From Cancer To Crypto: A Journey of Awakening & Financial Freedom | Gven Sariol

Gwen, my friend, I'm really excited for this podcast. First of all, you're on the other side of the world and it's 9:00 AM my time. I never do podcasts at this hour. So, this is the earliest one I've done. But it's worth it because you're a cryptocurrency expert, a thought leader in the space. But aside from that, you've done a lot of really interesting things. And, you know, you've survived cancer, you've traveled, you've done meditation retreats. And, you know, I like to talk about all that kind of stuff on this podcast. I'm really excited, my friend. Thank you so much for coming on.

Yeah, thanks for having me, brother. And I'm glad that I'm the first to wake you up and do this thing early.

Yeah, it's totally worth it for me. I was looking forward to this last night too. So it wasn't too hard. I want to start out talking a little bit about your personal life, your growth, both personally and spiritually and things like that, and understand you a little bit more. And then I want to move the conversation into cryptocurrency. And, you know, both learn myself and provide knowledge to the listeners. So can you tell me a little bit about like your travels and kind of what prompted you to start traveling and like where you've been, like things like that? Can you just give me a little bit of background on that?

Yeah. So just a little background on myself. Even before that, I was actually in the law for about 18 years. I managed law firms and lawyers. Um, and I wasn't a lawyer. And so that always kind of like bothered me, but I didn't want to become a lawyer. And around, uh, 2018, in August of 2018, I end up having like stomach problems and I was in the middle of a divorce and all sorts of stuff. And I go to a doctor and the doctor does a colonoscopy and pulls me out like within 5 minutes of the colonoscopy and literally just goes like, uh, we found something. And I'm like, uh, like cancer? And he goes, yeah. It was not like— it wasn't even like, well, we're sending it in for a biopsy or anything. It was just like, yeah. And it was kind of like the movies where you hear like ringing in your ear. And there was like 4 days that You know, I felt like I was gonna cry, but I couldn't cry. And I fell deep into like this really kind of meditative state on that 4th day. And before that, I didn't know if I really wanted to live anymore. I mean, I didn't have kids. I was 38 years old. Uh, I had some money, but I was, you know, getting the shit sued out of me by my ex-wife. And I was just like, well, what do I have to live for? And I went to bed and there was like this voice that came to me. And I, I, some people are probably gonna think I'm nuts, but it was like, essentially like the reason that I was in this state was because everything in my life was toxic. The food that I ate was toxic. I was in great shape, but I beat the living heck outta my body as a cyclist. I would eat horrible food. And I ended up asleep after this voice comes to me. And I woke up the next day, man, and it was like a weight had been lifted off of my shoulder. And that was kind of like my awakening. While my problems didn't go away overnight, I started making some big decisions in my life that eventually about a year and a half after that happened, I mean, I kind of had another little breakdown and I was like, I felt like I was getting back into like this old, like self that I was in where I was working way too hard. I was pushing my body way too hard, albeit I wasn't drinking any alcohol or like keeping my mind really clean. And I was doing a lot of meditating. It was like, I knew I needed to get out. And so I literally went to my business partners and I said, you guys, I gotta get out. Like literally, like, I'm like, I'm gonna die this time. And I said, I need to go away for like a month or longer. And they were cool with it. And so I ended up going to Bali first. And I spent about 10 days there. 6 of them were in a silent retreat. And Jared, let me tell you, like, if you ever really want to get clear on something really fast, go to a silent retreat.

Was this like a vipassana retreat?

No, it was just straight up like in the middle of nowhere. You could meditate if you wanted to, you didn't have to. You could do yoga if you wanted to, you didn't have to. You could read, you didn't have to. But I mean, no electronics. And essentially all the food was from the land there. And so I just spent 6 days in silence. And I actually started a cryptocurrency educational business back in 2018. That I had to stop because I just was doing way too much. And I had taken some information in regards to my crypto just to research while I was gone. And that started like growing in my head at that time. Well, after the 10 days, my mind was super clear. I was in this real meditative state. I ended up going to Russia to work with a holistic doctor out there because I never went through chemotherapy. And I just wanted to make sure that everything was good, that I was, you know, my headspace was right because I really understood how the physical and the mental is so tied together and spiritual.

Did you still have the cancer at this point when you went to Russia?

