How Much Magnesium - The Missing Link to Total Health

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It's no secret here that magnesium is a key micronutrient for so many functions in the body. We've talked about it many times. If you're a part of any of our programs, you know that the inaugural 28-day kickstart where so many of us met talks a lot about the importance of magnesium in helping you get the fitness results that you actually want. But how much magnesium do you need? How do you know if you're insufficient or deficient? And where do you begin supplementing to find out your unique need? My guest today, Dr. Carolyn Dean, is going to answer all of those questions and oh so much more. Dr. Carolyn Dean Debra Atkinson is a medical doctor and a naturopath and bestselling author. She has spent more than 50 years committed to applying the science of medicine and the gifts of nature to help people feel better, find more energy, and take control of their personal health. You'll hear me ask a lot of questions, starting with, how old are you? And there's a reason why. Hey, this is Debra Atkinson, and there is one thing you can't do in the gym at your age, and that's get all the protein that you need. You've got to do that in the kitchen. To make it easy for myself, not only to get the protein but the fiber, the fruits and vegetables I want daily, I started drinking a smoothie a day 30 years ago. But when I realized all the junk, the sugar, and the extras that you don't want, that I don't want, hiding in most protein powders, that's when I finally caved in after years of saying I will never, ever, ever sell supplements. Stop skipping, skimping, and sabotaging yourself in the morning after workouts by always being prepared. Look, yep, I agree, real food first. But it's just not convenient to carry a turkey sandwich. Sometimes the protein— and don't forget the fiber— they kill cravings and they boost satiety. And you've got to make it easy to do the right thing. You can use code PODCAST for 10% off your first order at Flipping50.com today. I'm Debra Atkinson. You're listening to Flipping 50. I started this podcast over a decade ago to answer questions about fitness in menopause and beyond before you knew to ask them. The goal to to help accelerate your results with science and the practical application of proven protocols while living your best life. There's no more powerful health influencer in the world than a midlife woman, and it's not just about you but the 3 generations that you influence. My unique 40-year career, including being a university senior lecturer in kinesiology, an industry subject matter expert, and an international speaker, to founder of the first and the only exclusively made-for-menopause and beyond fitness membership in the world. Every week I interview experts behind the scenes and the science of optimal hormone balancing, fitness, and longevity, and share answers to our community's questions so you can have the vitality and the energy that you want, need, and deserve. Dr. Carolyn Dean, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you so much, Debra. I just think it's so important folks like you, podcasts like you have, getting the word out there to people to take care of their health and take responsibility for their health. So that's what we're talking about.

And, you know, I think in all fairness, I didn't ask you if I could ask this, but I'm going to do it anyway. My mother would say, you shouldn't do that. But I think you need to tell. Yes, please. How old are you?

I'm 75 next week. I'm a quadruple Pisces. I mean, that's even more crazy. Quadruple Pisces. How does she survive in this world? But I have Sagittarius rising, so I am a true blue arrow of wisdom and intelligence. How's that?

That is fantastic. And I think we're also going to come back to talking about physical fitness activity, healing and resilience. But one of the things we're looking at your book cover and We really, in this audience, we talk significantly about the importance of magnesium for two, two of the biggest reasons. Actually, there's a third that's, that lingers there, and those are, you know, looking at rest and recovery, looking at the ability to sleep regularly, and then for some women, headaches or migraines. And yet there's so many more things and magic that magnesium does for us. But unpacking all of the ways that we could choose magnesium if we went to our local pharmacy and said, okay, what do I want? It's one thing to go in knowing you want magnesium. It's another to know which one do I want or which one don't I. So we'll get to that. But before that, we want to— we like the dirt here. We like the dirt on our guests. So tell us a little bit about you and your background and First of all, I think we should mention you are in lovely Maui and everyone here just about is jealous.

It's beautiful, but Maui, we had a very tragic thing happen 5 months ago. Lahaina burnt down. There is no recovery from that. I support a biodynamic organic farm and the next day, even though we suffered like $50,000 worth of wind damage. The next day we had our trucks packed and took thousands of pounds of food over to the soup kitchens that popped up overnight. We were there. The aloha spirit in Maui is alive and well. But it's tragic. As I said, these people will never recover their homes, but we keep hope alive. And with the farm, we're offering workers to come and give them accommodations. They'll help on the farm. They'll be able to learn. We also have a farm store. One of my many lives, I volunteer at the store one morning a week and at a farm market one morning a week. And that's my social life.

