oh, let's do that.

Okay. Because the reason is.

I'm just ready to get an answer here.

Yeah. Yeah. Because how do you know it is when you have this joint pain, you know, and you go, you know, just mild pain like we talked about last week, right side, right wrist and not the left wrist.

Yes.

Okay. You can't say it's arthritis because arthritis, you use both your hands, you know, especially on the, on the, it happens on non dominant hand, wrist. It's not arthritis. Because suppose we. Both sides of it is wear and tear. Right. The way we understand arthritis. So basically diagnosis is very important. So when you Go to your doctor, your plant doctor, okay? And you're going to say, okay, could you please rule out that I have leaky gut. If leak gut is the cause of this, okay? So your doctor and you hopefully through this video, should know what test that the doctor should do to prove or disprove the diagnosis, okay? And because it proves out to be not a leaky gut, well, another reason for your symptoms or your disease, okay? And example, diabetes. You know, diabetes can be caused by so many causes.

But leaky gut is one of them. So sometimes you cure the leaky gut, you cure the diabetes, but you got to eliminate it. You got to do the test, say no, sir, you don't have leaky gut, your diabetes is not related to leaky gut, or you have leaky gut and your diabetes is possibly related, caused by it. So you or your doctor must know what test to do, okay? So the traditional test, now the most scientific up to date test, is to test the antibodies against Zonulin. Z O N U L I n Zonulin. That's Dr. Fazano's work. Harvard, okay, I'm talking Harvard, okay. Their work, his discovery that there are antibodies once that leaky, that cell is damaged the cell wall, Zonulin is the wall between the two cells actually. And when you have inflammation, that juncture, that wall is broken and the body synthesize anybody against it, okay, Try to repair it, try to protect you, try to send that anybody. And if you did, and that can be tested in lab, quite a few now, but the most scientific one and most latest one well accepted by many, many doctors is Cyrex. C Y R E X. Okay? And if your doctor just order a Cyrex test and finds out that you have antibodies against Zonulin, you have Harvard defined leaky gut.

Interesting.

Okay. That's very traditional orthodox test and diagnosis. You got it? Another way to diagnose it is by deduction. Okay? Deduction meaning evidence, circumstantial evidence that proved the existence of fact. Okay? Like crime, okay. Sometimes you don't see the robbery, but circumstantial evidence. People saw you there, you have that gun, you have the cash in your, in your car and you got a fingerprint on the. It's circumstantial. We didn't see you robbing that bank, that atm, atm. But you have, we have enough proof to say same thing here, okay? Deduction, what are they? They are food and gluten antibodies. So a doctor.

Can not choose not to do the Cyrex, which is quite expensive. I Hope they'll drop the prices. About 600 bucks. Yeah. But the doctor can say, okay, let's do the less expensive ones. The food sensitivity test. Okay? And I don't use the word allergy because allergy is actually ige. Only when you break up immediately. When you eat something like a peanut that you heard about, and people choke. That's allergy. Food allergy. We're not talking about that. We are talking about food sensitivity, which is.

A phenomenon manifested by igg. Okay? And these are two different types of armed forces. We have the. Shall we call the ige. Giving you the asthma attack is Air force. So fast, boom. They hit the bomb and they'll react. They find you, they throw a bomb and it's boom. Like that, okay? And you choke. Okay. It's impressive. And it's ige. It's ige.

Okay.

Okay. And that's Air force. Okay. But the army, hey, you know, a lot of people going and rifles, a lot of shots, you know, slow, but still an armed force. So when. When you have food sensitivities, which is the army now, the igg, they damage you slowly. These crazy people, crazy soldiers, like our soldiers coming back from post traumatic stress syndrome, they go to the neighbor, they hear a rock and roll music, middle of the night, and they go to the neighbor and. And boom, they shoot their neighbor, thinking that, you know, reliving that traumatic episode. And that's exactly what these lymphocytes do.

So they're attacking. They're attacking potentially healthy cells.

Exactly. Healthy organs and healthy cells in your brain and your joints, your joints and your. Your kidneys and whatever. They attack them because they thought abcd, they saw abcd and remind them of abcd, even though it's sex abcd. And why?

Why?

Why? Hey, this is thyroid, man. This is not abcd. It's got four X's in front four Y. Because I was trained, I saw abcd.

I shoot abcd.

