Episode 100: Celebrating 100 Episodes of BIO from the BAYOU – Building a Biotech Community

Today we celebrate new sound effects and our 100th episode.

And at the end, we'll have a surprise.

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Hello and welcome back to Bio from the Bayou. I'm James Zanewicz, the Chief Strategy Officer at Tulane Medicine and one of your hosts.

And I am Elaine Hamm, the Executive in Residence at Tulane School of Medicine, the other host. And today is our 100th episode of Bio from the Bayou podcast. Crazy. You know, I feel like we need a little like trumpets or something there to announce that.

I can edit them in.

Don't you have sound effect buttons? Oh, I do.

I do.

Ian has sound effect buttons.

Wait, let's see what happens. So hopefully at this point we've added some cool sound effects. Not that one.

No, not laughter. Oh, that one works.

That works.

There we go.

Woo! Applause.

We've never, we've never used these in the podcast at all.

No, we haven't. You used 3 of them at once.

Exactly.

And only one was proper.

I think you've been holding out on me in that you've had sound effects this whole time and now I can start using them and I'm really excited.

He has 8 and they're colored, but they don't say what they are. You just have to randomly guess.

Unfortunately. All right.

But anyway, what are we going to do?

Sound effects. Oh, we're recording, aren't we?

We are. We're going to remember. So, Elaine, I thought today what we might do, because Ian told me this is what we're going to do, so it's why I thought it. We're going to remember how we started talking about some of our favorite episodes, some of the things going on, all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, let's do it. All right. Just overwhelmed by the number of episodes. Yeah, take us back, actually, because I haven't always been here. and a part of the Biohazard podcast. Oh, I know. So why don't you—

I guess the OG days are here.

Take us way back. Yeah, let's go. What's our origin story, James?

Uh, the pandemic.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, 'cause we, we, so I'll be honest, we had a, an EDA grant that was designed to bring the community together and we were going to do events and things and that did not happen obviously because you couldn't get together because, you know, COVID and madness. So we, we had to figure out how to do something with that. And, you know, what else do you do in this time when you don't know what to do and you just do a podcast? And so I went and got podcast equipment and a really great podcast board that apparently has had sound effects that Ian's been holding out on you on.

That he's been holding out on us.

And, uh, we got that equipment and then eventually figured out how to put this podcast together. And our first episode dropped in May of 2022.

Wait, so wait, the pandemic started in 2020 and then we got our episode out in 2022?

Yeah, there was equipment and then there was time. I'm gonna blame our producer, Ian. I wasn't there.

Oh, you're the best.

I think it's, I think it's that we actually hired Ian full-time around that point. And that's when we actually had someone to help us do the podcast. 'Cause I'm not, I'm not running the soundboard, girl.

I mean, that's kind of the thing. I mean, everyone's like, oh, podcasting is easy.

Like, it's not.

It's not. What we do is easy, but what Ian does on the back end is very, very challenging. And, you know, figuring out how, who, you know, should be our guests and booking them and coming up with topic maps, but also all the editing and posting and all of that that goes into it. It's a lot.

Yeah. And wrangling, you know, back in, back in the original days before you were even a host, we just had you kind of as a guest occasionally. We had Patrick Reed, Sharon Courtney, Nicole Honoré, Kenesha Akinpalumi. And then one of my favorites was after you were a host, Carolyn Stofield stole a hosting episode from you by shoving you aside.

That's all right.

I mean, didn't she basically shove you out of the room? She was like, Ryan's my friend, I'm doing this one.

You need to go. Yeah, thank you very much. Um, but she did it in the nicest Carolyn way possible, so she—

Always, always.

Yeah, yeah. But I took the hint. But yeah, so I mean, it's been really interesting to join in, uh, to Elaine. I feel like I've kind of come in halfway through, I mean, of our podcast, much like you do at a party, but you haven't left early. Yeah, I was like, when, at what point do I just ghost everybody and fade back into the back? Hey, where did Elaine go?

Please don't do this, Elaine. I couldn't handle it.

You turn around and I'm gone and I haven't said goodbye to anybody.

So. There's just an empty microphone.

That's right. And tumbleweed blowing across. Well, let's talk about how far we have come. So that was the olden days. So.