How wonderful and how tragic. I think so many can relate and having been on the other side of things, right? Probably having been a guest. You know, and not actually living there. It's— it touches everybody somehow in their lives. So let's look at this and let's look at what are 12 reasons. And I know you could probably give us many, many more than that. Magnesium is foundational. It's something that all women want to look at. And I'd love for you to unpack too whether you'd like to see women do testing on sufficiency of magnesium, but what does it do for us? Why do we really want it?

Magnesium is necessary for 80% of known metabolic functions. 80%. Mm-hmm. It affects all the muscles and all the nerves in the body. What it does is it opens up the cell mineral ion channel to allow an ion of calcium actually to go in and do its function. Yeah. Nerve action potential or its muscle action. And then magnesium opens the cell back up and pulls out the calcium. So it's, it's constant push pull. And if you don't have enough magnesium, then the cells will fill up with calcium and they'll just kind of activate themselves to death. So that's your muscle twitches and your spasms, your heart palpitations, because the heart is one big muscle. We've got 600 muscles in the body. So 600 muscles can be spasming and tightening and being painful. We've got 45 miles of nerves. And any one of those, you know, inches or centimeters of nerves can be tingling and burning and painful. And because doctors don't know about magnesium deficiency symptoms, they misdiagnose and then mistreat with drugs. And those drugs cause more magnesium deficiency. And like you said, the headaches, I mean, the headache can be the spasms of the, the muscles are on the scalp or the, these little cerebral arteries can spasm. And that's sort of more of a migraine. You can have. Heartburn, GERD, where the diaphragmatic muscles are in spasm and they push the stomach up and you have this burping and heartburn. You can have the leg cramps, restless legs. Mm-hmm. You can have even choking on a vitamin pill, which I always thought would be the worst way to go. People whose esophageal muscles go into spasm. So it's every muscle and every nerve. And then you look at about 80% of the enzymatic processes in the body. So you get the enzymes that are making ATP energy molecules in the Krebs cycle. So ATP is known as ATP-MG because you have to have magnesium attached. You go to your doctor, oh, I'm tired. I'm not sleeping. You know, my muscles are tight. Oh, well then you must be depressed, dear. Let me give you a drug. And so I don't know if I've done 12, but 600 muscles. I mean, just think about 80% of known metabolic functions. So it's not just about magnesium. It's about your whole body needing this building block. I took a big trip. And I slammed down on the concrete in our farm store, just, you know, obliterated all the blood vessels around my elbow and my left knee. Did not break a thing. So my high intake of magnesium and my vitamin C. So let's look at that. Vitamin C makes collagen and magnesium helps the production of collagen and elastin. If your bones are brittle like a piece of chalk because you're just taking calcium, they will shatter. But if you have enough magnesium and vitamin C and vitamin D and the omega-3, I, I use omega-3 algae, not, I don't want to decimate the krill population and do fish omega-3. So if you have your building block nutrients, your bones will be strong. So we have to have a body that's resilient enough that if we, you know, heaven forbid, get sick or have an injury, then we can recover. And we don't listen to that nattering in the back of our mind or the nattering of a doctor in front of us saying, well, now you're going to have some problems. You know, you're going to have that arthritis coming in there. And it just does not have to be.

Very well said. I love that. And I think, you know, I— we can just totally be transparent. So you and I in the green room agreed, you know, there comes a time when we don't— we haven't said to people, you're gonna slow down, you're gonna miss, you're gonna get ill, you're gonna fall, and there will be a time you can't move or exercise, where we know you're at a loss of muscle. You know, if we're not moving muscle, we're losing muscle. We also agreed, I think, that maybe we need to scare people because with the statistic is only 20% of women are lifting weights 2 or more times a week.

Wow.

It's staggering.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and it's so easy too, Debra, isn't it? On my walk, I walk with one 3-pound weight and, you know, I transfer back and forth and I've got, you know, I built up some good muscle, but I certainly lost it in the, you know, 2.5, 3 weeks I've been down. I mean, this one's in good shape and this one's flabby. When the astronauts went up in space, they lost bone and muscle because they weren't exercising and without gravity, they didn't even have gravity, you know, weighing down on their muscles and bones. So yeah, it's crucial. I mean, yeah. Even back 50 years, if you went to a farm, everybody's working and lifting and walking around, and that was giving them their exercise. Now we're just sitting at our computers and I suffer from, you know, computer muscle strain, neck muscles, your back will, you know, get kind of grungy. So we have to pay attention. That's why you're so important. What you do.

