How a Corporate Executive Reinvented Herself and Became a Garden Coach

Welcome back to the Grow youw Self podcast. We have one of the world's most inspiring gardeners. You're gonna love her. So let's talk about it. Tell us your name, where you're from, the name of your business, and what your business does.

I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you. My name is Sarah Rubins. I'm from Davidson, North Carolina, which is just outside of Charlotte, North Carolina.

Yeah, my.

My business is seed to sanctuary, and we do garden design, installation, and coaching primarily, so.

Amazing. Okay, so you are a garden consultant. Have you always been a pro gardener?

No.

No.

Oh, my goodness, no.

Did you grow up on a farm or something? How did you become pro enough to help other people garden?

Gosh. I found this book called the Kitchen Garden Academy. Have you heard of it before?

Kitchen Garden? Kitchen Garden Revival.

Revival.

Heard of it? I mean, who wrote it?

Yeah, well, this girl. Seems how she found me. Anyway, truth be told, Nicole, I, like so many people, was stuck at home during COVID Needed to look for something else to do because I was already working full time, and it's like, I'm not gonna give them more than the eight hours a day they deserve. I gotta find something else to do.

Exactly.

And I thought, I'm gonna dabble in gardening. I had never gardened before, ever.

Seriously?

100% serious. I didn't grow up on my grandparents farm. My. My parents didn't garden. I didn't even have an herb garden before.

No way. Yeah, seriously. Okay, so you're in Covid. What do you do for a living?

At the time, I was working in corporate America, technology. I was like an account manager, kind of a. People only came to me when they had problems.

But you're like a fancy girl. You're like in a suit.

Well, you used to be.

Yeah, before COVID And you're like working at a computer in your office 8 to 5. Corporate girly.

Traveling on business.

Oh, you're in business class. You got your suitcase, your briefcase, you're going places, and then suddenly you're stalled in your home and it's Covid.

Yes and no. I actually already was working remotely. My job was a remote job, but I was basically beholden to my office desk eight hours a day.

Okay, so we're in the middle of COVID and you're like, I can be corporate, so I can also be garden. Right. So I'm gonna start gardening. And did you just like, you know, run down to Home Depot and grab some wood and some soil bags and go for it?

Not really. First I Reached out to my neighborhood, like community Facebook page or whatever and said, I want to learn how to vegetable garden. Is there anybody out there that can help me?

Oh, so smart.

And what's funny is I just remembered that I had done that. I kind of had forgotten about it and really nobody responded.

Oh, so sad.

So I had a couple people that, you know, said I can come and they wanted to talk about flowers and stuff like that. I had a landscape guy that I said, could you build me a couple raised beds? I didn't know anything about raised beds. I didn't know that really they need to be more than one foot. I didn't know that they shouldn't be pressure treated lumber. I did it wrong first, but I had success. And I'm like, this is right before COVID hit. So then when Covid hit, I decided, I want to go all in. And I read the Kitchen Garden revival.

Oh, so fun.

And I kept on. I was just so intrigued by the process and just the philosophy around it, the beauty of it. And I was trying to jerry rig my little stupid beds that I had built incorrectly.

The beds are offended. I called them stupid.

I wanted to figure out how could I get a moon arch into my one foot bed? You know, all I wanted was the moon arch. And my husband, God love him, he just said, you know what, Sarah? We've got nothing going on. We can't travel, we can't spend money on anything else. If you want to just rip it out and start all over again, you can.

Good husband, happy wife, happy life. You know what I'm saying? Good job, husband.

So that's what I did. I ripped it out, started all over again and built it exactly to the specifications, page by page, through the Kitchen Garden Revival.

Oh, that's so amazing.

And then I did this stuff that you tell us we all should do. I posted it on Instagram.

Oh yeah. Grahaminthegarden.

And people started reaching out to me saying, oh my God, Sarah, your garden is so beautiful. Can you help me?

You were the answer to your own problems. You were the answer to that Facebook post, right?

