Midlife Changes with Intermittent Fasting Expert Gin Stephens

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What are you waiting for? Good night. Midlife changes beyond hormones are the topic of this conversation. My guest is Gin Stephens. That might ring a bell, she's been here before. She is a change queen. Once a teacher, always a teacher, she says, but she left teaching as a profession and moved into intermittent fasting. Talk about pivot, huh? Although this episode is not about the intermittent fasting books or podcasts she hosts as much as it is about how a woman, 54, is pivoting on a regular basis and how you can too. I'm Debra Atkinson. You're listening to Flipping 50, where we address your top struggles and concerns. But more than that, we hope to inspire and help you to demand and expect to age very differently and to have the products and services that you want, need, and deserve. I share what to eat, how to move, and how to change your mindset so you indeed can have the energy and vitality that you want, need, and deserve in this second and better half. My guest today has been here before. Jen Stevens is the author of the New York Times and USA Today bestseller Fast Feast, Repeat, and Delay, Don't Deny: Living an Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle, an Amazon #1 bestseller in the weight loss category, as well as Clean-ish: Eat Mostly Clean, Live Mainly Clean, and Unlock Your Body's Natural Ability to Self-Clean, another Amazon #1 bestseller in several categories. Gin has lived the intermittent fasting lifestyle since 2014, losing over 80 pounds. She's the host of two top-ranked podcasts, Intermittent Fasting Stories and the Fast Feast Repeat Intermittent Fasting for Life podcast. She hosts that with Sherry Bullock. You can join her private community by going to jennstevens.com/community, and we will have all links that we're sharing today in the show notes. So without further ado, let's dive in. Jen Stevens, thanks so much for coming back.

Oh, well, I'm so glad to be here talking to you today.

All right, we're really doing a, like, a behind-the-scenes Jen Stevens look right now, and that is how far you've made it. Look at what you've done, because I mean, it is only like celebs that you do this with. So first of all, congratulations on the huge impact that you've made with intermittent fasting and all that you've done. But I want to dig into like the backstory with you.. And it is relevant to everyone. My mother would have raised me to say, you don't ask somebody that question, but I, I have to ask. Please share your age.

Well, I am 54 and went through menopause at the perfectly average age of 51, which is apparently right exactly smack average. Yes, it is. But I have been doing intermittent fasting since 2014. So, wow, we're almost coming up on the 10-year mark and I lost 80 pounds with intermittent fasting before menopause, kept it off through the menopausal transition. Here we are, you know, 9 years later, and I am maintaining. My clothes fit year after year, and, um, I'm— the 50s are better than the early 40s and the 30s were.

I love it. I absolutely love it. And what I really want to talk about is, because I know you personally as well as professionally and what you've done, which is also really huge, and we'll indirectly come to that. But you really have rerouted your life. I mean, we're talking careers and moving, right? Talk a little bit about like when, when in your life, at what age or stage did that happen, and what were those big changes like for you?

Well, I am a teacher, and so, you know, I want to— if you go back 50 years to my past, you know, hey, little Jen, what do you want to be when you grow up? The answer was teacher. It was always teacher. There was never any doubt. I mean, part of me wanted to be an interior designer, but teacher always won. So I went to college to be a teacher, and that's what I was going to do forever. And, you know, all of us have known teachers. Maybe you're related to some teachers. Well, teachers gotta teach. So whatever we're doing, whether we're in Walmart or the classroom or at our home with our husband and our family, we're teaching. So, you know, that's really how I ended up where I am right now. I'm still teaching, just in a different field. But if we backtrack to when my life fully started to pivot, it was after I lost the weight. Facebook, it was 2014 into 2015. Facebook was still fairly new at that time. And so Facebook groups were really something new. So I was in Facebook groups, you know, as I was going through losing the weight, different groups for this and that, ended up in some fasting groups. And, you know, I've got my classroom teacher roots, and I'm sure everyone listening has been in some Facebook groups before where people were just not exactly behaving on their best. Can I just say it like that? You know, people behind a keyboard tend to think they can just say and do whatever. And so I'm like, you know, I don't, I don't like this at all. So I started my own Facebook group. In 2015. I'd already lost 75 pounds at that point. And it was like a place where I knew I could be. It was like my place, my place with me and my friends that wanted to learn about intermittent fasting. And we could support each other, but we weren't going to have the rudeness and the shenanigans and all of that. Don't I just sound like a teacher, Debra?

