Therapy Sessions - Our Biggest Insights From July

This is an intro. Intro, intro, intro.

Hustle and Float, Shark with your boy, my boy, Matt Wolf.

Joe. Hey, yo. Hi.

Welcome back to the Hustle and Flowchart podcast.

Welcome.

This is one of those recording. We are recording.

We're recording.

Yeah. We're actually not in the same location for this one. We're social distancing for this one day only. Although we haven't social distanced at all for the last like three months from each other. We've socially distanced.

We didn't.

We do not from each other.

That's. Yes, we've been in bubbles and I feel like we're just an extended family and all is well here. But yes, today we are virtual and I think it'll work out fine. More for time constraints because you're about to go on a cool trip to Colorado.

Yep, I'm leaving for Colorado tomorrow to visit some family that lives out there. And you know, we were gonna do some touristy stuff, but I don't know if there's gonna be much touristy stuff to do, so we'll see.

Probably not. But yeah, we, we. What we did started this last month with kind of like a recap of the month. So the month prior to the release of this, this is usually released what, on like a Saturday is what we're planning it towards the beginning of the month. And I think it went over really well. We heard good feedback and.

Selfishly, we just like talking. So this is our chance to talk about our stuff a little bit. Not just an interview format. So it's kind of like a little special episode for people who are subscribers and looking at the feed.

Yeah, I mean, this one, we're not going to have a show notes page for it. We don't have companion notes for it. It's not being released on our normal Tuesday, Thursday schedule. It's just kind of like an extra once a month episode where we're just kind of looking back at the last 30ish days and going, what were our biggest takeaways over 30 days? What were some of the cool things that happened over the 30 days? What are some of the things that we're excited about coming up over the next 30 days and just kind of sort of a state this like, you know, the state of the Union. This is like the state of our business sort of session. And originally like, if you listen to last month when we did it, we're like, let's shoot for 15 or 20 minutes. And I think we went for like an hour seven. So we're going to Try to keep this one a little bit shorter. But we. At least this time we know what we're doing with it. Last time we didn't.

Well, I got to give a shout out to Dean Booty. I love your name. Dean actually is an awesome, awesome gentleman from the uk and, you know, he's. He's a podcaster as well. But he said, yeah, he was one that wrote through, wrote through, wrote in after listening to one of these episodes. And he's like, dude, like, you guys, I just wanted to keep listening. And like, it's just, you know, it's just really cool to hear that. And it's just funny that that was like an hour seven or whatever it was. It was far too long. And he's like, I could have kept listening all day. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So, Dean, thank you.

They kind of remind me of, like, remember, I don't know they still do them or not, but remember when Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose used to do their random episodes and they were just.

Random show.

Yeah, a random show. And they. They would just talk about, like, here's what's going on in our lives. Here's some cool tools. Here's some cool software. Here's a cool book I'm reading. Like, just whatever kind of comes up, comes up. And we're not doing the therapy sessions as much. We do have a therapy session coming up that's we're doing special for our 300th episode. But, you know, this is kind of our sort of replacement for those therapy sessions.

Yeah. Yeah. So we're gonna keep doing this and you know, if. If you like this, if you hate it, if you don't, whatever, it doesn't matter. Right? Yeah. Well, I'd like to hear about it.

But I was gonna say screw you.

Ah, yeah. Right into us. We always like to hear from you. So let's give a shot. Yeah. Info@evergreenprofits.com and give us a shout. So let's get into it because lots of things are happening.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So one of the things we're doing is. So I just mentioned, we're going to do our 300th episode. It's coming up quick. We're going to be recording that in a couple weeks. And one of the ideas we had was kind of doing like an ask us anything sort of thing where you send us your questions. Doesn't matter. Anything about our business, our lives, anything. We're open books. We'll do like a ask us anything episode and we'll Just kind of riff on the questions that come in. So if you have anything you want to hear us talk about on our 300th episode, send it to support infovergreenprofits.com Joe will see those emails, sue will see those emails, and we'll start keeping a little collection of questions and comments that come up. Even if you want to just email us and say what your favorite episode was so far, or email us and say a big takeaway you've got from one of our episodes, anybody who writes in, we'll probably shout you out on that episode and answer your questions and talk a little bit about what you've enjoyed about the show and do some really, really cool stuff for that 300th episode. So send us some emails. We want to hear from you.

That's crazy. 300. I was just actually looking back at our podcast last night. I was just scrolling down like, wow, we've had a lot of shows. And then I saw the hundredth episode, which we recorded out in my deck over here, and we even wrote on the window 100. And I was just like, Holy crap, we're at 300 now. I know we bumped the frequency up twice a week now, but still, I'm like, that's 300. No, it's over well over 300 hours of audio time. Just interview time. And I'm just, like, so damn grateful to talk to that 300 hours. Over 300 hours worth of just really cool people, really. Obviously some of them are just the two of us, but my God, man, just podcasting is so damn cool. And I know we've talked a lot about it, but it's just opened up so many cool things for us. And we'll talk about a lot of those right now, too.

We didn't really make much of a deal about our 200th episode. I think it was an interview where we had Dennis Yu on. If I remember correctly.

We may have said in the intro, hey, it's our 200 episode. We may not even addressed it. I don't know. But I don't know. I think it's kind of cool to address the sort of milestone episodes. And so 300th is the next cool milestone that we're going to talk about. Although it really is technically more than 300, because we're doing these episodes.

But you can ignore that these are bonuses. And we'll be recording that one at the beach. I think that's the plan, at least. Socially distancing at the beach, of course. So we will do that properly. All Right. With a beer in our hands. And.

We'Ll have to figure out how to video that one. That'll be interesting because we're doing videos for. So let's just jump in. All right, so one of the things we're starting to do now is every interview that we do, we have, we flip on the camera. Like, this is kind of a fairly new thing for us. The last, like maybe three to four podcast days, we flipped on the camera and actually interview with video on, which we never used to do.

Which is cool. For multiple reasons. One, we get to repurpose this content. We're actually really starting to put focus on our YouTube channel now. So go check out the hustle and flowchart YouTube channel. As of this recording, I think we've got like 60 subscribers. So we need your help.

Yeah, pop it up.

So the hustle and flowchart YouTube channel, we're actually starting to post video clips from. From these interviews and stuff.

Now you're supposed to say, smash that subscribe button. Smash it. Smash it good. Can't say. I guess click it. I don't know.

Smash the bell too. Right? Because that's the one that gives them notifications.

Get nerdy. I don't know. We're not YouTubers, but it's definitely. Yeah. YouTube is a place that's been like a black hole for us in of this brand at least. So we figured, okay, well, Jacob on our team, who manages all of our podcast processes and distribution all that stuff, it's just a natural evolution. So he's heading that up for us. And yeah, we flip on these cameras. And for a while we thought that that would change the dynamic of the interviews and all that stuff, and I'm sure it did. But at the same time, I don't know, maybe we're just more comfortable with it.

But I think it changed for the better, though. Like, I think it did change the dynamic, but I think it changed for the better because you and I can now get a better feel of our guests reactions to questions.

Right.

Like we might ask a question and the expression on their face, we can tell, like, oh, this is a rabbit hole, that they're pumped to go down, or they're not really into this topic. After they answer this question, this kind of shift into something else, like this sort of body language and stuff like that that we didn't get with video we get now. And I think it actually makes it a smoother interview process. I feel like interviews go by faster too, actually.

