3 Reasons to Start Your Kitchen Garden in the Fall (Not the Spring!)

Welcome to the Grow youw Self podcast. Surprising stories about the food we eat and inspiring conversations about what it really takes to live the whole and happy life we're all craving. I'm Nicole Johnsey Burke, your host and the owner of Rooted Garden and Gardenary Incorporated and author of Kitchen Garden Revival. Is it obvious yet? I'm kind of obsessed with the kitchen garden. The kitchen garden may just be the answer that you've been looking for on your own journey to health and wholeness in this podcast. It's going to inspire and enable you to make garden magic right in your very own space. If you're someone who wants to eat more good food that's actually good for you, fill your day with great stories you want to text to a friend. If you want to hear more about inspiring people and do a little bit each day better than the way you did it it the day before, Grow Yourself is what your ears have been waiting for. You won't just learn about gardening here, you'll learn how to make growing as a person a big part of your everyday life. And your life, your community. And your garden, of course, will be all the better for it. So put in your headphones, turn up the volume, and let's take a walk, go on a drive, or just hang out in the kitchen garden together. Welcome to Grow Yourself. Did you know that even though there's no commercials telling you anything about a garden in the middle of October, October and November are actually the ideal times to start a garden. Yes, really. And I'm not just telling you that because I'm a gardener and I run a garden consulting business. It's actually the truth. And you're going to learn why in this episode of the Grow youw Self podcast. It's episode number 42, I think, and this episode is brought to you by the Gardenary Garden Consultants. Since I started my garden consulting company, Rooted Garden in Houston, Texas, my company has an only served hundreds of clients in our city, but I've also trained loads of gardeners around the country and even around the world to help you in your garden, no matter where you live. So as we talk about setting up your fall garden in this episode, you'll also get help from an experienced gardener in your area. You can find a gardenary consultant that can help you@gardenary.com businesses or in a link in the show notes for this episode@gardenary.com Garden now let's get in to the argument and my defense of why fall, not spring, is actually the best time to start your kitchen Garden. Let's do it. Welcome back to the Grow youw Self podcast. In today's episode, I am going to try to surprise you and undo what all the marketers have convinced you is the right timing for a garden. I'm going to talk about why fall, not spring, is the time to set up and start your kitchen. Kitchen garden, believe it or not. Like I said, I'm not just going to tell you this because I run a garden consulting company. I'm telling you this because it's the truth. So in today's episode, we're going to talk about three reasons to set up your garden this fall. Now, I'm recording this in October, and it should be coming out right around the middle of the month. If not maybe toward the end of the month. You've still got plenty of time in the fall season. Winter doesn't begin until winter solstice, which is December 21st. I think that's the darkest day of the year, shortest day of the year in terms of sunlight in the Northern Hemisphere. And so we've got plenty of time, guys, two months here before we're actually even officially in winter. So just because that pumpkin spice latte has been out on the market for a couple months now, fall is still very much here and present. And this is the time to set up your garden, I promise. I first learned about the beauty of gardening in the fall, actually, by starting my own garden in the fall in Houston. We moved to Houston in the winter of 2013, which honestly doesn't feel anything like winter when you're in Houston. It's like so lovely and warm and sunny. So we had a couple of months, actually about nine months, I guess, there in Houston, just working in our landscape. And it wasn't until September of 2013 that we put in our raised beds. And oh my goodness, am I so thankful we started in the fall and not in the summer. Spring. It gave us a full, good, cool season to learn to grow there and to get accustomed to the sunlight that was in our space and the way things grew and really just warmed us up literally for what was coming in the spring. It set me on a path actually to start my business rooted garden in the fall of 2015. So the fall's super, super important to me in terms of the garden and I want you to experience that magic too. Going to talk about three reasons why you should start your garden this fall, even though there are literally no commercials on the TV on Netflix. Well, I guess Netflix doesn't have commercials on Hulu or wherever you see, commercials, YouTube, whatever. No one's advertising gardens right now. In fact, if you probably try to buy some stuff, some garden supplies, people might look at you kind of funny, like, what are you doing? It's not March, okay? Like, the commercials haven't started yet. So the commercialization of the garden garden really won't kick in until like, February, March. And so we see that pattern oftentimes with our clients in Houston, where it's quiet around October, November, December maybe people are thinking about the holidays and cozying up for the winter. They're not thinking about the garden. Then we swing around to February, March, especially March, April, May. And I guess the Home Depot commercials are in full swing, and all of a sudden our phones are ringing off the hook like, I