Absolutely.

You were like, nobody else came to my aid, so I'm going to come to other people's aid. What a full circle moment, right?

It was great. Pretty phenomenal.

I mean, that's pretty cool. You're like posting and asking for help and crickets. No one's answering. And within a year you're posting and people are asking you for help.

Talk about having imposter syndrome.

That's cool. I love this Story. Okay. So we're now like May, June, July in 2020. Okay. And you read my book. Thank you for following directions. Your garden was beautiful. I remember you posted it in the Kitchen Garden Academy group. And I was. This girl is literally. I mean, it was picture perfect. Beautiful garden. And then suddenly I saw you building a garden coaching business. Actually, I think I saw you put in a garden for a restaurant in Davidson.

Absolutely right. I had walked past this location a zillion times walking through town, and was right behind a restaurant right in the middle of town that had really great visibility and so forth. Next to their parking lot. They kind of had this forgotten plot of land maybe 25ft by 25ft or slightly bigger than that. And I don't know what possessed me to do it, but I woke because I've walked by it a thousand times. But literally, I picked up my phone, took a picture of this overgrown hodgepodge, and sent it to a neighbor of mine that happened to be the developer of this building that the restaurant was in. And I said, hey, Mike, what are you going to do with this sad little piece of land? It needs some love. I got an idea for you.

Love it.

And he writes me back, what are you talking about? I said, come meet me someday in my garden. I've got an idea for you. And he hadn't seen my garden, even though he just lived down the street. But anyway, a couple days later, he walks in to my yard. I'm like, hey, thanks for coming. And we walk around the corner, and I said, this is what I want to do for that little piece of land. And he's like, oh, my God.

Jaw dropped.

Jaw dropped. Because it was exactly like Nicole's gardens are supposed to look. I mean, it was like I followed her little protocol and recipe, and by God, it works. And I was here I am showing it off already.

Oh, my goodness. I love this story.

He said to me, oh, I love that. I would love to do that, but A, I don't know who's gonna build it, and B, you know, then we have a problem with who's gonna maintain it. And right then and there, I started my business. I said, I'm going to. Yes, I started a business to do this. I hadn't started a business to do it yet, but I did right then.

You fake it till you make it. I did. And what do they say? The opportunity of a lifetime. You gotta seize it in the lifetime of the opportunity. Absolutely. That is not the moment to say, oh, I'll get back to you. I'll get back to you. Right. Oh, my goodness, what a cool. I mean, such genius entrepreneur at work. I have to hand it to you to, like, right in that moment, see a place, know the opportunity, show the person. You literally walked him into the potential. Right? So you're inspiring him. You're showcasing your work. There's just so much incredible entrepreneurial skill right there. And so, so fun. Okay, so clearly you're like, you're not just gardening yourself. You're gardening for restaurants in Davidson, North Carolina. So will you bring us through what a year in the garden looks like? What does a year in your garden looks like? We can look like we can start with January.

So quite frankly, in January and February, I kind of use that as an opportunity for rest and rejuvenation and a little bit of, you know, strategy. And I recommend to my fellow gardeners, your garden could use a chance to rest, and you could use a chance to rest. So that's kind of the way January is. February. We definitely are. You know, it's cold, we get some freezing, but it's just a good chance to kind of, you know, give yourself a breather. I would say February, we're starting to gear up, talking about doing planting plans, and what are we going to plant, Making sure that we have. I have my growers growing the plants for me and so forth. I tell you what, March 1st, boom, we are in all of the gardens planting them up for the spring garden. And that's the wonderful brassicas and lettuces and beets and carrots and all the really fun things to get started with. And everybody's so excited about starting in March. Yeah.

Cause we're rested.

Yeah, we're rested.

We took a nap.