They do. Yeah. There was a. Because we Interviewed Steven Kotler last week at the time of this recording. And I just remember he was just had so many expressions, like, he was just bouncing around. He would lean in, like when. When something was super funny and you'd see an expression on his face. And it was just that, like, you would never get that with just audio only. Yeah. And yeah, it was us looking at that, we're like, all right, cool. Like, we got some cool rapport here. Like, we're on a good vein. He's flowing and. But like, yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I think video is working out. So the probably the next evolution is to improve our videoness with or chatting with some buddies. Mars Burden is like the God overlord of online video and just badass, like, switching cameras and stuff. So he's. He's of the Launchman company. They do a ton of live streams for, like, Get Out. They did Rich Jefferson's but like, Tony Robbins type stuff. Like, huge, huge. So got to have him on the show, by the way, too. But yeah, he gave us his setup. So I think that's probably the next evolution is upgrade, maybe multi cam. That's still easy to slice together, but it'll look cool.

Right now, we are recording videos, but we're recording zoom videos, and they're all kind of crappy quality.

With webcam, it's not like it's fancy. We don't have DSLRs and all that stuff around us.

But we'll get. Where we'd like to take the podcast is we'd love to have our own sort of studio with kind of cameras already preset up. So there's like a camera pointed on me, a camera pointed on Joe, a wide shot where you could see both of us, and then, you know, maybe like a TV screen where we can see our guest on the screen. And then ideally, we'll have a lot of guests in person, too. Right now we record at my house. It's kind of awkward to be like, hey, let's go record my podcast. Where's your studio? It's just my office in my house, you know, so we'd like to get that studio that sort of like, middle ground between the two of us. It's like where we could go and do the podcast, but it's also just kind of like pre setup. We just show up and we hit record and the videos go in. The audio's going. It's like it's already ready for us. Right now on podcast days, I have to like, sort of convert my office into a Podcast studio, right. I gotta like, set up all the microphones and, you know, get, get it all decked out. And, you know, we're very aware it's on camera, so I gotta make sure it's clean in my office behind me and, and all that kind of stuff where if we had kind of an office where we just show up, we know who we're recording with, we hit record, and everything's like, ready to go and dialed in. That's going to be sweet. So that's.

Yeah, I noticed you did clean up your office since last time I've been there. You picked up that puzzle off the ground, which I was wondering what the hell is on your ground over there? And it was like, oh, it was a puzzle map. You didn't want to destroy it because it took him forever to make. Did you destroy it?

That was. No, no, I didn't destroy it. I just put it. I moved it to my garage, but that was not there on podcast day.

So you're not as, not as aware.

As you think you are?

Well, it was like two podcast days ago. That's what it was during the Kotler day, I think it was.

Yeah. Well, so this. So like we mentioned earlier, I'm going to Colorado for about eight days, leaving tomorrow morning. But because of that, we actually squeezed three podcast days in this month, and they were all fairly close together. Like, we had a full day of podcasting one day, and then I think we had a week gap, and then we had a full day of podcasting, and then we had the weekend.

Right.

We had like Saturday, Sunday, and then we did another full day of podcasting. And so, like, it was a lot. We did a lot of interviews in, in the month of July.

I mean, that's the thing is it's, it's. It's a drainer at the end of the day. Typically on podcast days, we've talked about it, and if you listen to our intros, we typically batch record our intros too. That's why, like, sometimes at the very end of the day, at the end of the day, which I don't know if that's smart or not, but it's kind of the flow of the day. It just works out that way. But yeah, that's typically. We sound much more tired. I'm usually like, shit, I gotta get home because my wife and baby, it's already 6:00' clock or 6:30 or whatever, and it's like, gotta put her down to bed. But I'm brain dead right now. I just feel like I'm like spent staring at this monitor all day and you have to be on, which is great. I mean it's draining in a good way. But like we've talked about it. It's almost like there's like this hangover effect when kind of like going to a seminar if you're just constantly on your feet talking to a new person like every two minutes and then like really trying to engage in the conversation, which you should be doing. But like imagine that but like three times in a day condensed and then you do it again like only a few days later. Yeah, I'm still kind of have a lack of sleep and hangover feeling, but it's all good.

Luckily we've got like a good two and a half week gap, so like we have a nice little break in the podcasting for a bit.

Yeah, I'm guesting on a few shows while you're gone though, I think so I'm like, that's all good though.

We actually just did an interview on somebody else's show right before we hit record on this show.

So it's a digital marketer.

Digital marketer, yeah.

It was like a little teaser for their traffic and conversion summit and they interviewed us or Bethany did over there. So shout out to Bethany if you're listening. You said you listen to most the episodes, so see if you get this one. Yeah, you rock. And you do ask good questions. As not a podcaster, I think you should be.

You ask a lot better questions than many of the podcasts I've been on.

That is absolutely true. Yeah. I feel like it's totally different though when you're on the other side of the mic, you know, when you're being interviewed. Piece of cake. Like, I love it. I mean, I love both sides, but like that's not the part where you got to be like as on. I guess you got.

Because when you're being interviewed, you're usually talking more than when you're doing the interviewing. But doing the interviewing is so much more mentally exhausting. It's almost like when I'm being interviewed, I'm sort of in automatic mode because it's a lot of the same kinds of questions. Like everybody kind of asks different questions and has their own spin on it. But it's all this sort of similar topics around podcasting, affiliate marketing, traffic. It's like the shit that we've been immersed in for like 13 plus years now is the types of stuff people are asking us on those podcasts. So when we're being interviewed on other People's podcasts. It's almost like our brains, just as Kotler would say, our prefrontal cortex shuts off and we're just kind of like on automatic mode, just like flowing with the conversation where when we're the podcaster, it's sort of our jobs to make sure that we're keeping the conversation going in a particular direction, we're paying attention to what they're saying so that like we can ask follow up questions questions and be the voice of the audience. Plus we have our own sort of selfish questions that we want to make sure we get to at some point. And just like the combination of all of this stuff uses a lot of mental energy. So despite the fact that we're talking less when we're actually interviewing, it's so much more mentally exhausting to be the interviewer than the interviewee. It's weird.

I know our problem. We don't do hippie speedballs before our podcast days.

Hippie speedballs?

Yeah. Gotta listen to the Kotler episode when that goes live to find out what that is. Yeah, it involves some substances, some activities, and, and I've actually not done it yet, but.

Well, I mean, to be fair, I probably have done it and not realize that that's what I was doing.

Yeah, it's more like that. Yeah, it's. That's the combination of all of them in a tightly knit thing. You know, I've done the combination of.

The two substances before. I definitely know that.

But you haven't run, huh? You haven't the precursor.

Well, now that you said that, we should just talk about the hippie.

All right, fine. What's a hippie spitball?

So a hippie Speedball is a 20 minute run. Chug a coffee, smoke a joint. And what that does is it puts you in like an ultra creative flow state. So if you need to be like in a. According to Kotler, again, we haven't actually tested this ourselves really knowingly.

