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Boys, this is an incredible episode with Gary. For those of you who don't know, maybe tuning in for Gary Breca. This is one of those episodes where when Will and I met, our friendship was a lot around the biohacking world at this point. Gary Brecker wasn't a huge name seven, eight years ago, but like being able to sit down with a brilliant mind like this, talk through all sorts of different things of how to take care of your body, what are the best things you can do? This is something that is, like, really cool for. For myself. I don't want to speak for you, but very, very fun podcast for the both of us.

Yeah, right. When we got done with this episode with Gary Brca, he looked at me straight in the face and said, your T levels will rise 50% if you shave your head. And that's why I did it for this episode.

Yeah, that's why you did it.

Yeah, that's why I did it for.

That's why you did it for this episode. If you are tuning in for the first time and you're wondering why Will looks like an extra from American History X, it is because Nebraska lost to Michigan in Lincoln. Nebraska, which is the bus and bowl, which is our episode. Also, who won the national championship? Will, in 1997?

The Michigan Wolverines.

And who is getting $50,000 donated from bus with the boys to their nil fund?

The Michigan Wolverine.

Right. And with all those things, one plus one equals. Will having a bald head. Listen, Titans watch party is taking place October 5th. Where is that? At the Brooklyn Bowl, October 5th. The boys will be there. We'll be watching Titans football. Listen, good batter indifference. We support them. Arizona Cardinals, Kyler Murray coming in. Their secondary is really hurt. A couple of ACLs, maybe a little groin. James Connor yesterday goes down. That's a brutal if this is Tuesday. So two days ago goes down. That is hard to see. But if you're a Titans fan, hope, optimism. Brooklyn bowl busting with the boys October 5th. That's exciting. Also, if you're here tuning in because Michigan won the bust and bowl, you're welcome. Michigan champ tees have dropped. They've been out since Monday at 10am you can see those bwtb.com get your Michigan Wolverine bus and bowl champion T shirts. It's amazing. And also there's seven days till spooktober. I mean, could life get any better? Will first day of fall could get any better.

On Tuesday, On Monday. Monday as a recording. First. And by the way, we had our football recap show. If you were wondering what we said about bus bowl, College football world, NFL world. That show was released yesterday. Yes, on Monday. You can check that out with Greg Olson. We tap in, we check in with him on his, his middle school football team. And yeah, your boy's got a new look going on right now. Lost a bet, lost a bus and bowl. The vibes are as high as they can possibly be without a Nebraska win over the weekend.

I love that. You gotta love that. Gotta feel good about that.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, fall coming up, we gotta lick our wounds for a bye week. So we don't get to take the feel, we don't get to get the bad taste out of our mouths. Right.

Which is good. No, that's good. That's a good thing though.

I know, I know. Again, you look back 2020, 2012 Nebraska Cornhuskers first four weeks, two and two. We just got mopped. We got embarrassed by Ohio State. We had a bye week to sulk in it. Bo Pelini comes in, you guys want to shot it all for the big ten. You gotta win out. You gotta win out.

What'd you guys do?

We won out.

Hell yeah you did.

Eight in a row. Eight in a row. We sprinkled off seven. Seven second half comebacks.

That's good.

And spit.

It's got to juicy up a little bit.

We did get whooped in the Big 12J.

I didn't have to bring that up.

Literally.

Yeah. Just live.

But you're right, it is good self scouting. Just as a fan, even as a player, you're like wanting to get back out on the field as fast as possible. You can't do it. You gotta have some hard practices.

Right.

Gotta have some tough looks in the mirror.

That's right.

Who do you want to be coming out of this?

That's right. This is a very long episode with Gary Brecker. But we always do tear talk during the week. We leave half of it for Monday's weekend recap and then half of it for the Tuesday episode. So we will get right into that. Let's talk about Joel. Daddy underscore. Heesh heech. 15. Whatever. Where does stuffed crust rank on the greatest food inventions of our time? It has to be up there. Hashtag cheer chalk. Do you remember being a child? I don't know if it was Domino's or Pizza Hut. When they came out with that commercial and they talked about cheese. Cheese, we want more cheese. And they lifted that pizza up and you see the cheese coming from the crust. I mean, I'm about six, but I think that's when puberty started for me. Because of that commercial.

Will.

Yeah. I don't know where it would rank on the all time. Let's see. Let's just go ahead and say top five. Because emotionally I'm a massive dipper of any sauce. I'm talking scooping. Big dip, boy.

Yeah, Big dip.

Willie C. Is what they used to call me growing up.

Yeah.

Big dip. Willie C. Watch out for the cheese crust around Willie C. Yeah, that's big dip.

Willie C out there. You gotta watch out for him.

Double double dip. And Willie. Oh, double dipping Willie. Cip.

Willie C. Don't care about germs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love it now they're calling me Double Dip Dome right now. Double dip dome. Look at that fresh clean head. He's fresh clean head. Watch out for a wussy. Loved. Love stuffed crust. Absolutely love it. Anything in front of me that I can dip. My mouth. My mouth is honestly watering. Damn.

I'm starving too. So this is actually a tough one.

But it is up there. Thank you for that tear talk. We love any moment that you can shout out stuffed crust or any nostalgia.

Again.

This tear talks for anything. You got Shout out. No free shout outs. You got anything you want to get off your chest? Just put hashtag tear talk and we will cover it on the intro. Shout out.

No free shout out. Stuffed crust pizza.

Shout out. No free shout out. Stuff Cross pizza. Yes, absolutely.

Here we go. I love this one because he, you know, he's. He was in my. He was in my DMS with some apologies. And we might be able to mend the bridge here with a hater. This one comes to us from Joey Fast Joey Joe 35T. I was wondering if we can open the negotiation window at Will Compton Taylor 1. What is one school the two of you would like to go to on your campus tour that you have not been on yet. At hash at Bustle with the boys. Tear talk. What is one? I wasn't expecting the renefle thing. I thought it was gonna be like a negotiation. Windows and stuff like that.

Let's go. Each conference. I'll start in the Big Ten because that's where the boys went to school.

Penn State.

Yeah. Penn State would probably be a great place to go check out. I would love to check out Penn State.

Cult, though. Cultish.

That's okay. So I enjoyed myself.

We were looking forward to.

Yeah.

No matter if we thought it was weird or not. Like, it was still, like, you're. You're curious what the vibe is like. I would enjoy going to Penn State.

It's all about immersing yourself in that culture. Also, usc, I think, would be awesome to go to in the Big Ten because I remember being a young buck in Arizona, going up to a couple of those things and seeing it when Pete Carroll was there. And I just remember thinking, like, this school and the fact that's in the middle of Compton is just so crazy. Be very interesting to check that out. One mind going up to the Northeast as well. Like, I know there's a spicy team this year, Maryland. Very exciting to see.

Yeah, that.

That would be good. But Maryland, Yeah.

All the schools out there.

I feel like the Big Ten.

I'm sorry, The Big Ten.

Northwestern would be Iowa.

Yeah. No, Iowa. Iowa City, actually.

I heard.

I heard a lot of good things about Iowa City. Iowa. Iowa strikes me as a place, too. It's like similar to Ann Arbor, Michigan, where it's like there's staple food, places you can go to. That's like, if you're in Iowa City, you gotta go here. They'll tell you.

Casey's gas station, baby.

That's what they'll tell you.

Grew up on some cases. Casey's good. And there's just something about going to Iowa and just getting some ringworm in their wrestling room. Yeah, just go catch some ringworm in the wrestling room.

You know, I know this is about where we'd want to go. One place I would never want to go to is East Lansing. East Lansing, Michigan, acc.

Yeah.

I could see. I could see the.

The.

The East.

It's slum. It's a. It's a. Yeah, it's. It's just like, what do you guys have to offer? Nothing.

What. What was it like when we play there?

Actually, the.

The.

The environment. I mean, it was. I played at Michigan, so obviously it was a much more fun little stadium. They have a fun stadium. Is. It is loud. They do get rocking. And East Lansing, they. I will give them credit there. But yeah, them ACC would love to.

Go tour, even though they're down bad. Right. Oh, Clemson.

I was thinking Florida State would be awesome to go check out Yeah, I.

Was gonna say Florida State wasn't there.

Oh, you weren't there for that?

Oh, yeah. You guys went to Florida? Yeah. Okay, then I'll dip down on Clemson. I think that'd be cool. I think it's nuts that you make your players run down that hill. I think that is fucking crazy right there. You're asking for a soft tish. Miami be nasty, too. I would love to see Miami, but. Yeah, Good spot sec. This might be a dark horse. Arkansas Razorbacks, I think that would be. I know, but that's what I think.

That's what makes fun, bro. Yeah.

Holes in the wall.

I'm saying there's nothing out there but Arkansas.

Right? And that's kind of what you want. Like, that's what bus with the boys in the spring tour is kind of all about, is like, let us highlight you and what you guys have to offer. Because when the. When the common man thinks about Arkansas, you think about hunting and tornadoes. Like, you're not really thinking about, like, what is Arkansas? Was it Fayette? Fayettesville. Fayetteville have to, like, offer. And so I think it's just like a sneaky little spot. We've been to lsu, we've been to.

Alabama Day Experience, Ole Miss.

Yeah, I heard it's very hoity toity chandeliers at the tailgate.

Let's wear a suit. Let's wear gloves.

I kind of mess with that. We've been to Georgia.

What about Missouri, Columbia, Missou?

Mizzou would be fun. See, I've been to Missouri.

That's what I was thinking.

But that would be fun to bring the boys and, like, do a bus on the boys experience.

Got to bring Chandler.

Yeah, gotta bring Mike Chandler. Gotta bring Mike Chandler.

I think Gainesville, Florida, Florida, Gators would be awesome as well. Yeah.

I mean, honestly, a lot of those SEC schools would be awesome.

To be honest, I feel like we're going to go through every conference and say all the schools, like, we already have. Yeah.

We ain't going to Purdue, buddy.

No, I will say this about produce. I will say this about Purdue. They have a great aviation school. When you go to a game against the Boilermakers, you fly in a little. The stadium's right there. That's nice. Okay. That is nice.

Other than that, going back to Big Ten. What about Washington?

Washington be good.

Yeah, Washington would be fun because they. They tailgate on the water. They tailgate on water and their place gets loud as a lot of shit in the North. It's all aluminum. All aluminum.

Smart. Very smart. You know, a school that needs us, probably help them out a little bit. Ucla.

We ain't going to ucla. We go out to la. I mean, even usc. Like, that'd be cool to go to for the rich tradition and everything else. Yeah. With like, the early 2000s, but they suck. We ain't going to LA to check out some ball.

No.

You want to go see ball?

Yeah.

You're going to Oregon State. Oregon State.

Madison, Wisconsin.

Yeah.

The badges. What are we talking about?

That would.

Because that would rip, bro.

Because I heard it goes so hard there.

Yeah, they have like a. I think it's like a weekend or a week every year. This isn't football related, but, like, the lake freezes over and they literally just party like. Oh, it's like frat row and they just party on the lake all weekend.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard.

Like, what's the game? It's like, you want to go experience a night game at Oregon State? Is that a thing?

I don't think you want to experience anything at Oregon State right now.

In Oregon State, they got some. They got some Dallas stadium renovation, but.

I think Washington's as far as, like, the Northwest goes. Oregon and Washington.

Yeah, Oregon, Washington, absolutely.

I would love bus with the boys to get to a place where we can go to, like, some max schools, Check out some smaller schools.

Miami of Ohio.

Miami of Ohio. Ball State. Go check them out a little bit. Go Mountain West Conference. You go and check out Boise State.

Unlv.

You. Well, yeah, I'll go to unlv. I'll be in UNLV the first week in October. Pop by there all the time.

Boise State would be cool.

Boise would be sick. Maybe it'd be fun to go check those schools out.

We ain't training the weekend to go to Ball State, I'm telling you.

Right?

Yeah, you're right.

You are right.

What about going out to, like, Hawaii or something?

Yeah, I guess just to travel. Like, that's the first thing.

I think.

They just don't take their ball serious out there.

No, they don't.

There's some.

You don't go where people take their ball serious.

I heard a rumor about Hawaii is you can't go on an official visit there unless you're committed. That's what I heard.

Well, it's probably so expensive to fly.

Anybody who offers them, they're probably like, yeah, I want to go to Hawaii.

Yeah, good one right now. Oh, Lubbock, Texas. Texas Tech.

Yeah.

They would go nuts.

Yeah, Texas Tech would be sick to go check out Utah would be cool, too.

Byu.

Oh, byu.

I don't know. I would just love to go to.

A game at their stadium. I've heard that.

Yeah, I would say. I would. State would be fun.

I always say it'd be great. Iowa State would be awesome.

A lot of schools out there we.

Want to check out.

Great question, Joey Fats.

Yeah.

And thank you for showing up to the show, too. I know you have. You've always been a supporter of ours. Sometimes you've gotten a little nasty.

A little nasty.

And I hate when you come at the boys. Not, not, not the boys like us. But when I see you coming out, even our boys in the back of the bus at certain times where you think it's. You might in your head think you're trolling, but it doesn't come off as trolling. That's what chaps my ass.

Now. Joey F at the live show in Lincoln, Nebraska, at the Rococo Theater, which, by the way, was an incredible showing by everybody. Thank you, everybody for coming. Joey Fats is right there, left of stage, front row, front row. And his ass got called out. Will pointed him and goes, I know who you are. So we brought his ass up for a second to give a call. He seemed like he realized he fucked up a little bit. Turned a corner. He turned. I think he's hoping, turning. Joey Fats turning. I think he's in the middle. He's got the blinker on.

Gotcha.

He's got the blinker.

For us observing, it seems like he's got the blinker. I think he's. He's turning a corner for sure.

His actions in the next couple of. That'll show a lot.

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Hey, that. That live show was incredible.

Yeah, it was.

I'm saying the live show was incredible with the birthday cake and then the. The surprise with Connor. Stallions coming up.

The video.

The video together for you.

The last part of the video when it's Charo and your kids. I don't know why I'm sitting over there getting choked up.

Yeah.

I'm sitting there, like, not even my kids, they live 10 minutes away from.

Me because, you know, the players, too. It's like, hey, you mind doing a birthday video?

Fuck it.

What the hell, right? Yeah, that's what. Well, I don't want to point it out during a live show, but seeing Raiola's execution on that, because I saw his video before, I was like, they're losing. This is your hero. And you. Hey, man, we're going to get done this.

They were focused. They were focused.

Happy birthday. Well, good out there. They're going out there. I was like, oh, Dylan, come on.

Taking shots at my boys, right? No, no, I. My boys.

Hey, no. If you watch the reaction show, you. If you watch the reaction show, you watch me jumping in on Matt Rules podcast. Like, I I, I know people are mad at me for playing heel this weekend, which is the, the only choice I really had. I'm a huge fan of Nebraska. I'm a huge fan of the people. I'm a huge fan of the culture that Matt Rule is establishing there. Like, yeah, I don't think you're going to beat my team. Sue me. Like, I think my team's better than yours. Sue me. You know, I think we should have pulled away that game multiple times. Sue me. But like, I love Lincoln, Nebraska and I love these 17 year old kids. Can I tell you a story?

Go ahead.

During the thing, there was a, there was a guy like I was walking by four gentlemen that are also on the sidelines in the end zone, side by the student section. And one guy goes, hey, you're gonna have a long day today. But he says it with a zero conviction. So I told him, hey, what's your name? My name is John. Hey, John, good to meet you. Hey, here's what I'm gonna do for you. I'm Gonna actually take 10 steps back, I'm gonna redo it. But when you say it, say it like you fucking mean it. And he's like, you don't gotta do that. Let's do it real quick. So I went and did it. He's like, you guys are gonna have a long fucking day today. That's my boy. So we're getting better. Talking shit in Nebraska. We're getting better.

Yeah.

And I do, I do love, I do Love Nebraska at M15. Casper. This is Michael Casper. He says at Taylor, 1. Hashtag tear talk, favorite bus and bowl victories. The next one, that's my favorite one. But if you're going to go off these last four.

In a row, it's three.

Sorry. Yeah, you're right. We've won five in a row. So you're right. Only three. Busing. I would say this one because this is the closest. Truth is the closest these two teams have been from a competitive standpoint. And I said it in the intro. It's like every time the old Nebraska would falter and Michigan would pull away, Nebraska figured out a way to stay in the game the whole time. And I think that's, that's impressive. I know it didn't go the way Nebraska wanted, but at the end of the day, like you could tell the culture's in the right spot. So this one, because that is the most competitive Nebraska football team I've seen.

Dustin Croom, Tear talk. You guys keep killing it. Take away the sports. What you do for myself and a lot of men. Just give us the escape from reality. You boys are special. Keep crushing it. Go Gamecocks. Dustin, thank you for your kind words, bro. I appreciate it.

Yeah. There was a. We did a. A meet and greet after our live show and one guy came up to us. Was it his dad passing away?

Yeah.

Or something. He just said, like, regardless of all the things that have happened in my life, listening to you guys helped me. And anytime that type of conversation, you got to catch us just Right. Right. Like it's a long day. He sits there and tells us the story. And there was two long hugs from both of us. And I just think to myself, like, it's crazy to think that this show does that for people.

Yeah.

And because it's. At the end of the day, like, this was built to have fun. And sometimes you realize, like, people just need to laugh. Just gotta laugh and have a good time.

So then we have. We had one gentleman who had lost his seven month old that.

I could have cried right there. Sure.

I had a couple pt, six moments where it was just like, you're just like reading a comment. A dude had me. We were at the fence talking. Him and his wife were massive fans and watch for the dads every week and stuff like that. And he's just talking to me about dad left. I'm like, buddy, you gotta. You gotta stop. I got the eyes starting to gloss over right now. And then that one cat who was at the meet and greet talking about his seven month old is like a. Obviously it's like a tear jerker. Oh, yeah. But thank you. Thank you for your comment, Dustin. You are the man, bro.

Brian Alfaro at B underscore Alpha 14 says favorite will Compton crash out. Hashtag tear talk. Favorite Will Compton crash out.

I have one like that came to mind. But I don't know if it was like it was when you two fought on the bus because that was crazy.

That was crazy.

Fought on the bus.

When we fight, that was like all Will too.

That was like two. That was when Taylor was pointing in your face like you didn't get 10. And you were like, get your finger out of my face. And then Taylor just poked the bear some more. And then.

And I'm. I'm also eight weeks removed from an ACL surgery.

This was like two years ago.

Yeah.

Was that the hand fighting?

Yeah, that's.

No, that's when you stood up and.

