It’s Never Too Late to Totally Reinvent Yourself with Kareen Zahr Walsh

If I have to go another day feeling this uncomfortable, then I am wasting my life. I am burning down the days that I have left without feeling the things that I know I'm capable of or producing the things I know I'm capable of or connecting with the people that I want to have more joy and pleasure around, where I just really don't believe in the suffering for success. I feel like it's an antiquated model in that we're just way more intelligent now, and I think we have the means to get through hard, but I don't necessarily think we have to suffer. Don't let the limitations of others become your own, and you can always be where you are today. Welcome to the Jen Gottlieb Show. Karine is here. Yes, I am. I'm so happy to be here. Okay.

I'm so thrilled Karine is here. And we were chatting before, but of course we were like, save it for the pod. Save it for the podcast. There's so much to talk about today. If those of you that are listening, welcome to the Jen Gottlieb Show. I'm really, really, really grateful to have Karine here with me today. Karine and I go way, way, way, way, way back. I think one of my very first speaking situations was Karine invited me to speak in front of her mastermind or her small group in New York City. And I was so nervous. And it was a really impactful moment in my life because she gave me an opportunity. You gave me an opportunity to, like, share my story. And every. Every time I did it, I got a little bit more confident, so that's something I'll never forget. And Karine's one of our inner circle members. She's a dear friend, and she's an extraordinary business owner, entrepreneur, and coach. And we're going to go all over the map today. I know I'm saying this intro before we even dive in, but because Karine has a lot of pivots happening right now, and I think that overall, we're kind of in a like, as. As a human race of giant pivots happening. And a lot of people that I know are going through a shift, and I've seen you transform with ease and grace. I have. And I'd like to talk about this one big pivot that you just went through, which was the most, I think, impactful that you've had in a long time to start us off, and that is your divorce.

Yeah.

And. Cause when I met you, you were married.

Yes.

Take me back to that day. When I met you and then let's go, you know, to where we are now and like how that pivot transition.

The growth of it all. I believe when we first met it was through Chris Harder's mastermind. You and Chris came to speak at that event. That's how I found out about you two and Super Connector Media and then love that you were in New York because that's where we were living, you know, like we were east coast people and wanting to create a better connection and that's what you guys were all about. And it was beautiful at the time because I was just with being in that mastermind at the cusp of really establishing myself as an entrepreneurial coach, as a seven figure business builder, as someone who is very committed to my relationship and how we were growing together in my marriage and really just felt like it was a very foundational time. So that must have been like 2017-2018-2017-2018. So. So a lot has happened since then, a lot of shifts I would say. I think I kept putting myself out there and stretching myself and growing in those years. And I found that through the pandemic years it was something that kind of stunted the ability to grow because I'm such an explorer. So I grew digitally right, like we all try to. And I tried to hold space for other people as they needed through that time, but found that I was becoming someone I was not. And I was witnessing the same in my ex husband's behavior as well. Like everything we had set out to do required a lot of outward facing connection and we couldn't really create that in that time. Being on the east coast in the New York area was very much protective and shut down, which is not how I behave in life. And so that was a really telling time for us in our relationship, but also what affected both of our businesses at the time. I still actually was able to double my business during that time because I had been a virtual business for six years prior. I had all the practices already in place and so many people were trying to figure that out. He had a business that was product based and required people, people distribution and being in the room to make happen. And so we have these challenges that two entrepreneurs and relationships sometimes doesn't navigate well together. But also how we both kind of survived that time, I think we had different approaches and after that cycle of surviving that which neither of us are really good in survival mode, I realized that other things over time had had kind of compounded to really surface. And it was time for me to Face me. Because I had become someone that, yes, I was always successful on the outside. That's always been my journey. I'm highly functional in dysfunction, but I also know how to exit that when it's not a fit. And so as my business scaled and I was building up my reputation and everything's going well on the outside, the inside of me was not doing well at all.

Can you elaborate on that a little bit? Because I know that there are many people listening to this right now that might feel like that is their reality and they can't put their finger on it.

Yeah.

And what did that feel like or maybe even look like for you in that moment of realizing I'm not being true to myself?

