♻️ Tools To Get What You Want And Free Your Mind (Featuring Gabby Bernstein)

Our physical pain is a manifestation of our impermissible rage and the impermissible feelings that we have not allowed to come forth. And so she gave me this prescription that was kind of straight out of the Sarno book, but she'd adapted it and she called it Journal Speak. I've renamed it for myself. Rage on the Page and. And I added a little bit to it. But this is this method that she suggested was just so profound for me. And I've been doing it now for probably 67 days. I think it's about now. And it's given me life. So here we go.

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Hey. Hey. Welcome back to our January series where we're kind of flashing back to some of the episodes that had the biggest impact on our lives and our business since we've been doing this podcast. And today we're talking to Gabby Bernstein, the author of Super Attractor and a whole bunch of other amazing books on mindset and personal development. And this was a really, really impactful episode for Joe and I, back when recorded it, but also again now when we're re listening to it, because it's all about how to get over difficult situations, how to get through the hard times. We recorded this right in the center of all the COVID craziness and the Black Lives Matter stuff. And there was so much going on in the world and a lot of anger and a lot of just hard stuff that a lot of people were going through. And Gabby came in with some very simple frameworks to reframe things, to rethink about things, to exercises that you can do through journaling and meditation to help get your mind on a. And even right now with a lot of the stuff that Joe and I are going through in our business, where we're going through this giant pivot of really teaching a lot about the digital marketing, Internet marketing world and pivoting to trying to educate and learn more about Web3 and cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology and that sort of thing. That has been a big mental shift for us. I mean, it hasn't been easy for us to transition into talking about completely different stuff, knowing full well that some of our audience isn't going to come along with us, knowing full well that some of the products that used to make us good money we've turned off because we just don't have the excitement or passion behind them anymore. And it has created a little bit of struggle mentally for us, this transition, although outwardly everybody listening probably thinks it's a very, very smooth, easy transition of us just kind of shifting and talking more about what we like. Well, there is a lot of financial implications. There is a lot of time implications and shifting to being focused on different things every day. And it has been a bit of a rough transition and we're still figuring things out. There is still a lot of uncertainty about the future and what this business is going to look like over the coming months and coming years. Listening back to this episode really, really helped with my mindset a little bit. It really helped me get back on track and remember some of the exercises that I can do to get out of my head, get out of the negativity that might start to cycle up again. Really, really powerful episode back when we recorded it and just as if not more powerful now listening back to it again. So this episode is with Gabby Bernstein. Before we jump over, I do want to remind you of a couple things. Make sure you're following us on Twitter. That's where we're hanging out now. That's where Joe and I spend most of our social media time is Twitter. I'm Matt Rwolfe on Twitter. Joe is oe Fear on Twitter and then our media brand is Hardfork Media on Twitter. So if you're not following us on Twitter, definitely follow us there. Also, we did take notes on this episode back when we recorded it. We have a full Cliff's notes, everything we talked about broken down in the notes. You can get those notes for free by being a of our discord. Just go to hustleandflowchart.com discord jump into our discord and we are making the notes for all of these re release episodes available inside of the downloads channel inside of the private Hustle and Flowchart discord. So that is hustle and flowchart.com discord all right, let's go get our minds rocked by Gabby Bernstein.

Gabby, we are live. How you doing?

I'm doing good, guys. I'm doing good.

Yeah, we're all doing the best we can right now in these interesting times.

Strangely I'm doing pretty good though. I feel pretty good.

Same. Well, maybe that's from. I think Matt and I recently finished your book so that probably helps a little.

I hope so.

Pretty damn solid methods in there and we were just kind of. Matt and I have actually been nerding out on a lot of what you've been talking about for a while. All the different the choose again method and all actually is probably the favorite of ours just because it's so freaking easy to use for pretty much any scenario. But that's jumping into it. Let's talk about you a little bit because I want to make sure our audience totally understands who you are, your background, where you came from. Even though they should know they will pretty soon give us a little scoop on kind of. You've done a lot in business and a lot in the spiritual world. And just actually originally it was my wife that introduced me to you because of infertility and all that. My wife went through the same exact thing are very similar. So that turned into Diving into Universe has yous Back. Shared it with Matt and he's like holy moly. This is interesting and different because you weren't always reading that kind of stuff. So let's get into, you know, take us back in time a little bit and then we'll kind of take it from there.