So I did go through the surgery. It was a 9-hour surgery. Oh my God. The doctor was great. He took— the cancer was the size of a softball. And I had gone 2 years, Jared Goetz, with with these symptoms and I just ignored them.

How did you know you were sick?

Yeah, so, you know, being a colon cancer survivor, you get used to talking about poop a lot. My poop would literally come out like piecey, you know, and for the longest time, and I was kind of doing like a faux ketogenic diet. I wasn't eating like the grass-fed stuff, the good stuff. I was eating kind of the real crappy stuff. And kind of bias about what I would eat and whatnot and drink lots of beer. But what ended up happening was I just thought it was like I was just eating too much fat or something. You know, sometimes there would be a little blood in my stool. I wanna say this because it is funny. After I was diagnosed with cancer, I was very vocal about it, colon cancer, and a lot of people were just like, I'm gonna go get a colonoscopy. And I, I highly recommend that people do. I was 38. And here's the, here's the wild part, Jared. Like, because I was a pretty prominent cyclist, UCI ended up tapping me, which is University of Irvine. They had a pretty robust research center. And so I ended up working with one of the researchers and they had this new test because I had like 5 different doctors go, you need to cut it out and do chemotherapy. And I was like, I'm not doing chemo. Like, I'm not. I almost actually didn't even go through with the surgery, but that's for another story. Anyways, I ended up going to this researcher and there's this new test where they can tell if the cancer is hereditary or if it's environmental. The doctor was like, it's totally environmental. And I had changed my diet all around. I started, I went plant-based. Pretty much plant-based. I'm no longer plant-based fully. I eat a lot more veggies and fruits than I did back then now. But, the doctor said, "Your intuition was correct because, I mean, you would have killed every cell in your body." And, to me, the pharmaceutical companies are just the devil. I mean, they were going to end up making, I think it was something like $89,000 off of me for putting me on chemo. And I was like, "Uh, no," right? And so he was like, "That's really good because it was environmental," meaning it was the voice in my head, right? It was the toxic stuff that I was eating, the level of stress that I was always on. And so it was pretty interesting to see like an actual test that can tell you like, he goes, "If you would've done chemo, the differential of you getting better would've been like 1%." And he's like, That's malpractice. Yeah. So wow.

And not to, not to downplay medicine, but like, you know, doctors go through the system and the system, you know, also is there for profit. So, you know, they're inclined to push you through that system because that's what they think is best.

Right. Well, and look, and I'm not saying like, nobody should go through chemo, like, if you really think that chemo is going to be the right option for you, a lot of this is, is, you know, mental as well, you know, like go through it, right? Like, and so you can't just like rule it all out. I personally am against chemo. Uh, now knowing what I know, I would never do it. I don't even care if they said I have, you know, uh, a 50% chance of living. I've just done a lot of studies in different alternative medicines. I'm not even gonna call them holistics, but like high vitamin C and, you know, doing a real ketogenic diet has just been really proven over the years. And so, I would go to different doctors now and not, you know, not just the typical doctors. In fact, right now I only have emergency medical insurance because I know which doctors to go to and I'm willing to get their opinion as opposed to kind of the systematic doctors that are just gonna, go one size fits all, right?

Did you have any other symptoms aside from your, your poop not being right? Like, did you feel any type of way physically?

You know, they call colon cancer the silent killer for that exact reason. Like, my stomach never really hurt. It was just kind of like this urge to go to the restroom all the time. And so, you know, like I said, if you are in that predicament, like where your stool is not right, you know, probably 50% of the time it's nothing, or it's IBS or something like that. And there's certain things that you can do to really clean that up. But, you know, definitely go get it checked out because, you know, the other 50% might not be good. And, and just because you're 28 or, or 58 doesn't matter. I mean, my surgeon was like, Gavin, we're starting to see more and more guys your ages and younger where before they were like, do a colonoscopy at 50 because it wasn't really that big of a threat. The food is really shitty now, Jared. We're way more stressed now, like inflation going through the roof and we gotta grind and we gotta work hard and we, you know, like—

And consistently being reactive to everything around you all the time.

