Gary Henderson - The Many Uses of NFTs for Creators

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Well, he's the one who broke NFTs for us, right?

Like he snapped them, literally broke them in half.

What does that mean?

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Hey, thank you guys. Thanks for having me.

Ye think you realize it. I made a tweet about this a month or two ago and I'm not sure if you saw it or not, but you are the catalyst for NFTs for us. So Joe and I, we've been in the sort of cryptocurrency space since, I mean, we've been paying attention since 2013, investing heavily since 2017, but NFTs were kind of a blind spot for us. We didn't know much about them. We had you on for round one where we mostly talked about Clubhouse and you brought up Rally Coin and then you started talking about NFTs and that sent us down the rabbit hole. I bought my first NFT like a week after that. We got hooked. We were just in the NFT rabbit hole after that. And then anybody who's listening to our show now knows we've sort of pivoted and gone all in on talking web three topics now. And that was so cool.

Thank you.

That's so cool.

And it started with, yeah, it was Gary Coin. You know, we're looking at Gary Coin and we're like, what's this all about? And I think I remember you were like the first 50 to get a coin. I believe it was right on Rally. Coin on Rally.

Yeah. I think it was like first 75 in the world to get a coin. And I didn't know what I was doing. I just, I knew there had to be something different to do. I didn't want to do what everyone else was doing. But it's so cool to me to hear the people today that their first NFT is a giraffe, for example, or their first time of learning about NFTs was through me, or their first crypto in their wallet was a Gary Coin. Like, that's just mind boggling to me. It's just so cool to keep hearing those stories, dude.

And it's popping like, so walk us through. Because Gary Coin, that happened right around the clubhouse. Like when you were starting on Clubhouse. Right. Was it right around the same era, like late 2020? Right.

Well, it. So I started in Clubhouse at the end of December. I got moving, started selling, coaching, doing the normal stuff, you know, run a room, have a conversation, sell a coaching pac. And money was flowing like crazy, like six figures in January.

Wow.

So it was, it was gold. But I didn't want to flip back into all the normal, like, what I'd done for all my clients. It just, it just didn't, it didn't feel great to me. What I always struggled with was there's so many people in the world that need to know about Lewis Howes or need to know about Gabby Bernstein or. And then as you start selling coaching and start transacting, it just becomes hard to keep focusing on growing the brand and growing the brand and growing the brand. So I learned of Rally in early February and saw this, this opportunity. Peter Shankman. I don't know if you guys know Peter. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I reached out to Peter. Peter's a friend of mine and I said, so I see Rally and I see you have a coin. Is it legit? And I trust Peter, you know, like, I mean, hero's legit. And Peter and I know each other in real life. And Pet said, you know, Gary, I don't understand it, but it's, it's legit tech, it's legit backing, it's a legit company. I just don't understand all the workings of what you do with it. So I said, well, cool. I trust Peter. So I jumped in and shot my shot and launched my coin and it's been a hell of a wild ride. We launched it about 30 cents a coin, and right now we're over $12 a coin.

Wow.

Like, it's insane.

So can you explain a little bit how the Gary Coin work? Like, how does it go up in value? How do people get the coin? Is there any sort of burn to coin? Does it. What's the word? Is it deflationary? You know, how does the coin work?

Mechanisms.

Yeah. So Rally is a creator coin platform. So let's take the ecosystem. We have ETH setting right here and we have side chain tokens. You've got Doge, you've got sheep. Well, you have Rally. Rally is a side chain token. So when you're looking at Rally, it's a token, it's an E token. You can buy Rally on Coinbase. So it's tradable, it's in all the exchanges. So Rally's utility as a token, that's one of the challenges that she or Doge or all these meme tokens have is like, what's our utility going to be? Why are people going to own the coin? What are they going to do with it? Rally's first utility was a creator coin platform, Rally IO. So their utility is very similar to, I mean, honestly, very similar to any business. It's, let's, let's do an endorsement deal with Gary Henderson, let's give him a coin, let's give him a Genesis grant of his own coins, and then let's see what happens. And now I like Gary. Coin right now is worth about 23 rally. So rally's worth 50 some cents a piece. Let's just call it 50 cents for round numbers, because that's easy math for all of us. So If Gary's worth 23 rally and rally's worth $0.50 apiece, then Gary's worth $12.50. Simple math, right? So how does Gary increase in value? Well, two ways. Either Rally goes up because the overall, like the market cap of rally is like 1.1 billion. So, like, industrial investors could come in, or big money could come into Rally and Rally could go up as a token, or Gary Coin could grow and as more Rally is stashed in Gary Coin, then Gary Coin won't be equal to 23 ral. It'll be equal to 24 or 25 or 26 or 30 or 40 or 50. And if Gary coins equal to 50 rally, you know, one Gary coin is 50 rally, then we would have a $25 coin even if rally stayed flat. So there's two. It's a little bit of a seesaw there. There's two pieces moving in the equation. So. And it works. And the reason why it works is like my economy's small. I have 1205 supporters. So I've had 1,205 people that have held my coin. Now that's a good number, but that's not millions. So when you get into launching these tokens and coins, how are we going to create liquidity? How are we going to stabilize the environment? How are we going to have some tech to exchange commerce? How do people buy the coin? And Rally takes care of all of that for me. So you can buy coin with credit card or crypto. So you can use Coinbase Commerce or a credit card. They have liquidity built in. There's millions of dollars of transactions every single day in the Rally market. And there's a bit of a baseline stability for me because I'm pegged against Rally. So I have a lot more stability than if I just had. We have about 140,000 tokens in circulation.

Okay.

So it's kind of every new coin costs a little bit more than the last coin, but every time someone sells, it's burned and it disappears. So there's an infinite supply of Gary Coin. They're just in circulation and then they burn. So buy and create, sell and burn or trade back and forth and it stays in circulation.

Got it. Gotcha.

That makes sense.

Yeah, it does.

Yeah. And Rally's interesting.

Feel free to break it down. And I know I covered a lot there so well.

And Rally is all influencer, creator based, right? So like basically they're, they're looking at creators like yourself, like ourselves, doesn't matter if it millions of people, but a thriving community because that's going to raise the value of Rally. Obviously your coin as well, the trading and the volume of all that stuff involved.

So it's essentially people, people who buy the Rally coin, or, sorry, buy Gary Coin, are betting that the brand of Gary is going to go up.

Right?

They're betting that you're going to, you know, bring more people into the community and build something special so that the value of the coin goes up and more people want access to the coin.

