Marshall Goldsmith: Empowering Remarkable Lives Through AI

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I'm Guy Kawasaki and this is remarkable, people. We are on a mission to make you remarkable. And for his second appearance on this podcast, we have today, Marshall Goldsmith. Marshall is basically the top dog. Numero uno. Kerry Walsh, Jennings, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali. God, these are all sports analogies. I gotta come up with Stephen Wolfram, Carol Dweck, Angela Duckworth, all those great goats. Kelly Slater, all goats. He's the goat of executive coaching. Last time he focused on his book the Earned life, Lose Regret, Choose Fulfillment, as well as his revolutionary leadership advice. In today's conversation, we're going to discuss Marshall's aim to democratize leadership and enable people to learn through artificial intelligence. In other words, Marshall is going to explain how he has achieved immortality. And I would bet that this is going to be one of the more humorous, and that's hard to describe what you're about to hear. This is a conversation between two friends and we're both in love with artificial intelligence and it's gonna go all over the map. So his new venture is called MarshallGoldsmith AI and it lets anyone access his wisdom and expertise through a chatbot. There's marshallgoldsmith AI and there's kawasaki GPT.com marshall is all about what he calls knowledge, philanthropy. And basically he's using his technology to spread out his expertise so that anybody, anybody. You don't have to be a $400,000 client. You'll learn about that in this podcast too. You don't have to be a $400,000 client to get to Marshall's brain. So join me now with Marshall Goldsmith and also with some came appearances, brief as they may be. With Marshall Goldsmith AI. I'm Guy Kawasaki. This is remarkable, people. And here we go.

Why do you wear a green polo shirt? That's important question. People might. Inquiring minds don't want to know that. Why do you wear a green polo shirt? I'm asking my friend.

You're asking Goldsmith GPT the New Yorker.

Magazine, years ago, wrote a wonderful profile about my life authored by Larissa McFarquir. In the profile, Larissa noted that I always wore a green polo shirt, while I didn't actually always wear a green polo shirt. That's what she remembered.

So, in other words, we don't need you. We can just ask Goldsmith GPT and record the answer.

As my friend here.

My hearing is not good enough to tell. So is that your actual simulation of your voice, or it's just a computer voice?

No, it's a simulation of my voice.

So how do you feel being immortal now?

Oh, I like it. I like it. It's a. It's been a journey.

I am being somewhat facetious here, but conceptually, we could go to Goldsmiths GPT and have the audio play back to us and record it, and will have interviewed you.

Yeah, and it's smarter, nicer, and more articulate. But I'm funnier.

I. I have Kawasaki GPT. And I am also convinced that Kawasaki GPT is better at being me than me.

Mine is a better version of me. I won't say it's better than me. It's just. Well, it's better in some ways if.

I can combine Kawasaki GPT and Madison GPT. I truly am immortal. I'm immortal and improved. I love topics we might go off the rails a few times in this particular episode.

I loved our last session. Okay, I loved our last podcast. We did. And as I said, I was going to do my own podcast until after I did yours, and I said, I'll never do that because you're too good at it. So I said, I'm not going to work that much.

Oh, Mar. I. I don't know if I agree with the reason for your decision, but I think your decision is good nonetheless. Marshall, the hardest part of a podcast is not podcast. The podcast is hard, but it's getting the audience. Now, may. Maybe you can magically send out an email and get, you know, a million people to subscribe, but I certainly can't do that.

So are.

Are.

Are we getting ready to roll now?

No, we've been rolling already.

We're already rolling.

So listen, one of your books, I love this. What got you here won't get you there. So if you were to use that test, like, how does someone who believes that what won't get them to the next level? How does that person optimally approach AI?

Well, I think AI is a great case study of what got you here won't get you there. Neither you nor I, a Year ago would have had a clue what we're doing right now with AI. So this is a total surprise to me. On the other hand, this train has left the station. Option A, we can sit here and go, well, when I was a little boy we didn't have them things. Or we can actually make some good out of it. My vote is let's do something good, good here.

