Why Are You Sick, Fat, And Tired? Bridging The Gap Through Mindset Mastery With Dr. Pat Boulogne DC, CCSP, AP, CFMP - Mentor | Coach | Mindset Mastery | Speaker | Author | International Bestseller

In a world full of turmoil, despair and darkness, you need to carry the light. Season three of the Get Attitude podcast is where we will ignite your mind, your heart and your attitude. And welcome to the Get Attitude podcast season three, Carry the Light. And ladies and gentlemen, we have somebody that's going to bring light to your day today. Our special guest is a best selling author, speaker, most importantly, a mentor and a coach. And she's going to mentor and coach you over the next 40 to 50 minutes. And she does that by using something called Mindset Mastery. And the Mindset Mastery helps her promote and helps you bridge the gap when it comes to wellness initiatives. It helps you get unlocked, it helps you get fired up and ready to go. So, ladies and gentlemen, I want to introduce our special guest today of our Get Attitude podcast season three, where we introduce you to people who carry the light. And it's the one and only Dr. Pat. Dr. Pat. Welcome to the Gap.

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

I just am so happy that we got connected and I just, I mean, we'll just start here. I love the title of your book. You know, having a best selling book is so, is hard to do, but boy, when you got the title, when you got the title, it can really help. Why are you sick, fat and tired? You know, so many people when we talk about living in darkness, they're sick all the time, they're overweight and they got no energy. And so you are here to show us the light and carry the light on how to become healthy, thin or in shape, we should probably say, and full of energy. So, Dr. Pat, tell us a little bit about the book and tell us why you chose that title and maybe a couple quick thoughts on how to bridge the gap from the title of your book.

Well, that's a loaded question. But, you know, in 1996, I retired from active practice and I moved to Boston. And when I did that, I moved right downtown, right into the thick of things where the financial district is and the harbor. So there's always something going on. And it was also 10 degrees cooler on the harbor in the summertime than it was in the Back Bay of Boston. So what I did in my time off, I started to write and I would go to the gym and periodically I would go into this area called Post Office Square. And Post Office Square is where all the financial people came and hung out for their lunch. And they had this really beautiful, it was a beautiful, beautiful place. You had Charles Schwab's on one side, you had the two twin Towers, Boston Harbor Towers. And you also had the King and the Queen for the financial district there also. And so it was just really pretty. Wisteria was growing. But my observation was that were so many people who were sick and they didn't know it, and it was like, nobody home. You would ask, talk to people, and you would ask them, like, you know, tell me how you're doing, you know, and they would tell me all sorts of things. It was amazing what people will tell you if you just ask them a question. And so the other thing that I noticed from being living in Boston, from being on the Cape and where I lived, my office was on Cape Cod, was that in Boston with all these people. I did a lot more reading, so I was reading a lot more research at the time. And I read a CDC article from 2010 that had this alarming statistic in it. And the statistic was that out of everybody that they tested in this American study, everybody had dangerous chemicals in them. 212 of them, none of them are messed. And I'm going, wow. Lifestyle. How people were thinking, what they were eating, how they were doing their life, and the stress in their life was killing them. I go, for what? And then, you know, then I would ask a lot of other different questions during that time with people. I saw one guy one day walking that had this kind of greasy kind of sweat. And I walked up to him, I said, you're not feeling very good, are you? And he said, no. And I said, why don't you go to the hospital? And he said, well, I gotta work. And I said, it's not gonna. I go, you can't work when you're dead, right? I said, let's. I go. Let's go to the hospital, you know, And I called the cab, threw him in. And around three months later, something like that, this guy walked up to me. I didn't recognize him. And he said, it's you. And I said, you what? Who are you? And he said, you're the one that put me in the cab to go to the hospital. He goes, thank you. You saved my life. Wow. And I just went, wow. I go, thanks a lot. And I said, I go, I'm so glad. And he said, you saved my life. And he said, he goes, you're a miracle worker. And he walked away. Never asked me my name, never asked me what I did. He just wanted to thank me, which was perfectly fine. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's true. And so. But I had this experience, but when I was up there, just like Intaking a lot of information. I had a lot of contacts when I went to Boston, and so that was a great place. But what I realized is that I couldn't remain retired. And so. And because I had that, I'm thinking, wow, you have the ability to really connect with people very quick. I come from the Midwest, so we talk to everybody. And so you just talk to somebody. You can find out a lot of information from them and you can help lead them in the right direction. My whole time when I was in Boston, I rarely told anybody I was a physician. I was decompressing from working so hard before, and I just wanted to go do something to have fun for a couple years while I was doing that. So it was great then. I recently come across a statistic about three or four years ago that said 50% of our population in the United States is going to have some chronic illness or disease. When I read that, I started thinking about how do I put everything that I know in a book? And so I had some guy tell me years ago, he goes, you're going to write a book. I said, you're crazy. I'm not going to do that. And I go, when I retire, I'm just going to retire. I just want to go find a beach, do a little chiropractic on the sideline, and get a good suntan. But that never panned out. So I wrote this book. I was thinking about how could I serve masses of people and get my hands on masses of people with not having to know me and then getting something out of the deal. So the book why Are youe Sick? Fat and Tired? Tells you your starting point in your health journey. It works as an advocating tool, it works as a workbook, and it also works for you because when you go someplace like a country you've never been before, you always get a tour book. Most people are not familiar with their baseline and their body and what their foundational line looks like. So that. Why are you sick, fat and tired? In my women's business group at the time when it went to publish the first edition, this woman said, I'm not sick. I'm not fat, I'm not tired. I'm not buying your book. And I said, whoa, wait a minute. You just gave me an idea. You know, if you're fat, basically, you can look in a mirror and you know if you're tired, but you do not know if you're sick.

