Founders Guide to VC Holiday Parties, Dawgs of the Week, Zuck's Gold Chain, Trillion Dollar Potential

Welcome to Technology Brothers, the most profitable podcast in the world. Jordy, get off the phone, please.

Sorry, Senator, I'm gonna have to call you back.

Okay. Great night last night. Took a massive group of bros, and actually two women as well, to the movies. We went and saw Interstellar, 10 year anniversary, 70 millimeter IMAX, Universal CityWalk.

Been there.

Fantastic event. Yeah. Yeah, fantastic. Actually, the last time I saw Interstellar was at 70 millimeter IMAX, maybe even the same theater.

Great movie when it first released.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's been 10 years. Fantastic movie. Very techno optimist, very sci fi. Lots of fun.

The iconic scene of the guy, like, through the glass. Right. Is that the movie that I'm thinking of?

Yeah. No, don't go, don't go. Make me stay. That whole thing. And there's, yeah, that great docking scene where they're like, it's impossible. He's like, no, it's necessary.

Yeah.

It makes you think of, you know, raising the impossible round with, you know, one month of Runway left.

Yeah.

It can always be done, but it's necessary.

Yeah.

Great.

A lot of people say, john, how do you get 30 people single?

Break it down. Yeah, so you pull that off. I highly recommend this to everyone, no matter what city you're in. If you have a movie theater, what you do, go to Fandango. Pick a. Pick a movie. Doesn't matter if it's bad. It just has to be a good bro movie. We did a Jason Statham movie, the Beekeeper once. It was disaster, but it was amazing. Just buy like 20 tickets.

Minions.

Uh, no, we just pick something fun, something easy, accessible. Don't go art house. Don't go depressing. Just something action movie, something silly, a classic, something that's in theaters you've seen before. Get a whole row, get 20 tickets, buy the tickets and then just text. Literally, just go down your text. List everyone that you've texted in the last month who's in your city. Hey, going to this movie. You want to come? Yep. And then whoever gets back to you, some people just won't even respond. Other people, I'm busy. And then a lot of people bail the last second. Some people jump on the last second, but you can refund the tickets up until like 15 minutes before. And so there's no financial risk. Yeah, but you've. But you've. You've de.

Risked the social capital that you generate from hosting your boys and girls.

It's fantastic movie. Priceless. Yeah. And it just. It just defeats the activation energy of, like, hey, should we do something. Well, who else is in? It's like the first text is like, I'm going to see Interstellar in 70 millimeter with 20 people. Do you want to come? And then people are just like, sure, yeah. It's so much easier. So highly recommend it. Holiday season, there'll be friends in town, people traveling, holidays, and it's a great experience. So just go make it happen. We've done a few times. Try and run it back as often as possible.

Yeah. Cinema is meant to be enjoyed as a collective in many ways. Cinemas now become so much like, I'm going there with my little tiny group, you know, one or maybe a couple people, you know, just sit there in silence. But there's, there's an amazing energy of filling a row Totally. With your absolute boys.

Totally.

And just locking in.

Yeah. The emotional moments are more emotional. The funny moments are, are funnier. Everything's better with a.

If you get scared.

Yeah.

You gotta grab on, grab on.

Size your mass monster who you brought with you.

Yeah, David.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely bring a guy who can bench £400 to keep you safe during the scary parts.

Yep.

That's essential. Well, it is the holiday seasons. It's Christmas time and we are bringing you today something really special. We are breaking down the Founder's guide to VC Christmas parties. And I have a cheat sheet here that, oh, this is, this is a prize possession.

We put a lot of work into this.

There's a lot of alpha here and.

Basically more than a decade of actually attending these and trying to extract the most amount of value.

Exactly.

Just because it's the holiday season, just because you're getting into the spirit of giving and just socializing and, and doesn't mean you shouldn't be trying to extract value.

Exactly, exactly. There's always an opportunity cost. You could be working. If you're going to the Christmas party, you got to get your money's worth. And so I have six steps here. Jordy has a bunch of different ideas. We'll break it all down for you. Here's how to get the most out of attending a VC Christmas party. Step one, you got to get your friends on the list. This is tough because the guest list can be very tight. You got to make your friends sound interesting. You got to, you got to craft compelling backstories for them. I have some examples. You go to whoever's hosting, say, hey, I got a buddy, he's in stealth mode on a revolutionary startup. He's building, you know, a bear domestication platform. He's an expert in bear domestication, you can just be like, hey, you see that movie Inception? Yeah. He's doing that. He's doing dream tech.

He's a biotech founder in bear domestication.

Yeah. Or doing, or doing dream tech, sleep tech, you know, Johnson Rejuvenation. These are the guys that get invited. Any, anyone else who's just building B2B SaaS, they're going to show up to the partner meeting straight away. But they're not getting the Christmas invite. The Christmas invites for the crazy category, the crazy folks. But you got to get them up to speed. You got to tell them, hey, I pitched you as the Inception guy.

Yep.

I need you to pull an all nighter, get up to speed on this. You can't just walk in there because you're going to be quizzed.

Get on perplexity, start researching.

Yeah. How would we make Inception happen in real life? You might need to be. If you're the bear domestication guy, you got to know all the different breeds. How are we getting them smaller? How, how long is this going to take? What's your timeline?

You want to have some marks on your face.

Exactly.

It's a process not fully domesticated yet. Like go down, get violently slashed by something. Yep. And you know, really, it's like a method. It's like John Theo's, you know, method entrepreneurship. You got to get into character. And if somebody that's in a biotech founder and bear domestication, certainly getting clipped with a claw here or there. Otherwise you're just working with previously domesticated bears.

Yeah, yeah. So you got, you got to work the list, work around whoever's organizing the assistance. The wild card folks who might be in the organization, might have access to the eventbrite or the paperless post or whatever they're using. Get the names on the list. You gotta understand the security is gonna be tight. This isn't a college party. You can't pass back an ID that's not gonna play. You gotta be on the list. And so once you get your boys in, you wanna be arriving early. You gotta respect the opportunity cost. Time here is time. Your empire, you got to maximize the night. So you show up, probably want to be bringing a gun. And the reason is because it puts them in an awkward position. It's like either they respect the second amendment, let you in.

Yeah.

Or trust you and trust you and then you're carrying the whole time.

Yeah.

Or they make you take it off and check it at the door and then you can be like, oh, so I guess you're un American. And then you have the high ground.

Yeah. Yeah. And if they're. If they invest in American dynamism, then you have some. A little bit of blackmail on them to be like, oh, yeah, they didn't.

Even allow guns at their Christmas party.

Allow me to carry at the Christmas party. How. How. How American are you exactly? Yeah. And this. This goes back, like, I, I. A lot of people in LA carry.

Yep.

And a lot of people all the country carry. But surprisingly, here in la, and I have no issues being around people that carry.

Yep.

As long as I really, fully trust them. And if that's the case. And great. I'm actually feel safer knowing that they're strapped. Right.

Exactly.

And so it's a good way to determine, does your gp, does VC actually trust you? And if they've invested in your company already, then great. If they haven't yet, it's a sign that they are probably more likely to invest, because if they trust you with their life, they'll trust you with their capital.

Exactly. Exactly. So once you get in, you got to scout the best drinks. You got to skip the tray past wine and champagne.

Yep.

That's. That's the house wine. You gotta head straight for the wine cellar, usually in the basement. Scout out the sommelier. You gotta ask for the best pour. You're looking for Screaming Eagle, here's what you do. You don't just drink it one glass at a time. You say, hey, I got a bunch of friends upstairs. Can I get four glasses?