Embodied an injured individual. Literally. I still had a handicap sticker in my car.

Taylor, you.

You also did Go for the throat.

Yeah. I had to protect myself.

What was this fight over?

Some bullshit. I can't remember. Do you remember?

Yeah, it was about playing 10 years in the league.

Oh, yeah. That is exactly what it was.

It's literally in our intro for the show.

Yeah.

I said something about Will playing eight and he got on my ass about it and I just kind of kept going. I had to find out. I had to find out that. Yeah. What's a good Will Compton crash out, though?

They usually got to be over Nebraska.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to think of.

I think the.

The picture of you laying in the road was all time.

Yeah. I think when it was a funny. When Nebraska lost to UCLA last year, that was a good crush out moment for Will. I don't know.

Grant Short. I got one here. Hashtag tear talk. When do people start to rank Jalen Hurts in the top five at the quarterback position?

Never.

Yeah, I think it's tough, man. You can't like, argue with this resume. He's a Super bowl champion. Was he the MVP at the super bowl last year?

I think Saquon was.

Saquon. He's just. He's on an incredible team.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? I think it's hard. It's like. Yeah. When he starts, like peppering, throwing, like just winning through the air at all times and he gets into those actual MVP conversations, I think is when he's like a top five quarterback right now. It's like, you know, I'm not saying he's not good. I'm not saying he's not top five. I think just being in the overall universal top five category for all of national media and for all the people. Like, he's got to be out here slinging the rock, which he doesn't have to because he has Saquon Barkley. Not saying he can't do it. I'm just saying he just does. Like, it just doesn't happen on the field.

Right.

Yeah.

Jalen Hurst is in a very unique situation where all these, like, top five quote quarterbacks, the Josh Allens, the Joe Burrows, the Patrick Mahomes, the Lamar Jacksons, Josh Allen.

Yeah.

Yeah. That was the first person I said. When you look at them, it's like they do it because their team needs them to do it. Jalen Hurts is a part of a team that they don't necessarily. I mean, they went two or no without him throwing a touchdown. First time in 15 years anybody was able to do that. Like, he doesn't need to be Superman just yet to be successful. And so does it hinder the conversation when you're talking about a top five quarterback? Maybe, probably, but. And you got aliens like, you work with what you're given. And so the Eagles are nasty, right?

Like, you play the hypotheticals all day long. You just don't like it. You just don't know. It's like, if he was in the Baker situation, is he going and doing what Baker's doing? And with the Buccaneers with that squad, I'm not saying they're a bad squad, but it's like, is he. You know, that's where Baker starts to come into these conversations because he's just winning games, game winning drives, slinging the rock all around the yard.

Baker's putting the team on his back. I don't think Jalen has ever really. All right, I'm going to take this game over.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those.

Those were the. Those are the three I had.

Good. No, hold on. There's a bit more can. My Uber Eats is outside. Can somebody go grab that?

Or I can grab it.

You sure?

Yeah.

You don't mind this tear talk comes from at Jesse Z. Who's stopping Michigan from being 10 and 1 when the Buckeyes go to Ann Arbor? I mean, schedule, you can't ever have any guarantees or anything.

Who are. Who are like the big games for you guys?

We got Wisconsin, then we got usc, and then I believe we have someone else. We got Maryland on the schedule, Michigan State, to be honest, like, it's pretty easy schedule. If Michigan is going to do Vision's in a good position to be 10 and one going to Ohio State. And then we all know how the last four years have worked, so.

So really, you guys are on the road at usc.

On the road at USC is the biggest test.

You don't have Penn State.

Nope.

You don't have Oregon?

Nope.

Indiana?

Nope.

Do you have Washington?

Yes, we do. At home.

Washington's not bad.

Washington's not bad, but I love the fact that it's at home.

Yeah. Yeah. 100.

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Well, Will's one. The rock's too.

What about like can we depict like people that have been bald? Like what about Professor X in the Professor Xavier?

Yeah, yeah. John Travolta. Yeah, he's bald now.

He is bald.

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Have some positivity at that one too. Let's, let's when you come to that watch party, bring three things you can say positive about the Tennessee Titans. Let's keep it positive.

Or if you're mad and sad, come, we're going to embrace you.

Yeah.

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Let's be half full, right? And if it's bad, bad, bad, we'll be a quarter full. You know, let's just try to keep positive twists. I mean, there's no one better having a positive twist more than Willie C Double Dip.

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Ladies and gentlemen, this interview is with a very special guest. I met this man super bowl two years ago. As we're all watching the game, he's doing bodyweight squats in the back, telling everybody how they should eat, how they should not eat. He has now become one of the most famous biohacking individuals in the entire world, taking the world by storm, taking guys like Dana White, taking his body morphing into an absolute six pack, taking a man like Jelly Roll, who is half of a ton, and bringing him down into, around, I think, low threes now.

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So in 2018, Will came from the Washington Commanders to the Tennessee Titans right then and there. We met in the breakfast chow hall Became best friends. The. One of the foundational pieces of our friendship was a thing we like to call accountability, buddy. There was guys like Ben Greenfield, Andrew Huberman. Yeah, he was in the Citizen. Ben Greenfield was a big one. Obviously, we're big into Rogan, all these other podcasts, but we took a lot of these biohacking thoughts and, you know, things that people do, we would do sauna protocols, cold tub protocols, and we keep each other accountable during that process. So a lot of our friendship and the foundation is a lot of what you.

Great man.

Which is incredible to have you on.

And I know a lot of athletes, like, take that into their own hands because, you know, I've worked with a lot of professional athletes. Kind of astounding to me how little some of these billion dollar franchises do for players off the field. When it, when you, when it comes to recovery and nutrition and sleep and supplementation, it's kind of left to the guys at the, at the highest end of the game that just want the best of the best for themselves. They just take it into their own hands. Like, you know, Tom Brady travel with his own trainer, you know, travel with his own food, because it just wasn't available to him. Now, I don't know if that's changing. I think that it should change. I. I sit on the board of the NFL Alumni Association Athletica, and I see a lot of these guys after the game, the repetitive use injuries and the, you know, the wear and tear that they've had. I'm sure that both of you guys have plenty of nips and bibbles going on in your body somewhere. But at the highest, highest end, they just take the responsibility and into their own hands.

Yeah, it's itchy. I mean, obviously the NFL, it's a business, and they're trying to figure out the best ways to make the most money without putting as much as they can into all the players. They want them to be successful. But when it comes to recovery, taking care of your body, withstanding 20 weeks of what people call a car accident every Sunday.

Yeah.

That's really put on the players.

Yeah.

And what you're able to do. And it's like, diet is one, one thing. Nutrition, cold tubs, saunas, then there's red light. One thing that I've realized is, like, there's always another layer.

Oh, yeah.

So, like, for you, if you're speaking to the athletes right now, how far do we have to go here? Like, because there's you. There's always. Once you figure out, okay, I'm Healthy. I'm now eating, putting this in my food. So I. Little more nutrients here. Okay. Now I realize I can go and do nad. Then there's ozone, then there's hyperbaric chambers.

Hey, I'm a big coffee guy. There's a certain bean.

Yeah, exactly.

There's always another 1% that you're trying to. To chase.

Yeah. And there is. If I'm like in my first year in the NFL, or I'm a freshman, or I'm whatever I am, and I am in the pursuit of being an elite athlete, what are some non negotiables that you'd say if you don't do anything at all, do this.

So three, three absolute non negotiables. First of all, sleep is our human superpower. I knew you're gonna say that is the. That is the.

It's also the hardest.

I know sleep, water.

Yeah. A brisk walk, nasally.

I'd love to say, you know, it's the red light bed. It's the supplements that I manufacture, manufacturer. It's a specific test. It's NAD. It's, you know, resveratrol, CoQ10. It's not, you know, if you, if you look at the big data, right? I mean, if you look at blue zones, for example, what is extending life the longest? You know, it's not keto, paleo, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian. It's not dogmatic dieting. It's eating whole foods. It's the absence of processed foods. If you look at the non negotiables in those areas of the world too, you see that it's sense of community, sense of purpose, like what you guys were doing with each other, supporting each other, building a real community inside of your community that is incredibly important to your success. It's actually incredibly important to the way that your brain is wired. It actually gives you the why. And then I would say start with your sleep. And sleep is the most bullied thing in our schedule, right? I mean, a lot of, a lot of guys, when they get to an elite level of competition, there is some genetic component, they have some natural talent, right? I mean, obviously they didn't get there without working hard. But the first thing to go is, is, is sleep. And if you think about. Everybody knows sleep is important, but nobody tells you why, right? And there's two, two areas of sleep. There's REM sleep and there's deep sleep that are critically important. So during REM sleep, this is when you're assembling your memory. All the things that you learn during the day maybe you learned at practice routes that you were running, you know, new, new plays that you're getting ready to run. Anything that is newly learned during the day gets assembled during REM sleep. So your hippocampus, your memory and your prefrontal cortex get together and they get to talk for the first time without. Right. Normally what's happening is you have all this noise coming in all day long. I mean, you're, you're at practice, you're catching balls, you're, you know, you're being dictated to, you're moving around, you're traveling, you're packing your bag. So there's all this noise coming into the brain. REM sleep at night, you assemble these memories. Once you assemble memories, you actually start to get to what's called fine motor skills. And the difference between a good athlete and, and a great athlete is the last five yards. It's hand, eye coordination, speed, timing and agility. You already have the strength, right? You, you, you already have the, the know how. But that last little edge hand, eye coordination, speed, timing and agility, that's the difference between a good athlete and a great athlete. And the second part of sleep is your deep sleep. And what happens during deep sleep? If you've heard of the lymphatic system, you know you've got lymph nodes, you get, your lymph nodes swell when you get a sore throat. Well, you have a lymphatic system in the brain called the glymphatic system. System. The only time that that system is active, really active, is during deep sleep. So what's happening during deep sleep is that glymphatic system is draining all the waste from the brain. And by waste, I mean cellular waste. So you want to be sharp, you want to be acute, you want to be on your game, you want to have good hand, eye coordination, speed, timing, agility. You practice sleep. You, you actually, you, you schedule like right now. I, but one of the great things about being semi successful in this industry is we made a decision two and a half years ago that we would schedule all of our meetings and travel around sleep and exercise, full stop. So I don't schedule travel and meetings ahead of my sleep. I schedule sleep, exercise, and then meetings and travel. So if somebody wants to hire me to speak at 8:30 in the morning, I won't take, I won't take the gig. I mean, I, I'm like, I'll speak at 10:30, I'll speak at 11. Because that, that, that, that first hour of the day, you know belongs only to me. I give the rest of my day away, but I'm selfish about that first hour of the day. So, number one, it would be, it would be sleep. Number two, and this is the most overlooked thing I think, in all of modern medicine and all of modern sports is we don't cater to the 70% of our circulation that is not done by the heart. If you ask thousand people how much blood is circulated by the heart, they'd say 100%. Our heart circulates all the blood in our body. It doesn't. It only circulates 30% of the blood in your body. 70% of your circulation is microvascular, right? It's, it's as small or smaller than a human hair. So 70% of the blood moving around your body, including your brain and all your fine motor skills and your muscles, it's not done by the heart. It's done by an activity called vasomotor. So how do I cater to vasomotor? How do I actually get that edge? How do I get into that 70% of my circulation that nobody else is paying attention to? You do things like hydrate, hydrate with hydrogen gas, hydrogen water. You can use elemental magnesium tablets. I mean, if you talk to Tom Brady, he had a hydrogen water bottle with him 24 7, everywhere that he went. Still does to this day. He's always carrying that thing around. It's like his blankie, because that caters to the vasomotor that switches the lights on and it's dirt cheap. You can travel with it. You can get an elemental magnesium tablet, you can drop it into water. You can get a hydrogen water bottle. You can, you can consume that type of water because all these big brands, you know, that are the best known brands, they're not the best brands for you. They're not in service to your cellular biology. So you're right about hydration, but you can be super smart about hydration. Put hydrogen gas into the body and then you've got to cover the basics of essential amino acids, which is very hard to get from, from your diet. I mean, most people think amino acids are proteins. They're not. They're the building blocks of proteins. When you have the right amount of amino acids in your body, you're not just building muscle, you're building everything else. Connective tissue. You see the, the. If I was to say what's the biggest problem in the NFL that is preventable? It's non contact injuries. Right? You can't have a, you can't have A star running back blowing an Achilles heel coming in off the sideline to get in the game, game to start. You know, traumatic injuries, there's not a lot you can do about those, right? I mean, if your foot's planted and you get a hard enough lateral check, there goes your acl, right? But you shouldn't be blasting down the field and cut left, you know, in a route and, and cut a 90 degree turn and blow and, you know, blow an ACL, you shouldn't blow an Achilles heel coming in off the, off the sideline. That tells me that we're not catering to that, to that last five yards. And, and then the final thing I would say is, and this is hard when you're on the road, but if, if I was only to have one modality, it would probably be red light. Because the science on red light is, is absolute, just like the science on saunas. I think that, you know, when you're eliminating waste, when you're circulating all of that stuff and put, using your, your skin as a secondary route of waste elimination, when you're clean, you're performing. So I would say sauna or red light. Sleep, hydrogen gas and focusing on sleep.

When, say you're talking to an athlete and they, they say they get between like eight, nine hours of sleep a night and, but they haven't, they haven't seen how effective they are at sleeping. What would you recommend to those athletes go and do? Is it a sleep study? Is it something, is it a wearable that they can use, but something that tells them that they're effectively or sleeping correctly?

Yeah, it's a wearable. You need to get data. What you don't measure, you can't change. Right? And so if it's an aura ring, if it's a whoop, if it's, you know, if it's a Fitbit, something to give you data on what, what really causes you to achieve deep sleep? Because you'll see that every time I drink alcohol, 100 of the time, it's going to interrupt my sleep.

If I two, two, sometimes three days.

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And, and not for the reasons that you think. It's actually not the alcohol, it's what the alcohol becomes. You see, alcohol is metabolized into something called acetyl aldehyde. So the liver takes alcohol, turns it into something called acetyl aldehyde. What this does is it drops the PH of the blood.

The blood.

So the ph range of the blood is very narrow. Your performance range is between like 7.2. 7.8. If you're in that range and you're slightly alkaline, that is your performance zone. Soon as you become acidic. I mean, the whole pain from a hangover is from the. It's not only the dehydration, it's from the acetyl aldehyde. It's from the drop in ph of your blood. That's why you can stop a hangover in its tracks if you drink hydrogen water. If you. If you actually put on a nasal cannulus and just breathe a little oxygen, you'd raise the PH of the blood.

A nasal what?

A nasal cannulous. Like a little. You ever seen the. Like an oxygen concentrator. Yeah. Like a little oxygen tank and it runs into your nose, you put it over your ears and you just ran some oxygen.

You're saying you get rid of a hangover by putting that and drinking hydrogen water.

If you took. If you took a 10 ounce glass of water and then you put an elemental magnesium tablet, a hydrogen water tablet in there, it's about 12 parts per million hydrogen. You added to that, a mineral solution, salt, like a Celtic salt, Baja gold salt, or a really good mineral salt, even a Redmond sea salt. If you put sea salt, hydrogen, water, a 10 ounce glass of water, drank that back and ran 15 minutes of oxygen. I don't care how bad your hangover is, it would be over inside of 20 minutes. Interesting pH. Interesting. I feel like somebody just ordered an oxygen tank. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I. I have two kids, and as my kids started to get older and they wanted to consistently play, I would notice if I had like one, two, even like three drinks.

Yeah.

The next day, I feel like a bag of dicks. I just feel terrible. And I'm like, now I'm sitting on the couch, I'm more like distracted by my. I'm allowing the distractions to take over because I'm trying to get away from the pain that I'm essentially feeling and not being like, you know, the fun dad, which is kind of what everybody wants to be.

Yeah.

So I was like, all right, I'm going to kind of step away from drinking a little bit where I don't do it so much anymore. And it's made it way easier. But if you're saying we got hacks out there.

Yeah.

Now we're starting to reevaluate re. Change. Right?

Yeah.

We're trying to move it down the. Move it down a little bit.

Yeah. And if you think about it, you know, most people think that the pain's coming from their brain. You know, you get a headache, and you think your. Your brain hurts. You know, you feel like the pain's behind your eyes or you feel like it's in your temples.

You.

You got to remember the brain actually has no pain receptors. The brain is actually not capable of generating a pain signal signal. So your hangover is actually not coming from your brain. It's coming from the covering of the brain. There's. There's something called the duras, which is like a saran wrap, which is stretched over the top of the brain. And the dura hates two things. It hates being stretched, and it hates being contracted. So what causes it to stretch or contract is sodium gradient and water. So the first thing that happens when you get a hangover is you're dehydrated, but your. Your sodium and electrolytes drop.

Drop.

And so the dura shrinks, and now you got a brutal headache. It's like, you know, all. All over. And that pain's not coming from your brain. So as soon as you restore that gradient, the pain's gone. You wouldn't believe how many. In fact, there's a clinical study. It was in the Wiley Journal of Headaches, if you guys want to look it up, if you're a science nerd like I am. And they took about 8, 600 participants that suffered from chronic migraines. And these were migraines that weren't responding to traditional narcotics, weren't responding to injections of Botox. You know, they actually will inject Botox sometimes to try to stop migraines. And they put them on a mineral salt. I'm talking about a $5 bag, $10 bag of mineral salt that had all 91 trace minerals, something like Celtic or Baja gold sea salt. They added that to water. In the majority of those cases, migraines went permanently into remission. So you can do the same thing with hangovers. Right? I mean, it's like. It's. What's astounding is if. If you want to see magic happen in human beings, you just give their body the raw material it needs to do its job. Everybody wants a really, really cool, unique, special hack. And I think there's some incredible science on longevity now, but by the time that you're flirting with stem cells and exosomes and natural killer cells and really advanced modalities, you got to cover the basics, you know?

Right.

And so that just takes everything back to sleep. Getting processed foods out of your diet that will slow you down, making sure that you're hydrated you meet the minimum amino acid requirement. You get all 91 trace minerals in a mineral salt. And I'll tell you, man, you'd see, you would see game changing performance in the upper echelon of athletes. Just by closing that last five, you.

Bring up all the, like, extracurriculars, the exosomes, the stem cells, the IVs, all those things. Is it fair to say? Or is it too dramatic to be like, if you're not taking care of what you just saw about the Whole Foods and taking care of the raw minerals rolls, then that's just a waste of money.