Ah.

The definition of health by Webster's Dictionary is, you know, all your organs are functioning 100% of the time, unfortunately you don't know that. And there's no process does not require time. And so when you're on the sick part and you don't know that you're sick, there are for as far as the statistic for prediabetes in this country, one third of the population knows it and it's symptomless, right? It's like say, oh yes, I, I'm pre diabetic, you know, I don't have that, you know, you wouldn't have necessarily. A lot of times you have to have so much dysfunction before a sign and symptoms shows up.

What, how do you know if your baseline is out of whack or how do you measure your baseline? Is it a blood test? Is it, does it have to do with, are you alkaline or acidic? Is that what you're talking about?

No, I'm talking about the book. Because inside the book is a host of questions that are specific to each organ system in your body, which will give you your weakest link and also will show you where you have your strongest link. And so like a clock, like the one behind me, even like a clock, it's in or a Swiss watch. Each one of those pieces have got to work together in order to get to Rome. They all go to Rome, you know, but they have to work together and they have to work in being consistently working together. When one starts to slow down, then it affects the other organ systems and your body will pattern out so you can go a long time without having any symptoms. I mean, look at the brain. They say that a good portion of it you never ever use. And so before you start to have signs and symptoms in the area that you do use, something has to been there for quite a while unless it's incredibly aggressive.

What are the. Look, I know there's a lot to consider in health, but like for our listeners out there who do feel sick, fat and tired, what are the three most important things that they could do in order to not either be sick or feel sick? That's what I would like to know.

Well, they should identify some simple basics. One basic is, hey, tell me, how have you been feeling for the last two years? Right? And because a lot of people just do their life right, they not reflected for at least a two year. But when you ask them that question, they kind of think like, well that happened or that happened, you know, that's something that's significant. If you take over the counter drugs, you know, or you know, like aspirin even or other Things the book is a candidate for you. That would make you that book very specific for you. And also if you take prescription drugs, because prescription drugs will mask what's going on. It doesn't get to the root problem. In my 38 years of being in this industry, I have seen a lot of people who don't know that they're sick and they end up having a heart attack and dying. And so looking at being overweight, I can't lose weight. I don't think well, I don't sleep. I can't get enough exercise. I'm so exhausted when I exercise, it doesn't work for me. I don't drink enough water. I know I'm not hydrating well enough. And I don't understand, like, how to put all the pieces of the puzzle together, like the proper diet part or the proper exercise or the proper sleep. And how do I make sleep hygiene a priority for me? And then you go into that proper mental attitude and positive mental, proper mindset and proper mental attitude, that whole group. And then you have to have that functioning nervous system where structure is function and proper posture, because proper posture houses how your body functions and you be hydrated for all of it.

Right? So posture and hydration, huge in how you feel. I love that. That's so good. Let'sand. I don't want toi know, you could go forever, but I want to justi want to try to get our people some specific tools, answers, formulas, whatever it might be. One thing that my wife and I deal with constantly is we are not good sleepers, and I think a lot of Americans aren't. I can get to sleep for three to four hours. I wake up and I'm wide awake. And my racing. What's your thought on why people can't sleep? And what are the two to three best things you can do to improve your sleep?

Okay, so I just want to go back to one thing that I didn't say before because we talked about tests, that the book is a questionnaire. And my rule is that I don't guess. I test. So this is the first test inside what other blood work that you might need going into the future? So it sets the baseline so you have an idea of what's going on in your body, in your health. Snapshot right now to answer the question about sleep.

Well, yeah, hold on. So the bottom line is this. I need to buy the book number one, and I need to test, not guess. And so is there a. How many different blood tests are there? Like, I go in and get My blood work done? And they go, yeah, everything checked out, you're fine. But I'm guessing that that common blood work is not the type of blood work you're talking about, right?

Well, you know, it could be, but the thing about blood work is that a lot of physicians, when they read blood work, you have high, low, and you have normal. So anything that's in normal for typical Western medicine, traditional medicine, they consider normal. I don't. I look what's trending high, I look what's trending low. So I want to know if I have a perceived problem. You know, if I'm looking at. My perception is going like, well, the last three blood workup, this is going in this direction. It might still be normal, but you want to know where it's trending. Then you can do the lifestyle medicine portion of that, where you're looking at diet first, because food is medicine. Then you're looking at exercise, Then you're looking at targeted supplementation for that specific organ system so that you can buff it up and bring it back to a better functioning level. Because that might help the other high scores. Because your scores on the questionnaire in the book are either low, medium, or high.

Yes.

And even that, I look at what's trending up or what's trending down and that type of thing. So you've got to know what the big picture of it looks like. And so there's in functional medicine, lifestyle medicine, there's other blood work that isn't really necessarily typical. But I will give you a really good tip for all your listeners, is that if there is a full panel that you could order instead of the one thing like if you ever get a thyroid done, you want to definitely want to hold thyroid panel. You do not want to have just T4. The T4 doesn't tell you anything. It tells you the score of the T4. But you really need to know how that interreacting not only in the blood, but also how that gets with and interacts with three and gets into the cell. That's where the foundational part of your health is, and that's where inflammation is an issue for people, too.

