Angelo Sisco - The Identity Alchemist

The biggest things where I really started learning to uncover identity alchemism and even break down the parts and. And those of you that are listening, Identity alchemism is really what I really imagine is our special sauce and in our program. And it's. It's about having an outcome. But then what do you need to do to have and actually do that outcome? And then these. You need to be the person, and so you. First, you have your thoughts. I need to like a rich person to make a lot of money. Then I need to speak like a rich or wealthy person to be a wealthy person. And then I will do the actions that a wealthy person does, and then I will do them often enough that they become my habits. And then my outcome is, is that I will be wealthy.

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Tell the audience. So today. Yeah, yeah. Don't listen. Mute your headphones. Today we have the one and only, the Mr. Alpha Hippie himself. His name is Angelo Cisco. Cisco, I think. It's actually a Cisco, I think. But I'll say Cisco because we wanted to have him back on the show because he's. We've been. We've been helping each other out. Yep. He's been helping us up a level. Some. Some really cool stuff that we're going to speak about now, which is basically helping us show up as more pro men.

Yes.

But when it comes to business, life, just happier, having more fun, just being chill and doing some cool shit along the way.

Yeah, we had him on once before, and back when we talked to him last time, he actually was running a CrossFit gym in Chicago.

Very successful.

He went on to sell that business and move over to Southern California. And we asked him, you know, why did you come to Southern California? And we got some. I think we got some interesting insights into the way his brain works just through finding out why he moved over to California.

How did you know that? You said you didn't know what's to come. So Matt's a liar. We cannot trust you, sir.

I cannot be trusted.

Cannot be trusted. But I thought the audience knew we were joking. Oh, man. Okay. They're in on the joke. So I would say a Big takeaway. One of the big things you'll get here through the course of conversation. Cause we just jump right in as we love it, is be ready to look at your identity in a new light. And that might sound a little scary, but you're gonna have some actionable tips and things that will shine a light on things you probably not have been thinking about. And it'll allow you to move and groove through life a little easier.

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What's up, Mr. Cisco? How you doing?

I'm absolutely amazing. So excited to. To be here, to be on the show with you guys. Amazing day. How are both of you?

Absolutely fabulous. It's a great day here. It's a podcast day and we're chatting with one of our favorite humans. We've been chatting about you quite often lately. Yeah, it's on other episodes.

Anybody listening to the podcast has heard your name come up on probably the last three or four episodes.

That's right. Mr. Alpha Hippie himself, Angelo Sisco is in the house. Ooh, yeah, man.

Thank you so much.

There it is.

Nice title, but yeah.

So you was it two years, three years ago? We've had you on. I don't know. How long has it been?

Do you remember?

I don't know.

Yeah.

But it's been a couple years since you were on the show and we'll make sure we link up in the show notes. So anybody who wants to hear your backstory and you know, kind of how you got to where you are. We did talk about it in the last episode, but I know there's more to the story since then and I think that's what we're gonna get into today.

Things have changed. You're now just right up the road from us. Used to be in Chicago when we chatted last, I remember you had all these epic whiteboards everywhere. I think in your condo or something. You're in San Clemente now.

In my apartment, my living room was all whiteboards. Remember when we had that first meeting even about O', Hare, CrossFit and Evergreen profits? It was just me like writing on the walls and it was everywhere.

He had like no shirt on. It must have been a hot frigging Chicago day. I'm like, who's this guy just writing on all of his walls? I'm like, it looked like a. I don't know what to call it, but it was crazy. I've never seen anything like it, man. So what actually, what brought you to, you know, I don't want to say San Diego, but it's San Clemente where you're at, so. Cal. That's right. What. What brought you here and like what's the change looked like since Chicago to now? I know it's been a year since you've been here.

Yeah. So what really brought me here originally was a lot of my transformational work and my self discovery work. That's where.

I first why I first ventured in, into Southern California and then I was in Encinitas and coming back and forth through here and a friend of mine, Marcus, who lives in. In the area, I would come visit him around San Clemente. There's something about San Clemente to me that has such a nostalgia about it. Some people love novelty, which I imagine, you know, I do too. But I'm a sucker for nostalgia.

What kind of nostalgia are we talking?

Like 1960s America, like early 60s, when the debate was who's going to be the president, Kennedy or Nixon. But no one was mad about either one. Like. Right. Like that type of era where it was cool to be American. Cool. The nuclear family was the thing. Right. You know, you. All of that. I love the idea of that, you know, in my house, you know, that was a really big part of my upbringing. Like, my mother grew up 1954, this year, my parents were born. So that early 60s, my mother still knows where she was the day Kennedy got shot. You know, just all of that was in my life. My mother grew up in Beatles mania.

That's right.

Right. Like these amazing times. My dad was the rebel, so he liked the Rolling Stones more.

You.

You know the deal. Right. Just like these were the discussions of the times, you know, and when the more I hung out around San Clemente, the neighborhood itself, like near the beach, it looks and feels that way and felt that way. And when Rocio and I had our son Santiago, in 2013 or 2019, excuse me. I really started looking at, you know, what we wanted life to be like for us and was where we were living right now, where we would want to raise our son, even though that we were raised there. Is that really where we wanted to raise a child? We really didn't love being in that energy.

Chicago.

Yeah, the vibration of Chicago and also to the lack of nature and environment.

That's true.

I really believe the environment is much shaped by how lack of nature, vitamin D and all of that vibe is. It's not as welcoming to me as it once was many, many years ago. And I really believe it's because of this lack of being in nature and lack of all that stuff. And so we decided in 2019 that we were going to move to San Clemente. And February I started inviting everyone I knew that was going to be to a fourth of July party. We told our. Our family. I cooked everyone a Christmas dinner, both sides of our family. 18 people before everyone left. I go, hey, guys, real quick. I got an announcement to make. Me and Rose throw up there. I go, we're moving to California in the summer.

And they were like, I'm like, yeah, see you guys. And. And then do 2020 came.

And dang, what a year to be here.

2020 showed everyone what they were really prepared for as far as depth of chaos, like your chaos tolerance, for sure. And for me, someone that has been such a Practitioner of going deep into myself and to my discomforts and fears. To me, it was when I got to show everyone this is why I've been sitting around timing my breathing and like it was almost my show out year. That's what I felt like I was like, I've been waiting for. For this. This is when I. This is when I separate myself from other people, not fall with other people. This is. Oh, God. Have you guys ever heard the song I Need a Hero by Bonnie Tyler? It's one in Footloose when they're doing the Tractor Chicken showdown.

Yeah. And the opening line is, where have all the good men gone? And where are all the gods? Where's the street wise Hercules to fight the rise in us? And I would listen to that every day of that lockdown. And I go on the street wise Hercules. Here I go, baby. And it just like all showed up that way. That's how I really spelled myself into believing and continuing to believe in it. And something that you guys alluded to earlier about the identity alchemy is that's who I saw myself as. Not the guy that was. I'm the streetwise Hercules to fight the rise in these people, the chaos in these people. I'm not meant to fall into their chaos.

Yeah.

I'm here to harmonize it. Here I go, baby. My best shot. And that's what really led us through being here the last year. And now that we're here a year, I feel. I've never felt like the first year boys. Getting out here was the big lift. And then I spent most of 2020 and then into this early part of this year in my own chaos, trying to figure out what it was like to be out here and frankly live this California lifestyle that I really didn't know. Yeah, like visiting it is one thing, but living in it is a whole nother idea. So it's been awesome.

