The New Menopause Therapy: Confessions of a Femme Fatale

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Thank you for having me.

I am so excited to unpack this. First of all, listeners, you're in for a real treat. You've heard the introduction and the bio, so you know that this is— we're probably not talking about muscle today. We're talking about something else and something equally as powerful and as, as moving. But I really want to dive into, first of all, how did you come to be a storyteller, a performer? Where did this all happen? Did you know this was going to be a part of your future as a little girl, or did this evolve later?

I've always been a storyteller because I grew up in a family of storytellers, old Black women from the Alabama, Mississippi, Jim Crow South. They were undereducated, but they had master's and PhDs in storytelling. So, if you grew up in a household where people speak French, you speak French. So, I spoke storytelling, but I didn't think it was a thing. It was just a way we— the style of communication that we had with each other. When I realized that storytelling was my path, my purpose, and my calling was, I think it was 2012 when I was on stage. I think it was Austin, Texas with The Moth. And I was telling my story of grief and loss. And I remember I could hear a pin drop. I noticed that everyone was leaning forward, waiting for my next word. And all of a sudden, it was like, "Oh, you're a storyteller." And then when I started to get emails from people all over the world thanking me for telling my story, I figured out, "Oh, storytelling is a service." This is what I'm supposed to do. This is what I love. This is what— this is my calling. It's my purpose. And so I didn't know what to do with that information. But one morning, I was sitting in a friend's garden, and it occurred to me, what if you could— what if there was a place where people could listen? And tell stories, stories that would make a difference, stories that would connect humanity, heal and transform community. What, you know, what would that be like? And as I began to muse around that idea, it took hold of me. Now, I didn't have any money. I was living in the basement of a friend's house because Wall Street had crashed. As an artist, we're always on the front line. Of loss. I noticed that Detroit was coming back from emergency management, Flint water crisis, water shutoffs, gentrification, people leaving the state, uh, decreased tax base. I was also coming back from the dead because I had lost my mother and My son died 9 months later. So Detroit and me were— wanted to live again. So I thought, oh, if storytelling could begin to heal me, could begin to forgive me, could it do the same for the city of Detroit? And then that's when I founded the Secret Society of Twisted Storytellers. We started with 45 seats. 13 years later, we're producing monthly. The Charles Wright Museum with 300 people. We have also done events with 1,000 people. We do Black History Month at the City of Southfield for 600 people and other programming that we do. I also facilitate storytelling workshops for all, all kinds of organizations, faith faith-based, universities, businesses, individuals, because everybody has a powerful story that if they told it, it would make a difference. But everybody doesn't know how to tell a story. And that's where I come in. And I use storytelling for different purposes, whatever, right? For whatever the client needs. It's a user-friendly thing.

Yes, and this is something that our health coaches, personal trainers who are here, fitness instructors trying to build the business, you know, this is one of the keys, and this is how you survive AI. AI doesn't have stories, right? And so you, as a unique individual, this is how you connect with the audience that you're gonna love working with and those who would love working with you. And so I'm gonna encourage you to go and check out Satori for different reason for— so there are multiple layers here. So any of you women listening who are in still a vocation and/or maybe who are just influencing children or grandchildren right now, storytelling is powerful in so many ways, you know, family, legacy, business connections, relationships. I couldn't agree more. And I think nobody— who said it? I don't know who said it first, so many have said it since, but You know, people don't remember what you say, but they remember how you made them feel. Stories make somebody feel. Statistics make their eyes roll back in their head. You know, they may pay attention for a moment, but they're probably not going to remember that. But they could remember the image they had of you in a story that you were telling. And the best part is, tell me if I'm wrong, Satori, that the value is really You tell a story, but the listener sees themself in it.

Yes, I know you've experienced this, and probably everyone in your audience. Someone will say, do you remember when you told me? No. Well, yeah, I, I took that to heart, and I did A and B and C. Sometimes we tell stories We have an intention. We have a message. And somebody will take that message and they will see something else in your story, something else you said. It's like art. You stand before a piece of art and maybe the artist did it for A reason, but you're getting B out of it. You know? Matter of fact, I did a bodybuilding contest in the figure category at age 50. I was— you talked about grandchildren. I wanted to leave my granddaughter a photo of me at 50 and, you know, cut up and beautiful and so that she could see. And I also wanted to inspire women that whatever you imagine, because all of us have an imagination, you know, and, and sometimes it just takes hold, and you have to do it. So the first time I attempted the bodybuilding contest, I didn't know you needed supplements and all that stuff. And so I failed. I got weak and I got sick. And then the next time I did it some months later, I hired a trainer and I got all of the supplements and I got all of the, the diet and I got all of the things necessary to, to be successful. And I came in second next to a 36-year-old.

