5 Questions to Ask Your Garden Consultant

Welcome to the Grow youw Self podcast. Surprising stories about the food we eat and inspiring conversations about what it really takes to live the whole and happy life we're all craving. I'm Nicole Johnsey Burke, your host and the owner of Rooted Garden and Gardenary Incorporated and author of Kitchen Garden Revival. Is it obvious yet? I'm kind of obsessed with the kitchen garden. The kitchen garden may just be the answer that you've been looking for on your own journey to health and wholeness in this podcast. It's going to inspire and enable you to make garden magic right in your very own space. If you're someone who wants to eat more good food that's actually good for you, fill your day with great stories you want to text to a friend. If you want to hear more about inspiring people and do a little bit each day better than the way you did it the day before, Grow Yourself is what your ears have been waiting for. You won't just learn about gardening here. You'll learn how to make growing as a person a big part of your everyday life. And your life, your community. And your garden, of course, will be all the better for it. So put in your headphones, turn up the volume, and let's take a walk, go on a drive, or just hang out in the kitchen garden together. Welcome to Grow Yourself. Well, hello there and welcome. Welcome back to the Grow youw Self podcast. What five questions should you ask your garden consultant when she or he is consulting with you? That's what we're going to dive into on today's episode of the podcast. Garden consultants are my jam. They are my thing. I am a garden consultant and I train garden consultants. And you might be asking, what is a garden consultant, Nicole? Well, we're going to dive into the subject of garden consulting and I'm going to teach you five things that you should ask when you meet with your garden consultant. You didn't think you needed a garden consultant. Didn't even know there was such a thing. Well, you're gonna find all out out, find out all about it today on Grow youw Self. I can't wait to dive into this fun episode with you. We're on episode 40 of this podcast. Oh my goodness. And of course, this podcast. This episode is brought to you by Garden Coach Society. We are actually right in the midd recruiting our final class of garden coaches and consultants for 2020. So if you haven't yet found out more about the society, you can find more about it in the show notes today@gardenary.com blog and we're actually right in the middle of our garden coach challenge, so you can jump in. You're about three days late at the time of this recording, but late. Better late than never. That's what we say. So, gardenary.com challenge you can find out all about it because maybe you want to become a garden consultant, especially after here, today's episode. All right, enough of the jibber jabber. Let's dive in to today's episode. Five questions to ask your garden consultant. Let's do it. Welcome back to Grow youw Self. Friends. Thank you so much for listening in and joining me. We are on episode number 40. What in the world? How do we make it to 40 episodes? That means we are pretty far into the year and right on time, I guess, because we've only got like, we're in quarter four now of the year. Three more months, people of 2020. We are going to make it through this year together. I have really enjoyed being with you all year long. I've loved talking with you in this new way. So thank you to all of you who listen. Thank you for leaving a review. If you haven't yet, please leave a review and send me a screenshotardenaryco on Instagram. I'd love to shout you out and share your review with our Instagram people. So thank you for doing that. As you know, social proof is a thing and so every time you, you share your review and your thoughts about the podcast or anything that we do, it's so powerful to encourage other people to give it a listen or a try. So thank you, friend, for your support. All right, today we're going to talk about five questions to ask your garden consultant. So if you've been around Gardenary for a while, you know that we are on a mission to flip the garden industry. Currently, the garden industry is pretty much all about product, product, product, product. There's an episode I did earlier this year called the Problem with the Plant Store. And we dive into this issue there where I talk about the fact that most people start their garden adventure at the store rather than with knowledge and with people. And what we're trying to do at Gardenary is flip that so that instead of starting at the store, you start with a person, a person who knows how to garden, particularly knows how to garden in your particular area. So that's our mission at Gardenary, is to flip the industry and to put people over products. We think product is the very last thing you should go after in your garden. There's so much to do beforehand and if you start with the people part and not the product part, you're going to have so much more fun. I tried to think of a P word there, but I just couldn't do it. So much more power. So much more power. If you start with people and not product. So much more performance. So much more. Oh, gosh, Sorry, guys, I'm going on a tangent here. All right, let's get into it. So you're meeting with