Ep #19 - Doug Branson - Do More Than You're Paid For - Booster #4

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Understanding that whatever experience that you partake in, if you approach it the right way, and you approach it with a sense of your own standards about what is good work and what isn't, and you always approach it that way, then you're going to get some kind of value in it.

Yet attitude means how can I proactively change the way I think? How can I proactively increase my life? How can I proactively create better relationships and better work situations for me to enjoy it? Welcome to the Gap. The Get Attitude Podcast. The Gap. Bridging the gap from who you are to who you want to become, and from where you are to where you want to go. Hello, my name is Glenn Bill, founder of the University of Attitude, keynote speaker and author of the ABCs of Attitude. I have helped tens of thousands of people Get Attitude. You know, attitude is the secret formula to success in your business and in your life. And this podcast will help you get yours. So let's get some. I'd like to welcome everybody today, especially our guest, Doug Branson, the podcast master. Doug is the owner of Potaboutit.com if you've considered hosting or learning about how to podcast, or if you have video needs, we suggest you go to potaboutit.com to meet Doug. And Doug is also part of the Sellerdyne Network, as is this Gap podcast. So please subscribe, rate and review there as well. Doug is also the host of the Charlotte Hornets podcast called Locked On Hornets. Doug Branson, welcome so much to the Gap.

I'm excited to be here. This is awesome.

Yeah, well, thank you so much. This month's episode is all about attitude booster number four, do more than you're paid for. And being in the media, I have a feeling you have a really good idea about doing more than you're paid for.

Exactly. I have a doctorate in doing more than you're paid for. Yeah, that's what the media industry is all about. I mean, you're constantly being asked to do a little bit more.

Yeah, that's, that's good. And you know, I met Doug when I was learning how to do podcasts at the Seller die network. Doug, to me was so impressive. There is no question he was the glue that holds together Jeffrey's podcast, which is, I think being downloaded. 100,000amonth. Does that sound right? Over a million downloads.

That's correct, yeah. Over a million point five downloads and 100,000amonth. Sellordie podcast dot com. Check that out. We've been doing amazing things with that podcast. I'm really excited about where we're going with that.

Yeah, it's quite an accomplishment and it's certainly somewhere that I hope you can pull me up to. Doug is working with me to make this happen. So for all the entrepreneurs out there, for all the people that are going, I'm not sure what I want to do. I'm not sure how to fill the gap. The one thing I know about Doug is he knows how to set a goal. He knows how to start something from what was nothing, which was really the seller die beginning. There was nothing. And now to 1.5. So I think the time that we're going to share here today, you are going to learn a lot about how to bridge the gap and how doing more than you're paid for helps make that happen. So, Doug, if we could, could I just get a little background, tell our gappers who you are, where you're from, and how you ended up on this darn show.

So, yeah, I am from the state of North Carolina, from Charlotte, North Carolina, specifically. I went to school in Chapel Hill. Four years at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, learned media production, got my media production chops as a Tar Heel. And then I kind of started my own business in college, did a little production on the side, and then moved into the world of television via a station called Jewelry Television, which was a 24 hour jewelry sales network. And that'll teach you about doing more than you're paid for because you weren't being paid a lot. And so any effort above and beyond what you were being asked to do is something that you were doing more than you were paid for. From there, I got into local news in Charlotte, North Carolina, and and then I met Jeffrey Gittamer. And for those of your audience that don't know who Jeffrey Gittamer is, author of the Little Red Book of Selling An Amazing Person, spent four years as his director of production and basically got a master's in success. I only stayed four years of college. I couldn't go back to class. But working with Jeffrey Gittamer really changed my business and changed my life. And then now with potaboutit.com I've branched out on my own, back to those entrepreneurial roots that I had in college, and really excited about where things are going from here.

Very good. And so I know that you just moved to Nashville, Tennessee. Is that correct?

Yeah. Yeah. So I spent four years in Charlotte. Now I'm in Nashville, Tennessee, working out of my house. So that's a nice change of pace.

Looks great. Your house looks awesome.

Well, hey, I appreciate it. It's interesting because I haven't done that for a long time, and there are a lot of challenges that come with that. You really have to be prepared to work from home. You have to be prepared to drive yourself. There's no one looking over your shoulder. You're constantly having to motivate yourself and make sure that you're spending each hour, each half hour as effectively as you can spend it. And it's even more interesting, I think, in the creative sphere, because I'm in podcasting, I'm in video production, and there is a lot of room there for creativity. But you have to allow yourself that time to be creative. You can't completely stack your schedule with things that you have to do and you have to work on because you have to give yourself that time to think. And so it's been a challenging experience, but a fun one.

