How your content can be the engine for your business' growth with Trevor Merriden

Hello and welcome to this episode of the Unnoticed Entrepreneur. And today I'm delighted to have Trevor Meriden join me all the way from St. Albans in the UK to talk about content. Trevor, welcome.

Thank you very much. It's great to be on your podcast.

It's wonderful to have you here on the Unnoticed show because you're an expert in content, content strategist, thought leadership. Tell us, how should an entrepreneur think about content, Trevor, in order to help them get noticed?

Well, I mean, a thing that you need to remember is that the main reasons why people don't produce content, a lot of say they don't have time to produce content, or they might not have the confidence to get it out of themselves, or if they do get it out themselves, that it won't actually make a difference. And what I'm saying to a lot of entrepreneurs is you can move from this kind of vicious circle, if you like, you know, time, impact and confidence to, to one where actually you see content in a different way. You don't see content as something you have to do in order to get noticed, but actually it's something that works in terms of the development of your business, in terms of getting feedback for what you're saying in content, that you're gaining knowledge yourself, even if you are an expert through content, and also helps you to innovate through content. So that's my principal starting point, that content is an engine for growth, which I think any entrepreneur would probably want to hear more about.

Absolutely. So really changing the mindset, aren't you, from it being a task to being an essential part of the strategy development, Trevor. So how would an entrepreneur go about that? And then we'll tackle later with the skill sets. But from a mindset point of view, how do they take that approach then, Trevor?

Well, if you appeal to what the mindset of an entrepreneur would be, let's give you three examples. They would maybe want to increase their sales, for example. And I can give you an example of a business that I worked with in developing their content, a business in London called Green park, where I helped them develop a set of thought leadership papers around the DNA of the future retail CEO. And what they did was that they went and interviewed all the great and the good in retailing their potential clients for their recruitment and interim recruitment business. And they started a sort of big conversation, if you like, around what do CEOs of the future need? And so they were able to use that in order to leverage their view of the world from which they got feedback. So if we equate feedback to increasing sales or something. What happened was they produced this report, it went out to the World Retail Congress and generated huge amounts of conversations, sales conversations that they otherwise wouldn't have. So in entrepreneurial language, you can see ways in which content actually impacts the feedback. They get back in, structures the conversation and then helps sales.

I think that's a really innovative approach to also help the entrepreneur not think that they've got to be saying something all the time. Right. It's almost listening first.

Yeah. And this is the crucial thing. If I took another example of where you're using content to improve your own knowledge. And you know, I work with an organization called the Top Employers Institute. They have a big treasure trove of data, which they weren't, in all honesty, until a few years ago, doing very much with where they are certifying BODI for about 1800 top organizations around the world where they had all this benchmarking data. They were using it, but not particularly effectively. And what we helped them do was develop their data to tell stories, which then increased their own knowledge of their own sort of current database and their future sort of certified organizations, the way that they could perhaps appeal to them by pointing out areas of strength and weakness. And they also improved the knowledge of their clients, the certain member organizations. So you use content as a knowledge enhancer, both for yourself and also, of course, for your clients. I mean, this one other example, if I may, which is all about innovation, where you are, for example, using content to break into new markets. And I've worked in the public sector with the likes of the British Council, where they were trying to get more of a foothold in the higher education market in Southeast Asia. And what they were trying to do that for was that there was a big demand for higher education amongst the population. This is an area you'll know something about, having spent some time in that area. Jim, as I'm sure your listeners know, there was a big demand for higher education. And the idea was to introduce implants of British universities into those sectors in Southeast Asia as an alternative way of gaining higher education. And so what they did was they innovated in that market to have a set of conferences, a whole load of thought leadership work around that, but whereby they then introduced the likes of this university or that university in England to develop. So that was an innovative approach to developing content with the aim of creating a new market.

Trevor, you've mentioned how people can go out and if you like, interview potential customers, partners, but you've also just slipped in there about an event. Event and a conference, creating content. Can you just elaborate on that? Because I think that's often a missed opportunity for companies and entrepreneurs. If there's an event, how can they create content from that?

Yeah, and this goes back to what I was saying at the start, that when people, particularly maybe solopreneurs or people who have no particular expertise in marketing, they develop their content. So they develop a blog or even a paper and then they put it out there, quotes out there. I'll get onto that bit in a minute as to what out there means. And then they wonder why not much happens as a result. There is so much that can be done in terms of the impact of what you have if you repackage and repurpose your content in other ways. Jim, you're a master at this. I know with you taking material from your podcast and you've had a very successful book that's come out and I'm sure there's others on the way. And what you are good at, but a lot of people are not good at is actually realizing that once they get it out of themselves, that content can be used in all sorts of different ways. That book can turn into a conference, that conference can turn into a set of videos, it could be repackaged, repurposed all the way down, and then it could be packaged up with your next idea where you are using this. And there's no, there's no shame in that, by the way. A lot of people seem to have this idea that they produce something and then they can't reuse it in some way. It's almost like a psychological barrier. But if it helps explain an evolving message that you have as a business, then why not?

