Kamal Ravikant - How To Love Yourself Like Your Life Depended On It

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What's up, everybody? You're listening to the Hustle and Float Shark podcast with your boys, Mount Wolf and Joe Fear. Joseph Fear.

Hey there.

How you doing?

I'm doing very well.

Yeah.

How about you?

I'm doing pretty good.

Yeah.

We just got done with a good interview.

We did. And I'm happy that he's the only guy we chatted with today because we have a clear mind still. We're not so tired like we normally are at the end of podcast days.

Yeah, no, this is one of those episodes where we made a special exception to like rearrange schedules to get this guest on. And so we're actually recording this on a non normal podcast day because we wanted to talk to this person, you know, so much. Not that the other people that we try to book, we don't want to talk to. I'm just not going to put my foot in my mouth anymore. We just really wanted to talk to Kamal. So we rearranged schedules to make this happen.

Dang. Right? Yeah. And big shout out to Roland Frazier, our buddy and mutual friend with Kamal. He helped us with the introduction. So I appreciate that. Yeah, thank you very much.

And just for clarity, this is Kamal Ravikant.

Yes. I always forget if we miss mention our guest name or not. So, yeah, Kamal Ravikant is on the podcast. And I feel like this guy has lived many lifetimes in his lifetime. And I don't know how old he is, but I don't think he's really that old. But he's experienced a lot. He's distilled what he's learned and I feel like he's provided his lessons, but also practical ways to improve his life and others in a very simple way.

Yeah. So he put out a book called Love Yourself like youe Life Depends On It. I think he mentioned what year it originally came out, but I can't.

2012.

2012. So he originally wrote it in 2012. And I was actually really fascinated when he told his story on here. I'm not gonna, you know, give any spoilers here, but his. His story was not what I expected at all. Like the way that he kind of got to where he is today was a much harder traveled path than I think most people would assume. And I. And he has a really great story. And so he released this book, Love Yourself like youe Life Depends On It. And then he just got a ton of feedback, a ton of people emailing him. He puts his email in the book so you can email him with questions or, you know, have conversations with him.

Super smart, by the way.

All sorts of feedback from this book and all sorts of additional questions. So he decided, I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna rework this book and I'm gonna expand on it and I'm gonna add more practical step by step advice. And he just now relaunched Love Yourself like youe Life Depends on it in. Did it come out in 2019 or just now in 2020?

It came out two weeks ago. So 2020.

Okay. So January, it's very, very, very fresh. Brand new book just came out and.

It'S an expanded version. So it's like a mixture of the old but with expanded versions of it. But then there's a shit ton of practical step by step.

Oh, he added an instruction manual inside of the book.

Literally it's a manual. Yeah. And it's really fascinating because I don't think I've ever seen anything like that where it's so step by step. And then also how like, okay, start here and then do this and then do this and do this. But each one is broken down, which is actually really cool. When Kamal and I first chatted was maybe eight months ago. And yeah, this actually right after we got introduced to each other and we had like a 45 minute call or something like that. And immediately I was like, okay, this guy's really cool. And he was just about to start writing this expanded version. Cause we were going to do this podcast like eight months ago. He was like, actually can we hold off until like January when this goes live? But also after he's like really distilled his experiences and put it on paper because that was 2012. And he said in this interview, he's like, I've learned a lot. And then obviously he gets a lot of feedback through people writing him. I mean, I'm sure it's thousands and thousands because there's already over 3,4000 reviews on just Amazon. Can't even imagine how many people reached out to him.

Yeah.

And how, I mean, how cool is that? For one, the fact that he's like putting an email address and it's also in the new book too. So I mean, this is just gonna even be bigger. Yeah, it's just really fascinating. So he's actually been able to distill his thoughts in a much clearer manner that people can actually act upon as well.

Yeah.

Which I think is really powerful. And the simplicity of it all, I think that's the thing that.

That, that is the most powerful thing. And that's like, one of my big takeaways after chatting with Kamal again here is he's a very. I'm not gonna call him a simple man. I can't say that. But the. The action steps he takes, he focuses on the simple solutions.

Yeah.

Not. Not overanalyzing the. The. The past or the why behind things.

Yeah, yeah. So we had a. We had a great conversation with him. You know, Joe and I shared some of the struggles that we've been dealing with and, you know, wanted to get some of his advice on how to handle them, and he helped us with some very practical advice on how to handle that stuff. And, yeah, I mean, we just. I love this guy. He's just a really, very friendly guy.

Loves sharing, loves spreading this message. And it's a very, very powerful message that I think once people really sort of internalize and build it into their daily practice, you know, everybody's. Everybody's gonna be happier.

Yeah. Well, and this is the thing, too, is like, if you feel like, all right, so this. This EP probably will seem a little different, but obviously not super different because we've been going down the path of, you know, a lot of the times we'll talk about marketing strategies or marketing tactics and business in general, but at the end of the day, and we talk about that with him on this show because he is. He comes from Silicon Valley, I mean, VC firm. He has his own. His brother's Naval Ravikant. He's deep in Silicon Valley. I mean, the guy is deep into business.

But this book doesn't seem like business or this talk, but it's so intertwined. And we basically talk about how this is way more important. It starts with making sure that you have your shit together internally. And with that, everything else develops to be better. Your business will not thrive unless you have your shit together internally.

Yeah. Well, I don't know if I've ever actually said this on the podcast, but we talk about it behind the scenes. We call ourselves a life improvement podcast, wearing the mask of a business podcast.

I don't know if you said. Did you say that on the show or prior to recording?

I think I told Kamal that before we hit record.

Yeah.

Okay. But, yeah, that's really how we see the show, is we're trying to improve the lives of our listeners. You know, most of the time, the vehicle is through business, but, you know, your business is going to struggle if you don't have your head screwed on right. If the mental stuff isn't, you know, figured out, if the. Your physical body isn't working right for you. If your relationships aren't working right, your business is going to struggle. Which is why we consider ourselves a life improvement podcast. But the vehicle we talk about most of the time is business. But at the end of the day, we're just trying to improve your life with the content we're putting out.

Yeah, man. And that's. That's the in it. And that's where I like this. I like how our show's developing actually into that because I feel like it takes a little bit to realize that is actually the most important thing. You can't force your way through things. You can only brute force or hustle and grind for so long.

And you can't flowchart all day either. You can't overanalyze things or else you're just stuck in the past. So it's figuring out the stuff in between. And. And yeah, if you love all the.

Tactical stuff, don't go hit the unsubscribe button yet. We are still gonna put just as much focus on that stuff. We love tactics too, but we think all of this is equally as important. In fact, some of this mindset type stuff is probably more important than any tactic. But I think the overarching theme is that there needs to be the balance of all of it. You gotta have the mindset figured out, you've gotta have your physical body figured out, you've gotta have your relationships figured out. And only once all of this stuff is sort of in alignment, are the tactics really going to pay off for you?