Well, and I think at this point we all are so important. I mean, every midlife woman influences really 3 generations, and some in more cases more generations than that. But it's not just about us, you know, it's not just about a lack of motivation or it's hard or you're putting it off, but it's, you know, we're leaving a legacy. Like it or not, we're leaving one, you know, and it's gonna affect other people as well. I wanna come back to, you know, you alluded to a lot of reasons why and functions of magnesium, but in there you also hinted how we might tell or hints that we might have we're low in magnesium. What is the way to actually say I'm low enough and I need magnesium? Where does a person start? With knowing how much do I take? And if in fact I am low, how do I determine how low is low?

Yeah, it's all perfect questions because of the way we've been brought up in medicine. The doctor gives us our dosage, you know, we never figure it out. But with magnesium, there is no reliable, accurate blood test that's readily available. The serum magnesium blood test tests for 1% of the total body magnesium in the whole body. Only 1% is in the blood. So you're putting your dipstick in that and oh, lo and behold, it's this little narrow range that the doctors have figured out. Oh, it's always in that range. Oh my goodness. So they get to the point where they don't even test for magnesium on an electrolyte panel. Where the heart needs magnesium for the activity in the muscle cells to occur. You need magnesium. So they're just testing for calcium and sodium and chloride and potassium, and they leave out magnesium. What did I say at the outset? 80% of known metabolic functions require magnesium and up to 1,000 enzyme systems. I didn't put that fact out there. I have scientific references for 600 to 800 enzyme systems But if you take 80% of known enzyme systems, you do come out with about 1,000. That's huge. So doctors have ignored it because the blood test is not accurate. Some of the university studies that my company is doing is using the ionized magnesium blood test to test for the ions of magnesium, which is the type Or the substance of magnesium that we require, the form of magnesium we require in the cell is an ion. It's not a magnesium compound. And I know you want to get to that too. The magnesium compounds, they'll have magnesium plus citrate, plus lactate, plus glycinate, plus threonate. People say, well, which one should I choose? If you're magnesium deficient, you want magnesium. You don't want all this other stuff. And if you look at the elemental amount of magnesium in a magnesium compound, usually it's like 1/10 of the total amount. When you look at this magnesium L-threonate business, they say, oh, you know, it's the best thing for the brain. And the study showed that in rats, There was a 7% better absorption into the cerebral spinal fluid of 3 and L magnesium L-threonate compared to magnesium citrate. On a 7% difference, they created this whole myth that it's the only one that gets into the brain. Magnesium gets into the brain when it's an ion. When you take a You put a compound in a liquid and that liquid can be blood. The compound will dissociate for an infinitesimal amount of time and then it'll bind right back up or bind to something else. In that infinitesimal dissociation time, you have an ion of magnesium and that gets into a cell. So that's what we're dealing with. Causing magnesium to be burnt up? Stress. Where are we in this world? We all have PTSD. We're all dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder with all that's coming at us. If we eat an ordinary diet, we're not getting enough magnesium. 100 years ago, the U.S. Department of Agriculture presumably said we were getting 500 milligrams of magnesium in a diet. Now we're lucky to get 200, and I think we need 600. Hmm. The RDA is 350 to 450. Mm-hmm. So we, I say we all need magnesium. If when you take too much for your cells or your body, or for whatever reason, you will get the laxative effect. So I consider it very safe to experiment with magnesium and see how you feel. Any magnesium you take will make you feel better because you need it so much. Even magnesium oxide, which is only 4% absorbed, it's a great laxative. It will make you feel better. We give, give and give and give and give all this calcium to women and we fortify foods with calcium. We're calcifying women. We've increased the heart disease risk in women By overcalcifying them, the breast tissue calcifications, DCIS, the pre, pre, pre, pre-cancer that totally scares your, scares you when your doctor says, well, you know, we found some calcification, it could be related to cancer. No, it's probably related to your calcium supplement.

Women in my community are told by their physicians that they don't want them taking more than X, or they'll Google, which is never a good thing, but they will seek out information and find that you should not be taking more than this dosage as if there's an upper level and it's universal. What are your comments on that? Why would a physician say, don't, don't take more than this?