Trevor, you mentioned and touched upon different formats as well. Would you like to just drill down into that? Because many people think content creation is writing, but actually in this world it's much more than that, Trevor. So just take us through. What do you think are some of the opportunities for the business owner in terms of multi format content?

Yeah. Okay. So for example, there's two ways you can do this. One is you build up from the ground upwards, and one is that you work downwards from a big idea or a big concept. I'll take the first one. First, that you produce lots of micro content, if you like that, you've got a set of opinions, a set of blogs, a video, a podcast, and you bring those together and you start to see patterns in that, and then you start to produce an overarching theme for a bigger Idea which could be for example a book. But the whole idea is that a lot of this content is transferable. You have to take care. Of course the content that you're producing suits the medium or is being repurposed in a way that makes sense. You wouldn't just read a book cover to cover. If you appearing in a video, for example, you would have to adapt things or put the messages in simpler ways. And it also depends on the audience that you're trying to reach. That's for from the bottom up, the way that I tend to do it with my clients and there's no right or wrong about this. I work with clients, particularly around the area of thought leadership where I am helping them to say what are the two or three issues, the burning issues that your clients are facing? And I get clients to talk about them in depth, not for the purposes of us producing a document which says this is what we think you know, it is saying this is an issue that we know is facing our buyer. You're putting yourself in the shoes of the customer that you are innov through showing that you are listening to your customers and that you therefore have some certainty that the content you're producing, for example in a thought leadership paper is a big overarching issue that people are exercised about that big overarching theme. And you produce your paper or your book or whatever, you then can break down the content into lots of bits of mini content. You say, well actually this theme is actually divided into two or three sub themes and we can do some blogs out of that, we can do a video, we can work at this in other ways, more immediate content that will engage interest a more bite sized kind of way. So it's possible to work from the ground up or from the top down.

Right. Trevor, what's your thought about the impact of infographics and video as well to complement this sort of text driven. So far you've really talked more about about print for example.

Yeah, I mean that's my background. So I, I tend to have a natural sort of bias towards talking in print. Infographics, for example, a fantastic way of getting attention, creating interest and leverage and so on. Infographics on their own, in my opinion, great in terms of generating interest, but they can't be produced in isolation. They have to be produced in the context of a bigger kind of content strategy. There has to be a strategy around what you're doing as to why you're producing those infographics. And so you need to do it from the point of view of like how does this fit in, even if it's visually beautifully appealing, to actually understand why people understand that they are looking at it as part of a reason or a journey you are taking the customer on in order that they then have an awareness that you, the company, are a master of the issues that the infographic tackles.

So, Trevor, so far you've talked a lot, really more about text, but what about other formats? For example, infographics, video clips, maybe audio clips? I was talking to a lady the other day called Nora at a company called hello Audio that does internal podcasts, for example. So can you just tell us your view on multi format content?

Well, I mean, I am more of an expert on the writing side of things, so that's my age, my generation, and that's where I sort of come from on that. But if you take the case of infographics, for example, there is no doubt that there is these days a growing and emerging trend towards people looking at more likely to be looking at sort of video content or visual content through an infographic, for example. What I would say on that is that those sorts of content should be exploited to the maximum, of course, but my contention is that they have to be part of an overall strategy around content. That there has to be a reason, a purpose. If you've got the right strategy, then the infographic ideas sort of come themselves. I think too often what happens is that marketing departments or entrepreneurs who are trying to get notice produce infographics in isolation or short video clips in isolation without understanding how these relate to the issues facing their own buyers. They may be popular, they may get them noticed for a short period of time, but in my mind, they need to be part of an overall content strategy.

Okay, Trevor, so let's just think then about how you make content interesting. You referred to it just slightly there about people creating content that doesn't really have an audience, but rather has kind of a need to produce. How do you help clients to make sure that what they're producing is engaging content?