And then, if we can, let's go back to North Carolina. Did. Did the Tar Heels win? Did you graduate from North Carolina?

I did, yeah. 2009 was my senior year when the Tar Heels won the national championship in basketball.

Okay. And who were some of the players on that team?

Oh, that was Tyler Hansborough, Ty Lawson, Deanna Pacer.

Tyler Hansborough, that's correct.

Yeah. Psycho T. He was huge. It was interesting, actually. I was able to do a documentary on that team. I was in a senior documentary class, and I had an in with the communications director at the time, Steve Kirshner. I had done some work for him as part of student television, a group that I was involved with on campus. So I had an in with him, and I decided, you know what? I'm going to go for it. I'm just going to ask this guy, hey, can I do a documentary on the basketball team? And it's. It was a bold move because that team is so locked down, like all those D1, you know, major programs, they're not letting anyone in the door unless, you know, they've got the letters ESPN next to their name. But had a meeting with him, it went really well, and was able to do a documentary on the team before they won the national championship. And it was all because, you know, I was just brash enough to ask.

Yeah, that's like, unbelievable timing. So was it a documentary on the actual national title team?

Well, yeah, so we did a. We did a documentary on the midnight madness celebration that all of the college teams, all the big programs do as a kickoff to the season. So everybody gathered back then. It was actually at midnight now. And it was all based on a rule where, you know, at midnight on a certain day, you. You would be able to actually practice. And so a lot of teams celebrated that by getting all the fans together and counting down to. To the moment that the team could actually practice and then they would scrimmage. So there was a big deal at Carolina, and I really enjoyed it my first three years there. And I thought, man, no one's really kind of done a documentary on this about what it takes to put that kind of thing together. And so, yeah, we got embedded with the team for three weeks, and then they went on to win the national title.

That's cool. And so can we see that documentary on YouTube anywhere? What's it called? How would we find that?

It's called Late Night with Roy. If you do a search on YouTube for late night with Roy the Experience, maybe on Vimeo, that was something I did a long time ago. And so I'm not sure, like, I'm.

Not sure you want people to see it.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's.

It's interesting. I'm sure you can. If you're a sleuth, you can dig it up somewhere. I'm sure that's cool.

We may try to do that. And so when we think about doing more than you're paid for, obviously you got paid nothing for that. When you. When you think about your college experience, boy, you know, when people think about college nowadays, they. I think it's do you can't do more than you pay for because college is such an investment. Right. But when you think about, you know, I always think doing more than you're paid for really comes down to value. In your college experience at North Carolina, is there a story that you would. You could share with the people that are listening? And I think actually you might have just shared it. You know what? You got to have the balls. You know, you gotta have the brash. You gotta believe in yourself enough to go ask for the opportunity instead of wait for it to come to you.

Yeah, I think that's definitely the first step. And then understanding that whatever experience that you partake in. If you approach it the right way and you approach it with a sense of your own standards about what is good work and what isn't, and you always approach it that way, then you. You're going to get some kind of value in it. And I think, especially in college, it's an interesting time because there are a lot of opportunities to be involved in groups that you're not gonna be paid for. There are a lot of opportunities to be involved in internships with outside companies that you may or may not be paid for. And you really have to sort of walk that fine line between knowing what you're worth, knowing your value, but also understanding the value that you are going to receive from that opportunity and value outside of monetary gain. I just. I've never been a transactional person. You know, I think about, like, the friendships that I've had and, you know, I'll take someone out for dinner, they'll take me out for dinner. And I don't keep a ledger of, oh, how much do you owe me? Or how much am I owed from? You know, And I feel that way about opportunity as well. Whenever I experience an opportunity from someone, I try to pay the universe back and give someone else an opportunity, but I don't keep a ledger. I just try to be a good person. I try to give value and help people whenever possible. And I just believe that the universe is going to give you something back if you do that.