And aren't you worried about the paranoid people who spend hours and they say to the Washington Post, I spent a few hours on ChatGPT and it convinced me to leave my spouse and go live in Bali. And then it said I'm going to launch a nuclear war. And what about those horror stories that you hear?

Really? I am not an expert on old Tory stories. And in my elderly years I've decided basically, if I'm not going to change it, I'm not going to worry about it. What am I going to do about the Washington Post? Absolutely nothing. What am I going to do about these horror stories? Absolutely nothing. How much worried am I? Don't really care.

Okay, that's. That works for me too. But let's say, okay, your kids or your grandkids or something, they're copywriters and they see their peers being replaced by AI. What's your advice to them?

Hey, my advice to them is get with the plan. Look, the new world is the new world. That's saying I had a photographic memory for math and now they have calculators. Grow up. Hey, it's a new world. It's a new world. Just make peace. It is what it is. And you can sit there and say, you know, back to the old days. Well, back in the old days we'd have computers, you didn't have the Internet, didn't have a lot of things. So that's just the way it was. So I think to me, look, it's going to happen. Now, how old are you?

I am 70.

Yeah, hell, I'm 75. So let's face it, for two old guys like you and me, this is cool.

I think it's the biggest deal since the Industrial Revolution. Maybe bigger than the Industrial Revolution.

Look, I love it. I am a total fan of this stuff. I have been trying to figure out how to give away everything I know for 20 years with total and abject failure up until now. I tried interactive video, which clunky three thousand dollar machines which didn't work. I tried computer programs that had branching and all kinds of nonsense. We're talking complete and abject failure here for 20 years. This thing has just gone through the roof in the last year.

And what's in the data set of Goldsmith GPT?

Let me give you a little history. My original goal, which by the way, my original goal was far too small. My original goal was that Marshallbot, that's what his name is, Marshallbot could answer about 80% of the questions you would ask me about as well as me or close. That was my goal. That is long gone now. What I have fed marshallbot is I fed marshallbot about a million and a half words. So what I do is it's everything I've ever written, videos, all kinds of stuff have been transcribed and put in this thing. It knows me very well. Well then, if you ask it a question and it can't answer it, then I use the other bots to train it. So what I do is this. Let's say, how is your work related to something that marshallbot doesn't know? I will go to, say, Chat GPT or Claude or one of the other ones and they'll answer it. I will then review their answer. The parts I'd like to, I put into Marshall Bot and the parts I don't like, I leave out.

And when you say you will review, you mean manually?

Yeah, manually.

But couldn't people come and ask infinite questions like, explain to me astrophysics, Marshall Goldsmith?

Well, a very good point. Marshall Bot doesn't answer questions like that. It doesn't do politics. If you say, who is Donald Trump? You know what says, I don't know? It doesn't do politics, it doesn't do medicine, it doesn't do therapy, and it doesn't do financial advice. So any question about what I do, philosophy, life, that kind of stuff, it'll answer. But outside of that, it's pretty good about having guardrails.

I asked it a question and it said, this is not in my area of expertise, which is the same answer that Kawasaki GPT would give if it's not a subject I cover. So are you therefore very confident that it's not going to make shit up?

Ungodly good. The history of this is it started out with what I knew, but it's gone way beyond that. So what it does now is if you ask Marshall Bot, I'll ask it a question. For example, I just came back from India. How is your coaching philosophy?

My coaching philosophy is deeply related to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, particularly in the areas of duty, action, detachment and self improvement. The Gita emphasizes the importance of performing one's duty without attachment to the results, which aligns with my approach to leadership and personal development. I encourage leaders to focus on what they can control, their efforts and behaviors, rather than becoming overly fixated on outcomes, which are often beyond their direct control. The concept of nishkama, karma, or selfless action from the Gita, is a principle I integrate into my coaching. It's about doing the right thing for its own sake, not for the rewards it might bring.