Yeah. So what's really funny is that my clients are like, well, I want to plant my tomatoes. No, no, no, honey, you can't plant your tomatoes yet. So I help my clients understand that. And we just watch those plants grow and thrive all the way till, you know, our last frost date is usually April 15th, but I don't trust that because inevitably, we get a late frost, early May. So I am just enjoying the garden then. But, boy, tell you what, May 1st comes, and boom, we are pulling out the stuff that is spent, and we are adding our tomatoes, our peppers, our squashes, all the wonderful, beautiful vining plants and the things that most gardeners, that's what they picture growing. They don't realize that they could be growing things in the spring.

Right.

And then in the summer, we continue to keep those going. I'M teaching my clients how to tend to prune, to harvest, pest control, disease control, all that type of stuff. And then in September, we're pulling out the spent things that happen during the summer. But I leave, leave some tomatoes and peppers in, but the squashes and things like that are usually pretty much done back into bringing in kind of a repeat of the spring crops.

Love it.

Brassicas. And that takes us all the way through basically. November, I just literally pulled out tomatoes like a week ago. And December I'm working on getting the gardens kind of tucked in for the winter. Pull, take out the, just kind of clean them up a bit. I don't pull everything out. I let the roots and stuff decompose because that's good for the soil. Cover it up with leaves and tuck it in for the winter. And then February, we hit repeat.

Then it's like the story starts all over again. Starts all over again, but a little bit better.

Mother nature has it figured out.

I love this. Wow. So really, I mean, what I heard from you is January is like the only month of the year in Davidson, North Carolina, when you're just kind of like not in the garden much by February. By the end of February, you're clearing, you're getting ready, you're prepping, and then March, you're off to the races. And that carries you all the way until November. December.

Yeah. So I tell my clients that we have 10 months, a. 10 months growing season. You certainly could grow more if you want to, but I just find that most people just need it. Just need a little bit of a rest.

Yeah. So would you say it's like mid December till mid February is the two month break?

Yes.

Perfect. I love it. And like we're all pretty busy during that time anyway, right?

Exactly.

Yeah. I love this so much. Okay, so let's say we're right in the middle of like the full. Like when you walked that chef, was he the chef or the owner? The owner. When you walk him into your garden, what would have been. And your garden was just like spectacular at that moment. What was a fun thing to bring inside and make for dinner or lunch or breakfast from the garden during that season? Well.

Oh, that was so much fun. Because actually this was right about the time when people were starting to learn how to behave into this weird new world called Covid. And what could we do? And how could we get together with people? And everybody was feeling so isolated and so forth. And so I started to do this fun thing which was lunch in the garden.

Oh, so cool.

Every week I just needed. I was starving. No pun intended, but I was starving for intentional interaction with people. I wasn't interested in being in a big group. I didn't want to have a bunch of small conversations. I just wanted to sit down with a friend and say, what have you been up to?

Yes.

So what I did was I set up a table on my screen porch outside so it was, you know, outside safe. And I would invite one person over for lunch on a Friday afternoon. And whatever I made was all garden centric. So every quote unquote course out of the lunch. I'm like trying to make you feel like it was a fancy catered thing.

It was like, because we are thinking fancy right now.

No, no, no, no. So like I would start off, of course with you know, some iced tea and it had a sprig of rosemary or, you know, fresh mint in it, you know, and then we would have a little snack and maybe it was like a little piece of crostini with some herb infused cream cheese and a slice of a cherry tomato on top of it. And then the lunch would be, the main course would be like an quiche and then the salad would have of course, spinach and Swiss chard. So each element of the meal had something out of the garden.

So great.

And sometimes I would make like scones with, you know, fresh herbs and stuff in gave me so much joy and it gave my friends so, so much joy. And it just made me realize how much I. The garden gave me joy. It just gave me so much joy and it gave me so much joy to share it with people.

