Nurse Builds AI Patient Advocacy App Inspired By Her Own Misdiagnosed Brain Condition (with Rachel Dumas)

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Hi.

Rachelle is, her background is in high acuity and systems level environment, including trauma, neuro, critical care, and COVID ICU. which included traveling to New York City during the peak of the pandemic to support overwhelmed health systems on the front lines. And then also some experience in perioperative services, long-term care, and nursing education. So it seems like you've got a pretty extensive background and then founded the company Heard, which we're going to talk most about today. And I think, yeah, so why don't you introduce yourself a little bit and tell us a little bit more about you?

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that introduction. I'm excited to be here. So I'm Rachelle Dumas. I am a registered nurse and he just Say what my background was, but most importantly, I'm also a patient. So I know both sides of the spectrum of healthcare and a very unique patient. I have extensive medical history, which includes 9 pregnancy losses before I finally had my baby. And then 6 months later, I woke up with complete vision loss and stroke symptoms. I have a neuro ICU background. So I went to the ER and they were very dismissive, completely ignored my symptoms and said, probably it's a stomach bug. I went to a different ER. They ran a stroke protocol. And 6 months of waking up blind with stroke symptoms, I was diagnosed with a rare brain disease that later led to 2 brain surgeries to about 8 months ago. So I started her.

Wow. That's— I mean, first of all, I'm very sorry that that happened to you. I think, I think, yeah, as nurses, when we are ever in either the patient role or we're maybe even the family member, you really do see the, you know, kind of the shadow side of healthcare. And it just gives you a different perspective of like, wow, like people really are dismissed. And I think that there's even— this even goes deeper being, you know, a Black woman, like these things, right? It's there. You can tell like the disparity in healthcare and not being listened to. Is that— would you agree with that?

100%. And it's different being on the side of the nurse where, you know, you give compassionate care, you know what to do, you know what to look out for, you know how to advocate for your patients. Our whole job is advocacy, essentially. But when you're on the other side, it's very, Surreal when it happens to you. And sometimes it's hard to detect because you're like, is this, is this really happening to me? You know, we know stroke symptoms, you do a CT scan, that's standard of care for us. 100%. So to deny me that and I can't even see you, it's insane. Yeah.

That's why I think, like I said, I think that these things go deeper, like being, whether you're a woman or whether you are a minority or you're part of the LGBTQ community, like these things, you, it's surprising like how much these things are prevalent and especially, you know, depending on where you are in the country. So I think again, your story, you had this thing happen to you. So what, I'm imagining that's kind of what inspired you to start your company, HEARD. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what HEARD is and how you think it's helping people as a patient?

Yeah, absolutely. So 100%, my own healthcare journey inspired this app. HEARD stands for Human-Enabled AI Reporting and Documentation. And I make sure it's human-backed. And that it's pulling because it has an AI component pulling from peer-reviewed articles and studies, which we use for our standard of care in my practice in the hospital, because those recommendations should reflect what we typically do and even the new innovations that's coming out. And specifically, I was in the middle of the 2 brain surgeries and I had a lot of time to reflect as I was recovering for a long time. And I said, man, how did I survive 9 pregnancy losses, all of the dismissal and Just this whole experience. And it's because I spoke the jargon. I was able to do research. I found a 19-year study showing that GLP-1s actually decrease pressure in your brain with the specific neurological issue that I have. My provider team didn't provide me with that information. I was just in my master's program, used to doing research, and I found that study and I said, hey, can we order me this GLP-1? And it worked. I didn't have to get a VP shunt or open brain surgery. Old colleagues who were neurologists and neurosurgeons who advocated on my behalf. I went to LinkedIn and told them my story, and 7 neurologists, neuro-ophthalmologists, neurosurgeons literally called me and said, hey, I recommend this. Talk to your provider team about this. And I thought, patients don't have this access or these resources or speak this language at all.

Mm-hmm.

Honestly, they would have died. And that's why 250,000 patients die a year of misdiagnosis, and 4.7 million people are misdiagnosed every year, and it's causing their healthcare system, $100 billion a year. Carlton, you know what we could do with that money? $100 billion in healthcare?