Sure. I've been a spiritual teacher for 15 years. In that time I have really had a very devotional personal growth practice. And it started when I was 25 and I got clean and sober. So at 25 I kind of hit a big bottom. I had been really starting my career and my life path on the wrong foot. Looking for my happiness and my well being and my. And my sense of self worth outside of myself which was a real big search and it landed in a bad cocaine addiction and alcoholism. But. But thankfully I was able to get myself sober and in my sobriety I started to reclaim a lot of my spiritual beliefs and the spiritual foundation and I've got very grounded in my faith and my understanding of what a spiritual connection meant to me. And then I began giving talks and coaching and writing blogs and soon writing books and built a not just a career but a mission driven life around the pursuit of helping other people crack open to a spiritual connection of their own understanding. And in that pursuit I have had the privilege of publishing now eight books and becoming a voice to help people. Really a rock and tour. I just tell lots of stories about how to lean into love and the ways out of our fear based programming. And that's what I've been doing for the past 15 years and I will continue to do for the rest of my life. And it's just a privilege to be able to do this work.

Yeah, no, it's interesting and a couple things just stood out to me. Well, the fear based. I mean I think that's just. Would you say that's kind of like a natural default that A lot of us have, with some programming from the past and probably not aware of it.

Yeah, fear really runs our lives. We every. Every choice we make, every experience we have is based on fearful experiences from our history that have defined who we are today. Now, does that mean that every corner of our life is backed with fear? No, not necessarily. But the areas where we have experienced energetic disturbances or the inciting incidents that create a belief system that make us feel unlovable, unworthy, not good enough. And those belief systems are very ingrained in our psyche and in our subconscious as well. And without having any awareness of those belief systems, we are pretty much living trigger to trigger and just finding different coping mechanisms to manage that uncomfortable experience, to manage that discomfort, to manage those belief systems. And ultimately, when those coping mechanisms are taken away from us, we're left with having to deal with them. That's kind of where we may be at today, given the, you know, the coronavirus and being at home and sort of stuck without some of our typical coping mechanisms. Many of us right now are faced with, whoa, I gotta look at my stuff. I gotta look at myself now. Wow, I didn't want to end up to do that.

Yeah, no, it's good point, because I feel like. I heard. I was watching Eric Thomas, you know, ET on YouTube, and I like some of the stuff he puts out there, and he was saying that Covid, specifically in this lockdown is almost like it's forcing all of us to do the work that we've been ignoring or we might have just not examined. And I know that's true for myself, and it sounds like that's what you're saying here with the fears, like these things that we might have just passively or pushed away and not just like, come on. But now we're like, okay, shit, we got some stuff to examine and all's not right, you know, and it's a good. It's a good time to do that.

Well, I think we're left. We're left having to face ourselves, and we're left when. When. When things feel out of control, people get really triggered and activated, and old, Old patterns and addictive patterns and behaviors might start to show back up, and panic disorders and anxiety and a lot of the feelings that are the unhealed parts of ourselves that I like to refer to as the. The disowned parts of our shadow that we haven't had the willingness to face now are being planted in our face. So we have two choices. We can numb out further through the, you know, through Drinking or through TV or gaming or whatever, the ways that we can numb out or we can go there. My hope is that more and more people choose to go there when I say go there. Get into the inquiry, get into the exploration, maybe open a self help book, maybe get on a call with a therapist, maybe join a support group, maybe listen to a podcast like this. Do something to, to explore the deeper parts of your psyche that may need to be developed at this time. Particularly in order to feel safe, in order to feel secure, in order to feel grounded and have a sustainable experience right now.

Yeah, no, it's true. I mean because you mentioned programming, we're walking around with these things that are passed on from not only you, society around us, but from folks, you know, our generations before us, you know, our lineage and how would you guide folks right now? And you know, these are business folks, but we're all people. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, right? How would you start to identify those things and then start to course correct if possible?

Well, I think the first step is to really recognize and identify the ways that we may be stuck in those belief systems that are holding us back. So we all have a story, we all have different fear based stories that are really funky, right? So there may be that story of financial insecurity or maybe there's a story of a body image condition or maybe there's a story of I'm incomplete without a partner. And when we start to pay attention to the stories that keep showing up and kind of blowing up in our face, that's when we start to really have a greater awareness of what needs to be healed. And the first step to healing a behavioral pattern or a thought pattern is to witness, witness it and to look at it and to notice it and to identify how it makes you feel and the ways that it's, that it's, you know, creating disturbances energetically for you. So the first step being to identify and witness what it is that is the belief systems and the thought systems that are keeping us stuck in those patterns. And the next step is to really begin to allow yourself to let yourself off the hook and forgive yourself for having those thoughts. And I've just jumped into this method that I call the choose again method that you both have said that you admire. So I'm going to give it back to you. So step one was witness the thought, notice the negative fear based thought. How does it make me feel? What is this thought that I have on repeat and how does it make me feel? The Second step is to forgive yourself for having the thought. So when we forgive ourselves for having these thoughts, what happens is that we no longer believe that we are the thought. We see ourselves as when we have a thought that's on repeat, it becomes a belief system. But when we forgive ourselves for having the thought, we start to see, oh wait, that's not, I am not that thought. It's just a thought that keeps thinking, but it's not who I am. And sometimes you will be like, I can't forgive myself for having that thought. But maybe they can forgive the thought. Maybe they can just look at the thought and say, forgive that thought. So that dismantles the attachment that we have to that perception of who we think we are. And the third step is the most fun step, which is to reach for the next best feeling thought. This is the step where we choose again where we reach for the better thought. So if the thought we keep thinking is, you know, I'm so financially insecure, I'll never have money again, I'm terrified. We forgive ourselves for having the thought. Then we begin to reach for the next best feeling thought. Well, I have some space right now because I'm on unemployment and I have, in this space I can start to discover new ways to have creative possibilities for earning. And I do have, have a lot of relationships in my field and I can reach out to those relationships to see if there's some part time work. And this clear head may give me the opportunity to do more purpose driven work at this time. You see where I'm going. You just start to reach for the thoughts that you believe in and you reach and reach and reach until the point where you get yourself out of the negative momentum of the fearful thought and back into a positive flow with a more, more energized way of perceiving the situation. Now I'm not suggesting that you take a difficult situation and pretend like it's, it's gone. What I am suggesting is that you lean into the ways that you can perceive it differently.

Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And it's almost like you're coming at it. You're addressing an emotional thing with a very logical standpoint. And it seems like that is enough. If you can kind of separate those, it might allow that. Abraham Hicks I know calls it forking. When you start, keep going, going, going with the positive, like what you were just doing, you kind of get on a roll because it just flows and it's interesting because it feels fucking good. Once you get in that zone, it does feel good.

And so much of my book, Super Attractor is based on the principles of Abraham and the idea that what we give attention to, we create more of. And so when we really are proactive with the ways that we're thinking and proactive with our conscious contact with a spiritual connection, with a better feeling vibration, we begin to change the course of our life. And that doesn't mean. And some of my belief systems differ from Abraham in that I do believe in going into some of the difficult things. And that's step one of the Choose Again method. Look at it, notice it. How does it make me feel? And I also do believe in deep, deep subconscious work. So I think that every teacher may have their own way of perceiving different ways of using different methods that will get to the same result ultimately, which is peace. And. And so, you know, I love the practices of the law of Attraction, and I also love deep, you know, therapeutic trauma healing practices that might be quite the opposite of the law of Attraction, but I believe that they do have a single pointed intention and that they have. They're in the pursuit of the same goal.

Right. Yeah. No, it's totally true. Like, how would you say to. For folks who might struggle that. To maybe detach from them themselves a little bit with the logical. Questioning our analysis, Because I know journaling is a huge piece for both Matt and I, of course, meditation and just kind of thinking with yourself. Are there ways that you would help folks kind of almost detach a little bit from a potential spiral? Because a lot of folks just kind of can't get out of it.

I've been doing. You said journaling, and I'm going to give you guys something very cool. So I've been doing this thing. I did an interview about a month and a half ago with a girlfriend of mine named Nicole Sa, and she teaches a lot of the John Sarno, Dr. John Sarno's work. And he wrote the book Healing Back Pain and the Mind Body Prescription. And all of his work is based on the fact that our physical pain is a manifestation of our impermissible rage and the impermissible feelings that we have not allowed to come forth. And so she gave me this prescription that was kind of straight out of the Sarno book, but she'd adapted it and she called it Journal Speak. I've renamed it for myself. Rage on the Page. I like it and I added a little bit. Bit to it. But this. This method that she suggested was just so profound for me. And I've been Doing it now for probably 67 days. I think it's about now. And it's given me life. So here we go. You journal for 20 minutes about the rage and then you meditate for 20 minutes. So the journaling is just getting everything onto the page. And that's why I call it Rage on the Page and she calls it journal speak. I think she, she has a more elegant way of referring to it.

You just cut right to it.

Rage on the page is more my style. So. So I rage on the page for 20 minutes and I just get everything out. Like, even if I don't think I have rage that day, I always do. And so you just get into it and whatever it might be, like, you know, why did I eat that thing this morning? Or that, you know, that asshole on Instagram or whatever it is that needs to get out. And usually that asshole on Instagram represents your high school teacher, whatever it is, and you'll get to it after the 20 minutes, okay? And you just get it out, get it out, get it out. And then you do a meditation for 20 minutes. Now what I also do is I put on bilateral music and this is the part that I added. So I'll listen to the binaural beats, right? So there you can just go on my Spotify and you can look for my Rage on the Page playlist. You can put it in your show notes if you want. And there's this binaural music. And what happens when you listen to the. I practice a therapeutic method called emdr. And this music is just similar. It is emdr. It's stimulating two different. Each side of the brain. And so when you start to stimulate the, the, the, the bilateral brain functioning, what happens is, is it allows the resource part of your brain to begin to access some of the information that was so stored, hidden and, and in many ways dissociated from. So, and not only access, but process. And it, and it allows your, your brain to unpack what has been hidden. So I have been doing that. I listen to the music while I'm writing and I listen to it while I'm meditating. And for me, man, let me tell you something, I was having some sleep issues. Now I'm sleeping 10 hours.