They're going by the RDAs and maybe experience too, Debra, you know, because of If you've read anything about magnesium and you see, oh, magnesium oxide, okay, you give it to your patient, they get the laxative effect. And then, oh my gosh, I can't, I can't prescribe or recommend that. So they don't have any personal experience. I mean, in my world, when, when doctors get involved with this stabilized ionic form of magnesium, and I'm not mentioning any brand names. And like you say, they Google and get all this misinformation. You'll even hear occasionally, well, magnesium, if you take too much, you can, your, your heart can be affected. Mm-hmm. Well, that happens when doctors misjudge dosage and give intravenous magnesium too much and too fast, and then it throws off the electrolytes and throws off your heart rhythm. And then that gets translated into, oh, magnesium is bad for you. And that's in the whole environment of the drug companies not really wanting to compete with, with dietary supplements. And that's well known. So the studies that are out there, first of all, the, the nutrient studies, they're done on synthetic vitamins and they're done on these dirt-based minerals that don't disassociate or are not stabilized ions. So they're based on supplements that may not work anyway. And then the results of the studies, they can put the headline, well, you know, vitamin E didn't, doesn't work for the heart. Whereas we have good information that it can. So we're in a very difficult time. Where people have to do some of their own research and look at the biases. I have a weekly radio show. I've written a lot, but even with my work, Debra, I've had to go behind a protection wall where people have to kind of click and sign an agreement that they're not an FDA agent who's come to attack me. So yeah, it's difficult again, which is why it's so important for podcasts like yours.

Mm-hmm.

So we can get information out there.

So to summarize again, so someone wanted to find out where they were, there is a test that they could do, a lab test, and what would that be called?

The serum magnesium test. Not so good.

Not great.

I've been recommending the red blood cell magnesium test. It's a bit better. It has a wider range. And what you do is, uh, try to be on that high end of that range. Okay. When I first started recommending it, I think the range was 4.2 to 6.5. Now the range is 3.2 to 6.2. So the range has gone down as the population gets more magnesium deficient. Right. So that's a sure sign that the lab values are based on the sick population. Not on optimum. So you go for, go for high normal. You can get a baseline, start taking magnesium, see how you feel. I have a magnesium questionnaire on my website somewhere, and you look at your symptoms, you know, is your, your head less foggy? Are you less tired? Less migraines, less headaches, you know, less choking, less palpitations, leg cramps. Better sleep. All these things add up to you developing a kind of a magnesium saturation position.

Very good. So if somebody were starting, starting with 200, starting with 400 a day, experimenting, how often, how frequent would you say, okay, let's see how I do, is there any difference? And then I would increase for X period of time. How, what is that period of time?

Well, it's low and slow and it's taking it throughout the day. Before I had my liquid magnesium, I was telling people to get magnesium powders, magnesium citrate powder, because with a powder or liquid, you put it in water and then stir that up and you drink it through the day. Because if you take all 600 milligrams at once, then you're overloading your cells and it's gonna run out, you know, lose it in the urine or in your bowels. Mm-hmm. And the dosage can be, you know, 100 or 200 milligrams every few hours. Mm-hmm. But you start with maybe the 100 milligrams for a few days and see how that feels, and then it increase to 200. So it, it's low and slow cuz everybody's so different. I mean, in my case, more than 50 milligrams, I have the laxative effect. And if I listen to what doctors were saying about, well, you know, when it, when you get a little, little diarrhea, then your body has had enough. And that was far from the truth. So it's getting back to what we said about taking responsibility for your health and you know, seeing how you feel, keeping a little diary. And as I've said, you're probably not gonna get it in your food. So that's why I do think people have to supplement with magnesium, especially in these stressful times.

Totally agree. And I think back to what you've mentioned about mitochondria, I mean, that's no unfamiliar topic here because, you know, everybody is looking at energy, we're looking at longevity. I think if, if we could choose a buzzword word for 2024. It just might be longevity. I don't know anybody not talking about it, which is, which is interesting because I think we've all been, we've been a population served by immediate gratification. So now we're, we're apparently feeling like it is more immediate that we're thinking about our longevity. But if we're looking at mitochondria, can you say a little bit more and just kind of dive into that in how there are a lot of supplements, you know, coming out saying this is gonna help mitochondria production. And some have had great results, but magnesium seems like such a simpler way to first of all have this foundational thing that's here. So we're already prepared if we're doing something else in addition. How does that work?