Make sense? Yes. So the food sensitivity test is a deduction. So, for example, I do a food sensitivity or gluten, which is one of the most difficult to digest. In fact, we cannot digest wheat.

That's become one of those things that no matter where you go anymore, this gluten free on the menus.

So if you are not sensitive to gluten, you're lucky. I'm not. I'm lucky. Okay. But if you are sensitive gluten, you are normal. You are normal.

You're not abnormal. Okay?

Yeah. We all should be sensitive to gluten because it cannot be digested. God did not give us the enzyme to digest the wheat. We have it now.

Okay.

God gave us the enzyme to digest the wheat 2,000 years ago. But because of the mutation. Mutation? That people improved the. The seeds to make it more pasta like. Or pizza like that they can do this with. 2000 years ago, the wheat. You can't do that. It's just like rice.

We're spinning pizzas 2,000 years ago.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not sticky.

We're making bread.

Yeah, it's not sticky. It was like rice. But hey, the farming industry make it more and more sticky because it's fun. It's chewy. You know, the noodles.

And that's the gluten.

Yeah, that's the gluten. That's why it's called glue, because that's what make it gluey.

Gotcha.

Okay. Yeah, that's how the name come about. It's gluey, you know, so gluten cannot be digested. Once you have a sensitivity to that, then I can deduct. Example. Give you an example. You have a food sensitivity test. You come back with apple, banana, strawberry, you know, cantaloupe, celery. Hey, those aren't good food. How can you have sensitivity to it? Yeah. Circumstantial evidence. I'm gonna tell you, Jeff, circumstantial evidence tells me you have leaky gut. I don't need to spend that 600.

Bucks because I shouldn't be sensitive to those foods that are good for me.

Yeah, that's the food that's given to us by God. God wanted to eat that stuff. And how come you be sensitive to that?

Yeah.

Unless you have leaky gut. Okay, so it's by deduction. Then we have proof on your record. A test. Okay. Or, you know, that you have the heat gun.

So we've covered. We've covered. Now we've diagnosed what it is, how to diagnose it, how to diagnosis what the causes were.

Yes.

And now is there a treatment for it?

Yes, there's a treatment and there's a cure. Cure meaning kiss it goodbye. Okay. Cure this condition, and then the damage that it did slowly will recover. Okay. By hormones. Okay. The growth hormone, the optimum. The hormones that we talk, testosterone, the estrogen, all these repairing hormones. Okay. That athletes love to get on. Okay.

Why?

Because they injure themselves. You know, I am. I'm sympathetic to athletes using growth hormone testosterone because they injure themselves and they're entitled to that hormone treatment. You know, the best treatment available is hormone. The fastest way is Hormone. So. But anyway, that's cure of the damage that's done. We have to cure the cause first. Cause is leaky gut. Okay. So there are easy way to remember that. The three R's. Okay. There are three. I call it the three R's. One is removal of the trigger. Okay. One is replace. One is restore. Okay. Restore is the. Is making the gut fix that hole again. Okay? Okay. Remove the trigger. Is whatever it's doing it, you gotta stop.

So like that cantaloupe is an example.

Yeah. Can't take it. You just cannot touch it. Okay.

Period forever. No, no, no.

Okay. Okay. Because the antibody, the IgG, is only about years lifespan. So if you are allergic to banana and you don't touch banana, that anybody dies, that crazy soldier will die, moves on post traumatic stress, will live out its life and die.

Okay.

When he dies, there'll be no chaos.

Okay?

Okay. But you want to make sure no new ones are being formed. How do you do that while your gut is still leaking and being repaired? Don't touch it.

Have to keep it. You have to keep that out of my system.

Keep that list out of the system.

Gotcha.

Gluten. Don't touch it. Banana. Don't touch it. Strawberry. I love strawberry. Don't touch it. Whatever.

For about a year, whatever the test.

Shows, don't touch it.

Okay, really?

Meaning, don't touch it. That's the trigger. Because if you touch that, it will never be cured. Okay, so remove the triggers.

So first one is remove the triggers. After you. You've decided what it is. One of the tests.

Yes. Right.

What that is?

