10 Years After Our First Mastermind: What Real Estate Investing Looks Like Now

10 years ago, before InvestHer was even born, we started our first mastermind with women from 4 different states via Skype. Yeah, you heard it right, we're dating ourselves here, but that's how we started. The goal was to meet on a monthly basis to support each other's businesses, and out of that mastermind, InvestHer idea came along. So in today's episode, this is all about where they're at now, what happened with their real estate portfolio, their business, how do they change themselves, what do they value nowadays. Let's get into it.

Welcome to the Real Estate InvestHer Podcast, a top 1% show helping women achieve financial freedom by investing in real estate. And now, your hosts, Liz Faircloth and Andresa Guidelli, So, Brennen, let's start with you.

How have you changed as a driven— I can say that about you— as a driven woman real estate investor from the past 10 years?

That's a tough question. So much, it feels like, has changed. I've definitely entered, like, I'll say personally, like, just as a woman, entered a different phase of my life where the tolerance for pretty much anything is very low. So I'm all about getting things done at this point in my life and not really letting anything or anyone get in the way of that. And I would say that for me has been a big change because I was much more of a, a pleaser historically. So there's been a shift there. And then just in business, again, a great deal has changed. When we were in the rooms, if you will, kind of chatting about what we were working on 10 years ago, we were talking about, for me, things like we were in the process of potentially launching a small boutique hotel and we were building small units and single-family homes, but in pretty small volume. We've now grown a company that builds over 100 units a year and have also taken a construction company in-house. So that was a big learning and a new movement for us over the, the past year. So lots of great things have changed and we're having a lot of fun doing it.

And, and the rewarded hotel in Philadelphia. I remember when you guys purchased it, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a fun project that we acquired that property in 2018. It was meant to be a year and a half renovation. It took 3 years. And yes, we are honored to have received a Michelin key in 2024 and 2025. And I believe while lots of people put great work into this establishment, I believe that it's really mostly focused on the, great history of the women who used to gather in that space for over 100 years. So it's really a powerful story about the women's movement, and we're so proud to have been able to bring it to life here in Philadelphia.

Love it.

So how about you, Mindy? What has changed?

What has changed in my real estate investing is that I don't really invest in real estate anymore. I've got a couple of syndications. I always have my eye out for something, but we have been live-in flipping since 1996. And that's a lot of work to move and move and move and move. And I looked at my husband as we are— I'm sitting in my last live-in flip that still isn't done 6 years later. That was also a 2-year renovation, Brennan. So it's not just you. I looked at my husband a few, maybe a few years ago, and I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. This is just— it's so much work. We never have any free time. And We're just always working on the house. Like, I just wanna relax. So I have pulled back and, you know, I'm 53 now. I don't need to prove myself to anybody anymore, and I just wanna have a chill life. I haven't found it yet. I'm still taking on too much, but I have decided that I am just going to continue to invest in the stock market and in businesses in my local city that I believe in and wanna see grow. And I've really pulled back from actual real estate investing now.

Mindy, I don't know if the word Mindy and chill goes together.

I'm trying to make them friends.

All right. All right.

I think that's possible.

Yeah. I mean, the difference between now and 10 years ago, I'm kind of running with what Mindy here. I, I, I feel like I've pulled back a lot. You know, I still invest in things. I still do things. But 10 years ago I was in the throes of building, you know, my company and trying to gather rental properties, trying to find just new things to invest in. And now I just kind of have my stuff and I manage it and it's cool, but I don't want, I don't want more of it 'cause to me more of it just means more work. So I feel like I have enough work to do. So, you know, the real estate market, that's definitely softened a lot since interest rates have gone up. So, you know, it's kind of being like forced to take a little bit of a break, especially with the post-COVID craziness of the market and stuff. So, you know, now that the, the market itself has kind of taken a break and kind of forced me to take a little bit more of a break, I'm enjoying it. So I'm just spending a lot more time, you know, traveling, just trying to be a little bit more available to my kids and stuff. You know, like I said, they're kind of new teenagers and want to be taken everywhere and whatnot. I'm still working, I'm just not focusing a lot of my energy into building. More maintaining.

How about you, Jonna?