Right?

That's. That's kind of the. The idea there.

Yes. And yes. And so on the surface, yes. Now there's kind of three buckets that Rally plays in. The third bucket is all coins need to play here. If you're a commerce coin or a cryptocurrency, you have to have utility, because if not, then you're considered a security.

Right.

We don't want to be securities, we want to be cryptocurrencies.

Can you define that really quick?

Security, because that's defined security.

Such a loose thing right.

Now, I'm not going to give you financial advice here and I'm not going to give you a legal definition, but for me, it's. If there's no purpose of owning Gary Coin other than the future potential to make an income or make a growth. So your goal of buying Gary Coin is. So it goes and increases in value and you get nothing else in return. That's what I would consider a security in my space. So that's what I have to fight against. I have to make sure there's utility. So what I did is I built utility. So we're a creative studio. We have fun. So every person that owns one Gary Coin gets on stage with me on Clubhouse. So we built an auxiliary account for Clubhouse, kind of like a little bot sets on stage with me. And when you come in the room and you raise your hand, it checks your wallet. And if you have Gary Coin in your wallet, it auto invites you to stage.

Whoa. So you get to come set up, synced up and all that stuff.

Well, we use the rally gate. So Rally has its own ecosystem, so we're not having to interact with Metamask at this level.

Got it. Okay. Yeah. It's a total ecosystem.

We did it then. We did it also with NFTs in the rally gate. So now we have NFT gate. So if you have this NFT in your wallet, you get the gate and you can come on stage. So we built that. That's utility. I do coffee every single morning in my community at around 5am East coast time. So I go into my Discord community with my cup of coffee and I have coffee with anybody that shows up. I get 20 to 30 people there every single day.

How cool.

Now they have to have one Gary Coin to get into the coffee shop. So I have utility. Now, if you have 10 Gary coin, then you get access to over a hundred hours of transcribed, searchable coaching of mine. If you have 50 Gary coin, you get Access to and you're a creator at Rally you get access to some tools that I have. If you have 250Gary coin, what most people would charge $10,000 for for group coaching, I give it to you for free for owning 250 Gary Coin. You never have to pay me. All you have to do is put 250 Gary coin wallet. And when you do that, well, what you just did is you helped the whole community because you, you supported, you added more value that's backing our coin. The cost of everyone's coin goes up and Rally pays passive income to everyone that owns the coin. So this week I'll give you an example of another coin just to put it in supporters fashion. I own. I don't know if you know Brian Fanzo.

I know of him, yeah.

Yeah, he's a good friend of mine. He has the ADHD coin at Rally so I own a thousand of his coins.

Okay.

This week I'll make $80 in passive income just by owning his coins.

Wow. And is that in the form of more Rally coins?

They'll give you that Rally but there's a bridge and it's fully liquid. I hit one button and those Rally end up in my Coinbase account.

Wow, interesting.

I moved 11,000 rally to Coinbase for $7.

It's better than Ethereum. Huh?

Well, and the conversion is there. I mean it's a full, there's like Rally is tradable on Coinbase. It's the number 53 or so most popular token on Coinbase. So the liquidity sets a Coinbase or any other major exchange.

That's so cool.

So I'm getting this week I'll get about $9,000 personally in income based on my Gary Coin balance and free rewards from Rally as the creator and my community will make about 10,000 on top of that.

That makes a lot more sense now with going with Rally Coin as a creator. If you're able to get a coin, are people even able to get coins? Is there a process for that?

So it's an open application and what they're looking for is they're looking for you guys. They're looking for communities that are on a come up. You're creating content, you have a rapid group of supporters. You have. When I onboarded they were for about $500 a month in transactional volume. I mean I did $3,000 yesterday and new people buying new Gary Coin like I have transactional volume. So that's what they're looking for. And if you think about it, coins launch at 20, 30 cents a piece. So, you know, you're not looking at much. If you had 50 people that would put in $10 a month to help you grow your economy, then you're probably in a pretty good spot. You know, we have my top 50 coin holders, own 101 or more Gary Coin.

Wow. Wow.

And we have about 140,300 Gary coin in circulation. We're at a $12.50 coin. And I'll blow your mind for just a second, because if I got, I don't know, 10,000 people to hold just one coin apiece more, then our coin would go to $45 a coin.

Jeez. Wow.

So think about your podcast, right? And imagine if every day on the podcast, your goal was get everybody to own one of your coins. Just one, maybe two, but just one.

Well, some call to actions mid. Mid episode. We're like, bing, you want to get that rally built. The tech.

Yeah, it's already built. They have the sniffers in place. It can play music for you. Everything's already built for you. It's a turnkey creator platform.

Wow.

It's truly phenomenal. And where they're headed next year, I mean, I'm a huge fan of Rally. And one of the reasons why, like, if you guys get on the rally platform, your community comes in. What does that mean? Some of them may grab some Gary coins, some of them may not. That's okay. But they're going to grab more rally, which is going to increase the value of Rally, which increases the value of Gary Coin by default. So we all win when the rally ecosystem grows.

Yeah.

But next year, they're trading and they're switching their rewards. So right now their reward system is incentivized on community growth. So they take your average balance the last four weeks and your current balance. And if it's. If there's a spread, you make rewards on that spread. Starting next year, they're actually going to pay every single person that owns one Gary Coin rewards every single day. So every single person that owns at least any amount of Gary Coin will get free passive income every single day.

Wow. Yeah.

That's amazing. It's just.

It's a wild. I mean, very much like Miami, very much like New York City. It's taking that equation and saying, hey, we're making money, because there's a bunch of money stocked here. So we're going to shift that and split it across the ecosystem.

Everyone. Yeah, everyone invested.

Or people can watch an episode like this and go, man, that Gary guy, he's got passion. He's freaking hustling. He's out there talking about this stuff. Maybe instead of creating my own coin, I'll just put a bunch of money in Gary Coin because I know he's going to go out there and work to make that coin grow in value.

We had it happen. We had one guy, he put in $1,300 in March. I met him on Clubhouse. He cashed out liquid back to Coinbase. Over $40,000 so far this year.

Geez.

We put $1,300 in Gary Coin in March.

Wow. And I'm just thinking of, like, think of the other creators that are going to come on with their own coins and the potential that's going to happen. Like you're just going to see that in a lot of ways it raises all the ships. Yeah. Gary Coyne's value is going to raise everyone else's.

If Mr. Beast jumps on and makes a Rally coin and then makes a video about how Mr. Beast Coin is going to be the next big thing and everybody that has Rally coins, no matter which creator they're holding, is going to profit off of that.

