65. Boxing, Biohacks, and Bareknuckle: The Ultimate Fight Prep with Jorge Masvidal

What is that? Like, in the moment, the good fighters.

And the great fighters and the athletes and the dog. That's where it really comes down to UFC history.

Five seconds, the official time.

Oh, what a finish. But why he got sent down. Oh, my God, My sleep. Since, like, 17 years old. I don't know what happened. It just. It went from like, standard six, seven hours to, like, four hours. And the rest of the time, I'm in bed. I'm usually, like, awake, just tossing and turning. I went to your place, and after I did the third device, I was like, holy smokes.

Put you in a red light therapy bed, and we just blasted you with healthy red light. And then we got you out of there, and we put you on something called Ultimate Human. Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecker, where we go down the road, everything. Anti aging, longevity, biohacking, and everything in between. You guys all know my guest. You heard the intro today. I am so pumped to have him on the podcast. He's actually slowly becoming a. A good friend. He's an. He's an amazing human being again, gonna get to know him today.

And we're neighbors.

And we're neighbors. Actually, we found out we were neighbors, right? Jorge Masvidal, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. But, yeah, we are neighbors of all places, just south of Miami. It was funny. We actually. The day that we met, he was coming over to my place, one of his guys showed up at the house, and then we were like, well, where's Jorge? And he went from being right across the street. He went to downtown Miami.

American Airlines Arena.

He went to the American Airlines Arena. So he actually met, like, 20 minutes out of his way and brought you into the biohacking lab. And we did. The thing that I love the most is you. You remind me of myself because we. But we have this childlike curiosity with, like, the human body and performance and, like, you know, you were so curious, which was really, really great for me, because you were like, what does this do? How can this help me? And. And how often should I do this? And. And. And even today, as this podcast is going on, we're installing the superhuman protocol in your training place. But talk a little bit about your experience that day in. In the. In the unit with some of the stuff that we did, because you were telling me earlier, you tracked your. Your heart rate, variability, your sleep, because before, you know, we were working with each other. Your sleep, you said, wasn't even that good.

No, my sleep. Since like 17 years old. I don't know what happened. It just, it went from like standard six, seven hours to like four hours, four hours and a half. And the rest of the time I'm bed. I'm usually like awake, just tossing and turning. And in particular that day I hadn't gotten no sleep because the UFC was the night before, on that Saturday.

Yeah.

And before that we were traveling. We were going to New York. So it was a lot of traveling. And then I got to the ufc. We went. I mean, I got to Miami, I went to the ufc. I must have gone to sleep that day, like at 5 in the morning.

Dude. It was the same way for me, man. It was oddly. It was, it was daylight savings time.

Yeah. Also daylight.

So the last fight was like 1:30 in the morning. I remember looking down at my watch, I was still in the arena and it was like three in the morning.

Yeah.

I was like, what the hell? And we met the next day.

Well, that same day outside of the.

Actually, that same day. Yeah.

We were like at 3:30 in the morning, talking outside. And then I woke up, I don't know, around 9:15 to get my kids by like 10:00am and I just felt, though I hadn't had a drink, I felt like I was drunk. I was just beat up. It was already like four or five days of not getting any proper sleep. So I went to your place and we started doing the things. And after I did like maybe the third device, I was like, holy smokes, I don't feel drunk.

I remember you telling me that I.

Could actually go maybe for like a run. And I was telling my guy and my guy was like, maybe you should go for a run. I was like, maybe I will go for a run now. Because I, I didn't get to do nothing these last two days with all the work and stuff. And I felt great. And something that, that never happens for me is that I never close my eyes and then when I open them, it's the next day, like the sun's out. That never happens to me. I'm constantly throughout the night just waking up, waking up. My whoop records that I have like an average of 4 wake up events per hour. You know, so it's like just standard for me to just constantly be waking up, tossing, turning. I got the best sleep I've ever had. And it's not my opinion, the whoops opinion for the two years that I've been wearing it.

Right.

So it was, it was intense that I was able to get such a deep rest like that. And I knew right away, like, if I can continue to get this deep breath, the, the healing that I'll do in, in my sleep is insane. I'll get to another level, you know?

Yeah. Game changer. I mean, and so what we did, we put you in a red light therapy bed.

Yeah.

Remember we closed the, the top of the bed and we just blasted you with healthy red light.

And then we took the thing. I had some of them.

I know, yeah, yeah, you had the hydrogen and you know, so we ran hydrogen into a nasal cannulus and then we got you out of there and we put you on something called the hypermax, which is ewat exercise with oxygen therapy. And it's, I mean, well documented. The only two time Nobel prize winner in, in modern medicine won his Nobel prizes for his work in multi step oxygen therapy. We put you on a treadmill, put an oxygen mask on you, and you just breathe down that 900 liter bag of oxygen. And then we put you in a hydrogen bath. Remember we.

Yeah, this was amazing, man. I saw that instantly. I've, you know, from, from the sport of mma. I've had like, I don't know if it's called tendonitis or what it is, but, you know, there's days my elbow's fine, then there's days it gets tapped in and it turns into like a tennis ball right away just from all the years of constant getting punched, getting kicked there. If I get double leg takedown, I land on my elbow and then on top of that, I still have to weightlift that day. It's not like I, I just. The day's over, I still have to do a good amount of work whether my elbow's swollen or not. So there's days it's fine, there's days it gets tapped and there it goes. And when, when I got there was actually pretty, it was decent size, you know, and I got into the bath, I mean, like an hour later, the swimming was like 50% gone already. You know. It was fucking nuts, man.