We've always said that's where you make your energy. There's a glycolysis cycle that takes glucose and makes it into pyruvate that goes into the Krebs cycle. The Krebs cycle takes other ingredients. So all of that requires, I mean, there's maybe 15 steps involved in those two processes.

Mm-hmm.

And about 10 of the steps require magnesium. So magnesium is very important, as we said, in the energy. But there's one thing that, that was researched a while back that I quote in my books. Where if the body has too much calcium, which the body knows, oh, I don't want this, I gotta get rid of it. Actually, calcium can be stored up in the mitochondria to take it out of circulation so that it won't act as a, a blood clot or create spasms or whatever. And I found this incredible. The mitochondria that we started talking about 10 years ago mitochondrial disease. Oh, it's so important. What's going on? Mm-hmm. Well, this calcification is an, an enormous problem. And what keeps the body from being calcified is magnesium. Mm-hmm. So if you have enough magnesium in your bloodstream, that solubilizes calcium and directs it to your bones. That along with vitamin K2. If you take D3, you should be taking K2. The basis of mitochondrial health is actually magnesium. If you've calcifying your mitochondria, then nothing works. So you need magnesium. And if you don't have magnesium in those 10 steps, nothing works. So that, again, that's where 80% of the solution to any sort of mitochondrial disease or mitochondrial weakness lies in your magnesium intake. And after that, I mean, you can go and look, you can get your 23andMe and find out your top 100 gene abnormalities and mutations, which I totally abhor. Who wants to know the top 100 things that, that you can't do anything about?

Right.

Yeah. Forget it. The MTHFR that, that they found, oh, everybody's got MTHFR. Okay. Then, you know, like I did, let's make a B complex that, that's food-based and methylated already. So you don't have to worry about it and that you don't take high-dose synthetics to treat these conditions. And that's what's happening. I'm, I joke all the time with some of these young biohackers. I, I've been biohacking for 55 years and I'm here to tell you that you can't use synthetics. You can't do all this. They're doing shock therapy on themselves by giving high dose this and that, doing the ice cold plunges, you know, going into saunas for hours at a time. They are saying to their body, I'm going to kill you. What are you going to do about it? And then the body, what does it do? Respond. Oh, I'll give you some growth hormone and I'll give you— so then your blood tests look— oh my gosh, my blood looks so good after the ice plunge because it thought it was dying. So it created all these metabolites. And then what happens is you burn off all those building blocks of the metabolites. And I end up talking to people who've been burnt out by sauna therapy and by ice plunges and too much coffee enemas, which I got myself into that as well. Just be balanced. Get your building blocks. All I'm talking about is, is the, the basic A, B, C, D, E, K vitamins and, and Magnesium plus the multiple minerals. Here's something, Debra, that's very exciting. It's the thyroid requires 9 minerals to make thyroid hormones. 9. It's not just iodine. It's not iodine, selenium. You need your copper and boron, manganese, magnesium, molybdenum. You need 9 minerals. And if you take them, in a stabilized ionic form. In my case, after 6 weeks, my hands got warm for the first time in years. And I, I got off my Armour thyroid, 60 milligrams.

And how long had you been on it?

The Armour thyroid? Oh, years. Years. Yeah. I mean, we all, we all went there at a certain point.

Yeah.

Allopathic and alternative medicine believes in hormone replacement therapy, not in hormone production. And that's what I think our body wants to do is produce its own hormones and its own neurotransmitters. And we think, oh, well, let's just shoot this neurotransmitter in there and see what happens. And, and there, there are side effects. So good.

Oh, this has been so rich. Okay, so here we are. We're talking to a women's group of women over 40. Most likely they're in some stage of perimenopause. But I've also got an 80-year-old out there, so I know that's a shout out to you. You know who you are. What question have I not asked you that I should have?