This goes on and on and on. So, so basically, I just came back from India, and so again, in India, this is a Hindu philosophy. The Bhagavad Gita is a big deal. So somebody asked me, how's your coaching philosophy related to the Gita? Boom. There's the answer. And. But the answer isn't trivial. The answer isn't trivial. The answer is good. My daughter got me thinking about this. She said she wanted to trick it. How's your coaching philosophy related to utilitarian philosophy? I don't even know what utilitarian philosophy is, right? I have no clue what that is. All of a sudden, it studies utilitarian philosophy. It studies my coaching, it knows me, and it says, gee, how would Marshall answer that question? And it answers it as if it were me in my voice in five seconds.

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Do you believe that it's sentient?

Just depends how you define it. That's just a definitional argument. The answer is depends how you define it. I know one thing. It's smarter than I am. And it's smarter than I am. Look, if you go to Marshallbot, start asking you questions, and you actually thought, I knew that much I would be smarter than damn Albert Einstein.

Marshall, you and I, we agree so much because Kawasaki GPT has all my writing, all my videos, all that stuff. Plus it has the transcript of every interview I've done. For my podcast. So in a sense, Kawasaki GPT is not just my brain, but it's 250 other brains because of the transcript. So if I were to ask, how do you embrace the grit mindset, it would have what my thoughts are, plus Angela Duckworth. Because I interviewed Angela Duckworth.

Sure, you interviewed me. So you could probably ask it, what's the relationship between achievement and happiness? He would answer it and it would cite you.

I gotta tell you, Marshall, every day, once a day, I say to myself, how the hell did I do this before? Like, when people ask me to write blurbs and and forwards and contribute to journals, I go to Kawasaki GPT to get the first draft. Of course you think that's cheating.

According to who?

Washington Post?

I don't know. The thing is, a lot of life, old mentor Dr. Paul Hersey said, look, never argue about the definitions of words because people define words in different ways. Now, maybe the Washington Post would define it as cheating and you wouldn't. I, I don't think it's cheating. If you had to write a report and you went the encyclopedia, is that cheating? I don't think so. This, to me is the same thing. It's just a new world. And my daughter has to deal with this. My daughter's a professor at Vanderbilt and existential question, you quote, allow students to do this or not. She basically said, grow up, students could do it anyway. So option A, just give with a plan. Or option B, sit back and stick your head in the ground and pretend. Just turn them all into liars. I don't know. They're gonna do it anyway. Who cares?

Okay, now, at some level, and when I ask you this question, you'll know what my answer is. But at some level, does it just boggle your mind when you're told all it is is a large language model and it's just using math to predict the next syllable and the next syllable and the next syllable. And you hear that explanation, you say, how the hell does it seem so sentient?

That totally blows my mind. Yeah. Now again, I love this stuff, but I've got to say, that part just blows my mind. And as a coach, by the way, I use with every client now, every client I use in front of them. I'm not ashamed. I'm not ashamed to use this. Look, one of my clients is Patrick Frius, Dr. Fries. He's the Seal Rady Children's Hospital. They're merging with another children's hospital. He's going to be a co. CEO. He asked me what's it like to be a co CEO? There aren't that many co CEOs in the world. KKR has co CEOs, but not too many and by a lot of them don't work. So I asked Marshall about what's it like to be a co CEO? What's good, what's bad? What are your ideas? It was brilliant. Then he said I'd like to know more about this boundary setting idea. How about that? Brilliant again. Then he said Marshall, do you have any ideas yourself? On top of that I made up some really weak crap. Right? He kind of pat. Oh, your idea is good too Marshall. I'm sure he's thinking what a. I'll just ask, I'll just ask Marshall about. Look, who am I kidding here? My idea is around half as good as martial arts ideas.

I mean Marshall, seriously, in a sense it is immortality, right?

Yeah, only I'd say probably a little better because again I'm not putting myself down here but this thing is way smarter than I am.

