Solving Sleep Issues with CBD and Other Perimenopause Symptom Solutions

Real quick, before we dive into this episode, I have a little sleep secret I want to tell you about. Look, sleep is crucial for your fitness, but it's crucial for just plain old everyday life and function. And I find I sleep great unless I have a migraine. And I've had more than my fair share since perimenopause all the way through postmenopause. My secret weapon was Blue Sky CBD sleep gels. Each gel contains 25mg of CBD and 25mg CBN for deep restorative sleep. Something about it helps to reduce inflammation, which I believe for me was key in helping me get to sleep. But the biggest thing is so many of the over-the-counter solutions, whether for sleep or migraines, can ruin gut health, and liver health. Neither one of those did I want to be problematic for me. So this option is recommended by healthcare providers worldwide and backed by thousands of happy customers, many of whom come from our Flipping 50 community. There is zero THC, so it's non-habit-forming. It's made by a trusted family-owned company that we all can feel good about. Third-party tested for purity and potency. And if you're interested, you too can try a sample for just $6. But even better, you can get 30% off forever with discount code FLIPPING50. That's FLIPPING50. Just go to flipping50.com/blueskycbd. We'll put that link in the show notes and you'll find it everywhere on Flipping 50 at My Favorites. What are you waiting for? Good night. If you have trouble sleeping, if you have questioned using CBD and whether or not you should or what kind you should and sorting through that, this episode is for you. But I promise you, if you join for one of those reasons, you're going to stay and be so glad you did for about a dozen others.

I'm Debra Atkinson, and you're listening to Flipping 50. I started this podcast over a decade ago to answer questions about fitness and menopause and beyond before you know to ask them. The goal to help accelerate your results with the science and the practical application of proven protocols while living your best life. There's no more powerful health influencer in the world than a midlife woman.

It's not just you, but it's the 3 generations that you influence.

My unique 40-year career, including being a university senior lecturer in kinesiology, an industry subject matter expert, an international speaker, to founder of the first and the only exclusively made-for-menopause-and-beyond fitness membership in the world. Every week I interview experts behind the science of optimal hormone-balancing fitness and longevity and share answers to our community's questions so you can have the vitality and the energy you want, need, and deserve.

Okay, this is probably one of the hardest episodes to introduce that I've ever had. I'm really struggling and at a loss for words because we said so much in the podcast. It is full of gold. It may be coming up to one of my top 5, if not my top 3 podcast interviews that I've ever done. Now, I've interviewed some kind of experts in academics who were people I really wanted to interview, and that of course is a thrill. I've interviewed some researchers who I No question, it was a game changer and somebody I really wanted to connect with and bring on board with you. But this is from one of you. This is one of you, actually a listener, so I really mean one of you who had listened to a podcast that I shared about CBD and the uses of it, the applications of it, the kinds of it, and tried it., and it was life-changing for her, literally life-changing. And I know we, we throw that term around very flippantly in this society today. I'm an Aries, dramatic, I can do that, but I'm not. It was just for me to read a Flipping 50 community member's testimonial on the site of a partner, and we call them affiliate partners, that means when I share a product that I know, use, and trust, and it's what I share with my family and my friends, sometimes before they ask, sometimes after they ask. But with you, I share because many of you are asking, what do you use for sleep? Or knowing that sleep is an issue and many other things. So muscle soreness and aches and pains, or I can't stay asleep, or, uh, trouble with regularity. So many different things that if I've used a product personally and/or I have used it repeatedly with clients, gotten good results, or heard from many of them that you've shared it— if I can't give a first-person story, it's not a problem I've had, so it's maybe not a solution that I've had to find, I'm sharing some of yours. This was full of gold. So my guest today is one of you, and by sharing this, I also Also at the end, you'll hear me ask and invite you if you have a story of your own that is similar. And I think when you're through with this episode, you'll understand what I mean. If you've gone through something and you are now on the other side, you changed something that you were doing. Maybe even you resisted making the change, or you have, you had hit your head up against the side of the wall so many times not finding solutions, then finally did. If there's something that you would like to come in and to talk about, reach out to us. You can do that at podcast@flipping50.com. That'll go right to my podcast manager, and she and I will discuss if it's a great fit. You can reach out to us in a Facebook group, the Flipping 50 Insiders Group. That's a private group with only us, and yet you do have to ask permission to join because we want to know a little bit about you. We don't let Boys in, no boys allowed. It's just us and people just like us. My guest today is Laura Scott. She's a former banker and corporate trainer who chose to leave the business world. Stay with me if you're just tuning in. This is not about banking or corporate training. It's just, this is her background. She's a human female in midlife, just like you. So I just want you to hear who is she. She's the mom next door, and this is her story. So she left the business world to dedicate her time to raising two children. She now spends her days homeschooling and shuttling kids to sports. Over the past four years, she cared for her aging parents as they rapidly declined. At the same time, perimenopause came knocking at her door. As her symptoms increased, she was deeply saddened and anchored By the hopelessness and messaging around here that aging is a curse, and that lit a fire inside her to choose to live better for herself and to inspire and encourage women older and younger than herself. She did her research. She overhauled her diet and healed many of her symptoms through nutrition, but she knew she needed to sleep to take her healing further. She discovered Blue Sky CBD through the Flipping 50 podcast. How cool is that? She restored her sleep, so she's living her days well. In just a few years, her children will be off to college, and she's eager to enter that stage with wisdom and vitality. She may not yet know what she wants to be when she grows up, but choosing To age powerfully is her first step to living this next season to its fullest. And I want you to know that our guest Laura wrote that about herself. I cannot wait to have you listen to this episode, and I want you to take notes because if you can listen to this first 5 and a half minutes, she just dropped bomb after bomb after bomb. But if you have the full time, go for a hike or a walk or a workout. You'll get so much more in the rest of the show. Thanks so much for being here. Here we go. Laura, thank you so much for being here.