your garden consultant and what are you gonna ask them? Sometimes, you know, it's kind of like, you know, I try to get my kids to like go knock on a friend's door and get somebody to play with them or give them a call or, you know, reach out to their friends and they're like, I don't know what to say, Mom. I just don't know to say. So I think sometimes we don't try things or go for things because we don't know what to say. So today I'm going to tell you what to say when you set up your garden consultant appointment. As you guys know, my first business, Rooted Garden, is still running and doing awesome in Houston, Texas. And we are celebrating our five year anniversary this month, which is crazy. And Rooted Garden was set up entirely around the idea of garden consulting. And I just, you know, was a self declared garden consultant back in October of 2015. And since then we have numerous garden consultants that work for us and help people all around our city. So fun. So I'm going to be drawing from my experience as a garden consultant and our other rooted garden consultants and then of course from all the gardenary consultants I've trained around the country over the last three years. So number one question that I want you to ask your garden consultant, someone who's helping you learn to grow in your own space, is number one, what are the possibilities in the garden each month of the year in my town or city? What are the possibilities? Because number one, you're mostly going to be influenced by commercials, both on social media or on the TV or whatever. And those commercials are set up to be nationwide, so they are not regional specific usually. And they're gonna have similar messages, which is March is the time to start a garden and August is the time that the garden is finished. I want you to really broaden your perspective and the way to do that is with your garden consultant. So you want to ask them, can you give me a rundown, month by month, what can be growing in our area every single month of the year? And your garden consultant is going to know the answer to that. So they're going to outline for you what can happen each month of the year. So that means whether you're right now in October or you're meeting next spring or in the middle of the summer, there's always going to be something they can teach you and they can really outline for you what you can grow each and every month of the year in your town or city. This is one of the things we teach. Our primary things we teach with rooted garden on our consults, we call it the four seasons of gardening in Houston. But they're very different seasons than, you know, than spring, summer, fall, winter kind of thing. So we walk through what you can grow each three months of the year in Houston and show the possibilities. So it's a great way to kind of get a big picture, big picture vision of the possibilities in your own garden space and open your eyes to things you probably didn't consider before and help you start thinking and dreaming of what you in particular want to grow. So that's number one. Number two, the second question I want you to ask your garden consultant is, if my goal in the garden is. And then you're going to fill in the blank, what should be my first step? So oftentimes, when we go to the garden or we think, I want a garden or I want to expand my garden, we rarely take the time to think about our goals. So what's the purpose? Why am I wanting a garden in the first place? What experience? What am I hoping to get from it? And then, you know, what are the things I want to pull from the garden? That kind of thing. So figuring out your goals, your why, if you will, before you get started and start buying and digging up and building is gonna set you up for success so much better than just jumping into a design or a plan. So we typically focus around three different kinds of goals in the garden. The first is beauty and aesthetic, because the garden is beautiful, right? So thinking through if my goal is for my garden to be as beautiful as possible, to line up with my home and to, you know, be an add on to the value of my house and my landscape. If my garden is beauty, if my goal in the garden is beauty, what should be my first step? The second goal that we see a lot with clients and we've had ourselves is production. So the goal could be, I just want to get the most out of my space as possible. I want to be harvesting as often as possible, as much as possible. And even inside that production goal, it could be, whether you Want more variety or more quantity. So deciding if production is more important to you than beauty, the way that might impact your decision, your design, and your plan would be, you know, for instance, that maybe you would pick a sunnier spot in the yard that doesn't necessarily look as beautiful or align with your other lines of your landscape and your home, but it's the sunniest, so you're going to get more production out of that space. The third thing that. The third goal that we often set out for our clients and we hear our clients say they're interested in, is the experience. So this could be an educational experience where they just want to learn. They want to learn how a lot of different things grow. They want to learn how the seasons work. They want to see something grow from seed all the