EP 631: Metabolic Makeover: Dr. Matt Chalmers Reveals the Secret to Healing from Within

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Welcome back to the Habit Based Lifestyle Podcast. I'm your host, Jesse Yule. Today we got a very special guest, Dr. Matt Chalmers. He is a chiropractor who specializes in neurology and sports. Also is the owner of Pillars of Wellness in Frisco, Texas, best selling author of Pillars of Wellness, the book, and then has also helped develop supplementation lines for MLM companies, some of them even profiting into the 100 million dollar range. And then currently is, is helping, you know, people fix metabolic problems. Matt, I want to welcome you on the show today.

Hey, thanks for having me, man.

Took like 10 minutes to kind of hear the whole list of things that you, you do. But can you, can you kind of break down for our audience who may not know you, like who are you and kind of what you're about and then we'll go into maybe a little bit of your backstory.

Yeah, so a lot of the things that I do are based on metabolic biochemistry. So trying to figure out how exactly we want to make sure that the body gets back to original design the way that we were designed and created. I've always found that the closer we can get back to original design, the healthier we always get. So taking the processing out, you know, bringing the nutrient density back in, we've been able to see things get fixed. You know, dementia and diabetes and all sorts of emotional issues and stuff like that, really start clearing out when you get the chemistry back where it's supposed to be. So that's kind of my whole thrust is, you know, how do we get everything in the body to go back to original design? And like I said, the closer we get, the healthier people get.

Yeah, no, that's amazing, man. And, and so much needed today. So, you know, is, is chiropractic Kind of how you got your start in all of this, or like.

Yeah, so it's actually kind of funny. So I was in high school, I hurt my back, and I couldn't walk at playing football. And I went and saw orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, everybody in the world who had a license to look at me, I went and saw. And finally they send this. I was bench pressing 400 pounds and squatting 600 pounds at the time. And they send this kid in who looks like he'd never seen the sun. It was 155 pounds. And he's like, there's nothing wrong with you. You just don't want to play anymore. And I was like, if I could reach you, I'd break you in half. He was like. He was just stunned at how. How insulting, how insulted I got from that comment that I was a liar and a fraud. But so I called my coach. I was like, hey, man, I can't play. I can't walk. And he goes, well, go see our team chiropractor. And it's funny because I just. This is the funniest part about this whole thing is I remember telling him, I need a doctor, not a massage. I. And he was like, we'll go see him. He was like, we'll see what he does. And so my parents literally carried me in, and Dr. Harris takes a look at the X rays the medical guys had for hours. He goes, oh, it's right there. And he adjusted me. I got out and hobbled out and went back to practice three days later. So I was like, all right, cool. This is what I want to do. And it's been spectacular ever since. The greatest part about. I think that, for me, at least, about the chiropractic model is that in chiropractic, we believe that the power that made the body heals the body, that healing comes from above, down inside out. And that philosophy has been the cornerstone of what I've built. Everything off of is just, like I said, if we can return to original design the way we're designed to be, everybody starts getting healthy.

Okay? Yeah, man. I mean, that's. That's. That's amazing. You know, I have a kind of similar story where I got injured in football at, like, 12 years old and went to jump over a guy, came down straight up and down on my head, neck. And the only person who could essentially help me was a chiropractor. And then they found out I was born with, like, a fused vertebrae, and that traced into having, like, A kidney issue. But it was pretty wild how that was kind of my first, you know, experience of, like, hey, somebody found, you know, this problem in your neck, and they traced it all the way back to, like, having a kidney issue. And it was kind of wild how that all played out. But it was. It kind of got me super intrigued back then, even in health, you know, very similar to, like, what you're talking about. But tell me, so, like, did you practice as a chiropractor, you know, coming out of school? Is that kind of how you first started? Or, like, what did you do?

Yeah, I still do a lot of chiropractic. I love chiropractic. Whenever I'm out on, like, I speak or something like that, I'm always adjusting the other speakers and stuff like that. I love to adjust. Okay, but it's still a major part. Like, for instance, when we start working on dementia, restoring brain function is really important. And the chiropractic helps increase information to the brain so the brain can actually regenerate and heal. And so that's one of the big things we use it for now. But we adjust people all the time. It's. It's. I love it.

Okay, so you still. You still, you know, practice as a chiropractor. When. When did you kind of, like, transition into adding in, you know, some of these other things, like the. The fixed metabolic problems and. And things like that? When did you start transitioning to that, this. That stuff?

God, that kind of happened a couple years ago. What ended up happening was, you know, I do a lot of AK and muscle testing and stuff like that. And so we were just kind of going through and working on athletes and stuff like that. And then someone came in and was like, can you work on my sister who has fibromyalgia? And I was like, I don't know. And so we started looking at it, and I started researching fibromyalgia, and I started figuring out, oh, it's a liver issue. And we started fixing fibromyalgia. And I was like, well, that was not as hard as I thought it was going to be, like, fixing something like fibromyalgia. And I was like, all right. So I started just reading more and more, and the more I read about metabolic chemistry and stuff like that, I was like, oh, this is how this works. This is how this works. Like, it's where I learned that I was the big fat guy and tried to figure out how that all works. And reading metabolic biochemistry is what led me to understand that the calorie system is completely wrong and that the way the body actually works is through hormonal changes. And so that led me to a whole host of other issues we were able to start to learn to fix, like diabetes and stuff like that. So I just started waking up at 4am about 10 years ago and. And I'd read medical research and stuff like that for about two hours. And because I just had to know how to fix everything. And so that's kind of what led. Led to this.