So get the thyroid panel.

Get the full thyroid panel.

Full thyroid panel.

If they do like a liver panel, you know, just say, you know, are you doing the full panel? It gives you better information. Because when you have better information, you can make better decisions. Making decisions, real things that are in front of you and not what somebody's speculating about.

Now, were you a general practitioner? Is that what you were, were you a specialist?

No, my back, my background is I'm a chiropractic sports physician. And I had a teacher that was incredible in nutrition. And I was fascinated by everything that he said. He was so far ahead of his, in his, like his things that he taught, you know, they were not, they didn't come out in the news or like this is the, you know, like don't buy marge and buy butter until like, you know, 20 years later. But he was saying that like from the get go. And so he always had, you know, these pearls of wisdom and it was just, I was like a sponge, like, tell me more, tell me more.

And who is this, what was his name?

His name was Dr. Chappell. He was a life chiropractic at that time. But he was pretty brilliant, you know. And I had two other mentors in chiropractic. A teacher, he's passed away. His name was Victor Frank. And he always said, what you got isn't necessarily what you got. I mean, you might have high blood pressure, but why do you have high blood pressure? And what does that high blood pressure relate to? Well, first thing that you know about high blood pressure, it has inflammation. And the more inflamed your body is, the sicker you will get.

And is chiropractic, because we've been looking at this too. Chiropractic medicine reduces inflammation, I would guess. And really, because I have friends that like do a chiropractor every other week or every month and they seem a lot more comfortable than me. I'm like, I think I need to start going to get an adjustment every month. Tell me what your thoughts are on that. I mean, for people that feel fat, sick and tired, would they benefit going to a chiropractor once a month?

They can, but they might need to go more. If the fifth pillar of health is a properly functioning nervous system, mechanics and structure is function. If you don't have good structure, you can't have good function. Something's going to trigger along the line of where those nerves come from the spine and go to the body. The brain controls and coordinates all functions of the body. That's a medically accepted terminology for all medical professions and all healing professions. We all know that it communicates to the body through the spinal cord and through all the nerve endings that goes to every tissue, every cell, every organ.

Wow.

And so if you understand that, then you understand the importance of getting your spine adjusted. Because if there's pressure, even a piece of hair on a nerve has been shown to Cause nerve interference and, you know, and it structures function. And, you know, anytime someone tells me that they had low back surgery or they had hip surgery, I'm going, did you see a chiropractor first? Because that pelvis, and if the pelvis has some torque to it, it's easy to take the torque out of it, along with some specific exercises to do, you know, so that you can become more mobile and more functional.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. How, you know, I'm just thinking this. How do I know if a chiropractor is good in my market? What's the best way to find the best chiropractor? So people that are listening to this going, you know what? That made a lot of sense. Dr. Pat, I want to go find a chiropractor. What's the best way to find a chiropractor?

Well, I think when you go to find a chiropractor, and I think, you know, I, when I had my office, I got adjusted at least once a week, and if I had something going on, I was there three times a week because I want to get it done and handled. It's like same thing in sports. When someone injures themselves, they're in PT for eight hours a day. They don't go like once a week for 812 weeks.

Yes.

You know, it gets handled. You address it and it gets handled. So in finding a good chiropractor, you have to like, you know, find like, you know, really ask yourself what your objectives are. Like, what is it that you want to get out of going to a chiropractor? Do you want to just move better? Well, you can go to almost anybody for that. And it's just like. But if you want to have the other internal part of your health, you're looking for people who have specialization, specifically, like in functional medicine and lifestyle medicine. You want someone who thinks outside the box. Because if they think that everything exists only in their box, which, and I know there's chiropractors that are like that and there's like Western medicine, doctors, there's everybody in profession that they're, they're stuck. They have their box, they have their nine dots, and they don't realize that other solutions are outside.

Well, how do you find those people? I mean, you ask questions, you just.

You got to ask questions, you got to say, like, well, you know, like how, you know, I want to know how you treat people. If you really have a hard time finding somebody, call me. You have my contact information on this Show. Excuse me. Just call me, you know, and you know, in your area, I can help you choose a better, you know, solution. So that. Because it's. To me, it's. The challenge is finding the chiropractor. I make it simple, faster, easier, quicker, so you can find the right person, you can get the adjustment that you need and get on with the rest of your life.

I want you to. You've talked me into it. How can people find you? Is there an email that they can email you at?

You know, you have my website, so my website. There's a way to contact me on there. But what I would use for today is just ask Dr. Pat.

Right? Ask Dr. Pat.

Yeah. And if you go@healthteamnetwork.com and so if you go on my website right there and you scroll down to where there's a microphone on the bottom, keep on going. Keep on going. Keep on going a little bit more right there. And that if you press that button, I love it. You can leave me a message and it gets directly to my. It goes right into my inbox. And then if you leave. Way to get in contact with you. I will respond very back as soon as possible.

So, doctor, go ahead. Thank you very much. That's great. Talk to me. I'd love to know what your definition of attitude is and who are your two best attitude teachers.

You know, I had somebody in my life who were my two best attitude teachers.

Yeah.

So I would have to say Jim Rohn.

Oh, I love it.

And the other person is Les Brown.

Oh, Les has been on our show.

Has he really?

Yes, he has. You'll have to listen to that.

I'm gonna. You know, I was at a meeting in Atlanta, Georgia, this January, and the gentleman who was doing this show, doing our program that day, and that his phone rang and he answered it and it was Les Brown. And he goes, hey, Les, say something to these guys.