Yeah. And that's. That is the right word. Like, so for me, it always shows up in my health, number one. But I don't always listen to my body. And that's only something I've learned with maturity to be like, oh, wait, these are the signs. Like, I have digestive issues. I'm moody. I want to sleep more. I was talking to someone the other day. It kind of like, I get slothy. It's the best way to put it. Like, I feel literally like it's like slow motion. But it's still. I'm still so capable as a sloth. Right. Because I'm so dynamic. So the signs for me were to pay attention to that first and realize the anger in me. And I was finding resentment. Like, the emotional imbalance just wasn't who I wanted to show up as. So I had to face her first and get the support I needed, which is really going into therapies and doing some trauma healing and figuring out inside what do I want my story to be, to be strong enough to then now face the relationship and say, this no longer fits for me. As much as I love you and as much as we are, you know, come to a certain point in our friendship as a marriage, this just doesn't work for me anymore because I can't be the version of myself that built this commitment together. And I. And it no longer fits, you know, for us to be together in this way. So the inner work had to happen first. But the indicators were really my health and my anger. I was starting to get really resentful and angry in the relationship.

So this was going to completely change your life, like a massive, massive hit. And I. And I wanted to share this story because I think that divorce can be very glamorized. It can. They don't necessarily. People don't really Open the doors and show really what goes on when you make that big of a decision and how terrifying, I'm sure it was when. Or it can be when you're actually making that move and, like, what is next? Who am I without this person? And you're really great at stepping into the unknown and really strong when it comes to making a decision and sticking with it. So there are many people out there that try to get divorced for years, and they don't. Yeah, and you did. So is there anything that you can tell us, the audience, whether they're, like, looking at a divorce or maybe it's quitting their job or leaving a dysfunctional situation, and they're just terrified of what's on the other side, so they continue to stay, even though all the signs were there that they should leave.

How.

How did you actually take the action?

The step. Yeah, so all of them, all the different scenarios you just outlined, whether it's, you know, leaving the job you're in for another opportunity, or. Or giving yourself the opportunity to decide what you want to do next, or leaving a business, et cetera, these are all. Or relationship. These are all exit strategies. And I am an innate strategist. Like, I have to visualize the plan, see what it could be. But what ends up happening for me that actually allows me to move through and take that step is the fact that I detach myself from the actual outcome, and I try to be as present as possible in what I need right now. I think that is actually the hardest thing when you're planning anything is always like, oh, it's about the destination, it's about the plan, but really it's about being the best version of yourself right now and. And being more present in the right now to realize that this is the blessing, this is the time. Right? And if I have to go another day feeling this uncomfortable, then I am wasting my life. I am. I am burning down the days that I have left without feeling the things that I know I'm capable of or producing the things I know I'm capable of or connecting with the people that I want to have more joy and pleasure around. You know, so the step of the hard right, that. That first step of saying, you know what? This is not enough for me. I have to move forward in any arena, whether it's shutting down a company that I've started because it just didn't have the right client base, or I was just over it and I wanted to grow in my role or firing an employee because it's no longer A fit for where we're headed or ending a marriage, because that is something that felt very weighed down versus lifted up in. And that's really where, you know, I. I just had to detach from the ultimate outcome of what might happen on the other side and know and find certainty in myself in the moment to really get pulled towards pleasure and, like, what lights me up from a conscious place because I. I don't want to, you know, paint the picture of it being like, it all supposed to be happy and glorious. It's really about making sure it's true. To you, it's that word truth, like you said earlier, it's trusting that this is the best step for me right now, because I never thought I would be at this stage of my life, unmarried and focused, you know, solely on what's next for me in the next few years and. And navigating on my own in this way. I'm having a lot of fun in the navigation, but I'm someone that actually loves change. Yeah, I love knowing that if something doesn't fit, we're doing something about it. Like, that really feels like life to me, because that is what we're here for. The journey, not necessarily the status.

You know, one thing that is absolutely a thousand percent certain is change. We're changing every second. And I love that you're. You can embrace it. I think that, yeah, we can get on a whole nother tangent on. On Fear of Change, or when people say you've changed, like, it's a negative thing.

I was like, thank you.