need a garden yesterday. What? We gotta hustle and make this happen. And our team is always looking at each other like, oh, man, we wish they would have called us back in October. That was the time to get their garden set up and growing so that the spring would literally be a breeze. And that's what I wanna teach you how to do in this episode. So, number one, the very first reason why you should start your garden right now and not later is because timing in the garden is everything. Timing really, in most of. Is everything right. Like, if you meet the right guy, but it's, you know, you're like 10, it's going to be a little tough. You got a lot of growing up to do before, before it's time, you know, to settle down and tie the knot, or if you, you know, come across a great job opportunity, but you are, you know, you're. You got three babies at home or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, timing is, is so much in life, so important, and we see that reflected in nature. Timing is everything with plants. All plants have written inside their DNA a particular liking, a particular desire to grow in certain temperatures. And you'll see this in nature if you watch just, you know, no matter what climate you live in, all parts of nature have. Have these, like, little sensors, these nerves that, that wake up and grow and sprout and flourish in certain temperatures and amounts of sunlight, hours of sunlight, and then go dormant in other temperatures. And they' much in the garden that is, is really longing and begging to be settled into the ground and growing in the fall. Believe it or not, when I first started growing native plants and trying to grow more wildflowers in my garden in Houston, I was surprised to find that most wildflowers and natives really need to be planted in the fall. And that's mostly because those plants really want to settle in and kind of lie dormant, get, you know, cozy and used to where they're going to, and then come up in the spring. And that oftentimes, if you wait until spring to plant those things, you're gonna wait an entire year before you will see any flowers from those things that you've planted. And you're always like, I wanna see it now. And so if you're wanting that spring, aha, like, amazing moment, then for a lot of the things that you're looking for, that, with that, fall is the time to get those things going. So timing everything, especially in the garden, and a lot of things in our kitchen garden have very short growing seasons. So some of our clients with rooted garden oftentimes are surprised to learn that, you know, that a lot of the foods that we eat, most commonly in the grocery store, really only have a lifespan of 60 to 90 days, some even shorter than 60 days. And so oftentimes, with almost all plants that we're going to be growing in the kitchen garden, they really have a very short period of time within which a little window within which they can be planted in order to grow to their fullest size and their harvestable size inside of the temperatures in which they want to grow. So if you've read my book Kitchen Garden Revival, you know that I like to divide the garden into seasons. We have cold season plants, cool season plants, warm and hot. And there are a lot of plants that really need to be planted before frost in order to be set up and ready to come out in the spring. And then there are some plants that are going to be needed that need to be planted very, very early in the winter or midwinter in order to come up and be enjoyed in early spring. So oftentimes, if we pause and wait and assume that we're going to set up our garden in March, then we've really missed, you know, if not one, two full seasons of plants that we wanted to enjoy from the kitchen garden. We've already miss that window because we're not getting set up until March or April. So I'm going to walk you through a few thoughts, you know, a few plants that I mean when I refer back to the cold and the cool season. So let's go through and kind of talk about what that timing could look like. If timing is everything, then what am I talking about, Nicole? Like, what's gonna go on in October, November, December, and January in my garden? So let's say that you take my advice and you actually do start to get your garden set up in octo, October and early November. So you're going to lay out your kitchen garden, get your raised bed set up, get great soil in there. So as soon as that happens, depending on what kind of season you're about to enter into, if you're in my rooted garden clients kind of climate, then you're actually just entering to the cool season. So like that first year we set up our cool season garden in Houston for six months. We grew lettuces, we grew root crops like radishes and carrots, we grew peas and tons, tons of herbs and greens for about five to six months. So as soon as we set up the garden in September, October, we were growing those things well into February and March. Now if you're in a cooler climate like I am here in the Chicago area and a lot of our gardenary consultants are, then what you're going to be doing is possibly growing some really short season plants. So you might grow some arugula, some 45 day radishes, some, you know, just small greens that you're going to harvest before frost comes, or some greens that don't mind frost. So you could do some little baby spinach greens, or some kales or other greens that are frost tolerant. You can grow those right away as soon as your garden is set up, which is so awesome. You can turn those into greens powders to save and use throughout the winter, or you can just eat them fresh. It's a great way to fill your body up on good stuff. As you enter into the cold and flu season, then