We have people emailing us and asking to be on the podcast now, which is crazy. Like people are like, hey, that's a great podcast for my platform. I want to be on. Or we have PR folks pitching their clients to us. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. It's honestly super helpful for me cuz I, uh, I don't have to look for guests now. They just kind of come to us.

It's very nice. And then we don't have to be smart all of the time. We can all wait. Yeah.

I know. Yeah.

Well, then we started kind of becoming a big girl podcast. We got a new logo.

Mm-hmm.

We had strategy for posting, which you don't think that there's a strategy for releasing podcasts, but there's so much that goes into it. Ian, why don't you give us a little bit of what it takes?

Yeah, I mean, we worked with a company to help kind of understand how podcasts work and it like, it's, it's, there's a lot more, there's a lot more thought that goes into it than I thought there would be. You know, you want to post consistently. And so we started doing, you know, Wednesdays specifically every week and making sure that we have enough content to keep doing that. And it grows the brand. Like we, we have grown over, over the past year or so, pretty significantly. I mean, it, we used to have only like 100 downloads a month. Now we're getting to 500. And now this month we actually had over 1,000 downloads, which was, which was great. Woo!

Woo!

We've arrived.

And not, not all of those were my mother, just because she would have no idea how to like down— podcast? What's a podcast?

And zero of them were your husband, because we didn't mention him this month.

Yeah, no, we didn't. I did make him listen to our last one, and he, he said he enjoyed it, and he, he's pretty honest with me. Um, my mother did tell me when she listened to the one podcast I sent her that I laugh too much. I was like, thanks, Mom. Oh, there I go again.

Does she blame me? You're like, well, Jimmy Z made me. It's his fault.

I mean, he makes me laugh. I have to, I have to smile always. He's a mean boss. No, he's not. Not at all. Um, so we've really kind of grown into our own, I feel like. And yeah, well, let's think back. What are our— what are your favorite episodes?

Gosh, I have so many. Well, the first one, obviously. I had no idea what I was doing. But it's, you know, it's a favorite retrospective cuz I go back, I cringe listen to it now cuz I went and listened to it the other day and I was like, oh wow, we have come a long way. We're actually, yeah, we're actually much better now. Back then we're like, we're just gonna talk about things and see how it goes. And now, you know, we have a plan. We have Ian who prepares us with more or less a, a like panel packet for every podcast with notes and information and all the great stuff. One of my all-time, all-time favorites, going back to a deep dive, Elaine, it's one of the first ones you and I did together, was episode 10. on family offices where we talked about the Elite Global. And that's one that, you know, I think still holds up.

Yeah.

'Cause family offices, and, and it perhaps is even more relevant 'cause it used to be that family offices wouldn't provide, you know, their money into investment funds and the investment funds would invest in companies. But now they're doing it more directly 'cause they want the direct impact. They see the value, they see that they can get a better return by not going through an intermediary. So it's, it's really interesting. And I think that's one to call out to people that maybe dive back into the archives. But, but you and I fell into that world in a bizarre way and have gotten very engaged with Neil Green and his team there at Elite.

Yeah.

And it's just, it was cool to talk about that one.

Yeah, no, I agree. Because, and it was even as an entrepreneur that fundraises all the time, you don't— I wasn't certainly thinking about family offices as a potential source of capital for biotech because I was like, you know, how often do they want to invest in biotech? Because it's a risky business. So it was very, very eye-opening. So being able to talk about that was And help other entrepreneurs learn that source of capital is always a good thing. All right. What else? What else has been really successful?

What's one of yours or Ian's? I can't do all the work.

Oh my gosh. Um, 2 good ones.

I see what you're doing here. You didn't do your homework and you're trying to put it all on us.

Well, I'll let Ian think about his favorite episode. I think one really fun episode was Tari and Kenesha, which that was interesting because like we didn't have one of us, one of the usual hosts on there. We just kind of let them go and it was really, really fun. And I think the other one is a more recent one. It was the one that I actually just listened to this week, which was the branding one that we did.

It's one of my favorites.

And I like that. I love that one. And I think it's because I feel like we finally got comfortable in front of the microphone in a lot of ways where we're actually a little— I tend to just get a little more zipped up when I have to like be in business girl mode and professional. And that's not always fun to listen to and it's not really authentic as we talk about branding. But I felt like the branding one ironically was where we were both really authentic and It was a good lesson for me of just like, be yourself even on a podcast. Like, let people know who you are because that's what they're going to relate to.