You are stimulated 110% of the day. And so like, you know, you gotta make those changes to where you gotta put that phone down. And, and trust me, man, like, I can't wait for the day I'm gonna throw my phone in the trash can and I'm gonna go get a flip phone because that's a whole other addiction, right? But, but long and the short of it is, you know, there is so much more these days that can cause cancer than, you know, back in the '80s and the '70s and the '60s. Like, cancer is just like exploding. And this is one of the reasons why I was working with UCI, and I found out that they were, they were really in cahoots with the pharmaceutical companies. And I said, I can't like promote this because, you know, it was almost like meditation is cute and we're going to study it, or the Mediterranean diet is cute and we're going to study it, but you still need the radiation, you still need this, right? And people aren't like asking the real question, which is why the hell has cancer like exploded by 300%, right? Like, I don't know if it's exactly 300%, it's been a while since I've looked at the statistics, but like, why are people getting like more autoimmune diseases than any time in history, right? Why are there more diabetics by X? And you hear about it every single day. Like the rise of this, the rise of that, and then now throwing coronavirus, now throw that into the loop. And I mean, just people are, they're getting sick over and over again, and nobody's going like, let's get to like, why?

Right, right. Yeah, I mean, we're living in a state of fight or flight all the time. I mean, there's so many people that are just watching the news and seeing these statistics, you know, and they're not talking about the good things they're talking about. You know, there's been 700,000 deaths, you know, from this, and people are fearful. I mean, I see people wearing gloves and face shields outside on the street. And what do you think is going on inside of those people's heads? They're fearful, they're scared. And that's what causes disease, that discomfort inside.

Abso-freaking-lutely. I'm sure you've heard this, but it's dis-ease, right? And anyways, here's the thing. So I ended up going to Russia. And I'm only supposed to be in Russia for like 20 or 24 days or something like that. And I'm gonna be working with this doctor that a buddy of mine recommended. And he's like a shaman, right? But like with some tech, he's like a shaman with tech. This dude took me down to my rails. I mean, right now I, I'm probably sitting at about 165 pounds. Like I got down to like 125 pounds, dude.

By just fasting while you were there? Like how, how did that happen?

Kind of. I was eating a lot of fruit and vegetables, um, no meat, and, and I really wasn't eating a lot. And this dude— and I still don't know his name— long and short of it, I ended up working with him for 4 months. I just called him Russian Doctor. He's one of the most compassionate guys I've ever met, but he injected me with all sorts of stuff. He put me through some treatment that made my body and my mind so strong that by the end of it, I like walked out of there like completely fearless of like any disease, you know, like—

What did he put you through?

Dude, it was 3 to 5 hours of treatment per day, 7 days per week for 2 months.

What kind of treatments?

Well, so, all right, I'll give you a few of them because there was a whole bunch. Like he would, He would inject me with something that would literally activate my immune system and teach it how to turn on. And I would get like flu-like symptoms. And this is like in March of 2020, right? During like coronavirus, right when it's starting. And I would be sick for about 4 to 6 hours per day. Like I would burn up. That was every other day. All right. And I would sit there and this drip would have to drip into me for like an hour. Then he would put me in this thing called the Ghidra right after it, which is like kind of like a tall jacuzzi. And it had like a jet, a boat jet inside of it. He would put in all these minerals and vitamins and herbs from the Black Sea and that region. I was in Sochi, Russia, and he would turn the heat up on it and it would get me like, like almost violently ill. And I had to let this jet hit me in the stomach because that's where, that's where the cancer was. And then hit me in the back because it was like activating my nervous system and I would walk out of there. I mean, I didn't know which way was up or down.

Oh my God.

Yeah. And then the next day I would come in, he would literally take a sander with no sandpaper and put a towel over my stomach and would heat my stomach up with the sander. He would hit me with a wooden hammer all over my body. I mean, it was so painful. He would do like real cupping. He actually taught me how to cup, which was really cool. But like, not this cute stuff we have in the United States where the things don't hurt. I mean, this shit fucking hurt. I mean, you could not breathe. And this stuff was pulling out all sorts of ungodly things out of me. The gnarliest one, though, the gnarliest one where he would sit next to me, like we would be on a, like a a table, a medical table, right? And he would sit next to me, he would tilt my neck all the way back. And I don't know if it like pinched a nerve or something. And then he would start stroking like my vagus nerve. And I would go on an astrophysical trip for about 3 minutes. And the first time he did it, I didn't realize what was happening. And it was so painful, but it was like, I could only assume that's what dying felt like. And I didn't know how long I was out for. But it was like doing an intense session of mushrooms, like within 2 minutes, right?