I, I truly do believe that too. And so with, with my podcast because I interview somebody every week I add to the data set in Kawasaki GPT. So that's 52 more pieces of data a year and then if I ever stop being the interview and Madison picks it up then Madison is good for another 50 years. We could go for a long time.

That's right. And you know, why not now, does yours have audio yet? No.

And in fact this is a good question. When I saw audio on yours, I sent a screenshot to the person who's doing Kawasaki GPT and I said how come I don't have audio? What's the story here by the way?

All right, get ready to get more jealous. What's coming down the road for me?

First we had text, we're gonna have the battle of the bots.

What's coming up next is video. Yeah, you can see this green shirt guy that looks and sounds like me on video but we're not done yet. What's coming up after that? Video in multiple languages.

Yeah, and I don't know about you but actually you're 75. I'm 70. That could help in, in our lifetimes easily happen in our lifetimes.

Sure.

Well no, I think that will happen in my lifetime. Yeah, it'll happen next year. The rate of progress on this stuff is astronomical. I got lucky. So what happens to me is I'm coaching. These guys are that are founders of common called fractal analytics and I've got eight engineers in India working on this Thing. They have donated the money behind this thing. This is expensive, and this thing is great, so it's very fast. Mine goes well beyond me, though. Mine goes way beyond what I know and anything related to what I know. What's eerie about it is it knows me and it can study any question. It then says, how would Marshall, had he read all this stuff and knew as much as I do, which, of course, he doesn't. How would he answer this question? And with almost 98% accuracy, it gets it right. Wow.

And you know what? It's never sick. It's never cranky. It's never hungry, it's never sleepy.

It doesn't swear as much as me. And I ask a couple of my clients what this thing is smarter than me. Is there anything I do different or better than it? You know what they said? It doesn't give me shit as much as you do.

So, Marshall, are you still a guest for a lot of people's podcasts?

Oh, yeah. I still do podcasts every now and again.

Okay, so it seems to me. I don't know if you do this, but it just occurred to me that you should ask the podcaster for the transcript so that you can get the transcript back and put it into your bot.

That's a good idea, right? I'd say that's a very good idea. Thank you.

Hey, that's. I'm a value add podcaster. What can I say?

Oh, yeah, this thing is great. There's a guy named Stephen Balaban. Now, this guy, he owns an AI company, so he was going to trick it. So he said, I was going to hire an executive coach, but I'm doing this Series C thing, and I'm a founder. And he got really busy, and I didn't even return his phone calls. I feel embarrassed. What should I do? And he put it in Marshall Bot as a joke. Marshall Bot said, oh, well, I can understand that. This Series C thing is very important. I see why your founder is so busy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It gives him some perfect answer of what to do. He's an AI person. He goes, I don't even believe this. He didn't believe it himself. I don't even believe this thing. He just did what he did what it told him to do. Wow. See, I think every medical doctor is going to have one of these. Come on, let's get real. Every medical doctor has got to have an AI bot. If they don't, they should be fired. Come in. Look, I'm taking this medicine. What about that medicine? Is There a drug interact, they answer this stuff off the top of their head. They don't know what they're talking about. Let's get real here. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. How do you know that? There, there are studies, there are computers, people have numbers, you know, why are you sitting here guessing?

Also, if some brain specialist in Croatia wrote a medical journal article in Croatian, what's the odds of even a brain surgeon at Stanford Medical center knowing that someone in Croatia just put this in a medical journal?

Right.

Not in English.

They can't know that stuff.

Yeah.

Now, I, I think this is exciting. I think this is the new world. And I feel just very happy to be able to be on the positive edge of this stuff.

Now I still have one question though, about this. Because if someone asks a question that you have not specifically talked about and you said that it knows what you would probably say, how do you draw the boundaries? If someone went to your bot and said, what do you think of the leadership qualities of Donald Trump? Are you saying that it would say nothing?

As soon as it hears Donald Trump, it says, I don't know, it doesn't answer anything related to politics.

But Marshall, I could make the case that politics is in great need of leadership. So why are you avoiding that?