Yeah. Paris, like Paris Hilton is an investor at Super Layer. The investor pool, they have a $250 million DAO sitting there. Like the investor pool is wild.

So I wanted to ask, when it comes to Rally Coin. So Rally has all the suite of tools built in. So if I wanted to create like a members area that's content that is only accessible to people who own my coin, how does that work? Is that like a WordPress plugin? Like how does that stuff come together?

Some of it you have to build on your own. So I, we built some tech and we integrated with Stu McLaren searchy software.

Okay.

Uh huh.

Yep.

So they have a Discord bot built, so you could very easily launch private content in like Discord servers and stuff like that. That's easy. Or you could start to integrate. They have an API, so you could integrate with any tech that you want because it's on the blockchain and it's public and it's wide open. So you have whatever you want or need there.

Wow.

Okay.

It's like a whole closed loop community. Yeah. So you don't have to think about the whole process of doing any of that stuff yourself.

Now.

How about with nft? So with your Giraffe Tower drop, that was what, a couple weeks ago or so, how does that fit into the whole equation here with Gary Coin? And because I know it's all super linked up, it Was.

We started with what was going to be 50 and that was my goal to create 50 giraffe that was going to be kind of community focused, community centered. So that's what I started with. And I did my math and I'm not an artist, I can't draw or anything. So I worked with an artist and I did math and I said, well, let's go get 100 of these. I didn't think I could move a hundred. I sold the first 100 in Gary Coin. So I used my own coin. And what we did is we did a live lottery or a live draft. So small community, we needed to make an impact. So I sold position number 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and then I flipped and I went back and I sold the back end. So we sold positions in a live lottery and instead of doing a blind mint, what I did is you. It was a hand curated selection of 100 giraffe. So if you bought position number one or pick number one, you got to pick out a 100 giraffe, whichever one you wanted. If you bought number two, you pick number two or number three, you pick number three. So the beauty of buying early is you're earlier in the draft. We also gave some free adoptions when we took the collection to 10,000. So we sold a bit of a package. We ended up doing about US$300,000 in the first 100 draft. So pretty solid launch.

You moved them.

You know, it sold out. It was every time we dropped one of the the giraffe and we sold like the cheapest ones were like 50 Gary coin. The most expensive was 750 Gary coin. So pick number 99 was 50. Pick number one was 750.

Yeah.

Only difference was, you know, you got to pick earlier and you got some extra adoptions. But when we went to finish the hundred, the market was really hot. So we decided to push on through to our 10,000. We wrote all of our smart contracts and all of our generative tech and everything. We went to min on the 22nd. That was the week that gas shot through the roof and eth shot through the roof and we ended up moving almost 1200 giraffe year one.

Wow.

Which is really cool for me. We moved.

About 1200 in our primary cell and we moved over 20E secondary so far.

I was going to say community.

Yeah, like for my size, community. We're moving considerable volume and we did something that I've never seen another project do. I locked the collection up.

So I'm going to come up. I know I'm going to sell 10,000 giraffe. I think every creator in the world needs to have a giraffe in their wallet. Just that simple. So the fact that 10,000 giraffe didn't get sold today, that's just what it is. If you go back and look at the people who minted Bored ape Yacht Club, one person minted 1200 apes.

Wow.

I just didn't have somebody mint 1200.

Yeah.

True debt.

That's okay. It just is what it is. I actually think I'm in a really good position because when I open up my adoptions again, I'm not going to sell them for 0.05 anymore. I'm selling them for the floor.

Yeah, yeah.

That's like point.

I don't care if it takes me 10 years.

Yeah. I think what we. I looked last night. I don't. I haven't looked today, but it was at 0.35 eth floor when I looked last night.

Yeah, yeah. I looked this morning. It's actually. I'm on it right now. Yep, there it is.

If it's at a.35 floor, what we did is we said if you have five or more giraffe in your wallet, you get some voting rights in the community. We'll pick a price and we'll open up at that price. And that's just what we'll do. We'll just pick the price and open.

Yeah.

And when we pick the price and open, you know, well, if that's at 0.3, cool. I make all that money. Those are all mine.

Yeah.

I just happen to make a lot more money in that process.

Yeah.

It's smart because it makes it so anybody who's holding an existing NFT doesn't feel screwed when a new mint comes along and people start buying them at 0.5 and then flipping them on the floor or 0.05 and then flipping them on the floor at 0.35, you know, that would really piss off a lot of the existing holders. So I think that's a smart approach.

Happened before and I think.

Didn't you do some other incentives to grab NFTs? I know the windows are closed now, but you had some other incentivized projects going on where if you bought an nft, you get some future rewards and things like that.

Yeah, yeah. We're in a lockup right now. We have most of our inventory locked away. I have a unique position. I own a Gary Coin. So I told my community, if you lock up all your giraffe and you don't list them or sell them or make them available, then I'll give you 100 Gary coin on the 5th of January.

So instead of having a staking contract built, we're writing stuff like that. But instead of doing all that right now, I just said just hold them. So now we have about 20 or so available on the secondary market and that's it. Out of 1200 that are available. So almost no inventory. Most of those are ones that I held back in my wallet to release to people. So I've got a couple of those listed. No one in the community wants to sell because they want their 100 Gary coin because it gets them closer to getting coaching with me at 250 Gary Coin and that's what they want. So it's just, we're just a teeter totter back and forth and back and forth. As I'm growing the community and what I've been able to do is keep the floor higher than I wouldn't have been able to support 10,000 buyers coming in. They would have all had insane expectations and the floor would have trashed and then I would have had to try to rebuild that myself. That's a lot of work. So I just did it a little different. I wish more collections would look at the long term path instead of saying like we didn't sell out in three days, let's burn everything and shrink our collection and we'll try it again later. Just lock it up and sell it later and make more money.

Yeah. And you're, you have a brand to hold as well, you know, like there's a brand, not only yourself, but the Giraffe Tower brand. So I love the fact that you're going smaller and easing into it with these mechanisms because you see all these 10,000.

NFT project drops and a lot of them aren't selling out, so they decrease it to 5,000 or whatever. But the community, it's like all that stuff in the back end is so tough to support. You have the floor price to think about, but also just keeping people pumped up to hold. You're approaching it right and it's totally different from things that we've seen or been involved in ourselves.

Now with Draft Tower, you made a comment about how you think every creator should have a giraffe in their, in their wallet. What, what are the, the utilities? What's, what's the benefit you see for creators for holding one of the giraffes.