you're also going to be putting things in your garden that are going to stand up under cold season. So these will be a lot of the plants in the Allium family or the Amaryllis family. You'll learn this family in my book Kitchen Garden Revival, if you haven't gotten it already. So you'll, you can plant garlic, you can plant onions, you can plant lots of those bulbs that are going to kind of just sit dormant in the garden throughout the cold season as frost and snow and cold come over the garden. And then you'll get to see first thing, as soon as the ground starts to warm come not even spring, but just as the ground starts to warm up a little bit toward the end of the winter season, those things will be so ready and prepared to come up and to grow to their fullest extent as soon as the ground starts to warm up. So if you want to grow, that's if you're just growing open, like, you don't have a cold frame or frost cloth or anything. So that's just growing with a bare garden. But then if you want to take it up a notch, you could do cold frames or frost cloth. And then the possibilities for the cold season are honestly endless. You can do lots of greens when you have frost cloth and cold frames. You can do carrots under there. You can do other, other root crops like radishes and beets. And you could even do, say, some bush peas like snow peas and sugar snaps. I mean, they're not called snow peas for nothing, you know what I'm saying? So those are some things you can start to right away as soon as you get your garden set up in October and November. If you're in a temperate climate, you get to do all the cool season things like the greens and the root crops and peas without cover. And then if you're in a colder area, you can either just do the dormant crops that are going to just lie dormant and stay there throughout the winter and come up first thing early spring, or you can take it a step up a notch and put in a cold frame or a frost cloth and keep growing throughout the coldest part, start of the year. So great, right? So that's the first reason why planting a fall garden is the best option. The second is that fall plants are fun. In fact, fall plants generally are going to be the best way to get started in the garden. So if you're not familiar inside of gardenary, I've developed a pathway for a beginner gardener. So it's a way that someone could come in and having no, no experience in the garden, swearing up and down that they have no green thumb, could become an experienced encompanic gardener within a few seasons. And that path goes from herbs and leaves, herbs to leafy greens to root crops and then finally to fruiting crops. So the herbs would be things like thyme and oregano and rosemary and sage. And then next up are lettuces and kales and greens. And then we do go to root crops like carrots and radishes and beets. And then finally the fruiting crops are things like tomatoes and squash and zucchini, cucumbers and beans. So if you think about the list I just gave you in terms of the timing, most of the things that I listed out that you're going to be growing when you set up your garden in the fall season are the plants that are in steps one and two of starting your kitchen garden and A few in step three. So you're going to be planting your herbs and especially your leafy greens in that fall, cool season or cold season garden. And then you're going to also be growing some of those root crops, so carrots, radishes, beets, and even garlic and onions. So if you're just starting to garden or you're wanting to bring your garden skills up a notch, if you follow this pathway of first learning to grow leaves, then roots and then fruit, you're going to find so much more success. Because the leaves and the roots you'll find are the things that grow first on a plant, and fruits are last. Oftentimes. What can happen because of the commercialization, because we've all been convinced that spring is the best time to grow, and because most of the commercials point us to the beauty of growing a tomato. Because, yes, it is the quintessential fruit, I guess, of the kitchen garden. Most of us jump in and go straight to growing fruit, which I would say, like, would compare. If you're going to become a runner, it's like jumping in and running a marathon on day one. Fruits take the longest time to grow in the garden. They take up the most amount of space. Space, and they're most susceptible to issues and problems. So when you wait to start till spring, you're basically jumping in and saying, all right, sign me up for the marathon without ever having done the 5k or the 10k or even just doing a mile on the treadmill. So the fall garden, because the fall plants are so fun and easier, it's really a way to kind of start getting you ready for the marathon that's coming in the spring and the warm and hot season ahead. So, like I said, that garden that we did in Houston, that first fall was so good for me because it gave me the opportunity to practice with lots of greens, root crops and peas so that I'd be ready when March came around and it was time to start growing tomatoes and cucumbers, squash and zucchini. So fall plants are fun. In fact, I would say if you were to ask me or probably a lot of gardeners, most of our preferences often are growing greens and herbs and root crops. They're easier to grow, they take up less space, and the harvests are so much more prolific. So instead of having to wait 60 to 90 days to start to get harvest from those plants, you're going to be harvesting as early as 30 to 45 days after you plant them. So even in cooler places like, say, here in Chicago, you could set up your garden, and the soil is still going to be workable throughout most of November, if not all of