Save the world.

Like, literally, like, just even our nurses' pay would be better. You know, everybody's pay would be better. You know, the resources would be improved, healthcare outcomes will be improved with $100 billion pouring back into the healthcare system. So I created an app with all of these things in there. I'm also a caregiver. feature where you can literally follow your family member as they go through the hospital and just keep track of their cases and their records and all those things. It's really interactive for your family, whoever you give access to. It's HIPAA compliant, of course, which is also innovative because there isn't a system where you can get that deep into your family member's records. And that was very important for me. When you wake up blind every day, you can't use the app, so you need a caregiver to advocate for you. It's very, very innovative, but it's also going to save millions or even billions of lives as we expand globally.

So is this something that the healthcare workers are also using, or is this specifically something that the patient has on their own and they are uploading their own information into this? I know when I was looking through it, like, people, you can take pictures of like your records, right? And it uploads into there. I know Was there something about voice recording? So is this all from the patient, nothing from the doctor? The nurses are being entered in through this app?

Yeah, so our version 1 of the app is more patient-centered. They're able to upload. We are talking with different companies so we can automatically pull those health records in there so the AI can translate that data into usable data, such as saying, hey, you should probably see a neurologist for all these headaches, or you should probably speak to this type of provider, go see a cardiologist for your blood pressure issues, or, you know, things like that. But also we are working with healthcare companies to build a dashboard for them because right now, as you know, Carlton, there's 2 ways for harm to be escalated. One is usually there's an incident report. Usually the nurse puts it in, whoever's closest to the patient, or 3 days later we get a survey in the email. But in real time, there's not an autonomous way to escalate care. So when the doctor said, hey, you're not getting a CT scan, and even lied and say the CT scanners are, And I had my husband call and that was not true. That should have been escalated because we know strokes are time sensitive.

Mm-hmm.

So it allowed— so that dashboard would allow the patient for the first time to autonomously escalate harm in a situation, and then it could be remedied in real time, which for hospitals, it decreases litigation costs because you're addressing different issues immediately. It decreases readmission because their issues are getting addressed. They're able to have meaningful conversations with their providers. They know what to ask. We tell them who to ask, who to talk to, what type of testing to ask, what the interpretations of labs and different things mean. All the questions we put in ChatGPT, but they don't ask the follow-up questions to say, hey, you also had this issue last week, or this is part of your health record system or your health records that you should ask these questions. So it's very thorough, but also providers will be able to use it as well, and administration because of the escalation pathways.

So it's more from my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's more so kind of guiding the patient on, on things to ask and things to be looking out for. It's not, it's not trying to diagnose you per se. It's more, it's more so guiding you on, hey, you might want to do this. You might want to ask this question. You might want to seek this kind of test, or you might want to seek this kind of specialist, which I think is super helpful because especially, and you can speak to this even as a nurse, like when you're in that You know, a situation to your health, you're stressed, maybe you're not fully, you know, like able to kind of come up with those questions in real time. I feel like that's really helpful to kind of just give you that, like, you know, somebody that's not emotionally involved in the case of like, hey, you need to, you know, I would ask these questions, like I would go this way.

Right. 100%. Like it's helping the patient, right? They are getting all their questions answered. They have more clarity moving forward. Like there's a A plan of care where they're involved in. It's not like, oh, my doctor told me to do this, I have to do this. It's like, no, why am I doing this? Okay, this makes sense. Actually, this doesn't make sense. I need clarity on this. Have y'all thought about this treatment? Right? And even as nurses, I think there's a common misconception for us. If we're in one specialty, that does not translate we know everything about every specialty.

Not ever.

