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Okay, you heard it here first, potentially, but you are not balanced.

Even if every time you do a squat, you do a hamstring curl.

Even if every time you do something for the right side of your body, you do something for the left. You're not balanced. Tune in today, whether or not you have an injury, or you have had an injury you don't want to have again. This is for you and for me. My guest today, Frank Jitris, is founder and president of Protonix G3 Sport, LLC, and he's the leader for Protonix G3 development project. Frank, who is co-inventor of the Protonix system with physical therapist Ron Hreska, holds several patents on exoskeleton and robotics design like Sounds major, right? Frank has over 30 years of technical and development experience in biomechanics, exoskeletons, fitness equipment, virtual environments, and robotic systems, and holds several patents in this area, including patents held by Facebook Inc. Okay, but I want you to tune in here because that bio may have just floored you to think, wait a minute, am I at the right place? Is this actually Flipping 50? It is. But if you've ever had any itis, a bursitis, a plantar fasciitis. You know where I'm going with this. Frozen shoulder. You've had low back pain. You've had a knee thing, right? This is for you, and it's for every one of us who wants to avoid it in the future. And it is based on something really kind of born out of and borrowed from physical therapy, post-rehabilitative, prehab, all all the things, and yet accessible to you.

And I'm trying it.

And if you've been watching at all me on social media, you've seen some of my experiments and experience with it and what it feels like for me. And I wanted this to be in your hands because not only for you, for you and me, but for the people who are potentially living with us, loving us, and that we love who may be in pain, who may not know why movement is not comfortable, so we can work on changing that while we still can change that. You're going to love this episode, and I welcome your questions and your comments no matter where you may be seeing this or listening to it. And if it was valuable, I hope at the end you'll share this with a friend.

I'm Debra Atkinson. You're listening to Flipping 50. I started this podcast over a decade ago to answer questions about fitness in menopause and beyond before you knew to ask them. The goal: to help accelerate your results with science and the practical application of proven protocols while living your best life. There's no more powerful health influencer in the world than a midlife woman. And it's not just about you, but the 3 generations that you influence. My unique 40-year career, including being a university senior lecturer in kinesiology, an industry subject matter expert and an international speaker to founder of the first and the only exclusively made-for-menopause and beyond fitness membership in the world. Every week I interview experts behind the scenes and the science of optimal hormone-balancing fitness and longevity and share answers to our community's questions so you can have the vitality and the energy that you want, need, and deserve.

Frank, thank you, by the way, so much for joining us here today and, and in a different setting than everybody's used to seeing, but there's a reason for this. So welcome. Thanks for being here.

Appreciate it.

And you're legal to be here. We should let everybody know that, that you officially are flipping 50, and they always like to know that.

That's just a little bit above that. I won't go into the whole—

you're overqualified, is that what you're saying?

Yeah, that's right.

Okay, so let's talk about this in Protonix. So I'm so glad, actually, we've got the bag sitting there so everybody can kind of read what is that and, and identify with it. But first of all, let's break down the word. Um, what is protonics?

Well, protonics, we really, the word was kind of developed by myself and Ron Ruska, physical therapist I developed this with, uh, kind of as like a programmed isotonics because it's really like isotonics, isokinetics, isometrics. And this is really a different way of applying a resistance that could be applied throughout the range of motion, but there's no weights or there's no rubber bands or something to cause a subsequent contraction of other muscles, which is really the problem we really see when people start ending up right dominant, the problem that we're trying to solve with this device.

And I want to tap into that. So most people or many people become right dominant. And I think anybody here who is left-handed is going to say, but what about me?

What about us?

Is that true for me too?

That's right. Well, really, yeah. And that is kind of a misnomer as far as left versus right-handed. Are you right dominant or not?

Yeah.

Right dominant in our mind and how it really works in fitness and in the medical side is really using the right side more than the left side. You become unbalanced as far as more to the to the right side, going through the right side. You start to have indications related to that. For instance, bursitis or knee bursitis, or basically overuse of the right side that could cause pain as far as that's concerned, up and down the right side. Because you're unbalanced because of what's going on on the left side. And, and that's really the gist of everything. And, and we can kind of get into that some more if you'd like now or down the road.