Yeah, it's. And it's amazing that these things are available to athletes. I mean, they're available to everybody, but they're available for recovery. I mean, you can't, quote, unquote, enhance performance, but you sure can enhance recovery. And I think the recovery is the name of the game. And science has moved so far in the art of enhancing recovery. And, and yet, you know, athletic trainers and, and a lot of physical therapists and coaches don't know that these modalities are out there. And they're legal and they're NSF certified. And they will not get an athlete in trouble, but they will recover them like a Wolverine.

Nuts.

Yeah, it's nuts.

Question before more, because I had this one last time. You know, like, if you take testosterone, then your body stops making it, right? Like making it yourself for the ewa. If you're getting in there and it makes oxygen for you, does your body like.

Oh, that's a great question. So if you're putting high amounts of oxygen in, you know, does your body. Does your body actually adapt to it or actually want, you know, developing a dependency on it? And the answer is no. And that's why it's called exercise with oxygen therapy. Because the air we're breathing is about 21% oxygen. They are that we're all breathing right now. That bag of oxygen is about 93% oxygen. But you only breathe it for a short period of time. So you don't create a dependency. You're just shocking the body with oxygen and you're under mild exercise. So if you think about it, oxygen, oxygen is the ultimate fuel for the body because our cells turn oxygen into energy, turn it into something called ATP. And I've always said that the presence of oxygen is the absence of disease. And so when we dump oxygen in, especially first thing in the morning, we're getting all of our cells to eliminate waste, to repair, to detoxify, to regenerate. And this is not only a great way to start the day, but it starts that whole process of recovery because we're putting a lot on ourselves. I mean, when you train the way that. And you know, you're being kicked and you're punched and you're falling on a mat and you're creating all these little micro injuries, then you're stressing the body with, you know, with intense exercise. And then you're stressing the body by not getting enough recovery and sleep. These short bursts of oxygen. This E Watt or multi step oxygen therapy is a game changer. So what we installed in your house today is called the Superhuman protocol. Sorry, Nate, I feel. I'm so sorry.

He's getting paid. Don't feel bad for me, okay?

He's in.

He got insurance. He got all that good shit, man. Don't feel bad for.

Okay, Okay. I just feel bad because now you get the supreme protocol. Now you're already going to whip his ass, but now you're going to feel good about it. But, but the, The. The Superhuman protocol is the red light therapy, the pulse electromagnetic field, the PMF and the, and the oxygen. You start combining those things which you're.

About to do, hydrogen water and the.

Hydrogen water right there. And, you know, so you're, you're, you're now reducing inflammation. You're increasing how your body's absorbing nutrients, you know, all, all of those things. So I, I, I actually want to talk a little bit about the fight you got coming up, because I know June, June 1st is a big day for you. I actually watched your, your press conference. I, I thought you handled yourself amazingly well. You said this fight's not personal for you.

Yeah. None of them are, you know, fighting.

I feel like some of them have been, yeah.

But one guy, you know, what was, was personal. I can't say his names because the feds will come up in the room and they'll fre with another case. But for the most part, it's, it's like Michael Jordan playing a pickup game, a basketball game with somebody. You know, maybe he doesn't like that person, but when he's on that court, that doesn't mean he's going to let that get to him. He just wants to score more points on you, but you can't. I can't stop being a calculated fighter that I've always been just because I really want to hurt this guy. So now I'm cocking back a little harder. Now I'm trying to hit you. I just got to do what we've been working on and execute the strategy, the game plan. It's, it's, no, no, it can't be no different. You know, I can't let those emotions take over because I'm not, Though I might seem very cold in there a lot of times, I'm just like everybody. I got emotions, too, and I got to keep them in check very much.

You know, I remember Dana White said to me one time, I thought it was really insightful. He didn't say it to me. Sorry. He said it on another interview. I saw him being interviewed about what makes the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter. And they said, if you only had one word to describe the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter. And he said composure. And he said, usually the one that loses their composure, the first is, is, is the one, is that, is that kind of what you're talking about? Losing your temper, getting emotional, losing your temper?

And then, you know, you could have spikes. You know, maybe I got rage in. The adrenaline's pumping, but then that's also going to, you know, come with a, with a Downside too. So I got to be able to, you know, navigate that adrenaline, all those dopamines coming through my body, this and that, you know, sometimes you get hit and it feel like, wow, I got so much energy now. You got to be able to like navigate that, not make a mistake. Cuz you're also not invincible. You know, it's, it's weird how the body works. You get hit and it, it'll like wake you up. Like a cold splash water really keep. Yeah, yeah. A lot of times, you know, even if I've gotten dropped and it's like somebody came in here and they turned the light switch off and they turn it back on and I'm on my butt and all of a sudden I have all this energy, this rage, and I get up and you know, you start throwing, but if you keep getting hit in the chin, the light's going to stay off, you know, and that's something you got to be able to regulate, you know, and that comes with experience, with time, you know. And it's also something that I think for a big part, you're born with it, you know?