Whoa.

I go to bed at nine and I wake up at like six. So, you know, whatever, I gotta get.

In my routine, dammit.

Nine is not most people's vibe. But I just get tired at that time and I take advantage. And I've had sleep issues in the past because I struggled with postpartum depression, which led to insomnia. And so I really didn't think I would be able to get back to sleeping properly. And I had so much fear and PTSD around it. And one of the big parts of my healing was this rage on the page. To really heal, among many other things, hypnosis and EMDR and, you know, things I did to really just. Just. Just heal the. The trauma of that experience. But this rage on the page, I. I can't. I can't. I can't emphasize enough how effective it is. And. And Nicole Sacks is. It's her. It's her process, and it's. And she calls it journal speak.

I love that. I have a question. Going back a minute ago, you mentioned actual physical pain. And I notice a lot of times when I'm in sort of a not great mental state, and I want to get myself out of the mental state. A lot of times I'm in physical pain. I get neck pain a lot. And I'll be in physical pain, and I'll try to redirect my thoughts towards positive thoughts. But then the pain in my neck starts to kick in. How do I sort of get out of that cycle of kind of noticing the pain and then just kind of getting back in my shit, so to speak?

So the pain is there. So this is the base of what I'm about to share, is based on the work of Dr. John Sarno. It's profound work, and neck and back and gastrointestinal issues. And a lot of the common physical conditions that we are plagued with, what we would refer to often as chronic pain, according to Dr. Sarno, is, as I said, impermissible rage. He calls it tension meiosis syndrome. Tms. I believe that's exactly how he says. Yeah, tms. And the concept is that you don't have neck pain. You have tms, which is rage, anger. And it's not just about the moment. It's about the underlying feelings that you have not fully expressed. Now in the moment, those feelings are being triggered. Right? And so what the brain is doing is saying, you know, that's too much. I don't want to deal with that subconscious, that unconscious rage, right? That's too much for me. I'm going to put it onto my neck so I don't have to deal with it. Okay, and here we go. Chronic pain, okay? Now, it also literally is creating inflammation in the body because the brain, in those moments, stops sending oxygen to those parts of your body. So there is actually an inflammatory response. It's not like this is just, you know, you know, a mental condition. There's a physical painful thing happening because the brain is no longer sending oxygen to that area. So the first thing you can do is notice. Just like I said before, you notice, oh, my neck's out. Okay, my neck's out. But that's not because I have a neck problem. That's my, that, that's my, my impermissible rage. That's my impermissible fear. That's my. Just call it TMS whatever you want to. You know, if you do the Sarno work, you'll start saying, there's my TMS again. And you, you, you call it out. You talk, you literally notice it. Then you would talk to your brain and you'd say, brain, send oxygen back to my neck. Okay? And then in the moment, you'll start to know. You probably likely will start to notice a lot of relief just from that. But what the longer term goal is is to do something like Rage on the Page, which is another Sarno, which is a Sarno technique that Nicole adapted. And then I've adapted further. But that Rage on the Page technique is, you know, the bigger work is about really clearing and healing that energetic disturbance, whether it's through emotional freedom technique or EMDR, or Rage on the Page or therapy, whatever it is that you do to really get to the root caus cause condition of why you are so triggered in the first place. Because some, you know, something that, that activates your neck pain wouldn't activate your, your friend's neck pain the same way it would for you. Because we all have different reasons for being activated. And so, and, and, and then the different places that we send it. So, you know, you'll notice the patterns as well. You'll notice, and I'm sure you do already. You'll notice. Oh, wait, my, my neck is hurting right now. Oh, what have I been doing? I've been thinking about, you know, what have I not been thinking about? What have I been avoiding? What's up? For me, if you start doing rage on the page regularly, that neck pain might not even come back.

And you do a lot of journaling, so with your focus.

Yeah, but I've never, I've never done a lot of the journaling from the rage perspective. It's almost more like observational journaling. I'm just sort of journaling about what's going on in the world around me, but not from like that rage perspective. But maybe I just, I don't have, I haven't given myself that outlet for the Rage. Like, I haven't allowed that to come out. And maybe that's some stuff I should start journaling on.