Before my pregnancy journey, I was a trauma nurse at a level 1 trauma center. I don't know I remember I had a pregnant patient and I called OB so quickly and I said, there is a patient with another patient inside of it. I don't know what to do with this patient. Get them out of here. Get them out of here. Get them to better care. The trauma part is over. They're stable. Please come and get these patients. So even for us, it's just kind of like if you had a urology issue and you weren't in urology or oncology, you would use the app to say, hey, I'm not sure what's going on with me. What questions should I ask? What tests should I ask for or imaging? Or what types of doctors should I see? When I started my maternal health journey, all I knew was OB-GYN. I had no clue what a reproductive endocrinologist was. I knew what an endocrinologist was, but not a reproductive one or a geneticist or a maternal fetal medicine doctor. That app would have helped with all of those things with my issues with 9 losses.

And this, like, so this keeps kind of— does this also kind of keep track of your whole history? So, I mean, even if you're not, you know, would this even be something that people use if they're going to just their primary care to just kind of keep track of things as you progress? And then maybe in a year something pops up and it already has data from what you were uploading before to be like, oh, you know, maybe back in, you know, 2 years ago you had this, this complaint in this lab and now you have it this is happening, so maybe you should explore this, this avenue. So it kind of keeps track of everything.

Yes, and that's the whole idea too, is that, uh, it's keeping track of your history. So when AI is analyzing all of this data, which we have a lot of data as patients, our healthcare data is so important, and our past data is so important for our future, right? Um, it tells us what could be coming down the line. It's, it's telling us, you know, what could be an issue or what tests we should do. I just spoke with a really good friend and she has the— is it BRCA? I'm not really big on oncology, but the breast cancer gene.

Mm-hmm.

And because she found that out very early, when she finally did get breast cancer, she was able to handle it and catch it super early. And once we connect with the caregiver role, when we're connecting our families and the family history, we also will be able to see because of the app, Hey, my aunt had this, my uncle had this, my mother had this. I could possibly have breast cancer in the future. I could possibly have colon cancer. I, I should get tested early. I shouldn't wait till 50 for a colonoscopy. I have this history, you know, it's putting all that together.

So yeah, it's like raising like a little red flag, like, hey, you might be at risk for this, maybe go get screened early. Um, right. Wow. Yeah, I think that that's, that's really like such, such a Great and innovative idea. And I love that this came from a pain point for you, right? Like you had these terrible things happening to you, you know, you were going through, you know, anything that's new diagnoses or health scares. I mean, it's a scary thing to go through.

Yeah.

You talked about your 9 pregnancy losses and this neurological condition. And then, you know, so you had this pain point, you saw a hole in healthcare, and you've kind of just like taken off with that. What is your Um, I have to ask you, cause this is such a huge conversation with nurses. A lot of nurses are scared of AI. What, what would you say like of why people maybe from your perspective should not be, or maybe if you think that people should be like, do you have like, uh, any, any insights on that as you're using this right now in a business that you founded?

Yeah, absolutely. AI can be an extremely powerful tool to help, um, with healthcare outcomes, whether it's directly helping the patient or help helping the staff. the staff to navigate patient care, just the dictation, making it quicker, you know, making our workflows quicker. So we had— we can spend more time with our patients, always great, you know. But there are downfalls, right? There has to be, at least in 2026, I will say there has to be human backing.

Mm-hmm.

As far as healthcare, we have lives at stake. It's just not that advanced right now, at least the ones that— the type of AI that we have access to in the hospital and Even from the patient side, when they do ChatGPT and stuff like that, it has to have that human side because our data is so sensitive, our lives are sensitive, things like that. But when it fails, it can be detrimental. And that has happened to me. My neurosurgeon, after my first brain surgery, of course, as a nurse, and I have a neuro ICU background, so I was really curious what he did and how he went in my brain and what he did. So I'm reading the the clinical note, and I find that he found 3 aneurysms in my brain. Never said anything. Granted, I was in ICU immediately after my surgery for days. Nobody ever said you have an aneurysm or 3, let alone 3.

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So for a week I was calling the office, couldn't get in touch. I'm trying to see if I need to plan my funeral. Like, it's one of the aneurysms were big in the high-risk area, the Circle of Willis. I'm like, oh my God, how could just nobody say anything? And come to find out, I go to my appointment finally a week after, and he's like, oh, we have this new dictation with AI. I don't remember you having aneurysms. I think you're fine. And that's a big deal. Not I think you're fine. I need to know if I'm fine or not. So I said, doc, pull up the imaging. Can you pull up the angiogram please so we can just verify that I don't have any aneurysms? And he did, and there were none.