Yep.

Take one, chug it right there in front of them. Let them know, Establish dominance. Establish dominance. Then as you're walking up the stairs, that's glass two. Then you head upstairs. You act like, oh, I'm looking for my buddy, but I'm just gonna take a sip. You're down to two glasses. Now take the third glass. And then as you're milling about, scouting the scene, four glasses, then your full bottle in.

Slow down.

Exactly.

Do it a little more leisurely at least.

Yeah, exactly. So now you're already up on the deck.

To be clear, the sommelier knows you've had at least one glass.

Yeah.

But everyone else just thinks you're on your first.

Exactly.

They didn't see the other three.

Plausible deniability.

Yeah.

So now. Now, like, no matter what happens, you've hurdled your. Your opportunity cost because you've consumed an entire bottle of Screaming Eagle.

Y.

Now it's time to get some food in you. So you gotta head to the buffet. Usually there's prime rib or another High value protein. And you're gonna want to take down as much as possible. But this is where it gets creative. Bring a couple Ziploc bags, take a couple prime ribs home to your team. If you're a bootstrap startup, you could feed your entire team for a week off of what you can take.

Yeah. And I would recommend, like, take, you know, don't just bring a couple ziploc bags, bring 30 or 40 and actually stash them around the property so that you can, you could, you could come back after the party's ended. The host will probably be fairly incapacitated. Right. They've had a bunch of drinks throughout the night, they're sleeping, leave the party, but then actually come back like an hour later and just collect all the, all the prime rib and then get out of there again.

Exactly, exactly. Okay, so step four, you got to navigate the social scene. You gotta handle the cool kids. Cause if you're a founder, you're not gonna be the hottest kid there. You're not gonna be the coolest guy. There's always gonna be someone who's flexing a little bit harder. There's gonna be a lot of drugs going around, potentially. You gotta skip the mushroom bar for sure. No psychedelics. There might be tattoos. If that's the case, let everyone know. Get a giant chess piece, Bald eagle eating a panda bear.

Let people know you're an American, a real patriot.

Real patriot. Everyone will be getting small tattoos because it's, you know, it's, it's time limited. You want to be in there for two hours.

Yeah. And so much, so much of company building is pure pain tolerance, right?

Yes.

You got to chew glass for a decade to get that generational outcome.

Yep.

And so if you can sit there at the holiday party, getting a chess piece for two hours, that's a way to display that level of pain tolerance. And don't flinch, don't cry. Just, just take it on the chest.

Yeah.

And that's an easy way to get your next round done because that other VCs are going to see. This guy just got a pound of ink in his flesh, didn't even wince. Of course, I can trust him with my money.

Right.

Because this is about, this isn't really about. If you're invited to the holiday party, you either have a pending term sheet or already in the portfolio. And so this is really about getting in front of the other capital allocators at the event and getting their attention so that they can get your next round done.

Yeah. And so you want to Bring your pitch deck. You want to print it out. Use a high quality 80 pound paper. Don't go cheap. No, no. 20 pound, no. 30 pound. Smart. Full color. You want to bind it and you want to leave it everywhere. Drop it strategically in the bathroom, the home office, behind books, where get it in the gym, wherever you think the.

Put it in the prime, you know, the catering. And they have the flip it open.

Pitch deck in there, easy. Next person find it. A VC is not gonna be able to resist looking at pitch deck no matter how popping the party is.

Yep.

So then you.

Would you use airdrop in a situation like this, would you just start airdropping to anybody like in the, in the vicinity?

I like, I like the way you're thinking. Yeah, I like the way you're thinking.

Because if you're out of copies, start blasting airdrops.

Yep, exactly.

Yeah.

So then you're going to want to mill about. Now you have your tattoo, you got your steak, you got your screaming eagle. You're going to head upstairs and probably going to be some cool kids hanging out in some private room, maybe doing a little bit of cocaine. You want to stay away from that. But you don't want to get mogged by the cool kids. So here's what you do. You walk in, you see them. Hey. And they're going to be like, hey, come do the coke. You don't want to. You want to stick to the basics. Caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, protein.

Yep.

Right. So how do you mog them? Say, hey, I just got back from Pyongyang. I got some crystal meth that's pure than a graph diamond. Let's hit this. Now they're scared because they're like, I don't want to touch that. That's too crazy. And so now you're the boss. You're the boss and you don't even have to do any hard drugs.

Yep.

And so that you've established your dominance.

Just throw it on the table.

Exactly.

And watch them scatter to the wind.

Yeah. Their fear is your win.

Yeah.

Leave with your reputation intact. So the last thing, or actually step five, spy craft. Everyone suspects at these parties that the Asian women are CCP spies. But that's racist and just wrong. What you need to watch out for are the Canadian guys because they blend in. You think that they're Americans, but then you find out, you get completely blindsided. This happened to me. I was shocked when I learned that. So you need to be figuring out who is un American, who's from Canada. You can usually ID them by if they're saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Very un American. And then you could drop an obscure ice hockey reference. You could start talking about the Zamboni market and how Zambonis are technically hard tech. And if they get excited. Yeah, that's a tell. It's Canadian. He's in the hockey. And if someone questions you, you're already good because you can show off your tattoo of the eagle eating the panda bear, and they know you're on. You're on America's team. And so the last step, step six, you got to party like a legend. You got to be a contrarian. You got to leave your mark. You got to get ready for the pool. We always recommend wearing a swimsuit under your tuxedo. You go into the bathroom, you hang up your tuxedo, nice and neat. You want to leave it. You want to leave it nicely folded.

Good. When you get back in it.

Exactly. Hop in the pool. Maybe you start a revolution. VCs are herd animals. They'll all jump in. All of a sudden, it's a pool party.

And do your best. If any of your absolute boys are in there, do your best to start a whirlpool where you all move around long enough that you kind of create this, basically creating a movement. Venture capitalists like to invest in founders that can create a movement. And so this is a wonderful physical display. Not just physicality, but ability to create something bigger than yourself. A whirlpool is a great example of that. And a beaner or any type of emerging GP is going to just appreciate their pool getting used. In general, many of those pools go untouched for months.

I completely agree.

And so it's a sign of respect to say, hey, you pay to get this pool cleaned every single week and serviced. I'm going to use it so that you get your money's worth.

Yeah. Let's use the fruits of your labor. A cannonball is respectful.

Yep.

So you got any more tips for me?

I mean, you really. You really covered it almost all. Yeah. My main stuff kind of just echoes a lot of what. A lot of what you're saying. I think it's always about finding a way to stand out. You sort of went over a number of different ways to do that and be memorable. Right. But the biggest thing, if I could hone in on anything, it's become the main character.

Yep.

If somebody's hosting people at their house, they're trying to create an environment that says, oh, you know, look. Look at how incredible my network is the quality of the people that I surround myself with, the quality of my portfolio. And so if you're going to become the main character, you need to be controversial. The best founders are often controversial. Right. Steve Jobs, Travis Kalanick, you need to figure out a way to pattern match this and do that in this sort of party environment. So that can be. You already covered this. A lot of people are going to be sticking to one to two drinks. Try drinking order of magnitude more than that.

Power law outcome for power law.

Power law drinking they call it. And this is really like you want them to remember you on Monday, Right. So the Saturday party, everybody, everybody's in a daze on Sunday. And then Monday you send that email out, hey, it was great seeing you at the party. I don't remember much, but I'd love to get together and sort of talk further, take the conversation a little bit further.

This is one of those, like Teelian secrets about Silicon Valley. Like we know some VCs who get completely, completely blacked out and they've gone on to raise huge funds.