Totally.

Yeah. So this is definitely a foundational thing that doesn't stop once you feel like you built the foundation, because, yeah, it's never built.

And we did take notes on this one.

Of course we did.

We always take notes on it.

Always take notes.

And we always will. Hopefully. Who knows, we might not.

That's the plan. Well, people seem to love the notes, so we're not going to stop.

Well, if people stop loving them, we'll stop making them.

That's typically what we do. Yeah, we listen to the folks that are listening to us, so it's great.

There we go.

So, yeah, those notes, you can get the notes one of two ways, actually. So you can go to the website the old fashioned way. If you type in hustleandflowchart.com comp, c o m P. Or you can get your phone out and text the number 3, 8 flow 4, 7, 0 to. Yeah, actually the word is comp. I always say a little backwards. So, yeah, that's fun.

Text the word comp to 38470.

There it is. Yeah. So hustle. That's how you get them. They're free, so get them, get them quick.

They're free for about two weeks.

For about two weeks from this episode. Going live. So you can get them for free. Hustleandflowchart.com comp or texting comp to 38470 and I'll even layer this on. There is. I'm actually very curious to hear what people think about this episode and how you're going to apply it.

I'm going to do something like what Kamal says. Email me. I'm curious. So. Joevergreenprofits.com My inbox is always flooded already but I'm actually Matt's thinking I'm freaking batshit.

I am because I hear all the time how frustrated you are with how full your.

Yeah, I know. But you know what.

Let'S do it.

So yeah, do that. But get the notes.

All right, well let's go talk to Kamal and you can get those notes once again. Text COMP38470 or hustleandflowchart.com COMP alright, now let's go talk to Kamal.

Hey Kamal, how you doing, buddy?

I'm good man. As we were talking earlier, I'm a little not feeling well but I was like I'm going to show up and I'm going to do my best.

Yeah man, thank you for doing that and we'll make it a good time. I know you live and breathe everything. We're going to chat about it anyway so it'll come out, I'm sure.

Yeah. I mean, so you just released the book love yourself or love yourself like you life depends on it. An expanded version. I mean that thing. Yeah, Matt and I that just got released this month, the time of the recording two weeks ago.

Yeah.

How's that been going so far, the response and all that?

I mean the response is amazing. You know, it's the emails I'm getting, you know, I just. From entrepreneurs and just regular people. Anyone, man, and from like all walks of life, just how it's helping them. And I was reading some of the emails today. Anything from self esteem to confidence to loving themselves, you know. And then yesterday I got an email from guy who runs an organization that helps veterans get jobs when they, when they transition. Right. He's a veteran, runs, it's a nonprofit. Looks like he's a successful guy and he runs this and he emailed me and he's with photos of like his handwritten notes on the book is going, my God, every veteran needs to read this book. Everyone in the military needs to read this book. And he's like, I'll email it to my list. Like, you know, it's really, it's really special to see that impact this book is having. It's a special book, man.

It is special book. Yeah. And it's wild how it started self published. When did you first publish the original version?

The original version which was just a tiny, tiny book. I self published in 2012. So the expanded version, which is like four and a half times as big.

And four and a half infinitely more valuable as I'm finding out from the people who are reading it.

Just came out in 2020.

Got it. Yeah.

It's wild, man. How popular the self published version got. There's something like, I think it's over 3,000 reviews on Amazon alone. I'm sure your inbox probably exploded too.

Yeah, I did something most people don't do in the original version and also this version too. I put my email on the back of the book. I was like, hey, if you want to email me, here's my email address. Wow. You know what people do. That's so cool.

And it's actually you reading everything. One of our. Most of them. I don't know if you can get to all of them.

Huh. I do reply, I do read and reply. You know, like sometimes, you know, I try to. People are very kind and giving and also people have. And look, the reason why this expanded version came out is because of those emails. Because you know, I've God knows how many emails over seven years. You know, thousands, tens of thousands of emails. You know, a lot of them just telling me how this book impacted them and then some of them asking questions and after certain amount of years you start to notice a pattern in the questions. Right. And I realized, look, I, you know, the original version worked but it didn't go far enough. It didn't go deep enough. And for me to really share the whole thing, I got to go deep and for to make this thing lasting so someone can take it and make it lasting. I got to go full in. So it's because of the readers, it's because of the emails and questions. The second version exists is to answer those questions and resolve all of those.

The issues that people had.

Yeah. And that's. We were saying prior to hitting record here is we mainly have a business entrepreneur focused show talking about strategies and interesting marketing things. But then we started layering in More of this kind of talk, talking about the stresses of life, anxieties that a lot of entreprene. And of course, you're one yourself. You're baked into that space as well. And it's interesting, the responses we get. And we'll be vulnerable and tell our story. I mean, it's just kind of what we do naturally now on this show. And it's wild to know that thousands of folks are on the other end just listening. And they write in because we give our emails as well. So these are the topics that we're finding impact the most as well.

Look, I had dinner last night with a buddy of mine who's a former Navy seal. Sniper, right? Impressive, right? You don't get to be a sniper in the Navy SEALS unless, you know, you're pretty top. Top of the. You know, pretty badass. Right. And he's been in combat and all that, he said. And he's built a very. He's built a successful media business, you know, after he got out. And he told me this is way harder than anything in the seals mentally, you know, Mentally, he says, because you challenge every day, you don't have the support system you do in the military and, like, the training and all that. You just like figuring this stuff out every day. And he's got the mindse. Mindset of a seal. I mean, dude's pretty badass, right? It's kind of interesting. It tells you a lot. Like, entrepreneurship challenges you in a way that most of us aren't trained to be challenged. And it challenges you every day. You know, it's just a series of. Often feels like this series of making mistakes and fixing them every day.

It does take a toll on one, and one has to take care of themselves in the process.

Yeah, that's actually really fascinating because here's a guy you're talking about who's very structured, came from the elite of the elite. And I know you're a vet as well from the army, and I can just imagine. I mean, we're not veterans and we haven't served, but yeah, as an entrepreneur without a support group especially, or if you're going in with a team, even if you have one, if you're a leader, you are kind of just figuring it out.

You're accountable, but mainly you're kind of accountable to yourself.

Well, I also feel like there's an element among entrepreneurs where they. I don't know, a lot of them are very prideful. A lot of the circles that we run in, there's like a sort of pride, arrogance, element to it, where a lot of them don't even want to reach out for help. So everybody's just kind of acting solo and not sort of talking to people and sharing their struggles and, you know, going to proper outlets to sort of unload some of this mental toughness that's weighing down on them.