Wow. Okay. That's amazing. So, you know, obviously, health and I think trust in. In traditional doctors, you know, has definitely changed the last five years. And so my guess is, is because of what you're able to do now, you know, you've probably. You're probably helping like, more and more people with things. They would maybe normally go to a traditional doctor. They don't. It doesn't help them to get put on a prescription medication. So they're going to come and see you so you can, you know, really help them. But, like, what have you seen shift in the last, like, five years?

Oh, man. So ever since COVID everyone started kind of take a look at the world again, and they're like, hold on, let me evaluate. Let me, let's, let's, let's go to the science, right? Let's start asking questions. Like, science is asking questions. When you stop asking questions, you've stopped doing science, right? And so people started asking more questions about everything because they were. Because they started looking at what, how they handled Covid, and they were like, you told us Ivermectin was a horse dewormer, but you failed to mention that it won the Nobel Prize for People Medicine in 2016. Like, where was that? And then they were like, you know, and all these guys who took it had all this research that showed it helped, and then you wouldn't let us have it. So certain people started asking more questions. And as they started asking more questions, they started realizing that every single thing, like, if you look at where the medical community has taken us over the past 50 years, every single thing that you look at, we're worse off on, like, you know, we're fatter, more diabetes, more dementia, like, you know, we've got, you know, everything from a health standpoint is worse. And so we started kind of, people started reevaluating, like, what else can we do? And so that's where a lot of this, well, go back to the metabolic function stuff comes in. This is where, like, Gary Brecke's stuff comes in. The idea that, you know, hey, the body was built and designed in a specific way. If we get back to that design, your body will just get better. And so, like, going back to the physiology. And so that's really kind of where all this started going. When I started, people started asking questions, I started answering it. It also helped that it. So I treated Covid a little bit differently. I recognized the major component of COVID was a vascular issue, not necessarily respiratory. And so we were using vasodilators, we were specifically using quinine, and we were putting people in hyperbaric chambers. Hyperbaric chambers increase oxygenation of the tissue by 1000%, because not only do your red blood cells carry oxygen, but now the plasma, the water in your blood, will also carry oxygen. Um, and so when the blood vessels get squeezed down real tight like they do in Covid, you've got to increase the oxygenation to get these people through it. And so that's what we were doing. And it worked really, really well. And it just. Everybody search kind of started talking about it as we're pulling people out of hospitals to save their lives. It's. People started talking about it, and it just kind of grew into the what it is now.

Wow, that's. That's amazing. So, you know, now we're what, like five years, Kind of five years after Covid, or not so much after, but like beyond when it all started. But what are you seeing now in. In the space that you're in as kind of the. Maybe like, top three common issues with people?

So if we're looking at. I want to start kind of look at Covid. First of all, if you had Covid, a lot of people are having long Covid. The other thing is that it's not like I had it, and I got over it. Like, I had it, and then everybody else has got it. So it's. I'm getting continually reinforced. That's one piece we have to kind of recognize. And then the vaccine is probably the worst possible thing you can put in your body. And so we're having to deal with that damage as well. And not just that damage, but the damage that that's going to drive all the way through. So the people who got vaccinated have issues with themselves, but it's a DNA. It changes your DNA by definition. That's what it was designed to do. And so their offspring, their kids are going to have issues. There's a lot of research in what the. We've been calling shedding for a while of people who got Vaccinated, creating problems for those who are around them. So cleaning that up is a major issue. And this is one of those things. And I've been pounding the table about this for a long time. It's if you don't get your metabolic function back where it needs to be, if you don't get healthy now, things are going to get worse as we go along. We're going to see a giant amount more cancer, heart attack, stroke. We're going to see a lot more issues with chronic disease and things like that because of what turns out to be a bioweapon has done to us. So we've got that issue that we kind of have to kind of recognize. But the other thing is that with all the trash that's in our food, a lot of our foods have become substantially higher in glycemic response. So they're producing more sugars and that requires obviously a higher insulin response that's leading to higher, faster rates of insulin resistance. And so we turn that into diabetes. And so we've got those issues as well. And so a lot of this chronic disease is directly tied to our food. And hopefully RFK can start breaking some of this up. But you know, I look at kids now who have issues that of what we normally look at as aging issues. I've got 16, 17, 18 year old kids who have horrible issues like they did when they were adults, like 50, 60, 70 years old. One of the things I've seen a lot is because I pull blood on everybody is the levels of testosterone that were supposed to be, you know, 700 to a thousand in these 15, 16, 17, 20 year old kids. We're seeing a lot of 150 to 300 testosterone levels. And testosterone is the healing hormone. So these kids are just not getting healed, they're just not healing.

And you. And that's from the food that they're taking in and kind of the environment or like is that vaccine related or is it a combination of everything?

So it's kind of a combination of everything. You know, the things that so inflammation, when we look at it from a metabolic standpoint, what inflammation is is when the chemistry breaks down and stops working, right? So like when we talk about inflammation, people think, oh, things are on fire. And you're like, all right, that's not a bad definition. But you have to understand that the things that are on fire are making the fire, that they're burning it because it's not something that got laid on top. It's like the chemistry got messed up. And so what's happening is that they're spewing off all this bad chemistry because they didn't have the nutrients they required to build the things they're supposed to build. So like Omega 3s, it's not that they put the fire out, they just make it so the body quits producing the fire that you're built, that you're burning it. And so that's the biggest issue.

Okay, so food, environment, and then you have, you know, people that either got Covid, they got vaccinated or I mean, potentially, you know, they could even have some shedding. But what is, what is like a common problem with obviously the vaccination, but kind of the after effect of it. What are some things that you're seeing with people?