Yeah. There's sort of a blackout to fund manager pipeline that's pretty well established.

And so, yeah, kind of narrative violation there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you know, you know another one. Insist on bringing your own security. Often, oftentimes there's going to be security already there. And if you're going to a party with, with people like this, you want them to know that you have enemies and that you need your own security with you.

Yep.

And if I meet a founder and they don't have any enemies, they're probably not doing anything important and I probably don't want to invest in them. So by bringing your own security, it adds to this sort of mystique and allure and saying like, why does he need four bodyguards surrounding him at all times?

I thought he was just domesticating bears. He must be doing something much bigger.

Yeah, yeah. Seed stage founder. Like, how does he have this many enemies? How is this a high threat environment? So it's just a way to establish sort of your importance. Second, so this happens a lot. Sometimes you're getting invited to a VC holiday party for a VC that you love. That's one situation that's kind of what we outlined. But if you get invited to a rival VC's holiday party, you can bring. I'd recommend bringing a journalist as a plus one. And here's the trick. Disguise them as an escort so that you don't make anyone's alarm bells go off.

So basically if they're just yeah, that makes sense.

If they're disguised as an escort, that's pretty common for. For people to bring escorts to a holiday party like this. And so nobody. The rival vc, won't know what hit them until they're in the information on Monday.

Yeah. And I mean, the journalists will be able to blend in because they all come from fabulous wealth, and so totally they won't be.

They're going to know what wines to, you know, select and which appetizers to skip and whatnot. And then the last thing. A little more serious. Bring extra large napkins. A lot of rounds get done on the back of napkins for these kind of parties, but depending on your situation as a founder, there might be a lot of structure added to the deal. And so if you have a bigger napkin, you're just that. That you'll kind of need the extra space to make. To kind of work out all the kinks.

Yeah.

And make sure you get the whole thing and the signature blocks and everything like that. So bring extra napkins. Bring a journalist as a plus one. If you're going to your enemy's holiday party and whatever the situation is, bring your own security.

We should make paper napkins that have full Excel sheets printed on them.

Yes.

So you can just do a full model.

Yeah, yeah.

DCF printed on there on the back of it. Yeah, yeah. You can do this deal on the back of a napkin. And it's simple, and it's just the most complicated DCF you've ever seen.

That's.

Oh, well, that's fantastic. Let us know how it goes, folks. Use those tips and enjoy Christmas parties at VC events this holiday season. Moving on, let's do some DMS that we got. We have a bunch here. First is from Jeremy, good friend of the show. He says, why won't you guys put on a tie? That's a good question. I think for 2025, that should be a New Year's resolution. I'm putting on a tie. Send me your recommendations. Send me. We found a great Net jets tie. It was a steal. We're gonna find. We're gonna become tie experts.

Tie 23. Yeah. Guys. Guys in LA put on a suit and think they deserve an award.

Yes.

And they haven't even thought about getting to the tie.

Yes.

There's a lot.

He did send us this the day that I was wearing a tuxedo with a bow tie, though. So, you know, pay attention. I do wear ties every once in a while. Oh, here's a. Here's a more serious DM that I got. Ahoy John. Do you know how I can get off the employment blacklist? I've applied to an of jobs that would blow your mind this year and have only had 10 or so interviews. What do you think about how to stand out? Maybe we can tell some jokes but also give some serious advice because I know that this person is seriously applying to jobs and is seriously trying to get a job right now and is kind of willing to do anything. Very, very strong. Hustler sent me some just like very interesting stock tips. He, he found this company that is in the caviar business that was mooning for a while and he's just like observing. He's not like a trader but he just like knows an interesting storyline. Clearly like tapped in but is really having a, having trouble standing out in the kind of vanilla hiring. Send in your resume. Like he just doesn't make, make it through the first gate. Yeah. So what would you recommend to stand out? Maybe jokingly maybe seriously. I know he's looking for real advice though.

Applying for jobs is, is pretty much futile. Unless, unless you're applying to these sort of big companies that have sort of established pipeline.

Yeah.

Pro even, even then I don't really recommend it. You want to.

The one establishment process that works is like you're a new grad at a top school and there's a recruiting cycle.

Yeah.

It's like yeah, of course you put in your application with Bain, BCG, McKinsey and it's like a clear flow and.

Even, even, even relatively unknown seed stage startups will get 3,000 applicants for a entry level role.

Any TechCrunch.

And so it's, it's completely, it's completely impossible to try to get jobs that way. Not impossible but, but I don't, I think people going and applying to a bunch of jobs feeling like they're being productive and working towards something is not a good idea to. So two things. One, establishing some type of personal relationship with someone at the company that could be the founder, that could be an investor in the company that could be, you need, you need some type of warm relationship otherwise you're just going to get lost in the, in the stack. Second, this is especially probably relevant to engineering roles. If you can go talk to go find 50 engineering focused recruiters and, and, and get on the phone with them because they're trying to get on the phone with potential candidates all day and have them start to understand you and help and then start warm and showing you to companies that that's another way. But Yeah, I think you just need to get more creative in order to get attention. My, my favorite story of, of of hiring somebody was somebody who had message, seen some marketing in my last company, sent me a number of message DMs that I actually didn't see. They went to the like request spam or like requested messages folder. And then he, he just made an app for us, like an entire end to end app that was like fully out of the box. Like and that finally got through to me and I jumped on. I think it was like a Saturday that I saw it and I was like, this is insane. Yeah, like totally like blew me away. And I had a conversation with him and ended up hiring him pretty much. Like after seeing that work, I was like ready to hire him on the first call. So like you gotta, if you're struggling to find a role, like you just gotta get it, find a way to get like figure out how to be 10 times more creative than what you're doing right now. Sending a linked, a boilerplate LinkedIn message, you know, probably not going to do it, but figure out a way to stand out.

So two things. One on cold email, incredibly effective. But dialing in the complexity and length of a cold email is really tough and really critical. Too short. Hey, I just want a job. Can we hop on the phone? That's not going to break through, but also going super long and telling your entire life story is also going to feel like work. It needs to be just this perfect balance. Like three to five sentences with phone number. Hey, you can just text me. Like let's move to the next stage. You want to see these things as like a funnel. Like you, you want to get to like phone, text, meet, like move very quickly. And then in terms of the building something, creating value before you get paid. Essentially a lot of people are like, oh well, like you just want free work or whatever. But I think that if you reframe in your mind in terms of like I could spend 40 hours applying to 400 jobs with generic applications and just like slightly rewarded, you know, like cover letters saying I like your industry, whatever, versus you take that 40 hours and you put that towards whatever your craft is, whether that's marketing or sales or development. You put that towards one company, it's more wood behind fewer arrows that's going to break through. And I think that you'll actually see a higher conversion rate down the funnel even though the top of funnels so much smaller because you're actually just, just you know, dedicated. Yeah, I think that'll really show off.

Yeah. Try to do some type of small project even like if you're an engineer, message a CEO and say, hey, I contributed to this like open source project that I know you guys use.

Boom.