Pretty awesome.

It was pretty awesome. And I think I'm gonna be seeing him. I'm gonna be in Chicago at the end of June at a conference where he's going to be presenting also.

Wonderful.

So I'm looking forward. I love positive people. I mean, if somebody's got a better way to do it, tell me. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel or anything else like this, but I think for those two people that I listen to or go back to or if I'm stuck or I feel like I'm stuck, I listen to Jim Rohn almost.

Yes.

You know, I either listen to them when I'M still making the alarm. My snooze hit a couple more times or. And I always tie my alarm clock to do that.

Yes.

So, like I know that someone goes like, drives me crazy. I'm going, well, then, you know, go in the other room.

Right.

It's how I do my morning. And so then I listen to around 20 minutes, 25 minutes, something like that. And then I get up and I do my day. Because I think if you start your day with a positive thought, it can change your whole day.

Sure, sure.

You know, and if you. And you know, likewise, if you're doing things like, you know, how can I get in a better attitude? Well, don't watch TV at night before you go to bed. You talked about for the sleep. This is for sleep.

Yeah, let's, let's jump back to sleep. How do. What's your advice for getting good rest?

Well, I'm going to cover that right now with this too. So it's just like turn electronics off, turn your WI fi off, you know, and get some energy busters for your electrical outlets where you're sleeping at. And so what it does is it just helps you so that you're not getting bombarded with electromagnetic radiation from an electrical outlet, because even though nothing's in them, they're still firing. And so if you have one of those right behind where you're sleeping, it's aiming right for your head and then make the room as dark. 68 degrees is a great temperature to sleep in. So you can get more sleep if you're eating your main meal a little bit earlier. You know, that's a good thing to do. And so like if you take a hot shower, take those. I just found these. I thought these were the coolest things that I found like on Amazon, and I think I saw them on a Facebook ad or something like that and I just opened them up. What is this panel of all these size, different size dots. And so I'm looking at the demonstration and they put these things that go over the led and those things are enough sometimes to keep you up. Isn't that, you know, when. So when they're on.

So the listeners that have their phone on their nightstand next to their bed, charging with the WI FI on that it could actually affect how you sleep.

Well, it's not charging from the WI fi, it's charging from the electrical outlet.

Right.

But it can affect how you're sleeping, you know. And also the other thing is that for your telephone, unless there's some reason why you would have to have it on. You might want to have it on across the room or turn it on to airplane mode. So, you know, because if that's sitting right next to your head, if you get one of those electric plug, you know, where you're seeing the voltage just coming out of them and that you can measure that per room. And it's like. And you would be really surprised about what Disposally acceptable. But for me, I don't have anything on around my head, in my bed.

Practicing. What do you call it? Chiropractic, or. I don't know what the name is.

Chiropractic.

Yeah. Practicing chiropractic for as many years as you did. What are the most. What were the most common? When people walked in, was there an overwhelming symptom or condition that you said, man, you know, one third of my people that come in here have the same problem. And that problem is. Or was it nothing like that? I would just. What I'm trying to do is I identify like the two biggest conditions that people walked in over the 38 years. Or you go, glenn, half the time it's usually this. I'd love to know what your thoughts are on that.

Well, usually low back pain is what they. First people would walk in with. And the second thing people would walk in was like, shoulder. I'm a shoulder queen. I can fix shoulders easy for me. People. I've been covered in offices where I've done a favor for somebody and one guy offered me. He goes, I'll give you whatever you want if you can fix my shoulder. I said, anything? He said, anything. And I said, gold bullion. He said, can't afford to go bullion. I said, silver. I'll take platinum. I said, I'll fix your shoulder no matter what. Anyway. And I fixed his shoulder. He was like, wow. I couldn't lift my arm five minutes ago. And I have full range of motion. I said, let's ice it. Put some stem on it, and then you're all set to go. And then I saw him one at a time when I was there. A year later, I was there, and they called up everybo that I ever saw in their office during those times. And he comes in, he goes, my shoulder's killing me again. I can't believe you're here. This happened two days before. And I said, well, I said, this time is going to cost you two gold bullions and two bricks of silver and two, you know, like platinum or whatever. And so. But it was. It's fun. It's like, it's just to Me fixing shoulders is not complex for me. For some people it is complex. It's just I see how the shoulder and the neck are so intertwined for a lot of things. People are dizzy sometimes just because they such tight muscles in their neck. So you have to figure out what's going on with that posture and where's the head sitting over the body. That makes that more stress and that you're constantly having overuse syndrome in your neck, so you have a strain of some sort.

Wow, very good.

And back to the sleep thing. So I'm going back to that too. The other thing is having a bed that actually is good for you and having pillows that are underneath your neck that support your head. So you want, if you're sleeping on your side, you know, like being a pillow between your knees or your ankles, you know, something like that. And also having a pillow underneath your head so that when you're looking at someone's back from the base of their skull here and their spine is basically parallel to the bed.

I see.

And then having the bed come up feel like it's caressing you and supporting you and not that you're going into the bed. So a lot of times people buy beds that are too soft.

Yeah, Very, very interesting. Talk to. Talk to me about, you know, your take on, I guess, attitude, you know, in today's current world, right, you're going around and speaking. You got people reading your book, chiropractic, you know, it's almost a religion, I think. I don't know. I think there's so much great information around that. But when it comes to how people are thinking and how people are thinking about their health, what do you see as the biggest mistakes or the biggest, I guess misnomers in medicine that maybe people should pay attention to. And again, I think we had talked off air, maybe the four steps that you talked about on getting healthy. I'd love to hear that.