Right. So I, I've actually never had a fighter give me that perspective. So sometimes. So when, when, when you're in the ring, it's all the same to you. You're, you're, you're not allowing yourself to get emotional. I mean, is there, is there definite talking going on? They try to get in your head a little bit?

Definitely, definitely. I'll be doing the talking. You know, I'll smile, I'll blow them a kiss, I'll wink at them, a lot of things because there's that game and you know, but inside though, it's like, it's not really personal, you know, it's just this is what I love to do. It just happens to be fighting. You know, I don't have a quarterback arm, I don't have a good three pointer, so I'm not doing that stuff.

Right.

I'm doing what I love to do. And it just so happens it's fighting. So I gotta keep my emotions in check always, you know.

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And when does that. Because, I mean, you, you seem to me like a very composed guy, like a very nice guy. I love the way that you talk about your kids. I'm going to talk about that in, in a minute. I mean, it just gives a lot of dimension to you, but you're also capable of incredible bouts of violence and you happen to be very good at it. When does that switch flick? Like, is it when, when you're in the back room warming up? Like, is there ever a moment that it hits you like, I'm about to get in a fight? Or do you get more comfortable as it, as that moment gets closer? I always wonder about walking out that chute and seeing that crowd and like, like, what is that? Like, I mean, you're actually about to go in and create violence, have violence against you.

Like love. It's the best, it's the best feeling. I've never done a drug like that. I mean, not even sex, not food, not. It's, it's not no roller coaster. It is like the craziest drug I've ever tasted. You know, the, the what's happening in your body. And I think it's just like a primal thing, you know, not dating back to millions of years for our survival, for everything that is just like that flight or fight system that kicks in and you know, your body just is like, feels really good. And it's also more than anything, a mind thing and a spiritual thing, you know, and it also takes a lot of hard work, the right decisions to get there. I have to put the right type of gas in my body to be able to get to that finish line. To put that gasoline and fighting at least it's a lot of attrition, man.

Yeah.

A lot of making the right decisions. Like, do I go out with my friends and party till three in the morning, and then I go for my six o' clock morning run and it's complete shit. Do I go to sleep at the right time, eat the right food, train with my sparring partners, then watch the videotape? And it's like all these, like, little decisions to get you there. So when you get there, you're not thinking about that, but it's all there in your subconscious. You're like, all right, this is my moment. This is my birthday party. I'm gonna go enjoy it. So I. I definitely feel like, man, it's. It's special, man.

Yeah, but do you. Do you. Do you tune it out? I mean, does. Does a crowd play into it? Are you. You get energy from that crowd, or is it just inside that ring, inside that octagon?

I'll give you a good example. When I fought Nate the first time in Madison Square Garden, Donald Trump, the sitting president, was coming to his first sporting event ever for. And he's right up against my favorite president of all time is. Is gonna be here. Dwayne Johnson, one of my favorite actors, is going to be wrapping the belt around the winner, and my favorite fighter of all time is going to be. Finally, I got. I. I was able to contact these people, and they contacted me back. And it just so happened that he was available at that time and the UFC allowed it, that he was going to be walking me out and he'd be in the cage with me.

Who was that?

Roberto Hands of Stone Manus de Piera. And he's one of my all time favorite boxers since I was, like a young guy. So all these things were in my head, and I was like, it's just another fight. You know, it's just another fight if it's here, if it's Mars and Pluto, you know, after the fight, and I got my hand raised, it's like all of that hit me like, damn, I can't do him right there. The Rock just put the belt. I mean, I'm hugging my favorite guy. My hero, to me, is right? And then it all hits, but before that, it's like, all right, cool. I'm not trying to, like, ignore them, but in my mind I'm like, it's just another fight, man. And whether it's in my backyard and it's just you watching or it's 10 million people watching, at the end of the day, it's a fist fight. And to do the fist fight, there's like certain protocols, certain things I got to keep. Just like your program. You got, you got the protocol. Same thing. I got to keep these things in check and imbalance to go and execute my job, you know.

Yeah, and you do a really, really good job of it, man. So, you know, is, you know, just a stand up boxing match, you know, is. Is not a new thing for you. I mean, you've got great boxing skill. But how is this fight with Nate going to be different from the, from the last fight?

The. The last fight. A lot of the, the weapons that I heard him with initially are not allowed in boxing, you know, So I dropped him with a foot to the face, kicked him right in the face and fucking almost died. Then the next shot I heard him bad with was my shin, hit his rib and took his air out. He had to take a little breather and sit down again. And I also dropped him with the right hand, you know, but out of the. That, that was a later one. So out of the three weapons, two of them, I can't use them. And Nate's a little bit better at boxing, I've always thought, than everything he does, you know, and he's very stubborn in his ways. It's like he didn't want to involve with the game and learn how to kick or really block kicks. So I took that as like, okay, that's your fault. You didn't want to go to kicking class because I did. And I'm gonna kick the. Out of, you know. Right. So in boxing now, he does have a couple advantages because it's a little bit more his field, but he also has things that just work against him. I'm genetically way faster. I genetically got a lot more power.

You are powerful. Yeah.