So the dictation had picked up that there was? 3.

3. And it was very specific. It said the size and everything. And I was like, did he dictate on the wrong patient? Yeah.

I'm trying to think how would that pick up 3 aneurysms at once?

3. Yeah.

3. What were you trying to say?

Right. And then it showed where it was and how big it was. So I was just so confused. Yeah. But when things like that happen, You know, you can, you can give a patient a stroke because they're worried. But yeah.

But again, like, where my brain goes to that is like, again, like you said, you're, you're a nurse, you have a, especially, you know, a background in neuro ICU. So you saw that. But as a, you know, as a person who's not in medical, if they had, you know, if they were using HEARD, and that had gotten uploaded into their records, it would have probably flagged them, hey, you need to address, ask questions of what's going, what's the plan with these 3 aneurysms. And then the patient could have brought that up to the neurosurgeon who would have been like, wait, I don't think you have 3. And so then that would have Hopefully theoretically gotten solved by that conversation because maybe somebody who's not medical— again, this is hypothetical— would have not, you know, could have just glossed over that and been like, yeah, like whatever, I don't even know what that means. So.

Right, right. So again, 100% important because we don't— one, I think a lot of patients don't even read the clinical note after probably the first paragraph of a neuro note with all these terms.

I mean, it's like a whole nother language.

So, you know, it is, it's a different language. It's a different language.

So, you know, it's like, why? I mean, if you're not understanding it, yeah, why, why read it? You just hope that you can trust the, you know, the doctors, the people, the nurses taking care of you.

Yeah.

So I wanted to kind of talk about why, in your opinion, like, why do you feel like nurses are, are in a position or in a, in a place to kind of lead these, these innovative ideas, especially in healthcare? Um, from your opinion, like what, what makes a nurse suitable for going a route like what you're doing? Because I mean, when we're in school, nursing school, like this is, I mean, it may be different now, but I, they didn't have conversations with us that it was an option to branch off and be a founder. And, you know, so yeah.

Nothing's different. Like nothing's different, you know, it's the same curriculum. And I know because I work directly with some, uh, some nursing schools, uh, because I, I am big on like curriculum change because A lot has changed in our profession, right? We should have additional classes to reflect 2026 and not just 19— or 1881, or, you know, but—

Florence Nightingale.

Yeah, like, we, you know, we came a long way from disinfection control. And, you know, we wear gloves now, you know, so. But, um, yeah, 100%. Nurses are the best innovators to me, because one, we are constantly at the bedside more than any other profession we're at the bedside, we see the gaps, we advocate for our patients. We are able to not only just see the gaps, but we build the workarounds constantly. And those workarounds are probably other, like, really bigger issues that other nurses and healthcare professionals are dealing with as well. So if you become an innovator and actually solve that permanently, You can make this big innovation within a healthcare setting, but we are uniquely positioned to say, hey, not only did we come down with this policy or this new program or this implementation of this new device that we're using or whatever it is, we're the ones implementing it. We're the ones using it every day. We see the gaps, we see the good, and we create the workarounds when it don't work. So that's just innovation, right? That is like, we, we're already the innovators. We're just not always the entrepreneurs who are like, you know what, I'm gonna permanently fix this. And sometimes we are. And in 2026, it's becoming more, um, more prevalent.

Yeah. I honestly didn't even realize— you're totally right, but I didn't even realize that so many nurses were out there innovating. I mean, doing, you know, you see, you know, nurses on social media and influencers and you, you kind of see that, but, you know, a lot of us don't see what, you know, people like you are doing who are finding these businesses. And when I first noticed was, I don't know if you've been to the health conference in Las Vegas. That's the first time that I have like seen like all these nurses who have like branched out and created these amazing businesses because again, of pain points or a hole that they saw in healthcare.