Yeah, I mean, you, you hear people say all the time, you can't diet your way around poor sleep. Right. You can't exercise your way around a poor diet, right? So if you line those things up, your, your training is ostensibly, if you're an elite athlete, your training's already on point, right? You're training not to hurt yourself. You're probably doing position training for whatever sport you're playing. So in strength and conditioning now, I think has, has hit its ceiling. Meaning we know about as much about muscle hypertrophy and muscle hyperplasia and recovery as we're doing.

All the trainers are pretty much in place everywhere. You look for those things.

Yeah, no, no, no professional sports team or very unlikely that a professional sports team has really, really shitty strength and conditioning coaches, right? These guys know what they're doing. They've forgotten more about strength and conditioning than I'll ever know, right? So that, that's, that's not the area where you get the edge. The area where you get the edge is being in service to your cellular biology, making sure you are hydrated, you're getting the basics, like deep sleep. Stop putting processed foods in your diet. You know, the biggest, the most prevailing theory in aging. Now if you were to take the top 50 scientists, MDs, PhDs, researchers in the world, put them all in a room and get them to agree on one thing, they would all agree that aging is something called immuno fatigue. We are slowly and progressively overwhelming our immune system to the point where it can no longer defend us. If you take an infant and you pull their blood, you would find that about 65% of what their immune system is doing is protecting the baby. By the time you get to be my age, I'm in my mid-50s. By the time you get to be in your 40s, only about 35% of the immune system is protecting you. The rest of the time, it's fighting all this glyphosates paraquats, microplastics, bisphenols. Just all the nonsense that we are putting into our body that is causing the immune system to get distracted. Then what happens? Circulating tumor cell slips. By now you got colon cancer. Every person listening to this podcast right now at some point in their life has had something called a circulating tumor cell, meaning a circulating tumor. It's a cancer cell, but the immune system saw it and just took it out. Right. So if we can keep our immune system on our side, that's where, that's where you really start talking about extending, you know, lifespan.

Do you ever get resistant to the, the term biohacking? Yeah. Being in your line of work, because biohacking.

Oh, you're not a doctor.

It's like, you know, biohacking. Or doctors could see and be like, this is like a shortcut guy. Yeah, talk about your resistance to the term biohacking.

Hold on. I officially feel bad about his intro, calling him one of the best biohackers.

When you were saying biohackers, I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, I wonder if he enjoys, because I can understand.

Why that would be.

Makes sense to us.

Like, oh, biohacker dumb brains are like, biohacking makes sense.

Yeah.

To a cultured mind like this.

People in this industry and feel that, I'm sure they probably are like, here we go.

No, no, not at all. You know, I think, I think, you know what's amazing is, you know, we get attacked a lot by the by, call it mainstream media, mainstream modern medicine. But the, the, the data is not on the side of modern medicine. Right? I mean, we, in this country, we spend $5 trillion a year on health care. We are the sickest, fattest, most disease ridden nation in the world. You know, we, as Americans, we lead the world in six things. We lead the world in infant mortality. We lead the world in maternal mortality. We lead the world in morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, and multiple chronic disease in the same body. And. But yet we spend $5 trillion a year on healthcare. And you know, even in my industry, a lot of the, a lot of the big biohackers will attack me sometimes because I'm talking about the basics of human physiology. And they're like, well, there's no randomized clinical trial that's been peer reviewed that proves that. I'm like, well, there's never been a randomized clinical trials that proved parachutes either. But we have data, right? Nobody's going to jump out of an airplane without a parachute. But we've never done a clinical study with a control group group where we had a bunch of people jump out with one and without one, we'd have real, right? Who wants to be in that control group? Sorry, Stan. You get the nap tag, you know, knapsack in the Bible, then this group over here gets the parachute. But the point is, like, very often we have real data. We've done 276,000 randomized clinical trials in this, in this, in this country. And that's the gold standard of medicine. And yet it's led us to be the sickest, fattest, most disease ridden nation in the world. And so you don't find it there. You, you, you find, you know, the best of human performance and longevity in the basics. And the truth is, most people are just not new in the basics. But I don't mind that term, biohacking. I mean, you know, I never had the luxury in my entire career of having access to chemicals and pharmaceuticals and synthetics. You know, I always had to find ways to restore good function in the body by just giving it back the raw material it needs to do its job. You know, it's funny, we believe this in plant physiology, right? If, if you had a leaf, let's say, rotting in a palm tree, and you called a true arborist, like a true botanist, out to your house, they wouldn't even touch the leaf. They would core, test the soil and they would go, you know what? There's, there's no nitrogen in this soil. They would add nitrogen to the soil and the leaf would heal. Right? Human beings are no different. Right? There's not a single compound known to mankind. There is no protein, mineral, vitamin, amino acid. There's no nutrient of any kind that we put into the human body that gets used in the form that we put it in. Without a single exception, everything that goes into our body gets converted into the usable form. It goes through a process of being converted so the body can use it.

It.

This process is called methylation. So, like you take folic acid, the most prevalent nutrient in the human diet, the body converts it into methylfolate. If you don't have methylfolate because your body can't make this conversion, what happens? Well, now you're walking around with anxiety, you're walking around with mood numbness. Your gut motility is off. So now you have gas, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, irritability, cramping. So what do you do? You start doing food allergy testing and food sensitivity testing. Nothing seems to work. I eat the same thing Monday, I blow up like a tick. I eat the exact same thing on Wednesday, and I'm fine. Well, that can't be a food allergy. So very often what happens in human beings is we get nutrient deficient and then all of a sudden we have the expression of this deficiency over here. Like, I'm walking around with this like, generalized anxiety. Like, I, I don't know why, like, always feel anxious. I always feel this sense of being, of anxiety. Then I'm sure there's listeners of yours listening to this podcast right now. Like, dude, that's exactly how I feel. Well, if you have anxiety and you can't point to the specific trigger, like, I get it. If you're, if you're afraid of heights and you walk to the edge of a 30th floor balcony, I expect you to feel anxious. If you're claustrophobic and you step on a crowded elevator, fear. Okay? I expect you to feel anxiety. But if you're just chilling, having a podcast like we're doing right now, or you're sitting back here like these guys are right here, and there's no presence of a fear, and you're just all of a sudden overwhelmed by anxiety, which 65 of Americans say they are, that is, you don't have a mental illness or a mood disorder. You have a nutrient deficiency. And that's, that's, that's how the body expresses itself. So, like, modern medicine wants to come in with chemicals, with synthetics, with pharmaceuticals. You know, I sit on Bobby Kennedy's committee. So maha, it's called MAHA Action, and, and it's really just trying to address the amount of poisons and pesticides and herbicides and just chemicals. And that is in the everyday diets of, of Americans, like slowly micro poisoning ourselves to death. These big companies like Chem China, which make chemicals like, like Paraquat, which is an insecticide, which by the way is banned in China. So imagine you're a Chinese chemical manufacturing company and your, your country doesn't allow you to sell this chemical.

Yeah.

Because they know how bad it is.

Right.

So guess what they do? They export it to the U.S. right. And we, we, we buy billions and billions of metric tons of this, we spray it on our crops, and then they lobby our congressmen to give them indemnity from harm caused to our citizens. For things that are outlawed in their own country. It's, it's mind numbing how, how far we've gone down the road of just allowing poisons and toxins into our food supply. And we're walking around, we're the sickest, fattest, you know, disease ordination in the country with the highest rates of childhood cancer. Nobody's just talking about basic physical education in the public school system. You know, like most, a lot of these public schools, like remove physical education and replaced it with DEI programs. Right. So they would become more diverse and more sensitive to other people's feelings. But you can't put a 9 year old boy in a chair for 7 hours and have him stare at him.

You gotta rip around.

Yeah.

Let him go break something.

Yeah, you gotta break. So they gotta hit each other with sticks. They gotta run around the sunlight.

Dude, I feel like there's any intention by the healthcare system to keep us sick.

Well, you know, I feel like, like, ironically, the Food and Drug Administration is called the Food and Drug Administration because the food leads to the drugs. And very often if we just cleaned up the food supply. When you think that the United states is ranked 66th in the world in life expectancy. So I used to be a mortality researcher. So we used to take 10 years of medical records and 10 years of demographic data and we would predict how many more months you had left on earth for big life insurance policies. Like 25 million, $50 million life insurance policies or big annuities. And if you, if you took all of that research and you boiled it down to its simplest form, it would be that the reason why most Americans are not living healthier, happier, longer, more fulfilling lives are because of what we called modifiable risk factors like diet and lifestyle changes that you could make tomorrow that would dramatically likely extend your life. So I do feel like, you know, when these, when 74 of our nutritional research is funded by big food, you get a food pyramid that says Lucky charms is more nutritious than grass fed steak. Right?

Yeah.

That's how you get this.

It's crazy, that pyramid, because I remember.

That bastard talked about it in health class.

Yeah.

Having like your bases, your carbs and the sugars, it's all the things. And it's like sitting there being like, I get this is it, this is what they're telling me. And now I'm sitting here at 34 years old and everyone's like, yeah, proven that's incorrect. Proven it should actually just be flipped upside down.

Yeah.

We've gotten so much wrong about basic human physiology. Dude. Our liver makes cholesterol. 85 of the cholesterol in your blood is made by your liver.

But the conspiracy theorist says, was it accidental or was it right?

It's like, why did we get it wrong?

Right.

Well, how do you get.

How do you get it wrong? And how did America be the one to get it wrong? You have all these other countries. All these things happen. I go to. My wife is from Canada. I go to Canada, I grab a ketchup bottle, a Heinz ketchup bottle. The ingredients list is a third the size of it, as is in America.

Yeah, where.

How did this get lost in translation?

Well, you think about how the whole system is structured. I mean, first of all, if you're a pharmaceutical company, you make chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals that go into hundreds of millions of human beings. You have no fiduciary responsibility to those people. So I make a chemical that's going to be injected into your bloodstream. I have no fiduciary to you. Who's my fiduciary to? My investor.

Right.

I can actually go to prison if I do not make a return for my investor. If I don't do what's in the best interest of my investor. Well, my investor also doesn't have a fiduciary duty to you. So my duty is not to make the cleanest, healthiest products. My duty is to make the biggest profit. If I don't create the biggest profit, I can actually face criminal prosecution. I will likely not. And you can look at the history of. Of all of these big settlements. I will likely not face criminal prosecution for harming you or your family or for millions of people. But I can go to jail if I don't get a return on investment for my investor. And then you stack that on top of the fact that we have slowly, over time, we have done what I call. We have socialized the expense and privatized the profit. So what I mean by that is, if you are a food manufacturer or chemical company or pharmaceutical company, largely your profit comes from the taxpayer, because who pays for your product, Medicaid or Medicare? Who funds Medicaid or Medicare? The taxpayer. Okay. So the taxpayer that all of us in this bus right now, we're paying taxes into the system. The system is compensating private companies to their balance sheet for making chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals. And so the public provides the payment and private industry collects the profit. And so once you design a system like that, and then you allow them to lobby to the point where they're indemnified from known harm. There is no other industry there where you can manufacture a product that knowingly causes harm and continue to manufacture it without any, any, any risk of or. Or Obligation. I mean, if you're, if your general motor. I mean, how many cars have you heard recalled in, in your lifetime? You know, it's like, well, Mitsubishi, you know, the brakes freeze. Okay, well, they recall all those cars and they fix that chip, right? You know, every time the Tesla catches fire, they recall those Teslas, they, they fix that battery problem. If you're, if you're, if you make synthetics and chemicals and pharmaceuticals, you can harm as many people as you want. You're indemnified from that harm. So the incentive is not there to help people. The incentive is there to drive profits. And it's, you know, it's, it's sad. If we, if you think that some sub Saharan South African nations that do not have clean water and sanitation are living longer than the average American, you realize how upside down the system is, right? You know, and, and everyone listening to the show has either has been or has a loved one or someone they know that has gone into that system and they become a statistic of that system. Because the third leading cause of death in the United States is medical error. So imagine if you applied that to any other industry, right? Imagine if you were like, I don't know, you sold home security systems, but you were the third leading cause of home invasion. Like, you'd be out of business pretty fast.

But.

Yeah, but in the healthcare system, they're like, great, you know. Yeah, let's just keep it pushing. Yeah, keep pushing. That's why. I'm sorry, on board with Bobby Kennedy's agenda.

Yeah, talk to me about that a little bit. Obviously, the administration only took over January 20th, so you. There's still a lot of unpacking that you guys have to do. But when you sit in this chair right now in the middle of August, what is like maybe the number one thing you've identified that you have to get out of the American diet?

Well, you know this. So what's really interesting about the Make America Healthy Again, the Baja movement, if you will, which is an apolitical movement, is, you know, you took people from two polar opposite ends of the spectrum. Like, if you got Bobby Kennedy and Donald Trump. Trump, outside of making kids and Americans healthy, they probably wouldn't agree on a single thing, you know, like big oil, food, agriculture, green energy. But in the area where we're in service to our children and to. In service to the health of Americans, there's. There's broad agreement and all. All Bobby is trying to do and is say we should hold pharmaceutical companies to the same standard that we hold Every other product or service that is going to go into somebody's, somebody's body, we should do the same level of rigorous testing. We're not anti vax, we are just pro research to make sure that they're safe and effective. When the vaccine started, for example, they said, oh, it prevents the infection. Great. You get vaccinated, you don't get Covid. And a few months later we're like, well, you do actually get Covid. And they're like, well, it prevents the spread. And then a few months later we're like, oh, didn't, didn't really prevent the spread. And then they were like, well, it reduces the risk of severe complications.

Then like this other one, get a booster.

It actually doesn't reduce the risk of severe complications. Well, what does it do? Well, it makes a hell of a profit, that's what it does. And, and so, you know, we allowed the experimentation on hundreds of millions of people. The worst thing we ever did to humanity during COVID And this is probably going to cut your audience right in half, but was residential quarantining, masking and social distancing.

I don't think he cut anybody in half just now.

No, they're already gone.

No, no. Yeah, okay, go ahead. I think most of our boys are out there, like, go on.

But they're, they're still, they're still hanging with us.

What's going on? Yeah, yeah.

All right. Usually I cut the audience right in half as soon as I start talking about vaccines, Vaccines, politics and religion. But, but those are, those are the three no fly zones. But in any case, what, what, what Bobby's been able to do with this Maha agenda has been able to do in the very short period of time they've been off in office. You know, they've been petroleum based food dyes. So think about this just like your point in going to Canada, right, where you have this. You had a red skittle and a red skittle and they both look red and they both taste exactly the same way. One's, one's actually colored with, with beet juice and one is colored with a petroleum based food dye. What's a petroleum based food dye? It's a fuel source that we use for buses like this. Your body doesn't have enzymes to break that down. Causes inflammation. Immune system tries to attack it. So why do we do that? Well, because we're allowed to manufacture things cheaper. The 51,000 chemicals that we use in the agricultural system in this country, the chemical companies are seeking broad immunity for that. They actually can't sell in their own mother countries, you know. And so Bobby Kennedy is trying to put a stop to that. He's going to say, hey, Bayer, you're a German company, you make Roundup glyphosate. You want to spray that shit on our food here, which you're not allowed to spray on your food at home, and you want us to indemnify you from harm caused to our citizens and you want the taxpayer to foot this bill? We're, we're not going to do it.

Yeah, it seems like that.

And so petroleum based food diets got out of this system. Some of the other big wins were the SNAP food program, you know, the food stamp program. They were able to get high sugary sodas and candies. You can still buy high sugary sodas if you want, still buy candy, still buy a vape, still buy cigarettes, still buy alcohol. You just can't do it with the taxpayers money. Right. So now 26 states, don't quote me on that. It's around 26 states have signed on to say, yeah, we're, we're going to take that $10 billion and we're going to redirect it to these underserved communities and we're going to actually force them to buy whole foods. Those are ways you make massive sweeping change.

Right.

You know, and getting physical education back in the school system, I mean, you, you'll actually see the rates of all of these. I don't even like this term, but mental, mental disorders or mood disorders, add, adhd, poor attention span, lack of focus and concentration. Kids that can't complete their assignments follow direct that they're hammering with Adderall. You're going to see those rates eviscerate. When we just do simple things like bringing physical education back into the school system, getting all the processed out of their diets and putting just whole foods into their diets.

Yeah.

And getting back to the basics. So that's what I think that part of the movement's all about.

Yeah.

That presidential test. When you're in elementary and middle school, ma'.

Am.

Yeah.

Figured out, boys and men, you go down, you have to do the stretch thing first and you do the sit ups, the push ups in a minute.

Yeah.

You're just thinking yourself, my, like my boy will, he got 36. I gotta get myself at least 37.

We like years ago when I, when.

I. Yeah, there's that box right there.

There it is.

The stretching stretch box.

Yeah, the stretch box.

That's awesome.

Isn't that crazy?

Oh, that's the fifth grade presidential test.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He looks like he's struggling, dude.

Yeah, that's a big ass chip grid where you're.

That is a big ass fifth grader.

Expected to get the most push ups. And then you hear one of your boys at like 68 in the push up contest, you're like, ain't no way.

Yeah.

Heart rate, anxiety, 32nd dead hang. You know, run a mile in less than nine minutes, do 10 unbroken push ups and 20 unbroken sit ups. I mean that seems to be like very basics. And yet, you know, 77%, this is a department of respect. Yeah. Department of defense statistic. 77% of our military age men and women. These are, these are men and women that are, that qualify for military service due to their age. 77% of them cannot enter the military due to just poor health. If you don't think that is a national security disaster, that three quarters of our nation's eligible military men and women do not qualify for military service because of poor health. Like, we got to turn this around. You know, it's crazy. Like, years ago, 2016, I. I owned a CrossFit gym for a while called Real Fitness in Naples. And one of the things we did for community outreach was we would have, we would let these kids come from the grade school and that we would put them through free wads and we had like almost like after school care for 90 minutes. And the parents loved it. They shuttle them over to our, our gym and, and so we would try to break them into groups so they wouldn't, you know, the kids that were not as physically active wouldn't be embarrassed by the kids that were killing it. And we had like this basic, basic, basic test. We had a foot high box jump, one 12 inches high. And all the kids had to do is sit down on the box jump and then just stand up, just stand up. And you wouldn't believe the number of the, like the first day my, my, my partner TJ and I were like, what, what the is going on? Like, they were falling off, they were rolling to the side, they were putting their hands down. I'm like, no, no, no, just sit down and stand up. They couldn't stand up from a foot high box jump. Then we would hold them up on the, on, on the pull up bars and we were like, okay, just hang here for 30 seconds. And you'd, you'd let them go and they fall and you're like, no, no, hold on. Like, don't let go. The point is to not let Go. And they would, just as soon as you let go of their waist, they'd fall to the floor. And I just remember how, how baffled I was that these kids like couldn't stand up from a box jump and couldn't hang for 30 seconds. And then of course you had some kids who were just swinging around on there all day long.