You totally do. Yeah.

You know, no shenanigans allowed. Anyway, that little tiny group that started with me, I actually, when I first started it, funny story, It was August of 2015, and I was trying to start the group, and you can't start a group by yourself. So I put my husband in it just so it could be like somebody else. He wasn't even doing intermittent fasting at the time, but I started it and he was like, "What? No, I don't want to be in this group." I'm like, "Well, just till somebody joins." And then some of my friends joined and then he left. But what's funny is that group started growing and growing just, I guess, organically, naturally. And so, you know, One day we had 1,000 members and then we had 3,000 members and I'm like, oh no, where are these people coming from? And they had questions and I'm a teacher. And the beautiful part about being in an online environment is if someone asks a question that you don't know the answer to, you can look confused, you can be confused, but you have time to look it up. It started me down the rabbit hole of how to answer everybody's questions. You know, I have a doctorate in gifted education, so I've written a dissertation, I have a I have a master's in natural sciences, and I've always had a curious mind, which served me well in the classroom. I taught gifted kids. And so I knew how to find the answer to things, and I knew how to filter through resources. That's what I learned in my doctoral program. How do you know if a resource is good? How do you know who to listen to? And so I used what I knew to answer people's questions day after day, and my groups grew and grew. And then before I knew it, I was trying to teach elementary school. And also run these huge Facebook support groups that by the time I left teaching, we probably were at 300,000-ish members at that point, maybe 200,000. I'm not sure, but it was a lot. Wow. It was a lot to manage trying to teach school and then, you know, keep my handle on what was going on. But I was able to retire from teaching after 28 years of being in the classroom and It was a scary pivot. I can remember when I wasn't really sure if I was going to be able to leave the classroom and able to retire because I taught in Georgia and we could, you know, buy years. I was thinking I might could buy 2 years, then retire with 30 years. And it was in the right around December of 2017. And I thought I was going to be able to do it. I thought financially I was going to be fine, but I wasn't 100%. So I got an email. It was the year that it was time for me to renew my teaching certificates. I got an email from the state of Georgia that said, you gotta, you know, start the renewal process to renew your teaching certificate. This is your year. We must have this by January, whatever the date was. And I thought to myself, well, I should probably just go ahead and renew it, right? That's the smart thing to do. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to afford to buy these years and retire. And then I said to myself, nope, the universe, I'm going to trust the universe that I am going to be able to retire. I'm going to be able to do this, this really important work with the intermittent fasting support that I'm doing. And I did not renew my teaching certificate. And sure enough, it all worked out. I was able to buy my years and retire after 28 years, but with 30 years credit for the retirement process. Anybody who's a teacher will know that's a really important number. So I did it. It was scary, but I knew that I could do a lot more. Not sitting in the classroom for 8 hours a day plus more. You know, I knew that my vision was bigger than just, you know, the, the kids I was reaching in my classroom.

So I want to ask you something. So this wasn't a matter at all, it sounds of like, I'm unhappy here in this position, I don't like this position and I need a change. It was like you were actually leaving something you felt good at, confident in, and loved. In order to do something maybe that would help you be a bigger influence, make a bigger impact that you also were pulled to?

Is that right? Well, that is such an interesting question because if you had asked me that question at any time prior to the 2017-2018 school year, I would have said, oh, I love teaching. I never want to do anything else. Teaching is what I'm here to do. But a funny thing happened that when the school year was about to get started, that 2017 school year, about a week before it was time to go back, I was sitting at the dining room table eating dinner with my husband, and I realized I only had one more week till it was time to go back to school. And I started crying because I didn't want to go back. And I had never felt that way before. Like, for anyone who's listening that's a teacher, the beginning of the school year is very exciting and we look forward to it and it's a new beginning and it's a fresh start. And I had always looked forward to the beginning of the school year, but something Something had switched and something had changed. And the last year before that, the 2016 to 2017 school year, I started to feel stuck. There were things I wanted to be doing, but I couldn't. Because one thing about being a teacher is that you are stuck to that schedule like glue. You are there or you have a substitute and you are responsible whether you're there or you're not.

Felt different. Interesting. Okay, so what about— I mean, you still chose it, obviously. You, you could have chose to— I'm gonna cut this out, maybe figure out how we get— how to get through it, or, or figure out why I feel this way. Have you had forced changes? So that was a choice. Were there things like— you're— you moved. I mean, you're living on the beach. I'm so jealous, actually, by the way. Every time you post, I'm like, this is a dream. But were there any forced changes that you had to make along the way?