Better technique. And at the end of the day, man, it's a lot of mind games too. I'm already in his head. He knows what my foot tastes like. I can't. He couldn't say he ever hurt me because we went three rounds and he absolutely did nothing. A medical professional had to get in there and say, no more. This guy's had enough. You're gonna. This guy might die. This guy can't continue no more. Right. You know, besides the cuts that he has in his face and everything. So all that, he's got to deal with that in the fight, you know, and me, I've. I've been training. I've been here in Vegas. First time I leave My. My home camp of American top team, where I've been based out of Florida forever. And I got a pretty good routine there. You know, I got my kids half the time, so I'll, you know, do a morning run, get. Come back home, take the kids to school, do my workouts, pick the kids up later from. From school, hang out with them, and then go back to the gym at night. And it's just like my life. So I don't. I'm not in their life 100, but I'm in their life constantly in and out.

Yeah.

This is the first time I've had to leave all that behind and for a numerous period. By the time the fight comes, it'll be close to six months that I've. That I've been here in Vegas just preparing for one thing. To get in the best shape of my life and put as much pain as I can in the sky, and that's it, you know?

Right. So it's coming down to that moment. But. And. And you and I. I mean, I. I love how much you talk about your kids. We talked about them the first day that, that we met. In fact, you were saying I could come back and forth because I'm coming back to. Back to see my kids, because, you know, it was in Miami. But how, how much of a foundation is. Is being a father to you? I mean, where does that fall in. In the importance of things? And like, what is that? What has that done for you? How's it shaping you as a fighter now?

Right now it hurts more than anything right now. It's just like, pain. I got my. My son calls me. He's like, yo, man, what's up, man? What are you doing? Let's do this. Is that when he coming back, or. He's a lot like me too, where he just ignore me. Now he's also in that stage where he's so mad he don't want to talk on the phone. I'm like, hey, how was your day? Good. What are you doing? Nothing. Like, he's just mad. He's like, me. And when I miss somebody aloud, I'm like, I don't even want to think about you because I'm hurting myself. For what?

Yeah.

Out of sight, out of mind. He's the same exact person as me, you know, so it just, like right now, it just frustrates me. But I have a mission at hand. And this fight, you know, opens the doors for me and for them and for their future, you know, so it's something like I have to balance it out. Like, man, is this time away spent worth what I could give them in the future? You know? And that's a question I always juggle with. But at the end of the day, as far as, like, performance goes, it just makes me want to go to the gym and hit somebody. Wait harder.

You want to make it worth it, because if you're going to take that time away, then you want to show your kids that it's worth it.

I want to go to sleep earlier because I really ain't got to do, man, but train. So I'm going to get more rest, I'm going to wake up earlier, I'm going to run harder, I'm going to hit these pads hard. And then when it all comes to it, on June 1 n, someone that's got to pay for it, you know?

Yeah, that's awesome, man. I, I love hearing that. So, I mean, I know that you're probably not at this moment super focused beyond this fight, but what is, what is next up for you? Because, you know, I just did a podcast with, with Max Crosby, and one of the things we talked about was, you know, athletes are not really known for, for doing a good job after their careers, right? Because at some points, everybody's career comes to an end. Their life doesn't come to an end. Their life starts at that point. So what is, you know, what is Jorge Masvidal got, got planned now? I mean, are there things you're investing in? Are there things that you're building? Are, are there, are there, is there life after the fight game, you know, for you comes to an end? Like, where do you see yourself going post, post fight game?

You would ask me a question. Like, four years ago, I would have told you, man, I'm just gonna ski and surf, chase the winners and waves, and be with my kids and that's it, you know? And I, I, I discovered another passion, something else that I love. Me and my partner, Dean Tool and Victoria Gonzalez, we started promoting maybe like three years ago, we started promoting events, and as I started to, to dive deeper into the work, it was like, man, I love it. I not only can I pick, it's like if I picked up a medical textbook. Good luck, Chuck. You know, the hell my, you know, I couldn't sell medical insurance, I couldn't be selling knives door to door, nothing like that. But now I could watch a guy shadow box, and I could instantly tell you if he's worth a dime or not. You know, I could know that this guy with that guy is Going to make a hell of a fight. And you know what? I happen to have a fan base that really trusts me when it comes to talking about fights and who I think is going to be a great fighter and what fight is going to be great. So as we started doing the promotion business, I really started falling in love with it. And it's a lot like the fighting. I'm watching tapes on guys that we want to recruit whether up and coming world champions in the middle of the pack, you know, So I started doing that, that more, and now it's blown up. We're in a really, really, really good place with the promotions. We, we just crowned our heavyweight champion, Junior Dos Santos, as our first bare knuckle heavyweight champion in the world for Gamebread bare knuckles. So we're.

You got game bread, bare knuckles. You got gamebred boxing.

Yes, sir.

And a glove boxing.

Yeah. Bare knuckles.

Bare knuckle mma.

Yes, sir. Bare knuckle mma. No, no gloves.

And it's just like you said, pure violence.

Pure violence, man. The most violent show on earth. Grapplers also love it because when you don't got these gloves now, you could choke somebody out quicker. You could get to these positions that are worth getting to. And now guys can't saw, you know, because we got all the tape and gauze, and then you got like 4 ounces of gloves that they're not really slippery, you know. And a lot of times to finishing a submission, the thing is, it's a lock. It's all about how good your lock is. And now when I'm impeding you, like let's say you got my back and I could just grab your glove, I could stall guys out. So now we see that not just a knockout. Oh.