It's amazing.

You're listening to the Jen Gottlieb Show.

Take this step. You. You leave this marriage. So that's us. Pivot number one. And tell me, like, for the person that's listening right now, I'd love for what you to talk about what that pivot looked like, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and maybe what steps you put into place to be able to come out the other side so successfully.

Yeah. So I was at the time, the breadwinner had all the financial responsibility in our relationship at the time of ending it, and I had to be very strategic. Honestly. There's two sides to a divorce, and not many people understand that it's a contractual obligation. Right. It is literally a merger. And you come in as two entities in the beginning, and then you're growing together, and then. And the law is something that is strategic, not emotional. And so for me, I had to balance the strategy with the emotional healing of this change. And I made sure I put the right team around me to do that. Right on both sides. So the strategic part, though, I think it's really important, especially if you're an entrepreneur out there and you're the breadwinner in the role in your relationship, is to really have a clear understanding of what does it mean if something happens to break apart. Right. Like, what does it mean if, let's say, even if your partner's a bit. So I coach a lot of partners in business, a lot of families in business. It is amazing how much is not spoken about upfront when they go into business together to make sure that you're operating in a way that aligns with. If you. One of. One of the partners wants to leave the business, they don't feel stuck because they still have to go home to that person at night. Like, there's a. There's a navigation even in just that type of dynamic as well. So I bring this up because I think, you know, you have to really understand the systems that you're saying yes to and the contractual obligations, which is what marriage is. Of course, there's an emotional connection, but no one can put a value on the emotion, but they can put a value on your assets. You want to make sure that you have the right structures in place to fix it so. Or to. To go to the ends that you want. And it was really, really challenging, very challenging to think of something that I built with. With this person for over 13 years in a relationship, a married relationship, to now have to go transactional about how it all separates. Coolest thing about us, though, we are highly amicable, he and I, and we wanted to make sure we approached it with integrity and respect once he was on board, because I was the one that initiated the divorce to ensure that we both were intact and healthy on the other side of it. So it took, you know, a good year of managing through first emotional stability and really staying committed to each other in the friendship to then unravel the marriage. And I think that's very unique. Not many people have that we did. You know, we could bring in third parties to help us talk through certain things. We each had our own individual support as well. So, yeah, I think, though, I had to be very strategic about protecting my business, my assets, making sure he was okay, and that it wasn't too disruptive for both our lives, you know, as we ended things. Yeah, but not all people have that scenario. But what I do think is that if you approach it with integrity of how you want it to be on the other side, and you Stay the course. Regardless of the emotional response of the other person you're trying to separate from, it is very important to still stay the course for yourself, because I would rather. And that's, again, I detached myself from the outcome. I literally had to get to the point where it's like, even if I left with absolutely nothing and I had to start over again, and I had to just take what I've known and built within myself just so that I could be true to me, I would figure it out. That's.

I just got goosebumps when you said that, because I think when it really comes down to it, there's so much. And not just in divorce, but leaving anything, leaving anything behind, starting anything new, letting go of something that no longer serves you. There is so much fear. And I'll say it for myself, that comes with that, like, well, what would I be without this? But then when I really do the work, like, if you really unpack it and you're really like, worst case scenario, let's go. Worst case, worst case, Worst case. You go all the way to the depths of the worst. And I'm like, I'd figure it out.

Exactly.

I'd figure it out.

You'd show up for it. Because you have no other choice, honestly. You could stay hidden. You could hide under the covers, but is that the life you want? Do you want the life under the covers? And this is the thing I kept saying to myself through this divorce. Jen was like, I'm removing the veil. I put a veil on for this marriage to stay in this relationship, and I was so committed to it that I was becoming someone that I wasn't. And another veil came on every single time I did that compromise and another veil and another veil just to survive it, ultimately. And then another veil. That veil got so heavy, it was like cement. So as soon as the divorce happened, I was like, oh, my God, I removed the veil. Like, the veil that. Of masking truly what I desire and the veil of. Of not having to compromise myself just for the sake of this commitment. And, you know, the veil of. Of just even simple choices of, like, what I ate, because it was easier to eat the same things versus, like, eat what I wanted, like, veil removal, removal. And I was like, okay, yeah, that's literally what it feels like because you put the veil on when you get married. And then the removal of the veil, veil, once you're separated, divorced, etcetera, it just. It's like an awakening, a curse.