That's. And it's been a cool time getting to know you further, man. And both of us, you know, we've. We've started. We just hung out not too long ago, a couple weeks ago up there, had a cool afternoon brainstorming business stuff. But it's cool to kind of bring our minds together now. And I've. It's. It's obvious hanging around you kind of this different. Just a different approach. You have a different perspective of almost everything. It seems like there's always a great story attached to it that anchors the thing in. You're like, oh, damn. I've never thought about it that way.

Yeah, you know, on that point, I'm actually kind of curious. The storytelling, is that like, is that something that you developed over time or do you think that's something that's just kind of always innately been in you?

Great question. Man. I grew up around men that knew how to chew to fat and bullshit.

I really did. Like, everyone knew how to give a good story. Everyone knew that the story was 65, 70% true. 30. But it was such a great story, you know, hanging out on the front stoop or outside a cafe, you know, everyone just let it go and then someone else would go, you know, they try to call someone out on their BS or they would give their version of another story. And. And so I grew up around lot of really great storytellers and also too, I've. I really am a pop culture, movie, movie and music person where I've always been into that. I was never really athletic and so my athlete or even how I look now, that was much later in my life. So as a younger kid I really spent a lot of time. Remember Goosebumps? I was like an RL style junkie, really. God, just all the different ones that would come out, I would read a Goosebumps in a day. I was one of those kids, you know, that was really into story and movie and just having this, this opportunity. And then further down the road I go and learn more about cognitive behavioral therapy and what it really is like to work and you know, transformation or identity alchemism as I really like to call it. Guys, it's all about recreating the stories. And then when I was going deeper in business, how much more is everything about building a story brand, winning the story rose, always sell a story. And I'm just like, oh, I've been getting trained in enterprise and healing myself ever since I was 3 years old. Hanging out on the stoop.

Yeah, you're a front stooper, right? That's what I heard.

Front stoop.

Not just that too, but like the ability to tell a good story. You can now analogize things, right? Like you could create analogies when you're trying to explain concepts and you're trying to help us understand some of the mental models that you're out there teaching. You teach them in a way where you tell a story that kind of feels unrelated, but by the time you get to the end of the story, you're like, ah, okay, now I understand what you're trying to say over here. Right? So the ability to tell stories makes you really good at analogies. Which makes you an excellent teacher. Like when we were hanging out with you just a couple weeks ago, I remember every single question I would ask. You'd be like, matt, let me tell you something. And then you'd branch off into a story, and you'd answer my question within the story instead of just going straight to the answer. And I feel like that ability just locks it in for people.

Yeah. So I'd love to unpack that for you.

That'd be great.

So one of the biggest things where I really started learning to uncover identity alchemism and even break down the parts and those of you that are listening, identity alchemism is really what I really imagine is our special sauce and in our program. And it's. It's about having an outcome. But then what do you need to do to have and actually do that outcome? And it needs. You need to be the person. And so you. First, you have your thoughts. I need to think like a rich person to make a lot of money. Then I need to speak like a rich or wealthy person to be a wealthy person. And then I will do the actions that a wealthy person does, and then I will do them often enough that they become my habits. And then my outcome is, is that I will be wealthy. Oftentimes people get stuck in just trying to do the wealthy things, but you only do what you believe. It's not logical. It's about identity shifting. That's why it's identity alchemism. Thoughts to words to actions, actions repeated or habits equals outcomes. So I started studying what a thought was. And this will get back to your point, Matt. I'm bringing it around. Just like we said. A thought is an image and a feeling, and then our words translate it. So if you tell a good story, you get someone to imagine and feel, and then they could wrap their head around the thought.

Would you say that the. Like, the feeling gets them tapped into themselves and maybe a story that they have playing already in their mind, so it relates to that immediately, subconsciously, even.

Sometimes, or sometimes I'm trying to recreate the image. Joe, great question. So that's why I give such a thorough story. So I could take you with me and not have us be in miscommunication.

So that's why, Matt, when you ask it. When you ask a question, sometimes I don't answer it right away because how many times has miscommune. How many times in a disagreement, miscommunication or misunderstanding have been that I see patients like this, and you see patients like this, like one word Being misunderstood. But if I could delete your version and get you seeing it. My version, my point of view, we could develop an empathy and an understanding. And then from the root, we have context. And then no matter what else happens after that, we know that the chances of us having some sort of disagreement, conflict, are less and less.

Yeah.

So it leads actually to better communication. Because oftentimes what people believe is something in their past. When you bring something up, it's no different to me than when someone's like, yeah, you want to try this? This pizza? What's on it? Mushrooms. Oh, I hate mushrooms. Why? Because when you were six, it's a past story. How do you know you hate these mushrooms, bro? You didn't even try one. Yeah, you get me, you know, or like, you know, for instance, with the bags, like, that's why I sell the bag so hard. Because how many people go, tobacco.

Dun, dun, dun. Right. And they go into this reading every surgeon's label.

Yeah.

Well, when you say tobacco, that's actually a really good example because I think my whole relationship and perspective on tobacco went a complete 180 degree shift just from spending a day with you.

Right.

Where going into the conversation I probably had this negative spin on tobacco is like, tobacco, you know, it's bad, it kills people. Everybody smokes cigarettes. It's like disgusting. Blah, blah, blah. Right. But then, like, we have a discussion, and before I can even sort of air out what I don't like about tobacco, you're telling me a story that brings it all the way around so that my arguments are in. They're not invalid, but they're irrelevant to the conversation we're having.

Right. Because most of it's based off being a victim some way. Right. But the people that sue McDonald's, not McDonald's fault. Don't go there.

It's not your place.

Don't eat nuggets every day, Jack. Be fat. It's guaranteed. I mean, like, you know what I'm saying? But that's so much of what holds our lives back.

Yeah.

Is having those past thoughts and experiences. And that's why being able to. To give good stories and recreate stories and all of that in our minds, then creates new thought patterns, new neural pathways for our brain of understanding, expands us.

Yeah.

And then can allow for shifts.

Yeah. So basically everybody's kind of. They're walking around with the stories, the stories from their past that, that, you know, the stories are what lead to a lot of the decisions they make in life right now. So the philosophy you have Is you've already got these stories. Me trying to make tweaks to your stories isn't going to work. So I'm just going to replace these stories. So I'm just gonna. I'm gonna get the story you've got here. I'm gonna replace it real quick. Now we're operating from this point of view, right?

And now we're operating from the same anchor. When we have the same anchor, we're starting together.

And so the disagreement or misunderstanding and even the rigidness falls away, because before you knew it, you were open to trying. And now all of a sudden, you're like, yeah, tobacco is not bad. The user is.

Yeah. Or the way it's used, it's misunderstood, misused.

Just like the Internet. Just like McDonald's, just like junk food.

Is there a good use for McDonald's, though? Let's. Let's. Let's clear that really fast.

Full confession. Full confession.

Okay. No judgment.

When I go to a foreign country, I always try the McDonald's.

When I went to Morocco, it was like, that was the best place I went, I think twice. And yes, you're right. It was like, it's different here. This is a whole new experience. And it's better there, too.

Best McDonald's ever is three blocks from the Vatican. Really? Okay, between us, where else can you get chicken nuggets and a really good espresso?

Hell, yeah.

Challenge, anyone?

Damn, that's good. That's good.

And then go visit the Pope.

Yeah. And then you get to Sistine Chapel same day after you dip to 20 people, piece out got.

Before you know it, you're doing the crosses. You're kissing up, and you're looking around, you're feeling great. You with God?