way to harvest back to seed again. So it could be a learning experience, an educational experience that you're going for. Another experience that some people are going for is a relational experience. So they might have a preschooler, and they really want to have a garden as a place for connection with their preschooler, a place where they can chat and discover and do chores together and harvest together, things like that. So more relational than necessarily educational. It could be. We've had clients where their parents had come to live with them, so they had an aging mom or aging father, and they're living together now, and they're wanting a garden that's accessible to both of them and that they can go and experience and enjoy the garden together. So experience could be your main goal, or it could be something else. Maybe you've got an entirely different kind of goal for your garden. Maybe you want to make dye out of your garden. You want to be able to grow things that are going to, you know, produce colors for you. So you can dye fabrics or yarns or, I don't know, ribbons or something. Or let's say you want to have a flower cutting garden. So your goal is to be able to go out and cut something from the garden. It can be anything. But the main thing is to kind of take a little bit of time before you meet with your consultant to think through your goals and your primary goal. So it's rare that someone only wants one thing, right? I mean, we're growing food here, so in general, we're all wanting some level of production from the garden. But it is great to rank your goals, right? So that if you know for sure, my number one goal is beauty. I want to look out of my window and love the way my garden looks and be so Proud of it and feel relaxed when I look at it. I want it to be a place where I welcome my neighbors to come visit or host parties or if you know, you know what, I do not want to buy any greens from the grocery for the next six months. Production is my top, top goal. So give me a garden that's going to make that happen. So you can rank your goals and then even kind of try to specify your top one. And then you're going to take that goal and ask your consultant, if my goal in the garden is X, what should be my first step? And they're going to help. You know that. So, for instance, like we talked through, if production's your goal, then they're going to try to maximize your space. They're going to try to give you as much space as possible. They're going to try to help you as much in each space that you're growing as possible. And they're going to guide you to grow things that produce more quantity. If your goal is to connect with someone relationally, then the garden will be more designed around that relationship, right? So if it's a preschooler, perhaps there'll be more, I don't know, more flowers added to the garden, more colors, more children, specific plants in the sense that they'll be planted to interest kids more than, say, perhaps, you know, a production focused garden would. So, as you can see, there are all different kinds of tangents. You could head down all different kinds of paths to go here and setting out your goal for the garden. And the main reason why you want to be developing or designing or creating a new garden is going to help guide your conversation with your garden consultant so much. Now, what if you don't know your goal for the garden yet? What if you're like, hmm, I think it's production, but I think it also could be beauty. Well, you can actually bring that kind of dilemma to your garden consultant and say, I'm kind of having a hard time picking my main priority for this garden and discuss it with her or him, and they can give you some guidance. I'll say from my own experience, I have different goals every year. So when I first started, it was all about the relational experience with my children. They were all preschoolers. They were all home all day, every day. Me and the garden was all about connection and finding ways to give them jobs in the garden, to connect with them, things like that. But as they've gotten older and I've gotten older, then my goals have changed. And you can see as I go along that beauty really has become a bigger priority for me and my garden than necessarily experience or production, although those are still, obviously still important. Okay. The third question to ask your garden consultant is what have you had the most success with in your own garden? And what have been the biggest successes of your clients? So this is going to give you some parameters. It's going to start to put a little bit of, you know, borders around your garden dreams and start to give you a good reality check and understanding of the possibilities. So first, you got the full picture of what's possible in your climate from your first question of what's possible every month in the garden. This question is going to give you a better understanding of what are people like you doing in your town or city right now or in the past? Just asking your consultant what they've had the most success with, what they harvest from most often, what crops have been the most successful for them, and what they enjoy the most from the garden. Part of the the purpose of setting up a consultation in the first place is to gather as much wisdom and understanding from this