Well, you know, one of the things is you have to understand why people get sick in the first place. And so there's three reasons why people get sick, primarily. One is trauma, and that's all about inflammation. And so the trauma actually starts for nine out of 10 children from the birthing process, which they create cervical damage in the neck. And so you start your life, you know, like when you're starting to move your head and make the muscles so that you can move. So trauma carpenters doing things perpetually on one side. Like I usually always adjust on the left hand side of the table when I'm working. It's easier. I'm right handed so I can do things that I need to do. And so I always like making myself work from the other side of the table for that type of thing. Then there's toxins from the air that you breathe, the water you drink, the fluids that you use in your clean your office, clean your house, the garden outside you have chemicals that are using that you're inhaling. People who have those airplugs that they plug into their wall, they should throw them out. If you google it, they are carcinogenic and they should not be. How they're still being sold, I have no clue.

And in cars and the little airplane.

In cars, oh yeah, they're all chemicals. If you can't when you go to read labels on food, if you don't understand what you're eating, you shouldn't eat it. And if your cosmetics don't have, if you can't eat your cosmetics, then you shouldn't put them on your face because 65% of what you put on your body gets absorbed into your body and it has to be processed. And then the last thing that is the third T for why people get sick is thoughts. And thoughts can undo five to seven times the amount of what you do Good to correct the trauma and to correct which would be chiropractic and the toxins in your system making your house more green. Thoughts, when you have ruminating are keeping you up at night. So I have a chart that I don't have available here. But on this chart I talk about emotions. Like 22 emotions that come up for your thoughts go into emotions on the right side are all the things that are really highly negative. Like when you're thinking about anything, that's the lack of anxiety, depression, pain. And a lot of those things ends up with fear. And the other sides on this chart is like the side of manifestation. Like when you're in love and you're in your vibe, you're in your groove, you're in your vortex. As Abraham Hicks says, you have all these things going on that are positive for you. All you got to do if you're on the right side of this chart is go, I don't want to be there anymore. Being happy a better option. And so how I can be happy is I can at least go through 21 days and think of 21 things. Three days, excuse me, three things a day that I can be grateful for. And gratitude is past. It means that it's already happened. So there's things in your life that were positive that happened in your life, you focus on those things and in 21 days you can see a huge change in your level of happiness. And it's a choice. When you wake up in the morning, do that positive thought and so on, the thinking part of it, about the attitude, that positive mental attitude plus positive mindset, plus wellness initiatives, which are the first three, the diet, the exercise and the sleep that will give you success physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually, socially. Work, home, play, relationships, doesn't matter. But it's having that mindset. So like, oh, this thing happened, so what can I do about it? It's even for if you want to go to sleep and your mind's going and you feel like you want to clean your closet out for the 20 millionth time, it's like, okay, what can I do about it right now? If there's something you can do about it, turn the lights on, get up and do it. You then get back, sit down and give yourself permission to go to sleep. And then if there's cell stuff going on, write a list because it's not going to go away in the next five hours and give yourself permission to go to sleep. It's very, very simple. It's a very, very easy process. I teach that to my clients a lot, you know, and attitude is altitude. So if you go like, you know, if I perceive when I was getting divorced on days that I thought my husband was an absolute idiot, I have to admit that I thought he was an idiot before I even thought those thoughts.

Sure.

And we had, you know, ended up having an amicable divorce. But my attitude had to change because we worked in the same office. And so, you know, and when I went in to go work in my office, because I had a very busy office at the time, whatever I had going on in my life, you know, I left outside the door because I felt whoever I'm working with, and I still feel this way to this day when I'm coaching and mentoring. You deserve 150% of me. You don't deserve 79%. And a lot of people don't come to work with 50. They're depleted by noon time, you know, little one at 5 o' clock at night. And then they have nothing left over for themselves. Little known people who really matter to them, like their children and their husbands and their families and their other friends that are surrounding them. So I think that the, you know, when you talk about attitude, the attitude starts within you and it's just like. And you know, when, and someone gave me advice when I went to Europe by myself when I was 27. And, you know, my father said, you don't have to go if you don't want to. And I said, why wouldn't. To me, this is how my thinking was even at that time, why wouldn't I not want to go just because my friends decided not to come? I'm still going.

I love it.

And so he said, he goes, well, you know, and I said, well, dad, don't worry. Screaming's universal.

Yeah.

You could hear. You could feel him gasp. It's like, like, I can't believe you just said that.

Go ahead.

And so I went and what somebody said to me on that trip, my mentor said to me at the time, he said, everything's just an experience. You know, you don't have to hold onto that for the rest of your life. It's just an experience. And so when you come from that point of view, it's like you miss your train. It's not the end of the world.

Yes.

You know, if you like, you know, someone sold your American Express checks, but you got a place to stay, you know, it's just like, it's not the end of the world. Your checks will be replaced. It just means it's maybe protecting you from something else bad happening down the road. So I always look at any interruptions as an opportunity. And the other thing about attitude is anybody who I ever see walking by me, you know, around me, even if it's in, if someone looks me directly in my eye, I try to make a point of stopping them and having a conversation or at least saying a really warm hello to them.