Yes.

And they're like, why, why not me? Like I, again, like you said, nurses are, we're already innovating. Like we have to, to get through our shifts because lack of resources or, you know, whatever it may be. Like, we, we just naturally have that. And even if we don't naturally have that, we, we build that skill because we have no other choice because we're taking care of the patients. So I think hearing stories like yours and other people, you know, hearing these things, if they have this little idea that they've been thinking about, you know, what would you tell them to, to start? You know, how do you, how do you get, you know, find the courage or the— maybe, maybe you didn't have courage. Maybe you just said, I don't know, I just got to do this. Like, how do you find that within yourself to just do it? try?

You know, mine was just different. I was, um, I was, uh, on the edge of death, so I was like, you know, might as well.

Yeah, yeah.

But you can start way before then, of course. Uh, I always say just start. Honestly, there's no perfect way to be an entrepreneur. And if you fail, fail forward, meaning just make sure you're learning from your failures, because there's no perfect way. There, there just isn't. You need to find the issue Solve it, and that's all you need. And have that passion to keep going, because entrepreneurship isn't, isn't always fun. I would say that, you know, it's not fun.

But nothing is, right? There's, there's pain points anywhere. Being a nurse, there's pros and cons.

Yeah, it is. I, um, I see often on Instagram people say, you know, the economy is so bad, you might as well follow your dreams. And it's That's true. You might as well just follow your dreams. But yeah, all you just need is like the problem and you implementing the solution and just a passion to keep going because that, that is really going to keep you going, like your passion, um, and the love for what you do because it does get hard. But that's it. That's it. The other things you can learn on the way, you know, you have to file for your LLC if you want investments, a Delaware C-Corp, you know, apply for grants, you know, FDA approval if you have like a product, a certain type of product within healthcare. Those things you learn on the way. At the core, what keeps me up and gets me going every day is just a passion to solve this problem because I multiple times was almost a victim of it. I was literally planning my funeral in June. So to be here, you know, and to barely have made it being a nurse speaks volumes for what so many other patients are going through.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to gloss over that. I want to keep emphasizing that, like, you went through something so painful, but you were able to to, to create something out of it, to then help other people to hopefully not have to deal with as much pain or difficulty or dismissal as you did. So yeah, I really honestly, I really applaud you for, for that. I think it's amazing.

Thank you.

And your idea is great and it's so helpful. Like what an idea to be able to have all this kind of stored and then like I said, to just guide you through like you're stressed. Let me— give me all your data. Let me see what's going on and let me give you, you know, the prompts to kind of like push you onward. So yeah, I think that that's, that's really amazing. For Heard, for the— is it, so it's an app, um, correct, that people download? Okay. And is there, is there anything with that that we have not talked about that you want people to know about it, um, that you find is like most important? Or, um, is there like a membership? Like how do people find this and how do people start using it?

Yeah, it'll be out within the next month. It is a subscription, uh, starts at $15 a month. However, we have a referral program and I have been getting so much traction as an employer benefit. And I love that because Healthcare is expensive, and I would prefer that your employer pay it and then you have access to the app than you pay it, to be transparent, because I'm still paying on bills for my own issues. I should be in a Bugatti, Colton. I should be in a Bugatti, but I'm paying on hospital bills.

It's crazy.

Yeah, it's crazy. But yes, you can subscribe. Go to myheardapp.com. You can be a beta tester at this point as well. Give your feedback and have early access to it and get discounts off the subscription. We are also working with hospitals. So if you're listening and you're a CNO, CEO, healthcare, just in the healthcare field, just please reach out or go to MyHerd app and go to the partner and hospital and business links. We'll be happy to work with you all to bring Herd into your healthcare system. And if you're an employee or employer, make sure you go to myherdapp.com as well.

Amazing. And what, so what is your What is your take-home message for people, whether that's nurses, whether that's patients? Like, what is your take-home message or mission? Like, what is your— at the heart of Heard, like, what is it that you're trying to really put out there into the world with this?