You know why? Because I don't want to deal with it. There are 2700 million problems in my older years. I've decided I'm not going to fix them. I'm going to delegate that to you.

I hope you don't mean me, you listeners, right?

Let me get, Let me give you my mission. Life as an old man. My mission is try to help people have a little better life. That's it. If I can help anybody have a little better life today, you know what I'm doing? I'm declaring victory here. And you know those people I coach, I always say, now when I coach people, I say, look, I hope I help you be a better leader, but end of the day, I just want to have a little better life for you. Then I always ask him a question, Is that okay? Is that all right? You might be shocked to learn that 100% of everyone I've ever coached about how famous and wonderful they are, you know what they said? That's a good idea. That's a good idea. Let's do that. Right?

In a sense, you are exemplifying the principle of under promise and over deliver.

Right? Yeah. I'm serious. I'm not going to do everything Peter Drucker said. Our mission in life is to make A positive difference, not to prove we're smarter, not to prove we're right. A lot of this arguing about stuff is let's prove I'm smart and let's prove I'm right. If it's not going to help make a positive difference, why are you even wasting your time doing it?

This is the gospel according to Marshall.

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Do you just no longer care that the bot can cannibalize you and maybe you're not gonna get some coaching gigs or something. You just don't give a then you just want to help the world.

Wait a minute. Do you know my coaching fees are?

I have no idea.

Well, I'd say I'm starting at about 400,000 bucks a pop. So do you really think anybody's going to pay me $400,000 a pop is going to sit there computer?

No.

I'm not really threatened by this. Wait, wait, wait.

So you're telling me that the entry point for getting coached by you is 400 grand?

That would be it.

Madison, take note of this. Madison, we're going to up our prices. Jesus. I just asked people to buy 25 copies of my book and you're asking for 400 grand. What the hell? That's why you're Marshall Goldsmith and I'm Guy Kawasak.

Whatever you've been undercharging. Now, I do a lot of work for free. So, for example, I'm working right now with the nice woman who's head of the dea. I don't charge her money. I don't charge money to the children's hospital people or all those people. I do that for nothing. I have two fees, either nothing or a lot.

It sounds to me like nothing or infinite.

What does it matter if you're a multi billionaire? The amount of money is irrelevant anyway.

I don't have that problem. So, yeah.

So basically I'm not threatened that I'm going to be replaced by my computer bot. And the other thing is, my computer bot has already answered 60,000 questions.

And how did you get the word out?

Such that I'm just starting to get the word out and basically it's already answered 60,000 questions. I can't answer 60,000 questions. That's.

How long has it been out?

It's been out for a little bit, but it's just getting better and better. We're just starting to release it right now to the world. The problem is I have so much demand that if I'm not careful, I can crash the system.

You're going to be worse than crypto. Your bot is going to affect climate change.

Now, the nice thing about me, though, it's all free. I'm not charged any money for mine now. Are you charging money for a guy bot?

No, not at all.

But see, you and I, you're a nice guy. You're like me. We're nice old men. Well, giving things away here, I don't.

Know if I'm a nice guy or I just can't get away with it because I'm not charging anybody 400 grand either.

But you know what? We talked about this our last one. I would tell you something. There's no amount of money in the world that make you any happier than you are now.

That's probably true.

Yeah. I can give you 25 million bucks tomorrow. You would not be one iota happier a week later.

I don't know about that, Marshall. Why don't we try that experiment?

I'm betting on it. You seem to be like a very happy guy.

I'm a happy guy, but I think.

You'Re a very happy guy. And common illusion is that somehow I'll be happier when I get money or this achievement or that Achievement. No, you won't. I look at you. You seem like you got a very happy life to me. Nice life. You meet interesting people, you do interesting stuff, you've done good for the world. What the heck, man. You got it all. All that matters in life is three things. One, do I have a higher purpose? Well, you have a higher purpose. Two, am I achieving something? You're achieving something. And three, is it fun for me? You seem to be enjoying yourself.