So.

I think the thing I love about doing the ones just with you and why I love that one is, you know, we, I think you and I are both very real about who we are as people at this stage of our lives where, you know, in our, in our mid and late 20s, as the case may be, as we've grown into ourselves because we're still both very young, but have— Ian is smirking and he's trying, he's trying not to laugh. Yeah. Where's the laughter? Yeah, but you know, it's— there we go. It is that we've gotten just so comfortable with, I think, who we are as people and brought that to the podcast. And that is who you are as your brand. And once you're more comfortable with yourself, even with the imposter syndrome that we all still have, like you, you feel more comfortable sharing your stories.

I think the imposter syndrome is a big piece of it because you just are like, why on earth would anyone want to download a podcast and listen to me pontificate about stuff? And, and so I think I approached our, you know, first few episodes like that, of just like, are you sure you want to listen to what I have to say? And maybe, maybe I still don't have reassurance on that, but, you know, at least you and I listen to it.

But you're going to say it anyway, so it's fine.

Yeah, right, exactly. And then I think of all of those podcasts that are out there, I'm like, why would anyone listen to that? And they get thousands upon thousands of downloads. So we're doing okay.

And we got 1,000 this month, so we're right there.

Yeah, perfect.

We're getting it.

We're getting out there. Actually, the imposter syndrome is part of why I like the Tariq and Aditya episode. That's one of my favorites as well that I wanted to mention is like, they talk a lot about how to have relationships between corporate and academia, but they talk about it from a perspective of, you know, don't be afraid to get a seat at the table. Don't be afraid to make a seat at the table for yourself. And that's— it was inspiring to me while I was sitting down and recording it with them.

Well, I think it's been fun watching you, Ian, get more and more comfortable as we pull you on microphone. And your seat at the table is quite present now, and I like it.

Oh, well, thank you.

I love it. Yeah, no, my husband— it's my favorite part. My husband said that he likes it when Ian comes in.

Oh.

Not just because his name is also Ian.

That's because his name is also Ian.

Come on.

And because it's not us.

He's also an Ian that loves Dungeons and Dragons.

Yes.

Yes.

We've got a lot in common.

Absolutely.

Yeah, well, I have, I have another recent favorite that I'll talk about. One is episode 93, just because I got Elaine to say, Wonder Twin powers activate. Just if you just listen to the first 10 seconds, and then she goes, oh God, because she hated it so much. And Ian left it in, which was brilliant. But the other I was going to talk about was Adam Goodkoff in episode 88, where we talked about medfluencers. And I had texted him. I had a side story for him the next time I saw him, but I'm going to tell it on a podcast. One of our our dear mutual friends of all of us, Sharon, reached out to me after listening to that one, and she's like, "So what's up with Adam?" I'm like, "Oh, he's just a really great guy, really great guest." She goes, "No, what's up with Adam? You two have a rapport." I'm like, "Well, Adam's very straight and getting married to his beautiful fiancée very soon." She goes, "Oh, well, you all just had a connection." It's like it is nice though because we I think we have made connections with a lot of our guests and. I feel like we've gotten into that easy rhythm, but it's funny that people can sense that through the podcast and then make accusatory statements.

Yeah. Or, or try to set you up, apparently.

I, I'm like, yeah, that's never gonna work out. But, um, so, so I am available and, you know, I could, I could use a husband. If anyone out there wants to apply, you can go through Elaine or Ian to get to me. I'll put it in the show notes.

We could have a spinoff podcast where it's like, date my friend James.

On a podcast? Oh my God. Then we can become a Netflix show. I like this.

And then you can just give all the tea of all of your dates and how they go.

So. Went, went, left 5 minutes into it. Went, went, went, went, went, went home and sat and watched YouTube videos.

Because it turns out intensely introverted. And I think that was another episode that I really liked, isn't it? We talked about, I mean, this is the one that I get people coming up to me and saying that they really liked. It was like the how to, almost like how to network as an introvert episode. I think that that's. something that really resonated with people too. I mean, not, not a surprise. I mean, my gosh, we talk about biotech and science and AI. All of those things attract a lot of people that are introverted. So I think it was really helpful to kind of provide some tricks that we have done in our lifetime. How do you do it when you really— it's, it's a lot.