Yeah, And I think you're proving that. And I know Lord knows where you're going to be in 10 or 20 years, but I have a feeling you're going to get paid big, because I feel that about you. And, you know, when we talk about do more than you're paid for the Jewelry sales Network, I mean, you got to give me a story about the Jewelry Sales Network. What did that experience teach you about doing more than you're paid for? And tell us there had to be some real characters, some real peers that you had that might have been fun for us to know about.

Well, so that experience, I was actually working 1am to 10am producing live television. And producing live television is. It's an experience like no other. The stress, the pressure that everyone's under. But, you know, diamonds are made from pressure, you know, so, like that experience, I tried to remind myself at all times, no matter how difficult that experience was and no matter how difficult it was to live the kind of lifestyle that I wanted to live with, the checks that were coming in from that experience, I tried to remind myself that the. That that experience was crafting me into a person that was going to be able to step up and respond to the challenges that would come later. And I look back on that experience and remember all of the successes and all of the failures that were involved with a place like that. And you did a great job of complimenting me on being able to bring something out of nothing and make it something. But I don't think you can do that until you. You're part of an organization that doesn't allow you to do that, because that's what jewelry, television was. It was a very regimented place. It was a place that. That asked you to do a very specific set of things and expected you to do them on time, on the money, and do it consistently. And if you didn't, then you were not allowed to do other things that you wanted to do there. You weren't allowed a better schedule. You weren't allowed to take part in some of the growth areas that they had there. And so, you know, but I had a thirst to do something on my own. I had a thirst to do something more. I had to look outside of that place for those opportunities. And I think that's the greatest gift that that place gave me is just, hey, if you want something, you got to get out of here. You got to go away from here to go and get it.

You know? And what I've heard you say, actually, through both of those, you maybe said it just like this. But, you know, it's not about the money. It's about the experience, or said the different way. It's about the experience, not the money. When. When we talk about do more than you're paid for. For those that are listening, are you a person that only looks. What's the monetary gain in every situation I get in every experience, in every relationship? Are you saying, what am I gonna get out of this? What's the money? What's the money? Or are you really looking at it more experiential? And, boy, that sure comes through with you. And I think, boy, what a lesson from. For booster number four. As you walk through life, as you meet people, as you have your relationships at your jobs, whatever it might be, what are you looking to get out of it? Are you just looking to get money out of it or just the experience? I think you live that.

Yeah, totally. And I think, again, I don't want to project this message that you should work for free for a long time. And you know that there's a certain amount of time that you have to devote to paying your dues. I think you're going to know. If you listen to yourself, you're going to know how. Have I gained enough experience in this moment? Am I ready to grow? Am I ready to move on? Have I maxed out what I can get from this place? Has this place given me everything? And have I given my whole self to this place? And am I ready to move on to something, something more? I don't. I don't think that you should. You should stick around in a place that doesn't value you. And so if you feel yourself stagnating, I think you should definitely look. Look for something else. If you. If you feel like you aren't valued. That's how I've tried to live my life and live my career. Is. Do I feel valued where I am? And I'm. Am I able to give maximum value? Yeah.

That's cool. So the jewelry network, it moved on. And then local news, my favorite. Go ahead.

Yeah, yeah, local news, also national news. I skipped a place. I worked for an agricultural network called RFD here in Nashville. That was interesting. Got to meet Charlie Daniels, met rascal Flats. It was a very embedded in country music, but we were an agricultural news network. And that was another place. I mean, jewelry television had a lot of money behind it because they were, you know, they were selling jewelry that they were not paying a lot of money for and selling it for a lot of money. So, you know, margins are great. Everybody was doing great. But then I moved to rfd, and that was a place that was just. It was bootstrapping. Everybody was doing three or four jobs, but it was a place. It was the first place that I worked where I had input. You know, I was able to walk in the door and take my experiences that I did learn at jewelry television and start to build something. And that something was their editing workflow. So how we got the video, how we got the raw video from the providers and onto that television network as part of the news broadcast. And, you know, I look at that experience and I think, man, I would really have. I would not have been able to do that had I not gone through what I went through with jewelry television. And then, you know, that experience led to. Led to my next one. Yeah.

Which was meeting all those famous people in Nashville. Right.

Well, you know, that's never a bad thing. I mean, it's always.

How long were you doing that gig?

