7-Minute Natural Facelift: Not Too Good to Be Tru

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Oh, thank you. I am very excited to be here, Debra, because, you know, these are my people as well as the group that just can, you know, relate to wanting to find out more about their skin. Absolutely.

And it was such a pleasure to meet you in person a few weeks ago. It seems like much longer ago now. It's how time works. But it was delightful, actually, to put that together with you. And I have to say to everybody here, they've heard me say this in the intro, that I am often given a lot of skin products to try. And right now I just had a friend leave, and she was saying, what are you using on your skin? It looks so great. And the conference you and I were at, someone— you know, most of those people, or many, don't see me other than annually. And they were like, 'You look younger every time I see you.' And it was just— I mean, we all love to get those kind of comments, I gotta say. And, and I'm such a believer. I was a skeptic. It's like, what is going to be different about, about this product? So I'm really going to start there and selfishly ask you, what is it that is so different about this product? And how is it that you stumbled across this and, and came to this I gotta get this out there.

Right, right, right. Yeah. So I love, I love to hear that feedback when people say, you know, you look so much younger. What are you doing? What are you doing differently? You look like you've had a little work done, or if you've been on vacation. So I hear that a lot. And so it's also, it's really encouraging because it's great affirmation that, you know, I, the work that I've put in is, you know, paying off. Not just for myself, of course, but for everybody else as well. So, um, yeah, so it is different, and it's different in, um, well, 3 primary ways. So the first is that I'm not just looking at the surface of the skin. So if I can talk about 2 different aspects of the— actually, even 3, 3 different aspects of the entire system. The system is made up of a skincare line, a beauty tool, and a system. So meaning a protocol is very specific. So most of the time when you are, you know, given all these different skincares and sometimes, I mean, they can be hundreds of dollars just for a little jar of, you know, anti-aging cream and that they don't pay off. And it's really, really frustrating, you know, and it kind of answering the end part of that, that's actually part of what really got me into to really developing my own skincare line was, you know, twofold. One is, is that I wanted to have something that I knew was clean because for me it's about clean eating, clean wearing, clean, you know, air, everything like that, because I know how much damage toxins do to the skin. So the other is, is what makes this different. So with the skincare itself, it is actually functional skincare. So in my practice, I use supplements, and those supplements that I use, I choose them because they are functional nutrition, meaning that it actually gives the body information to be able to start producing on it by itself what it's supposed to do. So for example, if I'm treating someone for a thyroid imbalance, I'm going to actually give them protomorphogens or gland Anglers, so I can stimulate the thyroid to work on its own. And this is the same principle that I use with the skincare, is I want functional ingredients that get the body to do what it's supposed to do, to act like a younger cell. You know, a lot of times you'll see on the market, they'll— the people say, oh, here's, you know, use this collagen on your skin. You can't really use collagen on your skin. Generally speaking, those molecules are much too big to penetrate the skin and actually you know, help your body get that collagen. We actually have to get our body to start producing collagen to have the best possible results. So that's one is the skincare itself is, is functional skincare. And I use what I refer to as like a multi-level or a multi-layer approach in making sure that I'm getting to all the different potential cellular layers to give it the nutrients that it needs. Another aspect of, of the skincare itself is also the delivery system. In the delivery system, I use what's called an oleosome technology. Oleosome technology is like a delivery system of nutrients. So much like a, you know, when we plant in the garden, we use a seed and that seed has a germ inside the seed. Well, that seed shell is designed to protect the germ so that when we put it in the soil, it actually will, you know, bloom this beautiful flower. Well, this is the same type of technology where I protect the nutrients, the minerals, the vitamins in a little shell that is delivered to the deeper layers where it can actually have some effect. The third part of the skincare is, is that I have in every single jar a little green bead, which I'm sure you've discovered by now. Yeah. And that little green bead is actually what I refer to as an energy optimized little green bead. And what that means is that I've designed that with energy or frequencies, vibrational frequencies that actually help the skin and the ingredients to repair. It also works really well with that facelift tool that we'll talk about too, that I'm, I'm sure you've been using. Religiously. Yes. Yeah. Good. Yes. Yeah. It's a— it's amazing. So that the skincare itself is one aspect. The other is let's talk about the tool, right? So that, that tool that I developed has magnets in it. It has 800 gauss magnets in it. It has manganese. And it also is a surgical-grade steel. However, the secret sauce is that I've also used what I call, you know, organized energy or organized frequencies that replicate the vibrational energy of a perfectly youthful cell. And that, that we can kind of unpack because there's a lot of information to that. But the bottom line on that is, is that our body speaks a particular language, and that language is what I— what is referred to as a biophoton language, meaning bio, body, photon, light and energy. So all of our cells have a light energy, all of our organs have a light energy. You can actually see the light energy under the right conditions. And when I developed the tool, you know, because in my practice, the energy medicine is a huge component of what I do when I treat patients. So in this developing the energy tool, this Energy Wand, this natural facelift system, is that I've imprinted with frequencies that the body understands that it can start vibrating, resonating at those same vibrational frequencies of youthful, healthy cells.