Right.

But the vast majority of them that just zero coordination, no sense of like their body awareness. And I mean it was, I just remember how shocked I was by that. Like man, we're in a bad state of affairs.

Talking about some things to change on like the macro level for like schools and kids and youth and stuff like that. We were talking a little bit before this pod started. What about like how do you get it to where the average American can access the things like we get to access. So you're in an industry to where the medicine can be coined as medicine 3.0 yourself. You got Peter Attia, Dr. Huberman, where people who take it all very seriously and they have the means to do it, can work with a group to where you're paying out of pocket, your insurance doesn't cover it. To get all of these blood panels to where if you go and consume Gary Brech or any of these people I'm mentioning, they talk about like all these blood panels and, and, and, and blood work that you can get. So that way you can identify things from a cellular level.

Right.

You shouldn't be taking all of these vitamins and supplements because your body might not need it.

Right.

Going through a sleep study, you're getting access to a DEXA scan. At, at what point does the shift happen to where the average person will be able to access these things versus going in and getting a, a 20 minute checkup from a doctor and then he prescribes you an orange bottle and then sends you on your way.

Yeah. Or you don't have to sit there and have an injury and it's just an acute injury and they just focus on that injury, not everything else that's going on.

Going on with the know when, when powerful enough people at the highest end of government wake up and realize it is less expensive to prevent the disease than it is to treat it. Right now we spend 80% of our 5 trillion dollar budget on preventable chronic disease. You can't overlook that. I'm going to say that again. We spend 80% of our budget, $5 trillion a year on preventable chronic disease, morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, chronic issues like autoimmune, which I think is Another category that is completely misunderstood, you know, genetically inherited disease, which is another completely nonsensical thing that we've been sold by the medical community is that we inherit disease from our offspring. Because my uncle had high blood pressure, I have it. So I have to subscribe to a lifetime of medication. So as we are slowly waking up to the fact that it will cost us less money to prevent those chronic diseases than it does to treat them, we start throwing that money at the deficit. We and it becomes very unpopular for politicians to be on the other side of that equation. That's when the real change is going to occur. But let's just say, let's just walk through some things that you could do for nothing, right? Because I get a lot of flack when we talk about Dana White and some of the other folks that I've worked with because he has a red light bed, he has a PEMF mat, he has a what's called ewot machine.

He's a 1%.

Just to clarify for the audience too do and talking about medicine 3.0 and he keeps using the word preventative disease. It's like you guys working on preventative, working with like in preventative medicine versus when you go to the doctor where it's more reactive medicine.

Yeah, it's very true. It says more of what God gave us, less of what man makes us. You know, I believe a lot more in what God gave us than what man makes us. I don't believe that when somebody has a mental illness or an autoimmune disease or a chronic condition that they are missing things like beta blockers and Adderall. Right. Those are not what we have deficiencies in. We have deficiencies in nutrients that are causing these conditions to exist. So let's say that you want to do Dana White's Protocol 129000 light bed, a $5000PMF mat and a $5500 E watt exercise with oxygen machine, you can expose your skin to sunlight right in the, especially in the first hour of the day. And, and people like yeah, I think that's a little overblown. Sounds like. And witchcraft. Absolutely not. Like we are so out of touch with the circadian cycle of the earth. If you watch Huberman's podcast, he goes deep into the science of just morning sunlight. So we've been taught to fear the sun. Right? I mean if, if you actually, and I've done this on, on lectures before, if you actually took a chart part of the parabolic rise in sunscreen right. Since the 1950s, there's been this absolute parabolic spike in sunscreen. I mean, sudden sun, skin cancer. If you took the parabolic rise in skin cancer, it would be superimposable with the parabolic use of sunscreen. So how is it that we're getting less sun using more sunscreen and we're getting more skin cancer? Right, because the polar opposite is happening now. You know, 23 brands of sunscreen have been pulled from the market it since 2018 for directly or indirectly causing skin cancer. And we've been taught to fear the sun. So number one, stop fearing the sun. And number two, learn to do things like just basic breath work. Just getting back to really obnoxiously deep breathing. Why? Because as we age, our auxiliary muscles of respiration start to atrophy and we begin to progressively breathe more shallow. Shallow. As you breathe more shallow, you become more hypoxic, more oxygen deprived. As you become more oxygen deprived, your cells cannot defend themselves. So learn to do breath work. I do a style of breathwork called Wim Hof. You can get tutorials all online for free, learning how to do that style. Yeah, that's like the box breathing.

Videos.

Yeah, I got them on my site.

Lay it next to you and you just heat the takes you through it.

Yeah. And. And if you can every day take your shoes off, touch the surface of the earth, the earth has a low gauss. Current is a magnetic current. It. Again, I get a lot of flack for this too. It. Earthing and grounding is a very real thing. If you had zero money and you just added morning sunlight, breathwork and grounding to your routine, you would hit the red light bed, the PMF mat and the oxygen. Right?

So.

So if, if you've got a million dollars lying around or $100,000 lying around, go buy a red light bed. But if you don't, like most people, don't expose your skin to sunlight.

If it's so simplistic to just get 10 minutes of sunlight in the morning, why, what is the necessity for even spending $125,000 on a red light bed?

Purely convenient.

Is it still the same on a cloudy day? Or if you're up in like and you're working out early in the morning, it's still a little dark outside, you're.

Just like, yeah, if you're, if you're getting after it and it's winter time.

So it's, it's purely convenience. Right. I mean I tell my wife all the time, I don't have a I don't have a car problem. I don't have a watch problem. I have a biohacking problem. So my whole. Our whole house is just a bunch of biohacking stuff. Hyperbaric chambers and perfect tested.

You want to bring a machine in? She's like, hang on a second. Where the hell you going?

This is what.

Put that over there.

What are we doing over there? We did have a little bit of. We had some tension over the. The. The third hyperbaric.

Grab that microphone anytime you want to butt it. If he says some lies, you're more than welcome to jump on board. Oh, she's grabbing it.

What does he got?

He likes to sneak things in when I'm out of town.

Hey, smart, heady moves, not small things.

We're talking.

We're talking relationship advice as well.

The size of this bus, maybe half of the size of this bus into my master bedroom is.

And then I didn't say a word, and I pretended like it had always been there.

Oh, gaslight.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What is this? What are you talking about? It's been there.

That is exactly what I said she comes back for. She went skiing for five days in Switzerland. I was like, you know, you want to go skiing in Switzerland? This is the kind of that happens. So I. I had these guys walking.

Your whole room is a hyperbaric chamber.

Literally working 24 hours a day around the clock for like five straight days. They ripped the wall out, they moved the hyperbaric in. They put the wall back. They put the. The wallpaper back over the wall, and she walks into the master bedroom. Dude, I thought it was pretty badass.

We all live together. We'd be fired up.

Yeah, yeah.

Thinking about marriage dynamic and everything else. I'm like, oh, yeah, I can see more.

Yeah, we took.

We might have went to 10 persons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Peaks and troughs. That was a. That was a trough.

Let it go. Because he apologized that he did take it too far.

And yeah, I looked at it and.

I was like, accountability is important.

This is a lot bigger than I thought it was. Was. Dude, you look like a submarine. And she comes around the corner and she goes, yeah, that's true. Then he added, can we say on this podcast, okay. Cuz she goes, what the is that? And I go, the is what?

And she's like, the is that?

I'm like, babe, that has been here for months. And like, literally, the drywaller, you could see where he had done the tape. And I was like, it was still wet and I'm like it. You got to paint over it. She's gonna be here in five hours. They painted over it. And the. You know, the moisture still came through, so you see all the lines.

So funny me.

And so, by the way, he didn't tell you about the second hyperbaric chamber, which is now in our gym, which used to have gym equipment, and now it's just another second hyperbaric. It's a.

It's.

You got to do it twice.

Yeah. It's about this big. And it's got to come over. It's got rowers and weights in it.

You can pick your hyperbaric chamber. Yeah, we had a third one, too.

Yeah, a lot of people have guest rooms. You guys have multiple hyperbaric chambers.

It's.

You'll be sleeping in tonight.

Then we got, like, hydrogen nanogas, hydrogen nano tubs. We got red light beds. We got multiple cold plunges.

One of my original questions is, what is too much? When is it enough?

You know, have you.

Have you seen the guy that has, like, Brian Johnson. Yeah. $2 million in his body every single year? He's like, essentially, he's trying to live until. Until forever. Until Jesus comes back. He's trying to get it all. He's trying to get it all done. Like, what is too much? Because there's got to be, like, a level of, I want to also live my life.

Life. Yeah.

And from a social standpoint, like, if you get to a point where I can't even go out to eat because the seed oils, all these different things that could possibly be in it, it's just. It can be crazy.

And I think. And I'm a big fan of Brian Johnson. I think he's showing us what's possible, not what's probable. I mean, it's not probable for just about anyone, but, you know, to his credit, look, he's spending his own money, and he's. And he's getting data on his body, and he's just sharing it with the world, and he gets a lot of flack for it. And I'm like, dude, leave the guy alone. He sold his company for a couple hundred million bucks, and he's spending the money on trying to see how long he can live. And he's given you a window into it. You don't have to do what he's doing, but he's showing you what's possible, not what's probable. But the majority of us would be better served to just get back to the basics. You know, like I said, sunlight, grounding, breath, Work, whole food, diet, sleep, you know, basic supplementation. Everyone, the majority of people listening to this right now are probably supplementing for the sake of supplementing. They're not supplementing for deficiency. And that's where most people go wrong. You know, like, if you ask me about CoQ10, Resveratrol, NAD, Ashwagandha, St. John's Wort, I mean, all these things are great. The question is, does your body need it? And there is one test called a methylation test. It's a. It's a genetic test. It doesn't look at all of your genes. It just looks at the Genesis, the. The nine or 12 genes that convert nutrients in the human body, that give you the raw material that you need to power the body. It's a test you do once in your lifetime. You definitely do not have to do this test with me. Hundreds of companies offer methylation tests. They're not expensive. Basically, you take a cheek swab, you send it to a lab, the results come back, and it says, here's what your body can process and here's what it can't. And it will give you the basic supplements that you need. And by basic, I mean they're usually complex of B vitamins, something called methylfol, basic amino acids that you could get off the shelf, and vitamin D3 with K2 if you actually supplement for deficiency first. Right. Like back to the tree example where the soil is deficient in new nitrogen. If you don't add nitrogen to the soil, nothing else matters. And you can cover, even if you didn't want to do those tests, you could cover the basics with a methylated multivitamin, 5000ius of vitamin D3 with K2 and about 800 micrograms of methyl folate. Those three things would cover 85 to 90% of the basics of what the majority of human beings are missing. If you give those nutrients to your body now, it can start to manufacture and convert things inside of your body that lead to your mood, that lead to your emotional state, that return your gut motility to normal. So take, for example, the whole category of, let's say mental illness, like depression, anxiety, ADD, ADHD. If you just took those three things, probably 80% of your listeners have suffered from someone or all of those things at some point in their life. Right? And you're told that you have mental illness or you have a mood disorder. But if you start backing this up. Right. Okay, well, how do we define depression in this country? Well, we define depression as an inadequate supply of serotonin Serotonin. So in other words, if you're low on serotonin, you're by definition depressed. So wouldn't you think that if the definition of depression is low serotonin, that the fix would be to raise serotonin? That's not what we do. Right. We take people that are low on serotonin, we put them on something called an ssri, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. What does that do? Well, it doesn't raise your serotonin, but so by its own definition it doesn't end depression, which is why most people take these things for 12, 14, 16, 18 years. If we actually took a further step back and said, well, how do we make serotonin if I'm low on this thing, how do I get more of it? Well, we make serotonin in the gut. 90% of the serotonin in your body is right here. If you don't have it here, you can't have it here. So depression rarely begins in the outside environment. It almost always begins in the gut. And so how do I, I, how do I make serotonin in the gut? Well, you take an amino acid called tryptophan, the one that makes you sleepy for after Thanksgiving dinner. You methylate that into the neurotransmitter serotonin, and then it goes up to your brain and it creates mood and emotion. So could I be depressed because I'm low in serotonin, because I don't have the right complex of B vitamins and the, and enough supply of tryptophan? Yes, those are simple nutrient deficiencies that eventually wind up as a method mental disease. Right. Then you'll never convince me that 65 of Americans suffer from a clinical level of depression. Like, it's just not, we don't have that big of a depressed society. We have a nutrient depleted society that is expressing itself as depression. There's so many people running around with anxiety or adhd and they think they have, they think that they're deficient in Adderall or Vyvans or Ritalin. They're not deficient in those. They're deficient in the complex of B vitamins and the methylfolates and the amino acids that give them the material to make the neurotransmitters that build mood and emotion. And so like, my message for humanity is you can take a basic level of supplementation, focus on sleep, water hydration, yes, you can add hydrogen, things like that. But before you go and, and step up to the big leagues of buying all this fancy equipment and everything. If you just covered those basics, man, your life would take an entirely different trajectory. Yeah, you know, I. I do this thing sometimes when I speak from a stage where I say, I'll take. 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Yeah, I don't know if I was answering. I do. I think that. Yeah, dude, I went to. I love that question.

I just love how you just popped it up there.

Dude, It's.

It's actually a great question.

Is absolutely real, dude.

It's so real. I mean, I learned to believe in it when I lived in Chicago for six years in grad school. I went to grad school in Chicago. That's where I got my second degree in biology. Human biology degree.

Nice.

Dude. You don't see the sun for seven months. And I lived in the South Loop of Chicago. And I'm telling you, you can feel it in the city. Like, everybody's just pissed off, irritated. They want to fight, drink, sleep, or eat pizza. Right? It's like.

That's right.

And.

And then you get that first spring day, and. Sorry, if you live in Chicago, but. And you get that first spring day where, like, all the windows pop open and the sun's shining to people flood the streets.

Colored glasses, like, come back on, dude, you can. All over the streets.

It's amazing because I. That's why I live in Florida.

I grew up in Arizona.

Yeah.

Yeah. You guys call yourself a Sunshine State. Arizona actually has the most sunshine of all the states.

I actually heard it was Colorado.

No.

Can we do a fact check on that?

We can fact check that. Yeah, I would love to. I would love nothing more than to get this.

Dude, I got. I don't think. I don't think that Arizona beats what has more sunshine color. The state of Colorado or the state of Arizona. Arizona is often considered the sunny state in the U.S. ah. The sunniest city in the world. Okay.

Shout out Arizona.

Damn. Well, you know what's weird is Colorado has more sunshine than. Than Miami. And I didn't realize that.

That is wild. Yeah. So I grew up in Arizona Wins. And I. I commit to the University of Michigan.

Okay.

It's awesome. I'm so glad the transfer portal was not around then, because the first winter I was borderline suicide watch, dude.

It was so miserable to Michigan.

Literally walking around like, I have no idea why. I feel so depressed. I'm sad. Why is it, like, homesickness? Not really. Like you're trying to identify all these things, but, like, the middle of my first winter at Michigan, I was like, why the hell.

Yeah.

Am I dealing with this?

Yeah. So, yeah, it's real sunlight medicine. How.

How do you combat seasonal depression?

Red light.

So, yeah, red light. And, And. And getting outside. So what happens when there's not a lot of sunlight outside? People actually stay indoors more often.

Now you're also going back to the cloudy question. Do you still get.

No. The blue light comes right through the. The blue light that actually impacts what's called cortisol, your waking hormone in the morning and actually suppresses melatonin and helps raise cortisol. That blue light will come right through the. Right through the clouds. Now, if it's really overcast and like heavy rainy day or you got a snowstorm going on outside, that's. That's something different. But on an overcast, cloudy day. Yeah. That sunlight getting into your eyes is still the best things that you can do for yourself. And I would.

Would.

I would actually take regular trips to sunshine states. I mean, the, The. If you look at life expectancy around the world, the longest life expectancies on Earth are centered right around the equator. For every 20 degrees, is it longitude? Yes. Is our latitude. For every 20 degrees latitude you get away from the equator, there's a precipitous drop in life expectancy until you get to the poles, where you have the shortest life expectancy. On earth. True. Eskimo, when I was born in 1970, had a life expectancy of 56 years. Right. They never saw the sun. And. And when they did, they were so layered up, they. They were just critically deficient in vitamin D3. And so a lot of what you can do is you can combat seasonal affective disorder by taking vitamin D3.5000ius of vitamin D3 a day with a little bit of K2. And most manufacturers put those two together. The best vitamin manufacturers will combine K2 and vitamin D3, and that's a huge, huge combative force for seasonal affective disorder. But I, I learned to believe it. Like I said, I went to grad school for six years in Chicago. Dude, it was, it was really depressing, you know, and then when you don't see the sun and you're not going outside, you're eating like, you're drinking a lot and then.

Cocktail for sadness.

Yeah, it's a great cocktail. It's a good cocktail for like two hours. And then the sadness is like twice the intensity.

We need to have the, the supplements that you talk about, vitamin D and K. And then we need to get.

Some red light in here in this shop.

Yeah, for the boys, because we, you know, all the boys.

Yeah, especially.

Dude, if I send you guys a red light bed, will you use it?

Do what?

If I send you guys a red light bed, will you use 1,000%? Oh, whoa, hold on now. Free. I'll be free.

Balling around this whole shop using the red light therapy.

My wife and I, we are getting a new house at the end of this year and looking for a spot to maybe get a red light bed, so.

All right, Something to think about.

I'm. I'm shipping you guys a red light bed.

All right, we'll take three.

That's one in the world.

It's all good. So one for the shop, two for the house.

There's a lot of free from here. There's a gym out there. They didn't pay for couch coming in the door. When I was like, you guys got couches?

Yeah, I guess so. Yes, I saw that.

I was like, up. Yeah.

Come on, man.

How fired up were you when you saw that?

Sore.

Next gym.

Oh, dude, that thing is. That is badass, dude. Yeah, that is top of the line, dude. That's not inexpensive equipment either. That's. No, that is a legit.

They're not even partners of ours, really. They are now, I guess. Yeah. There's essentially no deliverables. They're not paying us really? They brought that in and they're like, yeah, you guys go crazy good for that and everything.

It is it. My wife said it's Florida State call dollars. Yeah, she's a Florida State fan last year.

Tough year last year. It's been a couple of tough years.

Yeah. It's been hard for her to be.

A fan for a while. Supposed to make the playoffs that one year, and then Georgia happened. It's not. This is not the type of podcast.