So there's a couple different things we're seeing. We've seen lots of fatigue, we're seeing lots of just, you know, malaise. People, people are talking about, they just don't. So depression is going to be another one that we're seeing. They just don't have the desire to go do stuff. So like when you look at depression, everybody thinks, well, I don't hate myself. I'm like, well that's, that's not what we're talking about. Depression is when you just don't want.

To go do anything, right?

It's like, I just want to sit at home and just do nothing. Like that's a, that's a hallmark of depression. And one of the big things that we're seeing is that one of the things that people need to start kind of recognizing is that I don't want to say all but a vast majority of our mental health issues are metabolic issues. Actually like when you walk back, dementia, you fix the metabolic problems that create dementia and the dementia starts going away. You look at depression, you start fixing the gut, you start restoring testosterone levels, you start increasing exercise, depression goes away. And so there's a lot of these things that are both like people are looking at these physical ailments like I'm tired and I feel weak and I feel nauseous and I can't think very well because of the brain fog. And you're like, cool, that's definitely things we gotta deal with. But the depression, the anxiety, the add, like the, you know, all those things that are crushing you, those are also metabolic in origin. And so there's a lot of those things we're seeing as well. That's really, really sad to see these people get into.

And where, where do these kind of meta, like you're Talking in kind of a lot about metabolic issues. But like, for somebody who may not know, you know, what that is, is like, where did these typically show up, you know, in your body? Is it, is it from gut health? Is it from our liver? Is it from a combination of, of both? You know, like, where, where are all these showing up?

Well, so what you have to understand is that the entire body. So look at it from a holistic standpoint. Your entire body works together. So for instance, your colon is attached directly to your liver. It's called the hepatic portal system. It's always funny when I talk about coffee enemas and people are like, do you know how far your liver is from your colon? And I'm like, the exact length of your hepatic portal system. Do you understand how the intestines work? The job of your colon is to suck the fluid out of your fecal matter, take it back to your liver so your liver can clean the water, push the water back in the system, and then the waste comes back down. So that's how the liver is directly tied to the intestines. And then you've got a lot of tie because of the vascular function of the lung in the intestine. And there's giant amounts of tie between the gut and the brain. And so when you look at what's going on in the body, you kind of have to take it as a holistic structure and be like, okay, if I make a change over here, it's going to affect everything in this body. So what is this change going to do? Like, what is this testosterone? What is the testosterone increase going to do to, you know, estrogen levels? What's it going to do to blood pressure? What's it going to do to, you know, the depression? What's it going to do to the metabolic function, you know, building muscle and tearing down fat? Like, how is it going to affect all these things? And so when you start going through it, that's how the metabolic process actually works. So, you know, everything kind of is tied together. So there isn't really a, you know, look or look there. There's a couple easy things that we can look at, you know, for, you know, we look at, for instance, GLP1 use when we're talking about like semi glutide stuff like that. And people go, oh my gosh, there's all these liver issues. Well, yeah, because your liver is what produces bile. Bile is what breaks down fat. And so if you're not used to producing lots of bile to break down the fat, you're not going to have a very good, easy time to do it. So if you'll increase methylated B6 and increase bile function. I use tudca. Then all of a sudden, the liver issues go away. But again, it's. Why are we having the systemic issues? Because we're systemically burning more fat, and we have to turn that into energy. And so we've got to break it down, and we use bile for that. So it's. It's that type of a thing that we're looking at. When you look at specific issues that people tie to organs, you're like, okay, yeah, there's a big liver function, but there's receptors for, like, GLP1s in the brain stem and all over the body. And so you have to understand how are they all working together, not just the place everybody talks about. Like, that's, you know, problematic.

Right. And, you know, I think originally how I kind of found out about you, man, is there was a. I think there was a conversation on a post going, and it might have been one of mine, but, you know, everybody else was kind of like, you know, GLP1 is the devil, and, like, you know, this and that. And you were kind of like, hey, like, that's actually not true. And I'm actually a big proponent of it as well used correctly, you know, and. But that was kind of how I first heard, like, was like, oh, this guy's actually speaking common sense. I'm gonna go listen to, like, other stuff he has to say. But can you talk a little bit about. Because obviously we have a lot of chiropractors that listen in and, you know, it seems to be about 60%, 70% of them are like, there's no, you know, research on GLP1. It makes you lose lean muscle mass. I'm actually like, well, that's actually not true, but we can debate that, you know, if you want. But, like, can you talk a little bit about, you know, just the GLP one in general, and then we'll kind of segment into other aspects of it.

Yeah, so the GLP one, so those are glucagon, like, peptides. And so glucagon is. So you have. You have two major. There's more, but there's two major metabolic functions. You have insulin, which does a lot of things. It's. It's a brain neurotransmitter. It does awesome stuff. But when we're specifically talking about this area of the getting fat, getting lean, you have to look at insulin as. So what Happens is you consume a carbohydrate, your sugar levels go up and your body freaks out and goes, we cannot have sugar in the blood higher than 100, and so we gotta get it out. And so the insulin is then produced. The insulin then moves that sugar from the blood into the muscle tissues as glycogen into the liver's glycogen, and then it's turned into fat. And so that's where a lot of that is stored. Glucagon is the hormone that comes in and goes, hey, we're out of sugar. So I need you to do two things. I need you to start burning fat as a primary fuel source. Like, your ATP needs to come from lipolytic function. So fat, you got to burn the fat for fuel. And two, we've got to start producing our own sugar through gluconeogenesis. And so it has the liver. Then start producing sugar for your blood because your blood can only run on glucose. And so those are the two things that ended up happening. Now, the reason why people start to lose lean muscle mass is because they're not one, they're probably. Their testosterone levels are too low. So when I work on people, we raise our testosterone levels immediately. But the other thing that we get into is they're not consuming enough protein. And so the body, because the body makes sugar out of protein, so it'll rip your muscle tissues apart to get the amino acids and the protein skeleton to then make the sugar for your blood. So that's where a lot of the muscle loss happens. The same thing happens in bodybuilders right before they go on stage and they cut their food intake back to almost nothing and lose all this weight at the end. Yeah, you're losing fat, but you're losing a ton of muscle, too. That's the mechanism that happens. And so when you start looking at that, you're like, all right, that's easy to fix. We either, whatever protein we want to get in whey protein's fine, steak is fine, collagen's fine. We just got to get to the body protein, so we can break that down. But you also have to have the healing hormone to regenerate and repair, which is why we use testosterone. So the other thing that I want everybody to understand is that a lot of this, when we talk about lean mass being lost, that is the lexicon or the terminology of DEXA scans. And so in a DEXA scan, what happens is they go, we have bone and fat and then everything else. So muscle inflammatory, water weight, organ weight, Organ size. Those are all lean mass.