Oh, well, nicely done.

Yes.

So good. But importantly, you felt good about it.

Yeah, because the contest is over, right? The day you walk into the theater to present yourself, you've done all the work. So it's up to the judges. And I appreciated that the people walking out said, "You got robbed." Oh, that's always a good feeling. It is a good feeling. But it was a good feeling. To do it because what I learned out of doing the bodybuilding contest was faith. Because before that, faith was a concept. You know, what is faith? How do you get from here to over there where you want to be? And so bodybuilding taught me that love is discipline. Discipline is love. And if I eat this, I'm not going to achieve that. So I think that might have been our mic drop today.

That was very good. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. So I learned that faith is— it's an action item. It's not something you sit back and go, oh, and hope and hope and hope. It's something that you do. Hmm.

So good. Yeah, I love that. And so I want to circle back around to, you your project here, that Confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale. You use humor, as anyone might guess, it's very subtle, but I'm sure you've got it here. You use humor and truth to convey a message about menopause and aging. You know, topics until what I would say about 19 or 20, 24, you know, were shrouded in silence. We now are speaking menopause out loud. Oprah has shouted from the mountaintops, you know, and if Oprah says so, we know it's true, right? So why did you choose like stand-up storytelling as the format for this message? And why now? Why now for you? Why now for your audience?

Um, I am a stand-up comedian. I'm a storyteller and I am a singer. So I used all three of those forms of expression to tell the story. And there are the things that just are inherently funny about menopause. For example, being on a date and all of a sudden you have a hot flash and you're just sweating. Which could be embarrassing when you're on your first date with a guy and you have to excuse yourself, or you don't and you just sit there and all of a sudden you're just, wow, you know.

Now, so first of all, did that really happen?

Yes.

Second of all, was there a second date?

Um, I don't remember.

Okay.

I don't remember. It probably was. I was fine. You know, very pretty. He might have interpreted that sweat as him being hot.

Oh, man.

Who knows?

Most likely.

Yes. So I used what I am to tell the story. And the skills I've acquired and have honed over the years. Why now? Yeah, because now is when it happened. I started writing the piece in 2018. I was ready to do it in 2021. But I didn't know how to get it to the next level. And so I, I then kept writing I got dramaturgs, a couple of dramaturgs, to look at the story and make recommendations.

Okay, wait, you have to tell me what that is.

A dramaturg is someone that looks at your play, looks at your piece.

Okay.

And they say, this works, this doesn't, red line, red line, red line.

Ooh, ouch.

But I love the fact that one of the dramaturgs, Allison Sealy Smith, She said, "Usually, I have my red pen, but in this case, I didn't because I had spent so much time writing and rewriting and rewriting that it was pretty much what I wanted to say." And then, I had to find a theater to perform it in, which I— luckily, the Detroit Public Theater had a program where they would give you the theater for very cheap and a tech crew. So I performed it live and filmed it. Black Pepper Studios, Jonathan Jewel Chatton was the director, and we had a 5-camera shoot over 3 days, 3 performances, and it took 2 years to complete post-production, find a distributor, And here we are, June 12th, it was released. So when people say it took 10 years to make this film, I used to go, 10 years?

Now I understand the overnight success. Okay, so when you are writing that, did that, did that happen because you wanted to tell a story as it was happening to you, almost for yourself first, or Do you now, or did it evolve into something that this is what I want a listener to feel when she hears?