Like, where's your vagal nerve?

It's on your neck, your vagus, vagus nerve. Okay, it's on your neck. And you would be like tapping him out, but he would not let go. He would not let go. And it was like, after the first time, I started laughing for 30 minutes straight because I just didn't I didn't understand what was like, what happened, where I was, who I was, when I was, like nothing. So anyways, it was just a constant amount of different therapies that he personally would do. And I mean, it was real, like compassionate, loving, and sometimes like painful, but like necessary medicine that like, I'm just forever grateful.

Was he just working on you? Or did he have other patients there as well?

No, he had, he had like, like maybe 5 or 6 other patients, like ongoing patients at that time. He had hundreds of patients over time, but I mean, he had cured people from all sorts of different diseases. But at that time, you know, I didn't see more than like 5 or 6 different people. So it was pretty interesting. But anyways, the long and the short of it is I was supposed to be out there for only like 20-some days. Right. And first of all, he's like, look, I need more time with you. I'm not comfortable. Sending you back into the real world. And I mean, it wasn't about money. This guy was— this guy, Jared Goetz, literally charged me maybe, maybe $1,000, maybe $1,000. And it's not because Russians make less. Like, he spent so much time with me and he just truly cared about, like, my being.

So not $1,000 a day, $1,000 total.

Total, dude. And he spent 7 days a week all sorts of different stuff. Like, I don't even think he made any money on me. Like, we had this bond, man. Like, I don't know if you believe in past lives, but like, either I did something for him before that he owed me or what, but like, it was like, at times I'm just like, dude, and I ended up giving him more money in the end because I just was like, thank you. Like, I was so grateful of all the things he had done. But anyways, he kept me there. And all of a sudden I'm like, all right, you know what? I was about to go back to my job in the law. I'm like, I'm going to stay out here. Everybody's working remotely anyways. So I decided to stay out there and I broke out my cryptocurrency information that I had brought with me to Bali that I hadn't gotten into just quite yet. And literally, Jared, within 4 hours, I couldn't stop. I was like on one for 4 hours straight before I took my first break. And I was just reading and on different websites. And I go, holy shit, the crypto market is about to explode. And even gnarlier than 2017, because I was in it in 2017, even gnarlier than 2017 because all these ICOs and all these concepts that we were like buying up back then that weren't ready for like production, they're here. And I'm like, I just went nuts. I went nuts for almost 2 months.

What was that? What was that like, aha? Like this, like what, when did that moment hit you? And like, what made you, okay, I'm diving into this 100%.

So I end up, so I end up signing up for this thing called crypto.com. I'm sure you know what crypto.com is now. It's pretty out there now. I sign up for Crypto.com, I open up the app, and I see that you can stake your money. I look at the US dollar rate that I was getting, and it was 12%. And I'm like, no freaking way, no way. And I didn't really like understand the concept of like DeFi back then. I understood like holding custody of your own crypto. I mean, I had like 3 hard wallets and stuff, but like I was like, you know what, I'd rather put it in Nexo or Celsius or BlockFi or Crypto.com and like earn 6% on my Bitcoin or whatever. But when I saw that, I was like, oh my God. And I start going through the internet and I find this crypto and they're paying 20%. And I'm like, no way. And then I go to the next crypto and that's paying like 56%. I'm like, holy crap. And I started to see how it was working and I started to like really understand how banks and institutional banks and exchanges started to work. And it was all within like 4 hours. It was divine, dude. It was divine.

Because how, how does that work? Like, how could someone afford or how can a network afford to pay 50% on money that it's staking?