Cause you got more to grab, you're saying. Exactly.

Now when it's just the hands and they're slippery, it's like impossible, you know, and we see the submissions going through the roof. So there's really not like a dull moment in the fight now where guys are in a position and one guy's in an advantageous position, the other guy knows it, so he's kind of stalling now. It's like if you're in a bad position with no gloves, you're gonna get hurt, man. Whether it be the hands, the elbows, or the. The submission. Right?

So just. You think it's a. It's just a lot more entertaining.

A lot more entertaining. And we see it. You know, we'll have 10 to 12 bouts on the card and we'll have like a 80 to 90 finish ratio on every card that we've ever thrown. And it's just constant finish after finish.

After finish, you know, and then when, when you did you. So this just, this is something that recently.

Shout out to the matchmaker for. For the.

Shout out to the matchmaker. Yeah. I mean, when they do it, they do a good job of matching fighters up. It makes for a real entertaining fight. I mean, we're at UFC 300 and this is one of the. I mean, I've been a fight fan for a long time. I mean, that's one of the best cards I've seen in a long time. Even the undercards, like, as soon as we're done this podcast, we're all heading straight, straight to the arena to, you know, to see the, to see the pre. Prelims. But hey guys, if you've been watching.

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You know, I love it when, you know, athletes that are at the prime of their career are already planning for the, for that post career. So, you know, I want to give a lot of love to your three separate promotions that you've got going on. And we'll give it out to the fans so they can find out how to find out more about those, you know, after the podcast, but even after this fight with Nate, what are your. In your fight career, in your professional career, what do you see coming, you know, later in this year, next year? You know, remember you mentioned to me you still have a fight left in the ufc?

Yeah, I still got a contract with the ufc. We were. They were gracious enough and generous enough to let me go box for three fights, so I'm gonna go do that definitely. And the grind for. I'm not taking anything away from. From boxing, but the grind in boxing is a little different than MMAs. And I could start a MMA camp healthy, but by the end of it, with the wrestling, the jiu jitsu, the kicking in the knees, the running, the weightlifting, the swimming, you know, your body takes a toll, you know, and I got some injuries already that, that I've had for, like, numerous times that right now they might be all right, but as I go through these grueling camps, they only get worse and worse and worse, you know, so boxing is a lot less toll on the body to get through that process. You know, it's. It's no joke the day of, because still to this day, more people die in boxing yearly than ever in mma, and that's because they only have one option, which is just punch. All you can do is punch to the head or punch to the bodies in MMA. I could take a guy down, submit him 100 different options in MMA. You know, so it's. It's not to take anywhere from boxing, but the grind that I'm used to, it's like, it's night and day, man. It's a. It's a different grind. Yeah, yeah, it's a different grind in mma. You know, I mean, we'll. We'll spar, me and you, and I'll kick you as hard as I possibly can on your knee. And now your knees a little wobbly. You know, maybe you tore some. Some micro tears and some ligaments. You still got to go run three miles, right? You still got. And then, you know, after that, you're gonna have your weight, strength and conditioning at night, and then the next morning, you're gonna wrestle. Now I get into that leg again, and I put it in a position where it shouldn't be. You're not trying to get taken down and boop, there it goes. It pops. Well, guess what? You still got another strength and conditioning class, and you still got to run, you know, so the. The wear and tear that you. You take in MMAs, it's. It's a lot, man. And it's on a daily basis, you know.

Yeah, but, but you're saying that the boxing training is not, not as taxing on your body, not on your overall.

Body, obviously on your head. You're, you're taking a lot of shots, but if you're a good, solid defensive fighter and you're working with the right people, you shouldn't be, like, taking those shots. Right. You know, still, the, they, they're super disciplined. They're. Monday through Saturday, I run, which is not something I did in mma. A lot of the, the. Our society or community isn't so much in the running because we got so much things to do. And every day I hit the bags and, you know, at least three to four times a week I spar, you know, which is. It's. We're not going light when we spar, but the overall grind on MMA is just. It's different, man. It's a lot of, A lot of requirements to have that gasoline, you know, a lot of weightlifting, which is boxing. They, they incorporate the strength and conditioning, but not like we do. We're lifting hard and heavy two to three times a week just to, you know, be able to have that muscle, to be able to grab you, squeeze as hard as I can and break your rib or whatever it is, you know.

Yeah. I mean, and, and, and how important is it to have the right people in your camp? I mean, talk, talk a little bit about the people that are in your inner sphere right now, in your camp that are making a difference that, that you think are actually going to have a, a really demonstrative outcome on how this fight comes out.

Man, it's, you'll understand it simple and plain. It's like if I have some quack of a doctor, they're selling me snake oil, you know, or if I have a legit guy, somebody that's got the math, the science behind. And so this is what you need. This is how you recover. This is how you become a better athlete, you know, better human being. It's the same thing in fighting. So shout out always to my team, to, to. To my handlers. I come from American top team. That's where I first started from mma. Now I'm here in Vegas with Jorge Capetillo. Pauline Hernandez is still my striking coach from when I started the game, and he's still like the second now in the boxing. He understands his, his role, that he's not predominantly a boxing coach. So we've let the boxing coach take the full lead, and then he's just supplementing and helping out as much as I can, my business partners, Victoria Gonzalez and Dean Tool, that put the whole camp together for me to come out. Great people, and they're the ones that wanted me to get out of Florida because they know there's a lot of distractions in Florida, a lot of things to do in Coconut Grove.