That'll get you through. If you're at a marketing role, Hey, I here's five influencers in your category that I think could, could be potential partners and here's why. That'll get you through sales. Same thing. Hey, here's three companies that I know that could be potential. I'd love to connect you to them and separately would be great to jump on the phone sometime. So, yeah, we got a, we got Reply Guy of the month and the big, the big news here, Reply Guy of the Month. There's been so much, so much activity in the comment section of the TV account that we are moving Reply Guy of the Month to Reply Guy of the Week. And so there will be 52, up to 52 reply guys over the next year. Honorary reply guys. And I got to say this, there's, there's a number of accounts that have been putting in the work. We're talking 10, 20 plus comments a day. It's extremely excessive. The people that are, and necessary, the people that are standing out are, are actually, you know, reply guys that are engaging with each other. So they're, they're taking the conversation onto each other's accounts and each other's posts. They're engaging with companies like Ramp and Devin. They're engaging with the employees of the companies, of the companies that we feature. So there's levels to the reply game. Last week we gave it to Baldo. He has even leveled up since then. His posting has been out of control. Good. And he actually had a little bit of back and forth with this week's Reply Guy of the Week, which is none other than Turner Novak. Congratulations to Turner.

Congratulations, Turner.

Guy Turner, I would have to imagine, has post notifications on. He has been highly, highly active. And this goes to show that it's not just emerging posters that can win this award. It doesn't. You know, Turner's got, you know, 100,000 plus followers on this platform. He's been and been very active for years.

And Elon Musk is a reply guy. Elon Musk is a reply guy too, with just emojis. This is so good tweets. He engages.

You're never above replying and being a reply guy.

Yes.

And Turner had some fantastic replies. I'll kind of go down them.

Let's go through the greatest hits.

Greatest hits. Wow. Devin is a game changer, engaging with Cognition Labs. We love to see that. We were talking about how expensive podcasting is. You got mics, cables, cameras, $300,000 to spend on a branding agency just to get. Just to get in the game. And Turner said each trust fund actually comes with a podcast. So that would explain why there's so many podcasts.

That makes sense.

Um, he also was trying to get wire instructions for Baldo Seed Round, which again, showing that engagement with other reply guys.

Yeah, kind of syndicate of reply guys.

And he actually said, you guys are doing it all wrong. You don't actually need a podcast. You just need to be able to tell people you have a podcast.

Oh, interesting.

Telling someone you have a podcast gets you all the same benefits without having to deal with any of the downsides. So this is. If you just have a podcast, you can say, hey, do you want to come be a guest on my podcast? And if they say yes, maybe you do a podcast with them just to, you know, show like, you know, extend an olive branch. Having somebody on your podcast is the modern equivalent of an OLED branch. He also is dunking on TechCrunch a little bit. He says TechCrunch has been real quiet since the Technology Brothers got together. So anyways, love to see this. He even took it a step further. This kind of was icing on the cake. He did not release an episode of his podcast during Thanksgiving, but he used that as an opportunity to promote Technology Brothers Podcast. So setting. Setting a new bar. I see a pretty, you know, vicious rivalry emerging between Baldo and Turner. Yep, bright future for both of them as posters, but certainly going to be continuing to get at it in the comment section. So congratulations to Turner. We will be getting you your medal in the mail soon. So thank you for replying and never.

Stop near Cyan says, I am purchasing Mark Zuckerberg's golden chain for $15,420.69, and it's one of Zuck's gold chains in support of the Edge Institute. And this. This was all over the timeline. People were very excited about the auctioning of Mark Zuckerberg's golden chain, which is very cool. I guess this was donated, but, you know, the whole backstory. Can you break it down and then tell us why we are awarding the brother of the Week not to Zuck, but to someone else?

Yes. So. So anyway, so this auction was hosted by a friend of the podcast and friend of ours, Justin Mares. So Justin has his own company, True Med. Made his money in Bone Broth, but more recently has been running True Med. He's also a venture partner at Long Journey Ventures, famous venture capital firm. And Justin has created this thing called Inflection Grants, which is a program where if you're 25 and under and $2,000 would change your life, you can get a grant. So this could be getting a plane ticket somewhere. Let's say you're living in, you know, Tennessee and you want to get to Silicon Valley. They'll give you a grant that lets you fly out, meet somebody and potentially change the trajectory of your life. It could be a computer. Let's say kids in high school and they're like good at video editing and they want to get better at that, they'll give them a grant to buy a computer. And so this entire auction.

Are tailor made suits eligible?

Yes. So, so if you're, if you're a Gen Z founder, you're going to Y Combinator, you want to stand out and you want to get a tailored suit From Fiorentino label. $2,000 is not going to get you that, but you could go down to suit supply and pick up a suit from there. And so, yeah, it's an amazing program, sort of, you know, adjacent to Teal Fellowship. More, more accessible. And just goes to show that it doesn't take that much money to change the trajectory of someone's life. Right. So very cool program. And so this chain, they were able to secure Mark Zuckerberg's former Daily Driver chain and auction it off and able to raise $100,000 for inflection grants. And so that's 50 people that are going to get this grant. And so if you're interested in the program, go to inflection grants.com, i believe is the thing. And congratulations to Justin, one of the founding brothers of the week for sure. And nobody deserves it more than him this week. So thank you.

Let's continue with potentially a future brother of the week, Luke Metro. He's been on the show before. He says it's kind of cool how raising a seven figure seed round is generally easier than getting a job as a VC associate. Interesting.

Yeah, we, this was somewhat, somewhat controversial in the, in the group chats.

Yeah, Theo was saying that this, this behavior needs to be shamed. And I think he was talking about the pattern of VC associates or something.

What was it? No, no, I think he was saying it shouldn't be that easy to raise millions of dollars for your company.

Got it.

And I can see it both ways. Fio's point of view is A lot of people, their first few ideas that they work on are just not going to be that great. Right. And sort of resources that are potentially wasted. I can see that side. The other side of this is that the VC associate job is just not at most firms is not that you're kind of like a BDR sdr, like cold reaching out to companies. The good companies don't want to talk to the associates. And so it's just sort of like a role that has a bunch of busy work and maybe it's, you know, maybe it ends up being a pathway to joining the firm as partner or joining another firm as partner. But I think in a lot of funds the associate role is a, is a, it's almost like a death trap. But I think it's generally good that, that more young people will be better qualified to be investors later in life if they like build stuff. So I think it's generally good that it's, it's it. And you know, Luke is just like identifying this but it's pretty wild how it's some. For some people it's easier for them to get it to raise a seed round than get a job. Which is, which is actually probably very an indicator of how strong our innovation economy is.

Yeah. I mean if you think about it just like almost like a tax on large VC funds. If you raise a billion dollar fund and you put 100 million aside for million dollar seed rounds, that's 100 companies. You're not going to hire 100 associates with a billion dollar fund. And so the math just plays out much better. You get all these call options and, and then all these companies. It really does seem like it's a better job.

That would be an interesting fun Strategy though. It's $100 million fund with a hundred associates and they just fight. They just fight for the death. There's a leaderboard every single week. Who's talking to the most companies, who's doing the most deals.

There are some funds that track calls.

Yeah.

In the CRM like you gotta be.

Making 40 calls and emails, I'm sure.

Yeah. 40 calls a week.

It's crazy.

Oh well, I agree with Luke on this. I think it is wild, but I think it's cracked. Direct model. Erroneous input. Created a fantastic meme of us. I love this. This is reply guy of the month or week level posting.

He's a candidate for sure.

Yeah.

Do not stop. Erroneous input.

We love what you're doing on the map. It's a beautiful photo. Found some great Photos of us from the show, photoshopped them in to this sports car in the snow and really, really good job with the cropping and the masking. Just this very intentional. It's not a hack job. This is class. I like it. Really, really good. Probably could have blended in the TB logo into the hood a little bit.

More, dusted a little snow over the hood.

In a couple months he'll be pulling out the 3D rendering software, really baking it in.

Using Sora.

Yeah, yeah, maybe. But we love to see the user generated content, where it's going, how it's growing. We appreciate what you do for the show.

Great work.