Sure. That's a great question. So let's talk about like a decentralized exchange, right? So first, in order to understand a decentralized exchange, you have to understand how a centralized exchange works. So a lot of us know Coinbase or the NASDAQ or the New York Stock Exchange, right? Those are all examples of a centralized exchange. Well, in order for those exchanges to be liquid, all right, so that people can trade, they've got to provide basically two things, especially in the stock market side. You've got to have stocks, and you have to have an equivalent amount of dollars on the other side so that people can trade in and out of stocks into cash and vice versa. Each time that you do that, okay, and that can be crypto as well, right? So you could have a pair of Bitcoin and Ethereum or USDT and Bitcoin, right? So each one of those pairs though, Every time a trade is made, these particular exchanges are making a fee on every single trade. Okay. So for example, I think like Coinbase, when I was in Coinbase, I'm no longer in Coinbase. They were charging like 0.5% or something like that per trade. So these guys are making like billions and billions of dollars. Well, now So that's the centralized aspect, right? Now with DeFi and decentralized exchanges using what are called smart contracts. Okay. So smart contracts are like contracts that are worth money that I have custody of. Okay. And so using a smart contract, I can go to a decentralized exchange, which is a place of commerce where I can exchange cryptocurrencies and I can go, All right, Digital Protocol, I want to put up $10,000 worth of Ethereum and Bitcoin to create some liquidity here so people can trade along with other liquidity providers, right? So I can now deposit my money into a liquidity pool using a smart contract, which the liquidity pool is a pool of money that guys like just you and me, normal day-to-day people, can put in there. and now we make the market and we make the fees that originally the NASDAQ or Coinbase or Binance or whatever makes off every single transaction. And not just that, but these decentralized exchanges have access to the really good cryptos, not the one that our, you know, SEC overlords decide are good for us or not good for us, right? And so what I've been doing now for over a year is teaching literally decentralized finance, where I teach people to connect their hard wallet to what are called liquidity pools, which is where all this money is put so that people can trade in and out. And based on a few things, trading volume and the amount of the liquidity pool that you own, okay, you end up earning a yield. And that yield, you know, like right now, the minimum yield I'm earning on Bitcoin is like 30%. The maximum right now is a little over 100%, And you still get the benefit of the appreciation of the asset. 100%.

I think I'm making like 6%. I staked some of my cryptocurrency.

And that's where most people start, Jared. Like, they're just like, holy crap, like, I'm gonna stake, get 6%. Like, my bank is paying me 0.000025%, you know what I mean? Like, or even on your stablecoins, like, a lot of these platforms will pay you like 12%, 10%. I mean, which is still a really good bargain, but the question I always have for everybody is, is that keeping up with inflation? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. If you take a look at inflation and not what our governmental overlords decide what they want to show us, like I was living in Denver for a year when I got back from Russia. And I saw the market in some places go up by 40% in one year. I can guarantee you that, you know, teachers and construction people and, you know, the guy working at the restaurant did not get a 40% bump in their pay last year. So while that interest rate is great, okay, compared to what you're used to, it still is nothing compared to what you really should be making becoming your own bank, right? And by the way, when you put up your money in BlockFi or whatever, any of these things, and they pay you 6%, guess what they do? Well, they lend it to centralized exchanges such as Binance, Coinbase, KuCoin, etc., and they're making 20%, keeping 14%, and giving you 6%. It's the same trick that the banks used to do. They're just being more generous.

So real quick, can we backtrack? Can you talk about DeFi and can you give a high-level overview of what that is?

Yeah, so DeFi is the ability to become your own bank by custodying your own crypto and also using it for the example that I gave, like using it to put it up as collateral so that other people can either trade peer-to-peer or borrow and lend. Okay, and like, let's say for instance, for me, I'll get into some creative tax things that I'm working on, but like before when I was living in the United States, like in Denver, there are decentralized places where I could put my crypto up as collateral, borrow against it. So like, let's say for instance, I had a lot of Bitcoin, I had a lot of Polkadot, I had a lot of Binance Coin at one point in time. And I didn't want to take profit because I fell below the 1-year, 1-day mark where I was going to get taxed at, uh, my ordinary income level, right, for short-term capital gains. So I said, well, instead of doing that, I'm going to put this up as collateral and borrow against it in dollars or in stablecoins. right? And then I took those stablecoins and either reinvested them or transferred it over to my crypto.com card and started spending the money, right? But here's the thing about DeFi, there's no KYC. So like, for me to put up that money as collateral, there was no KYC, there's no credit checks. It's a matter of connecting my wallet to it, literally depositing my crypto into this smart contract And by the way, the only person who can take this money out is me when my keys are connected to this, my digital wallet is connected to it, right? And I can withdraw the money and then I end up actually making money by borrowing money. I've probably borrowed hundreds of thousands of dollars against my crypto. And Jared, I've never paid one payment ever. Not one single cent have I ever paid back. In fact, I have a negative interest rate because the protocols still use the excess crypto that you don't borrow against, and they pay you an interest rate on that. So even though I've borrowed money and I don't need to pay taxes on them because it's borrowed crypto against my assets, I'm actually making money on this stuff, and I'm hyper-compounding it because I'll roll the money back in and my crypto just keeps growing and growing. And I'm like, no wonder the banks want this stuff to like die and go to hell.