Not that type of podcast.

Yeah.

Gut health.

Yes.

Is it the most important thing to take care of? And how do you repair gut health?

Great question. So thank you.

It's always nice to hear that.

So if you think about what the gut is, first of all. So first of all, our gut is actually outside of our body. It's hard to. To. To remember that. But, you know, the inside of your intestinal tract is continuous with the outside of your cheek, right? Just folds in. So this tube, which is 36ft long, that runs through our body from our mouth to the rectum, this 36 foot long tube has a single cell layer, one cell layer on the inside that protects our outside environment from our inside environment. That single cell layer is one of the most important cell layers in all of human physiology, because what it does is it keeps bad things in the gut and it keeps good things in the bloodstream. When that layer gets compromised, which is called leaky gut, you have all kinds of consequences. So if we think about what are. What are some of the big things that go on in the gut? Well, first, that we don't eat to feed ourselves. Right. Nothing that you eat. No. No piece of chicken, no hamburger, no slice of bread is in the format that you can use as energy. The only reason why we eat is to feed our gut bacteria. Our gut bacteria eat to feed us. So there's an intermediary between the food you eat and the nutrition your body gets. And that intermediary is your gut bacteria. So we eat for one reason why only, to feed our gut bacteria. And they eat for one reason only, to feed us. And so that intermediary is very important. So you have bacteria in there and. And then you have this single cell layer. And when that cell layer gets disrupted, contents from inside your gut start to leak into the bloodstream. This causes inflammation. It's the genesis of a lot of autoimmune disease. If you think about what else goes on in the gut, the majority of our neurotransmitters are made in the guide gut. And what are neurotransmitters well, neurotransmitters form the basis of every mood and every emotion that you can. You can feel. Dopamine, for example, is the main driver of behavior. If I was able to magically stick a syringe in your arm and just suck the dopamine out of your body, you would immediately engage in dopamine seeking behavior. What does that mean? That means that you would be seeking something like drugs, alcohol, nicotine, promiscuity, workaholic work, alaholic. You would do something to chase that Dopamine deficiency. We called this addiction. The absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction. There isn't an addict in the world, if you've ever been an addict or known a true addict, that woke up one morning and said, I want to get really banged up. They woke up one morning and said, I want to feel normal. And it was the search for normalcy that developed their addiction. They smoked a cigarette, they took a hit from a joint, they drank alcohol, they engaged in some kind of crazy activity like jumping off a. A cliff in a squirrel suit. They're like, wow. I mean, that rush of dopamine made them feel normal. So when you talk about all the things that the gut regulates, it not only converts our food into compounds the body can use. It not only manufactures neurotransmitters that make us feel happy, make us feel sad. If, if your gut is off, you can't feel elation, passion, joy, arousal, libido, because you can't manufacture those emotions. So. So the gut is incredibly important. 70% of our immune system is sitting right outside of our gut. And why? Because that's where all the action is. And so what are some great things that you can do for your gut? Well, there are peptides, probably my favorite peptide in the world, which is called BPC157 Golf Club for BPC. Yeah, it is. I have incredible.

I was a founder's client.

Oh, we were.

Yeah. I mean, will put me on BBC. It used to be legal in the NFL. Well.

And I can't believe it's not legal.

Absolutely crazy. But he put me on and I would have like, just general soreness. Stick it my, you know, my leg or my butt. Fine.

Yeah.

I had an ankle. If my ankle would be swollen up, I feel like I wouldn't be able to play. Put it there acutely. Three days later, I'm able to play a game.

It's incredible.

It isn't about it through Greenfield being on Rogan back in like 2015.

Yeah.

When he's talking about red light, putting stem cell in his, his boy downstairs, you know, the hacks like boost your testosterone and he'd do shockwave therapy. He talks about BPC 157. Yeah, he talks about not being illegal yet. And I was like, well, let me see.

Yeah, it's not, it's not illegal. There's, there's a company called Peptual. They make these. You go online because I think you also have to be concerned about where you're sourcing, you know, peptides in general. The majority of these peptides come from China and there's a lot of fillers, binders, a lot of metals in them. I'd be cautious about just going Online and searching BPC157 than just buying it. But if you can get it from a compound pharmacy, which compound pharmacies make it in America, then it's regulated. But BPC 157 is, I mean it's arguably my favorite peptide. You can stack that with something called TB500 which, these are just healing and wound repair peptides. This will actually help to seal that single cell layer of the gut because not only does it improve soft tissue injuries like you're talking about, like ligaments, knees, hips, shoulders, rotator cuffs, low backs, but it's, it's actually a gastric peptide. It's a gastric pentadecapeptide and it's synthesized from gastric juice. So it really helps calm inflammation the gut and helps heal and seal the gut. The majority, if not all of my private clients I have on BBC 157. It's tolerated very well. Orally you can take it orally, you can take it by injection, you can site injection like you're talking about. Peptual makes these, these pads that you soak with BPC127 and you, you put them on the skin and it will release the BPC157 over a 12 to 14 hour period. So if you have some kind of nagging repetitive injury like a rotator cuff or you know, lateral ankle or medial knee or low back, everybody usually has low back issues. It's a, it's incredible. So, so we're talking about the gut. I think BPC157 also, you know, adding things to your, your diet like fermented vegetables. Just take a serving of fermented vegetable and throw them on the plate with at least one of your meals. Fermented vegetables are like sauerkrauts, kimchi, even pickled. Any, there's BPC 157? Yeah. Stronger tissue, reduced inflammation, quicker healing, improved brain function. I mean that, the, the now human clinical studies that are being done on BBC 157 because it was largely done on, on, on animals, now some large scale human trials. The data that's coming out of these trials for neural inflammation, for cognitive function, for connective tissue injuries is, is amazing because before we just fully get off BBC 157, what it does is it harnesses the, the, the, the power of your body to heal itself. So let's say you were walking down the street and you stepped off a curve and you twisted your right ankle, right? So how does the body know to heal this right ankle and leave the left ankle alone? It's because when you tear that tissue, you break open these little cells called fibroblasts and they start telling the bloodstream, hey, I'm hurting, hurt, I'm hurt. Starts sending a signal, an inflammatory signal. Well, a platelet that's cruising by in your bloodstream, when it hears that signal, it bursts and it drops off growth factors. So you're healing because platelets are bringing growth factors to the site of injury. What BPC157 does is it amplifies that signal. So if you had 10 platelets cruising by and two jumped out of the bloodstream, you take BPC 157, 10 plates, platelets are cruising by and nine will jump out of the bloodstream. So all you're doing is concentrating the healing power of the human body. I'm a huge, huge fan of peptides. I think you're going to see Bobby Kennedy widen the lane for peptides with the FDA because they're very safe, they're very effective. They're amino acids. Our body breaks them down, eliminates the waste, and we're taking so many anti inflammatories and corticosteroids in the NFL. I mean, steroid injunctions end more careers early than you could imagine. Cortisone's crazy. Once or twice, fine. But chronic cortisone injections, I mean, Joe Theisman probably, I mean, not Joe Tyson, who's the Miami quarterback. Dan Marino, you know, his career was ended early because he's multiple cortisone injections, right? You know, constantly into the elbow.

Now if you sprain your ankle, would you say going into the site with BPC157, if you're injecting it or if you still do a sub Q in your gut, it would still get there.

If you did subq in your gut, it would still get there. I would either wear a patch or I would take very high oral doses. Right. Because BBC157 is usually the dosage is around 500 milligrams orally, but you can take four or five times that amount very safely with very little known side effects. Because what will happen is BPC157 will migrate to that site, right? It will, it is attracted to those cytokines, those histamines, the, the signal coming from the inflammation. So you take high doses orally. It works very, very well. You can also site injection, inject it, but just like going subq, the bloodstream will carry it away and it will find its way back to that site. Unless you're going right into the, the capsule of the joint or something, which most people are not qualified to do. So BBC 157 is tolerated very. It's one of those peptides you can take orally. It's not like the growth hormone like.

It, like in pill form or you just saying put the, the syringe and squeeze in your mouth.

You can take it in, in capsule form. You can take it in a, in a form that, in a, in a, in a patch that actually goes into the bloodstream over a prolonged period of time, which is a method that I would prefer. You can combine it with things like NAD and something called G. Ghkcu, which is a copper peptide. So you can actually get these patches. You soak them with GHK, Cu, Copper Peptide, NAD and BPC 157. You wear them for 12 or 14 hours and it leaks a consistent dosage into the bloodstream. So if you had an acute injury or you were recovering from surgery, that's what I would be, that's what I would be doing. If you specifically have gut issues, I would be taking BBC157 twice a day orally. A thousand milligrams, two different times during the day. The back of the bottle is going to tell you to take 500 milligrams for how long? Long until that the symptoms have result. And then it would take it prophylactically essentially forever. And then there are, you know, I.

Got a little back problem right now.

Oh, you do?

Yeah, yeah, it's been. Oh, it's been a, been an issue since 2020.

So this. Let's just focus on that for a second. So why do low back problems have a tendency to linger? Why do rotator cuffs have a tendency to linger? Why do you, why do a lot of these injuries have a tendency to become chronic and I can't emphasize this enough. Is that. Is that you?

Yeah.

Oh, I was like, damn, it's a lot worse than I thought.

We're like, we're gonna do this pod and I'm gonna get up, and it's gonna take me a nice few steps just to get fully back upright.

All right. If I fix that for you, will we come back on the podcast and do an update?

Yes.

Okay. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put that podcast. Yeah. Probably really take off.

Yeah.

So again, the thing that we are not addressing that is not being addressed in your injury, and I cannot emphasize this enough, is the microvascular circulation. You assume that when you take an anti. Inflammatory. Inflammatory. You take a corticosteroid, even if you take a peptide, that it is getting to that site and that what's trapped at that site, all the inflammatory compounds, those histamines and cytokines and all of that stuff. Stuff are getting out. And the truth is what happens is it gets trapped because you think about how small these vessels are. They're. They're microvascular. Your heart is not pumping the blood to that low back. Right. This. This activity of vasomotor is. So if you were to. And I'm going to send you one of these two. If you were to bathe in hydrogen gas. I know this sounds crazy, but if you were to bathe in hydrogen gas, if you were to start taking hydrogen tablets, and if you were to take slow Release, long duration BPC 157 and TB 500 and regularly use RED light therapy. A powerful enough bed. You can't use a bed that plugs into a 110 outlet. You have to use one that plugs into a 220. You need very powerful light in. In the span of seven to 10 weeks, it would be a permanent thing of your past because what's developed is.

How juiced up are you getting right now?

Holy.

Be seven to ten weeks.

Yeah.

Talking about end of. End of 25 boys operational.

Yeah, boy.

Might be making a comeback because you.

Only retired in 2023. Right?

2020 is when, oh, the situation happened.

Okay.

And it's bothered me for, like, in moments, episodes that. And now it just feels like more of, like a way of life. I've been trying to help correct it. Like, there's been doing things where I've been making good progress. But you're right, it feels like there's like zero. So the things you got to do just to get circulation going there and.

Yeah.

Just to feel warmed up is a process.

It's, it's. And that's why, you know, cold plunging would be, you know, good for you, would probably help take some of the pain away. But, but what, what we have to do is we have to restore that vasomotor circulation so you can actually start to heal that, that part of that, that site. You're regular oral routes, even regular subcutaneous routes. No matter what you're administering into the body, it's still going into the bloodstream. The bloodstream is delivering it to that location. If, if you could actually put your injury on a thermograph, you would see that all of that stuff is making it almost to the site and it's just stopping. Right. So what you're doing to heal and repair that injury is not working because the, the delivery system, the highway to transport those things there is, is broken down. Right. So once we restore that highway, which is the microvascular system, and you do that with hydrogen gas, you do that with red light therapy and you do that with, with slow release peptides because they will. Bolus doses will not make it to that location and then they'll be gone from your bloodstream. Very small amounts will make it to that location. So you need prolonged sustained dosing. This is going to be a game changer for you.

Oh yes.

I feel like this will be amazing. Start from let's gain some knowledge to now I feel like we're both sitting here being like, how do we become the guinea pigs again? How do we become that.

Well, you've already got a red light.

Bet out of it, so.

Yeah. And, and, and I'm going to check with the team that you're using it. But the team will be dialed.

The team will be using it.

Yeah, the team will be using.

It'll be a schedule. Yeah. Sign up sheet, the whole thing.

Yeah. This will be great, man. And I think we'll come back in, let's say 10 weeks after we start. We'll come back on this podcast and we'll just do a quick update and. Yeah, because I think it would inspire a lot of people because there's so many people living with chronic ailments and they don't understand why they're staying chronic and nothing really stuck. Seems to.

And the audience, they know that there's this back. Has been a prominent piece of my, my journey for. Yeah. Years.

Really has.

Okay.

It really has.

Yeah. The boys were having fun playing this game called Te with the in the pool last week and my back's feeling a little bit Better. But I just still stand up there and I'm just. Anything I do, I'm always thinking, I don't want to re. Aggravate my back.

Yeah, no, my. My. My wife has an L5S1 fusion from Sage. Does From a. From a really bad car accident around the time that we met.

Yeah.

Like, on my decks, it says like. Like my L4, L5 and SI. Yeah. Right side.

Yeah. Screaming certain times, like L4, L5, and S1 are compressed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I want to say just. Just off the Dex of scan, it talks about how my discs in there kind of like, deteriorating.

Okay.

Can I tell you the thing that works the best for me?

Yes, please.

And I hate it. Every day, for the first 30 seconds to a minute, it's cold plunging, cold plunge mountain. Every time. It's just makes me feel so much better, at least. And sometimes I do it in the morning and at night, just if I've had a long day on my feet. But cold plunging, of all the things, I think works the best. But the red light is great, too. And I do hydrogen tablets every morning. And the hydrogen bath.

My thing is a process. I just got to get a. Just a quality cold tub. Like, I got a barrel, so I'll have to manually. And then I get lazy. I just don't do. I won't refill it because I'm not a. I love the. The feeling. You get cold plus challenging.

Once you get out, it just.

Yeah, going in, it kind of sucks. But getting out.

Your whole thing about the maintenance.

Yeah, I just, you know, that's another one of those things. You know, I have a saying that aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. And, you know, the more aggressively we pursue comfort, the faster we age. And, you know, like, we got to stop telling grandma not to go outside. It's too hot, not to go outside, it's too cold. Just to lay down, to relax, you know, to eat at the first pang of hunger. That's just destroying all your natural. Natural defense mechanisms. And. And cold plunging is one of those hormetic stresses. And look, you don't need to spend seven grand on a cold plunge. You can take Tupperware containers, fill them full of water, put them in your freezer, and the next night you'll have big blocks of ice. If you have a tub that'll last three days, it'll give you a cold plunge for three days, Even cold showers. But immersing yourself in cold water, because water is 29 times more thermogenic than air, meaning it removes heat from the body at 29 times the rate of air. And most people don't realize all of the, the safety mechanisms that trigger, the panic mechanisms that trigger in the body. When you quickly immerse yourself in cold water, you know, you get a peripheral vasoconstriction. But if you actually mapped the way that that works, it's, it's, it's, it's fascinating to me. Like, the more I study the human body, the more I, I believe in God, because I, I feel like this didn't happen by accident, you know, so you don't just get a peripheral vasoconstriction. It shuttles blood first to the brain, right? And then, and then once it shuttles blood to the brain, it will shuttle it to the heart and then to the lungs, and in that order. And what's fascinating about that, it's, it's a defense mechanism. So you're like walking across the ice and you break through the ice, and now you're in ice cold water and you're by yourself. You have no resources. Like, what is the body going to do? Well, first of all, constrict the periphery, right? If the brain shuts off, nothing else matters. So take care of that first. Then if the brain, the, if the brain's going, if the heart shuts off, nothing else matters. So let's take care of that. Second, once we got the heart stable, now we got to go to the lungs, because if they shut off, nothing else matters. Once you stabilize those systems, it's a very slow priority for the rest of the body. And then you activate something called brown fat, which is a very special type of fat in the body that actually exchanges a calorie for a measure of heat. So anybody that says that cold plunging doesn't burn fat is. It's nonsensical because you actually are physically taking calories and turning them into heat. Eat. There's a cost to raise your body temperature. That's done by brown fat. But what's really fascinating is then your liver releases something called cold shock proteins. If you really want to have some fun, just Google cold shock proteins or benefits of cold shock proteins. There's a lot of research going on right now, and these magical proteins that are trapped in the liver that are dumped into the bloodstream during, when you, when you cold plunge some of them. Lynn28a and Lin28b are being researched for improving insulin sensitivity, actually making you more sensitive to insulin, which is a good thing. And then, and then you get a, you get a release of Dopamine and, and, and norepinephrine. And what do these do? They widen your field of vision, they improve your mood, they make you more acute, more sharp, more focused, more concentrated. So you think about, man, if I was walking on the ice and I broke through and I was in cold water, my body's going to preserve my brain, my heart, my lungs. It's going to, it's going to start raising my body temperature. It's going to widen my field of vision. It's going to make my hearing more acute. It's going to make my, me process things faster. Right. Your processing speed is a lot faster. That's why when you get out, you're like, I feel amazing. Right. That was it. That was all the defense mechanisms of your body trying to save your life.

Yeah.

And that's why, you know, we overdo it with cold plunging too. I mean, look, three minutes minimum, six minutes maximum, 48 to 52 degrees Fahrenheit. There's no research that says colder is better, longer is better. We don't want to become cold adaptive. We just want to cold shock the body. Right. Take advantage of that cold shock and get on with your day. But I call it my drug of choice. Like, nothing makes you feel better for longer have.

You know, is there any biological difference between men and women and using the cold tub?

Yes. I mean, women need to be some, a little bit more cautious, especially given their time of the month. And so a cold plunge is really anything 58 degrees or less. Right. So women can get in, in slightly warmer water. 58 degrees Fahrenheit is still cold enough to give you all of the benefits of. It becomes like a man contest.

It' always ego.

You know, it's like, oh, you did, you did 48.

Yeah, I did 46.

Yeah, I did 46.

Yeah.

37, bro. Yeah, I'm going to get liquid nitrogen next week.

Something about a winter time, though, when you have to break the ice in a cold tub and sit in it. You definitely feel like a Viking for a minute.

Yeah. Yeah, you definitely do.

Definitely feel way cooler.