We wouldn't be who we are without you. Let's go through this three post deep dive by Arfur Rock. Funny name and I think. Did you want, did you want to start with the Steph post? Steph Mui. She says a GP from a multi stage VC firm is anonymously posting private revenue numbers and funding rounds of large companies that are apparently quite accurate and they only have 450 followers and most of their tweets have almost no likes. And R for Rock is posting 11 labs 90 million ARR planning 100 million EOI profitable, closed unannounced round at 3.2 billion from iconic growth in A16Z. And R for Rock also says $20 million ARR in the first two months. Fastest growing software company ever raising 80 to 100 million at 1 billion. Have a few term sheets first week in market and then Arfurok closes with saying my DMs are open if you have some tea. It ain't much but it's honest work. So yeah, what's going on here?

So you Remember last, last bubble 2021 there was an account, I think it was called Genuine Info or something like that that was just similar approach that was basically leaking. Major deal making that was happening, you know, months or two months out before it was getting publicly announced. And so Arthur Rock, great name. I actually don't know what it's in a reference to.

Arthur Rock. Arthur Rock the GP or the original like vc.

Wow. Wow. I just proved I'm a zoomer. Yeah, the original GP himself. So anyways, the first venture capitalist. The first venture capitalist. So great, great name and some, some interesting intel. I actually DM with him a little bit last night. Nice guy, technology brother himself clearly. But yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm. It's an interesting strategy Cotton, because I think at some point some, some schizo is going to just try to pinpoint all of this and put it all together because on one hand I think it's a lot of this information by the time that. But he's not sharing anything that would be potentially damaging to companies but he's certainly front running the news cycle which our friends at the Misinformation like to do quite a lot. And so anyways I'm interested. I think, I think I'm long this account. I'm investing sub 500 followers. He's got a bright future and it's, it's one, it's one to follow. It's funny because I think it will whip GPS into this hysteria because they're going to see sometimes announcements get done and GPS are like punching the air because they just didn't see the company at all and it just like happened and they're like how did this happen without us seeing it? And now it's even earlier than that. Like the term sheets are basically already signed and they're seeing Arfur Rock announce it and they're just like sending R for rocks posts to their principal being like how the did you miss this?

I love how you say during the last bubble because it's just like you're always in a bubble. You're either in a crash or a bubble.

Yeah.

There's no normal time.

Yeah.

And this is true. Like when I got to Silicon Valley in 2020 12, 2013, everyone was talking about text in a major bubble and then that bubble went on for a decade.

That was a great bubble. It's a great bubble but I think we're in the best one yet. The America bubble.

Yeah. Jacob Sandsbury says having kids the next five years might be a tragic mistake. Every smart bio founder slash scientist I've talked to seems to think that embryo editing for things like short, shorter, short sleeper, reduced cancer risk, etc. Is possible on a near term horizon. Imagine having two kids a couple years apart. One is a superhuman and the other isn't. Sorry Jim, Little Timmy won't get cancer. Only needs four hours of sleep and your normal and you're normal. You were just born in the wrong order. 3K likes Interesting. The, the problem with this is that like these innovations like it's, it's not going to be some binary step change. It's going to be very smooth. And so like yes, every, every healthier.

D cell alert decel alert. No, I'm kidding. I looked at this. I'm more like part of being human is being imperfect.

Yep.

And I plan to have, you know, many more children with my wife and.

Go watch Gattaca and the indomitable will of the human spirit.

Yeah. And. And my children are perfect to me, even though I'm sure like one of them needs more sleep than the other when you know all these things. So I think a lot of these.

Gene editing technologies will be possible once you're alive. There'll be medications, there'll be all sorts of different.

Yeah. It's also. Do you want to be in the first generation of fully gene edited children where you're like, oh, I want to make sure. I want to allow them to only sleep three hours so they can GR harder and then it creates this like insane side effect. And it's like, yeah, maybe you want to cycle. 20 year cycle.

All of them became serial killers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want to edit for not being one Shotted by Ayahuasca.

Yes. Yeah.

In case. In the downside that my children.

Yeah. Also if you talk to a parent and you said, hey, there's this new experimental gene editing technology that will let your kids sleep for four hours. I don't know. A single parent would take that.

Every parent would be like, every.

Where's the 12 hour sleep?

Yeah, yeah. Every night. You're basically optimizing for. Oh, make sure this light is longer.

Sleep. Blackout curtains. Noise machine.

Noise 2. Let's do two noise machines.

Clearly overlapping.

Have you done the overlapping noise?

That works.

There's levels to the noise machine.

I love it. Okay. Cora says, today was the day I finally broke. I was accidentally not disassociated enough on the streets of San Francisco and projectile vomited from the yucky sites. This is interesting because I looked at Cora's profile and she's like a very normal tech person. She's not some like raging right wing lunatic who's like agitating for culture war. But 10 years ago there was this guy, Greg Gottman, who posted something very similar, talking about the homeless problem in San Francisco. And he was canceled harder than anyone ever could. Not get a job for years. And then he kind of bounced around. I think he's doing okay now, but it was really, really rough. He wrote a post about how like San Francisco has a lot of homeless problem and like, we need to do something about this.

And everyone canceled for that.

Incredibly canceled, like terrible. He got hired at Twitter for a little bit.

There was an error. You're basically. I basically miss this, Eric. Oh, I was in, basically in high school. But you said Dustin Curtis got canceled for liking nice things. This guy got canceled for identifying the homeless problem.

Yeah. It was. It was rough. And, yeah, the tech industry hadn't learned to, like, circle the wagons at all. And so there was just. It was no nuance, Complete scapegoating, and then just ostracization, and you just became an apostate very quickly for. For doing anything like this. Yeah, it was crazy. And, yeah, Greg was a little too early on that one, but it's interesting to see, like, just, you know, from what I can tell, just like, a completely normal person in tech, like, not. Not raging, like, oh, some culture war, like, clickbait, you know, trying to, like, rile people off.

Yeah, it's not a contrarian thing. I mean, I. That's my. Some of my core memories of San Francisco, unfortunately, are being a kid and, like, walking around and being stunned at some sort of very traumatizing situation.

I mean, I lived in the Tenderloin in 2012, 2013, and it was. It was rough. But, I mean, I'm a tall guy. Most times people would just be like, oh, do you play basketball? They get kind of attracted. And once you're. Once you're like a local people, just kind of clock.

And you carry a basketball, Right?

Exactly. In a dream.

Leave the house.

Yeah. So for the warriors, it wasn't that bad for me, but I went back after Covid, and I'd seen everyone on Twitter in San Francisco talk about how bad it was, and I was like, okay, I'm going to try and be objective here. Like, how can I quantifiable, say if it's actually worse or if that's just some psyop from tech people? And the thing that I. I landed on as being, like, something that I noticed that was physically different was the number of barbecues that were on the street, like, more permanent encampments, because you're actually, like, living and cooking and, like, sometimes even hooking up gas lines and stuff. Like, it's like, very, very permanent installation. And I was like, I don't remember that happening. And so you can never really tell if it's like, oh, you see a street and there's a lot of homeless people. It could just be like, well, they moved from five streets to one street, so there's not actually a gain in the number of homeless people, but the barbecue thing really, really stuck out to me. So I do think there's an issue, and I really hope they solve it soon. And apparently the best way to solve it is to have Xi Jinping come and visit.

You saw that Gary Tan.

Yeah, Gary Tan's leading the serious charge. But Anytime there's Dreamforce, Mark Benioff is just like, clean up this entire city. It's great. Let's go to Will Quest. He says that sound you hear is tech investment bankers everywhere canceling their holiday plans and breathing a sign of relief. And it says, this post is unavailable. Should we even cover this?