Well, so that was three years. I spent three years at rfd, and again, another pressure cooker. Live television. It's always going to challenge you, ask you to do a little bit more, stay a little bit later. But it's a place where. And I think live television in general, whether it's local news, national news, or jewelry sales, is just something that is an experience that teaches you about, you know, finding that balance between getting something done beautifully and done on time. You know, I think any entrepreneur listening understands that, that sometimes you. You have a deadline, and sometimes you. You have to sacrifice a little bit of what you think perfection is in order to satisfy a client. And all of these experiences that I've been through have been. You're always satisfying some client, whether it's. Yeah.

One experience that I'm very familiar with is you just relocated from Charlotte to Nashville.

Right.

And this may be a little bit off the subject, but we know that one of the most stressful times in people's lives is the move. And so somebody may be in the middle of a move right now, signing into this podcast, going, you know what? I need to get some attitude. I'm very negative about this move. You. You can create all types of different negative thoughts about a relocation. What was that like for you? How did you stay positive? What did you tell yourself? Tell us just a little bit about that that somebody might be able to pick up on.

I think there are a couple of things. Number one is I have a great support system around me. My wife, Katie, is the most amazing person that I've ever met, and she has been a stable force in my life and supported my career and supported the things that I did outside of my career, because I've always gotten value. I've always gotten that sense of self from things that I do outside of work, those passion projects. I've always been driven to do my own thing and find those outlets. And, you know, some people that. Some people you meet aren't. Aren't completely supportive of that. And I've been lucky enough to find someone who was. And so, you know, she definitely helped make this move as smooth as possible. And then I think I always have an understanding of my life as moving forward. And so, like, it was bittersweet leaving Charlotte because there were so many things that I loved, so many opportunities that I. That I had pursued there. But I try to stay focused on the opportunities that I have in front of me. Just like when I was in all of those jobs that weren't quite giving me the income that I felt like I deserved, I did have this sense in my mind that I'm building to something. I don't know exactly what that something is. And I don't think I'll ever know. I think life is a. Is a continuing journey of. Of, you know, what's. What's the next thing. So it's. It's that sense of, like, hey, I'm focused on the future. I'm focused on what's coming up, and I appreciate what I left behind, and I'll certainly miss it, but I'm keeping my eyes forward.

Yeah. So many. I think. What was it, Muhammad Ali? It's not the goal, it's the journey, right? And it's like, you know, people can get focused on that. And, you know, one of the biggest demotivators is, gosh, I didn't hit my goal. I didn't hit my goal. And, you know, people get all worried about it. But to stay in the moment and to say that it, number one, is about the experience, not the money. It's about the journey, you know, do more than you're paid for. Booster number four, I think it's coming through, and it's a very clear message that we are talking about. It's about the experience. It's about the journey. The people that are looking to go from where they are to where they want to be, who they are to who they want to become, they need to understand. Enjoy the journey. Just because you're not who you are or not where you are doesn't mean that you're failing, and it doesn't mean that you need to beat yourself up. And if you want to get some attitude, look around. Enjoy the experience and the journey. That's all you're saying here?

Totally. Every day is a building block. Right now I'm learning Italian because I love Italy. Katie and I just went first time out of or first time for me in Europe, and I took four semesters of it in college, but I didn't remember anything because I was focused on filming and pursuing that part of my life. And so now I've come back to that. So I'm learning Italian. I'm also learning guitar. And in each of those things, language, music, it's all about doing things repetitively, doing it a little bit at a time and frustrating yourself a little bit. You know, going through those practice routines in Italian, and I have to review those words, and I miss a few words, and I just try to tell myself, hey, every time you miss a word, you're. You're building yourself towards getting that word next time. Same with guitar. Every time I miss a note, I try to deflect that negative Thought of, oh man, you missed a note and say, hey, wait a minute, you're one step closer to nailing that note every time. Because I think about the greatest guitarist and the people that I know that are fluent in Italian, that weren't, that were not born there. They didn't start out fluent in Italian. They didn't start out being master. And you know, that's the great Jeffrey Gittamer. He loves to reference the book. Every chess master was once a beginner. I mean, I truly believe in that thing, that everything is a process. And if you don't enjoy the process, how can you enjoy the reward at the end?

Well, if you become fluent in Italian and a master guitar player, your wife's going to have one cool ass husband. That's all I can tell you.

You know, I don't, I don't know if I'm trying to master either.

Everybody's gonna hate you. They're like, that dude, he speaks Italian and plays guitar. You'll never get invited to my party, I can tell you.

