Alex Howard & Fleet Maull discuss overcoming a victim mindset & how pain can lead to transformation.

I was just reflecting as you were talking that I think it took me years after I recovered to really get past that trauma in of itself. You know it's like because you've got the trauma of physically being unwell but then you've got the trauma of effectively being rejected for the fact that you're physically unwell and things are a lot better now, you know, 20 something years later. There's a lot more cultural understanding and there's less isolation because the Internet means that you can find other people in the same situation. Back in those days, you know, there was no Amazon, there was no, you know I remember going to the local library to request them to order in books on kind of some of those early books on mind body medicine and then looking at me like I was a, I was an alien. Like who's this like skinny 18 year old kid that's just trying to, trying to order these books? The, you know it was particularly difficult was around my peers.