And a lot of people probably don't realize that a lot of these podcasts, either you're remote or you and the guests are remote, and Ian and I might be in the studio together, But we have had, and some of the favorites, and Taryn Kenesha was one of these, but when we did our first onsite podcast during BIO on the Bayou, the conference, which is October 28th and 29th of this year in New Orleans, go to bioonthebayou.com to sign up now.

Always, always be plugging.

Yeah, always, always be plugging. But we have like Mark Melandra from CZI on episode 20, Caitlin Barrett from the Milken Institute on episode 21, and one of our other dear, dear friends, Kirsten Loita, talking about the Equalize program. And they were all— it was great to be able to sit in the room with your guests because there's just a little, sometimes a little more magic in person.

Well, and when you and I sit together, we sometimes, we also have a glass of bourbon in front of us.

Ian calls that magic in quotes. He's like, he's like, can you just get it done?

Well, it turns out there's, there's a reason why we had it. I mean, it's a professional reason that bourbon helps.

I mean, when I— back in the day, I don't know if we shared this on the podcast or not, but when I worked for the TV show Extra, one of the voiceover guys— Extra, extra, see all about it. That was the old tagline they haven't used in years because it was on TV.

I'm sorry, it's stuck in my head.

So you could see it. But one of the former voiceover guys who voiced over the commercials would always do a shot of whiskey before he went in the booth because it lubricates your vocal cords. And so you don't keep drinking and get drunk. You just do like one little shot.

Oh, well, maybe that's why.

Did you not stop? Is that the problem, Elaine? Is that why those were so much fun?

But yeah, just a shot of—

Whiskey will actually warm your vocal cords up and give you kind of that deep podcast voice like Dr. James McLaughlin.

The very deep, sexy evening radio Delilah voice. Well, I love that we're justifying that whiskey can do it better than any other thing, like, you know, water or tea. But I was here for it because I was a little nervous. So, I mean, liquid courage is always good.

Yeah, it helps calm the nerves.

Absolutely. I mean, I went into my general exam before I did my general exam for to get my PhD, I was so nervous I wanted to throw up. So I was like, you know what? I'm taking a shot before this. And it helped a lot. So here we are. That's our professional advice. Take a shot. Don't, we're just kidding.

Please don't take a shot.

Remember, we're the PhD, not, not a medical organization.

All right, let me, let me throw Elaine a lifeline. We've had a lot of investors come on the podcast too.

Yes, we've had one of whom wants to become a friend of the pod, which is gonna be a new category down the road.

We announced that's a thing, right? Who, who was our first friend of the pod, Elaine?

Travis Manesco is now friend of the pod. So, um, I don't know what that means yet. We'll figure that out, uh, of what that looks like.

I, I feel like I've broken you because you would never have done something like this before me. And now you're like, hey, we'll just call it this, then we'll figure out what it means. You would never do that before. You would've had a whole plan.

Oh, oh, honey, I have been in startups long enough to know that like the best plans are the ones that kind of come up, you know, organically. So.

I'm so glad Ian has that recorded and I can use that against you in the future now. Be like, but Elaine, bing! I want to have that on my phone.

I have so many things recorded between the two of you.

Yeah. And that's what we also learned this week is that Ian needs to keep recording because I'm still not as comfortable on the mic as I want to be. And like, once we turn off the mic, you relax and you become your real self. And that's when you like some of the best things have come out of. And so. Ian might continue to record after we— he said that he stopped recording just to get some of the more real—

Just for extortion purposes.

What else? Anything that you've learned from this experience?

Oh my God, I think I've learned just a— there was an old Archie comic book back at you, back in the day, and—

I love Archie Comics.

Okay, so, so here's what I think I wish I'd thought about, and I thought about this as I was thinking about this and what we've learned, and one is just, you know, to treat it like a conversation and be comfortable. It's no different because there's a microphone. And I remember there was an old comic book where they had one of the characters who— she could talk a lot, so they threw her on the radio and she just sat there silently. And then they gave her a microphone shaped like a phone, because this is back when you talked on the phone, and she would talk into the phone nonstop like it was a conversation. And I think it's just treat— you know, many people like Elaine hate to talk on the phone now, but sometimes I make her.

Exactly.

I still like talking on the phone, so I treat it like that, like I'm just chatting with friends.