Okay, talk a little bit more. Yes, say a little bit more about energy medicine to anybody who might be still in the dark about, okay, what is energy medicine? It is, it is everything. Now. I mean, it certainly is. And I think we— this came up when we were in the hall, and I'm like, of course. And it didn't even dawn on me. And you said, you know, I— Michael Terrell and whole tones, you know. And, and first that, you know, then looking at— it wasn't even first that for me, but Power Plate vibrational energy for healing tissue, helping muscle, helping bone density. And we now have vibrational emotional energy in water, thanks to my friend at Mind Body Matrix. Talk a little bit about energy medicine to somebody who is just— this whole idea is kind of mind-blowing, right?

Right. So, um, you are right, it is very, very, uh, you know, out in the open. Energy, energy medicine is on a fundamental, on a fundamental level If you're practicing any type of a holistic practice, whether you're getting acupuncture, because by trade I'm an acupuncturist, if you're getting acupuncture, even if you're doing chiropractic adjustments, if you're doing tai chi or yoga or meditation, those are all energy and can have a medicinal component to it. Those are all energy medicine, right? But when we talk about, you know, what the body needs to be able to be healthy and healing, my theory and my principle is, is, is it's better to go with nature than against nature. And the vibrational energy of a healthy body is really the best way, the best opportunity that our body has to actually heal. So we know that You know, if we're, if we're taking a drug and we're taking a drug for a particular reason, and maybe, you know, it saves our life. I mean, I've certainly had my own history on, on surgeries and things like that saving my life. Um, you know, they serve a purpose, but we also know that because they're not in nature or natural, they have adverse effects. So when we talk about in energy medicine and the people, the patients that come into my practice, they're looking for an alternative, if you will, or a complementary medicine that's actually going to work at the underlying issues rather than just the symptoms. So energy medicine really does, you know, get to the root of the problem, start working on the, on the body to start having that energy vibrate at the healthy frequency that it needs to be to be healthy, and so that it can heal on its own. So energy medicine is now. It's definitely, like you said, it's not the future anymore.

It's now.

Yeah.

And so, so, so exciting. I love it. And I think just an easy way maybe for our listeners to say, okay, tap into it. So what's your mood right now? I mean, that is somewhere on a continuum. And if you think not left to right in this term, think in terms of low to high. You know, if you are down or depressed or you're grieving or you're hating or you're angry, you're at the bottom, right? But if you are thinking love and joy and gratitude, you're at the top, you know. And it's so— it's trying to find things and thoughts, you know, that elevate you and keep you up. And foods and activities, all the things.

I love that. I love that because it's about low vibrational and high vibrational, right? Yeah. So that's a great, great, you know, fundamental example. Excellent.