person who's a few steps ahead of you as possible. So as they share their experiences and their wins and successes, you can start to take notes and understand what will be possible for you too. Then second, asking them what have been the biggest successes of their clients. This is going to help you to start to gauge what your future is going to look like as you start to expand or grow or design your own garment garden too. Because you can see it's not just possible for the consultant, but for students and clients of this consultant, they're having successes with X, Y and Z. This is something that I've learned over the years. In the first few years with Rooted Garden, I really started to get a grasp of what was possible to pass along to other people. I'll have to say, as a teacher, when you start to teach something, any skill, anything that you've mastered or started to understand yourself, there's that period of kind of gray when you're not sure what all is going to be catchable, if you know what I mean. Like what all of that I'm going to teach is my student actually going to pick up on and have success with. It took me, honestly, a good number, probably a dozen or more students and clients with Rooted Garden before I started to see a good pattern. And then it really started to play true. So I would start to see, okay, clients really are not buying any herbs from the grocery store anymore. So that was pretty clear. Six months a Year in that clients were good on herbs, that no matter their level of sophistication in the garden or their level of experience, once I set the garden up for them the rooted garden way and now the gardenary way, they did not buy herbs from the store for the year. They just could harvest again and again and use all that they had from the garden. And then I started to see that they were also having success with greens and lettuces in the right season, that they sometimes almost had too much greens from their garden, so that with the right setup, they were having tons of success with greens. And then I was seeing more sporadic success with things like tomatoes and peppers and beans and cucumbers and squash. Some would have success, some would have less success. And then, as we went on, kind of learned how to set them up more for success and then measure it. So those are patterns that I could share and then kind of reflect on my own experience and realize, oh, that actually was the way I learned to garden, too. So it was from that experience that I set up the gardenary pathway, which is herbs, then salad greens, then a full kitchen garden. And I did that because I saw it in my own pattern of success and then in my students and clients. So it's really great to ask your consultant about their own experience particular to your climate, and then what they're seeing their clients have successful success with as well. Like I said, this is going to kind of reign in your expectations. Oftentimes we'll meet with a client who's just so excited, and they watched documentary on farming, and, you know, they're going vegan or, you know, they have something that's excited them about eating more vegetables and fruit, which is awesome. And they're ready to grow all the things, all the things they want to grow, all the fruit and all the vegetables and pumpkins and squash. And their list is a mile long, and they only want to grow in, like, one bed, one border bed that's 2 by 10ft long. So, you know, they've got 20 square feet of garden and about 2 million square feet of dreams. And so asking a question like this is really going to help you rein that in and understand, okay, what's possible with my particular space and, you know, what are other clients and students doing in my area already? Okay, number four, the fourth question to ask is, if I follow your recommendations, where could I be as a gardener six months from now, one year from now, and three years from now? So, again, we're talking about setting expectations and starting to understand your path Forward. So with the first question, you get clarity on the possibilities for your whole year, right? What's possible in your city based on your climate and surrounding surroundings? The second question helps you to hone in on your goal. Your why for the garden? Whether it's production, beauty or experience, the third question helps you see what's already been achieved, both by your consultant and her or his clients. Now, this question is going to help you start to kind of chart your path forward. So if I take your steps, if I set up the garden the way you teach me to, then where can I see myself? What. What is my path going to look like six months from now, a year from now, and three years from now? With this question, your consultant's going to be able to kind of chart a path for you for what you can learn in a short period of time, a longer period of time, and a couple of years. Again, this is going to help set your expectations and help you not get overwhelmed or frustrated in the first few months of growing, and also help you to see gardening as a long term game. Most adults that I know that take on a new hobby or skill as an adult for most other subjects seem to have a pretty clear understanding that it's going to take a while to master it. For instance, my husband Jason took up running as an adult. Now, he ran