You definitely do. But a lot of the things that, that, that apply to men don't directly apply to women. You know, like some of the worst endocrine disasters I've ever had to repair are in young menstruating women that, that eat in a very narrow feeding rate window. Like husbands and wives will say, well, let's start intermittent fasting together. And the husband's killing it. Right. I mean, he's, he's putting on Muscle and he's exercising, he's sleeping like a bear, he's got all the energy in the world. And, and, and, and the woman's just a disaster because she's narrowed her feeding window. And so if, if you're a woman, you're listening to this podcast and all six of you. Yeah, well, well seven because my wife's here and my daughter eight. Okay, so the eight of you closer double digits. Yeah. What are you guys like 99 1.

We're up there. I think we're 90. We're in 90. No we're not. Yeah, a lot of toxic masculinity on this podcast. Yeah, I understand completely.

Anyway, we'll throw that, we'll, we'll throw the 8% of women a bone. Just, just get a blood test. If you, if your three month average, your blood sugar is very low, in other words, if, if it's below 5.3 or less, you're not a candidate for intermittent fasting. Men, we do really well with it. We only have one major hormone, testosterone. They have multiple hormones. They're different people throughout the time of the month. So I would, Is that science?

Sage of science?

Just purely science, baby. I can back that up.

What were you saying? I love you.

So. Yeah, I mean I just don't think it's a one size fit all. So women can do cold plunges at 58 degrees.

What's your, what's your thought on having a three, like three meals, like real full, nutritious meals as opposed to snacking throughout the day?

I think that's great. I mean if you look at the longevity diet, Valter Longo's research, who's probably the top fasting, intermittent fasting and fast mimicking researcher in the world at usc, you will find that the big data doesn't support time restricted eating. It does support fasting, but not consistent fasting because we become adaptive. So 12 hour feeding window is what he published in the, in the longevity diet. He has an enormous body of research to, to support that and then once in a while doing what's called fast mimicking where you actually reduce your caloric intake. Take for a day or for several days and then you go out back to eating normal calories. But 12 on, 12 off is something that people seem that they to be consistent with over a long duration. I'm a huge fan of intermittent fasting for people that have blood sugar control issues. Again, it's, it's, it's like everything, it's not a one size fits all. So if you went and did a blood panel. You look at three things. You look at your glucose, you want that to be below 90 fasted. You, you look at your hemoglobin A1C. It's a three month average of your blood sugar, you to be 5.3 or better. And you want your insulin to really be in the single digits. Right. And the blood test allows your insulin to get to about 25. So people think, well, I'm still normal, but high insulin means you're not. You're secreting a lot of insulin to lower your blood sugar. Those people are perfect on intermittent fasting. But 12 hours on and 12 hours off, off is perfect for the vast majority of the population. You can live a very, very long time feeding yourself in a 12 hour window and allowing 12, giving your body a 12 hour break. And that's easy to do. That's 8 in the morning till 8 at night. And I was fascinated when I really started reading the research on it because most people eat from like 6:30 or 7 in the morning until 11:30 at night. We just grazed all day. We're just constantly, we're constantly grazing. And so if you actually just locked in a 12 hour window, you know, 8 in the morning, 8 at night, 6 in the morning till 6 at night, 10 in the morning till 10 at night. And you stayed consistent in that window and you shifted that window when you moved around time zones. Game changer for the majority of people. I love it. Yeah.

What, what kind of preventative things. Will and I both have children, both have girls. What are some proactive things we can do for our children so that when they get to our age, they don't have these autoimmune diseases, these, these other things that seem to pop up that people call genetic.

I'm going to give you the number one thing that you can do for your kids. And this is a dietary change. And sadly it's because the food supply here, you wouldn't have to do this if you were in Canada. You wouldn't have to do it if you were in Europe. But you have to militantly get the folic acid out of their diet. So you have to get them off of fortified or enriched foods. And what is that? What does that mean? In the United States, we are required by law. We spray all of our grains, all cereals, breads, pastas and grains of any kind. We spray them with the chemical folic acid. We've been told that folic acid is a naturally occurring compound. It's not. You cannot find folic acid anywhere. On the surface of the earth. It does not exist in nature. Okay. Folate exists in nature. We make a chemical in a laboratory called folic acid. In 1993, the chemical industry convinced the US government to spray this on our entire grain supply. So all bread, all pasta, all flour and grains of any kind are sprayed with folic acid. We don't call it sprayed with folic acid, we call it fortified or enriched. So fortified or enriched foods are sprayed with folic acid. Water fortified or enriched foods. Well, pop tarts, cereals, breads, bagels, all the things that we feed our kids. So if you just made the simple shift gift of either choosing organic or non fortified, non enriched versions of those foods, you would have a completely different child in the house. Because about half of the population can't process this, this compound at all. We have a gene mutation called mthfr. It's affectionately called the gene. About half the population has it. It's called mthfr. It means we can't process folic acid, which wouldn't be a big deal feel until you realize that folic acid is the most prevalent nutrient in the human diet. So if you switch to non fortified, non enriched foods, you would, you would plummet the incidence of add, adhd, ocd, manic depression, bipolar, learning disabilities, poor attention span, poor ability to follow directions. What we call impulse control. All of these issues that you have in kids very often are because this compound is coming into their body and they can't process, process it. So once you learn to get around that system and you learn what food, it doesn't mean you can't eat bread, doesn't mean you can't eat pasta, it doesn't mean you can't eat grains. You just need to eat the non fortified versions of those. Yeah. You know, everybody that's traveled to Europe or Italy and that lives in the US has had the experience where they go to Italy and they're like, dude, I eat pasta. Like my life depends on it. Yeah, I feel great, dude. I, I'm walking down the street in, in France, I'm eating French baguettes left like, you know, like tic tacs and.

Yeah.

And I'm not bloated, I'm not gassy, I'm not constipated, it doesn't make me want to crash because bread's made the way bread's supposed to be made over there. Same with pastas and cereals and grains. Here we add seed oils and we add folic acid to those and it just destroys our gut. So, so Crushed cereal. But I know we all did nothing better. Dude, I remember lining up the, the, the marshmallows in the. Cuz my mom would get really pissed off because I would actually take the spoon, I would pick out all the marshmallows, I'd leave the cereal floating in there. Yeah. And she's like, you have to eat the whole thing.

Yeah, it's more nutritious. Yeah, I need this marshmallow.

Yeah. Do you see this little starfish? Yeah, that thing.

Cereal too. Like I was a big fruity Pebbles guy and if you didn't eat those Pebbles, loved them.

Golly. Yeah, I was, I was honeycomb Golden Smacks.

I was a big who's the ripped.

But who's the pirate with the cross inflictors.

I was a guy that had your bowl in a minute.

Captain Crunch.

Yeah.

Oh, dude, that was so good. I can't even look at it now. But I used to line up those marshmallows.

What are some rules that you break? I mean, where people will be surprised.

Oh, Gary. Yeah. I mean, you won't answer.

I'll ask your family.

No, no, I, I break rules on sugar. You know, like, you know, I'm not the, I'm not the one that shows up to my 5 year old niece's birthday party is like, oh, I'm not gonna eat that cake. You know me, you know, I try to avoid forever chemicals but you know, I would rather actually eat sugar because my body can process that. I don't drink. I haven't put the, I haven't put the label on myself that I'm never going to drink again. Okay. Had a shot of tequila a few weeks ago. So I would say once in a while I break it for alcohol, usually tequila. Once in a while I'll break it for sugar.

You know, what kind of sugar are we talking here? Blizzard, not too long.

Oh, yeah, no, no, blizzard. I wouldn't do that, man.

You won't do a blizzard?

No, it's heartbreaking. You learn about blizzards. It's heartbreaking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's heartbreaking. Yeah, don't go for the blizzard. Blizzard. Yeah, that's. That'll put you in a coma.

Ice cream.

Yeah, ice cream. I mean you just look for the. There's this place called Southwest Ranches down the road from us and they actually do grass fed grass finish. Grass fed, grass finished. You know, meats, raw dairy. So you can actually take the stuff that you like to eat. And I have this thing called lateral shifts where I'll take anything that you like to eat and I'll just shift it to something more nutritious. You won't even notice. Like, you know, I used to love nachos. Now I take masa chips which are non GM camo corn, deep fried and beef tallow with. With sea salt. Right. Masa chips, which are tortilla chips. Put my. And then I'll. And then I'll take grass fed, grass finished beef or organ meats and spread that on the top, you know, like the ground beef. And then I'll take raw goat cheese shredded on the top of that, slice up some avocados, stick that on the top. Dude, it's just, it's a plate of nachos. And if you ate that nacho next to your other nachos, you wouldn't taste the difference. But the nutritional profiles, massively.

It's hard to beat that fake cheese though, that you get the ballpark.

Yeah, that's.

That's classic.

What is it? Vela or whatever like that.

It's hard to beat that anytime cheese.

Comes out of a pressurized can. Come on, man.

No, I'm with you.

But you're still smashing, child.

The little, little cans. Squeeze those.

Am I allowed to to ask?

Are you talking about a whip? No, no. I was like, wow, you're really going down.

So actually, time out, time out.

Can. I wanted to ask his daughter, like, what. What pisses her off?

Go ahead.

About what pisses her daughter.

What's a pet peeve about your father?

Yeah, pet peeve by your dad.

Something I will say. He'll get on a phone and if you leave any sort of food anywhere, it's gone.

Oh yeah, I do. I do unconsciously eat on the phone.

Yeah, just about anything of mine. I'll make a plate of food, I'll go to my room, go to the bathroom, get a glass of water. I'll come back and it's completely finished.

If I'm on intense phone call, nothing like pacing around, I'll smack it piss.

Me off so much.

What's crazy too is she had that in the holster when it was ready for that.

She did have that in the holster.

Like I'll get like shitty food every once in a while. Like stuff that's bad for you and I'll find it and I'll still eat it.

That's what we got unconscious eating. Dude, the more intense the phone call, the less I like ever get like.

If you get like bad food or say you get fast food or something do. Are you ever trying to be sneaky about it. Like, I don't want my dad to see this.

Oh, I don't. I don't eat her fast food.

It's like occasional. I had my. Okay. So we did a cross country road trip to Colorado. We took our Tahoe and we drove it out to our house in Colorado. And I had never had a Big Mac before, so I was like, I want to try it. And I convinced her. I don't know how I did it.

I convinced I was not on this trip, for the record, not there.

It was just us, but I had a Big Mac and I had to sit in the same position for like 45 minutes because if I moved, I felt like I was gonna explode. Like, it was the most.

I'm like, that's what you get.

Because it's gotten to the point where, like, we've eaten so healthy that, like, eating shitty food will make you, like, it'll make you like a hangover.

Yeah.

Like, you'll wake up in the morning, you'll feel terrible. Like, I can't eat anything like that.

The whole fam meats really good, though.

Like, I would have ice cream. I want it. And like, it's like the brownie bits and the ice cream, like the Ben and Jerry's he'll go through and he'll dig out the brownies, he'll dig out the cookies.

Oh, no, I won't. I won't eat the ice cream. But I'll try to find the little piece of dark chocolate and I'll. I'll isolate the one piece of dark chocolate. Because I know I'm like, the surrounding environment's not good. But I will take a fork and surgically remove a piece of dark chocolate.

As a fact.

Do you want to tell them about your experience in snagging my dad's cookies?

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, that's. That could be the end of my career. We could go for it.

Yeah.

We were into. We were in Colorado a few years ago, and my. So my son went to a dispensary and. And got these gummies. And we were going to do this big long hike six miles up to this lake called Lampier Lake. And he's like, dad, you got to take one of these gummies. Going to. Going to help on the hike. I'm like, I see no connection between that gummy and my ability to perform on the hike. And I said, you know, but for a sun bonding moment, hit me with one of those gummies. So I take one and I think the whole thing about, like, gummies is like, they don't. They don't hit you right away. And I do know. No drugs. None for the record. And you can verify that. Except for zero. Except for this time. So it's like I'm like 40 minutes in. I'm like, I don't feel a damn thing. So I was like, we're walking out the door. So I took another one.

First off, timeout, quick timeout. That is the number we all get to that.

Dude. So.

So brownies are hitting me. Give me another.

Yeah, Wait a minute. It gets actually worse. So we're going. So we're. The whole family's in the car, and we're. We're going to the spot at Lanfear to hike. And she's like, let's stop by my dad's house. So I forget. We were picking up. We go into her dad's cabin, and he's got these chocolate squares laid out on the counter, right? And I didn't realize that these were. These are also infused THC I have never had. Well, now I have. And so I saw the. The chocolate square, and I smashed the chocolate square. And I get back in the car. So now I'm two gummies deep in a chocolate square. And all of a sudden, we're going down the. We're going down the highway, and I start to get flush. Like, my whole body gets flush. I feel this rush coming up my. My. My neck. And then I get overwhelmingly sleepy, and I start trying to convince everybody in the car to go back home and take a nap. And Sage is like, is wrong with you? Like, you're. You're like Mr. Energizer Bunny. Like, you wanted to go on this hike. I got the whole family in the car. I'm like, yeah, I don't mind if we just bang a U turn and just take a nap. And by the time we got there, I couldn't feel my face. I could. My. My hands felt like they were blown up like balloons. And. And. And I started playing it back in my mind. I'm like, maybe it was the two gummies. I didn't even know that her dad's chocolate had the. What did it have? Yeah, then you left us with all the supplies.

And he just did it as fast as possible. Finished the hike, left us with.

Then the paranoia hit.

No supplies, no water.

I had all the supplies in a backpack. And I got paranoid that I wasn't going to make it to the lake in time, so I took off running off the mountain. Family, I left down nobody. So I got up, they stripped all my clothes off. I jumped in the lake. And I'm swimming around this like 45 Degree Lake and I can hear her screaming. F bombs coming up the. The mountain. I'm like, what's the matter, babe? I'm like, I'm just here treading water.

Feel this water.

Yeah, it is beautiful.

Six mile hike.

It was no joke, but I felt like a bear was chasing. You know, you're like running and you can kind of feel something's like about to grab you. I wouldn't even look behind me because I was like, it's almost got my back. The. Paul just got.

You're.

Yeah.

You're in the basement.

So I sprinted up this.

Put the lights off. The girl says, your room. He thinks I was chasing you the.

Whole entire time I sprinted up. So that was the one and only time that I did that. I was like, man, I don't need to do that.

When did you end up learning about her dad's cookies?

Oh, like weeks later. Yeah. Dad randomly, like, called him out on it and he's like, yeah. How did it feel when you. When you snagged one of my cookies? Cookies? And Carrie was like.

And I was like, oh, my God.

He's like, yeah.

He's like, dude, those were. You were supposed to take a quarter of that. He's like, you were supposed to break that into corners. I'm like, I wasn't supposed to touch it at all.

Yeah.

That's the only time you've ever had marijuana.

That's. Yeah.

That.

Well, college. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was like a 25 year. Yeah, it was like a 25, 30 year gap. And then that time all of a sudden, all at once, and it hit me.

Gotta get to the lake.

Yeah. That was the only thing. I was like, I gotta get to the lake. I gotta get to the lake. And I mean, I was like, something is. Something is like about to grab me. And I had. I. I don't get. I've never had anxiety or paranoia. I had anxiety. I was paranoid. I thought something was chasing me up the mountain. I was completely by myself. And I did.

Your gut health's in check.

So that. Exactly.

Yeah.

Got to the lake, people my underwear.

Yeah.

And jumped in the lake. And then I started to feel normal. But, dude, she was. You were. You were quite upset that time. Quite pissed off. Yeah.

And it's like, yeah, you're paranoid and you have anxiety and then your wife's mad at you, but you can't really connect the dots. Why she's mad at you.

Yeah.

So that paranoid anxiety is a little bit higher.

I was like, dude, I wanted to take attention right now. Like, I'm.

I'm.

I'm in the middle of a lake, so a bear doesn't get me. Yeah. And now I'm just. Now I'm thinking bears actually swim. So now I'm paranoid in the middle of a lake, you know, so get your ass. Yeah, it was. That was awesome. That was a tough one. That was a tough one. Enough. Can we cut their mic off?

As a, as a family, like, when did you truly buy into basically becoming a superhuman? Like, of all of all these things? And was there a conversation that took place, like, hey, this is how we're now going to handle our entire lives?

Because you were saying you were life insurance, right?

Yeah, it was life insurance. I was a. I was a mortality expert. So we were researching, you know, ways to predict mortality to the month. And I get a lot of flack for that, but it's truly some of the most accurate science. Science in the world because Dana will.

Do his stuff in a big. I was gonna die 10.4 years.

Yeah. You know, Dana was really interesting because Dana had no interest. The only thing Dana wanted to meet with me for was for me to tell him how many more years he had left on Earth. That was it. He's like, I'm a sick. I was like, I don't do that anymore. That's what I used to do. He's like, I'm literally his exact worst. He goes, I'm a sick. I want to know exactly how long I have left on Earth. Like, all right, well, I need this blood test, this gene test, and. And so I did it. And when I got. We were asleep one night, and at 1:00 clock in the morning, the lab calls us LabCorp. So my name was on the call sheet for the lab for. For our clinic. So they run the blood work through the night. If they find a life threatening alert, they call the person on the account. So it's one o' clock in the morning. I see Lab Corp. Lab Corp. So I answer it. And they were like, hey, we have a life threatening alert on. On a client. And I was like, by the way, we. Dana's put all this in the public domain, so. And I was like, okay, what's the last name of the client? And they were like, white. And I was like, dana White? Yeah, Dana White. And I was like, whoa, what's the alert? And it was like a triglyceride alert. His blood fat was so high, his triglycerides were 800. Which, if you know anything about blood work, I mean, having fasted triglycerides at 800 is, is life threatening. I mean that's, you basically have a higher percentage of fat in your blood than blood. You know, his blood was solid at room temperature. So I got off the phone with LabCorp and I booked my flight to Vegas leaving at 6:50 in the morning. I was in Miami, so I would be in Vegas by 9 o' clock in the morning. I was supposed to meet with Dana on a phone call at 10am we were just going to do a phone call. When I landed In Vegas at 9, his assistant calls me Nicole and is like, hey, you know, we're Dana, we're going to do this call with Dana, 10 o'.

Clock.