Well, it's definitely. I would think that's the hard stuff to get out. It's almost like we naturally want to ignore the rage and the fear. And again, we're kind of like, right in the middle of it all, you know, like, we're forced to look at it in a lot of cases. And it's like, freedom. Because, I mean, Gabby, you'd probably say is like, you know, it seems like a lot of us just want to ignore that stuff. And, you know, when we put it on a page, like, the rage on the page, a lot of us won't make time for that specifically. It's on the page, and it's like, okay, well, it's now kind of. It's not disassociated completely, but it just feels different. And I've never been totally focused on rage on the page, but definitely, if I'm in a shitty mind space, throw it on paper and just kind of stream a thought. Whole different outcome comes from that. And I was just thinking some of the notes here. It's the whole, let's let the universe kind of allow things to come in, or whatever you want to call it, folks listening, that you connect with. But it's like you almost relax a little bit more. At least for me, after doing that. It just releases this tension back to.

The neck thing 100%. And that's why the meditation part is so important, because you want to be in a meditation after you've had that experience of just that cathartic experience of raging or releasing or whatever might come through. And then in the meditation, it's very restorative. So if you're listening to that binaural music or bilateral. Bilateral music, it will just start to balance you. It will start to give you a lot of peace. And sometimes you might even just go into such a state that you feel like you're sleeping, but you're not. And even if you're really activated, you could lie down and place your palms facing upward and just let the relaxation response take over, which will also help your physical body as well. So that brings us to meditation, which is probably the most important thing that we could be doing right now is developing a very devoted meditation practice of our own. Something that we can rely on.

Yeah. Can you. So, like, what's for folks? A lot of folks, we've talked about meditation slightly on here. Matt and I both have our own types of practices. But what's one that you would suggest, folks who maybe just don't have a habitual practice of meditation, what would you guide them to?

Just really, I mean, the simplest way to begin a meditation practice is just to become conscious of your breath. And really right now what we need most is breathing into our feelings as well, because so many people are running from their feelings. So if you began a meditative practice where you just allowed yourself to breathe into your heart and breathe into your body, wherever you may hold that tension, or whether you, wherever you may be holding on to emotional pain, just breathing into that space, and then hold for a moment, hold the feeling, hold the breath, and on the exhale, release it fully and completely. And then give yourself another moment or two to hold and breathe it in again deeply and feel everything that comes up with it. And then hold it for two seconds and release it again and hold it for two. I mean, just something as simple as connecting to your breath through and to your feelings through a contemplative practice is transformational. Just that alone. I mean, I could teach you, sit here and teach you 45 different meditations today, but that, that would be the best place to start.

Yeah, no, that's good. And I know in the book Super Attractor, you have tons of meditations in there and like really in depth ones too.

And when you're doing your meditation immediately after doing your sort of 20 minute rage on the page, are you thinking about what you were just raging about or are you just trying to shut all of that out now? And this is the point where it's like, okay, I've unloaded that now. Let's just. It's out of my system. Just focus on the breath now.

You know, I believe that when you meditate, you never want to try to shut it out. I think you let it come and then you return to your breath. Or if you use a mantra when you meditate, you can let that come and then you can return to your mantra. It's about letting the feelings and thoughts come and go. But the moment that we start to shut them out, using your words, which was really effective. Thank you. Shutting them out. Actually, resistance creates persistence, right? So if we start to resist, we have more of what we're resisting. So the intention here is to let it be, let it come, let it go, let it come, let it go. Return to the breath, return to the mantra, Go off into a negative story, return to the mantra. It's just a different relationship to our emotions and our negative thoughts.

It's less shaming of ourselves. And it's less resistant, really, Is the word resistant, I think.

I don't remember if it was Naval Ravikant, but I was listening to somebody on a podcast, and when he was describing meditation, he. He sort of described it as not trying to completely shut up your brain, so nothing is coming through it. It's more noticing what's going on in your brain. And meditation is the process of noticing that these things are entering. And then once you realize they're entering, just kind of acknowledge them. Try to push them to the side or. I don't remember the exact wording, so don't think that this is exactly what Naval said, but it's more a process of noticing your thoughts and sort of being aware of them than it is trying to. You shut out all of your thoughts completely.

Yeah. Words like shut or push or control, like we. We. We then are just sort of back in that energetic place of. Of trying to control our situations and our circumstances. And the gift of meditation is that whatever thoughts do come through is okay. So sometimes you might have meditations where you have no thoughts at all, and you're so connected and you feel so deeply relaxed and zenned out. And then there's other meditations where you might notice your thoughts coming and going and coming and kind of haunting you, and that's okay, too. That's what. In Transcendental Meditation, that's what they would refer an active meditation. And tm. Transcendental Meditation, you use a mantra. And so if you. If you detour into those negative thoughts, you just return to the mantra. And if you have a lot of thoughts in a meditation, that's okay. It's just an active meditation. There's a lot up for you that day. There's stuff that needs to be resolved. Let it come, Let it go. Return to the mantra, Return to your breath, whatever it might be.