Yes. Okay. And if it's. You're on certain drugs and the drug has a side effect of intestinal problem like aspirin, Whatever. No, don't take aspirin. Whatever. Get rid of it. It's the trigger. So remove the trigger and then replace. Replace. Meaning take foods that are similar and that can do the same thing. Example, most doctors tell them that no gluten, no dairy, no sugar. Because leaky gut. People are sensitive to that. When they. When they eat that they can feel the difference immediately that they're tired, they're brain fogging, they are weak. Okay? And that most common is gluten daily and sugar. Now, when I replace this, I love sweets. No problem. Okay? No problem. Get fructose. Fructose is sweet, sweet sweetness produced by fruits. Okay. It's not same as glucose. You can have fructose. Fructose is not the same as glucose. And you can use truvia. Okay? And you can use stevia. Okay. Okay. Like me.

I throw a lot of stevia into my morning.

Smoothies and juices because I like sweet. And then I just replace. You replace.

What you cannot have, you.

Know, with similar kind of food. So you have those, you. You still have those, I guess, rewards, if you will. Or those where. If I took something like you said, took something sweet out of my diet, I'm going to put something back in. But it's something that now is not subjected to the ige or iggs.

Right. Okay, good.

So we want to remove and replace. What's the last r. Restore. Restore.

Restore. Meaning cure. Okay. Gotta cure this condition. Okay. Curing this congestion. Meaning that we want to make this damaged cell recover as soon as it can help it recover. Okay. So if I tell you simple English, if I tell you that, hey, our job is to swallow a chain necklace of pearls, but we only absorb one pearl at a time. What does that mean? That. What do we have to do along the way? Our intestine has to cut it, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if the moment you swallow it, boom, they are all cut up for you?

It'd be great.

It'd be great, right?

It'd be like somebody cut up my food for me.

Digestive enzyme.

Okay, so if you take digestive enzyme with your every meal or pertain hydrochloric acid, which is an acid. That's why doctors will give anti. Dumb. I'm going to say this on tv. Those doctors will give you anti acids. Dumb doctors.

So that's removing the things that help.

God give acid to kill the bacteria, kill fungus and digest. Why do you take the acid away? There's a problem, Fix the problem. Don't. Don't stop the acid.

You're just masking it.

Yeah.

And then. And then masking it. And you're also making it even worse.

Exactly. Do you. Do we want to start anything that God gave us? No. Any doctor doing that is dumb. You know.

So a lot of Tums.

Yeah. So basically you want to have the food chopped up with digestive enzyme. Betaine, basically hydrochloric acid with your every meal. Okay. Possible, if possible. So your food is all digested. Hopefully. Of course it cannot, you know, but hopefully, majority of it is digested. Then when it goes down, you do the work easier, right? Yes. If I can chop that pearl necklace into 200 pieces before it goes down to the small intestine. Don't you think I did a great job? Yes, that's it. Because down there, when the damaged cell sees it, he sees the pearl. One pearl absorbed, absorb. Easy job for it. No breakdown, no digestion there, so it heals faster.

Makes sense.

I make it really, really simple layman, pictorially, you can see. You know what I mean? And then, and then, and then next is to. Is the. Some school of thought. Some doctors say no caffeine, no, no meat. Okay. But I, I don't do that. I don't tell my patients, no cup of no meat, just less, you know, But I don't tell my patient not to take it because I have cured patients.

Letting them. Having caffeine and letting them eat their meat, but not in replacement. Of all these good things that they need to have, they must do the basic homework and then they can have their meat and the caffeine. That's my point.

So if they do the three R's they're removing, they're replacing and they're restoring. Restoring. They can go back and really have. I'm going to call a normal diet.

Eventually.

Eventually.

And the thing to do is the test.

Okay, so you would test afterwards.

Exactly.

Okay.

One year later, I'm gonna have the same question. Doc, can I. I was allergic to banana, apple and strawberry. Can I have it? No problem. Let's do a test. Yeah. And the test shows negative. Anybody? Go.

Good to go.

Good to go. Yeah. Okay.

It's that simple. Is that the. When somebody. And I know it's probably different for everybody. I mean, is there a different severity levels of leaky gut?

Absolutely.

So we can't just say, hey, you start this program in seven days, it's going to be.

So it's going to take.

I have seen some 30 food items, allergy sensitivities.

30.

And that is a tremendously leaky gut that the patient has. But I've seen them all. 30 gone to zero.

Wow.

One year.

So is it one of those things where the more food that they're sensitive to, the more severe, the more severe. Okay, good. So if only one item, then it's. Yeah, it's the least severe. But it still needs to be.