I love it. I love it. So I love the fact you just should say it's an experience. Whenever something goes wrong, whenever something diverts you to just walk through Gappers, we call our listeners Gappers. Gappers. Next 30 days. Try the thing. When things happen wrong, do you go, well, you know what? It's just an experience. I think that's just a great way to frame it. One question we always like to ask our people because I think, you know, sometimes people go, they weren't around. But I always love to know what you learned from your grandparents first. I don't know if you had a relationship with grandma and grandpa on either side. If you did. I always. We always get great quotes from our guests when they think about their grand folks and if they didn't, maybe you're, you know, everybody's attitude coaches are very first two or their parents. I'd just love to know a little Bit about your family history in that. What did you learn from grandma and grandpa? It only needs to be one, doesn't need to be all four. Like, you know, who was it and. Or your parents about attitude?

Well, you know, my grandmother on my father's side passed away when she was 42, so I never knew her. And my grandfather on my father's side, I thought he was really a tough person. He had no empathy, you know, or no, it was like when you, you, when you talked to him, you just said, you know, yes, grandpa, right? Slipped, you know, and you know, but my father always had. My father was kind of like him, but he was kind of had had a little bit more warmth too. And he also had an incredibly dry sense of humor. He always said, if you can't nurture yourself, you can't nurture somebody else. Love it before you get in a relationship with somebody, you know, he goes, you better be able to take care of yourself first. So I learned a lot about self sufficiency in my life from a very early age on because my mother, by the time my mother had me, she was done having kids. And my oldest sisters basically raised me and I had more contact with them even though I had contact with my mother. I have more memories of being with my older sister and my third sister especially. And you know, but there's always that, you know, that was like my part of. My siblings were more like my mother, my sister that I really like her and I are a lot more like my father as far as our thinking goes. My father always told me that I could achieve anything that I wanted as long as I just kept to it.

Cool.

And so that was something I learned from like a young kid. And I learned like, you know, like lessons after like happened. He would always say, like, well, what did you learn from that? Like when I ran away from the house to go see the school because my mother wouldn't take me with my boyfriend across the street and the cops stopped us and I didn't believe he was a cop because my dad told me that, you know, people dress up like other people and they want to do harm to children. And so I refused to get in the cop car. I just said, just tell me where Commonwealth Street's at and I'm going to walk. And so that was me at 4 years old. And so my father got. Came home that night. He just sat down outside with me and he goes, you know, you can't play with Mikey for a week. And I said, yeah. I go, I said, but he's just right there. And he goes, well, you can talk to him. You just can't play with him. He lived across the street, you know. And then he said to me, why did you go anyway? You know? And he goes. And I said, because I wanted to go. And I told him the story about wanting to go play in the playground. And I asked my mother three times, and she didn't answer me. So I decided to just take matters into my own hands. And then I said, but I wish that I would have done one thing, you know. And I remember telling him, I go, I didn't look back at my street. So when I was coming back from the direction, the reason why we got lost is because we didn't know what street to turn down as we didn't look at what the street looked like on the corner that we had to turn, you know. And when I was five years old, four years old, you know, you kind of learned about reading, but you didn't read most fluently. You didn't really learn reading until you got into, you know, the end of kindergarten, going into first grade and that. So my father just said. So I go. He goes, the moral of the story is always look where you come from.

Yeah, ain't that the truth?

You know? And so. But those are just like, you know, a couple things, you know, and my grandmother was really. She always said what she did she regretted in her life was that when she was 80 and people, you know, and men would open doors for her, she said, I wish I would have, like, because she was just one of those people just, I'm on mode. Just go. Just open the door and keep on moving. She said, I learned to take a breath. She said, so learn. She goes, when you walk up to a door, learn to take a breath.

Yeah.

And that was like one of her. When she was 94, she had that conversation with me.

Since we're. We're winding down our podcast now, we do something with every guest called Knowledge through the Decades, where we're going to walk you through your life and ask you what the attitude lesson is for each decade of your life, if that's okay. So this is meant to be fun, and we're highly edited, so if you don't like your answer, we'll throw it away. And I know nobody wants to give their age, but we'll just keep going until you say, glenn, I haven't hit that decade yet. And so this is just, you know, just fun. It's a quip, it's a couple sentences, you know, when I think about this. This is what I think, my attitude lesson. When we talk about childbirth and coming into the world, what do you think the attitude lesson is of new birth, rebirth, or a newborn baby?

I think that my attitude was freedom.

Right. Interesting.

It wasn't worth freedom. I was out.

Right? I was out. And isn't that interesting? Haven't had that one before. But freedom is certainly an attitude that I don't know, that we cherish anymore or take the time to look. But maybe, just maybe, some of our gappers are living inside the womb of their mother still. Right? You talked about the people with blank stares, the unhealthy people. We call them zombies. Attitude zombies. You can see zombies everywhere when you walk around. And I think as a metaphor, you know what? Maybe some people are stuck in the womb and they don't feel free enough to change their lives, to become not fat and not sick and not tired. So I think that's a great answer. Do you remember being 10? And if you do, that's fourth or fifth grade. What is your attitude lesson? What happened to you? What experience did you have at 10 that you said, you know what? Here's the story. And this was my attitude lesson.

Well, Sister Bernadette was my fifth grade teacher, and I was the last of five kids, and she taught every one of my siblings.

Oh, my God, I'm the last of five, too. No wonder I like.