Yeah, I love it. It's so amazing to hear like you're telling this story and all these dishes and I'm thinking to myself, like a year prior to this, this woman didn't even know how to garden. And a year later, like you're helping people through one of the biggest crises we've experienced. Not just with something you've learned to do for yourself, but you've turned this into a community thing. I just think it's phenomenal and I do think it's built into the garden, right? Like there's just something about the way these plants produce that we don't get abundance of everything. But I feel like the things that are successful, they're like overly successful. You know, where it's like I made so much that you're just going to have to call somebody. It like forces community. It's like built in into the DNA of the garden. I just love how you picked up on that, like, immediately. That's. That's so good. All right, so you literally sound like you've never ever, ever, ever, ever had a mistake. Had that F word. You know, the fail. Had something that didn't quite work out. So can you dig way back down into your memory and find at least one plant, one thing that you've grown or maybe that your clients have grown somebody where it didn't quite work out the way you hoped? Just so we can think that you're like a human being and not, like, you know, like a fairy godmother in the garden. Ever had a fail in the garden? She literally can't think of it. No, I can't.

No.

I'm seeing your face here, and I'm seeing the look of, like, I'm searching and searching my catalog in my brain, and there's nothing there.

No, I got it, honey. I got. No, actually, I have so many ideas that I'm trying to figure out which one is the best.

Okay.

Okay.

I feel comforted because when I saw your eyes rolling, I was like, she's literally never had a failure. And I'm feeling, like, a little. A little embarrassed.

No, I've got one. I've got a good one for you. Bring it. I tell all my clients, especially when I'm planting up their spring. Their summer garden, I do not plant summer squash because it is just so difficult with the squash bugs.

Oh, they're so gross.

And they just infest in it, and once they get in, you can't get rid of them. So I have had no success with growing squash. And so I tell myself and I tell my clients, that is a perfect way to support your local farmer's market.

There we go.

We are not planting squash in your garden.

I love it because it's just heartache. Right?

It's just not worth it. You're just not worth it.

You're just asking for heartache.

Exactly. Yeah.

I have plants like that, too, that I just gave up on. And it's like, you know, I tried it, and it didn't quite work out, and it took a lot of space and a lot of time and a lot of effort, and just like, you're moving into the not worth it category.

Well, and particularly for my coaching clients, I don't want them to feel that they are a failure, that they can't garden because they got the godforsaken squash bug. Everybody gets the squash bug, so just get rid of the squash.

Yes. I say this phrase to a lot of people in the garden when they're just getting started, and they think it's their. You know, that it's just not working. They don't have a green thumb. I say it after me. It's not your fault. This is not a reflection of you. It's just nature. All right, so that's one simple little failure. And I can concur. I've only had about 5,000 squash pores in my history. What's a success story? What's a client you've gotten to work with where you were like, oh, my goodness, I could do this a hundred times over? Is there someone you've enjoyed so much that it just made your business work worth all the hard work?

150%. I can't even tell you. I love all of my clients. I really do. I don't have one person that I think to myself, ooh, do I really have to go see them today? No, it's been so, so, so wonderful. But I do have one particular client that struggled with. She struggles with rheumatoid arthritis.

Oh, wow.

And she realized that being outside in the sun, in the fresh air, getting her hands in the dirt, just made her body feel physically better, but it also just made her soul feel better. So she had done patio gardening before, and she found me. And actually, as a lead through the gardenary referral program.

Oh, amazing.

She found me. And truth be told, her garden is. Her home is two and a half hours away from me. So I initially started talking with her about that I would just do a virtual design for her and that she could find somebody up in her neck of the woods to build it and that I could do a little bit of virtual coaching. But the more I talked with her, the more I realized I just wanted to help her. I just wanted to help her. And so I reached out to my crew that does the installations, and I said, I think I have a pretty big opportunity. Would you be willing to travel there for this opportunity? And he's like, yeah, you know, if it's in the winter months, I can do that. So I ended up building her an absolutely gorgeous, beautiful, huge garden. And we planted it for the first time in March and in May. You absolutely cannot believe how abundant and gorgeous this garden was, really. And she is just living her best life in the garden. And she has. She has a community that comes and helps her. She gives tons of food. It's way more food than she needs, but she is so generous and kind. She gives it away. She is just. It's just been such a wonderful journey to go through with her, and we've become quite personal friends. And I had a tragic situation happen in my life this year. She had a daughter getting married, and we just have begun to do life together all through the garden.