Right.

Well, you don't want to lose organ mass. Of course you do. If your stomach is this big and then you don't eat, you fast or you just eat less for two months and then the stomach shrinks, then you're going to lose lean mass. But you wanted your stomach to get a little smaller anyway because now you eat less all the time. So that's where a lot of this lean mass stuff comes in. And people are freaking out that they're only losing muscle tissue. Um, but there, that is a big concern is that if you don't do this right, you don't do this with somebody, you don't do any resistance training when you're doing it, you're going to lose more lean muscle mass than you really want. So.

Right.

That's. That is a piece of it. But it's not as scary as really makes it out to be.

Yeah, I think, I think the biggest, you know, thing that really, I heard you say is like, hey, without the proper program built around it.

Yeah.

I mean, you, you know, you can lose lean muscle mass. But like, if, if I put you on a calorie restricted diet, you don't do resistance training and you don't, you know, eat an adequate amount of protein. I mean, you're probably going to get the same result, you know, as you would. And we reduce your testosterone level because it's already plummeted. It's going to give you the same result. Ultimately. Now can I think GLP1 can get you to a place where maybe, hey, you're not as hungry and so maybe you forget to eat, you know, that extra 50 grams of protein a day. And so, yeah, it can definitely have that effect on it. But I usually see it's the program that's built around it that makes it, you know, do that, not necessarily the GLP one itself.

And that's really the big thing because, like, I always tell people, like, we gave metabolic tools to people who don't understand metabolic biochemistry and wondered why they hurt people with them. You know, my big thing is anything that's strong enough to help is strong enough to hurt.

Yeah.

So if you don't know how to do it, if you don't understand metabolic biochemistry, don't play with it. And one of the big things I always tell people is that, you know, and I get lots of grief for this, but if you're, if your provider who's using the GLP one starts talking to you in a calorie standpoint, you need to not work with them because they. That tells me they don't understand any metabolic biochemistry. Because. Because there is no metabolic biochemistry pathway. The Krebs cycle, the CORI cycle, the glycolytic function, glycolytic function of ATP production, gluconeogenesis, none of it has calories in it, because calories are a measurement of heat and they have nothing to do with the metabolic function that's actually going on in the body. And that's why people come in. They're like, well, you know, because people come in, they're like, well, this is how many calories I made. Like, that's pointless. Like, like, I need to know your macros. Like, how much? Because the sugar is going to produce insulin, right? Protein's gonna end up with glucagon function. Fiber never gets in the body, so it can't be calculated from a. From that standpoint, it will reduce the body's absorption of other nutrients. So we factor it in. But, like, those are all worth four. And so if you're going through and you're counting up calories, you're like, Well, I had 2,000 calories. Like, that doesn't mean anything to me, right? If you had a thousand calories in fiber, you only brought in, like, what would equate to a thousand calories of nutrients? Because the fiber doesn't count at all and block a lot of the other stuff. So what I really want to know is how much, like, not only how many sugars, what was the glycemic response for those sugars? Like, you know, if you're eating, you know, if you're eating really, really clean stuff, like strawberries and stuff like that, or you're eating, you know, asparagus, you're eating avocados, you're eating these natural stuff. The glycemic level are very, very low. Like, you can eat all that stuff and still be great. It's when we start eating in these. These highly processed foods that, you know, maybe not have a whole lot of sugars, but the response they give us is a giant insulin spike. Well, you're going to have problems, metabolic problems, all over the place. So when you start bringing the GLP1s, like, the thing I love about the GLP1s is that I can take some with a fasting insulin of 15, 16, 17, where they're basically fully diabetic, and then I can craft a model for them. Like, look, here's your diet, here's your exercise, here's your hormone function return. You're going to use the GLP1s. For the next 10 weeks, we're going to fix the diabetic issue. We're going to fix this insulin response issue, this insulin resistance issue. And then when you come off of this, the diet you're going to be on that I build out of people's favorite foods, you're now going to be able to have a healthy lifestyle afterwards. Because, like, there's a lot of problems we get into with fat. Like, you know, a lot of the Cairos, a lot of people just, you know, it's just kind of common sense. If you have 100 pounds of fat on you, that's not good for your joints, your hips, your knees.

Right.

You know, but it's also producing hormones. So getting that off is really beneficial.

You know, and, and like somebody said, well, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's really bad for you, you know, GLP1. And I said, well, okay, so if you want to look at all the research, what's worse, being 100 pounds overweight or being on GLP1 for three months, six months? Because if you look at all the research of being 100 pounds overweight and you look at the research over here, the one overweight far, far exceeds the side effects of, of being on a minimal dose for a period of a short amount of time.