My life is complete.

There you go. What are you gonna do with a few more bucks? You gonna buy a bigger house or car or something? It'll make a difference.

Any I would buy a green Ralph Lauren polo shirt.

There you go. Now that's a worthwhile ambition.

Okay, I have. I have one last tactical question, because we've covered it already. But why doesn't your answers put citations? Why doesn't it say, this is where Marshall discussed this? So if people want to read more about a particular topic, your bot could point them to something.

I don't know.

I'm just curious. My bot does that better than yours.

There you go. Oh, my God.

This is like, you know, The Odd Couple, 2024. We're like Walter Math. Oh, and arguing about bots.

This is all good. And. And look, this is the future. Now, have you seen the Apple Pro Vision yet? That thing?

No, I refuse to look like a dope with that thing on.

Now, here's what's coming. Ultimately, you're going to walk into a room and I'm there, and you can't tell the difference. And you're going to be able to just there and have a conversation with me and talk to me, and it's going to seem just like the real me. It's coming. It is coming.

I believe that. I look forward to that day.

Whatever. It's going to happen anyway. Option A, have some fun with it. Option B, sit back and complain. So I'm going with plan A on this one, I think. Look, you're doing good. I'm doing good. We're trying to help people. What the heck? Also, we don't have total control of everybody else in the world. I'm not naive. Look, I wrote an article 25 years ago in a book called Community of the Future. And I said, Within 25 years, media addiction will surpass drug addiction and alcohol addiction combined is a social problem because of TV quality. Now we're there. Media addiction is an unmitigated disaster in our society. I'm not naive. I know that. I know the downside on all this stuff, the reality is, what am I going to do about it? Answer nada. I'm not going to change any of that stuff. So my attitude is, look, I can sit there and whine about all the bad things that might happen, so what? I'm not going to change them. Let's do something good.

Yeah, but Marshall, what if everybody has that attitude about everything? What can I do about democracy? What can I do about pollution?

My clients. My clients, if I talk and I start, sends them, but I charge them $20. So you see, you would have lost $20 right there when you said but Marshall. So I find him $20. Every time I talk, I say, no butter. However, $20. So one guy, he's stubborn. So I'm talking to him, he says, But Marshall said 20. I said, no, no, it's 40, 60. He lost $420 an hour and a half. What's your favorite charity?

What's my favorite charity?

Yeah, yeah.

There's a charity in Watsonville, California called Digital Nest. And what it does is it provides training in like digital skills to basically kids of Hispanic descent so that they have an alternate career path from agriculture to technology and other kind of knowledge work.

I love it. Will you owe them $20 for a thing?

Give me the 25 million, I'll give it to them.

So what is your thinking about this? Look, you and I are on the same path here. My view is I'm going with this thing. To me, this is the most exciting project of my life. For me, this is a lifetime. As long as they're willing to support this, I'm going to put my time and effort into this. I'm feeding this thing daily, I'm editing it all the time. I love it. What's the definition of legacy? Legacy is being there when you're not there. This is it.

This is it.

This is it. The only thing about this is, again, no offense to me, it's better than me. I'm not putting myself down here. The reality is it's smarter than I am. It's not even a contest. It's another planet ahead of me. Well, it's okay.

I would make the case that when someone like you admits that something like this is better than you, not only is it sign of grace and humility, it's also a sign of just how much class you have. There's a lot of people who would never want to admit that a machine is smarter than them.

I mean, to me, how can you deny it?

I don't know.

How can you deny it? The thing is just smart, right? And it can answer questions I can't answer, and it can answer questions I can't answer. Quicker, better. And the other thing is, I don't have a photographic memory. I've read and edited 55 books, but I can't remember all those books I wrote and edited. I can't remember all that stuff. My memory, by the way, is not getting better. This guy's memory is getting better. And I don't say that to be modest. It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise. This thing is much more sophisticated than me. It answers in a much more thorough way than I do. It's okay. I'm not in a contest. I'm not trying to be smarter than a computer here. Come on, man. But I think it's hard for people just to grow up and face this, though. Let me ask you a question. Why do you think it's so hard for people just to say what I said?