Wow.

Yeah.

That is really neat.

It's been awesome.

Yeah. And there is nothing like chronic pain that makes you want to find some distraction. Right. That's healthy and good for you. And how neat, too, that you actually gave her a strength.

I gave her a sense of purpose, of something to do every day, to get outside, to walk, to move. And, you know, she said some days it's just having bad flare up and it's hard. But then she had friends would come over and help her, and it was just a beautiful example of how she adopted the gardenary lifestyle. She really did.

Wow. Yeah. Amazing for you, too. And, like, I know that drive's got to be. That's a lot. And so I just. I think that's amazing that you're like, this is a sacrifice worth making, actually.

Ironically, though, I ended up finding another client just a half an hour away from her.

Well, of course you did. And then another, and then another, and then another up there.

I just have those two for now, but I can. You know, I generally can hit them both on the same day. And you know what? I just. I use the time in the car to listen to podcasts or listen to a book on tape, and it's fine. I mean, it's not something I'd want to do all the time, but once.

A month, it's worth it for her.

It's worth it for me. It's worth it for them.

That's so cool. Yeah. Okay, so I have a request, so if you follow Sarah, which we'll talk about in a second, her business called Seed to Sanctuary, she's on Instagram. I think you're even on TikTok. And she grows this thing called a loofah gourd. And I wanted to ask if you'd be willing to teach us all how to grow loofah.

Absolutely.

Okay. Bring it on, sister. Teach us the step by step. Because you're in North Carolina, a lot of people think you can only grow loofah if you're in the deep sea, if it's really hot where you live, and you literally just gave me a loofah sponge. And, like, I'm beside my. I'm ready to go home right now and take a shower, like, start exfoliating, girlfriend.

Stop exfoliating.

Yeah, I heard that dry brushing is in, and so I Am pumped for this loofah. I want to grow my own. So will you teach us how?

Yes, absolutely.

Okay.

So it takes a long time to grow. So I think North Carolina is probably about as far north as you really can. Where I'm in grown 7B. So I plant the seeds like in April, right after the last frost. It just looks like a pumpkin seed. Indoor, outdoor plant them direct sow outdoor. Wow. And I. So of course I do all raised bed gardening, but in this case, I have a gigantic pergola that has like a 12 foot table underneath it, like a farm table. And there's pots on every corner of the pergola that have irrigation in them. So I put the luffa seeds in those pots. So the vines started to trellis up all the pergola and all the way across it.

Okay, hold up. Wait a minute. How big are the pots? What's the dimension of the pots?

Oh, gosh, they're big. They're probably three feet tall.

Okay.

You know, great big. Like you'd put all your big summer.

Three feet tall. Are they a foot wide, two feet wide? Probably two feet wide, two feet wide, three feet tall. You've got them filled all the way top to bottom with soil and like our gardenary, like the 103 or something else.

Yeah. But this is where. This is where I have like my flower. My summer flowers are in. This is like my, you know, my pop of color.

Got it. And you put one seed per pot?

No, no, no. I put a number of seeds per pot.

Three seeds per pot, Five seeds per pot. And you spread it out and you let all of them grow to maturity. All three to five.

Sure.

Per pot in just two square feet. Two by. Yeah, yeah.

Cause the vines are just gonna grow up and they got these wonderful tendrils and they're just gonna grab onto that.

Loving you for this intensive planting moment here. Okay. So you put the seed in the ground in May as soon as frost has passed. And you're watering with every day irrigation. Every single day. Drip, drip. Okay. And how long does it take for them to sprout?

Longer than you think. Two weeks, probably longer. Probably like at least three weeks. Before I could, I was like, wow, are they really growing? They take a long time.