It's, it's, you know, obviously I want to learn how to do both of them. I'm not sure if I want to master either of those.

Okay, well, that's good.

But it's something, it's, it's a great outlet for me. In the mornings. I get up, I do a little guitar, I do a little Italian and it just gets my brain moving. It's just something that just kind of sets me on the course, gets my creative juices flowing so that I can roll into the rest of the day and help people.

Do you sleep much?

I do. I really believe in the power of sleep. I know there's this like sort of idea of the, of the entrepreneur or the CEO that doesn't get a lot of sleep. I believe in taking care of my body. Because you're. I believe in the connection between the physical and the mental. And I need all that mental for my creativity. And if I'm not sleeping a lot, I'm not creative. I'm not able to think the way I want to think. And I always want to give my mind the rest that it deserves, honestly, because I keep it moving a lot. I believe in getting up early, so sometimes I go to bed a little bit earlier than maybe some of those entrepreneurs out there who are digging it out. But I spent a long time working overnights.

So 1am to 10am those. That's unreal hours.

You know, there's this sense that there's a sense that I'm paying My body back a little bit for all of that. But I will say sometimes I do get inspired late at night. And so 10 o', clock, 11 o', clock, if I feel it, if I feel like, oh, man, I gotta write, I gotta write something. I do a little bit of screenwriting. So if I, if I really want to write, I allow myself the opportunity to break out of the routine a little bit. I try to listen to my mind, listen to my body, and if it says, hey, you're feeling good right now, you're feeling creative, roll with that and then go to bed.

You know the number one anti aging strategy, do you know what it is?

I don't sleep.

Yeah. I believe the bottom line is the people that sleep the most live the longest. It's the number one thing you can do for your health and to look great and to always look young is to sleep. So, you know, when we talk about, again, providing value, some people feel like, I don't want to sleep, I got to give all this value. And they'll end up, you're a train wreck, you look like shit, and you can't do more than you're paid for because you're just too damn tired.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I want to maximize what I can give to the world when the rest of the world is awake, you know, when I can interact with people and I have the opportunity to help people, I want to give them my best, my best brain. And I really believe that the best thing that we can give to other people are ideas. And ideas, I feel like, are best generated when we can think, when we have a clarity of mind and we're presenting. And it's so difficult for me personally to be present when I'm not feeling well, when I'm sick or when I'm sleepy. I'm just. I'm just not there. And as a performer too, like I'm a podcast host as well as a producer, I have to be physically and mentally there or I'm disappointed with my performance.

So what's the best idea you ever got and what's the best idea you ever gave?

Oh, man. The best idea I ever had and gave, I think, honestly, is the name of Jeffrey Gittamer and Jen Gluckhouse podcast Sell or Die. It was, I spent. Because we were developing the podcast at the time and we had gotten a lot of. We had gotten basically everything, but the name said I built the set. We had bought everything we needed to buy to build the set. Jeffrey and Jen were clear on kind of what the Topics of conversation were going to be. We had lined up some interviews, but I hadn't. I hadn't found that name that really clicked with me. And so I hadn't. I, you know, I had to find something that worked for me so then I could try to sell it to Jeffrey and Jen. And I was flipping through the little Red book of selling one day, and I came upon several passages that, you know, Jeffrey is famous for. Kick your own ass. And just there was this sense through the entire book that's like, you're either first or you're last in sales. You either win the deal or you don't win the deal. There isn't a lot of middle ground or participation trophies in sales. And I was like, oh, yeah, you either sell something or you're dead. And then Jeffrey also has something in his speeches where he says that, you know, the customer doesn't care about you. The customer as a salesperson. Like, the customer doesn't care about you. Like, if you drop dead in front of them, they're like, oh, look, there's that salesperson died. Like, it's such a funny bit. And so then I was like, oh, it's gotta be sell or die. So I love that name of the podcast. It's definitely one of the best things I've ever come up with.

That's good. And I gotta give you kudos and thank yous for sticking to your guns when Jeffrey was trying to rename my podcast.