They said it's been done for like a long time. Like a lot of even athletes used to do this. Obviously probably not anymore, but yeah, yeah, it's like the whole idea is to shut down the prefrontal cortex, which is your conscious thinking mind that typically stops you from getting into flow and creativity. And yeah, you do some frickin running that gets your endorphins going. I mean, that's honestly been like my hack lately is not. Not the speedball, but I. Part of it. The running and maybe a little bit of substances, but. But definitely like just the fact of like the act of running, I think we talked about last time, it's like shuts down the mental. You know, this weird ch. The endorphins, man, they feel so good. And then. Yeah. And then you add in the other stuff and I think it's more like. It just like hyper speeds into. All right, now you got some creative stuff to do. Go.

I admittedly have definitely done the weed and coffee combo before. Oh, yeah, definitely done that. I mean, it's a great way to wake up in the morning, but the run.

No, I don't think you do that in the morning.

No, that's not. I don't. I would not be able to function if I smoked weed during the day.

Right.

Yeah. And I do smoke weed at night sometimes because I specifically want to stop functioning like my. My wheels are.

We talked about that. Yeah, yeah. With Ryan Moran, we even talked about that. Like how it's like. Well, not the weed specifically, but just how, like he was saying, like, you know, a whiskey, like whatever it takes, like a glass of whiskey. But he's coming up with supplement lines that help with all this. But specifically, yeah, entrepreneurs. It's tough to shut down the brain, the wheels at night. And I feel like I didn't used to have those problems, but like now it's becoming more so. But I don't. I don't see as a problem. I think it's just because I'm genuinely, like, super excited and there's all these weird connections my brain's making and. But yeah, it's. You gotta give your brain a mental rest somehow though.

Yeah. But if I, If I try to do it during the day where I know I need to get work done, my brain just gets fogged up and I can't focus and I can't get shit done, so I can't do it during the day. But it is, you know, it has kind of become part of my nightly ritual when it gets close to bedtime. All right. This will stop the wheels from spinning for that eight hours or so. I'm trying to get some sleep in.

That's good. Hey, whatever works. All right, so let's. We got a whole list of things. I mean, this, this month, what? July Freaking. Flew by scarily as this year has done so far in 2020. And I feel like the world's just getting crazier by the day in just different ways. I mean, I don't know where this is all gonna head, but I feel like for us personally, like you and I, like. And just mentally business wise, like Shit's popping. It's good. It's. It's like really. I feel like we're. We're finding. We found our. Found our sweet spot, found our groove.

I don't know, it feels like everything's kind of. I got my groove back.

Yeah. This is how in quarantine.

Quarantine.

Quarantine. Groove. No one has to see me groove. All I want. Yeah. So, I mean, let's chat about. There's a whole bunch of stuff that's happening, obviously, in the world outside kind of factors, but there's a lot of internal stuff that we've been doing that I feel like is really helping us out to stay mentally grounded. I know you've done some work with Aaron at mindfix, which I'm curious to hear about that because I haven't heard the whole scoop. And. And by the way, freaking Aaron's just a badass, by the way, so check out that episode. Always got to give her a shout out because she's, like, legit changed how I think. And I'm going to continue to work with her as well. So. Stoked that you had an experience as well, Matt. I just referred someone her way last night because, like. Yeah, you hear these, like, these freaking patterns and you don't have to live with that crap.

Yeah.

So. And then there's other things, like cool partnerships and projects we're working on that we haven't really talked a lot about, but it's like these weird. Not weird. It's just like this weird combination of things are colliding all at once. Like these mentors, these people that we've looked up to for years are like. We're chatting with them every day. It seems like now we're partners with some of them and it's really exciting. So.

Yeah.

Where should we start? Let's talk about your mental stuff. Unless you have something else.

No, we can start there. I always got to remember. Well, I'm going to have to start to remember. This is what I'm writing in the insight section of our newsletter offer. So if you get the EGP letter, at the end of the EGP letter, I always write an insights section of. These are our biggest takeaways from the past 30 days or so. Well, this is how we create that insight session. We talk it out, figure out what our biggest insights were, then, you know, we decided to post it to our RSS feed because why the hell not? So, yeah, I need to. We need to be able to pull some good insights out of this. So I need to remember that. Yeah. So my. And if you're not a subscriber of the EGP letter. Come on, dude, it's. It's 15 bucks a month or 59 bucks a year for the digital version. Like, what are you doing? Come on.

Anyway, and I threw this out there last month and I think, I don't think anyone actually reached. I mean, people that definitely joined, but like, hey, if you're, like, if you feel like that's still too steep to variable. No judgment, man. Just. Or gal. Whoever. Like, right into our support info@evergreenprofits.com and we'll hook you up with some kind of discount. Obviously we have some costs on the, the physical side of stuff, but like, if times are tough and you like, really think like, this is going to help you out, we want to help you. So write in infoevergreenprofits.com and let us know that you want to be a member and we'll work something out with you.

Faux chisel. All right, so that's the pitch. Out of the way.

It's the give. It's the give.

It is a give. Yes, it's a. We want you to consume more of our content and we're okay losing.

Want you to progress.

No, I want you to consume.

Consume.

How about.

Yeah, I want you to learn.

Learn, educate better.

Do something with it. Yeah, information shit without action. So pick something and act on it. I think that's what's. That's the gold here.

So pick something, act on it.

Yes. You sound like that's not.

No, no, I'm agreeing. I'm just. I'm. I'm just in a weird mind state right now.

Oh, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.

Yeah. So I'm on hair. No, I'm.

No, I'm just kidding.

Cocaine.

Oh, it's the synthetic way to flow state. I'm just kidding.

I'm on zero substances other than caffeine.

Way too much caffeine right now probably.

I did have a coffee and this is a sugar free water sweetener with caffeine in it.

I'm on coffee number two right now because of a baby and lack of sleep.

Yeah, that happens.

All right, let's talk about this. Let's get into it. All right.

Yeah. So last month we kind of got to hear about your experience with Aaron at Mindfix. We kind of talked about on our last sort of Insights episode. And by that point you were kind of razzing me for not having my call with her yet. Not Scheduling it.

And so after you gave me the permission to razz you, I did. So I took full advantage of it.

And so after, after we recorded our last one, I think the same day I actually emailed Aaron was like, all right, I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Let's, let's, let's, let's do this thing right. So I had a call with her and we talked about it on the last one. But her main thing is almost all of the tendencies that you have in your life, they stem from these sort of deep seated beliefs that come from your past. And those beliefs are holding you back in ways. And if you can break through those negative belief patterns, then you can sort of clear up the issues. And it is insanely profound how quickly this shit can work. Right?

So that's, that's the key right there. Actually, like talk about that because that doesn't seem real. Like how fast you can actually switch your thinking and like literally in the course of just a conversation in like 5, 10 minutes, you can literally change your action, your thinking patterns.

So I had a call with her on a Wednesday. We had a podcast day on a Thursday. And the thing that she was helping me work through was, was related to the podcast and it was fixed by the Thursday we started doing the podcasts.

I saw the difference because that was the day before we interviewed Steven Kotler. Like, talk about that actually, because, like, I have my own preparation. When there's someone that I feel like I, I don't know, like there's a bigger name coming on the show, they have a lot of work that's been put out there, like books and all that stuff. And then obviously interested in the person. I personally like, have this weird mental thing like I got to over prepare for that person. But I don't do that with everyone. But like with you, I know you have a different thing going on.