the month. So you could grow your, you know, simple arugula greens or spinach greens and be picking them before the end of the month in November. So fun, right? So consider setting up a fall garden, like doing your training. It's like getting a jump start on your marathon. So consider it as, you know, stepping onto the treadmill and doing a mile a day versus jumping out in March and trying to run all 26.2 miles. Consider this as kind of your warmup and your preparation for going big in the spring. So that is reason number two is that the fall plants are a great way to start, to get practice and to prepare yourself for what's coming when you enter your warm and your cold seasons. And the third reason to go ahead and start your garden right now in the fall and not in the spring or the new year is because the fall, not January, October and November, not January, are actually the best months to ensure that you keep your New Year's resolutions. So I don't know about you, but I've seen so many people say that, you know, this year, 2020 was a year where, pretty safe to say, none of us could predict what was gonna happen to us in this year. I saw one meme that said, you know, I think it's safe to say that when all of us were asked five years ago in 2015, where we'd see ourselves five years from now, we all got that answer wrong. Can you agree? I definitely. I never would have predicted that I'd be sitting here in my home with all four of my kids, also at home, doing virtual school with, you know, having launched a book basically during a worldwide pandemic. This year has been unlike any other. And I don't know about you, but oftentimes I hit January, and I know I want to have a fresh start. I want to do something new and different. I've got, you know, kind of goals in my head, and I know that. That I want to make this year better than the last one, but I almost already feel behind. Has that ever happened to you? I can remember when I first started to get onto social media, I would jump onto, say, Instagram or, you know, Pinterest or something, and people are talking about their New Year's resolutions, and it would be like, January 3rd or 4th or 5th, and I'm like, oh, shoot. I'm already like, I've kind of already messed up my year. Like, I'm Already five days in, you know, messed up the year. So maybe that's what all. That's what happened to us all in 2020, and that's why this year went down as it did. I don't know. But what I found, I read a blog post a long time ago that said something to the effect of like, any day but January 1st. Basically, like anytime you want to start a new habit, a new, you know, a new growth goal or something new in your life, the worst day to start is January 1st. Basically because it puts this pressure on you, this you, this like undue need that you're gonna have to keep this really nice string of perfection. And as soon as you break it, then you know it's too late and it's not gonna work for you. So I like to say, you know, the time to plan for the new year, the time to make the next year the best, is not to wait until January or February or March. It's to start now, to start building into your schedule and your lifestyle, the things that you wanna have in your life next year so that you want to eat better next year, you want to be outside more, you want your family to be outside with you more, you want to learn new things next year. Let's say we get to next year and we're still home. Or we see changes in our food production as a result of all the things we've gone through this year, whatever it may be, that's woken you up to the goodness of fresh food, of local food, and of growing some of your own. If you know that's on your list for 2020, the best time to be sure that that's gonna happen in the new year is to go ahead and take care of that goal right now in the old year. So I like to say the best way to redeem the coming year is to start to make changes before you get there. So when you can set your garden up now like I lined up for you in the timing is everything point, you're gonna go ahead and have your cool season. You'll have one practice round with kind of your treadmill level. So you'll have this nice practice round with those treadmill level vegetables. Then you'll also have your cold season crops already in the ground ready to come up in the spring. So when you hit February, you're gonna start to see green things coming up out of your raised bed, depending on your climate, of course. If you're in Houston like my clients, then you're gonna have green all winter long. I'm so jealous. But even here in Chicago, I see chives and oregano and garlic start to pop the end of February. And then even in February, you're going to start to plant your plants for spring. So rather than having to wait till the ground starts to thaw and the snow clears and someone can come and help you, you know, to start to get things set up, you can get supplies, et cetera, you're going to already be rolling like you are on the treadmill, you are running your miles and things are actually already planted and ready to to go. Two years ago, I had not set up my kitchen garden here in the Chicago area yet when I was going through winter. So it was winter of 2019 and I had some old kitchen gardens that were set up by the previous owners, but they weren't in the right location, wrong size, shape, everything. And so I wasn't growing anything through the winter. I was just kind of doing a little here and there in terms of inside my home. And I finally got my garden set up in say, mid April. That's what we photographed for my book, Kitchen Garden Revival. Well, I have to say I completely missed the spring season, the cool season that year. It was very snowy here. We got a lot