Well, listen, Jeffrey is one of the, the, the most inspired people. One of the most inspired people I've ever met. I mean, and just in terms of the, the way his brain moves and, and comes up with ideas for people, he's extremely creative. And so, and he, he, he knows that. And he loves that about himself, and I love that about him. And so, yeah, he's always trying to find something, so I definitely respect that about him. Also say, that's one thing I haven't mentioned yet, Glenn. I really attribute doing more than you're paid for to the support system you have. I did mention that, but also the mentorship that you get throughout life, really paying attention to what other people have to offer, I think is huge. Jeffrey's been a big force in my life, but also my dad. My dad and I growing up, didn't have the greatest relationship, but I always respected that he did whatever it took, however many jobs it took to support my brother and I and my mother. And for all the disagreements that we had, I never lost that respect for him. And, And I think that. That's. That's been a huge guiding force in my life is not only doing what you're paid for, but doing whatever it takes, getting the job done, no matter what I think is. Is. Would be on my. My family crest if I had a family crest.

Yeah, that's cool. You know, you just really reversed it. You know, do more than you're paid for. But what you really are saying is, you know, if you're on the receiving end of somebody doing more than they're paid to help you with, to acknowledge that, to embrace that, and to learn from that, I mean, maybe that's the lesson. Nobody's ever really flipped it like that, but, you know, do more than you're paid for focuses so much on you. Somebody's receiving that, and for you to bring that out is huge. And I think if people want to get attitude, right, if people want to fill the gap, sometimes I think what we're really talking about is gratitude. Sometimes we really need to understand there are people in our lives and our support structures that are doing more than we're paying them to do. And sometimes we shit on them. We don't understand it, but oftentimes we're married to them, right? Oftentimes it's your kids that are doing more for you. So, Doug, that's brilliant, and I want to thank you for that. Doug, we are here with our favorite segment. The feedback has been great. People are loving this. Again, if you guys like what you're hearing, make sure that you're sharing this, that you're rating this, and that you are subscribing. This is knowledge through the decades. So, Doug, what we want to do in this exercise, if you will, is have you think about the times in your life from 0 to 30 and the lessons you learned either about attitude or about doing more than you're paid for or just something profound. And what we'd like you to do is think about when you were a newborn baby or when you look at a newborn baby. What is the lesson that our gappers can learn from somebody that is a newborn?

Yeah, my friend just had a newborn, and I got to be there right after he was born and hold him. And I immediately thought about the way that babies look at things and they're seeing things for the first time. I mean, everything for them is a new experience, and they can't remember the experiences because they don't have that brain development yet. So then they get to experience everything that they see again for the first time. And I really want to try to Live my life in that way as much as possible. To experience things for the first time, to find that joy in everything.

Perpetual happiness.

Right.

It's like I've been making these goofy faces, but you keep smiling at me.

So listen, you have to force yourself because I think we're naturally, we can remember our experiences and things in our lives do become rote sometimes. But if we force ourselves to look at things with those fresh eyes and experience things in that way, even if we have to lie to ourselves, I think it really unlocks wisdom for us.

Yeah, that's good stuff. And so you know what, you grow up and you finish your first decade and you're 10 years old. I'm thinking, is your brother older or younger than you?

My brother is 11 months younger.

Oh, you're an Irish twin. Yeah, how about that? I got a pair of those in my family. Mom and dad didn't waste any time. All right, well that's cool. So you're 10 years old. I don't know if you're hanging out with your brother or not, but what is the one attitude lesson or just the one profound thought that Doug can teach us when he was 10?

I think 10 year old Doug, I would say maybe be nicer to your brother. That would have, I think that would have benefited 10 year old Doug. But I think it's. I Wish As a 10 year old, I don't even know if this is possible, Glenn, but I wish at 10 years old I would have documented more. I think it's always tough at that age because you are, you're still, your mind's going a thousand different directions. But I really wish that the times that I spent with my grandmother, she was a huge influence on my life. Times with my brother, I mean, I really wish that I would have been able to document more.

Yeah, that's cool. You know, we, I often think that 10 year olds are, it's actually the height of creativity for people and their life. And 10 year olds come up with some of the strangest, most amusing ways to entertain themselves. And I know we had many of them and I'm thankful that we've documented some of those, but I think that's good. And for the parents out there, or the guardians, yeah, maybe it's not a bad idea if you got a 10 year old running around to try to give them a few written memories if you can. So boy, you grow up, you go through high school, you go through your teenage years, and then Doug turns 20. What is the attitude lesson from 20.