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's always been that way. You know, I mean, I've come from Silicon Valley and it's very much been like that. It's gotten better, it's getting better. You know, there's like, people are realizing that just a need to take care of themselves and however that is, you know, like, you know, like for example, your podcast, you're talking about these things. You know, it's a podcast, it's called Hustle and Flowchart podcast. Right. And yet here we are talking about concepts, about making yourself better. Because look, ultimately, whatever you create in life, your entrepreneurship is a reflection of you. Your company is a reflection of you. If you don't take care of yourself, guess what? What's going to happen there, you know, and what's the fun? If you do build something, if you do have the success and you go crash in the process, you burned yourself out in the process. So, you know, I've learned that it all starts with you. And it doesn't mean, you know, you.

It's not a selfish thing. It's more of, more of a primal thing. It's more of just how, you know, life starts from the inside out.

Yeah, yeah. And everything that. Yeah, it comes in, goes out.

You even reference it in the book and it's a pretty common phrase and everyone knows it's the oxygen mask principle in the airplane. It starts with, you can't help your kid or anyone else on that plane until you help yourself. It's so true, man. It's so easy to forget too, because I feel like a lot of entrepreneurs, we are very strong willed or very determined and have goals. So it's almost like we try to think our way through everything or push our way through, through actions. But there's these actions that we're forgetting that are internal, which. That's what you're bringing to the world here.

Well, look, no one ever taught us this. I didn't learn this in college. I didn't learn this in the military. It wasn't known.

Outside of entrepreneurship. It's a human thing, man. We all go through stuff. Yeah, we all go through things in life.

You know, we all feel joy, we all feel pain, we all Feel happiness, we all feel sadness. The details might differ, but we all feel these things. We experience them. Right. So forget entrepreneurship for a moment. Just. Just think of it as. As a human being living life. How do you make that better for yourself? Right. How do you make that experience inside your head better? Because that's ultimately what you got is what inside your head, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

Now I want to go back a little bit, so I want to get into the sort of advice that you give in the book and have some discussion around it. But before we do, I want to sort of introduce you to some of the people who might be listening that may not know you yet. And so I want to get a little bit of your story. I'm curious how you went from being in the army to going into this entrepreneurial career and being an investor and doing this, working with startups and everything you're doing now. I'm curious how did that transition look and what's sort of that backstory a little bit about how you got into the entrepreneurial world?

Yeah, that's a good question. It's funny how some of those are related. Some of those are completely unrelated. The Army, I went to college for a year and after I had a full ride, but then decided I'm going to join the military. So I joined the army for a few years, then after the army went to college and after college, travel around a bit. And then the dot com boom was backpack around the world a bit and dot com boom was happening and I moved up to Silicon Valley and started building startups and found, you know, found that I was quite good at it because.

I'm interested in too many things, which I used to think was my weakness, you know. Yeah. And then, you know, because if you like, if you want to do a career or something, you got to be interested in one thing, a career, you know, like, go get a job kind of thing. Right.

Yeah.

But what I realized when I started doing Startup World was I was perfect for it because I could, you know, because you're doing 30 things at a time.

And so I, you know, I did well at it. And.

And then, you know, at the same time, while I was building startups, I was also teaching myself to write. I wanted to be a writer of literary fiction, you know, as I was just teaching myself and studying creative writing obsessively. And here's the interesting thing, you know, I was collecting rejection letters on, you know, for my manuscripts, which got better and better, and until they got became in person, meetings and phone calls and Stuff, but, you know, so I trained myself to be a better and better writer while I was building startups. And then the last company I built, which I self funded from all the money I made over the years, and after about four years, the whole thing blew up and I lost everything and I kind of blew up with it. I kind of came apart. And it was in that moment of darkness where I had nothing left to want to go on. I made a decision that was going to get out of it. And how I did it, I don't know where it came from, but I wrote a vow to myself in my journal and it was about to love myself. And I never used to think in those terms, but that vow came from deep within me. So I had to set out and do it. Because ultimately that vow was a commitment to myself. And it was a pure commitment. There was no ego, there was no nothing. There was nothing for trying to get something. It was pure, like a pure, pure thing. And so having this concept that life is from the inside out, I just started working my inner self. And what worked, I kept. What didn't work, I threw away. And after a certain period of time, I had down to a process that as I was doing it, my inner self really started to shift and change. And it was all focused on these basic practices, on making myself feel love for myself, you know, until it became like a. Until it became like it became a natural thing. Because, you know, the thing in neuroscience, neurons that fire together, wire together. That's right. You know, if you want to just go to basic physiology, that's just how the brain works. So you're creating these deep mental patterns that just start running on their own and started your thoughts and your emotions and your life literally springs out of there.

And so now I had lost everything and I was living off credit cards and. And I was sharing with some friends what I'd done and how it helped me and it really helped them. And so they convinced me to like write it down. So all those years of training with literary fiction writer, I wrote down this little simple book just to share what I'd done because I knew it was powerful and it was changing lives and the people.

I had.

Shared with. And I, because I made a commitment to a friend of mine, I self published it on Amazon and I was terrified. I was like, who the hell is. Who the hell am I? You know, I lost all my money, I lost investors money and how I'm writing a book about, yay, I'm loving myself, look at me, you know?

Yeah.

And that book went viral. It took off. It just went viral, literally. I would like, I, you know, I put my email address in the book and God, did I get emails. It was insane. It was amazing. It was life changing. And that little book started to pay my bills, started paying my rent, and that allowed me to step back and, and say, okay, what do I want to do next? And. And I didn't want to build another company anymore. But what I, the problem. Next problem wanted to solve was I'd had investors that were great investors and I'd had investors that was really bad investors. And bad investors can make your life hell. You know, they're, there's really. I tell people, like, look, be careful who you take money from. You know, check them out, vet them with other entrepreneurs. You know, everyone will support you when you're doing well, but when you're going down, you want the ones who live and support you when you're going down. Because it's a roller coaster journey in entrepreneurship. Right?

Yeah. And I know you and Roland Frazier are buddies and you're on his show and I heard it's really a human level when it comes to investing, and that's how it seems like you vet almost everyone out, but especially in business. Is that right?

Yeah, I mean, Roland is brilliant, one of the most brilliant human beings I've ever met. I love Roland.

But yeah, so like, you know, I was like, I'm gonna start a fund and it's gonna be run by a former CEO. So like, you know, when I, when I talk to entrepreneurs who are pitching, I'm like, don't pitch me, man, just talk me. See you to CEO. What are you building? What are you doing? I just want to know, you know, why, why do you think you'll pull it off? What's the, what's the challenges? You know, just a conversation and you bet on people.

Yeah.

So I, so I built a fund, a venture fund capital firm. You know, being an entrepreneur, I built my own.

And it's done quite well. And you know, so now I invest in startups and.

Write these books and.

That'S kind of been the journey so far.

Yeah. And you've written quite a bit of books too. I know. Rebirth is one I've read as well, and completely different style book, of course.