of snow in March, and even in April we got a big snow on April 15th. I'll never forget it. It was three days before we installed the kitchen garden actually, and thankfully it melted within about 24 hours. But we had such a rough winter that year that it was really late before I could get things scheduled to get my kitchen gard set up that spring. And so by the time things were in and everything was settled, I had lost the entire cool season. So within maybe a week or two, we were going to be past the last frost of the year and it was time to put out warm season plants. So it was time for me to jump to the fruiting plants of the year. Things like tomatoes, eggplants, peppers, zucchini, squash. And as you know, my favorite things to grow are the greens. So lettuces and spinach and peas and carrots and kales. And while I did get a ton of kale because we have a milder summer here, I completely miss the spring salad season, which is something I love so much. So this past year I had a completely different experience. My garden was already set up. I went through winter with it. I set in onions and garlic before the winter came. I didn't even cover my garden throughout winter, although I will be doing that this year. And as early as February, I got out with my daughter. And we planted loads of spinach and lettuce seeds and then covered them with frost cloth. Well, I documented the process and really by the middle to end of March, we were harvesting greens. So, you know, right around basically our spring break and just after that, I was harvesting daily spinach and lettuces from the garden. We had so many grains that I was harvesting a salad every single day throughout the end of March, April, May and June. And it was such a great welcome change from the year before when I was just waiting and waiting for those warm season crops to fruit, which as you know, after planting is still, you've got a 60 to 90 day wait before you've got something to pick. So it was just such a great reminder why a garden really needs to be set up and growing, ready to plant in winter, rather than waiting till spring to get it going. Now, if you're listening to this and it's the springtime update, of course, late is better than never. But you know, so many people I think see fall as too late to start a garden. But really I'd like to reframe it as early. Right? Instead of it being late for 2020, let's view it as early for 2021. You know, it really is the way to get a jump start on the new year and to be sure that your New Year's resolutions are kind of already taken care of. So, you know, if you've got some res like eating better, getting outside, exercising more, learning new things, waking yourself up to the wonder of your food, and being part of climate change for good, then this is the time to make sure that that 2021 resolution gets accomplished. You're gonna feel so good being like, check, check, check, check. So that's reason number three is that New Year's day is actually a terrible time to start something new. That inst being late, it's actually the way to be early. So what do you think? Have I convinced you fall is the time? Don't you think I'm gonna call those people who make commercials about garden stuff and I'm gonna tell them to start making them in the fall instead of the spring? Cause I'm gonna say, you know what, you're like, you're setting people up for a little disappointment. Cause they want their lettuce. So let's get everybody setting up their garden in the fall, not the spring, and turn this, turn this thing around and help people see that fall is actually the ideal garden setup time. All right, so if I have convinced you that it is time to set up your garden in October and November. Then here are three steps you can take to get set up and going right away. So number one, if you haven't done so already, I do have to say that you should get my book. So if you're listening to this and you're not reading my book yet, what are you waiting for? My book's name is Kitchen Garden Revival. It came out in May of 2020 and sold like the day it released. It was ridiculous. But the warehouse is now full. We're on our second printing and it's available everywhere. So you can just check out gardenary.com book to get a link to check out. And we actually have free gifts that we give you alongside your book order. So we give you an herb garden guide ebook as well as my six, I give you a year long planting plan book as well. So you can find out details about that@gardenary.com book and believe it or not, there are cold season planting plans in that bonus. So that's the first thing you can do. This is gonna give you this step by step to setting up a beautiful gardenary style raised bed kitchen garden. And it'll be your guide. All right, so the second thing I want you to do is to find a consultant. So if you listen to episode 40, I actually teach you five questions to ask your garden consultant. And, and this may, you know, if you're a DIYer, if you're listening to this and you think I can do this myself, I wanna really encourage you to get some professional help in setting up your kitchen garden. You can totally DIY if you want, but I do think you'll find so much value in getting help from someone who's an expert at gardening in your area. So like I said, this episode is actually brought to you by the Gardenary garden consultants. And you can find the directory@gardenary.com businesses or at the link to the show, not this episode. So find a consultant. If you're in Houston, you should definitely call us at Rooted Garden. And if you're in other parts of the country or world, check out gardenary.com and see if you can find a gardener to help you. We also have virtual coaching. If you can't find