Well, when I first was experiencing the symptoms of perimenopause, I went to my mother to ask because some of the symptoms can be very scary. They show up differently in every woman, but I had a palpitating heart, you know, hot flashes, night sweats, mood swings, insomnia. And, you know, you, you hear menopause in the ethers. So I asked my mother, is this, you know, what is this? It's scary. She said, well, it sounds like you're at the beginning of the change in life. And I said, well, is this how you felt? She's like, I don't remember. And then I ask other women, oh, I'm too young. And clearly they weren't. Or some women would say, I refuse to go through menopause. And I'm trying to figure out if you're lucky enough in that, how can you refuse what your body is going to naturally do? Women didn't want to age themselves. It was taboo to talk about it. It was a stigma. And it was a stigma and taboo because women wanted to be— women were performing for the patriarchal lens. And the patriarchal lens, when it looks at a woman, finds her value in being perky and juicy, being able to reproduce, being able to— oh, your muscles are so big. You're such a smart— they, they want you to reduce yourself. The patriarchal lens— I'm not putting down any individual man. I'm just saying that in terms of society, in terms of the way roles are assigned, this is a man's world, as they say. So, um, to women, to, you know, historically, to survive, had to perform. And during that time that I was going through perimenopause, there were a bunch of books. Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus, Catch and Keep Them, The Rules, all kinds of books that sort of supported the patriarchal view. And, and I remember reading maybe 40 pages of Men Are from Mars and throwing the book on the floor and jumping up and down on it. It was telling me I had to be a little girl forever.

I won't tell you that Dr. Gray has been a repeat guest here then. I won't.

Tell them what I said.

You know, I might hold off on that, but yeah, but you know, something interesting that you said there made me think that it is this patriarchal, hierarchical viewpoint, but it's not all a man's fault. No, women buy into it too, or we have.

Absolutely.

Until we stop and ask a question about that. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I say that more for listeners. Yeah. I want you all to hear that it is not about saying men do this to us, it's that we also do this to us, right?

It wouldn't be successful if it didn't have the support and participation of women, but It's, it's men. I don't think it's healthy for men either, because men have to deny their feelings. They have to, they have to perform too, to other men. They have to be masculine. And some men are just— I mean, I'm not saying some men are not masculine. I believe all men are masculine, but all men aren't I'm going to punch you in the face. And I, you know, and so there is a certain thing men have to deny in order to fulfill this role that patriarchy demands. So I don't think it's healthy for men or women, but men and women buy into it because it does serve the man and it serves the woman who serves the man. You know, because if you're in proximity with power, then you don't want to give up that power. You know, if you're married to a man with status and money, you don't want to give up that. So you find a way to live with yourself and live with live with this.

This brings up a really good question because I think right now, like, at the pivotal point when you started writing that and you delivered it, and so now you're kind of living it for a little bit longer, you're kind of living your hot flash moment a little bit longer than you might need to. But I think that there are a lot of women who find themselves at midlife looking at decisions they've made, feeling sometimes that they may have outgrown some of those earlier decisions, and be in a moment like you describe, realizing this is not— I don't want to keep going down this path, that I'm more. And I, and I think it is not coincidence that that happens. At the same time we're going through this menopausal change. It's just, it's like change in so many areas of our life come to happen. So I'm gonna circle back to you. What is it, or what, what is it that you want for women to think or feel or do after watching Do you have a question for a podcast? A question you'd love to ask, or maybe a story you wanna tell? Did you know we have a special group just for podcast question roundups and the answers? My community coaches and I provide answers daily inside of this group, but it's also where I go when I occasionally say, okay, open call for podcast questions, or tell your story. Would you like to be a guest? So if you're looking for a community of women who are also interested in optimizing their health, strengthening their mindset and looking forward to every new year. Join the Flipping 50 Insiders group. That's Flipping 50 Insiders on Facebook.

Well, I wrote— I, I made the film as a promise to my younger self. As I said, these women that I spoke to didn't remember And they probably didn't. And/or they had reasons why they didn't want to talk about it. And I needed some information. I needed support. So I wanted to leave something for younger women, the women coming behind me. And then it— and then I thought, oh, I can't write about this until I get to the other side. Because I'm in it. So when I got to the other side, that's when I discovered what menopause offers. It— it should be a rite of passage. It should be like— like there's a bat mitzvah. There should be a menopause mitzvah. Women should be, yay, because we're stepping— we have now embraced our power. We have now— we are fully self-expressed. We can show up in the world. We're showing up as governors, as presidential candidates, as CEOs, people like you, grandmothers, people who have their hand on the pulse of the growth of this society. And so we, we're not able to tolerate being lesser than we really are because we have a purpose to fulfill. And so I say menopause is a rite of passage. It lends itself to— I mean, there are women who I know, 3 artists in Detroit that I know who started painting in their mid-50s and selling those paintings for $10,000. And never painted before.