Why do plants do this to us? They literally give us this thing where we're like, did we fail? Like, did we do it wrong?

So then guess what? You plant more. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, mother of God, I've got so much luffa.

The Quote of the day. Oh, mother of God, I have got so much luffa. That's a sentence I'm pretty sure has never been said before in the history of mankind. All right, so sprouting, it's growing, it's going, and then it's gonna start. Do you have to help it vine?

Barely.

Really?

Yeah.

The tendrils do the work.

Yeah. So, you know, I've got this big post on my pergola.

I was gonna say, how thick are the posts?

They're thick. So what I did was I took some twine and I wrapped it around the post just till it could get itself established to start to climb up to, like, the first brace that it could grab onto. And then it is like Jack and the Beanstalk. I mean, you wake up the next day, and whoo. It's just grown like crazy. And it's these beautiful, huge yellow flowers.

Wow.

That become the loofahs.

So how soon. If you plant in May, how soon do you get a yellow flower? Probably.

Middle of June.

Oh, my goodness. And then how soon does it start to look like it's going to actually create this real thing?

Right away, because, you know, every flower becomes a fruit.

Okay. So there's no male and female. They're all going to make fruit. Love your face.

I have no.

I love the face. The face says to me, nicole, why are we sexing flowers?

I know it. I'm. I don't know. I do know that I don't have to take the paintbrush and pollinate myself and all that.

I don't have to do that. I'm loving that. Because you on top of your pergola is not a. Not a sight that I want to see.

But the bees love them, so they're doing it.

Love it. Bees are just our best friends.

Yep.

Okay. So then they start to turn into the squashes, melony gourdy type things that they are. And then they're just gonna keep growing. You don't have to do anything.

Don't do anything to them. And so this is the hardest part.

Tell us.

They're getting. They're really long, and they're really quite heavy. And so I've got all these green gourds hanging down, and it's quite a conversation piece.

It's like an obstacle course in your pergola, kind of.

Yeah. I mean, it's just. People come over for dinner, like, what is this? Exactly? And then I get to talk about it, which, of course, I love to do. So then you have the waiting game, and you have to wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until about now.

Really?

Later.

Wow.

You cannot harvest. Well, you can harvest them to eat, but I don't do that. You have to wait until they're completely brown and crunchy still on the vine. And even when they're brown and crunchy, you have to go up and shake it. If you can't hear the seeds, like a rain stick, it's not ready. You have to wait until you can shake it, because if you harvest them too soon, they don't mature anymore. They'll just rot.

Oh.

You have to wait until they are on the vine and they're shaking like that. Got it with me so far.

I'm following. I'm just like. I'm picturing myself with luffa gourds on my head next year. And I'm so happy about it.

Yeah.

Okay. So they're just hanging there all the way. Like, September, October. We have a first frost yet, or no?

Oh, yes.

We have a first frost. A couple weeks ago. Is dead. Yeah.

So I tried to save it. I got my landscape. Wonderful landscape guy. Come over, climb up, you know, 20ft tall, climb across this pergola with a great big gigantic tarp. And we draped it for. For, like, three nights. I don't know if it did any good or not, but it made me feel better, actually.

That's what it's all about.

So then I took the tarp off. The vines are definitely waning, but I still have a boatload of loofahs hanging down.

Wow.

So they don't show any evidence of stress. Yeah. So I might be putting loofahs on my Christmas tree for all I know.

Keep on growing loofahs. Okay. So you're just going to wait until they look brown. Shaky, shaky. Here are the seeds. Then you're ready to take it down. And then you just peel it.

Yeah. This is where the fun begins.

Okay.

So you take a sharp knife, you cut an end off of either side of it. Imagine a great, big, gigantic, thick cucumber.

Okay.

You take a knife, and you kind of score down the middle of all the skin, and it's literally so crunchy, it just cracks right off. And you just peel it off. It's kind of like stripping wallpaper, you know, it just comes right off. And then I cut it in sections. And as soon as you peel it off and you lift it up, all the seeds come running out.