Well, and I want to do a little call to action for anybody who's listening. So we know, and, and Frank, this is— I'm sure you're no stranger to this, but this is kind of another layer for the audience here. The decline in estrogen in women, you know, it's starting at 40, really, on average, some sooner, some a little bit later. It becomes more noticeable, but it increases the risk of injury rate. To connective tissue. So you're talking hip bursitis. They're like, yep, yep, uh-huh, and frozen shoulder and plantar fasciitis. And, you know, so it goes on and on. And so I would love for anybody though listening, if you're seeing this post, you're seeing it on a Facebook post or an Instagram, reach out to me because I am super curious to hear from you. Is it on your right side? Where is it? So I would love to hear from you afterwards. So call to action for all of you. Frank, how did you get into this?

First of all, I was afraid you're going to bring that up. Well, really, in the past, I had an injury when I was, when I was younger with my, with my hand and stuff as far as a hunting injury that I didn't do on purpose. But long and short of it is, is I was, I was recovering from this injury and after I recovered, I realized that the spring-loaded device that I was using to recover really wasn't appropriate after surgery and stuff. So I actually had created a new device that had kind of a resistance that you could control the resistance, but it wasn't spring-loaded. So when I squeezed it, there's nothing trying to throw that back and stuff. So you could stop anywhere through that. And that's where I just figured, you know, I was going to sell 1,000 of these hand— these hand devices as far as hand grippers and stuff. And, and when I really got together with the therapist, Ron Hruska, you know, he really saw a greater purpose for this type of resistance. And it was really taking those devices and say, hey, take 2 of these, put them on a system where you can get that on your left side. And for the first time, we can really control the activation of the hamstring muscles, the muscles right behind the leg, and the hip flexors in the front. And in his mind, and, and he was correct, it's really what controls the position of the pelvis left versus right, forward versus back. And this is kind of the key to, to how everything evolved and how Protonix works in the first place. We needed this type of resistance to really isolate the hamstrings. We can't do it with weights. We can't do it with rubber bands. Because it causes a subsequent contraction of the hip flexor muscles that we're trying to avoid. And that's what really controls everything from the tilt of the pelvis and symmetry left versus right and balance left versus right through the body.

And so Ron being the physical therapist, but you have worked with him so long and I spent just a little bit of time with you yesterday. I mean, I would say You have gone to PT school in a different way than many do, right? So, but I think we probably can't say this too much, so I really want to come back in and relay this to everybody listening. The problem with common exercises, where, where even the ones that I'm giving you, all of you in your programs, your membership every hamstring exercise that you're doing, you are causing an activation of other muscles too. We aren't truly isolating it, even though this is the major muscle group we're focusing and targeting here. Other muscles come out and play, so then we don't really get what we need if the hamstrings is the weak muscle. Talk a little bit about, you know, knee issues that happen and why they happen most often.

Okay, so what we really have discovered is it is the hamstrings versus the hip flexors. So basically, you've got the hip flexors here in the front, you've got the hamstrings in the back, and that's really controlling the tilt of this pelvis. And it controls it really on both sides. But the real issue is the left side. And that's because the way the organs are placed within the body really prevents this right side to tilt more than the left side. The left side is really always tilted more than the right. And when the left side starts to tilt, a number of things start to happen. The femur below that starts to rotate inward in relation to the, the knee or the patella or the kneecap, which appears to move out, but in relation, it's the femur that is rotated underneath that, which can cause knee pain. And that was really where we first started because obviously it looks like a knee brace, but it's really not a knee brace. We'll go into that and stuff. But it, it's basically trying to activate the hamstrings versus the hip flexors and control that position. A few other things that really occur is when that pelvis is tilted forward, you have a hyperextended hamstring curled around that. And people are trying to stretch this hamstring that is hyperextended, and that's where you can actually tear the hamstring. Or if it's hyperextended and you turn wrong, you can tear that. So you have a hyperextended hamstring that is at its weakest point and able to be torn. And you have short and tonic hip flexors in the front that are just always activated. So, the problem really comes where when people are starting to exercise or they're just walking or they're playing tennis or they're working out, almost all this activity activates these hip flexors. And, you know, if you're, if you're standing here and go like this, you don't even feel these muscles. I guarantee if you put your knee back here and go like this, you'll feel something called the hamstring, which is really controlling the position of this pelvis itself. And so when you go out and you start working out, it's like, okay, I'm starting to work out. I'm starting to get this tilt. What's, what's necessarily the problem with this? The problem is the left tilts more than the right. The left is the key to everything in the body. As the left starts to tilt and everything rotates up and down, you even get the spine rotating on L4 and L5 to the left. So you start to get pain up the spine if this is serious. You start to get pain in the hip as this tilts. You start to get pain all the way down into the knee. And this left side becomes what we really call dysfunctional. The right side becomes the overuse side. So what happens with most people is the right side will counter. The pelvis can even go posterior, or at least it's posterior in relation to the left pelvis. And then everything rotates in a different manner through the right side, and you start to really push through the right side all the time. So you get more of a nagging pain on the right side. You could have a sharp pain on the left side. These same things are what cause someone not to perform as well.