Yeah, we've had, we've had no issues with that. Like, no significant issues with ours. I've seen people come in who have issues and I've had to fix it. But, you know, we've had like, we've worked with a number of people and we haven't seen any negative, any real negative issues. The worst thing we get is because the way we do it, you know, like I tell people, like, like we titrate upon resistance. And so what that means is that, you know, take your. Because we do it, we don't do it in one weekly dope, big dose. We do it daily doses. So we can. Micro dosing, I guess, is kind of. Yeah, but so we'll hit it every day. And then they're like, well, how much should I take? I'm like, as soon as you feel like you've got nausea or as soon as you feel like you don't want to eat, that's your dose.

Right?

Like, so that's how we're going to, that's how we're going to titrate it. But the problem we get into is that it, it stacks and it lasts. And so what ends up happening is we come up, we find our dose, and then usually we'll have to drop back down just a little bit to be at that perfect piece where we don't have any issues. We can, you know, we don't, we can eat. We're not turned off by it. We're not made nauseous by it, but it's really producing the highest level of, of gain for us.

Right? We kind of call that eating up to where you know you're, you're satisfied, but not to where you're full. And if it may, if it gets you to the point where you, you know, you can't even eat to where you're satisfied, you're probably on too much or, you know, if you're, if you're getting nauseous, then you're kind of on that borderline of, of maybe taking too much. And I think that's a big indicator for people. I also recognize that a lot of times somebody feeling nauseous, maybe more from a fatty meal or maybe drinking alcohol or highly process, and that may be the reason why they feel nauseous. And so I think it's always important to understand, like, hey, what are things that people are doing that, you know, what are the telltale signs that they're doing to know if they're either eating the right things or maybe taking too much?

So typically when we go through, you want to start moving yourself into a position where your body is. Because the GLV1 is going to teach your body, hey, you haven't exercised this fat burning muscle very much, but we're gonna. That's all we're doing now is you're gonna start burning fat. And so if you can shift them over to a higher fat concentrated diet, a lower glycemic diet, they'll get used to it and then they can start, they can carry it through. And so that's where a lot of times I've had, I've worked with people and they'll lose 50, 60 pounds. And then they're like, man, I feel great. You know, all these things. And then, like, I'll talk to them a couple months after we discontinue the GLP1. They're like, I'm still losing fat. Like, is that okay? And I'm like, yeah, that's fine. Like, your body is now in a position where it's burning fat as its primary function. So one of the things that people don't understand because we don't talk about very well, is insulin levels inhibit glucagon function. So a lot of times People. People eating, like, look, well, you know, I. You know, these carbs or this type of thing. I don't know why I'm not losing fat. Well, it's because if your fasting insulin's too high, it'll keep your body from producing glucagon. So it's going to keep you from going into this using the hormones your body uses to reset all the biochemistry. Because what happens is that when you. More most people want to know, but as you start producing sugar on your own and your body starts sensing, hey, we have X amount of glucose in the body, we can produce X amount of ATP from glucose in the body. Your body goes, we should stop producing sugar. This is why you don't like, your sugars don't go to a thousand. You eat all your muscle tissues, right? He goes, all right, start producing insulin. The insulin will block the glucagon release, and then we will fall out of gluconeogenesis. And so what ends up happening is that if your insulin is already too high, your body's never going to start burning fat. It's only going to stick in sugar range. And so you've got to walk people through that piece first. But as soon as you do, like now, people can start burning fat as a fuel source like they're supposed to. And then there's a giant, giant ocean of awesome food that they can eat that will maintain that function. And so they can still have their pizza and their ice cream and their cookies and their cakes and all that stuff and be in a state where their body's burning fat. So that's what we have to start moving them over to. And if you'll do that, you don't have the. You know, I was on the GLP1, I lost weight. Then I got off, and I gained all the weight back. So I got to jump back on the GLP1. That Yo yo stuff is horrible for you, right?

So what. So, like, what are ways that you kind of manage that for people?

So, like, when we first start, I'm like, when I start working with people, I'm like, we gotta draw your blood. So I know your insulin levels are. Your hormone levels are. We can reset all that stuff. But I also want to know what your 10 favorite foods are and what you're normally eating. And so then we can construct a diet that will work for you during the. During the program and afterwards. And so that's basically what I have to know is like, where's your fasting insulin? Where's your testosterone levels? Where's your free test, like all that stuff, reset those hormones so the body will function, the metabolic piece will start working again and then we can start trying to breaking down this cycle that they put themselves in. Most of the time, 99% of the time it's not their fault. It's like, I'm eating these foods. People are like, I heard oatmeal was good and oatmeal is not great. But they're like, but I was eating this instant oatmeal and I'm like, okay, the glycemic function on your instant oatmeal is like 95. Like it's the same as donuts. And they're like, wait, what? And I'm like, yeah, like I thought it was good. I'm like, no, not really. And so once they understand how the food psych actually start working for them or against them, that's the easiest piece. Like once people start to understand it, then they can go out and eat whatever they want within the range of, you know, I understand what this is going to do my body. And that's been the biggest thing that we've seen be beneficial afterwards.

Yeah. So you talked a little bit about testosterone. You know, are you, when, when you have somebody that may come in, they're a male, are you putting them on, you know, TRT or are you using more natural ways or does it just kind of depend on the person?