Well, Sister Bernadette could never get my name straight. Oh. And so, you know, for the whole time. So what I learned was that you never talk to anyone. And, you know, for her, because she would. She had that pointer thing with a little rubber thing, and she would say, kathy, Jackie, Michael, Patty. Patty, because everyone called me Patty. And by that time, you forgot what you were supposed to say, whatever she was asking you, because she was so intimidated. So I just learned to stand up for her myself.

Okay, so is that because we had a technical glitch and you said, yeah, well, my attitude lesson was standing up for yourself when you were 10. Is that correct? Love it. So then you turned 20 and so you might have been in college. My guess is you were somewhere in college. I'd love to know where it was. And I'd love to know what your attitude lesson was that you learned at 20.

Well, I was at Eastern Michigan University and I was studying Premiere Med there. I took all the courses for pre med. So someone said, you really should say that you're studying pre med. And what I learned is that, you know, I kept on fostering, like, doing what I love to do. And if I took, you know, my father always was complaining about why are you taking this class? I said, because I just love it. I mean, this is what I love to do. And science is always an easy venue for me. It's always interest me, like how things work, why does that work that way? And so, you know, it was a time of like, you know, he was learning camaraderie and learning to work in environment with people. I had four roommates when I was in school and we lived in a really old house that was famous in Ypsilanti. But I think at 20, it's just like, you know, deciding like, you know, what's my next step and you know, and also, you know, learning to collaborate.

Collaboration. Interesting. And then you got out, you're now a doctor in third, you're probably into your career or just starting becoming a chiropractor. What was your attitude lesson at 30 that you learned?

Well, when I graduated, I was 31 years old.

Oh, wow.

And I got married just before I graduated and my father did not want me to be a chiropractor. He wanted me to be an electrical engineer, of course. And so that didn't go that way. And so what I learned is that when I made a decision outside of his box, it was my breakaway from my parents.

Aha, good.

My father said, if you're gonna go, you're on your own. And I went, great, see you later.

Probably the best thing he ever told you. Like it is for most kids, right?

Yeah, I mean, it's just I wasn't going. I didn't want to go back to Michigan where I live. And I just knew that there was something else out there and I was going towards where that was. I didn't know where that was gonna end up at, but I ended up, you know, going. My ex husband was French and so we spent time in France doing chiropractic and we spent time back in the States before we settled, decided where to settle in the United States. But it was at that time that was that big thing that, you know, I did it and I was really proud of it.

I love it. And you know, so many of our gappers, so many people, when you think why people are sick, fat and tired, it's because they're in the same box. It's because maybe somebody has said if you do this, that don't come back. And when people are never told that, then they sit in that box and that makes them tired, it makes them sick, it makes them fat. And so My hope for the gappers, as you listen to this is to really analyze your life and to be thinking about, have I been sitting in the same box? Not just for a year, five years, 10 years, but maybe for your whole life. Let's go to 40. Do you remember being 40? You probably had some kids, I don't know. Tell us about 40. And at the age of 40, we. What was the attitude lesson you learned.

At the age of 40? I was preparing to sell my business.

Ah.

And so. And I had a very successful business. I bought something for on the low functional side. And I made it something very special and was able to. I sold it for around 150% more than what I bought it for. And so the. And that worked out well. And when I was 40 was where I just. I thought, I don't want to live on Cape Cod. I don't want to live someplace I don't want to die. Like I said, somebody. I don't want to die on Cape Cod.

Right.

Because I was now single. It was a great place to be married and have kids. And I didn't have kids. I had patience.

Yes.

And so I decided I wanted to go live in a big city. And so at 40, I went to Boston and met a woman whose father was in the basketball hall of Fame. And she invited me to model for this Baroness. And I just asked her a simple question. I said, do you think a white faux fur coat or a taupe. Faux fur coat. And that's how I met her. And she said, wow. She said, you're perfect for something. Can you come on Saturday too? And she scribbled this out in her name. And when you go to the door, just tell them, show them this, and they'll see what name. And so I auditioned to model, and I started modeling in Boston at that time. It was a blast. I love was so much fun. And I got to meet, like, so many people during that time. And I learned about how important connections are during that time also, you know, because there's a group of people that I knew in Boston that were very connected to, like the piping industry or to the plumbing industry or to, you know, the skyscrapers and like the crane cranes, you know, and. And what that meant to a city and how financially functional city was by how many cranes that you could actually see out your window.

Interesting.

From living downtown. And it was. It was interesting to have that connection and have that, you know, being able to get cut in front of line, you know, and get in without having to wait forever. To get to go someplace.

I'm gonna go with reinvention and connection, as was the attitude that you did.

Thanks for summing it up for me.

Yes, I think you did good. Are you 50 yet?

I am.

All right.

Yes. And so by the time I was 50, I decided that I wanted to go learn about acupuncture. And so I decided to go to back to school and go to acupuncture school. I was living in Boston. I had private clients that I would see and do because I always thought that if I could consolidate what I could do with somebody, I could get more done in five visits, doing our visits than I can in a two month or three month time span.

Sure.

And so that's what I did when I was up in Boston. I just decided to have private clients go work out, go bottle. It was, you know, you were doing it and then travel. The airport was only a half hour away from me and you know, tickets to go overseas were like 300 bucks round trip at the time. So thinking who I go, this is a no brainer, right? So in my 50s, I applied to acupuncture school and I went back to school and I studied in Mandarin, that is.