Yeah. Literally, you were there in all parts, dude. You know? So finding those stories, that's where I was going to go. So we, Matt and I recently completed part of your alpha hippie training, which we have talked about. This is the man in charge. And I feel like that was. Was that an exercise? And you can totally correct me, but, like, it was this breakthrough portion of your program, and it seemed like that was us searching for the stories, these repeating things that get us stuck in whatever circumstance in life. And that was our process that you guys walked us through to not only identify them, but get really comfortable with them, acknowledge them, be grateful for them, and then finally own them and move on, you know? But at least, you know, now we know what these stories are. So that's why I want to dig in a little bit. So These thoughts that we're all walking around with. Tell me about that. So maybe it's that process I was kind of saying, can you walk us through kind of what that looks like, how to identify them and where to go?

Yeah. First of all, congratulations on moving through that first phase, gentlemen. Thank you. The first phase is the hardest phase really, because what we're doing is, is we're removing the weeds of your garden, which are the stories that are misunderstood because a six year old is still telling the story.

Ain't that the truth?

And we're hearing it from a six year old's point of view, with lacking any understanding, any empathy, any true context to what's going on in Life. Yet as 36 year olds, 46 year olds, it's how we're actually living our lives for most people.

And so the first four weeks is about taking out the weeds.

And then the second eight weeks is about now deciding as adults.

What stories, what, what do we want to plant in the garden. And then the second four weeks is me guiding you to become the person that is the gardener of your life.

And that's the identity alchemism shift. Because the thoughts and the words, then the actions and then the habits, that's what that whole program walks you through is first I need to take out the weeds. Then now that the weeds are gone, who you really want to be, what's the outcome? And then.

Alright, so that's what we're going for. How would that person think, how would that person speak, what would that person do and what would they do repetitively?

And then we design that together, right? Then I send you on your way and hope that you love me and one day you become real rich and leave a bush of the 50s outside my door.

No, but you guys get it. That's the, you know, that's the, that's, that's the real work of this 12 weeks. And it's designed incredibly intentionally to really get that flowing through people.

Yeah.

Well, I'd like to break down a few of the elements too that you would go over with people in some of the weeks, but right in the very beginning, and this is some of the exercises we've already done, but I want to hear it from your words and your perspective. What's a, what's some ways people can identify the words, the thoughts, the stories that they're currently telling themselves that are no longer serving them.

Awareness is the starting line to the divine.

Awareness is the starting line to the divine inside of all of us. First, it's about Becoming a witness to your life and not just living your life. And that may sound relatively simple in theory, and it really is when you break it down. But oftentimes that's usually where people are struggle is are you paying attention on what you're doing or what I'm doing or anyone you know for yourselves to the point where you are not reacting to life, you are responding to it. And because responding requires you to actually think about what you're doing and actually seeing yourself doing it. When we react to life, it's based on programming or an iOS system that we may not have. Majority of people did not put there, did not choose for it to be there. And no wonder their outcomes in life are not what they really designed it to be. And they've read every single book on planet Earth on how to be better, but that's only for their conscious brain. They haven't gotten to the real gatekeeper, which is your subconscious stories which are the ones that are shaped from zero to seven.

You have me thinking more of like the language side of things now because there's a. This is kind of bouncing around, but this is like where it came up, like the whole masculine and feminine energy. But the way that our. Maybe there's stories there, there's a specific language where that pops up and it seems to be tied to some, you know, maybe how we're presenting ourselves and the way that we act in our lives, you know, through business, the way that our motivations are could be rooted in kind of like this previous trau or this story that we have from childhood that we have no clue about. I'd be kind of curious to explore thoughts around that and how it kind of relates to this process we went through as well.

Great Energy Dynamics 101. Just for anyone that's listening. There's two major frequencies in the world. This has nothing to do what you have in your pants. This is not a gender specific thing. There's. And this is why I'm really writing the book as well. Because saying feminine and masculine puts people into a story too far back. And then I'm just like, I gotta explain this to you again, kind of.

Scared to say, use the terms like that.

Right? And so literally the book I'm writing right now, the Alpha hippie code, is all about re creating names for this as well. Like I teach it. And then I go, this is what we're calling it and this is what we're calling it. And this is what I encourage you to call it from now on. Because too much Windows and clothes go up when I go, you know, Matt, you need to have more feminine in you. And you're like, what do I mean? Lipstick? And it just like it goes into a place where, you know, if I told my dad, dad, listen man, you need to really have more access to your feminine energy. He'd go, I'd give you this feminine grab his ball fingers, right? I mean, just, it doesn't feel good. But these, these dynamics are inside of all of us. The more denial of one leaves you dominant in the other. And I'm willing to bet that that is why anyone actually has some sort of suffering. They diagnose it with different things. Yet imbalance or misharmony in anyone is really the, the result or real source of what traumas. So feminine energy is the self and also a nurturing, warm energy that we all must be able to give ourselves an access, your heart per se. Masculine energy is a advancing, more action taking and also to the seat of integrity and, or trusting yourself. So you guys could see when you really break it down, if you can't give yourself grace, which is loving acceptance, which is for me the ultimate feminine, and you can't trust yourself, which I call integrity, which is trust plus, you know, just knowing who you are, right? Like that is it integrity. I do what I say I'm gonna do. I know that if I'm backed up against that corner, I'm the person that I want in that corner. I'm the one that wants the ball. With 10 seconds to go in my life, I don't want to dish it to someone else. I got the shot. Because when you feel that way, when you could accept yourself and you could, that leads to loving yourself, the removal of judging yourself, compassion, forgiveness, and then moves you into gratitude. Then you shift into that masculine side where then what couldn't you do? If you loved yourself, you gave yourself compassion and then you trusted yourself that you can advance. And then there's the divine, which is gratitude, faith that life is happening for you and not to you. That's why I call it the gig triangle. Once you know the gig triangle, what couldn't you do? I love. I fully love and accept myself for my past, who I am. And when I'm imperfect, I could give myself grace.

I know that who I am, I believe in myself, I trust myself. I live with integrity because I know that I'm going to show up for me and the people that count on me. And then I believe in the divine, which is gratitude that life is happening for me. So that I know that things in the short term, even if they don't feel great, they were really meant for me.

What kind of life wouldn't you lead of that bliss?

Because that's the thing too is it's not about happiness, it's about bliss. There are two different things. Happy to me is a like, kind of, oh, I'm happy, you know, and then I could be sad. And I get that. But what we really want is a life of bliss, just serenity.

So is that more of a flow state through like contentment?

Yeah, I'm blissful.

Sure.

You're not too happy, you're not too sad. You're not wearing either. Imposter.

Yeah, I was actually reading a book that just this weekend that was referring to that is just Feeling content. People say they want to be happy, but really what they're looking for is they just want to be content. They not too happy, not too. Just kind of baseline, you know, Contentment.

Yeah. Well, because with any spike and craziness or whatever, there's always a trailing off period. I mean, there's always a finding center, a balance. Ish. It's never going to be there, but that's why we can be content throughout the whole thing.

Yeah.

And that's what we can control. So might as well take hold of it, do something. Navigate the wildness or whatever the world gives us.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like. So when we were up at your place a couple weeks ago and we were driving back and Joe and I were kind of debriefing on the drive home because, you know, it's about an hour and a half drive or whatever. One of the comments that I made to Joe is it's interesting because when I'm in your presence, I feel like there's something about you that's both intimidating but also inviting and welcoming. Like, I didn't have any discomfort about, like I could ask you anything and you would, you know, you would love to tell me a story about that thing, but there's also this. There was also this sort of like.