Well, yes, in my life there were. Like when, when our first son was born in 1998, we were living in Aiken, South Carolina, and I had taught there for 8 years and loved it. You know, I was in a school where I fit right in and I had really good friends who were also starting families at that time. My dad and my stepmother and my brothers and my sister were nearby. And my husband finished his PhD and moved us 3 hours away to Atlanta, where I didn't know a soul. So that was an example of a change that I wasn't really enthusiastic about, uprooting my life like that. That was hard. But other than moving for my husband's job, you know, I'm a bloom where you're planted kind of girl. And I can be happy really anywhere that I am. You know, I made the best of all the moves and made new friends and, you know, enjoyed making a splash in all of the schools. We ended up going back to the Augusta, Georgia area, which is near where my family is, just over the river from South Carolina. And I taught there from 2005 till I retired in 2018. And other than that, you know, moving away, really none of the changes felt forced to me. Now moving to the beach, that was all me. And I haven't felt forced.

Talk about that. Was that a bucket list thing? Like, had you always wanted to live at the beach? And how did that come about? And, and of course, how did you help your husband over that hurdle of adopting?

Well, that was not easy. He does not like change. And we were both born in Augusta, even though I didn't grow up there because my parents divorced and I lived in Virginia. He was born and raised there. That's where he always was. And when we left to go to the Atlanta area, he didn't want to go back. When we went back in 2005, he's like, "I do not want to go back to Augusta. I don't want to be back there." So that, you know, I remembered that. So then we ended up, after I retired, we ended up buying a little condo at the beach and I loved it. And I would travel as much as I could. 3.5 to 4 hours depending on traffic to get to the condo. But I would go back and forth and I could work from the condo, I could work from our house in Augusta. But then we ended up, we found the perfect little bitty beach cottage built in 1956, hadn't been touched really. The kitchen had been redone in a way that looked really beach cottagey but up to date. And I just loved it right there on the beach, waking up, watching the sunrise, the time is my own. And I started resenting that drive back and forth. And, you know, my husband was having, I guess, a tough time at work. He was in his 25th year, and you can retire at 25. He was a university professor. And so we started talking about him retiring. And, you know, he didn't love his department and wanted to be away from that. And I'm like, well, you know, we got this beach house. Let's sell our house here in Augusta and let's go to the beach. And he did it. He retired, he quit his job, we sold our house, we moved to the beach. It took him a while. He wasn't real happy for a long time. He kind of felt loose ends, but he's figuring it out. He's figuring out what to do and how to fill his time. I think, you know, for a man, work is really, really tied into who they are as an identity. And of course, that's true for many women as well. But it really was tied into his identity. And so he was like, here I am in a place that's new. Who am I? What am I doing? So that was hard for him, but I just took to it like this is where I should always have been.

That is very cool. So very cool. Let's, let's talk about what it is that you do when you quote unquote go to work in your beach cottage, right? So, right, looking out your window, your view is so much better than mine, I can tell you that right now. But talk about the content, the actual content of your new podcast and, and the existing. I mean, you have a lot of things going on.

I do.

You juggle a lot. So yeah, talk about that too. I mean, is that a part of what makes you thrive?

Well, it really, really is. You know, I, I talked about how I started my first Facebook community in 2015, and I really loved continuing the teaching role with adults who are trying to adopt the intermittent fasting lifestyle and My Facebook groups got so large, they ended up being almost 500,000 combined members by the time that I left completely in 2021 and shifted to a private community that's not on Facebook. And so that relieved a lot of the pressure that came along with Facebook because my groups may have been some of the most pleasant groups to be in, but that took a lot of work on the back end, you know, managing it with the moderators and all of that. In 2021, I shifted to a community that was not on Facebook anymore, which meant that of course there were no algorithms. We were in charge of our content. We were in charge of everything. And the people who were there, even though, you know, the cost to join the community was low, it was enough of a barrier to keep people from coming in. Like, you know, if they came, it was because they wanted to be there, not because they had accidentally wandered in off the Facebook street, if you know what I mean. And so the, the community got even stronger and better. And so it brings me great joy to manage that community. You know, I wake up every morning and walk out on the front porch of my beach cottage. Well, it's the back porch. I don't know, whatever the one that overlooks the ocean. And I watch the sun come up because I'm an early riser.