No, that was. That was something about Service Titan.

Oh, okay.

Because it was Service titan. They priced 70 and then it went out at like 100 and 100.

And for a long time the tech IPOs would dip right after. It was rough and the spacs were like aggressively bad. And so, so many VCs were like, let's just stay private longer.

Yeah.

But now the game's back on. M and A is back on the menu. Lina Khan's out. IPOs are back on the menu.

Start Titans, start underwriting your seed investments to Decacorn Outcomes. It's okay to invest at 50 posts. Pre revenue, pre idea team. Just do it.

50 post. Wait, 50. 50 million going into the seed round?

Yeah.

250.

250, right?

Yeah, exactly.

Sorry, sorry.

We're building AI here, man. We need some cloud credits. Oh, this is a good one. But we're a little bit too deep in the post. Gary Tan says, I want this. I would fund this too. And it's Andrej Karpathy talking about building a tool to help you read along with a book. We talked about this last time, but Krish then says, I love you, G, but you guys literally rejected me. And he posted. He posts his. His company. But the beauty of YC, you can apply again.

Gary wants again.

DM him.

And if you want an AI reading companion, go to get. Get meaning.

Get meaning xyz/home and you really slash home, bro.

Yeah, and go get a meaning dot com.

And I mean, what a what a real poster. He included a link 2.5k likes real posters built different.

Yeah, different. Broke through respect.

Yeah. So, you know, never too late to apply to yc. You can always get in. Giggo Bioworks went through at like 200 million valuation. Promoted post.

Not a promoted post. I'm just going to jump in because this one is near and dear to my heart. I got a post from Dhruva Rohendra, close friend of mine. Yesterday, Dhruva and myself and the Deterrence team announced Deterrence, which is a new company leveraging robotics to manufacture energetics. So for anybody that's not heavy, heavy in defense. A lot of the high profile defense tech companies like Anduril have been going after these sort of very sexy programs like drones and autonomous submarines. And there hasn't been a player yet that's come out and made an effort to rebuild the sort of high volume manufacturing base. So for anything like, you know, munitions. In the case of deterrence, deterrence is first product is manufacturing primer, which is the explosive sort of like thing that, that starts the reaction in a, in a, in a bullet. Round in a bullet. Yeah. And so yeah, deterrence has been in the works for, let's see some, you know, Dhruva and Brian the, the founders had been working on this for, since last year at this point, but company got out and running earlier this year, built a fantastic team. And yeah, this is a company that I was fortunate enough to be involved with since probably six months prior to incorporation. So personally got a front row seat. And the team now is stacked. Tesla Palantir Rivian, bunch of, you know, incredible engineers and operators and ridiculous customer backlog. Like we were able to identify something that, that has a shocking amount of demand. And so if you're looking for a job, check us out. Deterrence.com got a number of positions open and this was a fun, fun round for me because my, my good friend Will Cofield who's here in LA led led the round. $10 million in total financing. And a bunch of friends of the podcast participated as well. Heston Berkman, Jack Dreyfus, people like that. So very exciting and it was good to finally get this out. It's always, it's always, it's always a strange thing when you've been working on something in silence for oftentimes more than a year. And so to finally get out there and see the reaction is great. So good work to the deterrence team. And yeah, this is one to follow.

Fantastic. Let's go to Avi Schiffman. He says there's nothing more nauseating than a Tesla Uber. And you had some comments on this.

What's wrong with Tesla Ubers?

Break it down.

So being in Malibu, like Uber is super unreliable. So I always have to like I have a driver that will take me to the airport and I had to tell him like, stop picking me up in your Tesla. Because yes, it's like, you know, maybe environmentally friendly and this convenient, modern features or whatever, but it's just so nauseating sitting in the back. And a lot of people don't have been slow to sort of realize why this is the obvious one is the acceleration. Teslas have like the acceleration of like a Turbo S, but like even like throughout like the full like it's just like way too much acceleration for the average person. It's like driving an F1 car on the street. The regenerative braking, so the, the car automatically braking creates this, to, to sort of recharge the battery, creates this effect where it's this fast acceleration and then you take your foot off the gas and it sort of breaks aggressively more so than, than if you just let it sort of coast. And then the big one, that, that the. I should put on my tinfoil hat. Put on my tinfoil hat on to maybe protect me from some EMFs. But Tesla's just emit like a ridiculous amount of EMF, which is, you know, sort of low level radiation. A lot of people say that it doesn't have any negative effects, but there's quite a lot of evidence that it might. And you can actually go on YouTube and just search like Tesla EMF reading. And in most Teslas the EMF levels are much higher in the back seat. So when you're sitting in the back seat you're getting like ma. You're basically getting microwaved. And then the car is like, you know, accelerating, decelerating. It's not a very. Yeah, not a very amazing experience. So.

And it's probably something people don't notice if they're in the front seat because they're look. Eyes in the road. Well, yeah, it's like you rarely get carsick when you're driving.

Yeah, exactly. So if you're driving and you're the one on the gas.

And then also a lot of the Uber drivers are just trying to get there as fast as possible. So they're going to be really pushing the acceleration and braking to get there faster because they want to do the next ride. Whereas if you're driving yourself, you might be a little bit more leisurely.

But I want to see. I know that there's stuff Tesla can do to mitigate emf. Some other car manufacturers have made efforts on this, so I'd like to see them prioritize it because I don't have anything against Tesla as manufacturer. I think it's great.

Let's go to dudes posting their W's. He says buddy is the most condescending word in dude culture. And there's a meme that shows a hierarchy. Guys that say big Dog are at the top. Guys that say bro and man are after that. And then sir, bruh, Chief, dude, son, and Fella and Buddy are at the bottom.

So Bud, Bud and Buddy are just so much farther than Chief. I don't I don't think chief is derogatory, but.

Yeah, well, it's about the. It's about the hierarchy. Like, are you. Like, when you say big dog, that's like a sign of respect, Sir. Chief, these are boss Champ, these are. You're. You're paying respects upward. Then there's brother, which is equivalent. Man equivalent dude, sir, even. But then when you go son, that's younger, and buddy is like what you call your dog. And so it's like, are you talking down to people? Are you talking up to them or showing a sign of respect?

Son can also be used in the right context. Can be, you know, positive.

Damn, son. Like that.

No, more like, here, come on, son, I'll teach you.

Still very negative.

Yeah, but it can be. But it's more familial. Like. Yeah, it's got a more positive connotation.

But that's why technology. I think we're all equal here.

Yeah, we're all equal. I do think that if a VC calls their portfolio founder bud, they should be diluted to zero. Like, there should be like some type of new round with structure done to just dilute them to zero because it's so condescending and should. Should be taken out of the vocabulary entirely.

That's great. This is interesting. Word grammar says most of Peter Thiel and Paul Graham's advice is directly contradict each other. You have to pick a side. Trying to follow both is a good way to make sure you end up following neither.

Word grammar. I'd never seen him until this post. Him or her. But a great post and perfectly controversial.

Yeah.

Which is why the engagement seems strong.

Yeah, I mean, I think that the. I mean, the funds are set up wildly differently. What?

Yeah, I was gonna say you're perfectly qualified for this. Been through YC twice. Work with Peter, work at Founders Fund.

Yeah. So, I mean, the funds are set up wildly differently. Like, YC invests in thousands of companies. Founders Fund is extremely picky, and they're trying to teach you two different things. I think YC is effectively just, can you start a business? And by the end of yc, you like most of those founders, unless they mess something up, they will have a company like a business. I Talked to a YC founder that went through. They tried to build some SaaS product, and then they wound up. It didn't. They didn't really have traction. They wound up just being a software consultancy.