So in the Giraffe Tower, if you are there, you get a ton of utility, you get access to our community. Our giraffes are at a Suzanne Evans and Larry Wingett event right now. I bought all their tickets. So getting access to free virtual events. We have tower talk. So we have bt, which is a grammy nominated musician coming in to do a private fireside chat, only available to giraffe owners. All this stuff is happening virtual, so bringing in special guests, all those things. Now if you own two, we're creating a bit of an ecosystem. We have a utility token called gleef. So every one giraffe earns one gleef per day. Just a utility token. But what that utility token does is if you own two, you're able to make babies. So we have a perpetual baby machine. Basically every so often we have new collections of babies. Our first babies come out in December. You make them by owning two giraffe and having some gleef. You make one baby, that baby's liquidity for you. You can sell that baby. That baby pool will grow to hundreds of thousands and thousands of wallets. So every wallet that has a baby gets access to the community, gets access to some of our events. And then we have a full membership site that we're building out that's community driven. We call it the library. So community members can request and propose to put content in the library. The community votes what content goes in the library and the community manages the library. And the only way you get access to the library is having a giraffe. So master collection at the top that will evolve to 10,000 big, huge quantity of collection to put a giraffe in every creator's wallet that we can in the world.

Dude, that's a hell of a network effect. You know, getting that in the hands of so many people, it just lifts everything up. The whole project as a whole, that whole breeding program. You're seeing that in some more NFT projects now. But I've been seeing that when you're rolling that out, I'm like, oh, this is smart.

I'm creating my own affiliates and I'm paying them and they get to choose how they want to. How they want to get paid. They can either hold their token and get paid when they want, or they can sell it right now, or they could give it away as a bonus in their program or whatever. Because the only way you will ever get a baby is if you own two giraffe and you get our free utility token, which is gleef. So the only way babies are produced is if our community produces them. That's it.

Wow.

So it's a really cool model that I don't think we can live in an ecosystem where you just can't be in 200 discords.

No way.

What's going to happen when mainstream, like, we're power users, you and I, we're power users, the three of us. But the normal consumer, they're going to find one, two or three communities and be done. Yeah, that's it. And if you're a creator, I want one of those communities to be the draft tower.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, Joe and I, we've. You mentioned something about you're creating this. This army of affiliates. And we've had this conversation a lot lately because our background is affiliate marketing. That's the world that we come from. But we've had this realization that this is where affiliate marketing is going. Instead of saying, like, hey, here's my product, everybody go promote it. I make the lion's share of the sales and we'll give you a commission as a thank you for promoting it. Now we build a community of, let's say, 10,000 people. These 10,000 people are all rising the ship together. If Joe's promoting this thing, I'm benefiting. If Gary's promoting this thing, I'm benefiting. Everybody in the community rises this together now. And that's just a better model than affiliate marketing, dude.

Yeah.

And you get, like, it's yours. You get the true benefit. Like, imagine if you would have bought a bunch of bored apes back in the day back in May, you know, way back in the day, like six, seven months ago.

Crazy.

Back in the day in crypto world.

That'S three years ago.

Yeah, but you buy 10 of them. Right. If you went to sell those today, you would have 500 ETH.

Yeah. Sitting pretty.

Like, you would have bought those for less than 1/8. You would have went from 1 eth to 500 eth by taking a chance, getting in a project and just going and being loud and promoting it and holding. Holding and being patient. And you only needed to be patient in this example for seven or eight months and that's it. Or six or seven, whatever it's been. It hadn't been that long.

Yeah, it's such a crazy concept. I feel like, like hopefully minds are getting blown because I feel like every day, even your model here, my mind's kind of getting blown because it's a reworking of the norms outside of the crypto space, the web3 space, these structures just don't exist. And this ownership where we can all rise ships together so Damn fun. And, I mean, you're in the perfect position, starting going all the way back to clubhouse. That's where it kicked off a lot of this stuff. You were always the behind the scenes guy and you got a book deal. We got to mention that because we didn't really talk about the clubhouse book yet.

But, like, you're just taking that now and then, applying the whole community element and these cool mechanisms to just grow your brand, but everyone else's, whoever's involved at that. Yeah. At the same time, it's just a crazy, crazy time that we're living in. So, yeah, five months might feel like three years. Five years. But this is probably why so much happening all at once.

Yeah. It's funny because, you know, in the crypto market, I say you got to be. You got to be patient because stuff, you know, it drops and it comes back up and it drops and you gotta be patient. But, you know, for me, like, anything over 30 days is being patient.

Right.

Like, it's tough. Everything moves so fast that it feels like everything's falling apart one day, and then the next day you're like, oh, wait, no, it's fine again.

Right.

We've been seeing that just in the general altcoin markets for the last week is. It's like, I wake up one day, I'm like, ah, crap, it's starting crypto winter. It's crashing, everything's going down. Next day, I wake up, oh, everything's back up again. We're good. You know, it's just this crazy roller coaster.

I think some of the difference is looking at projects like that that really don't have that true utility around it. You don't need the next thing. Like, if you started a project, for example, like, let's say you launched a coin, and let's say you said, get the hustle and flow chart coin. And if you have a hundred of them, you can be a guest on the podcast. Imagine if you could look in your community and watch people celebrating as they were buying more coins because their goal was to get to 100 so they could come be a guest on your podcast.

Yeah.

And every coin they bought costs more money. And if they would buy them when you launched, maybe to get a hundred coin, it costs like, I don't know, 30 bucks. But maybe if they buy them six months later, to get 100 coin, it costs like 1200 bucks.

Yeah.

So your community gets to set all that. Like, you just win together, you win with them. Them, they have something to build toward. They're celebrating with you. When you get a big guest on the podcast, you know what they would do? They would go buy more coin. You know why? Because they know the coin is going to go up in value. Because you got a brand new guest.

We just got more attention.

Or driving supply and demand. You're not waiting on Elon Musk to send a tweet for your meme coin that you own one. One millionth of a percentage off. Have you get to say, like, literally, I went to. I host town hall in my community every single Wednesday on town hall. I let my community know yesterday that I was moving over 10,000 rally into Gary Coin on Saturday night. It's just facts. I'm going to. Those are my rewards. I'm pushing them all in. I just disclosed my intentions for Saturday night.

Wow.