Yeah, because I've definitely dealt with that and, you know, loosening the grip, like when I was reading that in the book, forget the exact chapter that it just kind of hit, I was like, man, because I know I'll cling tight to a lot of random things, but the practice, and I think it's consistent practice, like you said you were at day 62 or something like that, on the rage on the page and all that. Yeah, I did a journaling practice starting at the beginning of the year, and I think I got a specific practice about three months in. I was like, holy crap, this is profound. And I just started letting go of a lot of the baggage and Crap that I was just holding onto. And a lot of that, that shows up in business too. If it's personal life, you know, the folks in business right now listening, it seems like a lot of this can probably resolve, you know, some weird, like you said, money issue or something. Maybe there's a team issue with, with the people that work with you or whoever. Typically, it sounds like it's. It's some underlying personal thing you might have going on.

Yeah. You know, when the, when the coronavirus, when the COVID stuff started to really hit, you know, everyone was activated. Like everybody, everybody, everybody. Doesn't matter how spiritual or aligned or perfectly medit you are activated. Okay. And so I started freaking out on my team and like, you know, like all hell was breaking loose. And. And then I was on the phone with my therapist. My therapist is like, you know, I don't think little 10 year old Gabby should be running the business.

I was like, yes, 10 year old Gabby probably should get out of my business.

So is that when like the rage on the page kind of kicked off.

For you or that's when the rage really kicked into high gear? Let me tell you, I went full speed ahead. It's been about. It was at that time that I began that practice and I think, Nicole, every day it was so grateful. I'm so grateful. It's just been really supporting me.

Yeah, no, it's. It sounds amazing. And it's perfect for probably everyone listening right now. It's like, come on, man, we're under this weird. And obviously now there's even, you know, the social movements happening right now. There's just pressure everywhere. And it doesn't matter who you are, you're in it or location. It doesn't matter either. For business now we have this team and we have this mission. You're mission driven. A lot of us are. That's going to affect that potentially. So it's really this simple. I don't want to call it simple because it can be difficult to start this thing like rage on the page. So damn profound, it seems like.

I don't think that these things are profound, but they're simple. And that's the thing about having a career where I have this opportunity to share prescriptive methods because I've lived them, I've practiced them, I've made them my own and then I've simplified them because I know that people don't want to work. They don't want to, they don't want to. And frankly, you know, the freedom and the happiness and the Joy I have has been the reflection of a tremendous amount of inner growth work. But it's because I've allowed myself to enjoy the process even when it's very difficult. So when we start to reframe same spiritual practice or personal growth practice as our pathway to freedom, but not something that's going to be so difficult and so much work. That's when we start to see the simplicity of so much of it.

I want to go back to a couple of things you mentioned way at the beginning of this thing. Spiritual connection. I know a lot of folks will. For a long time I wasn't connected to. It was so weird. I was just telling Matt the word God.

It turned me off for some reason. I had no reason. I know nothing against but I just didn't feel attached. And then universe feels a lot more alike. But love connection. How would you suggest someone who feels like they might be disconnected and not feel like they have this kind of greater thing out there? How would you allow them to find that? And how did you too? Because I mean you were going through a lot, you know, and you're 25. Like you said, like is there a way that you guide people to find a connection that just feels right to them?

Yeah. Every single one of my books is about teaching people to crack open to the awareness of a spiritual connection of their own. So while I tell stories and give methods that have been applied in my own life and I share my own God concept or concept of what it means to have a higher power, the universe, whatever you choose to call it. I don't and I don't expect my reader or my audience member to have the same faith as me. Many people come to my work. It's totally non denominational work. So people can come to my work from different religions or different spiritual practices or paths. And so it's really just about. I always say I don't care what you call it, I just care that you call upon it. And so that when we decide and in my book I think it's universe or maybe it's super Attractor. I can't remember in one of them the in Supercharger. I think I give the reader this chance to write a faith statement. No, it's in universe I think and they, they decide like what is my faith? What does it mean to me? And that will develop and that will change. And the. The freedom around that is. Is what makes it work. People. There's. It's. Some of this is. So much of this is semantic. So much of this is about people's religious upbringing that that may make them feel fearful of the word God or even the opposite, fearful of the word universe. Who cares about the words? Just establish a sense of inner awareness. You can call it inner guidance, you can call it higher self, you can refer to it as your own inner wisdom. But it's the voice of love, not the voice of fear, that we are aiming to connect to. And there's a lot of ways to believe that we're making that connection. And I honestly don't care what people call it or how they think they're getting there, but just that they do get there on their, on their path.

That's awesome. Yeah, no, thanks for saying and clarifying that because yeah, it's us humans being humans trying to put labels on everything. It seems like, right, like semantics get in the way of just like just be good, just feel good and do good shit and live, be happy, you know? And does that like say mission also? The second thing was the mission driven life and business that you now run, but it didn't sound like you always had that. Was this a big piece of this? Like, like now putting this into business? Do you actually have a purpose? How'd you get to there?