Yeah. I mean, I'm feeling it as you talk about It. It seems like a spiritual, physical, every type of awakening that you could possibly have, almost like a new freedom. And now you can evolve into the next version of you, and you can truly make that pivot when you've let go. And so now were you like, okay, the world's my oyster, let's go, or like, then what comes next?

Yeah, I mean, I'd say it slowly started my exploration again, and the travel and the connection and the discovery, like, who. Who am I now? You know, and what is it that I want to create for myself?

How did you discover that?

I always ask questions of people that go before me, but I also love going into containers. So, like retreats and different immersive experiences just to figure out something new about myself, because everything I am interested in, I generally go get certified in.

So.

So, like, one of the main things that helped me in healing through this process, as well as leveling up within. I became a certified breathwork healer, like, you know, amidst my divorce, because I needed a space that was completely different than I had experienced before, but also a toolkit to help me through it and then to be able now to host breath work. I just did it yesterday and here in the area, like, for a group, I mean, it's just so beautiful that you can just come and hold space and help with healing others to move through things while also doing the work myself. So immersive experience is one I will always hire team, like I say, my support team. So whether it's therapists like, you know, the I, I've done timeline therapies. I've gone into different strategic workshops to learn different business models because that might help me provide another service. Like, I am always evolving. That's why my methodology is called Evolve. Because as I continuously grow, I want everything around me to grow with me. And if I can learn and teach it, then I'm now collecting people around me that also are learning and growing around me too. So that was probably the best way for me to start my shift into who I truly want to become and I believe who I am as someone who leads with love and is constantly exploring, like, what else can I add value to in this world? And so, yeah, I just really love to expose myself to different things and see how it fits.

That's funny. I love that you. You're like, if I want to really learn something, I certify myself in it. I always think of that if I learn something, if I don't teach it immediately or figure out a way to communicate it and teach it doesn't stick. So that's really cool. If you want to learn something new, go all the way and certify yourself in it. And now like and someone. Yeah.

And choma someone out. When I. So my first book when I wrote it was really that self help, self development book to give you tools to up level your life. Right. The second book I realized came because I was like, now I wanted to lead. Like once you actually master something for yourself, it's you, it's like innate that you're like, let me show someone else they might be having the same suffering or they might want to advance a certain way. So the second book was all about leadership and now this third one that I'm thinking of work on too is it's going to be all about relationships. Honestly. It's like how to move onward through, through the lessons learned that you have with the exchanges of others like in energy and growth, conversation, business, not business, personal, et cetera. Because I feel like that's then that next thing I want to help people with.

I love this conversation so much because I talk to a lot of people that get very stuck on the fact that they don't give themselves permission to evolve with their brand, with their business, with their relationships, that it always has to look perfect. Perfect and like, like a white picket fenced, beautiful journey of, of a human that stays the same all the time. And I love hearing you talk about this because it's just like pulling back the veil, pulling back the curtain on really, really what goes on in life. Really with everybody. We pivot and we evolve constantly. Whether we realize it or not. We're evolving every second.

Yeah.

And, and I love that you have leaned into it every time. Instead of feared it, you've leaned into it. So you're just a beautiful example of us for us to look to when we're thinking, oh my gosh, I feel alone in this. What should I do? You're paving the way courageously with leaning into the evolution of who you're becoming. And so. All right, we now have become breathwork, healer extraordinaire and also your business and books and everything. And talk to me now about, because you are a business coach and you help people build seven figure businesses and you do that in many, many ways. When you see business owners step into a pivot or an evolution of their business, how do you coach them through that and how do you use your own experience of your pivots in your relationship and in your life to help them?

Yeah. So I love understanding the destination and I Always want to make sure that I understand the destination with my clients. Like, where are we headed?

What if you don't know?