Well, it was interesting. I think there's a common theme here, which is really lovely to hear everyone where they're at right now, because a lot of us haven't connected in person for a little while. Uh, at the time, 10 years ago, I was extremely, um, busy being sports mom and kids in high school and doing all of the fun teenage things. Now I'm an empty nester, and during that span, I, I think I propelled off of that mastermind and did some really fun things. I grew a large real estate team. I was very, very focused on a lot of sales. We self-managed properties and we also bought, uh, quite a bit of real estate, um, within the last 10 years. And like many of you, I'm kind of coming full circle and I have recently really simplified some things and I'm coming down to the heart of where I feel like I'm called to be. And that is working with and building up other real estate investors and helping people navigate the market and what it looks like now, because it is a different market than 2016 and, and certainly 2021 and finding some joy in that. And I think it's about finding this mix of how we can serve others and help them, but also find that joy in life and new hobbies. And like Don, I like to travel and have some fun things on the horizon.

There is a common theme here, right? I think as, as we get older and wiser, the priorities have shifted. And how do you guys handle time right now versus 10 years ago? Did anything change? Are you doing anything differently? Because we hear a lot of women saying that they have a lot on their plate and they don't have time. So, What would you say to them, Brennan?

I think it's in line with what others are saying here, which is about simplifying, right? Focusing on the things that are most important and are going to be most impactful both to my business and to the community and to my family, right? And probably in the inverse order there. I think it's just making space and delegating, right, where we can. I've gotten better at delegating and finding ways to ask for help, right? Have gotten better at that and making sure that there's a team around you and you're leveraging people who are smarter and faster and, and have, you know, the patience of a younger person to deal with some of those things. And then just really focusing on building the relationships is what I find has become the focal point of my time is working with key players to make sure that, again, we're making as much of an impact as we can.

Great. Mindy, Mindy, how about you? How did you see time now that anything changed for you?

10 years ago was actually probably the busiest of my life. I had started working full-time after being a stay-at-home mom for 8 years, and my husband was also working full-time. So who was doing the grocery shopping? There was not a lot of communication. Who was going to clean the house? That got pushed to the side. I had a 9-year-old and a 6-year-old, and they're a lot of work. They still want your attention 24/7. And because I was a stay-at-home mom, they didn't go ask dad. They asked mom. I'm like, well, mom's working. Can you ask dad? Well, but you know, and when you're the primary parent because your husband is working, they, they just, it's custom for them to go to you. They don't even think to go to dad. And now I've got a 19-year-old in college and a 16-year-old at home who is driving. Thank goodness I don't have to do Driveline anymore. My work has slowed down a little bit on purpose. And I am making it more of a priority to advocate for myself. I wanted to get in shape. It's real easy to sit at your computer when you're working all day and then not go to the gym, especially if you hate going to the gym. But going to the gym or not going to the gym is how I gained like 30 pounds over the last 10 years. Probably more like 40 if we're being honest. Um, so I have, made it a point to get to the gym. The only way that I go to the gym is when I put it on my calendar. So I made a repeating calendar invite every Monday at 7:30, every Tuesday at 7:30, every Wednesday at 7:30, Thursday— they don't have a 7:30 class, so every Thursday at 8:30, and every Friday at 7:30. And because it's in my calendar, people aren't scheduling meetings at that time. So I now have the ability to go to the gym, and I've been going to the gym for a year. And I feel better about myself. I've lost 30 pounds. I'm continuing to lose weight as I continue to go to the gym and making myself a priority in my mind is one of the biggest factors in me being a priority because it's so easy to sit there and be like, oh, well, my kids need me, my husband needs me, the house needs me, this needs me, everybody else needs me. So I fall by the wayside and now I am putting myself If not first, I'm putting my, I'm putting myself first at 7:30.

There we go.

And you have to do that if you want to make changes because nobody else is gonna put you first. Oh no, why don't you go to the gym?

I mean, my husband does say like, no, no, no, go to the gym, go to the gym.

But like I had to put it in my calendar and make it a priority in order for it to be a priority.

How about you, Dawn? You had little, little babies and now they're 18.

Yeah, I know. When Mindy was saying she just started, you know, working at that point, I was like, gosh, I was like, I was in the pros of having toddler twins.

Twins.