So cool.

Yeah. Which is. Then you have tons of seeds to.

Give to people, and you have loofah for life.

Loofah for life. And then I cut it up in sections like a little as you imagine you want a sponge section to be. And then I give it a quick douse. Excuse me, in a diluted Clorox bath just to get any bugs or whatever nastiness out of it. And then you can let it sit and dry. Or if you're impatient like me, you put it in the air fryer.

What did she just say? You put your sponge in the air.

Fryer for like three minutes, maybe at 300 degrees, and they come out and they're dry and crunchy and you're ready to give them away.

I mean, I'm dumbfounded. The last thing I thought you were going to say is put your sponge in the air fryer. Yep. Okay. So cool. And then you have sponges to give everyone for the holidays because it's just in time. Yep. And then you've got a gazillion seeds. So you could actually give people sponges and seeds.

I do. And then I have a friend who has goats and she makes me homemade goat milk soap.

Yeah.

And so I do a little gift packet with a loofah sponge and some seeds and the soap.

Oh, you are just too good, Sarah.

It's so fun.

Okay, I've got two last questions for you. First, what if you could go back to the moment when you were putting out that Facebook post, Right. And you started your garden? What would be some advice you would give to that Sarah who was just about to dig in and start gardening?

Just do it. Don't wait till you think you're ready. Don't wait till you think you know everything you need to know. Just begin the process and learn as you go. There's so much content and so much information available. And ask for help.

Ask for help. I love that one. You actually even hired a garden coach to help you as you went through. Right. Just for like a little planting plan or something.

My very first garden, I didn't know how to do a planting plan.

Yeah.

For some reason I felt intimidated by it. Now I laugh about it because it's really not rocket science. Once you learn how to do it, you understand it. But yeah, I hired somebody to help me.

Just do it. Ask for help. And can you imagine? What is this, 2023? So 2019, you were just getting started. In four years, you're no longer in corporate life. You are a full time garden consultant. You are literally being requested to drive hours away from your home to help people in the garden. I mean, how's that feel.

It's awesome. It is. I have a job that I can. I don't have to ask anybody for permission. Can I do this or can I do that? Can I drive two and a half hours away for this client? I could just make that decision myself. Every day I wake up and literally it's like a rooster that says, oh, my God, the sun is out again today. It's like me. It's like, oh, my God. I get to go out and be in the garden today. I get to talk to people about gardening. I get to do gardening. I get to learn about gardening. I get to post about gardening. It's just like, so life giving.

I love that. Amazing. Okay, what's your big, big dream? What's your. The legacy you want to leave behind?

I want to be known as the lady that transformed our town so that a majority of people in our community are growing something. I want them all to be able to point it back to me. Done.

The lady that transformed Davidson, North Carolina into an edible, beautiful, loofah covered city. It's going to happen. I mean, sooner than later. Pretty sure. Especially after everybody listens to this.

Oh, I hope so.

So how does everybody find you? I love following you. Every single video you post, I watch. And that's saying something because I don't watch many people's videos. So tell everybody where to find you online.

So it's on Instagram. It's Seed, the number two sanctuary.

Okay.

Facebook. It's just Seed to sanctuary.

My website's www.seedtosanctuary.com and the website's gonna be to seeds.

Everything is to. Except for Instagram is too.

Because of a hacker.

Yes.

But it's okay.

It is okay.

Yes.

That, as I said, is a first.

World problem for sure. You guys, if you're listening to this and you're anywhere near Davidson, North Carolina, Sarah Rubins is your woman. You heard it here. She's gonna transform her whole town into a beautiful edible and loofah growing place. And she's coming for your yard next. So follow her online. You're gonna be so inspired. Thank you, Sarah. You bring me so much joy. It is literally an honor to be associated with you. And yeah, you're just you. You bring me so much happiness just knowing you're in the world. So keep growing. You got this.

I got it. Thank you.

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