So, you know, it's always funny because George Bush started this whole testosterone is not natural thing and I think it's hilarious. Putting testosterone in your body is more natural than putting vitamin C in your body because your body makes testosterone, it does not make vitamin C. So returning levels back to normal and optimal levels we find for men are somewhere between 800 and 1200. And so once we kind of get back up to that threshold, depression goes away, weight metabolic function comes back, sex drive comes back. Like the mental clarity comes back. It's great for women, it's between 80 and 250. And I will tell you, there is nothing more beneficial to a marriage than giving a woman's testosterone back where she's supposed to be. Because. Cause like I'll have, when I work on couples, it's awesome. They'll come in and they'll sit and they'll like when they first come in, they'll sit and they may pitch away from each other. After about three months of working in, they come in and they move the chair, literally move the chairs closer together and they'll sit down, they'll lean towards each Other. And I always pointed out to them like, so how do you feel your marriage is? And they're like, you know what, man? Past couple weeks we just felt really close, like really tight. And it's like, well, I wonder why that happened. Well, when you radically increase a woman's sex drive and you give her the ability to have earth shattering orgasms, she's probably going to want to have more sex, right? What that ends up happening to the marriage is that the guy, you know, most guys love, languages are, you know, physical touch.

Yeah, physical touch and sex.

Yeah, exactly. And so all of a sudden we're like, man, I am, I am loved, I am appreciated. Like my wife, like, man, she's so awesome. And now the guy is not obviously more willing to do all the things it takes for her to make her feel loved and appreciated. Now all of a sudden the marriage starts working again and that's super duper fun. But the testosterone thing, like I said, is supernatural. It is extremely important. It is the reason our bodies heal. When we start talking about metabolic function, we talk about ulcerative colitis, we start talking about dementia, we start talking about these things. Until we get the testosterone back where it's supposed to be, we can't get these people to heal. And so it is your healing hormone. The reason you heal is because your body says pushes testosterone out it and your bone density comes up. The osteoblastic function is driven by testosterone. All your functionality in your body is driven by testosterone. We have this giant amount of research that's coming out that's showing that lean muscle mass is what provides longevity, quality of life and health. And that's all driven by testosterone. So when you start adding the testosterone back into the body, all of a sudden everything starts getting better. And so that's one of those things where we look at it, don't look at this as a I have to swallow it or inject it. Look at it as, what are the natural chemicals your body was designed to have? Let's get those chemicals back up where they're supposed to be and you're good. And the reason, one of the other reasons I tell people testosterone is natural is because your body can alter it however it wants. If you give a woman testosterone, it will convert into estrogen. So hot flashes, night sweats, vaginal dryness go away in like 90% of the women I work with when we give them testosterone because it naturally converts into estrogen the way it naturally is supposed to. And so that's, that's where I'm like, dude, this is a natural function. Like, don't. Don't confuse this. Don't confuse testosterone sipionate with trinbollon. Like, that's, you know, that's a. That's a big thing.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, so the fda, I think, just came up with a thing, like, last week or something, right, that they dropped testosterone. I don't. I don't remember exactly the way they worded it, but I don't know if you saw that or not, but, yeah.

They dropped a black box warning on it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So which, you know, is pretty crazy to think that it's been on there and then now it's not, you know, so it's like, well, what made it do that, you know, overnight?

I'm kind of hoping it was RFK, because. All right, like, RFK 70. Like. Like, look at that guy. He is jacked.

Yeah, he is.

You want to talk about healthy? Like, that guy's. That guy's the way to go. So I'm hoping that he kind of came in what I would like. And it's kind of funny being the metabolic guy and the natural guy. Like, I'm a medical freedom guy at the very end of the day. And so, like, I would be. Like, I'd be fine with, like, you guys need to prove to me that whatever drug you're going to keep from us put on script for authority, has a significant threat to society. So, yeah, opioids, 100%. 100%. Those should be behind lock and key. We only use when we have to. I did a TED talk on replacing opioids with cannabis, because cannabis will basically substitute for opioids in the. Not in the surgical environment, but in the pain department outside of surgery about the vast majority of the time. Like, we had a lady who was on 10 milligrams of oxy three times a day, and I moved her over to the sublingual strips of cannabis that we have. And she was like, my pain is completely the same. My pain removal. So she had no pain. It was funny because she's like, but I like the cannabis a lot more. And I was like, why? And she's like, I don't have the anxiety anymore. And she was like, and I can finally go to the bathroom every day, like, I want to. Because opioids cause a massive amount of parasolsis stopping. So you. Because they cause constipation. So, like, there's a lot of things that I feel that like. Like, look, you know, if you need blood pressure meds, you should be able to go down and grab some. Until we figure out what is causing the problem, we fix the root cause, you gotta get that blood pressure down. Like, don't, don't tell me that I can't have the hormones and the chemicals that I need to get my body functioning. The FDA is trying as hard as they can to keep people from having BP 157. And they're like, oh, it just doesn't work. It works great if you use it for the right stuff. So the reason is because it's going to start stripping out a lot of the use for pharmaceuticals. My nurse practitioner has moved. She was on three pharmaceuticals for her arthritis. She only takes 157 now. And so it's her, she feels great. So, you know, there's a lot of that, that, you know, when the way that we look at what's going on in the body, we need to kind of take a step back and be like, whatever we've been doing anything. We haven't, it's not working. Yeah, we got to go somewhere else.

Well, someone, I heard someone say like the last, in the last week or two that they said peptides will end up being the new pharmaceutical, will take over the pharmaceutical industry. And they're, you know, kind of in the tug of war trying to hang on to it. But like, peptides are not really meant to be taken long term. Right. They're meant to be taken for a period of time to return our body back to kind of like that homeostasis. And then if, if symptoms or things come back, you know, you may reintroduce them, but they're not really meant to be taken all the time. Right. And like a, almost like a prescription medication in a sense, you know. So like, I think there's different variables in the peptide space that are not like the traditional, you know, medicine and things like that. And I think that's where sometimes people can get those mixed up in a sense. Right. That, you know, you're not on some of these peptides year round or for years, you know, trying to fix something.