Well, that's. Then we do the, we do the work to understand. Well, then what's next? Right? Like, because you, if you don't have some form of a destination, we don't know how to intrude towards it to know that you're on some form of a path. Now, the difference is knowing the destination and how we get there is a zigzag situation. It's never really a straight line. It's the tools when you're zigging and zagging to stay on course. That is what I help my clients with accountability as well as easy actions of checking in. You constantly have to check in. Are you on course? And even if you're on a course to a destination you don't want anymore, you need the, you need the skill set on how to exit, how to get truly off that course.

Let's talk about that.

Yes.

So let's say you set a destination. This has happened to me so many damn times, I can't even count happening every Saturday. Set a destination. And then you start on thing and you realize you no longer know if that's the destination or you don't want that destination anymore. Is that quitting or is that pivoting?

I see it as a pivot. I don't, I don't believe in a quit because I feel like you have lessons learned up until that point. If you've truly maximized the direction you were hoping to get towards and realize that's not a fit for you, that's not the destination you got to. Doesn't really boost you. I'll give you an example. So when I initiated this practice of, okay, you set a goal, like a stretch goal, end of year, this is what you want, right? You then chunk it down into quarterly. What are you going to do this first quarter? To inch you towards that. That first quarter generally is about discovery because you might not even know what it's going to take to get to that end goal. But that's, you know, you had that vision, great, I'm excited for you. But now let's, let's make it more tangible. How do we need to make it more tangible? Most of the time, people skip discovery and learning and start to go for that end goal, thinking that that has to happen right now and they skip the, the steps that help them get there. So we chunk it down. So for me, I'll just give you a prime example. This was like a health goal for me. But the same year, when I wrote my first book, which was a stretch goal, I didn't know how to write a book. Who knows, right? Like, I was like, but I want to do it. So I gave myself a full year and I was like, okay. So quarter one was write every single day, get my thoughts down to see what it would be for the first 30 days. Even if I could try to get context of what my book would even be about, I had no clue. I just knew I wanted to write a book. And so I wrote every single day and then take that learnings and did an assessment at the end of that 30 days. How's it going with writing? Do I still enjoy writing what's going really well? I do my retrospective exercise, which is, excuse me, what I do on a monthly basis now with my community, they can hop on a call with me and I facilitate this monthly. But I basically go through a way to assess being in aligned action, like, am I on track? It also gives me an opportunity at this assessment to stop doing the thing if it's no longer a fit or if it's not inching me towards that. And I think those are the practices we have to have in place. Is the check in to say, am I still on course? Is this a course I even want to be on? Right. So the book got accomplished, but it was the first version of it was like a 250 page crazy. Almost like an autobiography of sorts, storytelling thing that when I got it back from my first editing session, I literally read it, Jen. And I was like, who gives a. I literally did and I trashed it. I was like, this is not the thing that I actually want to put out there. That was. That was June of that year. But I still had my goal and I knew I still wanted to do a book. But I had learned a lot from writing this version that I was like, this is not the thing. So I trashed it. I was like, what of this is that that I learned that I actually do want to put out. And it gave me clarity for the second half of the year to be like, you know what, Karine? You're always someone that delivers tools to people. Like, if it's not of value to them, you're not like, who cares? It's just a story, you know, like was really my attitude towards it. You can share stories, but give them a tool. So then I created more of a playbook, like a toolkit, and it's still a book. And that's ended up, you know, getting written in like the next six weeks. And then I went through the iterations of editing and then that's what got published. Right. But that took the full journey. But I had a check in assessment every 30 days, and I think that's really critical to make sure you're on track. The health one I was talking about was running a 5K. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that stopped.

This is my question. So let's say you get to the check in point, right. And you're like, this is hard. And I think that it's really, really easy for fear to resistance, or whatever you want to call it, to come in and say, I don't think this is your path because this is really uncomfortable.

Yeah.

And maybe we should say that this isn't the path because do you really.

Want to go through this pain when.

Really it is just the natural cycle of pain, resistance, and fear that you actually have to go through to get to your goal? And do you find that that fear comes in, disguises itself as that? And a lot of people quit before, like, they quit too soon. They, and they say the excuse of this wasn't a fit, even though, you know, when it really was, they just didn't want to experience the pain of actually getting there. Yeah.