Yeah, it's a novel. I went back to some of my other writing training, but, you know, I write, I want to write about human, the human condition, but not just, hey, look at the human condition. But my goal is everything you read of mine. If you read, by the time you're done, you're better. And you know what? That's because I learned that by publishing Love Yourself. Right. Like, so many people have emailed me about how their lives have changed. I've got emails from people told me convert, stop them from committing suicide. You know, like the book has helped me, you know, I read it at tough times, you know, like, like the, I, you know, the expanded version, like it, in writing it, it made me better, you know, because it really made me sit down and figure out what are the things that I've been holding back on and this stuff that I need to be living and doing and sharing. Right.

Do you think, do you think your writing process really derived from a deeper understanding of yourself and then just humans in general?

Well, yeah. Ultimately you write what you know. Yeah, right. Well, actually, like, let me take that back. I'm not a fan of most self help because most self help books I come across are written almost from a place of theory.

Right.

You know, like, we all know, like, hey, yeah, go love yourself. Great. Okay, I will. You know, hey, go. It's like, but how? Tell me how. Look, that's where my entrepreneurship background, startup background comes in. I want practice. I don't want platitudes, I don't want theory, you know, okay, tell me the nature of value. That's great. But show me how to make it practical for me, literally. So what made this book difference? It's actually insanely practical, right?

Yeah.

And that's what I was able to pull off. And that's, I think, what makes it special and makes it spread. And it's also, it's one man's journey, but, but it's a human journey. Right. So it's like if, if I can do it, anyone else can. Because it's the mind is the mind.

You know, we're not far different from each other.

Yeah, everyone's got a monkey inside, you know, so it's just, it's a guiding the monkey, it's taming the monkey, you know?

Yeah.

And I show how I did it using this concept of self love.

That's what's interesting is I've, you know, and this, what's. There's obviously this does not diminish the amazing comments, but I've read the different reviews and there's some YouTube video comments and they're like, oh, it's just so simple. This is the concept. Love yourself. Like, huh. Yes, it is a simple concept, but I feel like a lot of people will just discount it or at least it seems like they do. But it's so much deeper than that. And it's like, okay, are you truly doing it? Are you truly feeling it? Are you doing it on a, on a daily basis, multiple times a day? It just feels like. Do you see maybe sometime. I don't know how to best put it, but maybe some people just need to see a different angle.

Because there's a lot of folks that seem to discount such a simple concept. But we all know it's not super simple at the same time.

Look, man, it's not my job to change everyone.

True.

It's not my job to force someone to read my book. Right. It's the book finds itself to the people who need it. Right. My job is to create the very best damn book I can that really is so practical and so valuable to her. Reads it that, that it'll change them. That's my job. And so now some of these YouTube, some of these comments and reviews are for the original book and some of them are valid because I didn't go deep enough, you know, like so, you know, I do listen to your criticism as well, you know, because you learn from it and, and so. But the fundamental practice and the basics are, you know, are simple. Like the best things in life are simple. The best design is simple, you know, the best. Anything is simple. You know, you, when you simplify is when you get to essence of something, you know, it's. It's like if you complicated, you're hiding, you know, if you're complex, if you see big words, that's fear, you know, you make something simple. So it's understandable and doable by anyone.

You know, that's actually the best thing you can do.

Sure, yeah.

Can you quickly just sort of explain the overarching concept of love yourself like your life depends on it? I mean, the title itself is pretty self explanatory, but can you add a little bit more depth in context of what you go into in the book just so the listeners know the overarching premises of the book before we start diving into and really start dissecting it a little bit?

Sure. The book is divided into three parts. The first part is actually more. Part one is actually more what the original book was, but expanded. So it's basically the job of that is to really show you from my experience how it's so easy and possible how it changed me. Right. And then the second part is literally a manual. It's called a manual. It's a step by step manual. You can actually Use to start actually applying it to yourself right away. And it doesn't take much time of your day. You know, it's part of your regular day. And it will actually start to make that shift within you. And then it goes on to also show, like, how I've used this concept for other things in my life, like childhood stuff and other, you know, other challenges I've had. So it's very, very, very practical. Part three is actually.

I wanted to show, like, look, I'm a human being. I'm not some perfect guy. I'm not some guru who goes around stuff, figured it out. Now I'm floating through clouds every day. This is a human thing. And I wanted to show very practically, look, there's a time in my life when I stopped doing this. I got lazy, right? And I got lazy and lazy and then got hit by challenges of life. And I fell apart again, right. In my own way. And let me show you how I applied it again. But let me show you the inside out, like, how I'm doing in my head, how I'm doing it on the outside. So you can understand the nuances of the journey, because nuances actually where the rubber meets the road. And so you truly understand how it's done, how I've done it. So by the time you're done reading this book, you know, in loving Yourself inside out, you know, it's just. There's no if, ands and buts about it. So it's very carefully crafted in those three sections for that way.

Gotcha. So which parts of the book are the new parts? So the part one is the original book, essentially. And then the other two parts, part.

One is the original book, but expanded.

Gotcha.

Right. There's things in there that needed that. Look, I've Learned more over 7 years.

If you do this stuff, if you go deep into it, you learn more and more. So part one is expanded. The expanded version of the original book. Part two is all new. It's the manual. Part three is the story, which I call the lesson, which actually shows the application of it, how I'm applying it. Yeah.

No, and I love the. I mean, the whole thing is just a full great picture. And what's kind of nice is when going through it, you are training yourself in reading the process of this, because it's like you layer almost different aspects of loving yourself, different practical ways to bring that into your life and almost become a habit, because I think that's the biggest thing of it all. You mentioned coasting. It's pretty easy for humans to coast when things feel nice and cushy. It seems like you really addressed that really well, and you've definitely lived it. We all have in some regard.

How do you. Are there times where you can catch yourself or you've noticed? Maybe you've heard some stories of people coasting?

It's a habit, of course, but coming back into the practice, I guess. Give us a couple ways to keep yourself from coasting, maybe yourself personally.

Look, the concept of coasting, it's like, let's say you decide to go to the gym, right? You just say you decide you want to be in awesome shape. You want to be chiseled, right? You're gonna have to go to the gym basically every day. You're gonna have to eat a certain way every day, right? And let's say you do that for a year and you get chiseled. Feels great, looks great. You know, life's going great, and you get. You start to let yourself go. Okay, I got here. Let yourself go, and that's fine. You can let yourself go here and there. You know, continue to go to the gym, just skip days here and there, whatever. Grab a donut here and there's. But let's say you stop and you just start living in jelly donuts all day. What do you think is going to happen?

Homer Simpson.