And I'm like, oh no, I'm in Vegas. And she was like, oh no, that wasn't necessary. We can just do it by phone. I go, oh no, no, we need, we need to meet. And she goes, oh, is there something serious? And I was like, yeah, it's, it's pretty serious. And she's like, is there anything I can tell Dana? And I was like, you know, sadly I can't tell you unless Dana gives me permission to tell you, but I need to see Dana at 10 o' clock in the morning. And then, and so Dana comes into the office and he's like, dude, well, what's up? And instead of going through his blood work, I just, I, I, I didn't talk to him about a single level in his blood. I just described exactly what it was like to be inside of his body 24 hours a day. And it freaked him out to such a level that he said, I'll do whatever you say for 10 weeks. Because I said, I can see that you wake up sore and achy in the morning, like you had a workout the night before when you had, you haven't. And I bet it really bothers you when you get out of bed first thing in the morning and, and soles your feet and your ankles are so tender that you can barely walk to the bathroom, take your first piss. I said, dana, I can see that a few nights a week, you're, you're waking up so hypoxic, I wouldn't be surprised if you're vomiting at night. And he was like, wow, dude, who told you that? And then I said, you know, it's, I bet one of the things that bothers you most is that it's, it's painful for you to bend out down and, and tie your own shoes. And dude, he took an open we. Have you ever been in his office? He has that big conference table right when you walk into the left hand side. He took an open palm and slammed it down on the, on the table and jumped up. He goes, who the told you that? He's like, I've even told my wife that. How do you know that it's painful for me to tie my shoes? And I'm like, dude, your triglycerides are so high. It's called claudication. You're. You're. When you bend down and put pressure into your legs, all that fats plug in the end of your arteries. It's irritating the nerves. It feels like the skin's going to peel off your leg. He's like, nobody. I haven't told anybody that. And so I just described what it was like to be inside of his body. I didn't say, oh, your C reactive protein is this. And your hemoglobin A1C is that. Because you'll just lose them. And, and I said, look, the good news is if I can see the symptom in your labs, we can fix it. And he was like, how long is it going to take? And I'm like, 10 weeks. And dude, six weeks in, he calls me freaking out. He's like, I feel amazing, dude. My legs don't hurt anymore. I slept the first night without a CPAP machine. I remember the first time he called me. He was like, dude, something, something's wrong, Gary. And I'm like, what's up? He said, the last three days, four days, I'm going into the gym, he's like, every time I step on the treadmill or pick up a weight, I immediately get lightheaded. And I was like, oh, my God, dude, that's a great sign. And he's like, what are you talking about? And I said, you know, you're on blood pressure medication, so when your blood pressure is high, high, your blood pressure will. Your medication will make you normal. When your blood pressure is normal, your medication will make you low. It'll make you hyposystolic. It will make you lightheaded. So this is, this is the point where I need to get, get with the doctors and start titrating you off of your, your blood pressure medication, because I'm not a doctor, I'm not licensed practice medicine. So I brought, I brought in our, our doc and she put him on a titration protocol to start titrating down on his meds. And so as his blood pressure began to drop stop, we started lowering his medication, eventually down to zero. His blood pressure to this day is still normal. He was on three BP meds.

That's crazy.

To try to.

You know, we first met him and.

He was on CPAP and.

Yeah, we met him in February of 22. Was it 22? Yes, in Arizona. And he was like, you were the main topic of conversation.

Really?

He was showing us shirtless pics. He was showing. Yeah, it was you. It was you and Harley Davidsons.

Really?

Yeah. That was basically the, the first conversation we ever had with Dana.

Yeah.

Is all that how jacked up he was about living life all of a sudden?

Yeah. It's awesome.

It is, it's, it's incredible.

Yeah.

I mean, if you have those kind of results with Dana Jelly Roll, how much of a turnaround it's been incredible to see.

Yeah. That was amazing.

It's like he's almost like watching him at SummerSlam being able to even do some of the things that you knew, like a year ago he wouldn't even be able to.

Yeah.

To accomplish.

Incredible. He was. He sent me actually. You found it? My daughter found it. I don't know, I should say this on podcast, but I actually didn't know who he was when he text me. And I mean, I, I, I, I knew his music, but I didn't connect it to Jelly Roll. I knew God, I'd need a favor. I mean, I knew his music. I'm a big fan of country music. I was actually a fan of his music. I didn't connect him to, to this guy. And I, I got a DM one day from him, and he said, do you work with fat people? And, and so, and so she comes in and she's like, oh, my God, Jelly Roll, you know, sent you dm. I'm like, who's Jelly Roll? And she's like, he's like the biggest country music sensation right now. He's. And she started playing the songs. I'm like, oh, I know that song. I know that song. So we went out, we flew out and met him in la and we flew on his jet to Vegas. So I had him do some blood work, had him do the gene testing. We got a. On the plane with him in, in la and we just flew private to Vegas. And I did the whole, the lab review for him on the, on the plane. And, and I said the same thing to him that I said to Dana, you know, in 10 weeks, you're just not going to recognize yourself. And to his credit, he did exactly everything I said to a T for that first 10 weeks. He started cold plunging. We, we made him get in 10,000 steps a day. He actually participated in my 10,000 step challenge. He set a great goal for himself to run a, run a 5K. Now he's worked with other people like Brigham Bueller and, and you know, other folks other than myself that are partially responsible for this. But when we started with him, I, I'll never forget that flight because remember, he started, it was actually very sad because I could see this guy's heart. Like he's a good human. Like he, his just his value system, the love that he has for the music, how grateful he is for the opportunity, you know, given his past and you know, his, his, his record and incarceration and everything. Like he's, he's one of the most grateful, humble human beings I've ever met. But he could barely fit in this private airplane seat that we were in. And he started talking to us, describing what it was like to go through a day in the life of just being him at his work. Weight. And I'd never had somebody that weighed 500 pounds ever described to me what it was like to be trapped in a 500 pound body. And like he would say, I, I have to sleep on my side and wedge myself in with pillows because if I roll on my back at night, I'll, I'll suffocate, I'll vomit, you know, because you got £250 just, just laying on your lungs. And he was like, you know, I never turned the radio down in the car because when I pull up to a stoplight and I, and I, I, and I stop at a stoplight, I can hear myself wheezing. So I'll just turn the radio up to, to, to bury the sound of my own breath wheezing. And just the struggle watching him just get in and out of an airplane and up and down from a seat and like he, he, he went through the, the struggle of what it was like. And he said every morning that he would wake up. He said as soon as he would wake up, he would thank God that he didn't die that night because he, he felt like he was going to die every night he went, went to sleep. And just listening to him describe that 45 minutes to get out of bed and, and, and he was, he was broken from that standpoint. Like he is in a place. He's like, I'm ready to commit to changing this because God's given me this opportunity to have my music serve the world and like, I feel like I'm going to die.

So.

So he was one of the, I mean, we've worked with a lot of, a lot of folks, but you know, he, he is one of the most genuine human beings and to see that transition right there is just, is just amazing, man. No, no better human being for that day. That's probably added 26 or 28 years to his life too. Just, you know, you think about every pound of body fat that you have, add six extra miles of blood vessel to your body. Body. 10 pounds of fat is 60 miles of blood vessel. 100 pounds is 600 miles. So when you're 250 or 300 pounds overweight, the unnecessary distance that your heart has to pump blood to service tissue that is not useful to you is amazing. By getting all of that back now, I mean, it's incredible, incredible, incredible for him.

What?

And the dude's like cold plunge maniac. He did the 5k. He walked his first 5k. It's awesome.

It'd be awesome when he gets his goal to have you and him on together. Talk about the journey.

Yeah, no, we've, we've missed a few times. We've set it up for a couple of con A concerts that he was going to do. I, I actually did the great world race with my son. It was like seven marathons, seven continents in seven days. And I, and I got back from that and I was so broken. I was so broke and I got a really bad stomach virus from like Istanbul or something. I forget either. Istanbul, Cartagena. I picked up a really, really bad stomach virus. So I was supposed to do the pod with Jelly at his conference and, or his concert and had to cancel. But we're gonna do it again.

Yeah.

Catch up. I can't wait for him to tell that story again. Can't wait.

1 I'm looking at like circling back on the, the axis. Like, if longevity becomes widely available, which I feel like it's starting to make a push to be widely available, how do we get it to being for everyone versus just the privilege and for the wealthy?

Well, first of all, like I said, when, when the powers to be, Health and Human Services, nih, cdc, fda, when they realize that it is less expensive to prevent chronic disease than it is to treat it, when it becomes a, when it becomes a, a fiscal advantage to be in service to humanity and not in service to the corporations that fund their campaigns, you're going to see this the lifestyle medicine shift to the masses.

You feel like it's going to be, you feel like it's going to be more of like dropping. Showing them the expense and cost of it being down. But, but also on the other side the profitability of people being a more imagine if we. Your life. I feel like if you, I could hear it being like you drop the expenses down but I wonder the profits that it would completely cut out because people are now healthy and not needing to go to the doctor because they're working with, you know, they're working with places that only have, you know, several hundred clients or a couple hundred clients probably like yourself. You probably work with like a handful of people and then you probably have to scale a little bit or work with other doctors. Doctors compared to when you're going into a regular hospital or a regular doctor, they're working with thousands of clients. So you're only going to get that 15 minute attention.

7.

I feel like when you cut, you'll cut the expenses. But it's like I wonder the investor or the capitalism mind.

Yeah.

Sees it's like, well how is this going to cut? You know, if people aren't sick anymore then how are we going to continue to make money?

Well they can continue to make money, but you know what's really interesting is, you know, the way that a lot of other, other socialized healthcare systems work is they're incentivized to keep the population healthy because it's too expensive for them to be sick. We have the polar opposite here. We have a sick care system because we have a sick profit system. You know, so the majority of the money is in the medicine. Right. So for example, if I can get you to subscribe to the fact that you have a genetically inherited disease, I can get you subscribed to a lifetime of medication. And so we develop a lot of these fallacies like, like, you know, if there's something in medicine called idiopathic, okay, idiopathic means of unknown origin, meaning we have no idea what's causing this. 85% of all high blood pressure is idiopathic. It's of unknown origin. We don't know what's causing it. You know what we do? We medicate the heart anyway for crime. We can't prove that it's committing. There is zero causal link between LDL cholesterol and cardiovascular disease. LDL cholesterol on its own is not a marker for cardiovascular disease. Yet we use it to put 65% of the population on statin medication. So we, we've we've developed a lot of these fallacies that say, okay, well, if I can't tell you why you have high blood pressure, let's look at your family history. Oh, look at this. Your father's brother had high blood pressure, and your mom's brother had. Had high blood pressure. You have genetically inherited hypertension. You have familial hypertension. If you took it a step further and, and looked your doctor in the eye and said, okay, well, what gene did I inherit from my uncle that gave me this condition? Their face would go blank. Right? Because that gene doesn't exist. And if that gene doesn't exist, that means that that condition does not exist. We don't pass disease very rarely from generation to generation. We pass deficiency from generation to generation. We have a pandemic of nutrient, vitamin, and mineral deficiencies in this country. We do not have a pandemic of chronic disease. If you actually looked at a soil lineage study done in 1945 versus one done in 2023, you would see that the soil is just so depleted of nutrients, raw materials, minerals, right? And that now, you know, a leaf of spinach then is not like a leaf of spinach now. And, and so as we shift to actually better agricultural practices, you're going to see this trickle into the masses. As we realize that physical education, things like sleep, things like connection, things like sense of purpose, community, whole food, diets, you're going to see that this actually, and I believe that Maha is going to lead this charge, you're going to see that this shift becomes the most profitable thing for our country. And eventually it will be unpopular for politicians to be on the side of this movement. You know, like, if you look at some of the big movements of our time, like the MeToo movement, for example, that snowball started rolling downhill and it got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. So for you to be against that movement, you had to be almost pro domestic violence. Well, I mean, to be against the Maha movement, you're eventually going to have to be pro childhood cancer, pro morbid obesity, pro chronic disease. I mean, the, the, the light is being shed, shed on the corruption in our food supply, the corruption in our nutritional research, and eventually it will be more profitable for these companies to conform, which is a good thing, than it will be for them to resist it. And so, you know, I get attacked in the media for it all the time. I get called a pseudoscientist. You know, I'm not a doctor. I never pretend to be a doctor. I'm, I'm Very consistent about saying, I'm not a doctor and not licensed practice medicine. But they. What they call me the other day, a chemo fight phobe. I kind of like that. You know, if you're afraid of chemicals, I want to get. I want to get a shirt that says chemophobe. Yeah, we should all be chemophobic. But. But so. So to answer your question, you know, and I say this all the time, like it's. It's the secret to longevity. Look at the people that are living the longest. Like, we have data, right? And, you know, if you went to Sardinia, for example, where one of the longest life expectancies on Earth, you wouldn't find. You'd find that they're the highest carbohydrate consumption in the world, longest life expectancy. Then you go to Singapore, one of the highest meat consumptions in the world. But very long life expectancy. You go to the Mediterranean and. And they eat very high fatty fish and. And lots of oils. Very long life expectancy. Then the French are the whole model up because they're smoking cigarettes and drinking wine and eating cheese, and they're living forever. The continuity between all of that is the absence of processed food. It's a whole food back.

Yeah, Whole foods, cigarettes back. I see Marble reds, Cowboy co.

I actually grew up on a tobacco farm. Believe it or not. I cut tobacco.

I did hear that. I don't know, podcast I was listening to, but I remember hearing you talking about the. How labor intensive it is.

It's. It is the most intense labor you'll ever do in your life. If anybody listening to this has ever cut tobacco, they will tell you. I've never had a job harder than cutting tobacco because you cut it in August. I lived in Southern Maryland. Upper Marlboro. Yeah, Marlboro country. Remember the Marlborough, man? Yeah. So. So what these guys do. Yeah. Basically what you do is imagine just a field. See that little machete?

Yeah.

Yeah. That's exactly how you cut tobacco. You push it over and you cut it. So you walk like that for miles through these fields, and you push it up.

Just watch.

Oh, dude, you want to talk about low back?

Oh.

Then you put those. Then you. Then you put those plants on a stick, five or six of them to a stick, and it weighs like, 60 pounds. And you got to climb them up in these barns that are like five, six stories tall. They were not built by OSHA certified engineers either. Like, this is like a. Dude. It's like two bottles so high. Because you. You hang them in these barns. You have these tobacco barns, and they're five or six stories high. They got tin roofs. They got these little slats you open on the side to allow the tobacco to breathe because the tobacco is green and it's gummy, you know, and you got to dry it all out. And so you hang these sticks at different. Yeah, there is. See those little rafters? Okay. You climb up in those rafters and you straddle them like this. And you grab these sticks between your legs and you pass it to the guy above you, and then he passes it up and he passes it up. And your head is against this tin ceiling. See that? That's exactly what it's like, dude. Oh, God. It's bringing back horrible memories. Horrible. My parents were abusive. Captain John Brea. Like, how did you. Let me do this, dad. Yeah, yeah. So see how high they are? Okay. The guy up the top, okay, that's, that, that's the, that's the youngest guy that's getting paid the least. And he's standing next to that, that hot tin roof in August, it's like 130. That thing weighs 65 pounds. He's carrying right there. And they just see how jacked he is.

Yeah.

Just from hanging tobacco.

So.

Yeah.

So what you're saying is bring it.

Back, dude, I'm telling you, that's, I think that's where I got my work ethic. I, I, I cut tobacco. Just growing up. I mean, I was making $5 an hour when I was 13, 14 years old, which back then was great to hear it.

Back on the Maha thing, we were talking about how you think Maha is going to prove it to where it's going to show that, hey, we, it's more profitable to actually keep people healthy than the extra.

Opposite from not taking down.

Yeah. You don't have to. Keeping everybody accountable.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't have to take down pharma. You just have to hold them accountable. I mean, you think about what happened during the last pandemic, right? I mean, the this and I don't care what side of vaccines, vaccine aisle you're on, but when we, when we developed, when the MRNA vaccine was developed, this was a completely untested, novel theory. Right. Most of the time we make vaccines. First of all, vaccine is supposed to prevent the infection and prevent the spread. Okay. Forget the fact that you would have less severe symptoms. It prevents the infection and the spread. And so basically a virus is not a living thing thing. A virus is an envelope that contains DNA inside of it. So what we used to do is we would take the envelope and we would take the DNA out. Let's say polio, okay? You take the polio envelope and you take the DNA out. Now you have what's called an attenuated virus. I can put this polio virus in your body because it doesn't have DNA and it can't infect you, but it can light your immune system up. That's a true vaccine, right? I expose your. Your immune system to this. It's called nucleocapsid protein. And. And your immune system lights up. But this, this, this virus doesn't have any DNA, so it can't give you polio. So then, you know, big pharma comes along and said, hey, we can actually make these out of mRNA. Well, most people don't know what MRNA is, but if you actually take a cell and you go through the cell wall and you're to find the nucleus of the. The cell inside the nucleus of your cell, 32 trillion cells is the DNA. The DNA is the boss. It's the CEO. The DNA is running the show. It has two roles. One is called replication. It makes an exact copy of itself. But the other one is called transcription. So if I was the DNA sitting in a nucleus, I would be writing you guys messages telling you what to do. You go make this protein, you throw this nutrient out, you bring this nutrient in. Okay? Those messages are called mRNA, okay? So my notepad that sends you an instruction is MRNA messenger, ribonucleic acid. So when I give you that message, if it was a normal circumstance inside of a cell, you would go conduct that task. And when you got to back to your desk, the message would be gone organically. If I said, go make the spike protein, and you got back to your desk. Desk, the message is degraded. What Pfizer did was they took a synthetic copy of the notepad. They took a synthetic copy of the DNA's message. The only problem they didn't realize was that message never degrades. So now I say, go make the spike protein. You get back to your desk, go make the spike protein, and you come back to your desk, go make the spike protein. Right, Go make the spike directing that message. The MRNA never degraded, so the message continued to tell. Tell this. This cell to make this thing called a spike protein. Now, what happens is the spike protein then goes into the blood. Now you have to start dividing the populace into categories. Number one, can you clear the spike protein? Great. You have no complications from the vaccine. Can you marginally clear the spike protein? Okay. You have marginal symptoms, weight gain, water retention, brain fog, muscle aches, poor focus, poor concentration, hormone disruption that you can live with. Then a third of the population has very severe consequences. They can't clear the spike protein at all. Turbo cancers, trigeminal neuralgias, myocarditis, pericarditis, the people that died the fastest. Because again, it goes back to the theory that the biggest fallacy in modern medicine is that what goes into my body and your body and your body is all treated exactly the same same way. Nothing could be further from the truth. Let's say the three of us ate the exact same amount of mercury laden tuna fish every single day. Same amount of mercury in the same amount of tuna fish every day for 90 days. I might have deadly mercury poisoning. You have some joint pain and some brain fog, you got nothing, no trace of mercury in your system at all. Because we all methylate and rid these things differently. So the fucked up thing if you will, about this MRNA vaccine is we were like okay, we've never done this in human, humans. We have no safety trials, we have no clinical data proving effectiveness. Yeah, let's, let's rip it, let's give it a run, let's and let's mandate it. And then we put this gene experiment in and, and we call it a gene experiment because it turns activities in the cells on that we don't know if it's ever going to turn off. Right. So if you're concerned about that, you can do spike protein detox. Peter McCullough has one. These are cheap nattokinase and other over the counter things that you can get that will clear the spike protein from, from your body. But I don't know how we got down that road. But was I answering the question or was I just on. He'll tell you.