I've been in this conversation with myself lately where I just really don't believe in the suffering for success.

Okay.

Like, I, I, I feel like it's an antiquated model in that we're just way more intelligent now, and I think we have the means to get through hard, but I don't necessarily think we have to suffer. And to me, that pain, pain is a threshold. Right. Like, yes, I'm gonna go flex and I'm gonna go lift heavier and it's gonna be temporary and then I'm go see the results later. That is something that is part of a system that has been proven that works. So if you follow the system, you know it'll work for you. But I feel like there's that line of some people get too stuck in the suffering, that they're actually not pivoting fast enough to go towards what it is that they actually want because they don't have permission to actually have it be more pleasurable. And I think that's the different mindset shift that that will help people evolve faster. Because for me, when it was running, like, my body is just not well suited to run, like, as much as I would love to. And I did try for 6 months to train myself to run a 5k. Yes. Physically it was painful because my body type is not that. Put me in that sprinting great. Put me in a kickboxing class. I'll freaking nail it.

Right.

Like, there are certain things that I will excel at that give me similar results, but running is not my thing. And I had a goal of a 5k in that same year where I was like, this. This is actually hurting me and keeping me away from the things that actually do light me up that I can replace with something else that actually is fitted for me. So I do think we have to have a level of discernment as to what's best for us and not coming from a place of comparison, because that's what I would do. I'd be like, look at all these runners. They look so fit. And I want to feel that way, and I want to. You know, but the pain on the inside didn't. Didn't make sense for the results that that person had is not my journey. So why am I sticking myself in that box?

You know, it really is a conversation we all have to have with ourselves and really ask ourselves. It is such an individualized question. And I think we know internally.

Yeah.

We know when it's fear and we know when it. It's just not right. It's. We know, but I think. I don't know. For me, in certain situations, I remember kind of knowing it was fear, but really being like, you know, just giving myself all the excuses in the world to quit. Yeah. And I've also been on the other side where I, like, I knew for sure in my heart, like, no, this is not right. I'm going to pivot. And I. And other people will look at it and say, she was just afraid or she was lazy or she could. Like, I don't. I know. So we know. And I think it's an important conversation to continue having because it's so nuanced and it really is. There's no right or wrong way to do any of this stuff. No, it really is so individualized. And that's. I love your journey because you're like, I'm doing it my way.

Get outside of your comfort zone and into your best life. One small step at a time.

Now you're. We were just talking about your new adventure. Yeah, I'd love to talk about the new phase. The new phase. The new adventure. We're, like, going to eat, pray, love, kind of a little bit. So talk to me about this. What's happening?

Yeah. So I. I think we were in our last mastermind inner circle day And I remember staying in the room when we were going around like in our updates where I was like this, that last year was the first year of being single again or unmarried. And I felt like the way I described previous to that was like I was sitting in the waiting room for my life when I was and as I was ending my marriage, right, like you, you want to leave it with integrity, you want to leave it in. In a high, high vibe. Like, I really was very intentional about that, but I was literally sitting in a waiting room. And so it was been a lot of exploration. Last year I traveled more than I think I have. I have a lot. Majority of my adult life, I think I was on like 46 different flights. I stayed in I don't know how many places, different countries, et cetera. And I loved it. I really love the ability to pick up and expose myself to new environments, but find ways again to add value in those environments. And so as I've been designing this year, I was like, what would it be like if I. If I plan to go on a world tour of sorts of in 2026? Because you have to build the foundation of that lifestyle. And I'm not a. I am a risk taker, but I'm not, I'm a calculated risk taker, right. So I have to have a plan and I have to feel comfortable and centered in it to do it. So this year is a foundational year for me to set up what it would be like to have the freedom to just come and go as I want to go, stay extended stay in other countries, to expose myself to different cultures, to see where I could take all my acumen and, and apply it, you know, to a whole new group of people doing speaking engagements and keynote talks and really trying to expand my reach without feeling held back. And that's, that's the journey I'm on now. And it's really fun to design. It's scary. I'm not like, it's not like I, I don't have my moments of like, what am I actually doing? But this is what the journey is all about.

What is planning for something like that look like? Like, is it logistical? Like planning like what hotels are going.