Well, thank you for having me. It is nice to finally be able to meet you in person.

Well, and it is so serendipitous. So literally, I love blue sky. I love it for a couple of reasons. My knees love it, my glutes love it, my quads love it after I've hiked like the Grand Canyon. But to learn that somebody else in our community also has such great results. And then to read your testimonial on their site was like, that's just a feel-good moment, by the way, for, you know, whether you want to call me an influencer or an expert, or I prefer both if we can blend the two. But to know that a product I'm using, love, and shared with our community actually also really stood out and helped somebody. So I kind of like to unpack that. Before starting to use the Blue Sky CBD— and we'll talk about which products you like or love most— were you looking for one, or were you maybe just looking for a solution to a problem that you couldn't solve?

I actually wasn't. I did not ease into perimenopause with grace. At all. It surprised me. Heart palpitations, night sweats, brain fog, and it was awful. And somehow I found our Flipping 50 Community. I started with Stronger3 and that helped. I followed the Flipping 50 tenets, the light-late exercise and cutting out my caffeine. I cleaned out my diet. I followed the Sleep Yourself Sexy, is that what it's called?

I think it used to be. So let me say this, in my defense, it was called Sleep Yourself Skinny.

Skinny, that's what it was.

I hope all of you right now are skin crawling because we are right now, literally, it's on my desktop, we're changing the title to Sleep Yourself Strong.

Oh, I like that. I like that. I was following all of that, and honestly, I was seeing results as far as brain fog and feeling better. I had talked to my provider about maybe starting some hormone therapy. She was a little outdated on that. I'm currently looking for a new doctor, but I was listening to—

She said nonchalantly. I want you all to hear that that was kind of a mic drop that She just like went right on over.

Okay, we do need to advocate for ourselves and we need to feel good. And it is confusing because right now menopause is having a moment and our social media feeds and the bookstores are full of a wealth of information that I have learned may not be true. I took myself through the Menopause Specialist program. I learned a ton. But I still couldn't sleep. And I, for about 3 years, woke up almost every single day just crying that it was morning. My sleep scores were about a 38. My body— Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was awful. And my body battery was pretty much zero. And nobody has time for that.

No.