My community decided to go take their credit cards out and buy $3,000 in us in more Gary Coin because they knew the value was going to go up and they wanted to get in before that happens. They're trying to buy it before my book drops because they know the value is going to go up and my attention is going to go up. So they're just trying to get into the community early. Like, that's what you want. You want people fighting to get in early.

Yeah.

You don't want to beg them.

Yeah, right.

Investing in. In your concept, your. You, your creations, your content. Like, you want to be able to look at the community and say, hey, hey, when we get to a $20 coin, we're gonna go pay the biggest guest we've ever had and bring in X name, dude. Because it costs a budget, but the community's funding it.

Dude, you're blowing my mind.

The community wants it. You're their surrogate, basically.

Yeah, no, you're blowing our mind because you literally just kind of figured out how to go and get the biggest name guests on, you know, pay their speaker fees. How do you get the speaker fees? Raise money through the community. And it. If the community wants to see the speaker, they'll help you raise that money to get that speaker.

How about like a voting for, like, hey, what. What kind of guest you want on? All right, well, if you're holding the coins, you know, you have a say in the mix here. You know, there's a. I feel like you told us this earlier in the year.

You know, we weren't ready to hear it yet.

We definitely were not, man, but.

And you have to get there. I mean, it's. It's. It's a journey. It's a Commitment.

Yeah.

You know, I don't charge any person for my services anymore.

Yeah.

There's no way to pay me. It doesn't exist. The only way is if you buy Gary Coin. Now, there may be moments where I'll say, like, move some of your Gary Coin from your wallet to mine, like when I sold giraffes. But other than that, like, you can't pay. You can't pay for coaching. If you want coaching, go buy Gary coin.

Yeah.

If you want access, go buy Gary Coin. Because then everybody. And what it does for me is, well, Gary, do you have a payment plan? I sure do. You can buy a fraction of a Gary Coin as much as you want or as little as you want want. Well, Gary, I can't make my payment this month. No problems. You don't have to buy it next month. Well, Gary, I've got those 250 Gary coin and, you know, I don't want your coaching anymore. Can I get a refund? You sure can. Just sell your 250 coin. I don't care. You'll probably make money. Yeah, I don't want to come this month. Don't come this month. I don't care. Well, Gary, the coin went up in value. Then hold on to your coin and make more money. You don't even have to come to coaching. Just hold on and let's go for a ride together. Like, we all win together. There's no bitching and moaning. It's just easy now.

And that's why, you know, like, maybe they might not be into clubhouse or, you know, like, hopping in on all the Gary Gary talks and stuff that you give them access to, but sure as hell, I would believe in you. And I do believe in you, you know, so your brand's gonna rise. The rally brand's gonna rise. So if it's a money thing. Yeah, hold it. Or if it's a clout thing with a cool giraffe, cool. Start breeding them and spreading like crazy and tell everybody about it. There's so many benefits and reasons why you would want to hold.

I know Gary Vaynerchuk, he described it as, I am basically Ipoing myself. He's like, if I was a company. Well, he is a company, right? But if I was a publicly traded company as a person and I was to go put myself out there, how many people are gonna bet on me that I'm gonna grow into the future? How many people are gonna bet on me that I'm gonna. I'm gonna get more valuable, more publicity, bigger, make More money. How many people would bet on me personally? And I loved that analogy of like, I think he was talking about his V friend specifically. Right. His, his nft. But that's what that was, how he was saying it. He's like, who's gonna bet on me that I'm gonna get bigger than I am now, that I'm gonna get more famous, make more money, all of that kind of stuff. Who wants to bet on me?

And that's, that's what you're looking at. You know, whether it's a coin or an NFT shop or whatever it is, it's your community showing up to support you and saying, we believe in your future and where you're headed. We want to support you. We want more of whatever it is that we fell in love with in the first place.

Yeah, absolutely. It's the way that any brand, any creator influencer is going to IPO themselves. You know, if a brand hasn't done it already. Well, guess what, there's an opportunity for anyone to do it here, you know, with a little bit of audience. Doesn't, doesn't need a lot like you were saying, you know, but the vision.

And the come up, that's what we want as consumers. Yeah, we want to be able to say like, yeah, I like these guys. I like the podcast. I want to get some good guests. I want to get some good stuff so I'll support them, them when I can.

We're going to own crypto anyway, so why not own some of your coin? Like, like, why not, why not get a cool utility by doing that? Like, I can leave my east setting here or I can move a little bit of it over here. Like, I'm not telling people to go put $100,000 in Gary Coin. It's not what it's for. It's. It's to engage your community in a big way and then you move energy into like the draft tower it sets on E eth. We move energy from Gary Coin in the micro community to the big ETH platform. Bigger opportunities there. So you start looking at this like, my goal is, could we get 50 people to have 250 Gary Coin in the wallet? Well, that'd be really cool. We'd have a really healthy economy. We probably have about a $60 coin. That's a really solid coin. Just getting 50 people to have 250 Gary coin in their wallet based on everything else that sits there today. So that's easy for me. I own because I did a. Whenever I sold the giraffes we had 10,000 of those Gary Coin moved back to my wallet. So I own 66,000 Gary coin.

So when those Gary coin are worth 50 bucks a piece, 55 times 66,000.

Not going to do math right now, but it's a big number.

It's a nice one. Yep.

So every dollar that, that goes up, they tell you when you, when you. You are traded on the stock market, for every dollar you make, you get a 10x multiple.

I'm getting more than that. I'm getting more than that.

So this is the reason why creators and brands should be looking at this model for sure. Maybe it's Rally. Probably Rally or something like Rally. And watching Gary as well. So checking out Gary Club or Club Gary, that is. And like, what's. How would someone now, like, what's the best way to enter your ecosystem for someone off the street? Like, you know, they're hearing us on the podcast. How are they going to find you? Where's the place to go?

Easiest place is just Gary Club. Okay, so open up your web browser. Gary Club. There's a lot of cool URLs behind there. You know, there's. If you type in slash Discord, you can go straight to our Discord server. I engage mostly on Clubhouse and Twitter. So those are two major social networks. Gary Henderson, both of those places quite a large following on Clubhouse and not so much on Twitter, but that's okay. But we have about 3,000 creators in Discord and that's where I spend my time.

Cool. So if somebody wanted to buy the Gary Coin, would they go, Is there links to do that? And if they want to buy the Draft Tower, that all the links are within those places?

Yeah, all the links are. I mean, if you come to Discord, we have. If you're going to get involved in Web3 in this environment, you need to get really familiar with Discord.

Of course.

And you need to get yourself in the habit of going to the Discord server and checking out the official links channel.