Right. So, like, the. And like, the mind is even more plastic than the body. Right? So that's why, you know, I would say this is like, we go to the gym and we train ourselves. You know, we take care of our bodies, but do we train our mind? Do we take the time to actually train our mind which runs the show? Yeah. So that's what this is about. Coasting is a natural human thing. We all get lazy or we all skip gym days. We all do this. But it's a matter of how do you actually consistently make this. One of the things I did in part two was in the manual, show how to make it a consistent, easy, simple practice that becomes part of your daily life. And then the minimums you can do to consider if you do miss days, what is a very minimum you can do while you're falling asleep? You know, like, to that point, you know, what is it maybe you can do when you're, like, doing nothing but breathing for 10 breaths? You know, like little things that you keep on just layering and reinforcing those neural pathways. Yeah.

And you speak of the groove, you know, carving out this groove, you explain it like it's water over a rock. You know, the repetition of doing that over and over, you create this groove and it just goes deeper and deeper. And it sounds like that's like the neural pathways, you're essentially connecting everything together to start thinking with this vibration of love. And it's almost like a second nature becomes of you with that repetition.

Yeah, yeah. And it works?

Yeah.

I mean, it sounds silly, it sounds simple, but you know, hey, try it. You got nothing to lose and you got some great shit to gain.

Yeah.

No. So I'll speak from my own experience. When I read the first edition of the book, There was some practical advice in there. You know, the mantras and the looking in the mirror and a lot of that kind of stuff. There was the actual, there was actionable stuff. And I know the new version has the manual, but from my experience, I read the book and I was really pumped up on it and I was really excited about it. And I say for, you know, maybe a week and a half, every day I was kind of repeating the mantra in the mirror, looking at myself. And then next thing I knew, I was doing it kind of every other day. And then it was like every third day I remember to do it. And then, you know, here we are several months after I read the book, and I'm thinking back to the last time I did it. And I can't even remember the last time I kind of repeated the mantra to myself in the mirror. So I'm kind of curious, what sort of advice do you give to make sure you sort of lock it in as a consistent habit?

Okay. First I'd like to address the word mantra. I don't like that word. I never use that word because mantra is just a vain repetition of something.

So I've gone to great detail in this book to actually explain how to do it. The nuances, and it involves breath, involves feeling, involves the concept of bringing light into yourself. So it becomes an all encompassing thing. So it's way more than a mantra because you're really layering this in with your senses, you're layering this in with your feeling, you're layering this in with your breath. Like when you do that, you know, you're basically using all parts, you know, now that I think about, I've never said this, but you're activating way more parts of your brain and you're gonna have way more neural connections on this. Now, as far as not falling off the wagon, which is why I wrote the manual, step by step process, including like how to write your vow, how to forgive yourself, to start when you start because you got to forgive yourself first. And the process. I do. And it's a very beautiful, simple process. And people email me how it's really changed them by doing that. And then you do this practice and I lay out the practice and exactly step by step, daily how to do it, you know, and then in the part three, you would see how I apply it. Right. And how I apply it when I'm not doing well or how apply when I am doing well. You know, so you get the whole picture of how.

How to actually keep it consistent.

Right.

It's very hard to tell people in a. In a sentence or a brief conversation, hey, you know, just be consistent. Because that just says platitudes. Right. Which is why I took the time I spent about a year working on this version to just. To get it right. Right. So that they have it in front of them, they can access it anytime.

Yeah. And we all have our own ways we could track ourselves. I think you even mentioned a calendar. Putting a calendar in your office or room or wherever it looks good and just putting a big old X. Once you do your 10 breaths multiple times a day, look in the mirror. The meditation. I know you do that. You pair that up with music. And again, since all your senses are kind of combined, you're thinking, not mantra, you're thinking the word, the I love myself and kind of just letting go what doesn't serve through breathing and then audible listening to a song and then ingraining that into your being. Basically.

What you said earlier is forgiving yourself. That's where it starts. And going to me now.

It'S interesting because I totally forgot this part of the book when I first read it. But on New Year's I did a very similar practice where I wrote down everything that doesn't serve me, things that I don't want in my being. And I burnt it. I threw it in bonfire in the backyard on New Year's Eve. And it's interesting, but just that act alone. And I took a picture of it because I wanted to remember actually what I wrote too, just to make sure. Maybe I should just delete that though, and actually let that go too. But it's interesting. There was an immediate lightness. It just felt lighter. Anxiousness went away. I mean, I had some pretty big stuff on there, like my dad passing away from suicide, my baby coming into the world, but bringing in a lot more joy, but of course stress into the life because there's a whole new human that we're caring for now. So can you talk about the forgiveness a bit in your perspective, because it's very powerful.

I think you've done it beautifully.

Nice. Yeah, it's very similar.

Beautifully. Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah. And there's so many versions to it. I know you say you can chuck it into the ocean like a ball of paper. I think you said on Aubrey Marcus podcast, you throw it down at garbage disposal. Whatever it is, man, it's metaphorical.

It's the feeling, it's the intention. Sure. That's what matters.

Yeah. It's wild, man, because I think I even told you that, Matt. I was like, wow, it's been two weeks since I did that. I'm like, I'm not anxious.

I didn't even layer anything else in there. It was just burning what doesn't serve.

And like, you say it starts with forgiveness, and then it's the vow. Vow to ourselves. Can you talk a little bit more about that part? Because I think that's super powerful.

Yeah, it's about like, look, you gotta, you know, to do anything great in life, you got to commit to it, you know, like when you're building a business, you got to commit to it.

Yeah.

You know, you don't do it half ass. You do. You do half ass, you get half ass results, you know? And this one and this thing, if you're gonna go for loving yourself, commit to it. Go all in, you know? And it's not some. It's not gonna be bad for you. So. So that's why, like, I'm a big believer in and committing to things that are good for you on the inside. And so I walk you through how I do mine and how you can do yours and how I apply it. It's very simple, but it's the simple power of commitment to the self. And a vow is a beautiful way to commit to yourself.

Yeah. It's a good reminder. It's something that I'm sure would keep you from falling off the bandwagon, whatever that vow looks like. Even if it's practically. You can put it on your wall. You can put it as your desktop or your computer, your phone, whatever it might be.

Yeah. Or if you felt a wagon, you know, it brings you back. It's basically vision, you know, it's.

Yeah, it's powerful. It's the act of doing it that's powerful as well, that people don't realize. There's something about the act of doing these things, like the act of the forgiveness exercise that you did from the book. There's something powerful in the act of doing it. It's one thing in theory, it's another thing. And when it's done, you feel it.

And there's a lot of us with. This is where I just experienced it a little bit last night. But there's these mental loops and it's past memories that bring stress. The future is mainly anxiety if you're forward looking that way. But I was thinking about my dad, for instance, last night and then just going. I had that kind of feeling like, almost like cringing. But it was that I identified it as, oh, this is a mental loop. This is not serving me in this regard. I got to flip it. This term I've been using for myself throughout my whole experience last few months is flip the coin. There's another side to everything. It's like what you say, light and darkness.