Very cool. Okay, how is it that this is restoring my fountain of youth? Because I really think that it is. And I want to tell you that for any woman out there who— I can put my hands on it right now. So just along the side— I hate to say this word because this is like one of the ugliest words— like jowls. I hate that word, but I started to notice like, oh my goodness, like, what is that? Like, I'm fit and I'm healthy and I have muscle, and still I I'm having this, how can that be? And I have noticed improvement using the wand and the system. I mean, the combination of that has been amazing, and I would have never have believed it. In fact, I told a good friend of ours, Dr. Anthony Yoon, I said, I was on your site the other day looking at that, at surgery, and I was like There's no way I could ever do that. You scared me away from it. So thank you for doing that. But, but I was like, is that my only alternative? And then I started working with you. Amazing. Why is that working? Why is that helping to get rid of it?

Right? Perfect timing, right? So, you know, let me— there, beyond the energy component, let's actually talk about, you know, possibly what surgeons don't want you to know that actually is very much the truth about why we look older, and are— and we look aged. It's not just the skin. But like you said, it's that jowl. And I can relate to you as well. I'm, you know, I got into alternative medicine, I got into acupuncture, because I was sick, I was finishing my pre-meds and ready to go to medical school and got and got really, really sick with Crohn's disease. It changed my trajectory. I definitely, you know, went towards acupuncture, holistic medicine, energy medicine. But the same thing happened to me, but a little bit younger. But at 49, I caught myself in the mirror and I went, when the heck did that happen? I had no idea that I looked so aged. But, you know, illnesses like that— illness can really, really beat us up. So what the difference is in why this works is, is, is— I'll go— let me— is because of twofold. So one is, is that as we age, we decrease our collagen production and we decrease our elastin. And, you know, our body has a harder time getting rid of toxins. Right. But what makes the difference with this particular protocol is, is that there's 3 different levels that I'm working with when we do the protocol. The first one is actually getting rid of the toxins. So, the first part of the protocol is lymphatic drainage. It's a very specific lymphatic drainage. Women who have, like, the thick neck or the heavy jowls, you know, puffy, dull skin, just, you know, puffy cheeks, a lot of times just even clearing the lymphatic drainage with this, you know, with this system, people look years younger with just that. And that's just the first part, right? The second part is, is that— and let me actually talk about how muscles work, because we're going to go into the muscle component— is, is that the muscles of the body are very different than the muscles of the face. The muscles of the body are— and you, you know this because you teach it all the time— we have opposing muscles. So, uh, to, to tighten our bicep, we have to loosen our tricep, and vice versa. To tighten our tricep, we have to loosen our bicep. So we have what's called opposing muscles and muscles that go across joints, um, that help to lengthen. Our face is not like that. Our face is muscle to muscle or bone to muscle. So there's no opposing lengthening when the muscles of our face become tighter and tighter, which is exactly what happens over time. Whether it's due to stress, emotional stressors, because we wear our stress on our face, right? We can see it, you know, you look angry, right? You look angry.

You talk to me.

Yeah. Right, right, right. So you, you know, these are the muscles of expression and they are the perpetual muscles that we use to, for example, our neck is the first area that the muscles get really tight because they're holding this bowling ball up on it all the time that's moving around. So the The muscles in the neck become contracted, and that makes our neck sag and wrinkle and get heavy lines. That muscle also wraps up over our jawline and pulls the muscles of the cheeks down, and we lose that defining jawline. The muscles around the mouth and the chin are huge. I mean, we talk about the witch's chin, the puppet's lines, you know, the lines from the nose to the mouth. All of these are from the muscles being contracted around the face and then the muscles in the forehead. The muscles in the forehead get tighter and our, and our forehead gets smaller. So the forehead getting smaller, the chin turning up, that, that witch's chin turning up, the lines that go down on the sides of our mouth and in front of our cheeks, and then the muscles in the neck getting tight. These are all underlying tissues that you're not going to help with Botox or surgery. You'll get a skin pull and a skin lift, but it's not going to lengthen the muscles that are contracted. So in the second part of the protocol, it's about lengthening and lifting, lengthening and lifting, lengthening and lifting. So I'm lengthening the muscles of the neck, lengthening the muscles around the, around the mouth, and then lifting the muscles on the cheeks, lengthening the muscles between the eyebrows and on the forehead, and lifting the muscles around the eyes. So it's a very methodical system that is the reason why you get that pop you do, you get the eyebrow lift, you get the jawline back, you get the neck, that beautiful ballerina long neck without those lines and wrinkles. So that's, that's why it's different, and that's why it works.