Yes, please. I'll have what she's having.

Yeah, maybe they did draw, maybe, you know, but they didn't make it a priority. Now we have that freedom. Here in Michigan, I'm part of the Michigan— I work with the Michigan Women's Commission because our governor, Gretchen Whitmer, has made it an initiative to go across the state of Michigan doing town halls, informing women and giving information. She has panels of doctors, menopause doctors, clinical psychologists, sex therapists, storytellers, researchers who specialize in this area because menopause is a serious journey. I mean, you know, women have terrible symptoms or they don't recognize the symptoms. It can lead to heart issues, it can lead to breast cancer, and there's no insurance for it. Doctors get 1 hour of training in menopause, and if that— the largest demographic of women in the United States are women in some stage of menopause. 6,000 women in menopause every single day. Can you imagine if we had the information how large that community would be?

We're getting there.

We're getting there. Yes. But first we have to start to talk about it. First we have to start to share our stories about it. So that it becomes normal. Mm-hmm. I'm this age, I'm going through this, and this is what I'm doing. These are the remedies that I'm doing. We can hardly get the women out of the town halls because they're asking questions. They want to know this or that. Their doctors have prescribed things for them that they are uncomfortable taking or misdiagnosed them. Or something, because some of the symptoms look like something else.

Mm-hmm. So very true. Yes. And those, you know, there used to be a list when I started. We, we train trainers and health coaches to become menopause fitness specialists. And, you know, there was a list of 34 symptoms, and we now know that that is probably in the hundreds of, you know, symptoms now because they are so remote, so, so bizarre that you would never put them together, and that physicians don't put them together. It sometimes takes 2 to 3 years for a woman to simply get diagnosed that, oh, you're in perimenopause, and that's it. Like, you know, and not quote-unquote that's it as in dismissed, but at least 'Now we know. Let's look at, you know, what we can do to treat you.' You have been— you've been in some big rooms. So you recently attended an intimate gathering with Halle Berry, who's immersed herself in being proactive and speaking out about the need for education in menopause, but with Halle Berry and Governor Whitmer to discuss women's healthcare in menopause. So let the audience members sit like flies on the wall. You know what occurred in those conversations? And how do you help the film contribute to that growing cultural dialogue?

Well, Halle Berry told her story of being misdiagnosed. Yeah, herpes, which caused a little kerfuffle with her partner, whom she loves very much, until it took 3 days later, they both were cleared of having any kind of herpes. And then she persisted to find out what is this that's happening with me. And she finally found a doctor who told her she was in menopause. And she spent— I think she says she spent $16,000 on remedies. Now she can afford it, but can, can the regular woman afford it? There were panels of doctors researchers. There was a doctor there who had been participating in the SWAN study for over 30 years and his findings, menopause doctors, a clinical psychologist, because menopause, what, what has been discovered is that billions of dollars are lost in women in the workplace, right? Because women are— they get one of the symptoms of menopause is depression. So women quit their jobs sometimes, or they don't come in for a couple of days because the cramps and the periods are very heavy.

Brain fog, right?

Brain fog. And it's all kinds of things. And if you don't know what's happening, to you, it's scary. What is going on? Why when I walk in the room, I can't— I don't, I don't remember why I came in here. And you just stand there for a minute trying to retrace your thoughts to figure out why you're— what is— what am I doing?

I love this. I wish we could say that every state was being as proactive and, you know, actually doing something like the state of Michigan. It sounds so encourage our listeners who, you know, are in other states and/or in Michigan taking advantage, that you're looking around and you're looking at, you know, what are your politicians doing and helping you, and how are we breaking through this? Because we have had a moment earlier this year. Everyone here, I'm gonna guess, may have heard or watched themselves, you know, Oprah hosted a panel of women, and many in the audience were also experts she tapped into. But that's like, you know, putting in the New York Times, yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. Everybody's awareness is heightened, you know, because we were bringing it into primetime. You know, we have, we have actresses like Drew Barrymore having hot flashes on national television live and just rolling with it. I mean, that, that brings it all forward for everyone. So I love what we're seeing in celebrities and, and in those who are helping. But I want to take a dramatic pivot, if you'll go with me, because as much as I want everybody to go first of all in to watch the livestream— we'll make sure there's a link there, you can get there through Chatori's website, and we'll make sure you've got that in the show notes— but I want to pivot because You are on a meta level, you are an audience member, you are a listener here just like her. And yet, like you're doing and facilitating and supporting women on a kind of a local level, to all listeners who have, have had some kind of artistic expression and put it aside to drive the minivan, run the family, run the household, do the work, you know, what would you say to them? You have this wonderful story of moving between music and theater and television and now film. What keeps you pushing creative boundaries? What's, what's next for you after this project?