You know, I think that when I got clean and sober, I transitioned my career from running a PR business that I owned when I was 21 to 25. I put down my PR business and I started to give talks and write books and lecture. And it was just so clear that that was the career path that I was meant to choose. But I never, I really don't think of it as a career path. I've thought of it as a life path. And while I run a big business with my husband and my team and, and we have a tremendous amount of online learning and lots of like, just so much content that we deliver in different ways. For me, it's just about. It's just about getting the message to as many people as possible. So it's fun to, to be in the world and it's fun to create courses and it's fun to write books and, and it's absolutely elating and fun and just beyond exciting to be in my art, which is public speaking, which I've. Which has been taken from me right now. What's most valuable and what's most joyful to me is to witness the transformations in people. And I've had the privilege of watching thousands and thousands of people throughout my career make radical transformations. And I get emails and letters and people coming up to me all the time saying, you changed my life. And I continuously say to these people, I did not change your life. I just told you a story. I gave you some methods. You changed your life because somebody could come across my work, but not do the work. And that won't change them. They change them. It's such a privilege to be in a profession where you get to witness transformation in others and you get to be a part of that journey and you get to inspire people to be better. You just brought something up about what's been going on recently for us, which. With this beautiful opportunity that we have to take of just being better, being better with regard to how we show up, with regard to racial injustice, being better with how we show up politically, being better with how we show up for each other right now as we live through a pandemic, just being better humans.

That's it.

That's it.

I kind of want to just end it right there. It's too damn good. All right, let's. Let's end on. Like, what are you most excited about? Like, what are you. I don't know if I want to say hopeful, because we can change, but where do you see things going for yourself? But also, like, just what's. What's getting you excited right now? Like, you said public speaking. I mean, you're technically kind of doing it now, but it's not the same. You know, you're not in front of me.

You know, it's what I'm excited about is that. Is this. Okay. So I started doing this thing because I'm a public speaker, and my art, you know, my art is. Is being on stage. That's. And even though that's not my primary thing I do, because it's, you know, would be once a month I go on the road or whatever, because I don't want to be on a plane all the time. But it's something that I've always had the choice to say yes to or no to, and now I don't. All my. My talks have been pushed to 2021, 2022, and I have, you know, I don't have a stage. So what. What do I have? I have the Internet. And so I'd been going on and I've been, like, kind of doing my, like, you know, one to many, just me talking to the camera. And it's like, okay, this is. Okay, this is. Feels like. But I was like, what I love most is seeing somebody in an audience and just workshopping them in real time. There's no question you could give me that I can't answer with authority. And because I'm answering from a spiritual perspective, there's an answer for everything, frankly. And it's. I have this just tremendous confidence in giving the prescription in whatever form it needs to come through me. And I perceive myself as a channel for that information. And, yes, my Gabby intuition and inspiration is coming through that, but there's also messages far beyond me that come through. And so I felt stifled that I wasn't able to do that. And so then I was like, you know what? Can I curse on your show?

Sure.

I was like, fuck it. I'm going and I'm doing it. So I got on Instagram Live and I started a show called Dear Gabby. It's a few weeks old. It's killer. It's so damn good. It is literally the coolest thing I've ever done in my entire life by getting text messages and emails from random people, like my mom's best friend. And, like, you know, just people of all ages being like, Dear Gabby's so awesome. And, you know, my mom's like, I've always thought she should have done a deer Gabby. And it's pretty much just bringing people on, random people through all throughout the world. I have no idea who I'm bringing on. I just pick people at random and they bring them onto my show, and I see their face because it's two people on the Instagram Live feed, and I see them live, and I. And I just start riffing with them. They ask me anything, and I'll just give them a prescription, you know, prescription. I'll give them my Gabby Download. And it's. It's just. What I will tell you right now is I know this with certainty that it will be a bigger platform. Like, there'll be some network that's going to scoop this up. I know that because of logic, but I also know that because of intuitive vision. And so this is the thing that I'm being called to do. And, you know, sometimes we, like, they always say, like, you know, make lemon. Make lemonade out of lemons, right? It's like, you know, I was given this opportunity to find a different way, but in a way, it's given me this much broader audience because my live lectures maybe put, you know, at most, like 3 to 5,000 people in a room, but on an Instagram Live, you could have, like, you know, hundreds of thousands of people watching as it's been reshared and shared and shared. And so the opportunity to be able to teach in that way is still feels live because that live element comes through because I can see someone, I can see their humanness, I can see their reaction, I can see their tears and I can see their experience with me in the moment. And then, you know, it's allowing me to express my gift. And then most importantly, it's allowing me to be prescriptive and, and supportive and let other people borrow the benefits of watching the, the prescription unfold for somebody else. And so it's healing people in a entertaining way. And you know, some little girl said to her mom, I love watching her, I don't understand what she's saying, but I love watching her because her energy is making me feel good. Like a 10 year old little girl said that, you know, and the, the reaction is just like unbelievable. And it's just, you know, I just have to make sure people can find, find it on Instagram. If you go to Instagram tv, IGTV is where their videos are living.