To stay at, how much money you need to like y.

What does this look like?

Well, I would say that last year I was quite extravagant with what I did and I ended the year and not. Not as comfortable as a financial situation as I hope. I always like to have a certain net of sorts. And in this case, as this year has kicked Off. Things have shifted a little bit in business. Like, there's a lot going on in the world that you have to be able to be comfortable to pivot around. And so it, it includes, like, potentially selling my house and, and finding another location. And that is more cost effective because if I'm not using that house, I literally call my house the most expensive closet because it holds all my things, but I'm not there. Right. So it's, yes, logistics. It's also about the relationships. Like, where is it that I want to go that lights me up, that I want to spend extended time or build a community for myself? My home base. If I'm changing where my home base is, I want to make sure that it's a home base that I feel at home and still. Right. And luckily I have people everywhere, so I really can move to anywhere. But that's all part of this whole plan. And to me, the strategy always has to come down to the numbers. I'm very much a spreadsheet person, and I like to see that the numbers will add up and it gives me the right, the freedom to choose. Right. Because that's what we go into entrepreneurship for. At least that's why I did. Is that the freedom to choose where I want to spend my time and how I want to spend it? So, yeah, that all goes into the, to the planning of it. Reaching out to my friends, saying, hey, what do you think?

So this is going to be a year of adventure. And what does dating look like for you, stepping into this new season? Dating? I mean, we're past the point. Or, I don't know, kids, like, adopt, like, what building a family, is that ever. Is that something you're like? Nope.

Or I would say I'm past the stage of that. And I call myself a sparent. I'm a spare parent. Came from Elizabeth Gilbert. I saw her speak years ago where it's, you know, unfortunately, children. We tried when, when I was married, it didn't work out for us. And I had a, you know, few losses in that regard. And I realized, okay, naturally wasn't going to happen. And then there was the window of do we adopt? And it's like that didn't happen. And now at the cusp, I mean, I, I am turning 50. Like, it's not like I, you know, I have this, this stretch of years left. Truly. Like, Jesse Isler always talks about the number of days we have left, and I'm like, I really want to maximize where I spend my time. So it's, do you want A relationship for sure. Because I feel like I'm a good partnered person. Like, I. I enjoy that exchange daily and the connection daily. And dating is interesting. And I have a whole dating that maybe will become a book in the future too, because I feel like you have to be strategic in this day and age to move through what's happening out there. But I'm reintroducing myself because I had been with one person for so long, so I don't even. In the initial stages of dating, I was like, I don't even know what I like. I don't even know what I'm attracted to. You know, Like, I had to relearn it. And it's been wild to discover things about myself through the process. But I feel like having a partner in the future is. In my future. It's just figuring out the right fit for me and this lifestyle. I am not an easy. I know this from a lifestyle standpoint. It is not easy to be committed to someone in my lifestyle unless they also can adapt to that lifestyle. Otherwise, there'll be a lot of distance between us too. For Warren, I would travel together. Right. So it builds the criteria.

And as far as business goes, are it or what's next for you in business? So talk about your coaching and how you help people and where that's gonna. Like, how that's gonna continue on in your adventure.

Yeah. So what I love about what I've built today, and especially with my evolve methodology, it really can go with me anywhere. And I already had this vision for this year to run a few retreats, like, immersive retreats, where I can integrate the business healer that I am. Right. Like, both sides of really becoming who you are and having the space to unleash a few things so that we can direct you as you lead your business strategically in a more aligned way. So I think those retreats can totally be global. Right. Like, I can. If I find the right network, I can go host that in other countries, which would be so much fun. Like, that would be phenomenal.

Right. So cool. Like, I'm sitting here listening to you, and I'm like, throw out all the rules. Like, when I listen to you, I'm like, throw out all the rules of all of the ways that you know many. I don't know, I guess you could say, quote, unquote, society. It's not really society anymore, but it's definitely changing. But the story that we've told, like, what a woman's life should be like, or what our lives in general should Be like. And the trajectory we should be on. And I really like having this conversation publicly because it's just a beautiful example of you are stepping into living life on your own terms, the way that you want to live it and not, you know, putting on a veil that somebody else wanted for you in order to fit into a box of what society says we should be doing. And that's that. It's unfortunate that I have to say that it's courageous, but it is, because I'm sure that. Do you ever get, like, the voice that says, what are you doing?