You'Re someone to be respected and slightly intimidated by, but also very welcoming. And to me, that felt like that feminine, masculine energy just like manifested right there in front of me, like, that is who you are. And I feel like that's something that you kind of methodically created. It sounds like what you're telling me is like this was an identity that you've built over time, was to create this identity of somebody that is respected by others but also very welcomed by others, that people feel Comfortable, but also slightly intimidated by. Is that kind of like the design that you created for yourself?

Guys, what's really interesting, you've done the story work.

My.

Story, if you will, is a divine masculine. Once I learned to love it, and so it really worked out well. And so for you, Matt, the first thing I encourage you to do is live a life that nothing intimidates you. You're intrigued.

So no man intimidates me. I'm intrigued by a lot of fucking. So intriguing. Like, you know how excitement and nervous are really the same feelings. They really are. What's the difference? Your lens.

Right? So why would anyone intimidate you? You are a beautiful, successful man that has a lot to offer. Many cool party tricks. You're open enough to blow some bags. You're. You're a stud. You're courageous. So no man should intimidate you. They might intrigue you. Yeah, but not intimidate.

Interesting. I like that perspective.

Right?

Yeah.

And for me, as a man.

What really separates a man from a boy is I don't care if people like me. I give a. If people respect me, treat me with respect. You could go home and light voodoo dolls and throw darts at pictures of me.

I'll sleep just fine. When you're in my presence. You better respect me because I'm a man, and I know I paid the price to be one.

And that to me, is really important. And then being able to be comfortable inside of my heart allows me to be welcoming and warm with others. And so I'm happy to be a host and connect because I host and connect my heart. And so that's what you're. You're. You're really accurate with Matt is I've learned to harmonize my frequencies enough and also be okay with being in one versus the other and knowing more intentionally now than ever when I need to be in one energy versus the other. See, a lot of people first.

Understanding the energy to doing the work, to heal, therefore, access the energy. And then number three is the skill of knowing which. Where you're at in your life and which one should you be in a little bit more of? Because it's not about being in balance. It's in being in harmony. I'll share this because this is a business, a business show. So in business, there's three stages in an enterprise. They're sharing, there's connecting, and then they're selling. There's making the deal. The first two are feminine. The last one is masculine. So when I share my message, I share it with people. Beauty and art and love, which is marketing.

Then I advertise and connect to those that like the sound of my message. So if you like what I'm sharing, I'm going to advertise with you and. Or connect deeper with you because you already raised your hand that this interests you. You perked up. But then when it gets down to the X's and O's of business, my feelings will be muted because it has nothing to do with feelings at that point, because now I'm a hunter, making sure that my business and my family eats. And if there's an antelope, a crowd of antelopes, and one of them has a broken leg, I guess it's an easy hunt today, boys. And I don't feel bad about taking that broken leg one and giving myself an easy day.

And that's business.

Well, so many people struggle with sales, for instance, like that. And it's because they might be in the same mindset of that first day. They, you know, found someone, connected with someone, conversations, and then. Yeah, and then the point comes where they might get a no from or not right now, or let me, you know, and, oh, God, they didn't like it. I'm not good at this. Ah, man. Maybe I'm pricing this way too high. I'm not. Yeah. And then, no, it's. That's the wrong approach. And we've had people, sales folks on this show, talk about the hunt, you know, the hunter, and I'm a meat eater. I know. You know, it's like you got. It's almost like you're. You're. You've trained your mind to then flip into this mindset because that's not always how these folks. It's like a UFC fighter. It's like, you know, some of the nicest people in the world. We both know some. And, you know, they get in the ring, fucking animal. They're a beast. They'll tear your face off.

We were literally watching UFC fighters de. Escalate situations up at your place a couple weeks ago.

Right, Right. Yeah.

It's no big deal. But you see, that's. And what most people do try to do in business is they try to do all three at once, and that's really why they struggle, or they're unaware of what frequency they should be bringing at that moment.

So how do you, like, are there some obvious ones and let's say business or, you know, common things that you come across where maybe we should be able to identify these a little clearer than they are?

Yeah, real simple.

First two things. Anyone that doesn't know what I mean? Watch that scene in Tommy Boy when he's talking about pretty little pet. That is literally what he means.

Remember.

He'S a little like, yeah, my pretty little pet.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Freaks out the first two. When you are in your feminine.

There is no desired outcome.

The feminine is a feeling.

When you get to the masculine, you either made the sale or you didn't. You either brought the food home or you didn't.

It's more binary then, right? Masculine. Okay.

So when you get to the deal, it's very binary. So when you go share your message, when you're looking at your marketing, it's, how does my marketing feel?

And then if you want to look at the results to make sure your feelings are aligned, I'm with you. Yet it should be, how does my marketing make my client feel?

Mm.

Once I've. If that's working well, how am I connecting with them? Are they listening more? Am I. Are they moving into sales calls? Great. It's all feeling at first, but then when you get down to the business, hey, do you got the dinner or not? The kids are hungry. You can't. You can't cut checks for your mortgage with feelings. And that's why that part needs to go away for a little bit, and that needs to go there. And this is really, believe it or not, more beneficial for the female entrepreneur, I realized, is because there's such great nurturers. Most of the time when they're feminine dominant, which is predominantly women, but some men may wear it too. But then when it comes out, time to pull their pistols and go to work.

They'Re shooting water guns, and someone else is just like, what, are you kidding me? Good luck killing this thing. Right? And that's because they're not able to detach from the feeling, because more, the hunter needs to have the right tools. They need to be prepared. They need to understand that the. The aim, the goal, the bottom line. Like, they need to be ready to walk away from the deal. Right? That moment of negotiation, can you not have feelings and wait and simmer in that depth with that person? We all know when we're on that sales call, whoever speaks first, Lo.

And then whoever speaks usually has a feeling. Yeah, because they're chaotic. They're just reacting to it. But then the masculine should be able to simmer. And so that's really what I've learned, is the stages are misunderstood, and that's why people aren't successful. And. Or that's why people that Are really passionate about their job, need to also. Or like coaches or any guides like that. They also need to access and have a good healthy. The relationship with their masculine. Because basically what you're saying is, I know that I could go be an animal, but the animals not gonna. I'm gonna hold the leash on the animal. The animals are not gonna hold the leash on me, but you have to go be an animal just like the fighter example.

And that's why you're the alpha. Right? You're the alpha in any situation. It just might be that more feminine dominant or masculine.

Yeah, you're. To me, the alpha is someone that leads the dance.

That's all. You're keeping your ear on the beat the whole time for the room. Because what I look to do is, is stabilize the frequencies that are around me. And to me, the ultimate form of the alpha or masculine is to be a stabilizer or a safety net for everyone that they're around or they could touch.

Right. I was telling some guys in my men's group, it should feel like when you get on this call, you're walking around with the biggest boobs in the street and you've had a bra on all day, and you could just take your bra off in here.

Okay.

How big your boobs are.

Right.

And it should feel that way.

Like, you should feel like, oh, yeah, let loose.

Yeah, just that sigh.

Yeah.

You know, and.

That'S what I first embody, and then I coach other men to embody.