Right. Yeah.

So they. They ship my.

More Miami.

But, yeah, yeah, you know, so they shit me out real quick, and, you know, it's. It's. It's slowly but surely all coming together real. Real nice and clean, you know? Got you added to the team now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just.

California's gonna try to give me a murder case. I got a great lawyer, too. Brad Cohen. What's up, man?

Shout out to the lawyer. Yeah, I mean, we just had a. Again, going back to that childlike curiosity of yours, which I. Which I love. I mean, you're. You're. You're curious and fascinated about anything that can improve your performance. We. We met right before this and went through blood work, went through gene testing, you know, with the clinical team and I.

And since the first time we met, you, you told me about the oxygen. I'm no doctor, but I've had so many injuries on my hands, and I. Ten days before a title fight, I tore some ligaments on the hands. I went and got X rays. Didn't come up in the X ray, obviously. I didn't throw a punch for, like, 10 days. I went into the fight, first round, boom, destroyed my hand, and I fought another five rounds with it. That injury stayed with me for about two years, and I got the option to opt for. To do surgery, but I would have been out for, like, eight months. I was like. They said rehab, three months. I was like, okay. I did the rehab. The rehab turned into, like, two years of rehab because it just wouldn't get better.

Right?

So I had to start putting cortisone every fight to. To be able to get through the camp. And then right before the fight, another shot of cortisone. It was destroying my hand, literally.

It was like, cortisone's terrible for you.

Long terrible. I met a doctor in. When I was doing a seminar in Chile, and he told me about ozone shots, and I had no idea what that was. I was like, I had no idea. But let's go, because I'm exhausted my options. I've been doing rehab for, like, two years, and I'm thinking about doing surgery, which I never wanted to do. And thank God to say I've never had to do surgery. And so they. They put the ozone in my hand, and like, three weeks later, my hand was like a 50 better. And it was crazy. And since then, I stuck with it. I did a lot of ozones for my hands to get them better for knees and stuff like that. So when you told me about the oxygen, how important it is, it was like, hell, for sure. A million percent. Yeah.

Game changer. And. And you're doing the ozone now, too, which is another. Another thing you can do. We do it transdermal through that, called the hocat. That thing you sit in that day. I remember you getting out of there and you're like, dude, I feel amazing.

Yeah.

And that's when you had.

That was like four days of. Of, like, not sleeping at all. Like two to three hours. Catch a plane, go here. Podcast. Podcast interview. All right, you're ready. We're done at 11:30 at night. Go to the airport, get that red eye, wake up the next day. And then on top of that, the last day was at ufc, and we. I was at home by, like, five in the morning. I felt I was just destroyed. Man. I couldn't believe how good I felt without sleep.

That's what was the craziest, incredible what they, you know, all the best, like, anti aging, you know, biohacking, whatever you want to call it. Longevity technology now is really just enhancing what the body does best on its own. That's what I find so fascinating. You know, we talked about it today, like, making sure that you had all of your basics covered. Your hydration, if you're going to hydrate, you might as well hydrate with hydrogen water, because it's going to help you with inflammation. You know, absorbing your supplements, it's going to help feed the bacteria in your gut. If you're going to supplement, you might as well supplement for deficiency and not just start throwing in a bunch of supplements for the sake of supplementing. And I think that's what a lot of athletes do is they, you know, they don't have a roadmap. They don't. They don't get information on their temple. And, yeah, then you're just the temple. This is the temple. And I mean, you only got one of them. And I mean, it's. It's even more important in your line of work, because the temple is everything. I mean, how it performs is going to determine or not whether or not you're a champion or whether you end up getting hurt. So I love that. I'm just so excited to be on this journey with you. Because you are my next superhuman project brother. I think we're going to shock the world with how well you're about to start showing your performance. But how about in terms of actual fights or opponents? Is there anything on the horizon. If you don't want to talk about it for contractual reasons, I totally understand, but is there anything on the horizon beyond, you know, Nate, that. That you and your camp are talking about?

Oh, definitely.

What do we got?

Some. We got some good names in boxing, some. Some legends of the sport in boxing, you know, that are already done their thing in boxing and have numerous accolades. I can't say the names, not because of me, because their size, that some of them haven't signed on, but by the time that I fight Nate Diaz and I'm in that ring, those contracts will be filled out and we'll be able to say it. And I just can't say it because they haven't agreed yet fully. So I don't totally understand getting anything, but I can tell you this much. It's. It's household names in boxing, you know, mega household names in boxing that are going to break the Internet for a fact, you know, like.

And these are guys that you might fight.

No, no. 100% fighting. You know, we just haven't dialed in. We're down to, like, three, four of them. But, you know, once by the time the Nate Diaz fight is done, the contracts will be ready for the second fight. And like I said, the UFC let me out for three fights, so it's going to be. Nate. It's going to be another mega fight and another mega fight, you know, so.