I was going to say, I want to talk about staking. I'm actually genuinely curious, like, how could you safely stake Bitcoin, for example, and make 30% or more on it? Like, how do you do that?

Yeah. So let's say, for instance, I like— well, we're providing liquidity in decentralized exchanges. Now there's your Bitcoin, and then there's, there's like wrapped or like a synthetic Bitcoin, right? So there's this new— well, it's not new, it's over 2 years old now— but wrapped Bitcoin essentially is you send your Bitcoin to a smart contract, because right now the Bitcoin and Ethereum networks don't talk, right? You send your Bitcoin to a smart contract and that smart contract will then go, okay, we received 1 Bitcoin, right, from Jared's address. Well, it automatically will then send a wrapped Bitcoin to your Ethereum address, right? So now I have a wrapped Bitcoin, and then I go into a different blockchain, like let's say, uh, Polygon or Solana or Binance Smart Chain, and I find the different markets that are paying me 30 to, like I said, over 100% because I'm putting it up as collateral so that people could trade that Bitcoin.

So you're basically sending your, your Bitcoin to a smart contract, getting the wrapped Bitcoin which trades on the Ethereum network, and then you're moving that into a different currency that you can stake at a higher percent. Am I understanding that correct so far?

Not a different currency. You're still using the Bitcoin that's pegged to the price of Bitcoin, and then you're using that wrapped Bitcoin to put it into a decentralized exchange. And based off of how much I own of that liquidity pool, or that particular pool where multiple people have put in, and the volume that's being traded on there, I earn a yield.

So even if it's in a liquidity pool that's connected to a different currency that might fluctuate more than Bitcoin, you're still holding the value of your Bitcoin, but you're making a higher yield on it. So what type of decentralized exchange can you do this on?

I mean, you can do it on all the major blockchains now have it. So you have it on Solana, you have it on AVAX, you have it on Binance Smart Chain, you have it on Ethereum. Obviously, Ethereum is where it all started, right? Soon you'll have it on ADA. Soon you'll have it on Polkadot.

So I actually have a nice chunk of Solana. I got into that maybe like 4 months ago and I 5xed it so I can stake Solana and make 30% plus on it.

Solana, you can make way more.

And how though? How do I do that? So I have this Solana. Where do I find these liquidity pools to put it into?

First of all, you got to get your wallet set up, right? And then you transfer the Solana to your wallet. and then what you end up doing is you end up finding the different decentralized exchanges where you can put it up and earn a yield. I just found a new one called Tulip, which you can actually leverage stake. It's so rad. It's so innovative. So it's tulip.garden, tulip.garden. Check it out. But essentially here, let's see. I'm able to make 98.45%.

Are you kidding me?

No, I'm gaven, but this is real. Yeah.

So, and where are you finding this stuff?

I do a lot of research. I actually have analysts now that work for me because I've just gotten so busy with, you know, presentations and podcasts that these guys are doing research for me all day long. And then I present it to students like yourself, right? On Saturday School, which is where I talk about like the new and innovative stuff in DeFi where you can make like just crazy yield. I mean, I got my ear to the ground and I have a lot of friends that we all got into crypto back in 2017. A lot of them are influencers and they're just— we just network with each other, man. We network with each other and we, we help each other out.

Cool. So one question I always get from like family members and people that have been watching this Bitcoin boom on the news, things like that. A lot of people think it's too late to get in, like they missed it. What are your thoughts on that?

We're like literally just at the beginning. I mean, I would say we're in the second or third inning.

So what do you see like long-term best-case scenario, worst-case scenario in this space?

If you're getting in now, with any amount of money, I would say you're definitely on a trajectory to become a millionaire.