some, I think, in high school and college, but he really took it up as a sport he wanted to improve upon in adulthood. And we were talking about this just the other day about, you know, when you first get started learning something. Anyway, I won't go into too much detail, but basically it took him a while. It took him weeks and months to build up the stamina to run a three miler or a five miler. And then it took him a while to up his speed and his efficiency. Before too long, probably six months in or so he was able to run long. And then a year in or a year and a half in, he was able to regularly run a half marathon distance, which is crazy to me. But he built up that skill with lots of practice over time. He knew that on day one he wasn't going to walk out and run a half marathon, right? It took a long time to build up to that stamina. And getting this long term picture for yourself as a gardener is super great because it helps you to see gardening more as a sport, more as a skill that you're going to slowly acquire, rather than something that you're either born with or not. Like that weird idea of a green thumb, right? So this is going to help kind of debunk the green thumb myth and help you understand that you've got tons of possibility and potential in front of you and a super bright future. You just got to stick with it and keep on growing. So let them chart out for you what six months, a year, and three months can look like if you follow their protocol and do the things that they say. The fifth question is honestly my favorite. If a client asks me this, I just want to give them a big hug. Of course, I would never do that right now because of COVID but in normal circumstances, hugs are due. When a client asks me this question. Are you ready for it? This is a question you should ask any expert of any subject matter. Honestly, if you were me, what would you do? If you were me, what would you do? So many times we'll be with a client, and they have their idea of where the garden should be, how the garden should be designed, how big it should be, how small it should be, what it should look like, what they want to grow. You know, they kind of come. It's hard to not come to a consultation without your own initial ideas, right? And we kind of go through the steps, and our goal is to make a garden that our clients love and want. So we have to, and we do. We're happy to, you know, direct the conversation and the planning in their direction. But at the end of the consult, we do try to say, even if they don't ask, we try to say, now, if I were you, I do this. And it's basically just a polite way to say, you know, if you let me boss you, then I would tell you to do it this way maybe, and that might be a different way than you were planning on. This, to me, is the beauty of the consultant. My mom is an interior designer, and she owned her own business. I like to say she was the fixer upper before there was a fixer upper. She. She bought all kinds of homes while I was growing up, and she would fix them up with her interior design, and then they would sell them and. Super fun. So my mom, you know, though she is an interior designer and has helped hundreds of people in their homes, she's often hesitant to help me or to give me her advice. So I'll say, you know, I'm thinking of painting this wall yellow. And she'll be like, that's nice. You know, she'll be like, okay, cool. That sounds like a great idea. And she just kind of goes along with whatever I say. And it took me a Few years to realize, oh, she's actually, she' trying not to like butt in. And, you know, she doesn't want to take over be that mom. So she's just kind of letting me do my thing. And it took a few years and a few big mistakes of my own in my home to stop, you know, from saying, I want to do this and instead say, hey, if this was your house, what would you do? And when I ask her that question, I get such a bit of reply because she's like, actually, the yellow is a really bad idea. So that's really. Anytime you hire a consultant or a coach in any subject or any new skill, it's a great question to ask them. If you were me, what would you do? You're going to get a great question from your consultant. When you ask them this, they're going to step back and say, you know, I actually would put the garden over here, or I would grow this, or I would prioritize this instead of that, or I would, you know, maybe wait a bit or I would start small or I would go big. Who knows what answer they're gonna have? But the great part of their answer is it's based on all their experience. So everything they've done to date in their own garden and all the clients and students that they've helped before you, they're bringing all that to the table. When they give you advice versus just you and your ideas or what you've seen on YouTube or a garden blog, they actually have the practical hands on experience right in your area and they're gonna be able to speak directly your particular spot. So that is it, guys. Those are the five questions that I recommend asking your garden consultant when you meet. So let's review. Okay? And then I'm going to tell you three things that you want to look for when you're hiring a garden consultant in the first place. So first question is, what are the possibilities in the garden each month of the year in my town