Well, before I pivot and answer that question, I want your audience to know that my film is not about the clinical aspect and the pharmaceuticals and all of that around menopause. My film examines a lot of things. It talks about a lot of things women don't talk about— postpartum depression, sex, who I— who am I sexually in relationship to a man. It examines my mother being 50 and me being 14 when we were growing— when I was growing up. So she was in perimenopause and I was coming into puberty. So you can imagine how we were on opposite sides of what it is to be a woman. So my, my film is made not only to inform and to educate, but to entertain. So I want people to know that. How— what would I say to women who put aside their lives to raise children and this and that and the other thing?

And they've, they've squashed maybe that creative part of themselves.

I would say don't do it. I would say don't, don't do it. I have watched women do that and then regret it later in life. Now, when you're raising your children, they only know what you teach them. So if you teach them to squash your artistic pursuits, they're going to learn that mom squashed her artistic pursuits. But if you raise them to know that you need to do what it is on your heart to do and provide, make sure you're responsible for raising those children and getting the support you need. But don't, don't stop. Don't, don't, don't do that to yourself. I didn't do it because as an artist, I'm compelled. There— I— there is— I cannot not do what my imagination compels me to do. If the idea is delicious, I have to do it.

You may be talking to a lot of women who will say, too late. I already did that. I did that 25 years ago. What do they do today?

There's never too late.

Mm-hmm. How do they get back to it? Any tips?

Because it comes up for them. Like I said, I did a bodybuilding contest at 50, and I did it to challenge myself because I was in the gym every day. 3, 4, 5. And I was like, this isn't fun. Let me put a challenge in front of me so that each of those reps brings me closer to a goal. You'll go, I always want, you know, I always wanted to paint. I always, you know, I knew I was a lesbian, but I've suppressed that. Now I'm going to be a lesbian. I'm going to be— I'm coming out. Or whatever it is that you find, it's always there. So some women are successful in bringing that forward and other women sort of don't. So I just, I just encourage everyone to get out there because you're at an age and a stage You have lived an experience and you have the power to do whatever you want to. And you have the humanity to fail at it. But failure is a platform for success. Mm-hmm. Failure is just another stage. It's just something along the way on the road to success.

Mm-hmm. If you— I would say, yeah, I would say that for women who might be in their 50s or their 60s, that— and I have to say personally, for my 60 has been like, I don't really care what anybody else thinks. And it's so— it's a moment when it's okay if I try this and fail this, but it's not okay if I don't try this. Because thinking— there is something to urgency. Right? And I don't mean that in our time is running out, feeling like it's too late to do that. I mean, it just is like, no, no, no, I have to make every, every year count, every minute count. So why would I waste my time thinking about what is somebody else thinking about me? And, and if they like my hair, they don't like my hair, or, you know, thinking I want to do this, but should I? Or 'Will I be okay doing it?' It really doesn't matter. It's the doing it part. Yeah, so, so awesome to have you here. Okay, you need to tell, tell all of our listeners first of all where they can find you and stalk you. So socials, your website. We of course will put the link so that you can watch Confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale. We'll put that in the show notes so you'll get there. But where can they find you otherwise?

You can find me, and please stalk me, satori-shakur.com or, and twistedtellers.org.

So great. Okay, everybody, you got that. You heard it here. So start harvesting your stories, first of all. You probably have gold. It even helps, I think, to write them down. Even if you do that first and don't know what you'll do with them, you may realize someday that story fits in right here.

Tell them to your children. Tell them at family gatherings. Tell them in the shopping, uh, in the cash checkout line at the grocery store. I've done that. And made the cashier's day. Because once you tell your story and open up, then people will tell their stories and open up. It's just what happens.

So awesome. So great to have you here. Thank you so much for your time today.

Thank you.

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