Exactly. It's simple to understand. The more leak through. That's why they're sensitive. Of course, the army saw it. The army protecting. You saw 30 foods in your blood. Yeah. In your blood. How did they get there? Yeah, it leaked through.

Not supposed to be there.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, Dr. Chen, anything. Anything else that, I mean, this is a. This is a very, I think, very, very important. And again, my first question we first started, one of my earlier questions was Is this mainstream or is this some kind of fringe thing and you're saying Harvard. Harvard stuff.

Yeah, Harvard stuff.

I mean, if it's. I think again, stop me if I'm wrong. If it's important for Harvard to get involved in it, then it's something we should be leaning in and listening to. You should probably rewind this again and listen to it and then make that. Look at yourself in the mirror and say, boy, yeah, am I sensitive to any foods? And then go have that test done and find out. And if you find yourself that you're sensitive to many foods, man, that's like a clue, isn't it?

Yes.

That's like the Fourth of July in San Francisco. You've got a lot of issues there you should probably go take care of.

I know we're running out of time. I just want to go through the items.

Please do.

To complete the treatment, the cure. Okay. And one more is the probiotics. The probiotics actually are the good bacteria, and they make the stomach and all the way down the small intestinal colon acidic. So bad bacteria cannot live again. It's a help. It's a help to have no dominance of bad bacteria when you are sick. When you have a whole. Okay, you want good bacteria, so you take probiotics. Colostrum. Okay. Colostrum is.

Especially after the perinatal problem I have. If you say, oh, my God, my mom didn't breastfeed me. Oh, my God, my mom just breastfed me two months. Then I say colostrum until. For this whole year because you have to make up that building of your intestine. I have to breastfeed you again, sir.

Ma'.

Am. Sorry, I gotta make you a baby. I'm gonna breastfeed you again.

And that's what colostrum.

Yes. Okay. That's what colostrum is.

Okay.

You know, and then vitamin D, glutamine, multiple amino acids, just to be fast. Fish oils and curcumin. And these are. These all heal the whole.

Okay, I didn't hear you. I didn't hear you say anything that comes from Merck or. No, there's no drug that you.

There is today, this moment. No drug for the higa.

Because you even said early on part of the potential reasons for this is. Could be a drug that you're taking causing it. Causing it.

Right.

So you definitely. This is. These are all natural type of like, you're just getting the gut healthy again, right? With things. As you said, that's how we were born.

Yes.

We should. We should have those things in our system.

Yes.

Any last thoughts on this? Because this is a. This is a big subject because there are, you know, as our community here in the Palm Springs area and our country continues to age, it seems like that sensitivity that we're no longer at that 98.6. We see it going one way or the other, and we hear about that every day. Somebody comes and say, well, I have this. I have this, I have this. And it would be wild if they hear this and go back and trace it back and it turns out to be leaky gut. And it helps them find their optimum health.

Yeah. That's what the program's all about. Optimum health.

Dr. Chen, this is amazing. Thank you so much.

You're welcome.

And here's what I want to challenge you with, is those of you watching, whether it's live or it's recorded, to send Dr. Chen a message and ask him or share with him your thoughts on this subject, leaky gut, or what.

The other doctors call it increased intestinal permeability.

Yeah, maybe you stay with a leaky gut. But anyway, give us some feedback, what your thoughts are. And if you have questions and you're in the Palm Springs area and you want that test done and your doctor is not doing that, or don't know.

About it, or don't know about it.

You know, can they. Can they get in touch with you, Dr. Cho?

Absolutely.

What's the easiest way is that on the screen now, Amy, the contact. So the phone numbers on the screen, but they can also go to your website, email.

Go to our website or email me.

Edmondchenahoo.Com edmondchenahoo.com well, we'll be back again next week. We'll dive into another topic. I'm not sure every week is amazing. It's more amazing than the last week. I thought last week was pretty amazing. This week is like, wow, my gut and how it affects so many things.

Can cause so many diseases. Wow.

So if you are one of those people that have one of those diseases you talked about. I mean, you talked about diabetes. You talked about. I was gonna say real estate. No, not real estate disease. Thyroid.

Any condition, actually, any condition that's being damaged that you didn't have when you were 20 years old and now you have at 40, it could be really good.

Check that out. Well, again, thank you so much, Dr. Chen. We'll see you back here again next week when we talk again about another topic that's going to affect your optimum health and get you to your optimum health. I'm Jeff Harrison.

Dr. Edmund Chen.

See you next week.