or city? Number two, if my goal in the garden is X and X could be beauty, production, experience or something el, then what should be my first step? Number three, what have you had the most success with in your own garden? And what have been the biggest successes of your clients? Number four, if I follow your recommendations, where could I be as a gardener six months from now, one year from now, and three years from now? And finally, question number five, and the one you should ask if you don't ask any of the other ones is if you were me, what would you do all right, those are the five questions. Now, let's just finish up with three things that I encourage you to look for when you're hiring, hiring a garden coach or consultant. Number one is that they are from your actual area. They have gardened in your space. Now, listen, when I started Rooted Garden and I started sharing my work on Instagram, I would have people ask me from all over if I did the same thing in their area, and they might be from all different parts of the country or the world. And I was tempted. I was tempted to answer and to give them direction. And to be fair, there are general principles about gardening. And even my book, Kitchen Garden Revival, definitely speaks to people that live in all different kinds of climates. And I help you to chart your seasons wherever you live. But there's no substitute for getting a person who gardens in your town to help you. And that's why I started the Garden Coach Society in the first place, because I realized that I could bring people so far, but that the consultant who lives in that person's town, who's gardening in the exact same climate, so they're having the same amount of rain, the same amount of sunshine, the same amount of storms, the same amount of winter, that person is going to be the best consultant for anybody wanting to garden in that town. It's just like the Uber driver who has driven in, in Nashville, right? He's going to be the best Uber driver for Nashville. He's not going to be that great of an Uber driver in San Diego, right? And the person who knows where to send you with their Airbnb in Chicago is not necessarily going to be the best person to direct you with Airbnb's in Washington State. So local is always best. And so finding a garden consultant who is gardening in your town or city is going to put you so far ahead, because they're going to be able to answer that question. Number one, what are the possibilities in the garden each month of the year in our town or city? They're going to be able to answer that in a way that nobody else can that lives in other parts of the country. So look for a garden consultant that is from your area. Number two, you want to find a garden consultant who's helped others learn to be successful in the garden. My husband and I laugh about this, but there's a difference in someone who is successful in a field and someone who is successful in a field and can teach it. So we laugh about this because in industry, we both have worked in industry, and, you know, people will, like, move up the ranks, I guess, you know, in, in the, wherever we're working. And it's like they're super great at a certain skill but they're actually like horrible at managing. Have you guys ever been in that experience where you're like, so they're really good at doing X but they're horrible at teaching it. And so just because someone knows how to garden or has had success in the garden doesn't necessarily mean that they a really clear and good way of conveying that to you and teaching it to other people. So you want to ask for their portfolio and ask who else have you helped in the garden? Who else have you taught? And show me some of the work that you've done with other clients and students. The third thing I recommend asking when you're hiring a consultant is do you have a plan? Do you have a step by step plan? The best consultants are going to be the ones who've taken all their experiences garden and they've really created a framework from the things that they've learned. So it's not just kind of this mass of knowledge. I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but sometimes I'll ask someone who is very well versed in something in the garden. Like I know I find out they're a farmer or they work at a CSA or they're at the farmer's market or something and they're clearly a master of the trade of gardening. But when I ask them questions, they don't know how to convey that over to me in like a of days. Couple clear four step plan. So you want to ask them, do you have a plan for new gardeners or whatever level of gardener you're at when you're setting up your appointment. Just making sure that they have a clear plan for you and something that is kind of like their signature. We teach this inside of Garden Coach Society that all of our garden consultants should have a framework. They should have kind of a step by step, very simple, easy to follow plan that all their clients can go along with. Because I found that with Ruta Garden Garden with my clients there that it's just so much simpler when you just have a few key steps that everybody goes through it simplifies it and you become a master of it. So those are three questions to be thinking about when you're looking for a consultant. Number one, they're from your area. Number two, they