Yeah, I mean, when it comes to the podcast, I think I actually stress out if I feel too prepared. Like, because I feel like if I'm too prepared for the podcast, it's going to feel less conversational and more rigid. Right. Like, okay, these are all the topics I want to make sure we touch on. And if I'm trying to stay in that lane, then the podcast I don't think flows as well. Where if I kind of come in going, okay, here's a few, like, main ideas I know we're going to eventually get to. But however the conversation unfolds, that's how it unfolds. If I just kind of come into it that way, then I actually feel a lot better going to the conversations, not being too prepared. So it's sort of a different way to approach it. I don't think either way is better or worse than the other. I mean, you like to go and do a lot more research and have a lot more notes and a lot of things, like, sort of queued up and ready to go. For me, that actually, it sort of freaks me out to have that much stuff ready. But it makes for a good balance on the episode, right? Like, I'll ask questions from the perspective of someone who doesn't really know much about the guest, and you'll ask questions from the perspective of somebody who's done some deep research. So I think it makes for a good dynamic for the show, to be honest. But the thing that I was working through with Aaron was sort of what you were talking about. When there's guests coming on that we kind of put up on a pedestal, we're like, okay, this person is well respected among our peers. And since this person is so well respected among our peers, I feel this need to want to impress them and have that person feel like I'm, I'm smart, right? Like I'm. I'm an equal with them. I'm equally as smart kind of thing. And that was sort of the thing I was working through with Aaron is like, why do I get this feeling of, like, why do I get nervous before podcasts when the guest is someone that I kind of put on a pedestal, like, how do I get over that? And that was what she helped me work through. She helped me work through this sort of belief that I need to come across as smart to everybody I talk to. She helped me work through this belief that.

Maybe some of my questions are stupid and aren't worth asking. She helped me work through the belief that asking a question that maybe the guest doesn't like could create conflict. So those are kind of the things that I was working through with Aaron that after the work we did, we had a 90 minute session and the next day that shit felt completely cleared from my mind. I just felt like I didn't have that anymore. You could put Obama on the call with us tomorrow and I would have felt cool as a cucumber jumping on the call.

That's cool. I mean, that's. So talk about, how did it. Did you feel the change? Did you feel that there was like a, oh, I think differently now, or was it something that was more like a, oh, that's Like, I'm confident in myself. Like, I just have, like, oh, it's cool. It's all good.

It was more retrospect. So, like, after. After talking with Aaron, I. I kind of got off the call going, that. That was cool. That was interesting. I kind of learned some stuff that was in my brain that maybe I didn't really realize was having as big of an impact on me as it actually is, But I don't know if that really worked. I don't really know if it helped me that much. Right. That's kind of how I felt getting off the call. Next day, we had podcast day. I wasn't. I mean, I don't really get anxious before podcast days, but, like, when there is somebody that we like. Kotler. I was sort of nervous about interviewing him. I'm like, I didn't know what to expect with him. And typically, I would have been a little anxious around interviewing someone like Kotler. And when I got on the show, I was just like. I felt like I'd known the guy forever. I was calm. I had no issues asking him questions. I had no issues, you know, talking about controversial topics with him. It was just like, I felt like it all just flowed. And at the end of the podcast day, looking back on that podcast day, I kind of went, holy shit, that worked. It was really, really effective. And so it was kind of like, in retrospect, I realized, dang, that worked. And then it's like a snowball effect right now. My brain goes, okay, that worked. And then we had another podcast day, like, three days later, because we did one on Monday. And on that day, the snowball had still been there from the priority podcast day. I was kind of like, yeah, I'm good at that. My brain was kind of going, I'm good at this stuff now. I don't get those. Those sort of things. And once again, I didn't get them. And it sort of re validated like, okay, this is fixed. And now every subsequent, like, call that I get on or interview that I do or anything like that, I feel slightly more comfortable because, like, each prior interview just sort of justified and verified that, like, that worked.

And it just proved to yourself. Yeah, you just proved to yourself that that's that shit. I'm good enough for it. Like, yeah, yeah, I'm capable of this. Like, it's kind of like, because you were proving to yourself before by your actions that, like, yeah, not asking these questions, like, is okay. You know, like, I'm. I'm kind of. You weren't Telling yourself you're scared to put it out there. But like it was kind of like this internal dialogue. You were proving it to yourself. Like if you weren't asking that question, then like, yeah, I guess that's the way you have to be. But you've completely flipped it. Yeah. Now you prove it in like. Because I, I experienced it too and I, I saw you. Because typically I would be the one. Like you've told me this before and we've even talked about it that like, I'm typically the one that, that is the like, especially like not a tactical type of show. You're not as, as prevalent in the episode in terms of asking questions and stuff. Whereas like with Kotler definitely was one of a, you know, of a mindset. Obviously he's a flow guy. Not a lot. There wasn't like a specific marketing tactic like drill down framework or anything.

But you were in there freaking hot. You were just going after it even. I mean it was cool. I saw the difference in you and I think that's going to make the show better, made like the whole conversation much more colorful.

Now after our last two podcast days, I think we've had this conversation of like, man, I look back on those podcast days and go, I asked everything I wanted to ask. I didn't like hold back on anything. And there was definitely questions in there where.

Prior to working with Aaron, I don't know if I would have asked that question. In my mind I might have been like, oh, they would see this as a dumb question or this is a controversial question or maybe they wouldn't like me asking this or whatever. And the last two podcast days, that just hasn't existed. It's just like whatever pops into my mind, I'm happy to ask the question. And I don't care how much of a pedestal most people put this person on, they're not on a pedestal for me anymore.

That's sick, dude. So I. We're actually going to do a don't have the date yet, but we're actually going to do like a little mini like session with Aaron to our Facebook group and to our community, to the EGP members. We'll get a recording of the video. But so if you're curious and listening to this stuff, keep a. Join our Facebook group for one@flowchart group.com it's free. There's nothing. No, not for sale there. And you will get on our email list by doing that. So make sure to put a good email address so you actually know when this thing's coming up. But I think it'd be cool for folks to see this in action because we're going to bring in one of our customers and friends onto that to basically do this in real time on a surface level kind of belief, but one that almost everyone deals with, which is basically, I'm not good enough or I'm not worthy. That's usually the thing that holds most of us back. And you might think that you've been treating it with self help books and all that stuff, but like, really, it feels like that's more the surface level rather than actually getting to the root like you just did.

Do we already know who she's working with?

Steve dale.

Oh, nice.

Mr. Steve Dale. Yeah, I just don't have a date locked down yet. I gotta figure that out today, actually. So join the group. Be in the email list. You're probably already on there if you're listening to this because this is kind of a special for subscribers show anyway, so. But get in there because in the next like week or two, we're gonna do that. Yeah, and I gotta yell at my wife really quick. Not fair. She's making bacon right now and I smell it and it's. It's freaking. All I can smell right now is bacon in my office and I don't have any.

Fair. Do you not get to eat it when she's done?

I want it now. It's bacon. How do you resist bacon for another like 30 minutes or something? Like, I'm starving.

So it's just not fair because you can smell it. You want to eat it now, but you're still going to get to eat it.