I call that the only one that matters.

That's right. It's the important porch. But I watch the sun come up, getting that morning light in my eyes. I'm so lucky. And, you know, I catch up on what was going on since I put my phone down the day before in the Community. And I'm there to encourage people, answer questions, help them along the way with their intermittent fasting journey. That's— I'll do that drinking my coffee and wearing my pajamas, sitting on the porch with my cat. And I also podcast. I have 2 podcasts now. One of them is called Intermittent Fasting Stories. I just recorded episode 366 today. So you can listen to a new episode every day of the year. That's so good. And that one comes out twice a week, every Tuesday and every Thursday, a new episode drops. And I just love that podcast because I'm talking to just real people, real intermittent fasters who, you know, write in. I didn't know if anybody listened to this podcast when I started it in, um, 2018. I'm like, do people really want to listen to stories? Well, I know I love stories and I love to talk to people, so let's just see what happens. And sure enough, I had to go to 2 episodes a week because so many people want to tell their story. We're scheduled out through February. We're recording this right now in September, and people are scheduling in February and March to tell their stories. And then I have another podcast that I record with a co-host that we just launched. It's called Fast Feast Repeat: Intermittent Fasting for Life, named after my New York Times bestseller, Fast Feast Repeat. And that one has a different format. We share celebrations, we answer listener questions, we share our tweak of the week, we share resources, books, new studies, that sort of thing. And we are loving that podcast. And it comes out every Wednesday. So, you know, if I'm recording or if I'm releasing 3 episodes a week, I have to record— I have to schedule, you know, 4 episodes a week to record because sometimes guests will reschedule or something happens. So pretty much, you know, 4 days a week I'm recording something, not to mention, you know, being on podcasts like yours. But it is such good flexible work compared to, you know, the classroom. When I— I mean, I had to be there for bus duty, you know, when I was the gifted teacher. I did bus duty every single day. I better be standing out there at 8:10 when the first bus rolled up. You know, there was no flexibility on that. And, you know, you were there until it was time to clock out. You may not realize teachers are clocking out at the end of the day. Yeah. And so, you know, I'm working hard But it's work that I love. You know, I'm, I'm doing all this. Everybody has assistants and everybody that you talk to in the world with podcasts and writing and all that, they all have their assistant. No, it's just me. I'm a one-woman, one-woman show. And I, I mean, obviously I have my co-host on the other podcast and we work together, but it's such fulfilling work and it doesn't feel like too much at all compared to running an elementary school classroom.

That is such a great, I think, summary of what's going on. And I, you know, I think when you have that sense of purpose, and I think you've been fortunate to have it twice, right? I mean, it's just, I have this and I have that. You have too much talent, clearly.

Yeah. Well, it's all— it's still being a teacher. I mean, seriously, the number one best training for the work that I'm doing right now was just being myself and being a teacher. You know, when I wrote Fast Feast I had a friend that was reading it for me and she's not very science-y. So I really wanted her to read it because, you know, you can get too caught up in something that's hard to understand, if you know what I mean. But part of being a teacher is being able to break something down for elementary kids to understand it, redeliver content. And so she was reading my rough draft as I was going along and she made a comment to me. She said, "Every book should be written by a teacher." I'm like, "Well, you know, thank you, but we do know how to teach." So that I am just a teacher with a different hat right now, teaching different content to people.

Yeah, I love that. So I'm curious, are you followed by— are there a lot of people in your groups who are teachers? Are you attracting?

Well, there are a lot of teachers, but, you know, I don't know if that's— if there's more or less than other. I'm not sure how the representation might be, but there are a lot of teachers that are in my community. But it just works so well with a teacher's schedule, being able to do intermittent fasting. And you're so productive at school. Like, I didn't eat when I was a teacher. I didn't eat till I got home from school. After I started intermittent fasting, you didn't have to waste your time with lunch. No lunch that you could take to school was going to be good, or the cafeteria or anything. And the, the junk that's around in a school— always sweet treats day, or here's some donuts or something. And so it was so easy. You didn't have to worry. You're like, you don't have to like, oh, am I going to eat those donuts every time I walk by them? And no, you're just— you're not eating right now. It's like no decision fatigue. You just go home and have a delicious eating window and nourish your body then. And super easy for the teacher schedule.