So I just happened to be listening to your podcast with Dr. D, and he was so lighthearted and encouraging and funny. And he just said, hey, you know what? If you've tried everything else, why not try this? I didn't feel like he was trying to oversell me. I didn't feel like he was trying to just make money. And you do feel that sometimes with supplements, right? And he even says in there how to dose it. You take it 30 minutes before bed if you have trouble falling asleep. You take it at bedtime if you have trouble staying asleep. If you wake up at 3 AM and you've only taken one, you can take another one. And that's where he had me, because you can't do that with melatonin or you will wake up groggy and not feeling good at all. Yes. And so I tried it, and within 2 weeks, my sleep scores were in the high 80s, low 90s. My body battery was restored, so I can wake up— I still only wake up in the 70s, I'm still working on my diet to figure that out, but it was huge. I— if— yes, eat your protein. Yes, lift heavy. But if you didn't sleep at all, you just want to eat Doritos and, and you can't work out because you're so tired.

Yeah, yeah. And just to, to add to that, so you're so tired and There are studies that I've been sharing for probably over a decade now that say, now, your blood alcohol content is not changing, but we are operating as if we're drunk because our reaction skills are not good. And what are we telling everybody as fitness pros? Do your agility, do jumps, do power training. And it would be the worst possible recommendation for someone to maybe even get on a moving belt on a treadmill if they were sleep deprived. So it's, you know, those of you who are trying to muscle it through but not sleeping, it's— you got to deal with it. You can't go around it, you can't go under it, you have to get through it. Yes. Yeah, amazing. Oh my gosh, I feel like we just packed a 30-minute show into 5 minutes and 52 seconds. That was So much said. And, you know, I think we've all heard these, you couldn't even make that up kind of thing. But that's what I've got to say about all this. I mean, you have so much going on that— incredible that you went through this and you unpacked it. So that does make you a bit of an anomaly. You know, there are so many— how many times did you feel like you wanted to throw in the towel?

I mean, yes, that's legit.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah. Is there— are there other people who depend on you at work, at home?

Yes, absolutely. I mean, who— what, what midlife woman doesn't? At the time, I was walking both my parents through dementia, homeschooling high schoolers, and my husband is usually gone about 3 weeks out of every month for work. Oh my God, it was a lot. It was a lot.

That is, that is so much. Well, and at any time, was there fear for you that, I mean, let's face it, memory is not great on the days you're sleep deprived, you know? So you're watching your parents with dementia. Were you worried for yourself?

I was worried that if I didn't fix my health and my sleep I was going to continue on a path where I may not even live as long as they would. And you certainly cannot be up late, uh, arguing with a teenager if your brain is just fried.

Another reason for training. Okay, there we go. If you were looking for motivation today, there you have it.

Well, you say, you, you always say we have 3 generations watching us, and I felt that pressure, but there was, I couldn't even help myself, let alone help anyone else.

Wow.

So amazing. I would love to unpack this because this is such a different, it's such a different reason than I personally. So I think this is a good opportunity to point out, you know, use of CBD could be for multiple reasons. So in my case, it's like, for aches and pains after self-inflicting a really long hike, right? I mean, I did it, I knew it was coming, you know, and premeditated it, had it with me. But in this case, you know, we're talking sleep. And, and so anybody else listening, you know, headaches, tension that you might store in your body— what always comes to mind for me is upper back and neck. So many times if I have a migraine, I just feel it coming on. I'm like coloring myself all day, like, don't you dare, don't you dare, don't you dare, you know. And sometimes it helps. It, it doesn't always, but you don't know if it doesn't take the edge off maybe just a little bit too. Are there certain products that you liked more than others or that were helpful, or did you get lucky and, and they worked right away for you?

For Blue Sky specifically? Yeah. So I started with the sleep gels. I started with one right when I went to bed.

Okay.

And I still, if I'm going through a really stressful time, something's just off or we're really busy, I might just start out with two before bed and not even worry about that 3:00 AM wake up and need to take another one. I do use their bath bombs. I transitioned to that after my first bottle of the sleep gels. And those are amazing. Yeah, so a nice hot bath, and I have very sensitive skin, they don't bother me. I do have the stick and I have never used it on myself, but I have a daughter who's an athlete and I use it on her regularly.