No, I like. I mean, so you obviously train men, you know, and you basically, you take men pro, you turn them pro or help them turn themselves pro, I guess. But yeah, yeah, there's so much for women to take from this. And I think, like you said, this is probably one of the biggest is understanding where the energy shows up and. And what to do to flip it. So what is generally if someone were to identify like, yeah, I'm struggling with sales, or I'm a woman, I'm struggling to do some of these more masculine energy tasks. What are some approaches that people can take if they're aware of these things? Of course. But are there a couple things we can test out here?

Yeah. I'm going to give you guys my real secret, my favorite thing. And I said it a little bit earlier, I alluded to it. Perfect way to get to the callback. Joe. I listen to music. So these are energy frequencies. What's another frequency that we all consume is music. It's the ultimate frequency changer. So I have music that I listen to. To begin embodying the frequency before I do anything.

So I get into the part. So when I come home every day and I'm about to go see my family, and no longer should I be that killer, I listen to womanly songs. I have multiple songs that remind me of Rocio. And then I have one song that is my mother. So the song with my mother is the first time I saw your face by Roberta Fleck. And I imagine that it's when I came out of the womb. It says, the first time I saw your face, I felt the sun. I thought the sun rose in your eyes, and the moon and the stars were the kisses that you gave. And it connects me to my heart, because that's who I believe the perfect mother is. When you come out of the womb and you. And I watched this with my own son. When that boy put his head on his mother, he knew that he was safe at home and there was no reason to be worried anymore. And so I use that.

When I'm coming down the street, walking down to. To do a podcast. I got my Biggie Smalls Versace glasses, and I got some Kanye west and Jay Z. Watch the throne.

Yeah.

And I'm strutting down the street. Imagine that. I got the biggest fonts in the world. Or I get on these shows or podcasts myself or bigs of steals, because I want to walk in the room like I'm the predator. You're in the room with me. I'm not in the room with you, Jack. And so that's how I do is. Is I use music so intentionally to trigger me into what energetic state I'm supposed to be in.

Got it. Yeah. So it can be like a transitionary period, like going back home before you show up with the family and the kids to work. Yeah. You want to get ramped up. You maybe have a speech coming up or sales call. You're like, let's get some freaking. Whatever. That masculine energy, that ramp up, that's gonna do it for you.

The implications that are interesting to me as well are that, like, the reverse is also true. So many people are out there put. Pumping stuff into their head that's changing their energy, and they're subconsciously doing that. Right. So, like, you could get in your car and put on the radio, and now you're giving the control to somebody else, essentially.

Right. You know, this whole, like, social dilemma thing.

Why not use it to your advantage?

That's right.

They.

I was doing this when I first started studying NLP and triggers. Right. Like Neuro linguistic program. But now, guys, everyone knows the party trend, right? I mean, just so if they're hijacking your wires, why shouldn't you do it for you. For the benefit of you, for sure. And now that we know from just listening to the show that there's two energetic frequencies. Another way for energetic frequency that we all know is music, which is an input. Right. It could even be just sometimes I listen to just a. If I just want to feel happy and let loose, I put on a fun house house music set. And then all of. All of a sudden, I'm not in a funk anymore.

Yeah.

If I want to bring myself down for a work session, I usually put on some melodic techno kind of Sasha Ben Bomer track to settle me into the what I'm about to read. I take a little Tootski drinking espresso. Before you know it, I'm reading things in flow. Yeah.

Yeah. I might have experienced that last night myself in that same format. It works fabulously.

Right? And so for me.

Be an energetic DJ of your life because then you won't need to worry so much about what you're gonna say.

I love the energetic dj. I think that's. That's like. Everyone can take that and run with it however it relates to their lives.

Right. We've never had it so easy to actually do this. We have this available, go on wherever you consume music and pick what frequency at 1 is called California Soul. That's mine. That for. For the heart. And then I have alpha hippie life when I'm just ready to go get them.

Do you share these, man? Do you ever share any of your playlists?

It's funny. Here's the deal. I wish once sharing them, but then people I wouldn't know would add on.

Them and I'm just like, I can't lock down.

Yeah, this is my intimacy. Don't just start adding your own because you think you can listen to it. But on SoundCloud, I actually have. If you follow, if you go on my SoundCloud, I have.

The good. That's a bunch of good house music that I like that is both happy and also sort of that work frequency. And then I also under my name, Angelos, is quite something called Restore. And it's the music I listen to when I'm trying to. When I go take a sauna or when I'm trying to go for a walk of deep contemplation. It's a low trouble frequency to get me into that theta state where I am more able to Be in a sort of that subconscious dream world and really think deeper and more expansive about my life and things. And so, yeah, dude, I really love it. Like, I just encourage everyone. Find a song that reminds you of your father. Find a song that reminds you of taking care of business. Funny, funny thing about this. And I bring this up to my wife. Not many people know this. I've always wanted to be the person in movies that pick the songs. Oh yeah, like for scenes. Like, there's just certain scenes in movies that I remember. Just. Have you guys ever heard of A Bronx tale? It's a 90s movie with Chaz Palminteri, Robert De Niro, Dark. It's amazing. But there's a big fight scene and what's playing in the background is coming together. But like. But you feel.

Oh yeah, the build.

One and one is three. And then all of a sudden the fight breaks out and you're just. You could feel that energy build into that, right? Or God damn thing, guys, if gonna fly now. Does it make you want to run up the street, throw some shadow boxing punches? Nothing will. Like, we're affected by this. We really. It's inside of us because like I said, it gets past the gatekeeper. Because their frequencies, it's deeper than just that human in us. And that's why I love the music stuff. Because when you could use it intentionally, you don't have to think so much because thinking is exhausting.

Thinking gets you in trouble. It just ruins it. You know, in the experience, it feels like too, you're out of flow then, right?

So here's why we go back to identity alchemism. So you don't become a human doing, because doing is exhausting. You become a human being, you be the thing. And then you don't have to think so much.

You could trust yourself. Because overthinking is a strategy that we've created because we don't trust ourselves and our instincts. And that's because we don't know what frequency we're really supposed to be in. 1. We don't understand the frequencies. We're not aware of them. We don't know which one we're supposed to be in. We don't know how to get ourselves into it.

Rinse and repeat. And so every day, though, the goal is to be in harmony with them. So when I wake up in the morning.

I go to access my masculine. I take care of business. And then when my work day is done, I go be Angelo, the guy that comes home, cries on his front porch and makes his Family dinner.

Right? I become the. I tell people I become the fat Buddha. The one.

The good one.

Right? Like that's who you guys see. When I'm connecting and sharing and loving, I'm the fat Buddha abundance. But then when it comes time for business, the fat Buddha turns into me, this other version of me. That's like you said, Matt, some may find intimidating. That has nothing to do with me. That has to do with someone else's lens of me. All I'm looking for is respect and the big piece of chicken.

Papa's hungry.

Yeah, like I said, if you are not the predator, once you get to that masculine part, you're the prey. And then nature just plays itself out, boys.

That's it. We're just playing in nature. That's all. This is some glorified, crazy nature that we've constructed of ourselves.

Yeah, we don't want admit that we're animals, dude. You know we're animals.

Yeah, we sure are.

The sooner we integrate with that and the sooner that you. We. We could accept that and begin using our humanness, our prefrontal cortex, to develop a relationship with the animal instead of trying to deny. That is the moment that you actually reach enlightenment and the betterment of a person. Person. But it's in denying of the animal or muting of the animal that usually leads us down a path of poor identification, which you guys can now imagine why everyone wants their own noun or whatever you call it. It's because you just. You're misaligning your frequencies. That's a whole nother day. Me and Jordan Peterson will talk about that one day. But you guys see what I'm saying? That's what's there. Is that this gap.