What I try to talk about for, for all ages is hydration. And hydration with added sea salt. Because if I'm talking about minerals, and we know that, that tap water is no good anymore, it's all filtered out and then it's chlorinated and sometimes fluoridated. We, we're drinking reverse osmosis water, which there's nothing in it anymore, distilled water. So our water's dead and we used to depend on water for the living minerals that were in it. When you look at the long-lived communities, supposedly a lot of them are by mountain streams where, you know, they had all these rocks, you know, tumbling down when the ice melted and creating this almost cloudy water with all the minerals. And that they were getting their nutrients from the water. So we don't do that anymore. So we have to replace those minerals. Sea salt has, you know, like 72 different minerals that we haven't even studied them all yet. And what I find is if I can tell people to drink water throughout the day with sea salt in it, the formula or my guideline is you weigh yourself in pounds, divide that in half, that number in half, and then drink that many ounces of water a day. And in every liter put about a quarter teaspoon of sea salt. But you don't start with that. You start with a pinch of sea salt and get your taste buds used to it. And at a certain point, if you drink water in a restaurant, you go, oh, that's so bland because it is dead water. So I want everybody to hydrate and any age can do the process that we talked about, 100 or 200 milligrams a day for couple of days, oh, that feels okay. Let me take some more. The way magnesium has been marketed, you know, people will say, oh, it's good for sleep. So people just think, oh, I'll take it. I'll take it at night for sleep. But it helps your energy during the day, and then it relaxes you enough that you sleep at night. Because if your muscles are tight and tense and your nerves are twitching, it's very difficult. To get into that deep sleep. So then if you take your magnesium throughout the whole day, you're helping your energy through the day and your sleep at night, which seems contradictory, but that's how awesome magnesium is.

So great. And where can everyone get their hands on your book?

Amazon. Amazon.com. What's really cool about the book world these days, because, oh man, I had my battles with Random House, my my first magnesium book, The Magnesium Miracle. This, the second edition turned out to be 600 pages and it's like, oh my gosh, I, I can't expect people to read all that. That was back in 2017. So I just wrote this one to just summarize everything, you know, to, to list the 65 disease conditions that really could be magnesium deficiency in disguise. So it's very useful, almost encyclopedic. So amazon.com and it's print on demand. So you order the book or you order a dozen or so for you and your friends and they print it up and you get it, I think within 10 days, which is awesome. And the Kindle version is some days it's $0 for Prime members and some days it's like $5. The print version is only $10. So I think it's so affordable for people to have in front of them the information they need to get their, you know, their basic building blocks. Magnesium is not just a mineral, it's a building block for 80% of your body. Let's put it that way.

That beautifully said. So I'm going to kind of backwards and give you one more thing, but You know, you mentioned that so many diseases or signs, symptoms of diseases might actually be a magnesium insufficiency. I would have to say, and would want your thoughts back on this, is I think menopause symptoms are often a lot like that too. They're so closely related to other things that— I mean, is there a cumulative effect? By the time we get to a certain point in life, we could be deficient based on our lifestyle habits. And then you mentioned stress. Is, you know, one of the reasons we could be deficient or insufficient, at least in levels of magnesium. Well, hormonal change at that point in life, that's a stressor, right?

One of my customers wrote this, this is a, I guess it was a testimonial, but it was like her story. And she said she researched her menopausal symptoms and found that there were about 32. And she said just about every one of them could be magnesium deficiency. The headaches, the fatigue, the insomnia, the tension. Definitely magnesium is, is where you turn. Even the hot flashes.

Mm-hmm.

Because magnesium has an effect on the hormonal balance. It's where peop— again, where people should start rather than, I guess in, in medicine we think, oh, that maybe there's a drug so that when we see these advertisements about this herb or this vitamin for this particular condition, people will think, okay, I'll try that. But if their condition is caused by magnesium deficiency, you need the magnesium. Mm-hmm. Otherwise, all these other things are just treating the symptoms.

Amen to that. Okay, Dr. Carolyn Dean. So the book is one thing, but I can't believe that a lot of our followers are not gonna wanna come and follow you. So where would they do that to see more of you?

Drcarolyndeen.com is my educational website with links to my radio shows, all my webinars, and my blogs and my books. And my store site is rnareset.com. So rnareset.com. I did the RNA business long before this whole, whole epidemic thing started. I mean, we know RNA is very important. And actually, let me just, you know, backtrack myself. You mentioned about aging. Magnesium stops the chromosomes. The end of the chromosomes are called telomeres, right? And they fray with aging. Magnesium stops that. Magnesium decalcifies the body. So those are two big aging, you know, causes that magnesium helps. So again, there's a lot to learn about magnesium, but easy enough to remedy by getting hydrated, getting your sea salt, getting a magnesium. The stabilized ionic magnesium would be the best, but any magnesium is going to help you. You'll probably have one in your cupboard right now. But if they give you the laxative effect, then you know you have to go to stabilized ionic magnesium.

So good. Thank you again for your time here.

Thank you for what you do, Debra. I appreciate it very much.

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