Maybe, I don't know, maybe she only made it for herself. Maybe it's all gone by the time I'm off. Like, we gotta wrap this thing up. I gotta go eat bacon now.

All right, well, we could just top it out.

No, I'm kidding. All I can smell right now is bacon and it's really distracting.

I gotta get Joe to his bacon. Gotta figure it for you.

Thought I'd bring home the bacon. All right.

Heather's just sitting in the other room going, what the fuck is he talking about right now?

Probably she knows I'm on a podcast. So you're probably very confused.

As Matt puts the fan on, because bacon's coming your way too.

No, I want to ask me actually to go pick up lunch and I need to do that at some point. It's already 2 o'. Clock.

We have really interesting eating schedules. All right, so Aaron's awesome. Mind Fix is awesome. You are awesome for doing that because I think that's going to open up a lot of cool stuff. And I think the podcast is just step one. Like, think about all the cool things you're. I've even seen this in calls with like, just the interesting partners that we have now, like I, E J. Abraham, and, you know, partnering up on a project there and doing things with. With other folks, you know, with Roland Frazier Oliver Unicorn Equity, like, we've been talking about, like, I feel like it's going to show up. And I've already seen you show up in different ways on those calls too. So.

Yeah, a lot of that kind of stuff. You know, I think it's. It's partially from Aaron's help, but it's also familiarity. Right. Like a lot of these people. Yeah, we, you know, Jay Abraham, we've worked pretty closely with lately Rich Jeffrey, and we've worked really closely with lately Roland. All these names that were. That you're mentioning. Like, we've built pretty strong relationships. So like, now it's more the familiarity thing of, like, okay, I, you know, I know how to talk to these guys now. But with the podcast, it's almost like we're always coming in cold. Like nine out of ten interviews we do. We don't really know the person that well. I think we do a pretty good job of making it come across like we know our guests really well. But. But to be totally transparent, like, 9 out of 10 times our podcast is the first time we're chatting with these people.

Most of the time. Yeah. And if it's not, it's something that I've usually talked with them before and Matt typically has not. So, like, in your case, you are coming in the coldest out of everyone, typically. And that's all right. It seems to work. It will work. You know, the more. More we go down the rabbit hole. So. Cool. Anything else on that or shall we move on?

I think we kind of covered that there. I mean. Oh, to sort of get to what sort of fixed it. To be honest, it was really sort of like the realizations of why I'm like that. Right. There's events in my past that when I look back at the event and go, well, so for example, I had a. When I, When I worked at the shutter company years and years ago, I had a boss who was a very sort of abusive, like verbally abusive and even he threatened physical violence. Never actually physically hurt me, but threatened it all the time. And he was just like a very, very abusive person. And so when I was working in that job, I always had to walk on eggshells around him, right? Like, I. I used to go to him and, like, ask him a question about, like, hey, should I order more of this part or something? And. And depending on his mood, he could either be like, yeah, we should order more parts, or he could just be in a pissed off mood and tell me to get the fuck out of his office and just flip out on me. Like, I don't have time for this shit. That's your job to figure that out. Right? So you never knew which one you were gonna get from him. You never knew if you were gonna get, like, Friendly Lee or Dickwad Lee, right? And I could say his name. He's dead. But that's a whole other topic for you. Confirmed.

Nobody's listening to this episode going, oh, they shouldn't talk about him that way. Anybody who knows him didn't dick him. Yeah, but he was just. He was an evil person, right? And so, you know, talking to Aaron, she's like, of course you're going to hesitate when talking to people and asking them questions. If it's baked into your brain from past jobs that asking a question could be a potential life or death scenario or could be a potential getting just reamed by your boss by asking an innocent question. And if that got baked into your brain while you were working all that time under that person, don't you think some of that's still lingering when you're trying to do interviews and things like that, and sort of looking at like, why do I operate? Like, this was what was effective? So she was. So she goes on and asked me, like, have you other. Have you experienced any other scenarios where that happens, where you need to walk on eggshells in your line of questioning or you might get blown up on or threatened from physical violence on? And I was like, come to think of it, not really. And so by the end of the session, she kind of helped me feel like the fears are based on one incident, not all incidents. And the reason I'm like, that is based on real illogical reasoning, right? It's illogical to believe that most of my conversations are me walking on eggshells and I could potentially get yelled at. So just because you had that one experience doesn't mean that's just how conversations are. That means that's how that one idiot was. Right?

So you confirmed, like, this is the truth because of that one person. That one scenario obviously was an ongoing thing, but it was really that one Guy.

Yeah, your brain could be a jerk sometimes, right? Your brain can be. Your brain could look at one scenario and the outcome of that one scenario and associate it with all similar scenarios and basically say. Because at this time, the outcome of this, you know, the outcome of this input was this. My brain started to believe that the outcome of every input like that is going to be that which is in a logical way of thinking. But that's just kind of how our brains are wired. They're wired to make those associations of like, this is what happened when that scenario happened. So that's probably how it's going to happen next time that scenario happened, happens. But that's not true. And when you just really. All we're doing when we're working with Aaron is like, finding the reasons we're like that and then helping ourselves realize, okay, that's not how the world and people really work. That's just how that one situation worked. And that's. That was. And, you know, I can go on and on with more and more stories around that kind of thing. Like, I operate like this because of this experience. I operate like this because of this experience. And there's a whole bunch of experiences that Aaron helped me work through to realize that almost all of those scenarios were kind of like isolated outlier events. That's not real, you know?

Yeah, yeah. And then after you look at it in a logical way like that, like you have and like I did with my stuff, you start to look at me like, huh, interesting. Like, now it makes a lot more sense. Like, for some reason it just clicks, you know, really quick. And then I know in my case, like, saying no to more things and, you know, perfectionism and all these other things I work through. It's almost like I see it as a game now to prove myself that I am capable of this new thinking pattern. And. And it's not one of resistance. Like, it just happens. But, like, when I log it down or if I reflect on my day, like, I just actually, you know, I turned down a call later that really was going to conflict with some of the other stuff. Like I wanted to get done today. I'm like, well, the call can be moved. That's not a big deal. Like, I had no problem at first. I'd be like, oh, I'm guilty, but I gotta prove it. I gotta be good. Like, no, actually.

Yeah. So it's actually, it's interesting. I'm making it more like a game for me with the stuff I'm working through. And I think you are too. Having fun with it.

Yeah. But I think that's a good sort of covering of that topic.

Yeah.

So from all of the interviews that we've done, like I said earlier, I think since the last time we recorded one of These, we've done three podcast.

Days, so done a lot.

We've interviewed about nine or 10 people just since we've recorded our last one of these insight sections. So I'm curious if there's any specifics that are, like, really drawing to your mind where, like, oh, I really want to touch on this conversation we had.

I loved the Steven Kotler interview. I felt like we could have kept chatting with him for hours. That's going to be one of my favorites to release just because of just the topic. But also he genuinely, like, we hit it off really well with him and we had a really good time with him, so he was awesome. Will Wills already. I don't know if that was within our three.

We recorded it already, I think, but I don't think we had released it yet.