I read some. I think it's in the Psychology of Money. It was mentioned. This book that we're going through right now. Highly recommended, by the way. All credit to me. No, I'm just kidding, Matt. It's a great book, but there was a line in there, and it's a pretty common. It's been said by other folks, but basically being the average man or person is more noble than the one that's trying to do everything or is just going with the motions of society or life. The social media gu. Got to be there, Got to be here. But more of the average person. The way I'm thinking about it in context of what you're saying and who you are, I think that was the thing that's intrigued me and still does of you, Angelo, is. And I don't know if you remember? I'm like, you're so methodical with your movements and speech.

It just seems like you mentioned earlier you don't have a TV in your house. But for certain occasions, you'll blow up the projector and go big with it. With when Conor McGregor, your boy is on. But it's almost like you've achieved this averageness. And I say that in the best possible way ever. Where you're not affected by the global news. I know you just listen or read local news. If even.

Every week I read the SC Times. It's the only newspaper I read. It's my local San Clemente Times.

But like, I think that's the thing that's always intrigued me to you is every story you tell, every movement, breathing, exercise you do. Like I told you about this aching neck that I've had for literally over 10 years, ever since I've known Matt. Basically, I'm like, I created it. I'm sure probably some energy. Finally you're clearing that out. Thank you, angel. But you're just like, oh yeah, just do some of this. Put your neck over your ass, basically. And stop leaning forward because you're probably doing that in your desk. Which I was. And then it was like two days later I texted you. I was like, holy crap, dude. There's just certain things I never knew about my body and just positioning and breathing and slowing down and understanding language and energies and it's kind of this pull to average or harmony, you know?

Yeah.

That it's so a lot of folks just are probably ignorant or not ignorant too, but not aware of because of the noise of everything right now.

Ignorance is misunderstood. Ignorance isn't a bad thing. Ignorance just means you don't know what it is. I'm ignorant of things right now. Everyone is Ignorance. Ignorance is just the absence of awareness.

Outside of the SC news, South Carolinas. Yeah. You don't know what's happening in the county over.

No clue. So here's the deal is awareness.

Leads to.

Choice and intention. So I do things and make choices based off certain attentions that I have for myself. I just. Because I could slow down enough to be aware that I could have intention by what I'm doing. That's the difference between reaction and responding. So it may seem like I have so many things figured out. No, I just been living a life of more awareness and intention before some other people. I'm just grateful that I've had this time to a gift to reflect. That's all I've done. Now my choices are based off my own awareness. And also too, I keep resorting back to this. I trust myself, which means I have a great relationship with my instincts. I don't let my brain second guess me. I let my brain make the plans.

My instincts are the first thing and I have. Even if I make bad choice, I do my best to not go against my instincts for too long.

Because it's important to develop a good relationship with our instincts. Just like our instincts is another word for our animals.

Because they were here.

Before our prefrontal cortex.

We survived a long time without being so reasoning and so intellectual and all of this stuff.

Let's all stop pretending like that and or letting our party trick, which is our reasoning as humans, that's what separates from our animals, right? We have this prefrontal cortex that could imagine things, Create the ego, create the boogeyman, and create the hero.

Yet oftentimes we, to me, we use it in the wrong order.

See, people go, they might feel something, but then they let their brain talk out, no, I feel something, my heart inspires, my brain conspires. And my, you know, what makes the fire puts me in action.

Yet oftentimes we might be inspired, but then our brain doesn't work in our favor. It works against us or our minds work against us. And that's no different than you having an imaginary best friend or you have believing in the boogeyman. They're a choice. They're the same people, they come the same way. So either you could be scared or you could have your best buddy with you at all times.

Damn, that's good. The, the pinch point. The, the, the, the point of resistance is the mind, man. It's like you clear that up and then what's gonna happen? Pretty cool shit, I think, huh?

Yeah. It's called an iPhone. It's called a car. Think of all these amazing cool things. Things.

Yeah. Every breakthrough out there.

Yeah, right. Could you just imagine if Steve Jobs imagine the iPhone and then gave himself all the reasons why it would be stupid?

No, he's like, yeah, this could be super cool.

Where this could go. Let's just give it a try.

And that's because he had a really good relationship with his instincts.

Yeah, yeah.

See, Elon Musk, Musk didn't know.

About how to build rocket ships. He hired engineers to build rocket ships. But he had a feeling about rocket ships and living on Mars. Same thing about electric cars. And now about neuralink. So if anyone out there wants to be a visionary.

Do not allow the mind to put you in decline.

That's it. Give yourself a chance. Feel something and go, well, how can I do it, right? Or I tease people when they come to San Clemente. I tell them to move here. And yeah, I go. You say, why San Clemente? I say, why not?

That's right.

That's the thing. Why can't it be.

Yeah. Intrigue, right?

White. You know, and that's what's really important is getting past these, like, little pebbles in our shoes from the music we choose, from how we're viewing the world, how we say it, right? Our thoughts, our words, our actions, continued actions. And then our outcomes would just be different.

We went a lot of places.

I know. That's what I'm saying.

We really did. We took a lot of apps.

This is great, man.

You know, guys, it's just application wise, get in tune with the. The frequencies and then choosing the music is alone in itself. Will change your lives.

Huge. Yeah, bro, That's. That's a cool. That's a cool. Very easy thing. We could just flip on, look for Angel's playlist. I'm sure we have them linked up in the show notes. I'm sure sue found them on there already.

For real, Benny. You know, just. Just pick the song that reminds you of your mother. Picture song that reminds you of your best lover. That'll take you to your feelings. Pick the song that reminds you of no feelings. Like you're the only like for a lot of men. If Frank Sinatra My way. Does it make you feel like you could take on the world and that you're ready to do it on your own terms? Do me a favor. Don't ever message me. Sorry about Frank Saundre, but you'd like something like, along those lines, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah, that is because that's what you want to feel like when you go into a business situation.

Yeah, man. Well, here's another good actionable resource for folks because I've obsessed over it before. Going into the program at Alpha Hippie with you is your podcast. Tell me about it. Because you have interviews, but you also. And I've been on there. That was like. It felt like the closest thing to Joe Rogan. It was nearly three hours. It was epic. That was like almost a year ago now. Crazy. But your podcast has these, like, action, you know, just five, eight minute long things that you can, like, nerd over. But tell me about the podcast, how people can get it your book, and then we'll. We'll wrap her up. We'll.

We'll tie a bow on this beautiful all right, gentlemen. So right now, I do three different types of shows. Joe, you and I did a story kind of just we're flowing, getting to know each other. Front stooping show, right?

Yeah.

The second show that I do is I take subject matter experts that are really specific and geared towards something that is more men specific or relationship diet, where it's more about giving information. The first is story, the second is information. And then the third one is me guiding your teaching on a certain topic. Something that I feel really passionate about or through my work with men, just something that I'm. I'm talking about, you know, and an experiencing. For instance.

The show came out, you know, about why you keep fighting with your wife and getting them to understand that your wife cares about what you say, think and say, and you care about what your wife does. So get on the same page with them because more than likely it's. Your wife says, what'd you say? And then you're like, well, what'd you do? And then that's the description. That's the. That's the issue. Right? Like when I go out with my family, my wife is. We get in the car, my wife gets pissed about what someone said, I get pissed about what someone did.