Yeah.

Because there's a lot of scams that exist. There's a lot of people that'll put up a fake website to grab your ether or fish for something. So always go to the official website. Don't even type it in. So always go to like our Discord server. And then when you're in there, click the link in the official links and it'll take you right where you need to go. So we can take you to the Coin or the Giraffe Tower or the Book or anywhere else we want to take you.

Yeah, that's really good advice because we're hearing about it more and more on Twitter where people are, you know, especially if you're in Discord, you'll see just a ton of DMs if you don't have your DMs turned off of people going, hey, this project that's super hyped up is minting. Now click this link to mint it. And pretty much 100% of them are scams. Right. If it's not in the announcements, in the official Discord, it's probably a scam.

Don't click it all. Yeah. Always check where you're sending your money and don't give out your. All the secret phrases, all that stuff.

But, yeah, I mean, I got wrecked one time. I was walking to the local bar. I had a beer in my hand. It was. There was. I wanted to mint something. I got the message on my phone. I thought it was a Discord message. I sent the button. I sent 0.75 ETH. A lot of money. I was so excited, I high five my wife. I ordered another beer. And then I looked down and I said, I just got rugged. I sent Eth to a blind contract. I got 12 random, odd, weird NFTs delivered. Luckily, I didn't get my wallet hacked or anything. I just got NFTs I didn't want, but I just totally got rugged for like 0.75 eth. So it happens to everybody. You just gotta be careful there.

Yeah. Do your research first.

Let's talk about your book coming up. Because I know there's actually a little bit of alpha around the book too. Right. You've got some special stuff happening with the book that the book's about. Clubhouse. But it ties into the NFT world that we're talking about right now. So let's talk about the book and what your plans are with that.

Yeah, so we. When I. When I wrote the book, I wanted to take a different path. I didn't want to do the normal book launch that this industry would do. You know, go do this, go do this, go do this. I wanted to do something creative. I reached out to Hay House and I asked them for permission to drop an NFT with the COVID of my book. And I told them I wasn't going to sell that, which I'm not. So when you buy one copy of my book anywhere, you buy it, you'll fill out a form in our Discord server and you'll get a free nft. Now, the NFT is going to be the COVID of my book. And it's going to have three unique utilities for you. Utility number one is you're going to get access to a $20 a month monthly coaching program for life of owning that NFT. So I charge $20 a month for about a hundred hours of coaching on demand. You get access to that for life. Just keep that NFT in your wallet. Utility number two will be private channels and Discord. So getting access to private community in our Discord server. And utility number three is access to private stages in Clubhouse where you'll be able to come in and get live coaching from me. As you're going through learning about Clubhouse, learning about, you know, implementing the strategies in the book, building your funnel, all of those things, I'll be there to help you along the way and your NFT will get you onto that stage to ask me questions. So you buy one copy of the book or you grab it with an audible credit or you download it on Kindle. I don't care how you get it. In all honesty, I'll just be real with you right here. You can even lie to me and tell me you did it and I'll still give you the nft.

If you need that NFT that bad and you want it, you just come into Discord and tell me, make up some receipt numbers. I'm going to ask you what your receipt number is and you make up some numbers and you're still going to get it. I'm not. I.

That's sick.

That's on you. So what's, what's the point Rally gives me as a creator? I think it's 10.99 on Kindle, 11.

Bucks on Kindle or 18 bucks on print, it looks like.

Yeah. So I got myself a hundred hardcover. It's pre ordered right now. I know it's releasing December 7th, so depending on when this, this will be released before that at least part of this episode. So we'll let make sure you're in. And it's called the Clubhouse Creator. So I grabbed on Amazon but what was it? Gary Club Book, I believe is.

Yeah, Gary dot Club Book. And what Rally does as a creator is it allows me to send NFTs to people without charging gas.

Yeah.

So this isn't a free mint. This isn't a.

It's not a. You got to pay the gas to get your nft. I'm going to airdrop every single person their NFT with no gas costs solid. And if you decide to sell it, you can sell it. And there's no fee to list it either.

And it'll show up in Opensea like all the normal places.

It doesn't. It's. So Rally has their own NFT ecosystem.

Gotcha.

So it'll set in the garden there. Kind of like if you go to Top Shot or something like that. They have their own garden, but there's no listing fee. When you go to list, you don't have to authenticate your wallet. You never ever have to engage with your ETH wallet. So you're all nice and safe and secure. It's all in its separate ecosystem and gate.

Very cool. That makes sense. I mean, it's like keeping it inside the Rally ecosystem. Right. So everything kind of play nice inside there.

Yeah. And all the Rally tools that you've set up for validation on the backend and stuff all just works. That makes a lot of sense. Oh, damn.

This is such a cool model. When you said you had an NFT behind this, I was just starting to think. Thinking we were talking about like, what are the utilities that Gary can put behind a book? Like any person that purchases a book. Okay, cool. You get this pass, this access pass, and that's a good way to like frame it for anyone. Just kind of thinking about this model is like, boom, you just got this cool guy pass, cool girl pass into the club. As long as you're holding that pass, you're in the door. You can sell it or give it away or whatever. But like, I could see so many more books taking this model and running with it.

Yeah. I was going to ask, have you seen other books do this? Because this is unique. I've never heard of this happen with books. I think you might have just invented a new way to launch books.

Love it.

I mean, I've done so many book launches, I think I've done six New York Times bestsellers. And you just get bored. You know, it's like, get this bonus. Get that bonus. I. I just wanted. I had some unique tech. I just figured I'd flex it and use it. It's like, how many creators get to give an NFT gas free and drop it to you? How many creators can say, I've been recording hundreds of hours of content and I've got. Got it all transcribed and I'll just. I don't care, I'll just give it to you because I know even if a hundred thousand people went and bought my book, there's no way that'll happen. Let's just say it did. There's millions of people that still need to get access.

Yeah, right.

I know that. I know there's millions of people that still need access to that content. So what does that mean? That means I now have a hundred thousand people out here talking how great it is, sharing the stories, sharing the name. I don't care. Like, go buy the book. I'll give it to you. Go buy five or ten. You know, it doesn't like, it's just, it just makes sense. But you've got to look at numbers different. You got to look at abundance different.

Oh, dude, you nailed it. It's abundance is different. And this web three equals abundance. I would say that's accurate across the board, you know, with any kind of mechanism. Inside, it's everything. So get the clubhouse creator book. Gary Club book is the place to go. Get that. And then what? And then go to Discord right after that. Right. Fill out that whole VERIFY thing. I'm sure it's pretty obvious I have not done it yet. Got it?