Because they fundamentally lack self confidence, that's why. I don't know what else to ask you. And I know if I think of something to ask you later, Madison and I are just gonna go to your bot and ask and get an oral response, and then we won't have to call you back.

What's fun about all this is. Look, I think for both you and me, it's fun. Look, it's fun to do things that kids are doing and young people are doing. What are you sitting around. What are you. Are I going to be doing anyway? Playing bad golf with old men at the country club and eating chicken sandwiches and discussing gallbladder surgery all day? You know, this is.

I would be watching fo.

Here you go.

Okay. 20 years from now, people are gonna find this episode of this podcast. And I'll say, look at these guys. Back in 2024, these two old geezers, they figured it all out. And we're gonna say, these people were so smart. Marshall Goldsmith and Guy Kawasaki leading the way at age 70.

I love it. I love it. I had an experience here today. It was totally positive. Some young guy says to me, you know about this artificial intelligence? They call it AI. Do you know anything about it? I said, no, I. I don't know much about it, but let me ask my friend. I don't know much about it. Let me ask my little friend here.

That is reminiscent of an old film with Tony Montana. And he's like saying, say hello to my little friend, except it's a computer. It's not a machine gun.

So the one thing I'm Working on right now with Marshall Bot is I want it to be more human. What I'm working on is I ask it some questions, I insert some. If you ask it, how many languages do you speak? You know what it says? I can barely speak the American version of English. So I'm trying to insert a little bit of humor into the thing so it doesn't just spit back all of these smart sounding answers. So I'm going back through it now and I'm answering questions verbally and I'm editing them in the content. Look, the content, forget it. The content is great. The amount of improvement I'm going to make on the content is about that much. On the other hand, what I want to do is make it have more of a sense of humor, a little more fun, a little more easygoing, that kind of stuff.

Poor Madison. She's probably sitting there shaking her head like, what are these two old geezers going off about? A.I. oh, my God. I think we better end it now. Marshall Goldsmith and Marshall Bot, thank you very much. This has been a very entertaining episode. And 20 years from now, I'm telling you, people are going to listen to this and say, my God, those two people were so smart back then.

Hey, look, it is what it is. Thank you for inviting me. I always love talking to you. Madison, what'd you think of all that? I thought it was amazing. You guys are better at using AI than me.

Honestly, that's not saying that much. FYI, Marshall, this is all good.

Hey, guy. You ever come to Nashville?

No, I'm afraid I'm a liberal.

Nashville's a liberal town. Nashville's like Austin. Oh, Austin is in. Austin's in a conservative state, but it's a liberal town. Nashville is the same thing.

If I ever get there, you'll be the first to know.

Oh, yeah. Come to Nashville. I'll take you out. We'll go out. You like to sing?

No.

Madison left a good job in the city. I was working for the man every night. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, we could go on. I like to sing the karaoke songs. When I sing, I always get a standing ovation. You know what? I'm 40 years older than the next singer, so I get a standing ovation when I make it to the top of the stage. Made it. I finished the songs. Oh, my God. He finished the song. Yay.

I hope you enjoyed this episode with Marshall Goldsmith and I. We're two friends and we both love AI I hope you're already on the AI bandwagon. I hope you're not standing in front of the bandwagon or under the bandwagon or behind the bandwagon. You need to get on this bandwagon because it's going to change the world.

World.

If you want to see some attempts at harnessing this power, look at kawasaki, GPT.com and marshallgoldsmith. AI behind the remarkable People podcast is a remarkable team of good old humans. And these humans are Jeff C. And Shannon Hernandez on sound design, Tessa Knysmer in research, Madison Kner, producer and co author, and then there's Fallon Yates, Alexis Nishimura, and Luis Magana. We are all trying to help you be remarkable. Until next time, mahalo and aloha. This is Remarkable People.