It's true, God damn it. Your mother was kind of tugger. And you know what your dad said? I'm like, yeah. And I'm trying to forgive my dad because I don't think it's a big deal. And meanwhile, I'm ready to kill half her family for something they did. Different lenses. And I try to get people to see and experience these things because I'm. Like I said, I have a nice level of. I have a gifted level of awareness. And I'm trying to share. I'm take out the try. I share my awareness in real time with other men, hoping that my experiences, my suffering, my victories are able to aid in them in their journeys.

Yeah, man. Now you definitely have that whole collective approach, man. You bring everyone along with you. You're gracious along the way, too. You share bags, you have a great time.

Just leave that reference there.

Nobody has any idea what we're doing, talking about.

That's all right.

Sorry, inside joke. Hustle and flow.

The hustle, hustle hippies, Hustle and hippies. We're more like the flowing hippies these days, though, man. We. We lean more that way. So I get you, brother. This has been great. Where can people. Well, you have the book coming out later in the year, right? So the Alpha hippie code.

I'm going to sell this thing on Black Friday. It's going to be open up for sale on Black Friday. I'm writing it right now. It's going to go in editing, and I'm gonna put myself out there in a beautiful, vulnerable way. The LVP code is going to be all about these frequencies and. And really how to embody them, step into them. And also, too, it's a selfish memoir to my son so he could learn about how I learned them, because I have a deep fascination and wanting to know who my father was before he was my father. And I trust that every boy deep down really wants to know a little bit about that. So Alpha Hippie Code will be available around that time. And I'm writing it right now as we speak, and it's absolutely amazing. I laugh and cry every time we put a chapter together. It's an epic journey, and I'm going to continue to do the work and surrender to the divine and. And know that as long as I'm wearing the right mask, that everything's going to be beautiful.

Right on, brother. You're doing great things. It's just starting out with the hippie brand or the alpha hippie brand, too, man. So you're growing like crazy. It's fun to watch, man be involved. So it's been good. Well, I'm sure we'll do it again, my man. Thank you.

No, thank you guys for having me. It's so. I. You two are just studs. And anyone that listens to this show, thank you so much for listening and all the shows, and I. I trust that they. They see you guys as I see you as well. You guys are absolutely amazing. And the. The quality of content and also to the.

The tools and resources that. That evergreen profits and hustle and flow, you know, that you guys bring out are really amazing. And, you know, I don't say that because I only look at them. I say them because we use them. And we. We trust in. In you guys and love you guys and are devoted to you guys.

So appreciate your brother. Love you, too. Thank you, King. All right, Ang. Peace.

I just love Kings.

Oh, yeah. Take a breath.

That was a lot of good stuff.

It was.

And I feel like we were, like, tip of the iceberg of the type of stuff Angelo talks about and what. Tip of the iceberg of just the conversations we've had with Angelo over the past couple months.

That's why. Yeah, it was. You know, it's easy to spend a day like we did a couple weeks ago. It was Pretty simple, too. It was very simple to have an interview when I was with him for nearly three hours. Yeah. Like, Jesus, where did the time go? But, yeah, that's what happens when you get someone that's good at front stoop yapping.

Yeah.

You know, being a storyteller and how powerful is it when you can kind of understand how to tell not only the structure of stories, but there's like a layer deeper of the. The why behind the stories, the frequency, all that stuff. Yeah.

Well, when he was talking about storytelling, like, I think he put it in a context that I've never looked at storytelling from before. Right. So, like, you know, in my mind, being a good storyteller, it was being a good entertainer. Like, people would want to be around you more if you were good at telling stories, because you're more entertaining and more enjoyable to be around. If you're a good storyteller, you'd probably be better at podcasting, blogging, content creation in general, things like that. If you're a good storyteller. The perspective that he approaches storytelling from now is that. That everybody has these existing stories inside of them. And if he can replace your existing story with a new story, then you guys are both on equal footing when you have conversations around the things that he just told the story about. So, for example, I've always had this story around. Like, this was sort of referenced in the show. I've always had this story around, like, tobacco and things like that. Like, you know, smoking is nasty. I hate the smell of cigarettes. I had a teeny, tiny phase in high school where I smoked cigarettes for a little bit because I thought it made me look cool. I guess I didn't get addicted. Didn't last very long.

But you take pictures and you're like.

I don't think there's any pictures floating around of me smoking cigarettes. I probably bought one pack ever. And by the time I was done with the pack, I was like, screw this. Like, it doesn't make me feel good. But I've always had these stories around tobacco. Right. But we went over to his house and we were there, and. And he started telling stories about tobacco. He was like. He was telling these stories around how, you know, in. In, like, the psychedelic world, you've got ayahuasca, which is the mother, and tobacco is considered the father because of its ability to sort of change your state and the masculine and feminine energies. And there's a whole, you know, rabbit hole around that that he was telling stories around, and then he was also talking about tobacco. As tobacco used to be the thing that like. Like in, like, tribal civilizations, they would all kind of pass the pipe around or they would all pass the, you know, the. So many traditions, the rolled tobacco or cigar around. And like, that was sort of the community time was people, like, sort of passing the tobacco around and telling stories around tobacco. And then he was also telling us, you know, from a. I don't know if it's the right word. Physiological, like, what it does to your body.

Yeah, yeah.

He was telling us that like. Like little bits of tobacco and little hints of nicotine help you bring you more present and get you a little more focused. And people use, like, nicotine gums and things like that as like a focus nootropic and stuff. Right. So we got to his house, and I had no intention on, like, smoking tobacco with him that day. But after he's. He. He framed. Yeah, we actually vaped it.

But.

But, you know, after he. He sort of framed all of these stories about, like, tobacco is the. The sort of cultural storytelling thing, and tobacco does this for your body. And, you know, tobacco being the sort of mother plant and all of these different stories he told around. Or father plant. Yeah, after he told all of these different stories, he sort of replaced the internal stories I had around tobacco with these new stories. And then when he offered some up, when he had his, you know, his volcano vaporizer thing, when he offered some up, I was a lot less hesitant to turn it down because now I have all these. These new stories about it.

Right? Yeah.

And that's not to say that, like, I necessarily think tobacco is, like, a good, healthy thing now. I'm just saying it's been completely reframed.

To me, there's a deeper meaning to it.

There's a different perception around it now. And so he basically, his new stories overwrote my existing stories, so I was less resistant to that sort of change when it. When the opportunity came.

So now that's why you're a chain smoker.

That's why I smoke two packs a day.

Damn it, Angelo. He shifted the story. No, I'm just kidding. You are not doing that.

I'm not doing that.

That is not what Ian is doing.

No, I see things like tobacco as a tool. Like, now. Now I know that's a tool in my toolbox of. Okay, if I really, really want to get focused in, maybe we'll vaporize a little bit of tobacco. Like, we don't even smoke it. We don't even combust it. We, like, vaporize the tobacco.

Right? So it's a tool. It's a tool. So, I mean, that's where you actually had me remember from when I did ayahuasca. And I didn't know it at the time, but the. They might have said it, but I forgot. But tobacco. I think it was the shaman there, he had cigarettes, but, you know, they were like these ceremonially rolled. You know, it's not like, oh, he just whipped out a pack of marble reds. Yeah. But that was part of the ceremony. Not from us smoking that. We were doing the ayahuasca, but I think it was just like it was kind of puffed in the air. This, like tobacco. It was like a. You know, almost like in the air. I think that's pretty common, actually, in those ceremonies. If it's like a feminine, dominant thing, it's gotta be an energy thing. And I guess I didn't really understand that. But that is what Angelo is talking about with these stories. I mean, it gets back to what we talked about here in this podcast.