Okay. So, yeah, Wills was like another one. He's kind of like. Kind of like Stephen Kotler, which ironically, they actually work together because Steven's an advisor in Ojai Energetics with Will. But just those two guys, like, I just in. And even like Ryan Moran, we spoke with him. I feel like these guys think of the world. They think of systems. They think of just by, like, science, like, how you. Your mindset, how you interact with your days. Nick Peterson's another one, too. You know, the filters you put on your days, the bumpers you put on your days, like, it's just a different approach to life. And that's what I'm really kind of nerd. An add on. And that's what I take away from those guys. And there's probably a few. There's a lot of names I'm not even thinking of right now because we've chatted with so many people, but that's. That's like the. The ongoing theme, I would say.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I think we're. We're starting. We're having. So when it comes to the last several podcasts that we've done, I think I really either like to relate with the person. Right. Like with. With Ryan Moran.

Hunch him in the. No, just kidding.

No. When we chatted with, like, Ryan Moran and when we chatted with John Crestani and when we chatted with, like, a handful of our interviews lately, I feel like we've really, like, related well with him. We're Just like, this person is a fun conversation and we get into like a flow state, right? Like the time just flies by and we look at the clock and we're like, damn, that was an hour already on this call. I can talk for another hour. If we didn't to want do batch recording days and we didn't have another interview, we needed to jump on, right? So, like, I really, really, really love those interviews. And then I also love to be fascinated, right? Like, I love to go off at the end of the episode, go, man, he really changed my perspective or she really changed my perspective on like a lot of things based on that episode. Like, that was mind blowing. And Will Clyden, when we talked to him, my mind was fucking blown, right? Like, he was talking about using hemp, which is one of the most sustainable plants on the planet, to field jets and stuff. Like, what the what? Yeah, Talking to Steven Kotler. We were talking to Steven Kotler about, like, future technologies and, you know, launching satellites, orbit and layering and converging technologies. And like, those episodes just like, fascinate me. And I think we're getting to a point where our guests, it's more and more like one of the two. We're either insanely fascinated by the guest or. And sometimes both, right? Or we just like, really, really hit it off with them and we're just like, this is. These are our people. We can talk to this person for hours. And I feel like we've done that a lot lately.

Yeah, yeah, we're finding a good flow with the folks we bring on. And I really wish this could be like a daily podcast because we literally have like, of the people who have reached out to be on our show. And I'm not talking to cold outreach people. If you listen to this show and you're cold outreaching or if you're a press person, like, sorry, if we're ignoring you, like, or. Or if, like. Or we just can't get you on the show. It's like it literally we have A, we're A, we're booked out by like months and B, we have this list of like 50 people. No.

In an airtable that are people that we actually have already said yes, you are going to be on. And they've come through a warm connection, probably through our Dream 100 process or some other way. But those are the people that are going to be on the show. But it's because these are the folks that you're talking about. Like, these are the ones that we're relating to or fascinated in the subject with a person. And that's like my big realization this last month, I would say with the podcast is, yeah, we've been podcasting like a mofo lately. And I look at my calendar, I'm like, crap, another podcast, like, that's a full day. I know I'm not. And I, because I, I kind of know the after state my mind will be in like we talked about. I'm like, man, I'm gonna be drained.

It's so worth it during it, though.

No, it is. And that's what I'm getting to is like. But I had to reframe that because I'm like, but holy shit. Like, think about the, the ability, like just the ability to be in the seats that we are in. I'm not in a seat right now, but. But like, when normally I was like, we get to talk to these people that are doing insane things and they're coming to us for an hour at a time at least. I want to be as much curiosity as possible. Like, I know if I'm going to come into this thing super curious, I'm going to just be locked into the interview. I'm not going to be distracted. I mean, I don't ever have my phone on me during podcast days. But, you know, I'm not going to even think about other shit. Like, like I'm in the zone. And I know that's gonna, you know, curiosity and good question. All that stuff, enthusiasm. It's gonna make the other person feel great. It's gonna make you feel great as a co host. But like the, the, the guest, the listener, everybody's gonna benefit from that. And I know I will as well. Even though I might have a big ass headache after I'm done, I'm sure it's hell gonna like my. It's probably because my brain's freaking swelled and inflamed with all this cool that I just learned that, like, I would not trade that for the world, man. It'.

Yeah, it's like we spend multiple days a month purposely turning the fire hose of information on ourselves.

That's pretty much it. And I feel like our filters are getting better and maybe this is something we can kind of transition to a little bit talking about our business. And some of these things is, I feel like we've built better bumpers. I mean, this is an analogy. This is going to Nick Peterson. That's his kind of terminology. But we know what we're doing as a business and as a duo, you know, like our, we know our roles. We Know our team's roles. We know what we're focused on. We know our projects. Like, so we're not gonna just go, like, shiny object, like, randomly, like, okay, so TikTok's hot. All right, cool. Let's go start a TikTok campaign. You and I, Matt, are gonna get really good at dancing, and let's just make TikTok videos all week, and then we're gonna batch record all like, no, we're not gonna do that.

It's like, it doesn't fit in our thing right now in the future. But Tick Tock's still around. I don't know. It's probably gonna get banned or something, I hear.

Isn't it, like, a Chinese spy tool now or something?

I don't suppose. I don't know. I don't keep up with this crap. But the point being is, like, yeah, there's. Because a lot of people ask us, like, dude, you get fed so much information. How do you not just go, shiny object, shiny object, shiny object? It's like, we used to, and, yeah, I just feel like now we have to. And filter it through and we definitely implement a whole bunch of this stuff. But it doesn't derail us like it did or could have in the past.

I would say we implement this stuff that's already in the vein of what we're doing. So it's like, if somebody comes on and they're Talking about a TikTok strategy to work, we'll nerd out with them on the show. We'll be like, oh, that's cool. And we'll ask them a whole bunch of questions and ask about how to do it and ask, like, you know, what steps to take to do it and that kind of stuff. But we're more doing that for the audience. We're not going and setting up TikTok. But if you're listening and you want to set up TikTok, cool. Now you have an instruction manual to how to do it, right? So that's kind of our thinking with it. Now, if somebody comes on and is like, hey, here's a way to, like, improve your CPMs on your Facebook ads, I'm sitting there taking notes because I'm going to execute that shit. Because we're currently running Facebook ads, right? Or if we have somebody on here who's like, here's how to make sure your YouTube videos are getting seen by more people. We're gonna implement that shit. Because YouTube is one of the rabbit holes we're focused on right now. So, like, we've had to get real good at asking questions, as if we were gonna go do it ourselves, but then compartmentalizing that and only really, like, going and taking action on this stuff that's already in the veins of what we're working on.

Yeah. So I think our filters are growing and, like, hey, bring on the information overload. It's cool, man. It's. We're gonna find some way to connect it if it's relevant. If not, we're gonna share it with everyone, and it's gonna be amazing content. That was one of the big reasons why we started the podcast in the first place, is give it all away for free and get the best information, be super curious and, you know, we can talk to talk with almost everyone we bring on the show enough to get dirty and, like, really ask the right questions, you know, I feel like that's what we're getting. Slow down.

That's something that I had to sort of get over, too, is the feeling that I need to be able to talk the talk. You know, it's like, we can talk the talk with most of our guests that we bring on, but I've always sort of held back because I was afraid, like, oh, I'm not speaking their language now. But now if we don't talk the talk, the guest is going to help us talk the talk. Right. They'll correct us. They'll point us in the right direction. They'll help us be able to better talk the talk.