Wow. And then 2025 back for your fight in the UFC?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. UFC. That was another part of the reason they let me go. Three over here, but you got to come back, do one over here. I love fighting, man, and to me, the funnest thing I've ever.

Well, I mean, I think the UFC loves you. You got the fastest knockout in UFC history. You're the. You know, you're the first. You know, the official bad. I mean, you. You have one of the highest gates in UFC history. I mean, highest pay per views in UFC history. I mean, you're an exciting, entertaining fighter, and I think. I mean, there's no reason for the UFC not to want you back, but any ideas who that might be? I mean, 2025 is a long way off.

Yeah. So we'd have to check out the landscape, but, you know, with. With more of the stuff, and I'm not just saying this because you're here with a lot of stuff that I've been doing already that you had recommended for me. I just haven't been hitting the wall as much in training, you know, because there's days where, like, okay, you know, we. We do, like. We do. A lot of how my training would be is like, okay, we do week one, and then week two, we're gonna build on it, where we're gonna go a little bit more intense, and then week three, we're gonna go all out, and then we're gonna take, like, a week of. Of active rest. We're going to train every day. But if I was training two hours every day now I'm going to train, like an hour, 50 minutes, you know, and just kind of bring that intensity for a week, and then we're going to do it again. We're going to stack up for, like, three weeks. And as I was doing that, you hit the wall, you know, you hit the wall. A lot of times I'm like, man, I don't feel the same. This and that. But with the protocol, slowly and surely, I'm not hitting those walls where I usually would hit those walls. I'm just feeling better now. I get that recovery week, and it's like, holy smokes, I didn't even need it, you know? And now I'm backfiring even harder now because I just. I've been feeling that. So I feel like the only thing right would be how I've always done in my career, get a good fight to welcome me back into ufc, and after that, just line up the next guy that could get me closest to the title and go fight for that title. Man, that's. That's my plan.

So you actually could be fighting for a UFC title next year. That's exciting.

Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't be my first fight back because I'd have to work my way back in those rankings, but, man, I would just look to fight the toughest guys that I could get my hands on and go for that title again.

Yeah. I mean, so how has, you know, I mean, obviously, as you age, you know, recovery doesn't. Is not as. As fast as it was when. When you were younger. And I think a lot of athletes rely on youth and skill, and they don't really focus that much on recovery. And you're starting to see the benefits of it now.

All I would do is, like, sauna and Copeland. That's something that's just, like, part of the. The community. So a lot of saunas for, like, Cutting weight and stuff. And also like the inflammation and then just the cold plunge. Like, oh man, my hand, my shins are getting the cold plunge. That's that to this point. So me and you started working. That's all I've really done in my career is, yeah, sauna, cold plunge and oxygen chamber, you know.

Yeah. And we're about to take that whole next level. When you say oxygen chamber, you mean the hyperbaric.

Hyperbaric, yeah.

I mean, and those are all great, but I feel like a lot of that is, is, is very 1999 science. And it's, and it's great, it's great science, but we're in 2024 and it, and, and the ability to recover at, in, you know, with incredible accuracy has really just gone leaps and bounds. And you, you know, you're seeing it in, in sleep. I mean, again, if we can just, it's not just about recovery, but we want to restore the body's natural mechanisms to heal and repair itself. So just by your HRV going up.

Your sleep scores improving, HRV went up. It was crazy. I went up like a 30. I still remember the exact number, like a 37 from doing the machines. And that's not something that, that happens. Like, I, I, I don't know if all the listeners even know what the HRV is, but yeah, heart rate variability.

Yes, but kind of a measure of readiness for, for athletic strain.

Yeah, right. And it's like that I, I've had to whoop on for quite some time. It just doesn't jump like that. You know, you'll get a good night's rest, it'll jump 10, 15. But it did like 37% increase. It scored my highest HRV and I was like, what? This is, this is serious. And then that same morning, I went for a row, a run right in the grove. Felt amazing. It. I believe in a man 1 million percent, bro.

Yeah. So you feel like you've got, you got enough energy for both passions, your passions in growing the sport of promotions, which, you know, in this, in the bare knuckle mma, the gloved mma and your game bred boxing, you got enough energy to commit to those and still keep yourself healthy and fresh and be at the top of your fight game. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, definitely. You know, a lot of the promotion stuff, it's so cool because at least my part of it is a lot of times it's just watching guys that we want to recruit and then reaching out to these guys, me and my partner, and then the legal team will take care of the legal stuff. But me, I'm just reaching out to guys and there's not a guy that I don't know in the sport, thank God that, you know, if I don't know them, they know me. If not, I know somebody that knows them. They can put me in contact with these individuals. And with every show that we have, it's like I open up my messages, my emails and it's just everybody's hitting me up. Hey, I want to come fight. Hey guys, that I'm shocked and I'm surprised. Like, man, look who reached out, wants to come fight for us. So it's, it's just getting bigger and bigger. And like I said earlier, I love it like how I love fighting, you know, since, since I started 1312 years old and I got into the fight game, I was just utterly and all about that. I didn't care about girls, I didn't care about going to a party. I didn't care about any other sport. I just wanted to get better at fighting. And it's kind of the same thing. I just want to get better at promotion and putting on the best shows that I possibly can.