So the way I look at that is I always tell people like, these are levers, right?

Yeah.

We're going to control the body with them. You should only. And this is the same thing I feel with medicine. You should only use the thing until you figure out how to fix the metabolic chemistry in your body to get it to do what you need it to do now. Yeah, again, like, I am a giant proponent of using growth hormone for kids who need to grow for healing. Like my office manager took a baseball to the face and broke her eye orbit and everything in like nine places. And she, they thought she was gonna lose her eye. They thought she was never gonna smile again. Cause the facial nerve was damaged. And we put her through a whole peptide routine and with Hyperbaric and she's totally fine now. And it was funny cause she went back and saw the surgeon and he was like, I have never seen anyone heal this fast. And he was like, and you're 60? He was like, how did, how did you do this? And it's always funny cause she was like, oh, we did all these peptides and stuff like this. I even talked to the guy and he was like, that's awesome. And. And I was like, yeah. I was like, do you want to know how to do it so you can use it with your patients? She's like, no, that's not what I do. And I'm like, okay. But you know, it's. Again, yeah, I like these things for short terms, like if you want to cycle some of the growth hormone stuff, that's great. What we start to see with all growth hormone, whether you're doing synthetic growth that you inject, or whether you're doing some of the growth releasing peptides like Samorin Hypormal and that blends by far my favorite. But as you do this too much and you get too much release of your own natural growth hormone. That's what it does. It causes you to release your own natural growth hormone. You still end up with issues with intestinal growth. So you get growth gut, you get more development in the bone structure. So jaw function, stuff like that. So it is one of those things that you gotta, one, know what you're doing and two, you gotta kind of titrate in, titrate out. I use it a lot for like our female athletes who come in and they're like, I wanna gain more muscle mass. If they're already on testosterone, like a lot of them are like, I want to use Anavar or when or something like that. And I'm like, you're going to lose your hair. Why don't we use a peptide to bring your growth hormone up a little bit and then you can get the muscle mass you want, you can change the dietary function that you want the way you want to. But you're not going to look, you're not going to suffer the androgen response and lose your hair. You're also not going to have some of the, the insomnia issues that you do with Anavar and that's been really beneficial for a lot of the women we work with because they're like, okay, like, I got the muscle mass I wanted. The workouts are awesome, you know, and I'm building my mass. I'm losing my fat, but I'm not losing my hair. And so that's been really beneficial. But, yeah, a lot of these things, I can't think of any of them that you'd want to be on for a long period of time.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I just hear, you know, I hear things where, you know, people, you know, you may be on an anxiety medication for years, right? And no one ever is like, oh, you may need to come off that. And it's like, well, I can't come off it because I'll die. You know, and it's like, it's just a different world. It's almost like the. The medical space is. They're just focused on, hey, just take this, you know, and then it's like the, the peptide space, like, kind of that you're in is like, well, we're going to use this for a period of time to help accelerate where your body needs to get back to. And then we're going to come off of it. And so it's almost like there's two different paradigms, you know, that you're working through.

You know, I think a lot of the. A lot of the issue we come up with when we look at the medical model, I would tell them, like, it's not their fault. Like, what happened was that, let's go back 150 years, right, when surgeries were killing you and, like, you died from everything. And people got tired of, like, I fell off my horse and broke my arm and then ended up lending me dying, or, you know, I got a scrape on my leg and I got infected and I died. Like, you know, we gotta fix this emergency medicine stuff. And I'll tell you, man, our western medicine from emergency medicine standpoint, someone who's used it a couple times is unbelievable. Like, it is miraculous what our surgeons can do and our ER docs can do. And it's amazing. But a lot of that is those medicines, everything. Like, we're going to stop the way the body's working right now. We're going to hijack it. We're going to make it do these things right now because we're in shock. We're in this just trauma state. We got to force it to not do these things so we can do this stuff over here. And that's okay, for a short period of time. The problem is that when you start saying, well, we're going to use these same pharmaceuticals over a long period of time, we're going to force the body to do something different over a long period of time, that's when we start seeing things breaking down. And so that's where I think a lot of people are starting to recognize that's taking us a while, but to come in and be like, hey, maybe we shouldn't be knocking this stuff off. Like we are. Like for instance, when we start looking at statin drugs and what it does to the brain, what it does to hormone levels, what it does to everything. And we started looking at the research and statin drugs have almost zero benefit long term. We've started kind of, everybody started to kind of look at me like, you know what? We are going to have to go back to that diet and exercise thing to get us where we need to go.

Is the future of peptides, you know, say in the next like one to three years. And then also with, you know, chiropractors and integrating peptides.

You know, I would like, you know, as far as chiropractic or medical guys, like whoever's integrating them, that'd be great as long as they just know what they're doing. The biggest problem we get into is people use a tool, they hurt somebody with it and then they come back and they go, we should ban this tool. No, the people who are using it properly are getting great results. Like, don't take the tool away, just make people learn how to use it. So that would be the first thing that's Cairo or medical guys who are using it. The. I think the future of peptides is going to end up. It depends on how RFK handles it. If the FDA comes out and you know, the NIH and the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies were all kind of tied together. If they try to take it away so they can just profit off of it, I think we're gonna have some issues. We'll have to see kind of where that goes. But I think the future of peptides is going to be, you know, especially if we leave them with people who are like knowing what they're doing with them. I think we're gonna see a lot of really positive benefits from, you know, like I said, I've got a 17 year old who is a decent amount shorter than the rest of the men in his family and his genealogical line. And we were using Smoreland hypormalin and he gained a little over Half an inch in like four and a half, five months. So that's one of those things we use for a short period of time. But that's gonna have effects on the rest of that kid's life. Because like, imagine if you're, you know, the difference between 5, 9 and 6ft as a man. Like, I mean just. And it's like, well, that's not the big of a deal. It's a gigantic deal. Like you look at all the women, you're like, what do you want? It's like he's got to be 6ft tall and blah, blah, blah. And you're like, that's 1% of all the men. So growing these kids up is a massive, massive benefit to their long term life. But you're only going to use the peptides for a short period of time. So I think we're going to start to see a lot more use out of these peptides and a lot more benefit to long term health. Telomere length, things like that, you know, kickstarting metabolic function and then being able to take a step back and letting them maintain itself because we've done so much damage to ourself with the processed foods and the trash foods and the, you know, all that type of stuff. We're going to have to do something to kind of get us over that hump.