Mm, yeah, yeah, I found that so, so helpful. And not just like around joints, but I find if I do a long hike, it's like the whole length of my quads will be sore, you know, and it was so nice to have something like this because it's more of a lotion to spread. Just in case you're wondering, so I am on video, and do not send a message that my hair is graying. I know I'm growing it out, so I'm very brave being here on camera. But the gels she's talking about, so these are like capsules. They're like almost like an omega-3 kind of thing, but they're super small. This one that I have is the Max Relief, and this is what I'll use if I have a migraine. Like, and I'm in it. And it too, I can interchangeably use this or use the sleep to help me get to sleep at night, and it will help the headache. So sometimes it's just I need a good solid night, I need to close my eyes and everything to go dark, and I'll be okay in the morning. So whether it's the sleep or the Max, both are helpful for me. But also, yes, the bath bomb So great. If you are a member and you are coming to the Colorado retreat, you will be overjoyed because you're going to get some little treats in your goodie bag. So, uh, shout out to Blue Sky for that. Um, I love it. Do you have any, I think, reservations, or did you, about using CBD? Because I know some of our listeners are like, well, it's maybe they have tried something recreationally in their past and they're a little nervous about it, or should they? Any feelings like that for you or for your kids?

I did not. Dr. D did a really good job on that podcast. I hope you're linking to it, uh, really breaking that down. I had never tried anything CBD-oriented before. It— I wasn't nervous about it at all, and honestly, I may have just been so desperate that I just wanted to try anything. The other thing I will say about the stick is some people do use CBD gels and creams, but you can't touch your eyes or your face after. I don't know if they have a menthol in them. The nice thing about Blue Sky is the stick you can just roll on. You don't have to worry about washing your hands after and getting the menthol in your eyes.

Yeah, so true, so true. And you know, had it not been so hot the last time we went to the Grand Canyon— it was just an extremely hot day— I would have packed this with me, but my fear would have been it'd been like liquid liquid because I would have put it on, you know, not only pre— which I did, like I knew, all right, I'm going to be using my calves, my quads the most— I, I put it on prior and then I just had to wait until afterward because primarily the worst part isn't the soreness afterward, but it's when you lay down to go to sleep. If you've been exerting, you know, your muscles then start shouting at you and it's like, I am so tired but I can't get to sleep. It's a different kind of wired tired for sure. Where are you now with other signs and symptoms of menopause?

So now that I'm sleeping better, that definitely helps. I still have a lot of the symptoms that people don't usually talk about— flaky skin, itchy ears. My hair is still not quite right. Definitely, I have certain weeks of the month that my brain fog is worse than others. I manage a lot of my symptoms with my food and with exercise. I do cold plunge. And like I said, I'm hoping to find a doctor who will listen and, and let me take some estrogen and some progesterone, maybe some testosterone. But for now, I'm just doing everything at home.

So good. So based on what you've said, I am surmising, hopefully not assuming, you're in perimenopause right now still?

I believe so, yes. Okay. I am, I am 48. Okay. I do have PCOS, um, and I'm missing an ovary, so I'm just not sure where that's going to put me. And I've had an ablation, unfortunately, so It's hard to track my cycle. I have a teenage daughter, so I kind of try to track her. I ask her when we're on our period.

So good. For anybody listening who's not familiar with PCOS, do you want to describe, define that, talk about your journey with it, and maybe a little bit about how long you've known?

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I actually didn't know until I took the Menopause Specialist course and had my eyes opened to a whole bunch of things I wish I would have known in my 20s and 30s. Um, it's an inflammatory condition that can cause infertility, which I had. And, um, a lot of other— you can have cysts, you have ovarian cysts, a lot of other issues that you have with it.

Very cool. You know, and I think you're not alone. I think there are a lot of women kind of in their 50s, 60s right now, or approaching it, who, you know, It's much more widely known and talked about, I think, like so many things. We never talked about perimenopause, we never talked about postmenopause, what the difference is. And we're talking about these things, which is good. So much better for our daughters, or in my case, daughter-in-laws, you know, and looking at, um, what will they know and, and what will they know sooner so they can be proactive. So, so good. If you could give one piece of advice to somebody who's not sleeping and who's trying to muscle her way through, what would that, what would that be?

I would say just take it down and simplify it. Don't— you don't need to read every book. You don't need to Google and overwhelm yourself with information. Clean up your diet, drink your water, Eat your protein. Mm-hmm. Try hot baths and morning light. Get your circadian rhythm down. If those things don't work, then try something like the Blue Sky. But you don't need to go and spend hundreds of dollars buying every product and every book and asking every single girlfriend and getting yourself even more spun up and overwhelmed with all the different answers. Just go back to the science. Which you can find in our Flipping 50 Community. Make it simple, but advocate for yourself. If these things aren't working, then maybe, maybe you need something more. And even Dr. D says that if, if even the blue sky doesn't work, yeah, then, then you, then you have something else that needs to be figured out. But you need to sleep.