Yeah, well, when you call me, you're usually on your way home, so I know that I'm just here to entertain you on your commute.

So— Always around to entertain. And you also know that you can be like, okay, you're getting out of the car now. Bye. And you have the end of the video. Yeah, bye.

I'm done with this. Yeah, that is true. It is a nice finite end to a conversation. And when you get home, you're going to get off the phone. So perfect. Well, the other James in my life does the same thing. My brother does the same thing. I can tell when he's commuting home because he calls me. I was just like, okay, that's all right.

But you don't answer other times of the day.

You are listening to it during the commute as well. Exactly.

And so, Elaine, what is, what is up for the future of Bio from the Bayou?

Well, apparently friends of the pod, which let's talk about the future as you—

Oh, are we doing it now?

I think we're here now. You might have to transition from host to friend of the pod.

Friend of the pod. Yeah, guys, I'll be friend of the pod. I'll still come back and visit with, of course, Elaine and Ian always.

Yes, please.

But I am, I am moving to be the CEO of Connect in San Diego and super, super excited. We'll probably be establishing a podcast there as well, the amazing Trey and Kylie on the team there. We're already brainstorming on how we do it, looking at Bio from the Bayou as a template. But, you know, they do startups and investors, so similar but adjacent, because they, in addition to biotech and health, are in defense, in climate, in tech. And so I think they could be really great sister podcasts where maybe we do little crossovers once in a while or something. That would be fun.

Ooh, okay, I like that. I was like, are we gonna be competing? Is it gonna be Baja versus Bio from the Bayou?

Wait, I immediately started collaborative, but I see where you went.

I have this many downloads and you have this many.

That's right.

Throw it in my face. 100%. Are you gonna be the Frasier of this Cheers?

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, so sad, but, you know, very excited because it's an amazing opportunity, amazing team. It's an organization that as a young professional I looked up to. They would walk in the room and everyone would hush up and listen to what they had to say. And I'm excited to to help them and work with the team there to, to re-envision it for the 5th decade. They're starting their 5th decade. This is their 40th year. So it's a fun time and getting to go out and be with— Tari lives there, Mike Rondelli, like many, many friends or past guests of the podcast live there. So maybe it's the podcast's fault that I'm going there. So it's your fault, Elaine. You did the podcast with me and we met people and then this happened.

Yeah, no, this is true. And when I saw the job that you— I encouraged you to apply for it and that's to my own detriment. So no one to blame but myself. And I'm sad to see you. I mean, of course, we're gonna continue to talk. Whether someone's gonna be recording us or not, it's a different story. Probably not, just to, you know, keep us out of jail. But we're really sorry to see you go, but this is really a role that you're born for.

So what are you gonna do without me?

Oh, boy.

Are you gonna make Ian co-host with you? Is Ian gonna have to be on the mic more?

Yeah, yeah.

Surprise, Ian!

We'll see.

We'll see.

Surprise, you're now the new co-host. Or my other Ian in my life, we could just transition into a wine and drugs podcast. There you go.

So, you know, I'm down for that.

Is he gonna come on a podcast? Other Ian?

He's been mentioned enough.

I know, but I don't know that he'd be— he might be like, meh, not doing that.

Uh, no, he, he was a theater major, so he's all about that life.

So he'd be able to wave at the microphone.

I think you should, you should, you should do a drugs and alcohol episode.

Well, it is funny that you mentioned how we started as a podcast. It's when we thought about doing a podcast too, 'cause we opened a wine bar during the pandemic and that was a nightmare. And like one of the things we thought about was doing a podcast about Wined as a way to reach people because we were shut down. We also thought about doing a podcast of things we hate, so because we're both grumpy.

I was like you would fill 365 podcasts a year.

We just need sponsors now; that's all.

So, I mean, if you're talking about things you hate, they're they're probably not likely to sponsor you.

Well, that's true.

They don't want to be mentioned.

You're leaving.

Oh wow! What a great segue! You hate that nice.

I hate that, but I'm this is such an exciting role for you, and you're going to do incredible. things there, just like you've done incredible things here. I mean, you got me to come back to academia, which was never on my bingo list, bingo card. So it's been really a pleasure to work with you at Tulane, not just on this podcast, but on all of the many things that we've done at Tulane.