Wow. Okay, that was very, very helpful. But you also tuned me into some terms I did not know about. So I'm going to be staring in the mirror saying, which is chin? Which is chin? Okay. I'd never heard them.

Okay.

I don't know that I ever needed to, but I also think something in either your training video or in the booklet, I'm not sure which, said we had it all wrong. Like I'd always been taught this too, like always. And this has got to be since junior high, you know, that we were told, you know, don't put your hands on your face. You're gonna— you're pulling your skin down. Like, they tell girls to be fearful of getting old even when they're barely 12, you know. But lifting up as opposed to pulling down— where do we begin? Because I think we have had this backwards, and that was an eye-opener.

Mm-hmm. That's true. That's true. And, you know, to, to really kind of speak to that concept of like pulling your skin down. There is an enzyme called collagenase, and collagenase is an enzyme that breaks down collagen. So that's gravity, right? So the pulling down the face. So that, that is, that is kind of a real thing. But when we're talking about when, like, for the lymphatic drainage protocol, you are 100% right. I'm going down. I'm telling you to go down very, very gently so you're not dragging the skin. But going down is the, is the way to get rid of the toxins in the face in that lymphatic through that lymphatic system. And who does that? No, we don't have that pumping of like we do on our legs and our arms and our body to get our lymphatic system moving. It just builds up in the face, you know.

Yeah, yeah. And I— that has got to be one of the things I've noticed most. I mean, in addition to that little, that little jowl pocket— I can't even bring myself to say that word and own it, but I— thank you. I might have to edit that out. I told you we weren't gonna edit, but I might have to edit cut that out. We're among friends. But, um, I have noticed that I feel like I have less puffiness in my face. I just— and that is part of why I keep looking even at myself and thinking, what is it that's changed exactly about me? But I know something has. Even I am looking and saying, could it be this simple? That's really my question, is could it be this simple? Like this little 7-minute routine That's it.

Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? And yeah, it's, you know, I— you— it's true. It is that simple. But it's innovative and it is a different perspective. So, but it is that simple. It is that easy. It's just that I'm addressing things from a different perspective. And you are 100% right. We don't always know exactly when we look in the mirror. We don't always know. Well, you know, I look tired, but why do you look tired? Right. So what is it that makes us look tired? And it is those underlying tissues that are dragging our face around.

Yeah. Okay. So tell me this. So, gosh, what am I into? Maybe about week 4 or 5 of consistently using this every day. How soon do people begin to see results? Because I saw you, what, 2 weeks ago, and I told you I'm a believer. Like, sign me up. I'm, you know, not going to let this run out. But how soon do people tend to see results?

Yeah, so it's interesting because everybody is a little bit different, but for sure someone who has a lot of lymphatic, you know, toxins in their face, 10 days, they're going to see a huge difference. If you're 40 and you're right on that, you know, on that edge or even in your 30s, because, you know, when we have babies, we get our hormones change and because we get elastin and the, the we lose so much when we just give birth that we actually tend to have more sagging without even realizing it. So, but someone who's, you know, 30, 40, even 50 is going to see a huge change in those areas like the jaw, the jawline, like redefining the jawline, the relaxing between the eyebrows. If you're starting to get those lines between the eyebrows with the skincare itself, it's you know, getting more even skin tone and things like that. Now, you know, my mom, she's in her 80s, and she's been using— she's been using the system for, for, you know, probably 10 years because I was way before my time. And, you know, people are like, this is too good to be true. I don't believe it. So I was like, okay, I just have to wait for everyone else to catch up on that concept, you know. It was very frustrating. So she— I have before and after pictures of, of her where it probably was more like 3 months, you know, because she was in her— she was in her— she's in her late 80s now, right? So there's some variables. There's also people who tend to have a lot of sun exposure. You remember the days of holding out aluminum foil with baby oil? Right? Right. So that—

were you out? Were you at my house?