That is so great. And I do have to comment on this, and this is just a little shout out behind the scenes. We'll see if she's listening, but I just want to say I know it. We love all our community members, by the way, so I'm not, uh, not kind of singling out, but the teachers are really great for this reason. They ask really good questions. Yes, they get curious, and everyone in our community benefits from them. So shout out to Barb. You know who you are if you're listening, and I want to know if you heard this.

Well, hey, Barb. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah, it's true. We are curious and we do love to learn, and I think that That's such a gift for the teachers out there. You know, we, we, when we hear something that sounds true, we also latch right on to it. So teachers are like, oh, intermittent fasting, this, this sounds good to me, and then we're like all in.

Yeah, well, and I think one of the biggest benefits is when we were younger— I'm, I'm gonna say collectively, but this may not be true of you— when we were younger, I think we try to fake it. Even if we don't have the right answers, we don't want to put our hand up and ask because we feel like I should already I know this. And now we can shrug a little bit of that off, but I think teachers are even better at it. Like being curious, they know, is a good thing as opposed to it doesn't feel, oh, I should know this, or I'm going to look silly or stupid or dumb for asking this. No, I think they're willing to, well, I'm going to ask because I want to know.

That's exactly right. And that served me well, of course, in my classroom with my gifted kids because they can see right through you. And, you know, they respect a good, well, I'm not really sure. Let's look and see. And also showing them that was important for modeling with the gifted kids is teaching them that they're not expected to know everything because they can have that whole imposter syndrome feeling because, hey, I'm gifted, I'm supposed to know everything. And teaching them you're not expected to have all the answers because I sure don't know. Einstein didn't know his own phone number. He had to look it up. I don't know if that's true or urban legend, but I love that.

Well, and I think that's true of so many inventors. Like, they just don't care and they just keep going. And they— we forget, you know, that for every discovery there was like, you know, thousands of failures that happened first, and they kept going, asking the better question. I would love it if you would share a little behind the scenes of like, what are some of the biggest surprises or most impactful stories as you've heard so many of people who've tried intermittent fasting and had transformations? Anything come to mind?

You know, I think of one that really pops in my mind because there's a couple, Susan and Carl, and Susan is in my community and Carl is her husband. And I actually met them. They were driving through from Charleston to their home, and they were living in Maryland at the time last summer, and I met them. We went for coffee, and Carl told me the story. Susan started fasting first, and she just was living the lifestyle, and he was watching her and, you know, learning from her. Then he decided he was just gonna do it too. And And he had been in an accident at some point in the past. He had injured his arm very severely to the point that his muscle was atrophied. This was his left arm. His muscle was so atrophied, he had such a limited range of motion in his left arm, he could not apply deodorant to his opposite arm using that arm, and his arm was just, you know, almost useless. And he told me how when he started intermittent fasting and he just lived the lifestyle and went about his day, his muscle— I mean, he had had this for years. This is not just something he had just had. His muscle rebuilt itself. I mean, this sounds like unbelievable, like what? He regained full muscle strength in that arm and range of motion. Not because he suddenly started some new workout regimen. You know, we know intermittent fasting is powerful. You know, there's something called autophagy, which is where your body cleans up old junky proteins. We've had people talk about scar tissue, 30 years old. Somebody talked about Donna Dubie on the podcast, an early episode. She had a really thick C-section scar from 30-something years before, and it went away to the point that it just looked like a pencil mark on her belly instead of a thick, ropey scar. I mean, that sounds made up. But who would even believe that, you know, autophagy clears up that old damaged tissue. But also when you're fasting clean, which is super important, you have increased levels of human growth hormone naturally. And so your body is better at rebuilding the muscle. And so darn if Carl's arm didn't fully, fully heal to the point that it's— you can look at them and not tell the difference between his left arm and his right arm. And I just saw them again. They were coming back through again. I guess they take their annual trip. Charleston, and they were driving back home and they stopped and had coffee with me again. And he said, well, since in the year since I've seen you, all the moles that I used to have have fallen off. I'm like, who would believe that? Wow.

Yeah.