It's figuring out how to. It's difficult in the moment, but yeah. The mental loop thing I think is interesting because we all have these stories, these loops about previous things that we might be internally beating ourselves up over. But it seems like. Go ahead.

No, I was agreeing with you. It's a very human thing, man.

Yeah. And with the groove, it seems like just getting that repetition. The more you just do it, even if you fall off a little bit, I feel like that groove sticks around with you in some regard. It's not going to fill totally up. You know.

That'S what's kind of cool, I guess you can't beat yourself up even over falling off, huh? You're just like, hey, I established this nice repetition. This groove just hop right back into it.

Kind of like a muscle memory thing.

Where it's easier, it comes back easier and faster. You know, you've laid down a very specific path in your brain.

Yeah.

And the more. The reason why I came up with this practice, and it's a practice with like various steps in the book is, you know, you're basically attacking the. Attacking from various angles, but using the same core concepts. So you really layering it in, you're really making it deep so that it's just like it just has to run on its own. That's the whole point of this, you know. Yeah.

And you know, I do the practice every day and you know, like, I have some. I have tough days. I'm human being, you know, I have challenges. And there's times in my life where this practice has saved me and there's times in my life where this practice has just completely made my life zing. You know, it's like. But I'll tell you, man, it sure beats the alternative. That's the alternative. Like with the mind just doing its monkey show, you know.

Well, that's what's wild.

I don't know if you have any insights around this, but it seems like a lot of folks, just at least for myself, you default to more of the darkness or the past or the stressors or the things like I should have done this or why didn't it shape up like this rather than the love initially. Do you have any thoughts around that?

I don't know why. And I remember thinking about this when I was writing the book. As I was trying to figure that out. Then I realized and actually wrote this. I really don't care. What I care about is the solution. It's like I think I even wrote this. I said, if you're on fire, you don't want to. You don't care about the, about the nature of combustion.

You don't need a lecture. The nature of combustion. You want water.

So I just care about what's practical, what works really. I get kind of annoyed getting lost. I mean, I find theory interesting because I like to just figure out what life is about. But eventually it comes down to, okay, how is this going to make my life better? How is this going to make me better? Get me to that. I think that comes from being a builder.

I think that comes from our entrepreneurship mindset. How do I make this practical? How do I make this work?

You're solution based and you're keeping it simple too. You're not focused on the why so much, but more the solution.

Like, okay, yeah, it's like, okay, we're here, what do we do now?

Right?

Yeah, but look, there's also some great theories on why it is that way. Who knows, man? Maybe it's just the nature of the mind, you know, like. But it's something that it's not like our generation is struggling with. It's like every generation has struggled with it. Go back to reading and writing as far as there's been writings there. Right. They all are trying to like figure a life out. Whether it's, you know, first it was with the gods, wanted them to suffer and not suffer and so forth. They were people always been trying to figure this out.

Oh yeah, yeah, Marcus, like, you know, Meditations, that book, I mean, it's all about this. Yeah.

Now I know you address this in the book, but I think it's important to kind of talk about for anybody who isn't familiar yet. But.

You can go and repeat the. I love myself constantly. But what if sort of deep down you don't believe that you love yourself, you're repeating it. But then the actions you do don't reflect it.

That's okay. That's okay. I didn't when I did it. There's times in my life when I do it and look, I keep on telling people it's not just repeating I love myself. You know, that's why like I wrote these penalty to get deeper into this. This. It's, it's layering in all these other senses. It becomes a feeling. It becomes a feeling, it becomes an expression within that layers it empowerfully. Right. More than just repeating it. And, and look at the beginning, you don't believe it. You know, sometimes when are you still. I'm still doing. I'm like this part of me that fights it but, but I've learned by now like what, what is real and what is not. And it's okay if you don't believe it. You're just. It's like the mind's going to rebel. Anything new that challenges what, what it's, you know, the ego is going to challenge anything that challenges it. Right. And all you got, you just keep on just putting in the pathway and, and you know what, the pathway starts running the show. And you do believe it.

Right? Right. I think, I think some of the struggle I've had in the past was, you know, not making it sort of a multi sensory experience. You know, I think I was seeing it as a mantra that I was just repeating in my head and I wasn't going that extra distance to really ingrain it and really sort of embody it with other senses. And I think that's probably why I fell off the wagon.

Yeah, that's. Look, that's one of the things I didn't go into in the original book. You know, it's like I. So hopefully reading the, the new version, you know, people will know that. And I'm finding from the emails and everything I'm getting, they got it like it's like consistently across the board, 100% just like how people are responding to the book.

Yeah. So like.

By the way, just the repetition of the words will work because look, it'll stop the other thoughts. Right? It'll. So it'll train this, your mind to do this other thought. But you know, you're talking difference between you want to be a 40% and you want to be a 90%, you know, and, and the interesting thing about the practice with the different things that layer and you do it and they compound and as we all know, like, compound interest is a powerful concept.

It's the most powerful.

They compound powerfully. So.

Yeah, but I wouldn't beat yourself up over. Over that, man. That works too, you know? That works too. It's just like, there's a way to do it better.

Yeah, I guess it's true.

It's like whatever you do will work. That's your actions. You control your actions. The external, you can't really control, but.

You sure as hell you control your mind. Yeah, that's the irony. Right. It's also a hard thing to control, but you control your mind. And that's something most of us don't realize. And when you start doing it, you're like, oh, my God, then I am actually responsible for my joy as well as my suffering. It's my responsibility.

Yeah, you know, it's.

It's powerful when you realize that because it's also like, shit, I can't blame the external for it.

I can't be a victim anymore. Damn, that was easy.

And that's actually like, you almost want to go back to the old way where you could, Right?

Yeah.

No, that makes sense.

To blame others. It's easier to blame the external. It's easier to be in the politicians, whatever. But you can't blame anyone else for what you're feeling. And inside. Yeah, that is your thing.

Yeah. It's kind of funny because I get anxious a lot, and I oftentimes. It's funny because it's not necessarily external, but I oftentimes blame my brain because I almost think like, I don't have control over it when I fall into these phases where the anxiety just, really, really builds. I've had times where I kind of ball myself up on the couch because I'm just so anxious and I don't even know why. And I start to just go, my brain is stupid. Why is my brain doing this to me? And I can't. I can't quite understand why I'm doing it. And I can't seem to get myself out of that pattern. And it doesn't happen super frequently, but I would say it's something that I struggle with maybe once a month or so where the anxiety just really bubbles up. And in those moments, I don't feel like I have control over my brain. And it's really hard for me to get out of that loop.

That's okay. That's human, you know? That's human. Sometimes, you know, life gets to us. You know, What I would say is, you know, the 10 breaths thing I talk about in the expanded version. Try that next time that happens. Just with 10 breaths here and there. Take a pause. 10 breaths, exactly as I described in the book. It's in the manual. And then maybe a couple minutes later, 10 minutes there, just another 10 breaths. You got to be breathing anyway, right? Just do how I say how to do it and see how that ships you.