Right in the backyard on the lounge chair?

Chair. That was me.

Yes, understood.

And we'd put iodine in it too, because that was so good.

Yeah. Yeah, I forgot about that. Well, we got our, we got our iodine in our system. That's a good thing. So, so yeah, so the, this causes a lot of damage. And so I can definitely see if someone's going to take a little bit longer because they've got the, you know, a great loss of elastin due to that long-term sun damage that just takes time to repair. And really, I, you know, on the before and after photos, you can see things like someone's chest right around their mouth, things like that, that if you went to an esthetician, cosmetic surgeon, things like that, they would say there's no way you will get that repaired without doing laser, chemical peels, things like that. And these women did not do those. These women have taken these photos themselves before and after in just a short period of time. So yeah, like, you know, it's, it's, it's amazing, but it's possible in just 7 and a half minutes.

So the follow-up question— okay, so you just addressed like everybody's wanting immediate gratification. So what about continued improvement over time? Do you continue to see that, and is it slowing down a little bit? Or, I mean, obviously a little harder to gauge because what you're doing is kind of countering what's happening with time, right?

Yeah. So usually what I ask people to do is for the first 30 days, be consistent in doing the protocol one time per day. Make sure you're using the product in the morning and the afternoon because the product has a system itself as well to make sure that you're getting the best product penetration you can. So using this, using the skincare and using the system, the protocol itself one time per day for 30 days. And there's two things that happen. One is, is you develop, you develop habits on taking care of yourself. So that's a good thing. Yeah. But the other is you're developing cellular memory and you're— you talk, I'm sure, about muscle memory, right?

Yeah.

So this is very much the same. This is like taking your face to the gym. So, you know, you, you don't want to go 3 times a day. It's not going to work faster. You're just going to, you know, fatigue the muscles and fatigue your body. But if you go, you know, in this case, if you go daily, you're creating a muscle memory so that after 30 days, if you want to see more improvement, keep doing it daily for another 30 days. If you're where you want to be, you can start doing that what I would call preventatively. So you can do, you know, on the weekends or 2 to 3 times a week. I definitely find that people say they sleep better, they don't get headaches, they feel better when they do that, especially at night. And they, and they just really feel like it's a great self-care. For me, I'm always the, the, you know, I want to know, I want to know, like, does it work if I do this? Does it work if I do that? So I actually stopped using the wand, the protocol, for, I don't know, like 4 months or something like that. And then I did one side of my face for 3 days in a row. And I got— after even just the 3 days, I got such instant rebound that I looked— I couldn't, I couldn't just keep doing one side of my face. I had to do both. I look like a Picasso, you know, a stroke victim. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I was getting— look like I had sagging on one side and not on the other.

So good. I love this. I love that. And I love take your gym— take your face to the gym.

That's so good. Don't you think?

I'm not going to use that. Okay. Very good. Tell me something here. Okay, so you have a lot of products, but I want to make sure that everybody knows exactly what I'm using. Just so I think I have like a 5-product system plus the wand. Tell us, we haven't talked a lot about the wand, but what is the— the actual magic of the wand? And is there— I mean, would something else substitute? I mean, people are going to wonder, like, what is the magic of this thing?