Year old Doug 20 year old Doug was in college and I was really, I was thinking very big, I wanted to do big productions. I was thinking about doing, I was working for student television at the time and I was thinking about doing these, you know, huge hour long pieces. And I wish if I could give some advice to 20 year old Doug, I would say slow down and finish things. You know, make sure that you follow through and that you finish things. Because there are a lot of things that I look back on at 20 years old and I went, man, I really wish I would have just taken the time, those, those extra steps and followed through with a few things.

And we know one of the biggest attitude deflators, right, One of the biggest things that drags people down is unfinished business. Unfinished business doesn't remain unfinished. It grates on you. It, it is in your head, it's in your heart, it drags you down. So 20 year old Doug, that's great advice and hopefully our people, our gappers are going, I got some unfinished business. Because look at unfinished business is probably one of the most aggressive attitude agitators that you can have. So we go through our 20s. It sounds like you had a lot of fun there and then boom, it sounds like when you were 30, you landed in Charlotte. What, what did 30 year old Doug, what advice can he give to our gappers today?

Oh, a 30 year old Doug was taking the advice that I would have given to 20 year old Doug which was finish things, follow through on things. And that was only two years ago because I'm 32 now and 30 year old Doug would just say to keep working, to not be satisfied. I think that's what 30 year old Doug would say and that's honestly what 32 year old Doug would say is don't be satisfied yet. Don't be satisfied yet. Because I don't want to get stuck in the progress trap of always feeling like, oh man, there's that one thing I missed or, oh, I got to get that one thing. So I always say, don't be satisfied yet. Keep pushing yourself. But, but keep also asking yourself, hey, what am I working towards? What you know, have a, not necessarily a finish line but, but have something that you're working towards that, that you can feel comfortable with and feel like, hey, I helped a lot of people, I made a lot of people happy and I'm comfortable with that. I'm really looking forward to whenever I get to that moment.

Yeah, that's cool. You know, sometimes there's, there's a great saying, hopefully you're blessed with dissatisfaction and all the positive things that can come from being dissatisfied. Not that you're saying to be dissatisfied, but so many people want the magic bullet. They want the magic pill. They want to create, you know, utopia and they want to create satisfaction. And yeah, 30 is just too damn young for that. You need to put the heat.

Yeah, totally. No, I try to appreciate, but be unsatisfied and try to let those two things balance each other out. Appreciate the experiences that I've had. And it's a lot of, you know, talking about moving from Charlotte to Nashville earlier in this episode. I appreciate what Charlotte gave to me, but I'm. I'm not satisfied with where I am. I'm ready to move forward.

That's good. Well, maybe you'll end up with Indianapolis with me and Jason someday. That would be fun.

There you go.

So, my friend, my friend Doug, I really, really appreciate your time again, I think you gave us more value than you were paid for today. Talking about your time at North Carolina, where everything started with the documentary that you want no one to see. I think all of us gappers should blow that thing up on YouTube and see because maybe you'll see. Maybe you should go look at it. How maybe average you were back then to what you're doing now. It's probably, probably leaps and bounds. But the big message of that was you need to have the guts and the balls to follow sometimes. You know, Mel Robbins talks about the power of intention. And obviously you probably didn't think about doing it. You probably saw yourself on the spot and you just went for it and did it. And kudos to you for that. And then, you know, the stories about being, being in the local news, the RFD and the jewelry sales business and what that meant, the stress of live tv, that straight up nature of doing more than you're paid for all the time and the experience, you know, your point that stop looking at the results, stop looking at the pay, but let's look at the experience is something that people really can and should do to make sure that they keep a top flight attitude and boost their attitude. And then certainly, you know, just wrapping it all up with your move, your time in Charlotte, with your work with the seller die podcast, your creation of the seller die podcast, hell, when it's all said and done, basically the creation of the Get Attitude podcast, you've been a real inspiration to me. I think you had some really poignant things to say for our gappers who are listening. If you want to get somewhere better, if you want to become someone more. I hope that this episode inspired you. I hope that this episode boosted your attitude. I want you to please share this with a friend. Share it on social media. Join the Attitude Movement at Facebook and the University of Attitude. Doug Branson, the owner of potaboutit.com we appreciate you and thank you so much for being a part of the Get Attitude to Podcast.

Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this podcast. This was a great conversation and I'm proud to help produce this podcast.

All right, you're the man. Be good. Doug, thank you so much. This podcast is a part of the C Suite Radio Network. For more top business podcasts, visit c-suiteradio.com.