Mm-hmm.

If you have a hyperextended hamstring and you have short tonic hip flexors, you know, that's, they are not at their optimum position to perform best. If you have rotated bones, you turn the wrong way, something could possibly, you know, snap at that point and stuff.

Yeah, and I want to say this again, and I know I'm asking you to repeat yourself, but I think for a listener, you, you may not identify with this, but you have— you're already in potentially, if your pelvis is rotated in an on non-ideal way, you're at that hyperextension in the hamstrings. You're there, you're there, and you may not realize it. So that's the challenge, is when we know we have a problem, that's a different situation. But most of the time we're causing these things, we're responsible for them because we don't know what we're doing. It's very unintentional. And so there's two layers here, really. You know, first of all, you're bringing this new education and light to what, what is our status, and then you've got the solution for it. So in part, you're probably like this. This is almost like back 20 or 30, 40 years when we had to educate people that you do need to exercise. This isn't for celebrities. We all need this. So there's a layer of, I think, probably women in their 50s, 60s, and 70s. We are far more open to it because we get it. Like we keep getting hurt, we can't figure out why. We are more fit. What's going on? This, this is going on. Share that. Will you hold it up? Because you are so right, it looks like a knee brace, you know. And, and somebody's had, you know, MCL surgery or ACL surgery at one point, and they're like, oh, I've seen one of those. But you haven't. So yeah, describe it or show it. Yes.

First of all, it doesn't sound like it. You know, we have in reverse, you do not have any resistance. In the forward direction, we have a program resistance that we've developed over many years that creates a certain resistance to movement at certain points through the range of motion, which are key to making this work correctly. This resistance because you can only activate the hamstrings or the hip flexors at once because of reciprocal inhibition. It's either one or the other. And at first they're just trying to fight against each other and usually the hip flexors are winning. This is a situation where it's totally making the hamstring activate, but there's nothing that creates a subsequent activation of the hip flexors itself. So, when we practice gait or walking with it after repositioning with the device, we can reinforce the proper activation of the hamstring. So, you know, how we get into doing the device, and I know we tried that on you yesterday.

Yeah.

Debra, and you can kind of go into that a little bit and stuff, but the key is we really just got to do 3 simple exercises. You can get by with 2 of them. Just to reposition takes less than 5 minutes.

Yeah.

To isolate the hamstring and reposition yourself in terms of that brings your body back into a balanced state. Then you walk with it usually 3 to 5 minutes at either on a floor or on a treadmill. You can go up to an hour with it, but you're trying to walk correctly, rolling through your toes. And we have a certain resistance that will activate right at toe roll-off. It won't impede the gait, but it will prevent the hip flexors from activating. So when you take this device off, you still have that neuromuscular activation, the correct activation to keep yourself in a balanced state. And that's the key, is to be in a balanced state, to be not right-side dominant. And that's kind of the key that I think everyone's heard that word, but it's like, okay, what does it really mean? Well, they could kill you. I mean, that's where you could end up if you really don't address this situation. At first, it just might mean, hey, let's perform better. Let's be in a balanced state. Let's warm up with the device, take it off, go through your activity. You might cool down with the device. But beyond that, you know, it really prevents the more serious situation from occurring because as this starts occurring, you lock yourself into this pattern by doing all the things you want to do to keep yourself in shape, but you're actually not balanced, and you're building the muscles to hold you in that unbalanced position. You're really gearing yourself to when you get older and older, you don't want to be unbalanced. You don't want to tip over.