Yeah.

You've got until December to do that. So plenty of time solid. We're in a steady promotion every single day. We'll have a little bit of hold back on the back end. This will drop around the. Our NFT will drop around the 15th of December. So we'll get through that initial launch week, give everybody time to grab the book and we'll drop the NFT around the 15th of December.

Very cool.

The last little rabbit hole I want to go down with you is, I'm curious what projects outside of the Gary ecosystem are looking at. What are you excited about right now? I know you sent over.

Stuck in my head still Miami coin.

You sent over stuff about the bored apes music thing, the ape in. Yeah, I mean we've just been eating all of this stuff up. The Miami thing I think really blew our mind of like this is where the world's going. We're going to get to a point where cities are competing to get you to come live in their city. Like that's where we're going right now. It's insane. But all that being said, what has you lit up right now?

Let's see. So I bought.

I've spent probably 100 ETH in the last three months buying NFT projects in and out of different communities, flipping in and out, checking out what's going on. Unique stuff lights me up. So I, I own a lot of anonymized bags, So I have 10 anonymized mice. That's a cool project. It's all on chain. It was the first fully on chain project. It was a free mint. The floor surged to 12 ETH.

Wow. Off a free mint. Wow.

It's right now at about a 2 1/2 e floor. So I own 10 mice. They're, they're staked earning cheath every single day. The mutants really excite me. I connected yesterday with the new song. So Timberland launched a new music group. Group, but it's. It's unique. So for 0.25 ETH, or a quarter of an ETH, you got a song, a track, which you own the rights to. Like, I asked them, I said, can I play it on a podcast? They said, you own it. I said, can I like. Because normally, like, you know, podcasts, you can't just. Like, if you wanted to grab Snoop Dogg's new song or Bruno Mars's new song, you couldn't just put it on your podcast, but you own the rights to it, so it's yours. It's a really, really, really cool song, but it's all eight. But what they did, their utility that's so neat is if you own that token and an ape or a mutant or a dog, you can put your ape in their contract and they'll manage it in their talent pool.

So basically that means that they could show up right. In one of the future tracks or animations. I think they're doing videos and stuff.

Too, with Timberland's management company behind it.

Dude, it's a whole. It's a record label, essentially. Right. Like, I was kind of peeking at it this morning. I was like, this thing's blowing my mind.

It's a record label that sounds like it's essentially being operated as a dao, where basically everybody who owns these tokens owns a fraction of the record label and also a fraction of the license for the music that's on the label. So I would imagine there's only going to be more music that comes out in the future that you also get the license of, as long as you're still holding this nft, because now you're a member of that dao, essentially.

Yeah, it's. It's such a fun concept. And I think that's where. I think that's where we're going to go, you know, like the. I don't know if you saw the Constitution dow.

Yeah, yeah. That thing went from 20 million yesterday to like 40 overnight. I was like, what the hell just happened? I just checked it this morning. I was like, blowing my mind.

So those projects just excite me. From tech, the nouns. DAO is really cool, too. Have you Seen the nouns?

No, I don't think so. No.

How do you spell that?

Okay, it's N O U N S, like a noun.

Wtf?

So they started this project and every day, forever they will mint one new noun. And every day you bid on a noun.

And the bid today you can see. What's the bid today? I see you looking at it.

58.75 eth.

So 50.75 eth today.

Jesus.

So go to the top of the page and where it says treasury, click that link.

Link. I'm on it.

Okay, tell me how much money is in that contract?

Where are we at?

Right up here.

Oh, right here. 60 million. Yeah. Over $60 million.

Yeah.

So when you mint a noun, your proceeds, all of the proceeds go to that contract. And when you own a noun, you get access to those funds in the Dow and you control a 60 some million dollar fund right now.

Wow.

Now when you say you control the fund, what can you do with the fund?

How do you submit a proposal? And if the fund approves your proposal, then you will be funded. And you have $65 million at your disposal right now.

Oh yeah, I see it. There's a whole list of proposals here and I mean there's a bunch that have been executed. A crap ton of them.

Yeah, well read some. I can't read them from here.

Read a couple perpetual glasses to kids in need. Version 2 Retroactive funding and small grants pool. Brave sponsored takeover during NFT nyc. So that was a party proposal to name a recently discovered species of glass frog named are after nouns. A glass frog.

So pretty much anything you could propose, anything.

I mean those were executed. Those aren't even the. Yeah, there's two other proposed. Yeah, Stake one ETH and lido.

And I'm assuming these aren't loans. Right. You don't have to pay back funding.

Straight out of the grant, but you have to own 1% of the nouns in order to submit a proposal.

I see that. Yeah. 1% that.

So every day there's a new noun minted. So over time you have to. You. If you want to submit proposals, you have to buy one every 100 days.

Yeah. Because it's constantly getting diluted.

Right, Right. What a wild thing.

And every 10 days the, the original devs. The 10 or so original devs. Get a noun.

This is brilliant.

Like this, like stuff that excites me is not.

Yeah.

I'm not excited about the next PFP right now because for me I'm not gonna. I'm a giraffe forever. Like that's my forever pfp. I don't need the next PFP anymore. I've already got mine. I'm excited about the cool utilizations in the community. So I would go buy a PFP if the utility that underlied was. Was what I wanted. But I would only buy for the utility, not the PfP. Like, if I had the ETH available, I go buy a noun because I. That's really cool. If I could stick in the ecosystem and play in that environment. That's a lot of eth, but that's.

Really cool if you got it. I mean, it's a great thing to play with. Yeah, for sure.

And the PFP thing, I mean, that was a trend obviously earlier this year. Not saying that's going away at all. There's going to be a market for that, but the utilities, man, they're coming in strong right now. You know, not only you should find.

A pfp, you should find one at least. Yeah, I think everybody should have a pfp.

What's some criteria? Like, how would you. Obviously giraffes. And we're going a little longer, so I want to make sure you're good on time. But like, when you're looking for a PFP or when you're talking to someone, like, are there certain things you're looking for? Is it just purely art for that? Are you.

I would want to wear it. Like, I would want to. If it's going to be my PfP, I'd want to feel comfortable in it. I would want to feel that it's a representation of me. I'd want to feel the community as a representation of my vibe and what I'm looking to. To do. And I might want multiple PFPs if I'm vibing different.