And I remember, you know, 10 years ago when they were 3, I had just gotten notice from my ex-husband's mom that she was moving to Atlanta. So between her and my mom, they basically came up every single day and helped take care of the kids so I could go work and I could still have appointments and stuff and run around town. And, um, when she said she was moving to Atlanta, I was just heartbroken. I was like, very selfishly was like, what is going to happen to my babysitter? And then I had, I had started my property management company. I started that in 2010. So that was really just kind of like picking up and, you know, getting really, really busy. I had taken on a partner, I'd hired an assistant, you know, and then I was, and then when the sales kind of started picking up after the last recession, you know, everything just got really, really crazy between trying to do all that work myself. So, you know, at that time I had, like I said, taken on a partner, hired an assistant, hired some other agents and stuff. I was never really trying to build a team, but I just kind of had certain needs that needed to be met there. You know, I couldn't do the property management and the sales and run both sides of the company.

Did you change anything when it comes down to time management?

I feel like 10 years ago I pretty much had no time management. It was like putting out whatever fires were, you know, set that day. And it was constantly like chasing my tail, trying to get that to-do list locked out, you know, but you're working all day long. And at that point, especially like post-COVID where the market just really, you know, went crazy. I mean, gosh, I was working. I mean, you know, we were selling, you know, between kind 3, well, really just 2 of us. We were selling probably 80 to 90 homes a year, and that's a lot. It's not crazy, but that's a lot. But the worst part of it is like during COVID you were making a lot of offers and, you know, you'd be one of 20 or 30 offers. You know, your client wouldn't get the house, so you start the process over next week. So it's like, yeah, I sold a lot of homes, so we did a lot of work that went unpaid as well. So, you know, so I think time management at that point was really just, you know, trying to handle whatever is thrown at you. So it's kind of nice now to have a little bit of a forced break that I didn't really— I don't think I really understood at the time how much I needed this time. But now, you know, it's nice that I can take a little mini weekend trip and hop in my camper van and go up a mountain and just like go hang out and check out a little bit. If I don't have great cell phone reception, it's okay. Like, it's not gonna like be the end of the world and stuff. But, um, but the flip side of that is I also no longer have a business partner. You know, the need is just not there. I had to let go of my assistant this year because the need is just not there. And so I'm kind of having to take on some of that work again that I was used to delegating. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but you're evolving, right?

We all take the seasons and evolve. And I think that that's what Liz and I want to really share with all the women out there, because sometimes what it's sold to us is that there is a straight line and this is what you have to do in order to be successful. And you have all the different stories here among yourselves that really sharing how the ups and downs and the turns and the pivots and the plans, the plans that didn't work and how you are adjusting to the season that you are in. And I think that that's the message to all the women out there, that it's okay to adjust and pivot and to value what is important to you. How about you, Jonna? Anything in terms of time management?

Oh, definitely. You know, I look back 10 years ago and, and even 5 years ago, and I was— I think I'm a recovering people pleaser like many of us are. And I would just really took very little regard for my own time. And so much so that I just want that to be a warning to, to those that they, they really need to guard their own time better. And I certainly did. And I feel like I'm at a place now I feel great about. Actually, I've limited my, like, people appointments where I'm out and about and professional and forward-facing to just a couple of days a week. And I find that I'm just as effective. And so I'm filtering everything now through two lenses. One, does it make sense for the business? Is it profitable? Is it, you know, money income producing? Or does it bring me joy? The first time in my life I'm valuing the things that bring me joy just as much as the things that are income producing. And it really, I think, is actually helping my business. So it's, it's been fun, but it's been a learning experience for sure. And just like, John, what you said during the COVID years and stuff, I mean, that was, that was intense and I don't wish to repeat that. And I hope that others can learn from our situation and pace themselves better.

Love that. In terms of skill sets, you know, as we evolve as women business owners, our skill sets also have to evolve or they should evolve, right? So we're not, we're not doing the same things we were doing. So I'm curious, Brennan, for you, what skillset did you need to evolve, develop to be the woman you are today, to be the entrepreneur you are today and the investor you are today? What specific skillset do you have now that you didn't maybe 10 years ago?