Right. And that's exactly the beginning of the end. You and I talked about this a little bit yesterday, that in a much more, I think, easily identifiable way that I've always told our participants and our members that, you know, we really need to look at if you're limping, you're compensating, you know, and we put a balanced program on an already imbalanced or asymmetrical body, you know, what we're doing is causing greater and greater asymmetry. So we can, we, we can cause our own problem. But you're really talking about like a different layer of this and really down deep. But this is where, you know, over time and as we get older, you know, if it's, if it's one thing to change right now when you're 50 or when you're 60, while you're, you're active and thriving and you're able to move around in the way you want to, it's going to be a different thing altogether to be in this status or a different, worse status at 80. Your mind is not as pliable and plastic.

That's right. Yeah. And I think you got a good point there, Debra, as far as really trying to get ahead of this before you get to that point. I mean, we have helped many people with this device because it really started in the medical side, you know, more than 10 years ago., and it would have to have a prescription to use it and stuff. And we really needed to get this as a training device, a non-prescript device. Mm-hmm. That people can really become balanced prior to having the real serious injuries. Mm-hmm. And understand that really everything they're doing right now in life is trying to take them out of this balanced position. Mm-hmm. So to be able to warm up with something like this, cool down with it, ensure that you're in a balanced position. All through life, yeah, that's going to prevent a lot more serious issues down the road.

I want you to come back. So you're saying, you know, like we're training neurally. So neural, by the way, everybody, the brain, right? So when you put this on, what are you training? If you had to say, I've got a gun to your head, not to your hand, but to your head, I've got a gun to your head. Are you training your brain more? Are we training the hamstrings more? Or are they synonymous?

You're training the brain to activate the hamstring. Yeah. So what's really going on when you start to lose this and you get out of this pattern is as this tilts forward and stuff, the hamstring is not activating through the brain. What starts to activate more is the hip flexors. And you start to get into this more swing gait position, if you will, like, okay, let me go through this. Let me, let me move through the motion more using my hip flexors versus the hamstring. And a good example of this was the isolation of the hamstrings and people like yourself that, you know, whether you're doing 100 pounds on a hamstring machine or whatever, when we can put 5 pounds of force and almost cramp you up, that's a situation where, okay, we have really never taken this away from that. And if you can't take the hamstrings away from the hip flexors that's pulling everything forward, everything you do is going to continue to rotate. Now, it's the same reason your people continue to go back to the chiropractor. I mean, they understand that we want to get you into an alignment. But if the muscles during function are naturally taking you out of that position and you've got nothing to bring you back into it, You know, that, that's why you're going to end up continually, you know, getting realigned and stuff down the road.

So good. And just to give everybody just an idea of some— in my short time, it was a little longer in my time with Frank yesterday because he was introducing me to it, teaching me how to put it on, put it off. But I did it, I did it myself this morning. And I did it purposely before I walked the dog briefly, and then I went for an hour walk by myself. And and, uh, they had to jump right into something else afterward, or I thought about putting it on, but I, I'm not walking with compensation or with a limp visibly, so there's nothing wrong, and I wasn't complaining about anything. However, when I put that on and then used it, did the exercises, and took it off, I felt completely different. Walking to me, both yesterday and today. So yesterday I'd walked before the SoftRang. Today I walked after using it, felt completely different. And, you know, I can't even put my finger on what felt different, but I've got a greater awareness of, you know, pushing off through my toe, trying to activate the hamstrings and, and of movement in my shoulders. I realize I'm holding still, so I'm not even activating my glutes. Subconsciously I was holding my upper body still and tight, more rigid than relaxed and swinging. So you called my attention to a lot of things. And I just say that to say, you guys, January 1 makes 41 years of me doing this, not as a hobby, like regularly. So, you know, we can all still learn something, not only one period, but about our own bodies because we live in here. We just think we, we're home and things could potentially feel different. You don't know how good you could feel. That's what I want you to grasp. Will you talk a little bit about the research that's been done so far? Any plans for like, who else do you want to study? Because I have women out here who put their hands up probably.