So one, just one example, you know, I've talked to 366 guests now on the podcast and the stories are just amazing. Plantar fasciitis gets better. That's a very, very common one that we hear in midlife women, particularly. But it goes away with intermittent fasting, right? Here, type 2 diabetes in remission. We hear people with Crohn's disease who are better. I mean, it is just remarkable, the stories that we hear. People who had PCOS and then start intermittent fasting and then, oops, they're suddenly pregnant because intermittent fasting has restored their fertility. Unlike some of the hype you might hear saying it's bad for women's hormones, we actually see the opposite to be true in our community. Lots of oops babies that were not expected. And that's a great thing. But the story is just, you know, that's why I do this work and why I am so happy to spread the word about intermittent fasting, because it's changing lives. And, you know, I haven't gone out there and, you know, when I release a new podcast episode, I'm not hyping it out and pushing it everywhere. I just release it. I release it, walk away. And what, what's happening is people are telling each other, you know, people, people are telling their friends about intermittent fasting and telling, you know, their coworkers and their doctors. And it's kind of like a grassroots movement that is growing behind the scenes, you know, and everybody listening either has tried intermittent fasting or they know someone who has done it. And I would like to encourage anyone who's tried it and, you know, quote, it didn't work for them. Um, I know why, and I can help you with that. If you haven't read my book Fast Feast Repeat, you were probably not fasting clean, which makes all the difference in the world. And so, you know, people are probably wondering what that is, but it's, it's explained in Fast Feast Repeat, and it makes such a big difference to whether intermittent fasting is something you think of as you're doing it temporarily or whether it becomes a lifestyle, because it really is. Once once your body is fat adapted, you're metabolically flexible, you're living it as a lifestyle, you're gonna feel so good that you're never gonna want to stop doing it.

Amen, right? I think a client quote I had several years ago, but I'm still repeating it, you know, it was just finally she resisted, she resisted, and then she said, okay, well, what I'm doing isn't working, so I'm gonna try this. And she comes back and finally said, you know, feeling good feels good. Why would I ever want to stop this? Right?

Yeah. It's the best motivator. Feeling good is the most powerful motivator. I say that 10 times a day because it's so true.

So awesome. Okay, so knowing that every woman here is probably on one side or the other of you, you're probably right in the middle of our demographic of women in their 40s to 70s. And I know some of you are pushing 80, and I can't wait till I can say they're in their 80s. What question should I have asked you just about really, I think, the overarching message here of being open to change?

It's never too late to change. Literally never too late to do something that you love to do and you want your job to light you up. You know, when I was a teacher, that job lit me up. I loved it until that one day when I'm crying in my dining room and I realized I don't want to go back. I don't want to be back. Suddenly, it didn't light me up anymore, and it was because I had already found something that I was doing that was something I really wanted to do. We've all heard the saying, "If you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life." And that is really, really true. So if you've got a job that feels like a drag and it makes you dread going to work, then, you know, we only get one life. Now's the time. You know, you're never gonna be any younger than you are right this minute, although if you do intermittent fasting, you might feel younger.

That's a selling point.

Yeah, but you probably will. But you know, you want to enjoy the life that you've got. So don't be afraid. Whatever it is you need to let go of to find something new, and also, you know, just trust. You know, I trusted I am not gonna renew my teaching certificate. I'm going to make this work. That was scary. And that's what I did. And take those steps to finding what you love, whether it's starting with volunteering somewhere or just finding, you know, what you want to do. But don't be afraid to leave those golden handcuffs of the job that is safe. You know, teaching is safe. I could have stayed there and kept doing it. And I knew what to expect day to day. It's really scary to go out on your own and be an entrepreneur. Start a podcast and write a book and launch a community. And but it's been worth it. I've been— I'm grateful, but I've been richly blessed because I took that risk.

So good. So good. I'm sure you're going to have a host of people coming over not only to follow you because of the influence of, you know, she did it, I can do it, hopefully. Is what we've planted today, but also to learn more about intermittent fasting and get a little bit behind the scenes through podcasts as well as through your books. Where's the best place for listeners to go and connect?

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only start again. Sorry, I got tongue-tied. The very best place to find me is at ginstevens.com, and gin is like gin and tonic, G-I-N. Stevens is with a PH, jennstevens.com. From there, you can find links to all of my podcasts and my books and my community. There's a tab for that, jennstevens.com/community. And all roads lead through, through my website.

So good. All right, listeners, now it's up to you. You know, in addition to your questions today, what I'd love for this one is for you to tell me, is there a decision that you really would like to say yes to, like you'd really like to pull the trigger on making a change. I want you to share that if there's something you're thinking about, and when you share it, you will be inspiring somebody else. So you can find show notes at flipping50.com/midlifechanges, and you'll find this everywhere that podcasts are released. What are you waiting for? Let's jump in. Start Blippin 50 today.