Okay.

It's, you know, it's like hidden. It's also hidden. Yeah, I'm gonna put it on a web page. I'll probably have a webpage. Gabby Bernstein.com forward/Dear Gabby, that we'll have up by the time this airs and people can go watch the old episode. But when I tell you it is the most epic thing I, I'm getting my event planner who's been on the road with me for the past, you know, 10 years for all of my book tours, she called me and she said I didn't think you'd be able to bring, bring what you have on the stage onto the Internet, but you did. She's like, this is it. This is so killer.

That's the way to do. I mean I can just hear you're like, you are freaking pumped up and that's, that's exciting.

It's so awesome. You guys go watch Dear Gabby right now.

We go check that out.

That's awesome.

Awesome. So a couple real super quick wrap up questions. Do you have any books that you refer back to often or find yourself recommending? Obviously, everybody listening. Go check out Super Attractor and the universe has your back and your various work that you've put out there. But are there any books that you refer back to or find yourself recommending often?

There's a book I'm reading right now that I recommend to parents. But even to people who aren't parents, if you want to reparent yourself.

Or if you are a parent or if you're having any kind of issue in relationship, just read this book, and it's called no Drama Discipline by Dan Siegel. And it's really, really tremendous. And it just gives us the opportunity to recognize how we've maybe been dismissive of other people's feelings and to start to meet people where they are, meet people where they're feeling, not what you think they're doing. And that is epic. That's amazing. I'm reading a lot of Peter Levine's work, Awakening the Tiger.

Then again, I mentioned the Sarno work of the Mind Body Prescription. I really recommend to you, Matt. Mind Body Prescription, definitely.

That sounds real. Right up my alley.

Healing Back Pain is his most famous book. Or how to Heal Back Pain. I don't remember exactly how he phrased it.

I often am reading multiple books at one time, which is just not always the best thing to do. But those three, I think would be very valuable for right now. And then there's a great Pema Chodron book called When Things Fall Apart. I think that's what it's called. Yeah, that read I read a year ago, and I was just listening to an interview with her, and I was like, I should probably pick that up again right now.

It's always these good books. You're like, I'm gonna read this every year.

Like three years later, I'm gonna read this this year.

Finally. Those are solid.

All of my books that someone would wanna read right now. While we mentioned Universe, we mentioned Super Attractor. My most important book is the one that people don't finish. And it's called Judgment Detox. And often people don't finish it because it's a lot of it's quote unquote work. You know, it's asking you to go to places and look at yourself and do some things that might be uncomfortable. And if you really want to have some deep freedom right now from a lot of what you're experiencing, the divisive nature of what's happening online and all of the feelings we have about being closer to family and the stuff that's up. Do the work of Judgment Detox and thank me later.

Love it. All right, expect an email from us later. Thank you so much. And we're confused, folks. Get Super Attractor. Where's the best place to send them?

Oh, you know, just go to Amazon and if you just type my name in, a bajillion books will come through and you can pick out whichever is right for you.

Sweet.

I have a lot of free resources on my website, too. Gabby Bernstein.com, lots of free meditations, free digital Courses, just tons. We like to give a lot away because I want to support people as much as possible.

Yeah, yeah. A bunch of friends with your. What was it? A spiritual junkie app and. And all that stuff. Shout out to Rachel, listening. And she's like, ah, I love that app. I'm like, okay, I'll let her.

Awesome.

So thank you very much, Gabby. It's been awesome.

Thank you, guys.

Awesome. So I hope you enjoyed re listening to that episode or listening to it for the first time, if that's your first time through. I know that it was really profound for me. It really helped shift my mental state just listening back to this one. So very, very powerful stuff. And we can't thank Gabby enough for coming on and spending time with us. Hopefully we'll have her back on in the near future because she's another one that we would love to chat with once more on the show. Now, before I go ahead and close this one out, I just want to remind you, check out our Discord. We actually took notes on this whole episode. Complete Cliff's notes with everything she said, all the resources and links and everything's available for you in those notes. They're inside of our discord. Go to hustleandflowchart.com discord. You'll find those over in the downloads channel inside the Discord. And again, if you're not following us on Twitter, make sure you follow Matt Rwolf and Joe Fear on Twitter. And for bonus points, check out our Hard Fork Media Twitter account. That's our larger media brand with multiple voices in there tweeting about web3 and crypto gaming and all sorts of cool stuff in this world that we're going down the rabbit hole in lately. All right, so thanks again for checking out this episode. Thanks again to Gabby Bernstein for spending the time with us. And I will see you guys in a couple days with another awesome rewind episode. And then we start breaking into the new stuff starting February, exciting times. All right, see you in the next one.

Sam.