Yeah, no contest on that. Can we go back and unpack When you say clean up your diet, I think a listener might interpret that in her very own way. So if we have, you know, 100,000 people download this episode, right, right, we have, you know, a lot of variety on what does that mean. And to someone it might mean just level 1 is maybe no processed foods, but what else could it mean? Do you want to— do you want to unpack what it meant to you, or, you know, what you believe now? Because You've gotten such a breadth of experience and learning.

Yes, I'm glad you asked this. Even when I said clean up your diet, I thought that's, that's tricky. Eat healthy. What does that mean? So I, for me personally, what I did is I started by eliminating the 7 known allergens: gluten, soy, dairy, peanuts, corn, sugar, and eggs. You don't have to take them out forever. Don't send Debra hate mail. Um, but try it. I, I tried it for 3 weeks. Then you gradually do a reintroduction. You find out what is bothering you, and it may surprise you. I was surprised to find out that some things I thought I could eat really bother me. And then you, you kind of determine what's worth it. If you're going out with your girlfriends and you want to have some bread and some ice cream, that's that's up to you. But for me personally, it's going to disrupt my sleep, and I need to know that. I, I have also shifted my eating window a lot earlier, so I'm done eating by 5:30. If I eat too much later, it is going to disrupt my sleep. And, and that's something you can play with too. Make sure you're getting your protein because that is going to fill you up. Once you cut out all these other foods foods, you need something nourishing to fill you and sustain you. And the science behind eating protein is clear. So I personally, I'm trying for about 150 grams a day, and that's where I feel comfortable, where I feel full, satisfied, and energetic.

That is so good. I want to come back to, to something that you said, that I've always been a fan of both, and I want to put this out there. So I think sometimes you can do, of course, testing, lab testing for food sensitivities, you know. And there is like a 90 test, a 90 food test, there's a 150 food test, and of course they get more expensive the more you're testing. But there is benefit to doing both. But if I had to choose one, like if you were going to just do one, I would definitely make it the elimination diet. Like, your body doesn't lie, it gives you those clues. But the reason to do the lab tests— and this was from a good friend and colleague of mine, Margaret Floyd Berry, who is from Restorative Wellness. She trains practitioners on what lab tests and when to do them and why. But her point once, in a quote that I will never forget, is Food sensitivities sometimes don't show up like immediately. Like there are all those obvious ones. You eat eggs and it like goes right through you. Okay. You know, but if you eat eggs and you don't have a reaction until Sunday and it's Thursday, there is no way you will ever figure that out. It's just, you've eaten too many other foods. You've had mixed foods at that meal. We don't eat in isolation. And so the value of of detective work from both, you know, your elimination and then reintroduction and the lab work together can really help you solve things a lot faster. So I would say that to everybody, not just to myself. But I think also we need to take into consideration as females what you did or tested when you were— let's say I've done this whole food thing, I did you know, it's so, you know, 2010. Okay, but your hormones in 2010 were different than they are now. It could be impacting your gut and worth doing again if you're going through a period of much greater stress right now, or you were then. Things could change. So I say that not to be negative, but hopefully to be optimistic that you could repeat a test that you've done before, felt like it didn't tell you anything, and it might give you some results today that you couldn't have gotten then. So I so appreciate you sharing that. That was really a great point, I think, to drive home for everybody.

I would also add that you want to pay attention— pay attention to your sleep, pay attention to how you're recovering after your workouts, pay attention to how feel when you wake up, because you may go through different periods of stress. Or I had pneumonia recently and a round of antibiotics that wiped out my gut. And when you're paying attention to the changes and how you feel, you can immediately know that something's off.