So like, like, I can see that, but I, I just think living in the Web3 environment, you need a PfP. Yeah, like, you don't have to wear it all the time, but you need one. So I encourage everybody. I think it's a great place to start. Like, it's a great place to, to feel the. We're all going to make it energy. It's a great place to feel the, the vibes and just find something that resonates with you, that's in your budget, whatever it is, and buy it and know that you can always, always sell it if you decide you don't like it again.

That's right. And then if you don't have one yet. To those listening, like, you learn so much in the process and yeah, you're going to buy some stuff that might not shake out so well in terms of the project. But if you buy it and love it, then wear it proud, you know, and there's some cool stuff that could happen from that point. But you're part of the Cool Cub, Cool club, you know, and the web3club with the pfp.

This is fun stuff, man. It. Let's see. I'm just trying to think, is there any other. Any other. Let's see. I guess not. Projects and that ape.

Yeah. I don't know where I was going to go. We covered it. I thought we were going to. Now we're good. There's just so much to this, man. It goes deep every day. Yeah.

So after the book launch next year, do you have any big plans, any roadmap stuff that we should be paying attention to?

I mean, I'm just growing the coin and growing the economy there. We've got big goals to grow that.

We're the number 20 or so coin on rally out of 200 and some. And I'm one of the smaller communities just getting started. So we want to set right near the top of that. I want to help a hell of a lot of creators make money. More and more Rally coins are coming out of my community. More and more projects are coming out of our community. So we're like another Rally coin launched yesterday that came out of our community. So we're working closely with Rally to help help our community launch their own coins and build their own ecosystems and really grow that. So to me, it's just, how can I help creators realize there's a hell of a lot of money that we can go make together and let's figure out a path to go do it so we all win together.

Absolutely.

Good reason every day.

Dairy Club too.

Yeah, Very cool. Well, I'd love to chat with you again. Next round of giraffes. Next time you're opening up the drafts, it'd be cool to bring you back on and chat about it right before it opens and, you know, give some of our community a heads up so they can. They could get on board that round.

And in the meantime, go get the clubhouse book, you know, get that nft so you get some access to Gary that way as well. And if you're lucky to find a giraffe on the secondary market, go grab one because, man, they're. They're flying. That's for sure. Gary, it's fun. Yeah, man. Appreciate you, man. It's fun.

Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you.

Yeah, man. Man, I gotta shake my brain off for that one. That was great. And it's been a day since we actually chatted with him. Yeah, Boom. We had actually a whole mastermind session earlier today talking about the concepts we just learned from Mr. Henderson. We did and it was pretty cool. What did you take from our brainstorming but also from this episode?

Oh, man. Well, we have a whole project idea that we'll talk about in a different episode, but we want to get involved with the Rally coin. I want to do the rally coin for. For the community, for the hustle and flowchart community. We want to get some sort of coin made to incentivize the community, to help grow the community. Because this concept of if you are in a community and we're all in this community together and what's that?

Our vibe, Our tribe.

Yeah, that.

Come on.

We're all in a community together and we're all doing things to help others get into that community as well. And everybody wants into this community. The value of this community is going to grow. The coins that are underlying the community, the value is going to grow there. So you're actually earning real world value by being a part of a community. And Rally coin really, I think helps facilitate that. So I'm going to, I think we're both going to dig a lot deeper into that and figure out some sort of coin for our business.

Yeah, man. It's so cool because Rally, you and I nerded out on that. We looked at the website, we look at what Gary has done in the last 24 hours. So yesterday or when we interviewed him, it was yesterday at the time of this recording, it was around like 12, $12.30 or something like that for his coin. Now it's like over 14 bucks. Yeah.

And that's within 20. We, we interviewed him just over 24 hours ago.

So the dude knows how to create a lot of value with community using all the web three tech NFTs, all the tokenized stuff, the ERC20 tokens. But the cool thing is with Rally it's like this built in system thing. So that's what had us looking at it. We're like, man, for people who have communities maybe in discord already or maybe you're a creator on YouTube or someone with a following outside of Web3, this is like a really cool way to bring communities and ownership. You know, all these people now have ownership in this thing and staked, you know, in the rise of the value of this group. This brand like Rally just seems Like, a really cool option for that. I can see a lot of creators coming to rally, because right now you can look at the leaderboard, you know, the top coins. That's what we were looking at earlier. And we have some friends on there. Like, really cool stuff. A shout out to Steve Ulsher and the Bold coin. You know, Gary Henderson's on there. He's pretty high up there, and it's really cool to kind of start looking at the math. And that's what Gary really breaks down. Well, actually, if you join his Discord channel and we'll put it on the page, a little link or something, he actually breaks down the math of how he's doing all this. So if you are interested in this, definitely join his Discord, invest in Gary Coin, all that stuff. Buy an NFT if you can find one on the secondary.

Not financial advice.

No. Yeah, always, always, always. But the dude knows what he's doing and he's one that you want to model or at least, like, just get involved because he's. He gives so much and. And basically is telling what he's doing in action. It's. It's rad. So, yeah, we're going to be doing something like that.

Yeah, no good stuff. Like, he. He blew my mind and I hope he blew some other minds. And make sure you go grab his book, because if you grab his book, you're going to get that free NFT and all that additional coaching and stuff that you're going to get inside of the Discord. Look into Giraffe Tower, nft, that's going to keep on growing because he has, has, you know, some sort of additional incentives that make it more and more valuable over time. And check out Rally Coin. I mean, Rally Coin, we're gonna build a community token. Whether we do it on Rally Coin or not, we're still figuring out. But Rally Coin looks like a really cool option.

Yeah, man. Yeah. So the future is exciting, but now is exciting. This is crazy times, man. I feel like it's every single day. I said in the episode, I think it's like my mind's blown. Every single day. Every day, Every day. So fun. All right.

So fun.

Good times. Let's do it.

What are you doing?

I don't know. You okay? You just saying words. Words.

Do I look okay?

No, don't. I was gonna say, like, what's wrong with your face today, Matt?

I'm running on, like, three hours of sleep. That's what's up. And these are bright lights right here.

He's just really Hungover. He had a hard. He was party rocking all night long in the clubs at Lad City. He was going to.

Those clubs are crazy.

I mean, we still still haven't found a location in Lab City, but we're working. We actually, we're building one out. Yeah, we've scoped a location, actually. We just not, we haven't visited it. It's got sight unseen views.

It's got views.

It's got really cool views. Lots of cool lights and maybe some island ness. Yeah, some party beach parties on there too. All right, next time, Next time. We'll see you next time, huh? All right, see you guys later.

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