Wow, wow. Yeah, this conversation makes me want to put a lot more of my energy into the pool of cryptocurrency I have and how to use it to make more and kind of where to go next. This is extremely interesting.

Yeah, in fact, we have a slogan at our company, which is, "Don't speculate, accumulate." And that's the truth. I mean, why am I going to be— sitting there and charting and setting stop losses when I can just sit there, walk away, and just pull out my dividends on a weekly basis and go spend them or reinvest them or do whatever.

I, every time I try to trade and speculate the market, I lose every single time.

I don't care if you're getting signals. I mean, I've done signals, and by the way, I'm actually pretty good at trading. I was teaching a trading bot for a company called Bitsgap before, and I was making tons of money. And this wasn't in like a raging bull market, but It's a gamble. It's a gamble in my opinion. And I'd rather like err on the side of caution and be in a much more secure, lucrative investment than just like, all right, well, support and resistance and stop losses, and then your stop loss gets triggered and then it bounces and goes to the moon, right? So it's just, it's just a losing proposition to me.

So what do you think is going to happen with the US dollar over the next few years and maybe 10 years and longer?

You know, man, one of two things. They're going to keep printing money and it's going to keep dwindling down to nothing, which I think is probably the most reasonable thing that I think is going to happen because, you know, and I'm not a Republicrat or a Demopublican. I just kind of like whatever about politics now, but they all print money like crazy. But I think that they've got to keep printing money now. Otherwise it's like hitting a wall going 500 miles an hour. But let's say that doesn't happen and we get somebody in office or Biden changes his mind or whatever. And they're like, you know what, we got to stop this hyperinflation. And they end up hiking up interest rates and turn the money printer off. You know, we're probably going to go through 2 of the hardest years ever. Because, you know, when you look at real estate— and this is why I'm not really invested in United States real estate— but when you look at United States real estate and you look at the United States stock market, it's a derivative of cash. So the second you stop pumping cash into that market, or you start making it expensive to buy those assets, What do they really do? Like, what real growth do you really have, right? Like, they're growing because the purchasing power of the dollar is going down, not because these companies are like having stellar months. You're seeing a real estate market go up not because people want to own homes. You're seeing it go up because money is cheap and it's better to go buy a house right now with how cheap money is than to sit there and rent and have your rent go up by like 10% to 15% per year.

Won't governments, like, once they catch on to that, you know, crypto is the future, won't they just keep printing more money to buy more of this cryptocurrency up, which would cause more inflation and higher valuation in crypto?

That could very well be, but we have to be careful. Jared, we have to be careful and I want your audience to be really vigilant about this, okay? Right now, Biden's trying to get through a thing in the Senate, I think, where they can essentially open up your bank account with a $600 transaction. I mean, that's all of us now. Every single person is in there. And I'm a really strong believer in privacy. Like, I'm not doing anything wrong. Why do you need to be watching me like I am a criminal? You know, like, fuck you guys. Like, no. That's why like 99% of my money is in crypto. I just don't trust the banking system. As I've traveled more and more, I've just seen how inefficient the United States government is and how competitive some of these other markets are getting. It's too big of a boat to move. So let's see what happens, man. But I mean, Reagan did it back in the '80s. He lifted the interest rates and it was, you know, a year and a half or 2 years of really bad hurt. But that led to one of the biggest and longest bull markets that the United States has ever experienced. So if we get a guy or gal in there that's got enough cojones to do that, that would be really cool. But I don't think they're going to buy crypto per se. They're They're going to find a way to try and control us with it. But, you know, a lot of us that are in crypto right now are vigilant. We care about our privacy and we don't need the government to treat us like a bunch of babies. We're grown adults and we know better than them about what's good for us.

Yeah, no, Gwen, listen, man, I can go on with this conversation for hours. Unfortunately, our time is running up. I know we both have to hop off here in a couple minutes. So yeah, are you on social media? Where can people find you if they wanted to other than your website, which we'll put in the show notes?

Yeah, so you can follow me on Instagram, which is @swami_jaredgoetz. SWAMI Crypto.

We'll post that in the show notes also. Yeah, Kavin, this was amazing. Eye-opening. I'm about to make some big changes to how I use my crypto and I'm about to look a lot further into this. I want to learn more from you as well. So, yeah, thank you so much for sharing all this with us. This was amazing.

Of course, my brother.