A few things pop into my head. One I would say is like a leadership skill. Like, You can't do it all by yourself. You have to be willing to work with other team members and partners and, and focus on making the most of, you know, where you have— where I have gaps in my ability to do things, finding people who are great at those skills and filling those gaps and being willing to accept help. Communication, I've learned, is just like everything. Communication to your team, communication to outside audiences that you're partnering with and working with, and relationship building. That's something my husband's been focused on for a really long time, but I never, you know, I was usually like back office accounting type responsibilities and I've become more of like a company facing role. And I think it's really important as a woman particularly to not just be behind, you know, the scenes and taking more of a step forward, even though that's not always super comfortable for me. Again, I think it's important and that I value very much where I wouldn't have probably, you know, 8 to 10 years ago.

Yeah, yeah.

And you see the value of it, and then you're like, okay, I need to own this. And you're going to have a different way than your husband, the different personalities, right? So I love that. How about you, Mindy?

I'm going to tag off of Brennan's answer and say communication, because nobody is going to know what you are thinking unless you tell them.

What?

And you're not going to know what anybody else is thinking unless you ask. Nobody reads minds, and anybody who tells you they do is a scammer.

I don't know anyone that reads minds. I wish I did though. That would be great.

I always say to Liz, what does it mean? I, I pretend, I, not pretend, I use my English as a second language as the reason to ask clarification questions to people because I really want to know what did they mean? What do you mean by it? Sometimes it's not, we assume that people have the same intentions or the same goals, especially when women are going to, to meetings, Zoom meetings. I always say, hey, let's have— what is the agenda? Because I was so tired of going to meetings and say, hold on a second, this is not even the intention of the meeting. Why? Where are we going to this rabbit hole that it's not even the, the purpose of it? So I concur with all of you in terms of communication, getting super clear, simple, straightforward, so it lands.

I wanna give a quick tip to everyone listening, 'cause Andresa and I, our communication has evolved over the last 10 years. I would hope it has, right, Andresa, for you and I to keep partnered and, and doing what we're doing together. And one of our coaches once had us do this exercise, and he said, write down the word school and then write down the 3 words that come to your mind. So her and I do this, right? We're writing down the words, and then he goes, okay, Liz, what were your 3 words? I forget what my 3 words, but they were— You said—

Oh, hi.

Of course you remember. I'm like, of course she remembers what I said. But I said 3 words. Andresa said 3 words. Not— I think it was maybe 1 word matched or none of them matched. And here's a word, school, one of the most common words, and we couldn't even define it or see it the same way. So, you know, I give that to everyone listening because do that with people that you might not be, or you may be communicating well with, or want to elevate the communication because we often think people know what we're saying, but we may not. So just a quick little exercise to do to be more aligned. How about you, Giana? What, what skill set has evolved for you and that you really use now or have now that you may not have had 10 years ago?

I don't know if this exactly answers the question, but I was thinking about one thing that's changed for me in the skill set that I've developed and is constantly evolving is just that ability to trust my own intuition. And gut for the next right, next move. And whether that's a personal or a business kind of thing, and in this context, mainly business. But I think that's also where a mastermind can be so beautiful. When you get with others that really get to know you and it's not just one 30-minute conversation that they know, they recognize your patterns, they can call you out, you know, when you're giving yourself excuses and, and, or maybe going down the right, wrong path for what your skill sets are. I think it's a beautiful thing and I've continued to foster that in other ways ever since we had our mastermind together. But beyond that, just trusting my own intuition and gut. I think we can get caught up in asking for so many opinions for next steps, even from, you know, marketing experts out there in business and investing experts. And oftentimes you will find that there are some personal agendas for why they're communicating through their lens. And you just need to be aware of that and just take the time It's worth so much to take that little bit of time to sit still with yourself and know what that next right move is. And it, it hasn't failed me. I just have learned to listen to it more often.

Within the, the real estate investor community, we hear a lot of women talking about confidence, that what is missing is confidence. And very often we see women saying, oh, I just lack knowledge. And then they go to a rabbit hole of trying to figure out every single thing about the subject and all the possibilities that can go wrong, and then all of a sudden they find themselves so overwhelmed that they take no, no action. So what is the secret to become confident? Is there a combination of things? Because ultimately the women want to start investing in real estate or take their business to the next level, growing even more what they already have. But there is a confidence gap. So what are your thoughts, Brennen?