I feel like I'm having serendipitous conversations today. This is so interesting. And let me tell you that it is so 2025. But the first conversation was from Instagram. I'm gonna tell you about a post that I made just a little bit ago this morning. And then a friend out of the blue, a colleague called about potentially collaborating on a project. And I said, I can't believe you called me. And I can't believe you're saying what you're saying. You should go look at my Instagram post because we're both on the same wavelength. And now this, and here's why I'm bringing this up. Right now, I think it is so easy to be in the middle of this storm of, no, I'm right and you're right. And influencers are almost like they're fighting on purpose, it seems, so they can go viral because controversy gets more views. And, you know, there's a little bit of, well, I want to be right, and no, I want to be right. And, and, and I'm seeing it everywhere. I'm seeing it in like researchers, like actual scientists, are responding to someone else who may be in the public eye right now, having just made a New York Times bestseller and credible in a certain venue or avenue. But yet it's like, but the two of you bickering back and forth seems to just take you both down a notch. Like, I don't want to hear this. Like, you know, if we can be adults about it, and let's just have a panel and respect, you know, and talk about it. But it's like nobody wants to do that. It's a little bit like the elections. So we are left to make our own decisions. And, you know, I think you've alluded to this from the very beginning. You know, it can be confusing to sort it all out and you keep gathering information. But I want to challenge everybody, said with respect, okay, said with respect, that sometimes We're scared to take a step or to make a move or to make changes because change is one of the hardest things we do as humans. Even though we know I want to change my results, we don't always want to change our actions day to day, the habits that feel very comfortable to us. And so gathering information is almost like I can hide behind this because I'm now confused and I don't have to make a change if I stay here. So I'm calling myself out. I'm calling out any of you that might fit that. It allows us to stay stuck when we do that. So just, just gently with yourself. And hopefully, as a friend, I say this to all of you who are listening, take all the information in, but ultimately find the thing that resonates with you and just pick a lane and take in action, and you might eliminate that one doesn't work at some point, but you will make some kind of forward progress and discovery.

Yeah. Yes. I once had a friend say, I just don't want to go back to feeling the way I felt before. And that really is how I feel. I, I don't even miss cutting those things out because I don't want to feel that way. I know what makes me feel good because I tried and, and it's easy. It's, it's easy to just test these, these small things, and you don't have to make a lot of changes, just a couple tweaks here and there, and you may see huge progress that just kind of snowballs into bigger things. And we're, we're at the prime of our life. This is when we should be feeling our best. So take every step you can to live the best life you can possible, because we have a lot of life left to Yes.

And thank you for saying that because, you know, there's never been a better time to be the age that you are right now. Right. I, you know, and you look at this now and you, I think if you turn back, do you remember when we all turned 30? You're like, that just seems so old. And my son, you know, having adult kids, it gives you a whole new perspective. I think we can all agree. But, you know, like they turn 25 and they're like, I'm so old now. It's been 10 years since high school. I'm like, get out, get out, just get out. Like, are you serious?

You know?

And I think I just read a post by a personal trainer who wrote, having been a trainer for a whole year now, you know, falling back on his experience. And I was like, oh my God, I need to seatbelt myself into this chair or I'm gonna fall on the floor. But yeah, I mean, we have the good fortune of the life experience and the wisdom, but even better, I think we can laugh at ourselves now. We are okay with not having all the answers and asking more questions. It's, it's such a great time. It's, you know, and who knew, right, that, that this is the way it was gonna be? So this time has time has absolutely flown, Laura. Yes. Is there— and I, I, again, I thank you for coming on. So this is not, you know, a regular occurrence. I would love it to be. So if you happen to be listening, you, you've tried a product or something that we've recommended, or you've had just an aha moment from something said in a podcast, a guest that was here, you're experiencing something that you feel other women in menopause would benefit from, and sometimes you may not see it I will. I encourage you to reach out because the more we hear, I think, from each other, the, the better. You know, it's wonderful to have experts here, and I, I'm blessed to have good expert friends, but I think it's also just— let's hear from somebody who might live next door who's just like you, and you chat over the fence. So is there anything that you would want to add to somebody listening who is maybe skeptical of trying something, taking an action, or who feels a little stuck maybe where they are right now?

I would say take your, take your first step to thrive and, and don't look at everyone and feel like they have it all together, especially when you're in perimenopause. I feel like you feel like you're by yourself and it's, it can be confusing, it can be hard, but Like we just said, this is our best time to live. So take that next step and, and live your best life. And if you're not sleeping, do everything you can to fix that first, because that is going to clear up your mind to live your dreams. Amazing.

Laura, again, thank you so much for being here and being so transparent. It was so very helpful and refreshing.

Thank you for having me.

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