You bet. We'd love to have them. We, you know, at first we've done plenty of controlled studies in the past. And at first, once again, from the medical side, it was more related to knee pain. And the device looked like a knee device. It was actually one of our Achilles heels. That's what it looked like. And then it did take care of knee pain. But the reality is it's able to isolate the muscles basically to control the right position as far as that. So a lot of the studies we did were, okay, could it relieve pain versus something that didn't? And we had great, great response for knee pain studies, for back pain studies. We did some hip bursitis studies. All those were great as far as that's concerned. And they're on our website. Everyone can check it out at protonix.com. We are now obviously getting into much more controlled studies just in the performance part because we do know everyone is starting biomechanically not balanced. And we did do some preliminary studies at Iowa State more than 5 years ago.

Go Cyclones.

Yes. Yeah, that's right. Your favorite college.

This was purely coincidence, by the way.

It was. It was coincidence, but we put We put it on 5 of the swimmers and all 5 of them broke personal records. One broke the record for the butterfly, butterfly for the, for the school itself. And that's because they started biomechanically correct prior to doing their activity. So now we are going to be studying some more collegiate and pro athletes as far as that's concerned and doing some more controlled studies. Uh, we obviously feel, um, almost everyone is not exactly biomechanically correct or slightly or more than slightly right side balanced. We know if we can bring people into balance, uh, they are going to be stronger, faster, more agile, less chance for injury. Um, so I think we'll be able to show that too. And so we're kind of hitting it from both sides. I mean, the key is we really want to get to these people. Before they are in a lot of pain. You know, we want people to understand that if you're balanced and you can stay balanced while you're working out, you can avoid a lot of these issues down the road when you get older. Not that, not that you and I are there or anything, but we are above 50.

We're just 30 with a lot of experience.

Yes, that's right.

Exactly. Yeah. And to everybody listening, I, you know, if this was the first time you You heard it here first. You are not balanced, girlfriend. I'm so sorry. I want to, I want to come back to the swimmers at Iowa State or the study, at least how long, how long was that study? How long had they used it? And just, we're all a little geeky about protocols. Did they use it every single day for 7 days a week or what was that like?

And that's why we're really going to get into some more controlled studies on just the performance. All these swimmers that actually started out from an injury and had an injury they were recovering from really the year before. So they were not only into a rehab program, but a training program on top of that. And then with protonics kind of sprinkled in on top of that with this. So they were using protonics as, as you would or whatever from a standpoint of Okay, with my rehab, let's make sure on a daily basis I am positioned correctly. And they would use it a little bit more as far as, you know, within 30 minutes or so of the activity that they were going to do, you know, to ensure that they were really at their peak balance level prior to whatever that activity was, whether it be swimming or working out.

So that else That's pretty amazing. So we're taking— so yes, you know, everybody could be saying, well, that's a college athlete, that's not me. But think about what, what we just said. This was— this is a broken, injured collegiate athlete going from— they're not swimming, period, they're not doing their sport— to breaking records. Yeah. That's, that's, that's a lot of things. That's, that's also a head game. But that's, that's a lot of physical.

With you and I, it's more like, I mean, I want to play tennis. I know a lot of people want to play pickleball and stuff. I want to keep balance and stuff. It gets much more dangerous. I definitely don't want to fall over now, 5 years from now, 10 years from now. And I'm starting to do things like pickleball and a lot of people are and other things. Our age want to go out and do those things, want to ski and whatever. The more balanced you are, the better you are as far as that's concerned.

So, and so much into that point, you know, I, I will say pickleball has become like an addiction. So many people are playing every day. But, you know, it's those things like skiing and tennis. I mean, you may play a couple of times a week, but that's a little different than, you know, if you've got some elite swimmer there. Number one, they're not as likely to get hurt. Maybe overuse of the shoulder, but they're in the water. But yet they're in the water every single day doing that repetitively. And if you were doing something every day, you would probably be a little less likely to be injured. I mean, per the frequency that you're doing it, unlike downhill skiing, you know, you're doing it twice a year or whatever.