I'm trying to think about how to get there faster because I struggled with this myself. I was the person that, you know, I read Rich Dad Poor Dad and I analyzed 150 deals after that before I pulled the trigger. I overanalyzed everything for a long time, not just, you know, in the beginning, but for years and years after that. And I think, You know, if I could say to my younger self, like, you can take a chance every now and then. It needs to be a mitigated, you know, you need to look at the risks and understand the risks. But if it's not gonna break your family, if it's not gonna break your bank and put you in some treacherous situation, like take the risk, right? Give yourself a shot. Even if it goes poorly, you're gonna learn a ton. And so I think it's just about, you know, making sure you know the worst case scenario, taking shots when you can, and that's what's gonna build your confidence. The only way you're gonna get confident, or the only way I've become confident is just from learning and making a ton of mistakes, right? You all know I've been through some bloodbaths, right? The Florida stories and everything else. Like, there was really difficult things, but I've learned from all of them, right? And you recover, you find a way out. And when you come out, you've got all these deep lessons that you know what not to do again. And that's just going to make you even stronger and make the next thing that you do more successful.

I think that's interesting, Brennan, because what ends up happening for a lot of women is they make the mistake and then they stop, right? So they, it's not a comma, right? It's a period. And they just stop. And I think that's one of the parts that you're saying is so important not to stop. I always like to say, I heard that once, like, it's a comma, it's not a period, right? You don't, don't stop there. You gotta evolve and shift. So I love that, that point. How about for you, Mindy?

One of my favorite quotes is from Coco Chanel, and it's, I don't care what you think about me. I don't think about you at all. And stopping worrying about what other people think about you is the number one key to confidence. Because what does it matter? I mean, if somebody— go read all of the reviews on my podcast. There's some pretty awful ones talking about me specifically. So I could read those and let them ruin my day, or I just don't read them because ultimately I don't care what those people think about me. I'm not speaking to them. I'm speaking to the people that want to listen to me. So when somebody— that's like really easy to sit here and say. I will tell you that I have read some of these reviews. I'm like, oh, that kind of just ruined my whole day. But then I remember Coco, and I'm like, you know what? I don't care what you think about me because I don't think about you at all.

How about you, Dawn, in terms of confidence? What comes up for you?

I'm not sure that I've ever actually gained confidence, but what I did kind of, you know, I think that comes with age is that you do just kind of stop caring so much about what other people think and realize that, yeah, other people's opinions who you don't value just don't matter to you anyways and just carry on, you know, do what you want to do. And then I think the other like personality trait of mine that works well for me, even though I don't have the actual confidence, I do have a lack of desire to want to analyze stuff to death. You know, it's like I'll do stuff, I'll run the numbers, looks good, I'm like, all right, that seems fine. You know, I'm just more like, yellow, let's go. You know, and I just kind of have a positive outlook. I just assume things will work out for the best. And if they don't, that you'll learn some lessons. And you know, obviously you try not to lose too much money at any given time, but you know, if something doesn't go perfectly or you do lose some money, you probably did gain some lessons. And so, and I'm okay with that outcome. So I kind of think like, yes, what is the worst case scenario? Am I okay with that outcome? Is it gonna ruin me? If not, then go for it, you know, and just go do it. And so it's not so much confidence. I'm not like, yes, I'm definitely gonna make this work out. It's more of like, eh, what's the worst that could happen?

It's funny you were saying like you're questioning if you got confidence or not, cuz if you were to ask me like, do you think Dawn is confident? I'm like, is that a question? Cuz I see you so confident, so powerful. There's nobody that I would recommend about real estate in North Carolina than you. You know your craft. You don't be asked around. And I think that when you are just you, it's you, right? There is that transparency. It just like exudes confidence to me because people that are trying to wear masks, To me, that shows that they're not confident being themselves. So I'll fight with you on that one, 'cause I think you're damn confident, Dawn.

Well, I definitely appreciate that. It's kind of nice to see what, you know, outsiders think of you and kind of how you portray yourself. You know, obviously you want to look like you know what you're talking about. And I would say when it comes to real estate, yes. You know, if you're asking me a question about real estate, I'm gonna give you the right answer. Or if it's the, wrong answer, I'll let you know that, hey, you know, this could go either way or whatever. But, you know, there's certain topics when people are like, hey, what can you talk about for 15 minutes without having to prepare? Yeah, real estate, real estate investing. You want to talk about rental properties? I got you. Like, we can definitely do that. But on the inside, I'm like, oh, I was like, what are people going to think about me? And, you know, you worry about that kind of stuff.