Yeah.

It's all. Everything's a frequency. It's an energy. Most of it we can't see.

I'm relating to other things. Like, we just watched a video. We're actually not supposed to say much about it, but with our buddy Amish Shah.

Oh, yeah.

But a lot of what he was saying in that funny video, which one day, when it's public. Public, we'll share it around. It's just not ready for prime time yet. But he was talking about how there's all these things that we can't hear, we can't see, the spectrum of light. You know, there's all these auditory frequencies and sounds we just can't hear, obviously, like dog whistle. You know, dogs are hearing totally different. So just imagine anything that we're missing out on in life. And Angelo talked about how he just has a deeper level of awareness, and that's how he's focused on and allowed himself to really create space to do that. And he. He legit trained himself into that space.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's so obvious. He walks on a different plane. Like, there's a different level wave of thinking. Obviously frequency waves. Then. Then I would say anyone else walking on the street or most people, you know, it's just kind of obvious.

Yeah.

And it's really intriguing. Yeah. Which. That was a great reframe, too. The whole intrigue versus intimidation.

Yeah, no, that was. That was a good reframing.

Yes. The most interesting man in the world.

Yeah.

So, like, you know, being a storyteller has additional benefits beyond the more obvious benefit of just having the attention on you.

Right.

Another thing that he talked about, and I actually wrote this quote down because I loved it. Be an energetic DJ of your life.

He said that multiple times. I saw you write it down. So I was happy because I was like, hell, I always like that line.

Yeah, be an energetic DJ of your life. And like, the idea being that, like, when you get into your car, a lot of times the radio might be on and you just. Whatever sort of energy frequencies the raiders putting out, that's what you're getting. You kind of. You're giving up the control of your energy to another thing.

They're programming you. Yeah.

So, like, if you. If you're trying to, like, go into a sales meeting or something and you need to kind of be like, empowered and have that masculine energy and ready, but you're listening to, like, fricking Enya in the drive over. Right. It's like, you know, there's a little bit of a mismatch of energy there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My heart will go on from the Titanic. My heart will go. I don't remember. I don't know.

For some reason that's.

Is it Celine Dion?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Celine Dion.

You pump that right before you're about to get in the. Like to pitch for your new startup. Yeah.

Do you think that's what Conor McGregor's listening to as he's walking into the.

Room.

Like, oh, Rose going down with the shark. I forget now. It's been a while since I watched.

But, you know, if you're going to go, like, hang out with your grandma or something, you might want to listen to something a little bit calmer, get yourself into that more, you know, feminine energy. And again, like. Like he said, the male energy or the feminine versus masculine energy, there's. People have stories around that.

Those are like, just labels. So pick and choose how you want to. Yeah.

So a lot of people hear this and probably get triggered by it because they're like, oh. When I say feminine energy, he's saying like, oh, that's. That's a girly thing to do, though. It's not. There's no sex attached to makeup.

Matt, I'm going to get your handbag over here.

Masculine doesn't have to be male and feminine doesn't have to be female. It's just like an energy, you know, like. And so, like, saying something is feminine doesn't mean you're saying it's girly. And saying something is masculine doesn't mean you're saying it's manly.

Right.

And I think.

And I think get caught up on that.

I do think a lot of people.

Get caught up in the past as well. Yeah. And I think understanding it in this format, and I like the fact that here's Angelo, that this, this, you know, kind of like man's man, kind of, you know, looking dude, because he is. He is. And explain it in his terms, I think helps maybe demystify it a little bit.

Yeah.

You know. Yeah, man. This is cool. This was fun. Yeah. And we'll definitely have him on again because we are. I mean, check out Alpha Hippie. Their programs or podcast is legit. I would say start there and it's just listen to Angelo behind the mic. There's just. He has a different perception of how a lot of us will approach things. And I think those reframes, those little, like little reframes here and there will just help you out, just see things a little differently. But go reach out to him if you. If you like what you heard. They are pretty damn awesome, obviously. So what else, Matt, we have. We took action guide notes, of course, for this episode. I think they will be fabulous. And you can get them for free right now, but only right now. If it's within two weeks of this going live.

And maybe again later, we'll see.

Maybe later. We're toying with that idea. But right now it's just, it's two weeks. It's still a lot of time. So go to flowchartgroup.com make sure to plug in your email address. You're also getting access to our Facebook community@flowchart group.com and easy webinar is also our fabulous sponsor. They've been supporting us for. Feels like 10 years. Yeah, I love him.

I mean, technically, he probably has been supporting us since even before the podcast, but.

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Fernando.

I like it. Yes, Manny sure will. Huh? Huh?

Jerrikson.

Oh, yeah. I wonder. Okay, okay. Ha.

Son. Kim. I'm just naming padres.

Yes, you are.

I don't know why. I was blanking out all the names of the players. I watch almost every game.

Eric, I'm talking to you, Eric. Okay, Trent.

A lot of men, huh? Yeah, a lot of men, Matt. All right, name all the women now.

Fernanda.

Oh, Jesus, this is horrible. Mana mania.

I'm no good.

All right, we're losing too much masculine energy there.

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You know what's interesting, though, is I.

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I do like to build tech stuff, but when I find a shortcut that does it faster, I go with that.

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You would have to probably string up what I mean, tell me some specifics, man. You know, people are using, like, I.

Know how to program a webinar without.

Something like, you can sure as hell hack a webinar. Things like, oh, put a. Put a YouTube unlisted video for a page that's gonna go live at this certain time, but maybe used YouTube. I don't know, like, try to hack this. You know, you do this.

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That's the point I'm making here. Jesus. You're the tech guy and I'm the one that has to come up with this stuff.

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Yeah.

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All right, lastly, we're gonna read a review, and then we gotta get out of here because we have to record another podcast. Matt.

Yes.

Tell us all how to leave a review.

If you go over to itunes and click into the podcast, I'm pretty sure there's a button that says write a review.

No one knew how to do that, Matt.

Well, they do now. Congratulations.

Well, I hate this review already, but I'm sure Matt so imperfect parent, which lord knows we are. That was the name of the person that. Oh, you perfect. Yeah, because you didn't agree. So. All right, so Matt's the All right, so imperfect parent via Apple podcasts in Canada, wrote this two days ago. Matt's beard is epic. 5 stars.

So is he rating my beard or the podcast?

That was the only mention.

Is my beard 5 stars or is the podcast 5 stars?

Just listening to Matt and Joe as leveled up. I have level.

Oh, you didn't try to reverse the names this time?

No, I know I didn't. But just listening to Joe and Matt, I have leveled up my game in just about every area, from building successful affiliate campaigns to launching a number one podcast.

Holy.

And also maybe the most important is learning more about how to make life and work fun.

Dude, we're doing what we set out to do.

Dude. No, I'm. Yeah. Other than imperfect parents. First comment about your beard being epic. I mean, it's thicker. Yeah. It's got some weird growth under it that we don't speak of.

Yeah.

But, you know, it's. I love that comment.

The doctor says it might be infected.

Don't have to get that infected beard.

This is the direction we're taking the show. This is the reason why we're doing this. So it's really cool to see a review like this. And thank you very much for leaving that five star review because we accept nothing less. So please, please give us more of those, because our egos need it, for the love of God.

And we'll read them because we like reading them. Especially if you comment on my beard.

Don't. Well, I'm going to start ignoring those.

Yeah, just comment on the beard.

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