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You know, we were at the slap last night and somebody said, I don't know if it's true, but I noticed your beard's thicken a little bit. But they said the beard reduces the intensity of the slap by like 0.3%.

So cushion there.

You have a little cushion, dude. So, so now I noticed the beer's thickening before the fight. So you're getting your 0.3% out of the beard. You know, I noticed all those guys had had big beards, but of course someone got knocked out. So maybe, maybe the theory is not holding true.

When that slap goes through, I don't care how much beard you got or the punch goes through, it might lessen the blow. Like you said a point something, but.

It was like 0.3% or 0.03%. And I was like, well, if I was getting slapped for a career, I'd probably grow a beard too. I mean, I'll take whatever advantage I can. There's not much, not much you can do to train to get slapped dead in your face while you hold on to a foam roller that I know of.

There's not really much, man. I mean, you just. Neck exercises. That's really about it, you know.

Yeah. Keep your head from, from, from rotating. I mean, you talk about in, in, in fights, how those lights come, you know, have gone off and they, and they come back on. I mean, what's, what is that like in the moment when you're, when you're, when you're in a fight and you all of a sudden you find yourself on the, on your back and you don't even remember the last few, few seconds of a fight. I mean, just put the listeners in that perspective of how do you, how do you, first of all, how do you not panic?

Well, that, that's the first thing. That's where another, the, the good fighters and the great fighters and the athletes and the dogs, you know, that, that's where it really comes down to because you see like a good athlete get dropped and now he has to make that decision, like, or it's already made in him because he has it in him. Like, I don't give a damn how tall this mountain is. I'm going to kill you. You just hit her. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to find a way to get out of here, and I'm literally going to kill you when I get out of here. And you have that dog in you. And then there's a lot of guys that get dropped, and then they're great athletes, but you see them, they're really looking for a way out. They get hit in their. Turning away your. Your opponents over here. Why are you looking over there? You know, you got to keep your eye on your guy the whole time. You got to keep your eye on the target. And that's where you start to be able to tell the guys that are great fighters because they're dogs, and the guys that are. That are just really, really good athletes, you know, and that when. That.

This what Dana means about composure when.

He says composure, but it also has to do with. With. With being a dog, because the composure is one thing, but you kind of got to be born with that. Like, man, my eyes hanging out of my face, it doesn't matter. I'm coming at you. And there's guys that are, like, bleeding, and you're ready soon as they start to get hurt or hit. Every time they get hit, they're like a notch lesser and lesser. There's guys that every time they get hit or even if it's not going their way, they're staying right in there. It's not letting them break them. They're just, okay, it doesn't matter. You got me now, but I'm going to get you, you know, and that. That is like, like a big thing for me. Thank goodness. I have, like, a really bad temper. When somebody hits me, I go Hulk mode. Every time somebody hits me, it's just my body just gets filled with adrenaline, and all I could do is, like, focus it on the individual.

So you actually turn that into a positive. You feel that pain, you take that hit, you acknowledge it.

I'm not trying to, like, do that concept because it's just not good for you, right. As a. As a fighter, you know, but every time I feel it, it's like, I'm gonna turn. I'm gonna go right in it, you know, you have to put me out. You have to shoot me in the head and leave me rotten stiff, because if I have any type of energy, I'm going to Use it towards.

Yeah. I mean, more than 50 fights you've never tapped.

Yeah.

And you've just gone out rather than.

100%, you know, 100%.

I mean, that's, that to me is that, that's the dog that you're talking about. I mean, and you know, I think that, I think fight fans are in for a really entertaining fight on the, on the, on the 1st of, on the 1st of June. I'm excited to be, you know, in your corner, helping you with recovery and your supplementation and, and your, and your sleep. You know, I, I, I always at, you know, when we're winding down a podcast, I always want the fans to know where to find out more about the leagues that you're supporting. I mean, this, this, this bare knuckle league, is it no doubt gonna, gonna take off? Where can, where can listeners find out more about, you know, your league or more about you?

The league is gamebred, gamebread Bare Knuckle.

MMA or gamebred FC right now out on, on, on Instagram. And I always wind down podcasts by asking a guest the same question and there's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human.

To have this platform? It's amazing. I thank God and I really feel it all comes from God as well. You know, just to be able to.

Amen.

Yeah. To be able to say that, you know, I, since young I, I experienced God's presence and, and things that, that, you know, where my life was headed this way. And I made decisions and God made decisions that put me in the path for me to make the decisions, to go like this, to be able to tell everybody now all my speed, my power, my reflexes comes from above, you know, And I, I obviously I keep myself to date with the latest and greatest technology and stuff. And that's also a big reason why I never did like rehab or, or things like that or recovery because I was like, man, it, God gave it to me.

God also wants you to do some work though, you know?

Yeah. You know, so I definitely thank God for, for everything in my life and that I'm able to be here and millions of people listening worldwide and, and they could find out where I got it from, you know?

Yeah, dude, that's, that's really inspiring, man. Well, we're gonna have you back again after, after the innate fight, dude. I know, I know you're gonna take that fight. I have no doubt.

You don't gotta bail me out, you know, but if you do? Just. I'll be in California. Come bail me out. Cause I'm gonna catch a body on that.

We're in your corner, brother. And as always, guys, that's just science.