You started bringing up vaccines. I brought up the, the MAHA thing.

Oh. And that got me down.

The vaccine got you the vaccine world. Which is, which is great in the way you tell it. Anybody can understand.

Yeah.

How it all works. Which is awesome. But you're looking at the transition of how America is trying to fix you to where America is constantly trying to help you to where you don't have to necessarily be fixed. What is the timetable in your mind that America or MAHA or these, these movements you're trying to make, you're showing actual data to be like see, look how far this is down. Look how these auto immune diseases down. Like when do you think you'll be able to have a leg to stand on as far as data goes.

Well, first, already the data is already coming in. I mean, one of the things that was released in what's called the MAHA report was what Bobby Kennedy wanted to do was look at, look at what are the links to the skyrocketing rates of autism, what are the links to the skyrocketing rates of, of obesity. And what's really cool about the approach that's being taken is that we're not going to say we're banning all of these substances for no reason. What we're doing is we're going to say we're going to look at the data and we're going to force certain things like vaccines to go through the same level of rigorous testing that other pharmaceuticals do. We're not going to give them an end around. You're not going to take the vaccine schedule 8 in the 1970s to 79 vaccines in 2025 and tell us that in that span of time we needed 71 more vaccines in order to protect the population, especially when the majority of these have not gone through intense, rigorous safety trials. So that's the first thing is you're going to see that a lot of these, a lot of these things are going to collapse under their own weight because they don't have the right amount of safety data. The second thing that you're going to see is real intentional research on highly processed food ingredients because we cannot sustain the rates of autism, which have gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 32 children. I mean, think about that for a minute. 1 in 10,000 to 1in 32. When, when I graduated high school, first of all, I had never, never even heard of autism. I don't, I don't know an autistic. I didn't know an autistic child. I didn't even know somebody who knew somebody with autism. She's 17 years old. She knows 10 kids with autism. I mean, that's, that is really scary, right? It's sort of become semi the norm. So when we reach tipping points like this and you have organizations like End Chronic Disease and Moms Across America and the MAHA Action, this movement is becoming such a boulder rolling downhill that you are seeing politicians that do not want to stand in front of it and are saying, hey, you know what? I am not going to vote for House Appropriations Bill 453 because I'm not going to protect chemical companies at the expense of residents of my state. And, and that is where you're going to see the fastest shift when it becomes politically unpopular to stand with chronic disease and against, you know, fixing, fixing the problem again. You know, think about the fact that there are bills working their way through Congress like House Appropriations Bill 453 where these chemical companies are, are right on the verge of getting broad sweeping immunity to be allowed to sell chemicals they can't sell in their own country to our country. Poison the population en masse and have no responsibility. You start cutting those things off and then it becomes more profitable for food pharma and ag to actually do the right thing. That's when you will see massive shifts in, in, in the status of healthcare in America.

Do you since taking on this, this massive goal and you realize you're affecting so many wallets, people that are so big everywhere. Has there ever been a concern for your own safety doing the things that you're doing?

No question, no question. We talk about it all the time. You know, I'm, I'm in, in the process now of potentially getting full time security which I never thought I would ever have to think about that. Interestingly, you know, I, when, when we do digging on, on some of the well funded source attacks, there were, there were hundreds of physicians that signed a petition to me permanently banned from social media mainly because they'll say I'm practicing medicine without a license. I actually am proud of the fact and I'm very, I disclose the fact I am not a physician. I'm not licensed to practice medicine. I'm not trying to give you medical advice. What I'm trying to do is distill the big data data and give it to you in a way that you can, you can understand it. And what's happening now for the first time in our nation's history is the, the convergence of artificial intelligence, big data and early detection is about to circumvent the entire medical system. We're going to upend our modern medical system in a way that's going to be catastrophic for certain players in the system. And the reason why that's going to happen is, is because the big data doesn't lie, right? And now we have all of the data and we're starting to publicize the statistics. And you know that 74% of our nutritional research is funded by food and pharma. I mean Bobby Kennedy wiped out the hierarchy at the fda, wiped out the hierarchy at the cdc. And we're putting people in there that have a spiritual intention to help humanity. Humanity. You know, it's as much of a spiritual revolution as it is, you know, a financial revolution. Like it just has to come to an end. And I think finally people are starting to stand up to this. Every single person listening to this podcast right now has either had or knows somebody very close to them that has cancer. If you ask that same question 50 years ago, it would be rare. Oh, yeah. You know, somebody I went to high school with, I heard that his mom had breast cancer. Like, right now, if you said, how many people do you know that have breast cancer? How many people in your family have suffered from cancer? I mean, it's the, the proximity of these conditions and diseases is right in our faces. And people have had it, right? And, and the sad thing is, you know, you're walking down the food aisle and, you know, this is in, in, in, in your grocery stores. Like, I don't have an issue with c oils, for example. Just, just pick on seed oils for a minute. It's, it's not the plant. It's the distance from the plant to the table, right? When you take a canola plant, also called a rapeseed, and you put it in a commercial press and it comes out gummy, then you de gum it with hexane, which is a known neurotoxin. Then you take that neurotoxic de gummed oil and you heat it to 405 degrees. Well, now you turn it rancid, it's putrefied, it stinks. So now you deodorize it with sodium hydroxy oxide. That's a known carcinogen. And then you take a carcinogen and a neurotoxin, you odor, deodorize and degum the oil. And then before you bottle it, you bleach it and then you put it on the shelf, right? You ever walk down like, the, the food aisle and you see like, Wesson oils or the, or the vegetable oils, and they're all exactly the same color. It's that beautiful, perfect yellow. And then there's American Heart association, one of the most corrupt in the country, putting a heart healthy label on that. Why? Because they're funded by big Food. And so that whole system is being dismantled right now. You know, and it's going to be, it's going to be American first. It's, it's going to be, you know, our children first. And, and at some point, even, even the politicians that want to take the other side of this equation are realizing, man, I have, I have children. I've got, I got people in my family suffering from these diseases. You know, I'm trying to raise children. The fact that my kids have a shorter life expectancy than I do. Statistically speaking speaking, that's not what I want to be my, my legacy.

What does it look like for you 20, 30 years from now? You talk about all the statistics that America is in and they're doing, we're doing awful, whatever the main statistics are. How does America look to you in 20, 30 years? Is it, can it be completely reversed?

It can absolutely be completely reversed. You know, we can become the agricultural powerhouse that we were 50 years ago, meaning that we can actually, you can, you can regenerative sustainable farming. We're, we're actually going to, you know, dispel a lot of the myth. Calf farts are leading to, you know, greenhouse emissions. You're seeing the, the food pyramid be rewritten now from, BY People like Dr. Mark Hyman. I mean serious, you know, licensed medical professionals have dedicated their lives to nutrition. So I think in, in 10 years our modern educational system and food system will, has the chance to be repaired to the point where you will see a massive reversal in chronic, in chronic disease. And a lot of it has to do with the success of the MAHA mission because this is legislative. These are legislative initiatives going on at the state level, going after the SNAP program, trying to get petroleum based food dyes out of this food system, trying to get high sugary sodas out of those systems, looking at herbicides, insecticides and pesticides and like, hey, what, what kind of issues to these cause when we take these micro poisons into our bodies and our bodies can't get rid of them. And I think you're going to see the shift from major legislative initiatives to supporting our farmers and, and the soil and the food instead of these massive industrial farms. You know, Bobby Kennedy is now like back to farmers markets and trying to get, you know, the nutrition and the health of the soil fixed because really the health of humanity goes back to the health of the soil. And so I'm very bullish on the Future of America 10, 15, 20 years from now. I think that we can reverse the pandemic of chronic disease. I think that we can get real data on the truth around vaccines and whether or not we should believe more in what man makes us than God gave us. If you look at what really puts put the pandemic into recession, it was herd immunity from natural infection. It wasn't mass vaccination. The mass vaccination failed because it needed mass repetitive boosting. So it wasn't the vaccination in the, and the repetitive boosting. It was the fact that people's immune system Kicked in and wiped this virus out. It's called your herd immunity. But we didn't reach there from chemicals and synthetics. We reached that but because of natural, natural infection. So I'm very bullish on it over the next 20 years.

How long do you want to live?

You know, right now I'm, I'm, I'm pushing 120, you know, by my glycan age score. So. And, and I'm not psycho about it. I mean you heard about some of my misgivings. I never go off the blizzard bandwagon, but just want to play that out there. But, but you know, I think it's what's, what is probable, not what's possible. I think, you know, because I've, I've been blessed to discover like I would call it the true meaning of life. You know, how it's really about connection and about community and about you know, like a shared sense of purpose. The Gary Breck of 10 or 15 years ago is not the Gary Breck of that sit in front of you today. You know, it's very narcissistic, very myopic, very. I was oriented around trying to be, you know, wealthy and I never became wealthy until I started focusing on other people's well being. And I'm starting to really understand, you know, how the universe works and starting to, you know, value my, my family and opportunities that I've had in different ways. And I think that's what's, that's what's going on to extend my life. You know, it's not the red light bed or the hydrogen nanobath. It's just going to be that, that basic connection, you know, back with my, you know, back with my family. Whole food diet, focusing on my sleep, getting regular exercise. As you can see, I'm not the most jacked person in the world, but I work out for longevity.

See the flex?

Yeah, yeah.

See the flex.

So, so you know, I'm, I'm, I'm excited. But right now I'm. Based on my glycine age, I, I should hit 120. Okay, I'd like to see it maybe go to 140.

140 solid.

140 solid.

Like 92.

92. That's such an odd number. Dude.

I, I don't mind that. It's, it's like if I fix your.

Back pain, you might want to live a lot longer.

But then I think to myself like say, say I was set to live to 120. I feel like I'm just Going to outlive everybody that I've loved, and I watched them die, which is a wild thought of it, but that's just like. Yeah. You know, you get to a certain age, and it's like, people just. People want to come and take photos of you for being 120.

Yeah, exactly.

You might not have your wife. You know what I mean? Like, if your kids, like, you're gonna be so old, like, what. What great grandkids are like, I get to go to my great grandpa's house. Yeah.

None of them. That's true.

Maybe there's like a. Maybe there's a rare few out there.

You know what? Actually, but it's.

I'm not gonna let my wife bail early.

My daughter. My daughter is named after my wife's grandfather. They get excited to go there. That's a great grandfather. That's a great grandpa. That's cool. He does these. He had. I think he got diagnosed with cancer when Taylor, my wife, was 13. She's 31 now.

Wow.

32. And he's still alive.

But grandpa win. He's. He's probably out there, and he probably wants you guys. He's probably wanting. Want you guys to come and visit more.

Yeah. Yeah.

So there's like, some isolation I know I'm getting, and he's a little, like, pessimistic.

I don't disagree with that at all.

Like, man, you just. You outlive everybody, bro.

I talk to my wife, and I'm like, you better die first.

Well, they say, you know, like, I better die. Broken heart syndrome. Loneliness is a real thing that we knew in the mortality space. For example, if you wanted to cut a human being's life expectancy in half at any age. And I mean, at any age, you put them in isolation. Like, isolation is the most detrimental thing to longevity. It's so, you know, and. And the. And the crazy thing is so many of us are getting isolated in plain sight because we think connection is through our phones. Yeah, right. Connection is what we're doing right now, what you guys do every day on the podcast. You know, connection is. It's. It's medicine. You know, again, the blue zones proved this too. You know, there was. There were no longevity high hotspots that. Where they didn't see people had a sense of community and purpose and, you know, and. And a connection. So, like, there. There's something to be said for what you're. You're saying, like, you know, you start losing your loved ones and your. And your soul mate and. And then your Will to go that long. But yeah. Anyway, on the chart, I'm making it to one.

That would be tough.

Yeah, I think. I think if sage leaves around 110.

Then maybe I'll check out something happens to Sage. I'm sorry you have to be the process of this conversation. But, like, she goes, you're 90. It's like, I got 30 more years.

Yeah. I might bail.

Head to Oregon, Switzerland. Do what needs to be done. Honey, I'll see you in a minute.

Yeah, we talk about that. Morbid, too. She's like, I don't want to do life without you. I'm like, I don't want to do life without you either. I saw this old let's pinky swear not to die.

I saw this.

Yeah.

I was on one of the app, one of the social apps. I just saw this really old couple. They seem like they. They were like, you know, around 100 years old, and the wife's just sitting there on the deathbed and holding his hand. It's like this whole couple spending their last moments together and stuff. And I'm just like, you just see how old they are and everything. It's like, man, you gotta enjoy the life that you have, right?

Amen.

You look at your wife like, we're gonna look like such different people when we're 90 to 100. And if you're losing your soul mate, like, right in front of you, it's like, what a ride that we had. One's got to watch the other one die.

Yeah.

Makes me a little sad.

Pray you're the one that goes first.

Yeah.

40 years from today, there's not a person listening to this podcast that would not give every single thing that they have at that moment to be back in this moment.

God.

Amen, bro.

And it's like, how do you consistently keep that perspective? Because it's so easy to walk off this bus and then go chase something new or be excited about whatever.

Yeah.

But at the end of the day, it's that exact video that I've seen is what they think. It's the death. The male's talking to the female. Right. He said, how do you see me? Can you hear me? She's like, laying there and you're just like, oh, my God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Broken syndrome is a very real thing. You know, we said in the mortality space, if. If you had a long duration marriage and one spouse passed away, you would dramatically shorten the life expectancy of the other spouse. Dramatically, man.

Like, you know, I'm sure you guys talk about It. Are you the oldest?

She's the youngest.

You're the youngest. But Rue, I have two. We have two. She's the oldest.

She's three.

She just went to school last week. And so, you know, wife and I were just laying in bed and you were just like, man, she just. They just grow, bro.

Yeah, dude, Sage and I just not give a.

About what we say.

And like, on the plane here, we had like, a good cry. We had a little private moment about just how. How excited that we are, how proud we are that our kids are on this journey with us. So. So my oldest daughter, my. My two sons and her all. All work with us full time. So we travel together, we see clients together. They're all in the business. My son has the h. The hydrogen tablet company. My daughter's launching a chemical free skincare line. She's launching chemical free clothing. And. And it's. So it's all under the umbrella, you know, and. And we work together, we travel together, we vacation together, and that is the greatest blessing in life. Like, we were just thinking we weren't fortunate for, like, the size of our audience or the monetary side of things, but just the fact that our adult children still love to hang out with us. They're all here in town. We're all in Nashville. My. My son's here. My daughter's here. She's here. And they're, they're. They're at their booths for their, you know, products for companies. They found it that they're launching in. In health space. And like, to me, that's the great, greatest measure of success.

Yeah.

You know, kids want to be around you.

Yeah.

You'll know it one day.

Then you start to get inspired by your kids.

I completely get what they're saying. Yeah, they're listening to me, young lady.

Yeah.

Telling you right now, young lady, you're gonna be sharing those private cries with your wife.

Yeah, we did, didn't we? It was just her and I on the plane. Man. Nice little. Nice little cry. Nice cry.

But you want hit the last question.

Yeah.

Yeah. What do you got?

Four tiers. Start acting actually come up.

I know. I get sentimental too. Crazy.

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Your podcasts Everybody would do anything, even Gary Brea for an ice cold Bud Light. But what would Gary Brea do anything for?

Wow. That's it.

You gonna tell him?

Can't say cancer, family.

Oh, give me an example.

What Josh. What Josh P. Was saying.

Josh had a great one. His was, was he would like to just be able to before, like, cameras existed, go back in time and be able to view anything he wanted. So, like dinosaurs being able to see, I don't know what.

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Yeah. The building of the pyramids.

Yeah, building.

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On.

Right. And because I feel like the. The message is designed to educate people, to inspire them to make a change. So what would I do anything for? I. I would do anything to amplify the message that gets people to make a transformation in their life, you know, positive transformation in their life. So if somebody listening to this podcast is like not going to give me a dime or log onto my Instagram or anything, but I'm going to take what he said, those four or five things, I'm going to start practicing those things in my daily life. That would be. Yeah, that would be something I'd do anything for to amplify that message.

Dude, I will tell you this. Obviously, I've known about you for a long time and then getting to meet you at the super bowl, we have that little change of the wind thing happening where you had that bed slip. Oh, that's how the possibilities.

Craziest sequence of events. Dude, we did super Bond over that.

He had this bet slip and he's like, I think my bed's dead. I was like, no, like these four things happen. That battle hit, but it was like.

They had to have a kickoff and then return, but not score.

Yeah, yeah. And then this happens, but basically he ends up hitting the bet. And I obviously knew about you. I was a fan before we even had that conversation. I get to meet your beautiful wife. We exchanged numbers. We've been talking for a long time.

Whoa. More on that later.

But we end up talking about, hey, we should come down to Miami. We should do all these things. It is honestly such a pleasure to have you on this bus and to have this conversation for two plus hours.

Whatever it's been, dude, thank you, man.

Because it has been awesome. It's awesome to see your movement. It's awesome to take these little pieces that you give us and implement into our lives because you actually get to see the changes. So thank you for taking the time and coming on this bus.

Dude, that is awesome, man. No, I appreciate it too.

Like, getting to sit with somebody two of your stature, like Taylor and I like going back to the accountability buddy stuff because, but just playing football and being so like indirectly influenced by a lot of things that you do and people like in your industry, like, getting to sit two on one and have these conversations is really cool.

No, this is amazing, man. And I, I, I love this. You and I've been talking about this for a long time.

Like, that's forever.

Yeah.

Like 10 weeks.

Every UFC fight we see each other at, we're like, we gotta do, we gotta do the pods, we'll do your paw, I'll do your. And then, you know, usually it's kind of just like a week goes by by and we get busy.

Yeah, yeah.

And you know what? Accountability, it's on me. I'm the one that always lets it fall through.

Yeah.

But I'm happy we finally.

Dude, I'm so pumped too, man. This has been great and I hope your audience gets a lot out of it. And I, I am going to from the day we start 10 weeks on the calendar. That's what I want on the calendar and it's going to be lifechanging for you.

Congreg.

We'll get back on and talk about it.

I'm going to go throw my back out tomorrow, so, you know, I'm gonna throw my back out so I can.

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No.

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