It's got to be engaging not from their point of view, it's got to be engaging from the point of view that they're talking to. And that's really, really important. So you've got to be thinking when you produce content around, you know, who are you serving with this content, who are you actually trying to reach? So in your mind you have, you know, if you're a slightly larger entrepreneur, you know, 10 clients who you could just imagine having this conversation with about this particular issue that you are addressing through the content, I tend say to people that just have three issues that you think that your clients and focus relentlessly on those areas of content. It's not about whether it reflects the new WYSI product that you've just produced, but whether these are genuinely issues. And you will know that if you are having regular conversations with your clients, if you don't have any clients and you're just starting out, then you are talking to your prospects and just listening very carefully about the sorts of things they are saying about the issues. That's sort of number one thing. Second thing thing is around how you will say it. You've got a medium that you know your clients or your prospects, you, you will ask them questions. You might be able to observe. Where is it that you might hang out? Example, in terms of, for example, social media, is your target market more to use LinkedIn or is it more likely to use Facebook? You know, what is it likely to use? And also how do they receive that content best? Are they, you know, as we've just been talking about, are they more likely to be receptive to infographics rather than thought leadership papers and so on? Then the third thing is about consistency that you are producing, producing innovative, as in hitting the spot in terms of the issues you're addressing, and it combines it with consistency. Different markets have different rhythms, okay, but it's important that you, that you do stick to some kind of rhythm. And that could be a combination of created content or repurposed content or repackaged content. But it's really important that you have some sort of rhythm going on where you have a consistency and it's actually you're not producing it in a flurry, A blizzard of content over the course of a week or two, and then nothing for three months. That's no good. You just need a consistency, a consistent flow in what you're doing.

Trevor, you have hit on one of the sort of big questions, haven't you? How much is enough? What is the frequency that it should be for a business?

I haven't got a magic formula about this, but I would say that very often there is a little bit of trial and error involved in these things. But I personally would not be posting in the chosen medium more than two or three times a week. I don't think there is any set rule on this because it depends what kind of market you're in. And I would do a combination of a piece of created content, a piece of curated content where you're using somebody else's content, and also engagement through maybe a conversation about something you'd notice during that week and what do people think and actually asking questions. I'd say no more than two or three times a week. It does vary across mediums and across sectors. But the more important thing, I think is around the consistency. You will kind of know if you're doing it too much because you will find after a while of people engaging content that suddenly there's a little bit of a prairie wind or a wall of silence that starts to grow up around content that you've produced. And that will be you, that either the subject you've picked is not particularly interesting or in tune with what they're doing, or that you're just doing it too much.

Trevor, I've got to then ask you. Perhaps the other big question is how can people get content created for them? Because most entrepreneurs are A, too busy and B, they are not necessarily content creators. They're not writers or video producers or graphics designers and don't want to have a canva account where they're trying to match the fonts. How do you recommend people entrepreneurs outsource content? Content creation?

Well, 80%, would you believe, of content creation is outsourced. And I actually spend a lot of my time educating entrepreneurs, both startup and scale up, to encourage them to produce their own content. Because I feel that actually it's not as difficult as you might think if you've got the right tactics. But if you are in a situation where you think, yeah, I know all that, but I still want to outsource it, then I think you need to look for certain things in terms of your content provider. And I think there are certain. To me, you know, whatever, whichever partner you work with on this, I think that they need to show recognition in two or three ways. One is that they recognize the value of what the nature of content is at the moment. And it almost divides into external and internal that, that the world has changed quite a lot, as we all know, in terms of buying and selling. And it's also changed the way of thought, leadership and content creation. And that creating content is much more about starting the debate in the market at the moment that you are actually saying, I don't know all the answers, none of us know all the answers. But this is what we, the organization, are thinking about the issues that are affecting you, the buyer, and that we are starting make. So go for a content provider that really understands that we are moving from me to we in that sense that you want to be portraying yourself, not. Not just being somebody who got knowledge and expertise, but also going with the customer on a journey. That's the external element. In terms of looking for someone who's the right person, then I would say that the best content providers help sort of, I don't know how what the best way to put it is that they're very collaborative in that they'll be interested in working with you with the grain of your business and really getting to know what the issues are in that business. They are equally as curious about their your business from a point of view of enhancing their knowledge and becoming mini experts and almost like getting the sense of your voice in what you're trying to communicate. Also I'd say the best providers are those who help you provide and get clarity of mind or clarity of purpose around things. They can actually enhance your own knowledge within a business of what it is that you're trying to sell people because they have a gift. If you're talking about wordsmiths, for example, they will help you express things. There may be ways that you've been struggling to express them before, so there's an internal benefit there as well.

Trevor, if people have got a desire to get the benefit of your experience, how can they find you?

Trevor Meriden okay, well you could find me on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is where I kind of hang out most. If you like. Trevor Meriden Meriden's M E double R I D E N so you'd find me easily. Be delighted to connect with you. If you want old fashioned, email me. You do. Trevor Meriden merryborn media.co.uk so that's me. Double R I B o r n.

Med media.co.uk Trevor Meriden Content specialist extraordinaire we did hear the St Albans bells. I wonder whether the audience will hear that, the listener will hear that or not. But thank you for joining me today from St. Albans to share about content.

It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you.

You've been listening to me, Jim James on the Unnoticed Entrepreneur show with Trevor Meredith, all about content. Thank you so much for joining us on this episode.