anyone in your place or area, we have coaching online where we can help design a garden for you. But getting it right the first time is so worth your time and money to have an expert to help you do that. And then the third step to take is to make a plan first. So I talk about this A lot in my book, but a lot of times when we have a new project we want to do, the first thing we do is go to the store and buy plants. And that's no bueno. So don't do that. Don't go buy anything yet and don't jump the gun. Take a little bit of time to do some thoughtful planning and I promise you you'll thank yourself later. So taking time to plan out where you want your garden to be, how you want it to look, how it's going to tie in with your your home and your landscape and your lifestyle, and then starting to make plans of which things are going to be the most important for you to grow, things you want to prioritize in your first cool season, your first cold season, and then when it comes spring and warm season time next year. So make a plan before you plant. That is huge. And of course you'll learn how to make that plan in my book and with consultant. So kind of sort of these three steps all go together. So those are the three steps. Get my book, Kitchen Garden Revival. Find a consultant to help you and then make a plan before you buy anything. Those are the three steps to setting up your fall garden. This fall, right now, this season, this month. Are you gonna do it? I hopefully. I am so hoping that I have convinced you that spring's not the time to start your garden. The fall is. So let's quickly review. Reason number one to start your kitchen gard in the fall and not in the spring is because timing is everything. All the plants that you love to eat and that are especially good for you during cold and flu season. A lot of those only want to grow when it's cool and cold outside. So by setting up your fall garden right now, you're going to get to grow those and enjoy them and you're not going to be able to do that later. So it's like now or never kind of thing. Or basically it's like now or next year. You know what I mean? So number one is timing is everything. The second reason is because fall plants are fun and they are the best way to learn how to kitchen garden. So the plants that have in their DNA the timing to grow during the cool and cold season are actually also the easiest to grow. They're the leaves and the root crops. They're steps one, two and three in learning how to kitchen garden. So by setting up your fall garden now, you're going to get practice. You are getting on the treadmill of the garden rather than jumping into the marathon that happens in the spring. So fall plants are fun, they're easiest to grow, and you get the most and fastest harvest from the plants that love the cool and the cold season. Then finally, the third reason to start a fall garden and not a spring one is because new year is a terrible time to start something new. Fall is the better time to get a good habit rolling. So when you start your kitchen garden in the fall, you are setting yourself up for success. In the new year, you're setting yourself up for a better new year. And who couldn't use that? So write down the resolutions that you think you're going to want to go for in 2021, if they have anything to do with getting healthier, eating better, making a difference in the climate, changing the way you bring food into your home, cutting down on waste, teaching your children or your family something new. If it's anything like that, anything whole and holistic and healthy like that, then the garden is going to help you achieve those goals. And you don't want to wait until the spring to get that going. So by starting your garden now, you're pretty much ensuring that you're going to hit your New Year's resolution right on the money. So those are the three reasons to start your kitchen garden in the fall, not in the spring. And when you get to the spring and all your friends are, like, sitting around waiting for the ground to thaw or the weather to warm up, and they're saying, man, I really want a garden, you can say, come on over, because I've got kale and I've got spinach and I've got peas and I've got garlic and onions and all the things. So come over and you can harvest from my garden, and I'll watch you wait till springtime to start yours. You don't have to be braggy about it, though. Okay? All right. Thanks so much for listening to the Grow youw Self podcast. Thank you for growing with me and bringing back the kitchen garden alongside me. I hope this has convinced you that fall is a fantastic time to learn to garden. It is literally the treadmill time of the garden, and I'm gonna go get some miles in. Thanks for listening and I'll see you next week. Thanks so much for listening to the Grow youw Self podcast. Don't forget that today's episode is brought to you by the Gardenary consultants. After training, after starting my own business, Rooted Garden, in Houston, Texas, I've trained over 300 gardeners around the country and around the world to help you in your own garden. So if you are ready to start your garden this fall. And aren't you? Yes, of course you are. You need to find a Gardenary consultant who can help you out@gardenary.com businesses you can click on the map and if you can't find one in your space, you can always hire a Coach online@gardenary.com coaches. Thanks for listening to this episode. Be sure to check out the show notes. And as always, I would love it if you would leave a review or subscribe or do any of the stuff that shows other people in the world that Grow youw Self is worth listening to. Thanks again so much for being part of Gardenary. And you. I'll see see you next week.