So that's because we're curious. Like, we're genuinely, like, hold on. That's literally a line I just wrote this article in Podcast magazine about. This is, like, part of. And if you listen to, like, Joe Rogan is, like, a perfect example of this. We study him a lot. And, like, Charisma on Command is an amazing YouTube channel that break down some of his best qualities and a bunch of other people's, too. But, like, it's listening, it's being super curious. It's. It's using, you know, Chris Voss, we've had him on the show hostage negotiator for FBI for a long time. How and what questions are calibrated? Questions that open up the other person and, like, they're not like a poking type of question. Like a why, like, why would you do that? Or why do you. Like, that's like an accusation. Like, you don't want to do that necessarily. You can mix them in. But, like, how and what question? I'll even be like, hey, so I'm curious about this. How would you do blah blah, blah, blah blah, you know, and like that's gonna open up a whole frickin rabbit hole. And like that's the opportunity to learn. So that's what we're doing.

I used to not ask people to define things too. Like they may use like an acronym and they'll use it in the context that makes it seem like we should know what that acronym is, you know, And I used to just kind of go uh huh. And like want to, to feel like I'm talking, to talk with them, you know, but now I'm just kind of like, I don't want to sound dumb, but what does that mean?

You know, that's totally cool. And they're, you know, they don't care. They're like oh no worries, it's blah blah blah.

Yeah, but I also think that's going to be what differentiates us. I think, I think a lot of podcasts out there are. There is a little bit of arrogance and there is a little bit of like, I want this guest to think I'm as smart as them. And with us going, no, we're going into this knowing we're not as smart as them, otherwise why would we have them on? If we were smarter than them on the topic, we'd make a therapy session around it. We wouldn't be interviewing you, you know.

Good point. Very good point. Yeah. Like the stuff we're talking about right now, pretty good reason why we're talking about it because most, there's a lot of podcasters, man, I saw some, one of our guests that was actually on in the past but like basically talking about a lot of structure of different. I'm just like, man, that is not how we approach podcasting. And like there's just a lot of things I just don't feel like. And maybe it helps the majority of folks. I'm like, man, I feel like the more important thing is getting really comfortable with your own voice, owning this and making it your own. Like not doing the comparison game of another podcast out there. Or even like you're wanting to do a YouTube channel, not another YouTube channel. It's like you're your own voice. Be curious and then like talk to talk and just be cool. Like, like you'll make a good show out of it if that's your thing or any piece of content. Like that's, it's the whole like imposter syndrome. It's like it's, it's real, it's always going to be there. But don't let it Stop you.

Yeah, well, you're not going to believe this, but we're approaching an hour already.

I figured because I just looked up and it's 2:30. I'm like, Ah, crap. I think we're hit like two points.

I know we did hit a lot. So a couple real quick things and then we'll talk about what's kind of coming up, up coming out. So I wanted to talk about the, the, a couple companies that we're involved with.

Right.

We just recently had an episode come out with Roland Fraser and Oliver. Small holes around Unicorn Equity, which is a company that we are a partner in. And the, the idea behind that we sort of explained in that episode. In fact, Roland's the best at explaining it. That's why we brought him on for the episode.

Just go listen to that episode.

But essentially we're, we're helping connect software founders and affiliate marketers to promote the software founders. And instead of just a straight like commission deal, affiliates can also get revenue in the company. One of the things that's sort of an evolution of that software that, or that, that platform that we didn't get into on that episode because we recorded it before we actually started development of this piece of it, is that we're also trying to create an affiliate dashboard for affiliates just to make keeping on top of their numbers as an affiliate easier. And I think that piece of the platform is also really, really exciting. And we didn't get to touch on it in that episode because like that was sort of an insight that came. Like we recorded that episode, I don't know, six weeks ago or something. And like maybe a couple days after we recorded that, we started development of this dashboard concept as well, which I think is a really exciting concept.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I really feel like. And you mentioned affiliate marketers. Really like you don't even need to be an affiliate marketer beyond here, just be a promoter of some sort or an influencer. Like it's great for people on YouTube with a channel or Instagrammer, you know, but affiliate marketing is basically it. But yeah, the dashboard thing that's. Did we, should we get into it really quick?

I don't know, I'm debating do we want to, do we want to like open the kimono there or do we want to like open that loop and talk about it as it gets closer?

I think later, because it's still in development. But no, like. So what we're trying to do is basically make it easy for anyone and you know, to get started with affiliate marketing. But Also, if you are an affiliate marketer, this will be an extremely useful tool to not only save you a bunch of time, probably make you more money because you're going to have more visuals and also find other offers that are working really well with these vetted companies that we're bringing in because we have very thick, thick, very, very heavy filters to get on the platform. And it's, you know, when you're working with guys like Oliver and Roland, it's definitely high, high quality stuff and I think it's, it's going to be a good mashup for a lot of folks.

Yeah, yeah. I mean at the end of the day what it's going to do is it's really going to make. We're trying to create a single login where if you're an affiliate marketer, like this is your home base, this is your hub. Right. So we'll get into that in future episodes. Joe's giving me the shh sign with his finger. With his finger.

It's more, it's more because I'm a. Time wise.

We're not gonna, I'm not gonna go deep into it, but yeah, we're gonna make affiliate marketers lives a lot easier.

There you go. Yeah.

So the other software we're involved in which we're not really gonna talk about at all on this episode is Members Pro. We're really, really excited. It's kind of imagine like a teachable thinkific kind of membership platform but with just like insane amounts of additional logic and things that happen when people complete courses and it talks to your autoresponder like ActiveCampaign and can add tags and, and a different, different sort of visual style for the members areas than what you would get with like a teachable and thinkific. They're sort of fairly rigid. But we do have an episode that I don't think is coming out. Definitely not coming out before this one because I think the two that are coming out before this one are the Cutler episode and the. Yeah. So it won't be out yet, but we have an episode coming out probably like within the next week or so where we deep, deep, deep dive into what Members Pro is and what it's going to be capable of. So I'm not going to spend any more time really talking about it yet because we do have a Deep Dive episode that's coming out soon.

Shout out to Chris Benetti. I know you're listening. You always do. He's our partner in that. One of our partners. And yeah, it's Just really cool to be working with someone who gets us. But we, you know, we all jive really well. And since knowing him even further, it's been really cool. We share a passion with music and yelling loud in microphones, in music. Sometimes I'll just leave that there. But yeah, so it's, it's really cool to work with people that are just cool people. But also getting in the software game is something that we've wanted to do for a long, long, long time. And now we just happen to find ourselves with two technology companies, Unicorn Equity and now Members Pro. And the coolest part is that we can really stay in our lane. Like stay in our lane as the promoter, as the content creators, the connectors. Like that's us in a nutshell. That's why this podcast exists, that's why we do affiliate marketing, that's why we do deals with all these cool people. And it's freaking fun. And I think it's, I know it's a win, win for everybody involved because we just stay in our lanes. That's what it should be.

So if you want to get an idea of what we're working on over there, memberspro.com that site's gonna be constantly evolving as new features and new cool stuff rolls out.

But things coming on that, yeah, you.

Can get involved now. You can, you can use the membership platform now over@memberspro.com just be aware there's a lot of cool stuff in the works that's going to be coming out over the next several weeks and months with that platform. So pretty pumped there. And then final thing, let's quickly chat about what our listeners can expect and what's kind of coming out over the next few years.