Okay, I will definitely do that.

Yeah, that. Actually, that practice, I have been doing a lot lately, the ten breaths and.

Yeah, because it's easy, right? Anyone can do it. You're going to be breathing anyway. Let me. Give me 10 of them and do this, you know, And. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why, you know, as I was writing the manual, I was like, look, I gotta. I gotta put in what I've learned over seven years since I wrote the original to really make it effective to really, like, I don't. I don't want any more questions. I just want, you know. You know what I mean? Like, I. I've seen the questions. I know what people are struggling with. Let me give them the answer so that it's like, this is the soup to nuts, you know? Yeah. And 10 breaths is really powerful.

Yeah. No, I was. You know, use it when I'm driving, you know, working out. I mean. Yeah.

I do it between sets at the gym.

There you go, man.

Right. I'm sitting there. Right. Resting or waiting or waiting for the weights or whatever. Ten breaths.

Yeah. It's an easy way to not get frustrated. It's like, come on, move off the bench.

I got to use that thing.

Yeah. And I think you even use that. I think you mentioned is before you go on stage, go speak, any kind of buildup of an event.

Yeah. It gets you out of your head and gets you. And it grounds you, centers you and brings you into loving. Literally feeling love for yourself. Mm.

Yeah.

You know, which is a great place to go do anything. I was. I was on.

Some of the live news, live news broadcast a couple of weeks ago, and I was really nervous because I've never done live news before, and live news is like, you know, they're interviewing you and you don't have time to chat. Just literally sit down and a couple minutes later, it's done. Yeah, those couple of minutes go by fast, and it's live, and it's like local news or whatever. And. And it was in New York. It was a big station, and I almost canceled. I was so nervous because I didn't want to have talking. I'm not a talking Points guy. So I didn't want to have talking points. I just rattle off. No matter what they ask, I want to be present. For example, like I told you, I wasn't feeling well at the beginning of this, but I was like, okay, I'm going to show up and I'm going to give you what I got, and I hope it's good enough.

It's doing great, man.

Thank you. I hope people listening are getting good stuff out of it. Yeah. And. And I. But I did the 10 breaths there. Like, I was waiting to go on. You know, like, you standing there right by the anchor, and he's talking, and then the. One of the people on the. One of the people by the cameraman said, okay, go. That's what I was doing. You know, rather than sitting there, get nervous, I'd rather stand there and, like, think about what I should say or whatever. You know, this. You start to go on autopilot with this stuff, and you know what? You're just present. You're there, you're feeling good, and then, bam, you go on. That's a good place to go on from.

Oh, my God. Yeah, there's nowhere better. Yeah, I'm sure it shaped up to be a pretty dang good interview, huh? Did you feel good afterwards, at least?

I felt great.

Good. Yeah. I saw your post about that, actually, on Facebook, how you got some advice, talking points, all that stuff, and you're like, I'm just going to be me.

Yeah.

I mean, some people do well with talking points, so that's their thing. My thing is not. I realize, like, I don't want to go with memorized talking points because I was told, like, look, in news, live news, they're going to ask you stuff, but you got to stick to your story and you got to have your talking points no matter what they say. So bring it back to what you want to. Basically what you want to sell. Right. What your agenda is. And in the end, I realized I don't have an agenda. I'm just going to share. Yeah, it's about the book, but I'm just going to go share. Ask me any question.

Your talking point should be the sort of wisdom you've internalized over the years, not something that you sort of memorize to go on a show.

Well, look, honestly, it can come out as. You don't know what's going to come out of your mouth in the moment. Let's be honest. It could be something really stupid and silly. Well, okay, that's me.

I'll laugh at myself.

Then we've learned to do that over the years with this podcast, and we've gotten better at just letting it roll off our shoulders. And it doesn't matter. It's us.

Look, it's real. We all crave what's real. And I think that's another reason why this book does so well, you know, because it's. It's real. I've written from my experience. I share my story, and I share my. My challenges with it, you know, and how to overcome how I've overcome them. You know, I think that's one thing people forget in the world when you're creating something, when you're marketing something, you know, like, everyone's hungry for what is real. We want connection. We want to be seen. We want to be heard. We want what's real. Right. We want to see ourselves in others. We want to.

Yeah. Especially these days, man, because there's so much the opposite of that, so it actually stands out.

Oh, my God. Like, Matt, you've done this well on Facebook. I mean, we both kind of.

Yeah.

And just social media in general is a place where you see a lot of. I mean, maybe it is real sometimes, but I would assume that's the best of most people's lives. That isn't totally the full spectrum. And.

Yeah.

Yeah, most people are sharing their highlights, not their whole life. And we're trying to compare our whole life with their highlight.

Yeah.

And no, you know, it's. You got to get depressed.

Right.

Because everyone's living like a freaking rock star except you.

What's wrong with me? And then it's that. Yeah, it's the disconnect. It's that wide gap that's built over repetition of scrolling through the news feeds and algorithms feeding you more of that stuff. No, no, you got to control that brain.

Yeah. But I think, you know, look, people are. People are smart. You know, people can feel truth versus not. And especially because now there's so much of this stuff out there that's not the truth. They can actually sense it when they get it, you know? So I think that's a great opportunity for anyone building anything, you know, like, speak from when you're sharing it, when you're sharing your product or your service or whatever, you're selling something, if you come at it from a place of truth and sincerity that you believe in, watch your conversion go up and better than anything else you could have done.

Yeah, yeah. It's whatever gets you into this practice. It could be a personal thing, or it could just be like, you Said conversion rate.

From a sales message that you're putting out there. It's like, well, I guarantee if you're starting to love yourself and getting to that, you're softening your ego because that. That rigid ego can lead you in some bad directions or say things that are not quite true.

I'm sure sales, if the business, if that's the intention, cool. But work on yourself first. Doing this kind of stuff.

I hurt you?

Yeah. Hell, no. It's going to feel great.

Now that this is released. I'm sure you're busy just spreading the word. Where do you see yourself headed after this? It sounds like. I mean, I doubt you're done on this journey of even exploring more about loving yourself, but where do you see this going for yourself?

That's a great question. I honestly don't know. I've been asking myself the same, and I honestly don't know.

That's the beauty of life, right? Yeah. Find out.

Yeah. That's awesome. Well, that's. I don't know if you. Do you mind talking about what you went through in October a little bit?

A little bit. Briefly?

One of the reasons I'm not feeling well is because I basically almost died pretty messily in October. Freak. It was a complete freak accident from a surgery I had. And the next day there was a complication and I bled to death and they had to do emergency surgery to save me. And not a fun experience. I wouldn't recommend it.

No.

I'm still recovering from it.

Yeah. The fact that you can push on, I mean, did a lot of the practices, and this is the reason why I brought it up, is a lot of these things. Were you able to use a lot of these?