Yeah.

And so the guy makes a great living as a software consultancy. And it's just like a lifestyle business, essentially. It's great. Whereas the Founders Fund teal model is very, very narrowly selected for monopoly power, power modes, or power law outcomes. Can this be a trillion dollar company?

Yeah, it's not underwriting. It's not underwriting. Oh, we think this can be. They can IPO and have a $10 billion market cap. It's. Are we going to still want to invest in this company at a $200 billion valuation?

Exactly, exactly. So that's just a wildly different question. And you would never get that in a YC interview. Like, oh, like, let's make sure that you can. That it's plausible that this could be a trillion dollar company. No, it's like, are you an interesting hacker? Are you building something? Do you want to build?

Yeah. And the cool thing is that YC generates a number of power law companies. Right. Coinbase, Lucy.

Yeah.

Airbnb, Stripe. So they still generate these Tealian companies. Yes, and Founders Fund will back those companies, but it's just a much different method.

Let's just continue with word grammar because this one's great. God cursed Peter Thiel by making him Silicon Valley's biggest tech guru. Now, the minute he says something, millions of tech bros listen and agree with him. Because of his curse, he will never be able to be a contrarian ever again. So this is interesting and this is somewhat true, but there are plenty of things that he doesn't say publicly.

Yeah, it's a timing mismatch.

Yeah, exactly.

He's gonna say. He's gonna make everyone believe what he wants them to believe when it is convenient.

Yeah, it's timing mismatch. More just in the sense of like. Like, there's clearly ideas that he's talking about with his inner circle. Then workshopping in private events. Then there's. Then there's private dinners where these ideas go out, and then maybe like six months to a year later, it's on a podcast.

Yeah. And so, yeah, it's a very intentional. He. I would say he's understanding the weight of his words and being very intentional with how he rolls out that messaging.

Yep.

To not come out and be too dogmatic about one thing.

Yep, yep, yep.

Yeah, too early.

I mean, we. Yeah, we heard a. We heard a talk by him recently in Miami and it was very clear that that was something that was still being workshopped with a team.

And we've talked about this offline. But. But the. It's still contrarian to actually follow zero to one's approach to a T, where most, most investors will say, oh, we're contrarian. We're only investing in power law monopoly companies. But then they'll do like a run of the mill, like B2B SaaS company still.

Right.

And so they're not actually like fully embodying that approach.

Yeah. And I, I, my, my, my takeaway from zero to one is always like if you read the book and you really apply it to your business, like what you're meant to do, what you're enjoying building, the answer might not be don't start a company. It might just be don't raise venture capital.

Yeah.

And there, and YC is not that check. But there are plenty of companies that get through YC and then they don't need to raise because they're not building in that zero to one playbook sense. And that's okay. Yeah, but, but it just, it wouldn't, it wouldn't count in that metric. Let's go to Deedee Didi says, just learned that WhatsApp has not 10, not 20, but 150 designers all working tirelessly to make sure the app looks exactly the same as it did in 2014. 92k likes.

Yeah. So this is crazy because the X design team, which now includes my dear friend Brandon Jacoby, who you've covered on the show before, the X design team, I think is under five people. Like, it's some like, tiny, tiny, much more complicated product, I would say in many ways to run a social app.

Yep.

Than a messaging app. Even though WhatsApp has plenty of social features. So anyways, this goes back to what we've talked about before. Why haven't more companies done the Elon and just cut like 80% of people? But I guess WhatsApp being part of Meta now, maybe it doesn't have the same incentive.

Yeah. I also wonder if like a lot of those designers are working on like little new projects, like ad integrations, because the core product does look the same. But there's a lot of like designers.

Every simple product is deeply complex. Yeah.

All the different onboarding flows and like little screens that you don't see and you never really interact with. But yeah, 150 is a lot of designers for an app that's pretty basic. It feels basic. But yeah. I mean, Facebook has a long history of stuffing features in these apps. Like Instagram used to just be photos. Now there's like 25 different tabs.

I do. Do you have to give them credit for keeping Instagram Instagram like they've like 100x the features and it's still the core functionality of going There to see what's likely the most interesting posts for me at that moment in time. Profile still fairly clean. So credit to them for that.

Let's go to Lee Jacobs. He says when Chase Locke Miller first told me about Crusoe, I said, wait, you are turning large fireballs from the ground into bitcoin in North Dakota? What started as that absurd idea is now the leading full stack AI inference company excited for the new fuel from our friends at Founders Fund. That is crazy. Do you know the story of Crusoe? Like how they started?

I don't know. I don't know the full. I only know that Lee was.

And so Crusoe, they, they. The whole play was like finding stranded energy and then using that for compute to power supercomputers. Very cool. And so what they did was they found natural gas plants where they have to flare the gas and so there's excess gas that comes off. They can't capture it. It's just going to burn. And that's bad for emissions. So instead they burn it and they turn it into energy. Then they can use to power the computers. And at the time the most valuable use for, for cheap energy was mining bitcoin.

Yeah.

So they started there and then obviously I came up and the bitcoin mining business has kind of taken a backseat to the AI infrastructure now.

That's very cool.

So yeah. And then they crazy like second and third act for that company. That was only possible because they took the path they did. And for a long time people were kind of like, oh, you're like a bitcoin mining company. Like this isn't interesting during the downturn and now that the AI booms here.

It'S like we gotta all the, all the VCs that probably passed when they were, you know, doing something that was less on narrative. But we joked about this earlier, but you said the Crusoe founder said some of these foundation models would burn whale blubber if they could. So desperate for energy. So desperate for energy. This goes back to just energy being one of the kind of core foundational layers of the AI value chain.

Just today I saw Satya Nadella was doing a, some sort of interview press conference for no press conference for Microsoft. He said that they're no longer GPU poor or like GPU bound.

Like yeah.

And everyone's like, oh, bear case for Nvidia. Like they have all that they need. I don't think it's that. I think that they're buying the maximum. And now they've hit a different bottleneck which is probably energy.

Yeah.

Which is crazy. Do we have a promoted post?

Promoted post from our friend Delian over at Varda. He says if you want to come work for me, the teams I work with most at Varda is expanding. If you've worked in gov and policy, come help us make space factories a reality. It takes legislation as much as it takes nuts and bolts to make this crazy thing a reality. He puts a link in the next tweet. They have a fantastic role available. Government affairs manager. They're going to be based in Washington D.C. so if you have experience in working the government and you know, they go over some of the requirements here. But Varda has just been taking of a couple, you know, crazy idea and then just ruthlessly executing against it, getting contracts, proving out that. That this is very real and happening. So awesome opportunity for the right person.

The only downside is if you take that job, Delian will probably refer to you as a swamp creature. I was out in D.C. once with him and he was like, oh yeah, I'll introduce you to our swamp creature. Our head of. Our head of government. He's like, he's so swampy. He's been in the swamp for years. He's the best. It's a term of endearment, but it's very silly. Let's go to Mark Sisson. He says, when I heard the New York Times was suing OpenAI for using its archives as training data, I knew relying on LLMs as arbiters of truth was fucked beyond all recognition.

So real. So real. I mean, yeah, I think you have to. Models do a good job of processing broadcast. I don't know, you could argue maybe they don't do a good job, but they're aware of bias and trying to piece together what they imagine is the truth. But it's the same thing, same end thing that an individual is doing of looking at multiple sources and trying to piece together the truth. The truth is it's hard to nail down oftentimes in the world that we're in. But yeah, you certainly. This goes back to. There's a company out there called DEXA that I think is interesting and it'll. They basically scrape all the binger podcasts and so you can ask, what does Mark Huberman think about this? You know, gluten.