Right, right. Um, so I talked about energy and I talked about frequencies and I talked about that vibrational energy. Well, there's actually very specific way. I, I'm a, I, I'm kind of a scientist in my head as far as like how I do things. It needs to be duplicatable. It needs to work more than, you know, more than if I'm doing it on myself or doing it on somebody else. It has to be, I can put it in anybody's hands, give them this, this protocol, and they can do it and get great results. So that was really important to me. I also, because I'm the science-minded, I actually have a study done by a third-party physician who I literally, you know, showed his assistant the protocol once and she trained everybody else and showed them the protocol once. And I'm sure everybody wasn't doing it perfectly. But Dr. Paglis, who performed that, that research study, that study called me halfway through and he said, I have no idea how you're getting these results. These women look like they've had mini makeovers. And he, he was like, maybe it's the magnets. Maybe it's like he didn't know. He didn't know anything about the frequencies that I was using. But the secret sauce is definitely the energy, frequent, the frequencies. So the important thing there is, is that as we age, we start losing that vibrational energy, that vibrational frequency in all of our cells. And that's kind of just like the nature of losing collagen, losing elastin, and, you know, not being able to detox as well and having the cell wall be a little bit weaker and things like that. It's an aging process that we do have some control over. And the thing about the wand and the frequencies that I've added to that, I've added the information of a healthy 25-year-old cell so that when you start using this on your face, it's— first of all, it's— I'm using what I call— what are actually called intrinsic data fields through biophoton frequencies. So what that means is that the body, you know, which I mentioned, has its own vibrational energy, which is that biophoton, bio body photon light. So what I did in creating those different energy and frequencies to build collagen, restore elastin, help the cells to detox, you know, and a lot of different repair energy frequencies. So when I imprint each one of these wands, I'm imprinting it with a— with that data field, with those formulas, and getting that information in the same language that the body speaks. So much like tuning forks. So when you bring that one, you know, like a one tuning fork, you'd bring the tuning fork and you bring another tuning fork close to it. You don't have to they don't have to touch, you don't have to ring the other one. That one tuning fork will start picking up on the vibrational energy of the one tuning fork and it'll start vibrating at the same tone or tune, toning, you know. That's very much what the wand does. You're putting it on your face with a specific protocol, you know, all of the acupuncture points that you're touching on the face are significant as well, and you're giving your, your body the information so that it can start learning to vibrate at that same frequency of younger, more youthful, healthier cells. I love it. Okay, that makes sense.

It does. I love it. Okay, but while you're talking now, I'm thinking everybody wants to know, like, like cryotherapy, they want to know where can I go dip my whole body in this? Like the crepey skin on my lower legs or my thighs and all the little things. When are you coming up with that again?

I have a stone. I have a body sculpting stone. Oh my gosh, that we haven't even talked about yet, right? Um, so I have a body sculpting stone and a body lotion, and I have specifically imprinted that with the same kind of frequencies— collagen, elastin, repair— as well as lymphatic repair. Wow. Being able to dump, you know, to be able to dump the toxins from our body, from our whole physical body, is key. And I've had people, you know, say my, you know, my, my husband said my calves are reshaping. I'm feeling my butt going back up where it's just, you know, used to be. I've used it on my belly, and I'll go, oh gosh, you know, skin folding over kind of thing. And then I'll use that and then like a week later I'll come back and go, wow, that moved. It's not even there anymore. It's really, really quite fascinating. I've used it for, you know, my, my mom who had a really bad reaction and had all this puffiness in her face and we just did lymphatic drainage. I have a patient who sprained her ankle and I was like, use this on your ankle. Because, you know, just drain it up, drain it up. So lymphatic drainage is, is huge, huge for being able to just repair the body and the skin of the body.

Oh my goodness. Okay, I see another show coming. I'm gonna have to get a stone. Oh my gosh.

Okay, I will get you one.

This is amazing. All right, well, I've got you. I want to ask you this question because I think I'm to the end of my, my need to know and share with everybody. Is there a question I should have asked you, Cathy?

Well, you did ask what, what is in the system as far as the 5-piece and the wand. Do you want me to just talk a little bit about each of the 5 products?

Let's do. Yeah, and I will, I will also try and get an image in here so everybody has an idea of what they're looking at. But yeah, I want to talk us through the process.