How about you, Jonna? What comes up for you around confidence?

Well, with confidence, well, with real estate was Specifically, if you're talking about taking action in real estate, we have a saying that's like, it's, it's only real estate. Nobody died. And I know there's huge potential financial consequences. We've all dealt with them. But also it is real estate. It is temporary. Everything is figureoutable at some level. If you— and real estate's forgiving if you give it enough time. We need to remember that. And you need to— as long as you've done your homework and don't go into it blindly, you know, you've done everything you can do. And then just as far as confidence in general, whether it is pulling the trigger on that rental property or speaking on stage, I do forward pace. What's the worst that can happen? And after I've played all of that out in my head, it's not so bad. And if I trip on stage, it's part of the story. And every hero and every highly paid speaker and people that are out there making a huge example in life, they've all gone through the valleys, right? And you just have to think it's all part of the story. And that makes it more interesting for me and it just makes me feel easier on myself.

I love that.

I'm going to ask this question to you, Jon, and then we'll piggyback on the next person. What's one thing you're excited about that you're working on right now?

I am excited about helping high-income earners really learn how to harness the power of real estate in different forms. We know it looks very different than it did 5 years ago, but I do believe there's some great opportunities there and just The education piece of it. I was a teacher at one time. I'm a teacher at heart, and it's amazing how many people come into my life, and I'm, I know yours too in your wonderful community, that are highly educated but really do not have a clue on how to earn more with their money than a CD in the bank. And when their eyes open up and they know that, that there's more potential for increasing their wealth and giving them options in retirement, it's really exciting for me right now.

Yeah, I love that. That's a shared one. How about you, Dawn? What's getting you excited right now? What are you working on that's exciting?

You know, I've been just trying to really dial in on my own, like, personal finance journey and stuff. I've been using a tool, Projection Lab, to kind of model out various scenarios and figure out, like, you know, how much work do I really need to do? And, you know, okay, if my kids play club volleyball, how does that change the calculus and stuff? And, you know, that's been kind of interesting. Like, I really enjoy, like, the numbers and the spreadsheets and, you know, being really analytical about that kind of stuff. So like, you know, that kind of gets me moving and stuff. But like, honestly, the actual moves that I'm making have been not exciting and they've been much more conservative.

Well, you just got so lit up on talking about the projection lab. So clearly that's exciting to you.

I know.

It's like, I love it.

Spreadsheets and numbers and stuff.

That's exciting.

How about you, Mindy? What's getting you excited right now in terms of a project?

I am writing my first nonfiction book. And that is really exciting for me as well as making time for myself to be able to write. Again, it had to go in my calendar. If it's not in my calendar, it's not gonna happen. So getting used to using a calendar is actually really exciting for me cuz now it's, I'm not playing defense, I'm playing offense, or I will be once I get really used to using that calendar. But like just making time for myself doesn't really sound like such a big deal, but it's a huge deal because for so long I was just putting out fires, and now I'm actually looking forward to things instead of just, well, what is today gonna throw at me?

I love that. How about you, Brennan?

Yeah, I'll just say, Mindy, I, I feel that so much. Like, making time for yourself is, is everything, and I was terrible at that for a long time. So it feels good to carve out some time to focus on yourself and your wellness.

We're really—

or what I'm really excited about is So our company builds workforce housing in partnership with the city of Philadelphia, which makes homeownership available to individuals that otherwise would be locked out of such opportunity, at least in the city of Philadelphia. And we are working on some potential partnerships that are going to allow us to scale this thing to like another level. And it's— we're not there yet, but I'm really excited about like the conversations that are taking place and the organizations that that are able to make an impact in the city and feel really good about the potential of bringing those organizations together with our ability to build the product to make homeownership available to even more people. I just love, like, our favorite thing is like watching a homebuyer leave our office with the keys to a new house that they never ever, like, in their wildest dreams thought they could buy. So having found this opportunity where, like, we've been grinding it out in real estate for a really long time, And it's always been fun and like exciting, but finding this middle point where we get to make an impact in the community and do the real estate investing that we have always loved is, is a really fun and exciting thing for us.