Right.

And then. And so this goes back to. In the era of models.

Yeah.

You're still going to go back to individuals. So I'm going to trust. I'm going to trust the experts more.

Huberman.

No, but like, like, yeah, obviously joking. But like, Mark is a good example where I want to know what Mark Sisson thinks about. About seed oils.

Right.

I don't want to know what, what OpenAI thinks about it because they're probably going to say, well, popular science says that there's no issue with seed oil. Yeah.

And he's calling out New York Times. And there's been some crazy, crazy quotes in the New York Times recently about health. Like, I really would trust Huberman way more than New York Times.

Yeah.

Didn't they say, like, ultra process foods aren't bad for you? It's like, yeah, so I can just eat Oreos all day long. Like, this is Nutrition 101.

Trust, trust.

You shouldn't be eating Cheetos all the time. This is not like some contrarian crazy idea. This is like pretty basic. Anyway, we have some breaking news, folks. Lucy Guo has broken her silence. She has not posted in hours, but she just dropped a banger pod with Molly o'. Shea. The queen of LA is talking about the creator economy. She's the founder of Passes and we encourage you to go check out the podcast.

And Lucy was also posting yesterday that she has millions of dollars in short term capital gains and she's looking to marry somebody who has millions of dollars in losses. That's ideally local to la. And so you. And the two of you would be able to split the savings and then. And presumably get divorced soon afterwards, but have millions of dollars in short term losses. Go hit up Lucy. She's got a solution for you to make some of that back.

Fantastic. Let's move on to Daniel Tenrero. I need to learn how to pronounce his last name. He says the Robin Hood foundation is running a stock picking contest for donors. And the leaderboard is truly a work of art. Put it in the Louvre. And the leaderboard is Bill Ackman at the top with a total return of over 100%. His long pick was Fan. Fannie Mae and his short sector was financials.

Wait, so is this. This is put on by Robinhood?

No, the Robin Hood foundation with a space. And the funny thing here is that number two is Mark Gallant. And his long pick was Robinhood, the company.

Wow.

And his short pick was Communications. And then Microstrategy was the long pick for Mark Gallant again. And. And David Einhorn picked Peloton.

Wait, do you have back. I actually am not familiar with the Robin Hood Foundation.

I. I'm not familiar either. It's. I think it's just a.

This is why you come to the technology brothers folks, get the deep analysis and backstory. So if you know what the Robin Hood foundation is, let us know in the YouTube comments.

It's probably literally in the second post here in thread, but I didn't study for this one. We phoned it in, folks. This is an interesting one. Zach Coelio says coleus. Is that how you pronounce it?

I don't know.

I wish I knew. Zach says played credit card roulette for the, for the dinner bill last night with a bunch of VCs and it was surprising how uncomfortable a bunch of them were. What happened to the degen gambler mentality of our asset class? For a neutral EV bet is such a no brainer.

Such a no brainer. I love playing that game.

Well, it's not always neutral ev, because what if you're the one that ordered the moat, drank the most wine, ordered the most, housed all the appetizers? It could be extremely positive for you. So maybe the people that were sheepish, they just had a little salad on the side and they're like, ah, I'm gonna get burned here.

I'm burned. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I just go into that. You want to be going to dinners where you would happily pay for everybody and still feel like it was a good just exchange, right? Because you're going for the company. It's not about the food, it's not about how much you ate, it's not about how much you drank. It's about who you were there with and what deals you got done.

That's great. Do we have any more promoted posts?

I got a promoted post from the number one business podcast in the world.

Oh, this is fantastic.

David Senra with Founders Podcast. He gave a great summary of the book how to Make a Few Billion Dollars, which we've talked about before on the show. Brad Jacobs, he did it. He did a whole. He did a whole interview with Brad Jacobs. You called this out last time, but some of the most iconic founders now are actually living and breathing. And so David can just hang out with them and hear it straight from the horses, from the Thoroughbred's mouth, from the stallion's mouth, from the stallion's mouth, from the eventing horse's mouth, from the dressage horse's mouth. If you haven't seen our gift guide, go check it out. We talk about the different horses that you should be gifting your friends. But a couple highlights out here. Narrow your focus to the most important dreams and tune out everything else. Two, the most important thing a CEO does is recruit superlative people. Three, an empty seat is less damaging than a poor fit. Four, resist the urge to flood communications with non essential information. And five, if you want to make money in the business world, you need to get used to problems because that what, that's what business is, solving problems. The problem we're solving on this podcast is tech. Tech. One didn't have a podcast and the tech adjacent podcast all in wasn't monetizing. Right. So you couldn't get in front of that audience. This is how you're getting in front of the similar audience. So there's five or sorry, five more that I'm not going to say here, but go listen to Founders podcasts. It is the number one business podcast. And thank you to David Senra for being on the our board and supporting our show.

The godfather of podcasting. Let's stay on podcasts and close with some news from Dextero. They say Buzzfeed has sold the show hot ones for 82. $82.5 million. So I mean that would be a down round for us if we, if we sold for 82, we wouldn't even.

Clear the press on that.

Yeah, I know that'd be rough, but good for them. I hope they, I hope, I hope they did okay.

That wasn't, that wasn't that. That feels, I feel like it was originally reported that they were trying to sell it for like 30 or something like that.

Oh really?

So it seemed that that's coming in a lot higher because I think a lot of people just looked at that and they said the show was so reliant on the host that how do you really attach enterprise value unless you're locking him up for a pretty extreme time period. So maybe they figured out a way to do that. But it's funny because BuzzFeed, I think was. Weren't they trading at less than that or something? They were trading nothing. Thought they were trading at like $20 million.

Well, well, that's the equity value. And so I think Buzzfeed has debt. And so even if they sold this for 82, they might still.

Yeah, they were using. They were using BuzzFeed to. Or they were using this to pay their debt.

Yeah, makes sense. I do Wonder.

Trading at 126 now. But they were.

Yeah. I do wonder about if there's, if there is asset value beyond Sean Evans because his, I mean he obviously is a great host there, but his style is very much like ask the question and then kind of get out of the way. And there have been Talk shows in the past that have had asset value beyond the core host. I think the best example is probably Late Night, which traded hands from Jay Leno to Conan o' Brien in this very dramatic situation where then Conan got pulled and Leno came back. You heard of this whole story. It's like the late night wars. And so but that's, that's very tied to. There is. There are only 24 hours in the day there. There's going to be a late night show that's on Monday through Friday. And there's only three spots for late night. It's like 10pm, 11pm, midnight. And then you get into the Late Late show that has no value. And if you go earlier, you're in prime time and you want to be showing like scripted stuff. Yeah. And so there's only for a while it was like there were only four channels like NBC, abc, fox, CBS or whatever. And so there were really only like 10 slots for late night shows that would do interviews for adults after the kids go to bed, that type of stuff. But with the Internet, obviously there can be unlimited interview shows, unlimited podcasts. And so buzz like Hot Ones has obviously built like this incredible brand. It was originally with Complex, then sold to buzzfeed. It's traded hands a few times now. Will be interesting to see where this goes. I mean, it doesn't seem like Sean Evans is stopping anytime soon. And it seems like they must have got him a great deal. And I Bet part of that 82 was, you know, built into his contract and predatory on a great contract there. So always interesting to see what's going on in the podcast world, but we got to wrap up. We got a lot to do.

Got to get on with Taipei, I think.

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