And so you know what I think of there is adventure, right? I mean, maybe when you turn 50, you said, hey, it's time for this flower to blossom and I'm going to go do all this new wonderful stuff in adventuring that's so admirable and cool. And I think so many of our people listening right now is a great opportunity for you to say, you know, what adventure do I have in my life? Life? And it certainly helps you have. You don't feel tired when you're reaching out and adventuring. Right. It creates energy, it creates passion in your life. I just think that's great.

I came up with two things during that time. One thing was the Patricia Balon Fun and Frivolity Foundation.

Oh, cool.

And so that was all about, where do we go next on our next trip? And the other thing thing was that, you know, I tell people, I said, if you're going to celebrate your birthday, your birthday is not over until you get your last present. Well, they go, so when does it start? I said, with your first birthday wish. So the year that I turned 50, somebody said to me in Key west, happy birthday. So that year was my gift because it was a big birthday. I went someplace, I traveled someplace I've never been to. Every month I went for a week. Oh my gosh, you know, and so, and that was My gift to myself for having a big birthday and, you know, being able to enjoy it then. Because I always thought, who wants to be 60? First time I went to Italy and I was in Venice, I saw these old people, 50 because I was 20 in my 20s. Right. But you know, I'm looking at it thinking, oh, I said, you can barely get around. It takes them all day long to do St. Marco Square. I can do St. Marcos Square in a half hour. Yeah. You know, and buy a pair of shoes.

You did it.

I just thought I go, I didn't want it to be like that. I wanted to be like, you know, if I had an opportunity, I wanted to be walk. I want to be able to walk up and down steps without assistance. So having my health and being physically, mentally and emotionally, that foundation was really important to me. So I always practice what I preach.

You have not hit 60 yet, have you?

I have.

Oh my gosh, she looks. Ladies and gentlemen, this gal does not look 60. All right, well, tell us when the big six O came. What, what was the attitude lesson?

I went back to Italy and that the adventure wasn't over. But what I like to do is I like the people watch. I like to look at people's posture, I like to look at how people do things. So on that 60th birthday, I would have been a little bit happier just going in one place and taking trains as opposed to driving like a mad person and having to go see that birthday. And you know, and I, when we got pulled over by the police because I made a, somehow made a left hand turn where I was supposed to do it, they tried to give us a fine and my girlfriend who was very like, well, let's talk this out, you know, kind of thing. And I said, just pay the. Do you have €150 on you? Pay him right out of here. Oh my God. You know, because he was, he chose my driver's license and was breaking it. I said, just give them the 150 year old.

Right.

And let's move on. It's just something that happened today. It's not going to be here tomorrow. So, you know, and I got to see a little bit more places. I went and studied Spanish and Barcelona at the time and, and walked everywhere. It's a really beautiful city and I really like doing that. So I still have this for being pulled across the pond. I haven't done that in a while.

I love it. So I'm going to just say that the attitude lesson of 60, as I heard your stories, was that of awareness, becoming more aware of your surroundings and possibly slowing down now. Don't tell me you've hit 70.

No.

All right, well, that's good.

This could have gone. I just think I could be nine to eight.

Oh, yeah, We've had some folks that have hit it high. So. So knowledge through the decades. That was sure fun. Pat. Dr. Pat, I hope you enjoyed it. She hit on, you know what, starting out as being as. Start as being free, standing up for yourself, being a collaborator, breaking out of the box, reinventing. She then talked about the need for adventure and then lastly to be aware of your surroundings. So that was just so much fun. I really appreciate you doing that. One thing we always like to do is to let our guests just give your final thought of inspiration, your final thought of hope. Just a message that you feel that our listeners could use, that they could use today, that they could use tomorrow, maybe perhaps for the rest of their life. What's your mantra? How do you stay positive? How do you keep your positive mental attitude? And what's your hope for the person that is listening to this show right now?

Well, I will start with this hope. My hope for people who are listening to the show is that they find where they're stuck and break through it. Because if you can take that stuckness and make it into a memory, then it will no longer be reactive in your body and you won't, which usually results in some type of disease process manifesting later on.

Wow.

So, you know, and so if you, you know, and that's part of the mindset mastery thing that I do when I'm working with people is that we find where that stuckness is. Like, are you really stuck? You know, so, like, how would you like to see? What would you like to do to get past that point? You know, and so then, you know, you walk the path. And one of the things that, you know, for inspiration is that you always have to think. I, you know, I think if you aspire to something that's great, I could aspire to be a chiropractor. Doesn't mean I'm never going to be a chiropractor. Right. But if I'm inspired to be a chiropractor, is the reason I do chiropractic or that I do, what I do is because I really want to help millions and thousands of people have better lives and have the right information in order to make better decisions so they know their next best step. So if I can leave somebody with that positive thought, you know, it's just like it just starts from the time they get up to the time at the end of the day when you go to sleep. So if something happens, pause, go take a shower, you know, get all that icky energy off of you. Go take a shower, go do meditate, go listen to Jim Rohn, go listen to Les Brown. Listen to anybody that makes your heart sing. Do what makes you happy. Then the rest of it will fall in place.

I love it. Dr. Pat, you've been so fun. I hope you had a great time on the Get Attitude podcast again. If you loved what you heard, go to health team network. Dr. Pat will be there there to serve you. She's got a great website with tons of information. Buy her book why are you sick, fat and tired? Take the test. It's a really a self discovery book and we want to thank you Dr. Pat for being on the Get Attitude podcast.

Thank you. My pleasure.