That's because I think of our leadership here, like Dr. Lee Hamm, our dean, who— no relation to you. Everyone always thinks they're related. They're not. 0%. But Lee is and has been an incredibly visionary and supportive senior vice president of the university and dean of the School of Medicine and allowed us to, to do these weird things that he would never have probably thought of doing or thought were smart, but have done really great things for us. He's like, he's like, you think it's good? Go ahead, try it. And some of these things have worked out really well for Tulane because he gives us that freedom and flexibility and support.

Yeah, that's the thing that I love about working with Tulane is because you are allowed to play a little bit and it's not the typical sort of stodgy giant academic institution that does it the same way they've always done it. And so So I've really enjoyed being here, and I have you to thank for that. So yeah.

And for people who want to meet you in person and learn more about that, again, Bio on the Bayou, October 28th and 29th, 2025. You can come meet Elaine in person. Hopefully my schedule will work where I'll be able to come back as well.

But we're working on that.

So Patrick Reed from Auburn now is always here for that. Ganesh Ikinpulimi from Xavier. There's a whole host of folks that they get to meet in person, and they can— a lot of these characters they've listened to on the podcast, they can come see real life in person and realize, wow, they are the same.

It's like Comic-Con but without the costumes.

Although, Comic-Con for biotech last year, right by Halloween. So you could come to New Orleans, have Halloween in New Orleans.

Costumes encouraged. So, and maybe we'll get James to arrive in costume too.

So you never know.

Yeah.

And as we spiral into nothingness, Ian's probably like, we're out of time.

Yeah, I was like waiting for Ian's wrap it up.

Oh, he's sort of been giving it to me, but not to you.

I was planning to actually pop in here and say we should start wrapping up.

Are there any cool sound effects for wrapping up that you have?

Oh boy.

What are ones you haven't tried yet?

Let's see.

That's it! Many, many thanks to our incredible listeners for all of your support over apparently the many, many years that we have been operating as a podcast. And of course, many, many thanks and sad goodbyes to— well, not goodbye.

Never goodbye.

Just see you next time to our friend of the pod and former host, James.

So, sorry.

Although we'll confuse people. I think we still have a couple prerecorded that'll drop after this. Yeah, we'll have a couple more. So you're done with me in time, but not in recordings yet.

Haha! Oh, can't get rid of you yet. You'll come back to haunt us. I love that.

Yeah. And I guess that's the one thing we should talk about too, which I don't think we've thanked all of our guests because— Our podcast is only as good as the guests we have on. And the people who believed in us in the early days when we had like, you know, 5 or 10 downloads and still came on, like we had some heavy hitters who agreed to come on and they really have made it fun. They've made it incredible. And I'm looking forward to listening to your next 100 episodes. Yeah.

Which you'll be a part of.

Of course.

In spirit.

Because you told me that I'm going to do whatever you tell me. And I said, yes, ma'am.

Perfect way to wrap up.

Ian, any last words from you?

Live Mas.

It truly is a beautiful thing. And I hate it.

I don't know if I can leave you two unsupervised. I'm sorry.

Uh, there is that.

Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately.

I mean, if I'm the grown-up in the room, it's a problem.

Too many lanes cause problems for sure. So, well, again, this couldn't be possible without all of our amazing listeners. And so please, when you see us at events, come up and talk to us. Even if you've never met us, we'd love to. It just makes my day to know that other people have listened to this podcast. And so, So we hope that you continue to with that.

How do we wrap up? Oh, check out our show notes.

Are we going to have any? I don't think we have any links.

Why would we not link to the episodes we talked about? No, we have so many links. Ian's been writing down like crazy. He's like, I did not take all these notes for nothing, Elaine Hamm. His face when you said that, we don't have any links. He's like, oh.

I'm always writing stuff down.

You may not have links. He's like, I have links.

Okay, well, if you got links, they'll be there in our show notes.

And Wonder Twin powers deactivate.

Oh.

Oh, that's so sad. I know.

That hurts my heart. That just occurred to me.

I didn't even plan that.

Oh, Wonder Twins.

Wonder Twins.

Oh my God!

We suck at this.

You can't hear it.

That's probably it.

They're obviously deactivated. All right.

Thanks again to all our listeners, and keep an eye out for Bio on the Bayou returning October 28th and 29th. And we'll see you next time on Bio from the Bayou.

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