Yeah. Yes. So, right. So, when I was developing the system, I wanted to make sure that it was as streamlined as possible because I am not a high maintenance, you know, like, you know, a little of this for a little of that. I'm like, what's the easiest thing here? So, the primary thing and one of my biggest musts is the scrub, the exfoliator. It's a deeply purifying facial scrub. This is super, super important because it's dull skin, large pores, puffiness, and product penetration. So if we have dead skin cells sitting on the surface of the skin and we're putting this expensive, you know, if you like, like you were saying, people send you these expensive products. If you just put them on top of dead skin cells, then it's not going to do anything because you're not getting product penetration. You're only building up more debris on the surface of your skin. So that is really, really important. 2 to 3 times a week. Sometimes I'll even have people start with 3 or 4 if they've got a lot of dead skin cells built up. But that one's key. Okay. So for the, the morning, I have a day cream, and for the evening, I have a night cream. Also a serum that's a facial serum that's for eyes and face. And then the last is the daily facial cleanser. So the daily facial cleanser is morning and evening. And so just to kind of like, you know, all— there, there's a lot of benefits to each one of them, but I try to really pay attention to what we do within the day. So the day cream is a probiotic, UV protection, natural UV protection, because that's something we didn't talk about. All natural, not like FDA natural, but actually all natural, like made from the earth. I'm fastidious about that, as you can imagine. So yeah, so all, all the things in the day cream are about protecting our face from the environment. In the nighttime cream, it's all about restoring and lasting hydration throughout the night so that our body has a chance to repair. So it's like, it's a little bit heavier, not greasy, but it has that really, really rich reparative, some amazing active ingredients, which is a key part here, that there's actually active ingredients, meaning they do something. And then the serum, which is not in a cream, it's just a pure serum, pure ingredients. And it has this beautiful lifting, tightening feel to it where your face just feels like it's rejuvenated. And then the cleanser, what's in important kind of around the line itself is that, you know, some people will say, well, can I use my cleanser, your scrub, your day, my night? I actually feel like if you're going to use a system, use the whole system, because generally speaking, they should be made to work together. Like, my cleanser is hydrating cleanser. It's not stripping, but it has that same oleosome technology that I talked about earlier on delivering those nutrients in the deep hydration in the you know, and that goes throughout the entire line. I have, you know, beautiful apple stem cells that help to repair. I have, you know, all things that actually really are synergistic in, in the whole system. So that's, that's important.

So cool. Yeah, I'm, I'm actually loving it. And I was gonna comment on that earlier, so I'll throw it in now because I didn't, that, you know, although I think I think honestly I was seeing a difference within about a week or two. I felt it. The products just feel good. I felt it like right away, immediately, that there was a difference in the quality of the products.

Right. And that little green bead, you know, energy optimizes all the ingredients. I think that really makes a difference as well, as far as just how you feel when you're using it, you know.

Yeah, yeah, totally. And, and it all feeds into like, okay, it keeps feeling better, it keeps looking better, and there is no reason I wouldn't want to do this. And, and to anybody who's in a rush, you know, to get to bed at night or doesn't want another few minutes, you know, this— we say 7-minute natural facelift, but literally, I mean, now I know it by heart. You know, I can, I can go through it and yell at the dog at the same time. I've noticed I'm very, very talented. I can do this. And it's been just super fun. So I'm so glad to have you here. So I'm gonna put the link in the show notes, everybody, where you can try it for yourself. It is— they have an amazing bargain for you. I— swipe it up, please. So this 5-part system that I'm using will be at flipping50.com/trueenergy. We'll put that link in the show notes. It's just one E if you're trying to get there. So So make sure you go to the show notes, which will be at flipping50.com/naturalfacelift. Kathy, thank you again so much for being here.

Absolutely. I really appreciate being able to talk to your audience because this is, you know, this is, this, this is the audience for— absolutely, you know, for this system, because what we do today affects us tomorrow and in 5 years and in 10 years. So I'm all in.

Yeah. So, and I've been doing this about 1 year out from being the mother of the groom. So just you wait. All right, everybody. Show notes will be at Flipping50.com/NaturalFacelift. And what are you waiting for? Let's start flipping 50 today.