Oh, God, yeah. That was like. I think that's what kept me going through. It was a really hard, challenging time. The hardest thing I've gone through in my life.

Yeah.

It wasn't easy. I'll be honest. At times, you know, pain can really grind you down.

Did that experience, did it shift any of your perspectives, or did it only kind of solidify the perspectives that you'd already built for yourself?

Solidify, man. In fact.

I've been doing this even deeper, you know, because I didn't want this to leave, like, a lasting, negative effect on me, you know, that was another thing because I know, like, I know I'll recover and I'll come out of it, but I don't want it to be like a negative drag on me either. Right. And it's hard when you're in pain. This pain can really, you know, my heart really goes out to people who live with chronic pain. You know, I understand now what it can do to you.

But because the pain can. Pain can drag you down, then your mind goes down. Right. So, like, I was actually talking to my brother the other day. I was like, yeah, man. I was like, I think these four days of intense pain. And look, I had to work on my mind, you know, because like, otherwise you just kind of like it. Otherwise the mind just goes down. You start getting, you know.

So if anything, it's just shown me the importance of doing this. Like, look, I. This, this stuff is literally life changing, but it's also life improving and sometimes just keeping you afloat. You know, it's a fundamental thing. Loving ourselves is something we all need, we all wired for. You know, that's the irony. We're wired for it as thing that we create the most. And ironically, often it's the thing we give ourselves the least. I've been guilty of it, so I know, you know, I come from there.

Yeah, that's. That's. That's really cool to hear that. And that's kind of brought it up partially because of my father. I've talked about it on this podcast before, but him committing suicide, and that was early October. Had a baby on Halloween at the end of that month. But 100%, he was struggling. And obviously, I don't know exactly what. Never will. But again, there's so many folks out there that whatever the circumstances are, they've just amounted so far where the mind goes, it's just not. Maybe it's a spontaneous. I'm sure everything. Typically those things are spontaneous, but yeah, it's wild, man.

My heart goes out to him and my heart goes out to you.

Thank you.

It's like the human journey. It's so nuanced. And I think that's one of the more. That's why it's important to. It's like, you don't want to start working out when you need it. You want to consistently be working out, so you don't need it. Right. You want to eat healthy so you don't need it. Like, you don't. Because now when you hit £300 and you're diabetic and have heart disease. Right, Right. So you want to be working out consistently. You'll never get there. Same thing here.

Right.

So if you do this, you're less likely to go off the rails. Or if you're there, use this to get off the. You know, to get more. Get in, get Your mind in shape. Look, by the way, this is not an alternative for any kind of therapy or medication or whatever. Right. I'm not a therapist nor do I want to be one. I'm a guy who just, just works on himself and comes from a very interesting. You know, I've lived an interesting life so far and I have a interesting mindset that I work on and I'm just sharing what I've done that's worked for me. And you know, because it's a human thing, it works for other human, but it's not an alternative, it's more than an additive.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Very good point. And I like the analogy you said to working out or any disease that we might have. It's like, oh, now and there's surgery.

You don't want to wait till you're there, right?

Yeah.

You want to be doing, take care of it consistently so you don't get there.

Right? Yeah.

But if you're there, then do it to get out of there.

You all have insurance to prevent loss. You know, this is an insurance policy that you can start paying into now for sure.

Well also your worst case scenario is you'll just walk around feeling good about yourself. Yeah, that's not so bad.

It's pretty good. And it's that ripple effect for the rest of the world that's a good thing, man.

I think, I mean I'm happy with what I've covered.

Yeah, we covered a lot of ground I think.

Come on, you've been amazing, man. And yeah, I can't wait to see what happens from where. I mean I know this book is going to change even more lives than however many before. It's going to be interesting and I'm going to keep a look on all the. Because I love to actually read all these comments and stuff because this is now just me in the thick of kind of what I'm going through. But we all have our own things. It's interesting to see how people apply it actually. Are there any maybe some impactful stories or one that stands out that you've heard from one of your readers that just wowed you, just kind of floored you with.

There's been a bunch man that's been all over like the ones that were stopped them literally in the act of preparing to commit suicide over, you know, always amazing but you know those. It's not like only suicidal people read this book and get something out of anything from a 16 year old girl telling me, you know, got her help her get over bullying. You know, how she was feeling about herself. Like, they're all impactful, man, they're amazing. Yeah, absolutely amazing. You know, sometimes I'll hear from people, I'm like, wow, this is an impressive person. And they're, you know, they'll share me, their struggle. How this book has helped them, it kind of just goes. Reinforces how we're all human beings, you know, we think, you know, the other person's got it figured out, you know, they got it all, but you don't know what's going on inside there.

Yeah, well, this is, I mean, it inspires me as well. Just the fact that this is your own experience and you started off with almost like a micro test with the self publish. Not like you probably had the foresight that you were going to actually publish this on a big legit publisher later on. Because I've always felt through this experience and kind of the light and dark, flip the coin kind of thing, I've. I'm like, I feel like there's a book in me. I just don't know how yet. But I'm starting to just at least put my thoughts down. So I just want to give you props on that. You are inspiring me to do that and put that out into the world. People have actually asked for it already too.

Good.

Yeah, maybe I'll follow up on that.

But in terms of you being.

A writer, what kind of books do you consume? Or maybe a couple that you think are just like these. These are the ones that I love to recommend to the people I love.

You know, I actually like. It's funny, I was thinking about two books today that really impacted me. Very simple fables. One's called the Alchemist and then there's the Little Prince. Two very, very simple, beautiful books with a lot of white life wisdom in them. These are not books on business. These are books. These are just fables that a child can read and an adult can read and both can get something out of it.

Awesome. Yeah, I've read the Alchemist. Amazing one.

Read that one. I haven't read the Little Prince yet. Perfect.

Well, Kamal, where can folks reach out to you? Explore more, of course. Love yourself like your life depends on it. I'm sure it's being sold everywhere. It's on Amazon.

Yeah, it's in bookstores. Amazon, if you want to buy it online. Amazon, Barnes and Noble, all the usual suspects if you want to support local businesses, independent bookstores.

And the audiobook is doing really well. Interesting enough. People really love the audiobook. I read It. That's right.

Yeah. Actually, I just picked it up this morning, actually, I saw that.

And you. Actually, it's doing really, really well. I'm getting a lot of really great emails about that. And then outside of that, my email address is in the book.

So to get you, Kamal, you got to get the book. Do it. That's good.

I mean, like, why would I give you.

No, I hear that. Yeah. That's great.

I love it. I give it to my readers. It's a connection with people who are actually reading my work.

Perfect.

Perfect. It sounds great, man. Well, I appreciate your time and for showing up today, too. I know you're not feeling great, but, hey, this was an amazing time with you.

Thank you. All right, man.

Have a good one.

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