Who do we have? I don't have the calendar in me front of, but I think you do.

So we have the ones that we've already recorded.

Yeah, let's talk about those ones soon to be released.

Yeah. So by the time this came out, Zachary Babcock will have been released, David Jennings will have been released and Steven Kotler will have been released. The ones that we've recorded already.

That are coming out after this episode, we've got Mark Webster. So he's one of the co founders of Authority Hacker. Really, really cool discussion around content marketing and SEO and built like partnerships that actually work. So some cool.

We really related a lot with him and he is a really cool business model behind the scenes that anyone can essentially model and they even train you on that as well. So cool, cool guy. And you'll like that episode.

Yeah, Nick Peterson, he's coming out that same week. He'll be out on Thursday. That one was really good. He's going to shift your mind around on some things in your business and systematization and backing yourself out and how do you juggle so many different businesses at one time? A lot of, a lot of cool rabbit holes we go down there. The following week after that we have John Crestani and Ryan Moran coming out. That's another week that's going to be a fucking killer week when those two episodes drop in the same week.

So John Crestani is a prolific affiliate marketer and he's doing it with a different route than we do. So. But he teaches people even at ground level of how to, to grow affiliate marketing as a business. And yeah, he's, he's built like the ultimate lifestyle business with what he's doing. So that's cool. And then you have Ryan Moran who's of capitalism.com and owns a bunch of other stuff as well. And he broke down essentially just, I mean we talk all over the place about it. Things like the implications of COVID and like all the things that's done for businesses, systems that are changing quickly. Baseball. We talked about baseball.

We did talk about baseball because he wants to England Indian. So he, you know, we had to touch on that at the time of.

This recording, interestingly enough I looked at our, the standings and Padres are 4 and 1, which is the first time in like 23 years or something I heard true story, which is sad. And then the other one, only like one of three teams in the whole MLB is the freaking Indians. Cleveland Indians are 4 and 1 as well. So I was like, oh, I should send Ryan a little like who's gonna dig that?

Yeah, well, we' to be playing each other this year, that's for sure.

I know. Yeah. But yeah, hopefully the season will complete to the end. Yeah, that's on eggshells too.

No, that, that'll be cool. We also talked with Ryan about, he has a book called 12 Months to 7 Figures and it's kind of like a, he has a three phase process of literally exactly that. Like how if you had 12 months and I think he said if you had $10,000 to invest, how you can turn that $10,000 into a million dollar per year business within 12 months. And he sort of breaks that down into like a three phase process too. So that's pretty cool. So that'll be the following week, the week after that. We've got Chris Bonetti, the episode, we're just talking about where we really dive deep into what Members Pro is. So that'll be coming out around the 25th and then our 300th episode is coming out after that.

I don't know what we're going to talk about, but we'll figure it out soon. It'll probably be like this one, but a recap more of probably the evolution of the last.

Or if we get enough of you actually submitting your questions and submitting your words of praise and your favorite episodes and all that good stuff, we're gonna, you know, if we get enough of that, then we know what we're talking about. We're talking about that stuff. If it comes in trickles, then we're gonna have to find some other interesting things to talk about as well.

Post. Post them in the group like we said@flowchartgroup.com or email us infoevergreenprofits and we'll make sure that you, you are heard.

Yeah. And then these other ones, I'm going to list them off real quick, but these are ones that like, the date that they're going to actually come out isn't finalized yet. Recording dates, finalized release dates, not. We got Jeff Spencer who works with freaking Olympians, Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong.

So he is a total. Got to thank Nick Peterson for an introduction to Dr. Jeff Spencer. And this guy is basically a massive mindset championship. Like he literally coaches elite athletes to champions championships like gold medals, Olympians, was an Olympian himself, is an Olympian.

Guys like Tiger woods and Lance Armstrong should kind of put that in perspective right there.

Just a little guy, Tony, names like that. So yeah, he's going to break down his model with us. He's already broken it down for us and it's really good.

Yeah, we got Taylor Welch coming on. He's from Traffic and Funnels. Real, real fun guy. We read his newsletter every month and.

I relate to their business a lot because they kind of have that similar. Like we take business seriously, we take ourselves not seriously. We have Laura Gale coming on, very prolific writer, teaches people to write books. We have Mika Shanzer. I think that's how the name is said Mika.

I don't know the pronunciation, but they.

Talk about flow states and altered consciousness. So that'll be an interesting one to talk about after having talked about talking to Kotler about similar stuff. We got Tom Sylvester coming on, talking about systems. We got Anthony Trucks coming on, which I'm kind of excited because he's an ex NFL player. X. Not X, but was on American Ninja Warrior, which I love. American Ninja Warrior. My family watches that. So excited to sort of nerd out on some of those topics. We're going to talk business with him, but I am still going to nerd out on some of that stuff with him.

Yeah. And I had a chat with him recently and he's on his game. He's like, he's a kind of a performance coach, you know, peak mine, you know, state kind of guy. But he's very. He's prolific in what he's doing and he's taken off on YouTube and all that stuff. Instagram, you can check him out there if you're kind of getting to know him. Yeah, yeah.

We have Dan Martell coming on, which he. He helps grow SaaS companies, so software companies.

He.

He kind of gets in there, figures out where he can make some tweaks and then really just helps blow up software companies. And then we have Justin Schenck, I think that's how his last name is pronounced, which I think you had a call with him yesterday.

Just yesterday. Yeah. So he has another podcast and I don't remember what it's called. It's Growth to something and it's growth to you in a second.

It's called Justin Deshenk is the host of the top rated podcast, the Growth Now Movement.

Growth Now Movement. Yeah. So we walk in similar paths along with this guy. He's been at podfest and, and spoken there many years and all that stuff. So I think he's going to give you a similar perspective, but different perspective around podcasts and the evolution of how media is changing. And also he's involved with events and he's done a lot of stuff offline, but he's taking that online. There's a lot of business owners kind of in this weird limbo right now, so he's going to be a good one and really break down what he's doing to essentially thrive during these times, but also give you a little insight into the future and content and just how you should kind of position yourself very similar to our thinking. So he'll be a good one to riff with.

Yep. And that's. That's the end of our confirmed guest list. We have some other people we're talking to. I was going to say some names, but I won't. Just in case they don't ever pan out.

Okay, let's leave it there. Any last final words for this episode.

Or let's see, what else. What else do we have going on that maybe we haven't mentioned? We're doing. We're doing a cool project with Jay Abraham that we'll be emailing about a bit.

Yeah.

So that's going to be fun.

Let's leave that there for now. We're doing a lot, but I think let's leave it till next time, man.

Cool.

I think we're, I think we're good. We covered a lot. So appreciate everyone listening this far. And Dean, if you're still here, let me know. Dean Booty.

I figured he's still listening.

Send us a question. Send us a question to read out on our 300th episode so that we can, we can answer it and we have something to talk about.

About. Yeah. Jim, Barry, Nancy, all of you guys should answer, ask questions. Everyone asks questions. Be curious here. So we want to address those in the 300th episode. It's going to be good time. And we'll figure out the video situation on the beach. I don't know how that's going to work.

IPhone Video Most likely, but yeah.

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