Yeah, that is correct. You know, and on the flip side of things, if you're working out and you're really an athlete and you're doing this all the time, you're also building muscles that reinforce whatever position you are in. So if you are not in a symmetrical position, obviously you can— it can be tougher. You know, in some respects, this should probably be on the sideline of every sport. Yeah. Because it isn't that you should keep your muscles warm by getting on a treadmill or a bike or whatever. But you need to be balanced at the same time, you know, sort of be balanced and then to build the muscles on top of that to reinforce that. I think that's the key to longevity and, and us being able to continue to do things when we're flipping 100.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, I gotta add another zero there. Okay. And I am going for triple digits. So we got to start Thinking about it now. So you mentioned earlier that this was at one point only available by prescription, which has got to be— I mean, that's so limiting. That's few and far between. And then that just says that's our whole sick care system. You have to be really bad before, before you can get any help, you know, not to get worse, to get better. So how available are they? Now? I mean, can anybody listening get their hands on them?

Not, not only that, anyone can get their hands on them. And from any influencer like yourself, they can use an influencer code and basically get $100 off basically by going to protonix.com. In addition, you use an influencer code, then you will also get a 30-day money-back guarantee. We guarantee this will work. It'll do what say it will do as far as the activation of the muscles. And if it doesn't, for sure, we'll give you your money back on it and stuff.

So, yep. You know, and the one thing that to everybody listening, you hear me say this, and then I'm going to say it again today. So there's no more powerful health influencer in the world than a midlife woman. I mean, we look at, you know, 3 generations, but right within your own households, You know, if not just you, you know, younger kids, you know, activating hamstrings in younger kids. I mean, could we prevent more high school athletes from getting injured in the first place, you know, and or make it more readily available to them to go on and play in college, which is so many other dreams, you know. But it's also that very often we live in a household with somebody who maybe isn't as functional as you. Either because they didn't choose that, that lifestyle and all those changes. But they certainly are not wanting to choose pain, you know, and that may be the first time we get motivated. But, you know, so if I buy this, Frank, can I wear it? And then can somebody else in my household who is not 5'4" also use it?

They could.

Okay. Okay.

But we— it is, you know, technically the ones that we are putting out right now were developed for the person to initially adjust it for themselves. Okay. They can be adjusted for someone else as far as that. So this size could really fit anyone from a large football player to, to a smaller person as far as that's concerned. Okay. And yeah, once again, they can be adjusted. We, we would advise if you really have other people in there, you might just want one for yourself because you will be or should be using it, you know, at least on probably an every other day basis. If you're going to be active.

So good. And Frank, are you, are you guys on social? Are you talking about your product and exercises on social?

Okay. We are. We're getting out there more and we are on Instagram. We are on Facebook. Okay. As far as that, and we are on YouTube and stuff. And you'll start to see more of that on, on the social networks and stuff. So just look for Protonix, protonix.com and and, you know, hopefully we can help you out too.

Awesome. Great. So everybody, we've got the links in the show notes. You'll learn more details about that $100 off and the 30-day guarantee. And, you know, I got to say, that's— I think that speaks volumes into any product, you know, that, you know, they're willing to stand behind it and we want you to use it every day. 30 30 days. So number one, that is so sneaky smart because I see what you're doing there. Because if they use it every day so that they can guarantee they get a refund if they want one, they're actually going to be getting themselves results, so they won't want one. It's so smart.

You know, the thing is, we know it works. Yeah, obviously you got to do everything correctly to isolate the hamstrings, but the instructions are there, and if you do that, you're you're going to be successful. So, we're excited to get it out on the market.

So good. Congratulations, by the way. So, this has been like a baby for you, I'm sure. And then to see it come into— to more than anything, to see it help so many people has got to be really rewarding.

Well, I appreciate you having me, Debra, and look forward to getting with you down the road again.

Thank you so much. All right, everybody, can't wait to hear your thoughts. Share your questions if you're seeing this wherever you're seeing it posted. And if this was helpful for you and inevitably you know somebody, we all do, who needs some extra help, please share this episode with them.

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