Yeah, for sure. Give me, give me your top two, let's just say natural kind of like hacks for health that you would say, you know, are, are probably two of the most important, but somebody could do at home, they don't necessarily need a peptide or something else to, to get the result from it.

The number one thing, and there's no research that even comes close on anything else is exercise, specifically resistance exercise. You want to look at it from a depression standpoint, you want to look at, from a cardiovascular standpoint. You want to look at it from, you know, any aspect you want to look at it from. Resistance training is going to be the number one thing that's going to benefit your life. And then the other thing is, and this isn't a single thing, but if you can get the processing out of your food, you will get substantially healthier and you will feel it pretty quickly. Like I always talk to people about who do Carnivore and they're like, man, I just, I feel amazing on Carnivore. Like meat is just the greatest thing ever. And I'm like, well, meat's great for you. I'm not trying to say it's not at all however, one of the big things you got to understand is that you've also started radically reducing the toxins, the processed foods that you're taking in when you go onto a proper carnivore diet. And so just you increase the good, but you radically decrease the bad. And that's one of those things that's really helping people the most.

All right, we're back and rolling. You can hear me, okay, right?

Yeah.

Okay, cool. So, obviously, Matt, you work with a lot of people. I want to kind of go through some rapid fire. Just questions for you. If there was one simple health hack for somebody out there, it could be anything that you really think that this would be huge for anybody and their health. Like, what would you recommend?

You know, lots of things pop to mind. Getting your sleep ready, get your hormones ready. But the number one thing I think could help everybody is get all the processing food out of your diet. I don't care if you're carnivore or vegan, get the processing out and you'll be better.

And when you say processing, what would you mean by that?

So any. Anything man has done to touch it. So, like, if you. Any, like, if you look at the ingredients and it's a. It's a name you don't recognize, it's a chemical name. It's probably processed. Anything that comes in a box or a bag, it's got to go. If you, if you'll change, if you'll start making most of your food at home, your health will go up almost every single time from that.

Okay, awesome. I mean, that's. I think that kind of comes back to that, you know, one to, like, two or three ingredient rule. Right. Where it's like, that's got more than that. It's probably processed.

Yeah.

So that's good. Okay, so what is your number one, you know, health habit that you do every day? Never miss.

The thing. So I work out six days a week. So that's a big one. I take my supplements every single day. That is. That is the one thing that I. I never like when I travel. I take all my supplements with me. And so the supplementation thing is the nutritional chemical thing is big.

What's. What's your number one supplement, man? Ah.

So if you're fasting, it's going to be either the methylated B vitamins or the collagen. I take about 30. So I'm taking, you know, methylated B vitamins. I'm taking me Omega 3s, my D. You know, I don't know if there's one that I can tile it, pare it down to. But I would say if I was going to choose a couple, it'd be the methylated Bs, the omega 3s, the D3. Those would be my. Those would be my top ones.

Okay, cool. And then, you know, obviously, I always like asking questions around habits. You know, that's the name of my podcast. But what do you think is the number one habit, man, that's really helped you be successful in business?

Information like it was. I would wake up at four and I'll read medical research for a couple hours knowing exactly what's going on. The biochemistry. Knowing what's going on in my. In my world. So my world is health, and health is metabolic biochemistry. So knowing that information and never tiring from getting more information, that's the thing that helps me, you know, continue to provide the service I do at the level I do.

All right, I'm gonna change that up. I'm gonna say investigation, because I. I heard you a couple times, man, talk about how much time you put into just investigating. You know, I would imagine a case comes up for somebody, you. You'll investigate and find the answer, which I. I think is a really cool, you know, thing. It's almost like, you know, you. It's like, dude, I have to know this answer because my client's life depends on it. So I actually, I'm gonna give that to you. And so now you can walk around and tell everybody. And my number one habit is investigation.

So, yeah, yeah, that's. And that's. That's a big one because, like, I get, like, all my doc buddies send me people, and they're like, I don't know what's going on with her. It could be psychological. Like, you. You figure it out. I'm like, okay, I love a puzzle. So, yeah, investigating is a big deal.

That's awesome. All right, man. So if somebody maybe dealing with some of the health issues we've talked about and, you know, you know, they. They're. They went to some other people. They don't have the answers they're looking for. Like, how would someone get in contact with you?

Websites, pillars of wellness.com. they can call the office or hit me up on Social. It's Dr. Chalmers. And then the number one.

Okay, cool. If you guys are listening to this, you can go into the show notes and you can click on the link. It'll take you directly to Matt's website or his social media every week. I mean, he's putting out content. He's putting out live videos where you know he's talking about a lot of things he, he talked about on the podcast. So make sure you go check him out, go check out his page. Matt, I want to thank you man for being on the show today. You brought a lot of value, love the work you're doing and can't wait to see what you continue to do, man. Thank you.

Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

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