have helped others learn to be successful in the garden. And number three, they have a step by step plan for you to follow. Now, if you're listening to this and you're thinking, I don't know if there is anybody like that in my area. Well, ding, ding, ding. That's why I'm on a serious mission to train garden consultants to start their own businesses around the country. And you can find out on a quick search. You can go to gardenary.com businesses and you'll see all the garden consultants that have been trained by Gardenary to date that are registered in our directory. So you can search by map and pick a state there and see what consultants you can find closest to you. That's my recommendation, is find the ones that live closest to you as possible and start to see people that could help you. They have all been trained in the things that I'm talking about today, knowing how to direct you, how to help you move toward your goals, how to answer the question, if you were me, what would you do? And they've all been trained to have a step by step plan to guide you along. And then if you're a gardener and you're thinking, I could do this, like the things you're talking about today, I could do this for someone else, then you should definitely come and check out the Garden Coach Society. Like I mentioned in the intro, we are recruiting new gardeners this month and we'll be closing our final enrollment for Garden Coach Society in the upcoming days, depending on when you're listening to this. So you can go check out the update@gardencoachsociety.com depending on when you hear this and see if you can sign up or you can take the Garden Coach Challenge, the next one coming up@gardenary.com challenge. We are on a mission to train thousands of gardeners to start their own garden consulting business so that we can do the thing I said at the beginning, so we can flip the garden industry from product to people. And we want to do that by making garden consulting a profitable profession for thousands of gardeners around the world. So pretty fun. I want to become the Airbnb of gardening, where people come onto the Gardenary platform, search for a garden consultant and find them right away and get the help that they need in their garden to move to the next step. That is the vision. All right, are you ready to set up your garden consult? I hope you are. Now you have the five questions that you need to ask your consultant when you meet. And if you don't want to meet with a consultant, I understand. So maybe you could ask yourself these questions or get a group of friends that are gardening near you and you guys have a little discussion. Talk through these five things and pretend to be consultants for each other asking questions. Who. Who said this? Somebody said it's like the quality of your life depends on the questions you ask. I don't know, I. I forget. I'm so sorry. If you're the person who said that, I didn't give you credit. But basically the idea is, you know, when you ask good questions, you get good answers. So starting your garden, planning your garden, thinking about your 2020 right now with some really good questions and setting up your garden consult in the fall rather than in the winter or spring is gonna set you so far ahead and help you plan out the most fantastic 2021 ever. Obviously it's gonna be the most fantastic 2021. Cause it's the only one, but it'll be the most fantastic year. Definitely better than 2020. All right, thanks so much for listening to the Grow youw Self podcast. You're the best. I appreciate it so much. Thank you for making the garden and less about products. I think that we are well on our way to changing gardening and the industry and bringing back the kitchen garden together. So thanks again for listening. Don't forget that we are collecting your stories for Kitchen Garden Revival. We're going to have an episode dedicated to your kitchen garden revival. So if you haven't already, please submit your kitchen garden revival story. You can email it to helloardenary.com and we'll be at Excited to accept it. And we'll be compiling your stories in a fun episode that's gonna tell all your kitchen garden revival stories in one episode. So please send in your story. You can do it via audio, video, both, or just photos, however you wanna do it. But we'd love to tell your story, your kitchen garden revival stories. So send us your story@hellogardenary.com okay. Okay, I'm done. Thanks so much. I hope you have a great week and I'll see you here on Grow youw Self next Wednesday. Thanks for list. Thanks so much for listening to the Grow youw Self podcast. I really appreciate it and I hope that this inspired you to set up your garden consult right away. Don't forget, you can check out all the Gardenary consultants that already have their businesses listed in the directory@gardenary.com businesses and see if you can find one close to your area. Don't forget that this week's episode is brought to you by Garden Coach Society and we'd love to have you in the Society if you're an experienced gardener and you want to learn how to create a business where you teach people how to take the next step in their garden. We would love to have you in the society and you can learn more about signing up@gardencoachsociety.com thanks again for listening to Grow youw Self. I'll see you next week.