Fulfilling, right? So we're, we're gonna wrap it up here with a question that I heard in another podcast.

I'm like, I'm gonna copy.

So, so basically talks about balancing self-development and really being okay where where you're at. We're all here, very high achievers, and we're always looking to evolve. So for you guys in particular, how do you balance that out? What is something that you are working on and what is something that you're like, I actually am good here? Where are you at with that? Let's start with you, Brendon.

I mean, there's so much more that I need to learn. The opportunities are endless. So I'm a reader. I have a stack of books, you know, next to my bed and it's just a matter of like churning through those. But I will say that I do less on like the networking front than I was never a huge networker to begin with, but I do less of that. I probably could do more and I'm more just focused on like learning from the people around me and being open to, you know, again, there's plenty of blind spots that I have and skill sets that aren't my core competency and just leaning on leveraging others that have those abilities is the way I fill those gaps. So I'm not, I'm never going to become a marketing genius. I'm never going to become a sales genius, but we have people, you know, on our team that we can lean on to fill those gaps. So it's just trying to hone in on the things that I feel like are my core competency and become stronger and stronger at those and letting the other things go. We just can't be a master of all things.

How about you, Mindy?

Figuring out what my definition of enough is was key to me balancing my self-development with being okay where I'm at. And I look at my family and I look at my financial position and I look at my amount of free time and I realize that I do have enough and now I'm not chasing the next thing. I'm writing a nonfiction book because I want to write a nonfiction book. I've got it, like, it's all in my head. I just have to get it out on paper. And if I sell zero copies, that's okay. I wrote the book. And if I sell a billion copies, that'd be cool too. But if I don't, I'm totally fine with, like, not even finding a publisher and putting it up on, like, Amazon self-publish and selling absolutely no copies. And I'm totally okay with that. And it's not going to be ready for, like, and a half, so don't get excited. But because I have enough, I have enough love in my life, I have enough money that I will never need to work again or do things that take me away from the people that I want to spend time with. And I think that most people who are like, oh, I don't know how I'm going to fit it all in, are not really sure what enough means to them.

That's a good concept for another book, Mindy. Put that on your next book to write, huh?

I was going to say that.

I see it.

I see that too.

I'll write your phone.

Wait, let me write it before you release this.

We'll cut it out.

Or add a character in your book that has something to do with that.

It wouldn't fit into this book, but I've got more books in me.

What kind of book are you writing?

It's a murder mystery.

Look at you. Love it.

Love it.

How about you, Jonna?

You know, I was reflecting on that. I think especially when we were all in our mastermind together, I don't know if it was just me, but I feel like there was such a rush on personal development and we were all doing it like it was our job. And, or at least I was. And there was, you know, I think it's awesome, but Miracle Morning and all of the things to do all this. And it was a little tiring. And I have less, I've taken my foot off the gas so much on that. And one thing that I'm doing right now that I'm finding I really like is just to really identify those one or two things I really wanna learn in a quarter, and then focusing on that and being okay with putting all the other motivational speakers and stuff. They're amazing, but I can put them to the side. And right now I'm learning something you guys have mastered is this, like, how to make a better podcast. And so I'm listening to podcasting episodes on podcasting and different things that are really tactical right now as far as my personal development. And I think you can go overboard. And I see that even with a lot of new investors, they just get so into the weeds with all of the personal development that they don't take action. And so that's something to be aware of. But just focus on a couple of things. We don't have to boil the ocean.

I love that. I love that so much because I think sometimes we hear and we want to have that that, you know, that to-do list, and then we get frustrated with the never-ending. Ladies, we gotta do this more in person. I feel we have so many more questions here. So lovely to see you, and it's an honor to have you in our lives and to see how you evolved. We want to continue building that relationship with all of you as we grow older. So thank you so much for taking the time to be here today.

Yes.

Yeah, it's good. It's great to see you all. Lovely to like reconnect and I agree, it would be good. It'd be nice to do a checkpoint every now and then.

Thank you for giving us the opportunity to be in the mastermind in the first place, because I think, I know it was very transformative for each and every one of us, and I'm glad that others through your group have this opportunity.

Thank you for listening. I hope you found today's conversation valuable. And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. And share this with the women in your life that needs to hear it. I'll see you next week.