100% is trust yourself and your instinct. As a patient, you are the expert of your body. You're with you every day. Nobody else. You're with you every day. And while your healthcare provider may be an expert in their specialty, you're the expert of your body and trust Trust your symptoms. Trust your symptoms. As a nurse and a healthcare provider, trust your instincts. Yes, there are standards. There are ways people typically show up with different diagnoses and things like that. But we know individualized care is so important because everybody does not show up the same. Trust your instincts.

I love that. I think this is also a really great reminder for anybody out there who is a nurse or who works in healthcare. I mean, that's the primary audience for this. It's also a great reminder to listen to people, listen to your patients. I think a lot of us get, you know, just because of the healthcare system and the nature of it and how burnt out people get, it's—

Yes.

It's easy to slide into that position to where you are the one that starts to dismiss people. Or maybe you're in the, you know, in the triage booth in the ER and you've just been there for— you're on your 11th hour and you're just like so tired. It's been a busy day.

Exhausted.

You start— yes, you start to just like look over things or you've listened to complaint after complaint after complaint. And so you You maybe, even if you're not intending to, start dismissing people, not taking people seriously. I think it's just a good reminder for us to not do that because yes, of course, there's going to be patients, there's going to be people who know how to work the healthcare system, who are coming in there and, you know, maybe aren't being honest about what they're saying and are just trying to get attention. But—

It works.

That's not our job to sort that out. It's our job to listen to people and take people seriously. I think it's a really great reminder for everybody.

Yeah, 100%. And self-care, because compassion fatigue is so real. You know, we've been through COVID-19. So yeah.

Yeah. Did you— when you went to New York, like with, with like the, that, uh, recruiting company that brought everybody out there for those 21 days straight or something? Is that what you did?

I didn't do that one. I did another one. I went at the same time though. Uh, I can't even, I think cross-country, if I'm not mistaken, is what I went through. But the compassion fatigue was so real. I ended up getting sick, so I couldn't even finish the last month of my trial. level assignment. But I remember working just 7 days a week and times the whole ICU died. And we were crying with each other and with our family members, or not even family members, but patients because the family members couldn't come in. And I needed therapy after that.

Okay.

And even now I still go. And I feel like anybody in our healthcare, in the healthcare profession needs therapy. We deal with a lot and we put ourselves aside for everybody else. So please take care of yourself.

Please, please, please. You're so right. I didn't even realize after I, you know, once kind of had gotten through like COVID, I, you know, went to therapy for something else. And I remember my first session, for some reason that got brought up and I just started crying and I was like, wow, I didn't even realize that this was like bothering me. A lot of us just hold that in and then it has nowhere else to go and it just festers.

Literally.

Yeah.

It was so traumatic for our profession. So much weight was on us too, because there weren't enough doctors that can treat COVID. My attending was a breast surgeon and she would come to me and was like, Rachel, I don't know how to paralyze a patient. So I had to literally walk her through these things. That's the environment we were in. We won't get too deep into that. But yeah, it was traumatic for us. It was traumatic.

Yeah.

It was traumatic.

Yeah, for literally, first of all, for the whole world. And then yes, and then the healthcare workers. And yeah, so you're right. If that's definitely something that, you know, we're not that far removed from it where all of us are, I think, still dealing with some of the effects from that. But yeah, anyway, thank you so much. I think this is amazing. I love that you're doing this. Again, I really applaud you. I think it's a wonderful idea.

Thanks so much.

And I wish you the best. I really hope that this Um, is something that people can start using and I really have a good feeling for you. So thank you so much for being here. Thank you.

I appreciate you.

Of course. Aside from, you told us kind of about the app, where to find it. Um, is there anywhere else that we can find you or Heard on social media to where people can kind of follow?

Absolutely. So @MyHeardApp, we're on every social media. And then Rachelle Dumas, you can find me on LinkedIn. That's my favorite social media right now. Um, but I'm also on Instagram, Facebook, Rachelle Dumas, but MyHeardApp if you want to follow along the journey as well.

Perfect. All right. Well, thank you so much.

Thank you. I appreciate you.

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