Yeah. I mean, when. When I hear that voice, it is just. I. I look at it and I'm like, well, what are you questioning? You know, because why not? Like, I. I always. A few things I always said is, don't let the limitations of others become your own, and you can always be where you are today. So I always step forward into what's next because I know I could always be this. I. I can always be this. I can just stay this. And it is a beautiful life. Like, there's no. This is always certain for me. So why not step forward into the what's next and just see and have I stepped forward and had a really hard lesson learned? Yes, of course I have. But that doesn't mean that that's my identity. That is a circumstance that I got through, and my identity is formed with how I show up in it. And I think that is the beauty of the grace you might see in me is because I've done so much inner work to. To face that voice and be like, okay, so what are you really questioning? Because is it. If it's the fear of the outcome, then. Then let's reshape the outcome. If it's. If it's the fear of, like, the. The ability to. Well, then let's go get the ability. Right? Like, so just keep asking more questions, and you'll eventually find what the next best step is to move through that.

This is so good. This is so.

This.

I know for a fact as we speak right now, like, this is going to help somebody right now. That. That is sitting in. In the sea of sameness for a very long time, just afraid to take that step and that pivot because you know, of the shoulds or that voice that says, who are you? Who do you think you are? And thank you. Leading by example. Thank you.

Sure.

How can people find more about you? Talk about your app. You have an app. We didn't even talk about that yet. She has an AI app. Like, Tell about the app.

Yeah. So, hey, Karine. HeyKarene.com is where you can go and learn more about the app and download it. But it truly. I cloned myself in AI. So this acumen that we've just talked through, so many different topics, etc. I. I put it all into the machine, gave it my personality, but also.

And your voice.

And my voice. Yeah, you could call her. It's pretty wild. And I adore her because she's helped me a lot too. Like, it's. It's wild when your own brain is in a system. Because I could go ask her questions and she gives me my answers much faster, which is great. But Hankerine was built to extend my impact. Right. Like, I sit on so much guidance, knowledge, education. I've invested so much over time that I wanted others to benefit from. So that's what the. Hey, Karina's app is for. And it centralizes all my content. Like, when this show comes out, this episode will be there too, so people can always hear the latest conversations. But really the AI is the biggest function of value, I think that sits there. So ask anything.

It's so cool. Anything. And it's literally Corrine talking to you.

Yeah.

If you, like, want Karine to coach you, you want some of her wisdom, you're going to go take this big leap in your life and eat, pray, love and stuff. You're going to ask Karine how do I. She will talk to you.

Yeah. But then if you want to connect with me directly. Yeah, obviously, like, if you want me under the hood of their business with you, help you move through a challenge you're facing, whatever it is. Obviously that's Karene Walsh.com and also just you can DM me on insta Karene Z. Walsh. But it's really so much. I love connecting. I really do. I don't know how not to serve, which is why I created a business out of it, because this is who I am. And. And I appreciate dialogue like this because I do think more people need to be more of who they are and build business and leading roles from that place.

I am so excited to see what happens with all of this adventuring. I mean, it is really exciting. I have goosebumps right now because I'm so looking forward to what's to come. It's just so. It's so exciting. It's so fun. I'm so grateful for you for sharing so openly about your experience because there's so many people that are thinking all of these thoughts and thinking they're alone in this whole situation. And you have just shared with us like, almost like a you gave us a key to unlock a place that was locked up. I think a lot of people aren't talking about living this life that you're about to go explore on and just go adventure in. And so you guys follow Karine, use her app, follow the adventure, Follow the journey. There probably will be a book on the other side. I hope that, like, the beginning of the book starts with this podcast of us, like, seeing, setting up.

Yes.

Setting up the adventure. But thank you for being a part of my life. Thank you for being on the show. Thanks for coming out to Miami to do this. And y' all go talk to Karine. She she's awesome. So thanks for watching the Jun Got Leave show. And I will see you next time.