Meet Katie Hauck - Mom, Author, and Evangelist

Welcome everyone. I have Katie Hawk here. I'm so excited to have her on the channel today. I've known Katie for a little while, but I had an opportunity to sit down with her and talk with her. She's an amazing woman of God. She's got some incredible ministries that she's been doing out of her hometown, some stuff that just even as I heard it blew me away. She's got a full-blown ministry with content. She's like a mom, a published author, just an evangelist. I mean, just an amazing woman of God. So I'm excited to have you, Kathy, here and talking about your story, your testimony, and all that God is having you do today.

Thank you. I'm so excited to be here with you. It's been such a joy getting to know you, and I'm just really excited to be here, um, talking with you.

Thank you. I'm excited for you to be here. Uh, I, I know that Um, we haven't actually known each other for a really long time, but we know that kind of like our paths have kind of been parallel and God's been really blessing you guys in a lot of different ways. And it's exciting because I got a chance to kind of meet you, I think about a year ago, and kind of just started to see all the things that you were doing for the kingdom of God. It's just been amazing. And now what he's been doing recently is just kind of like a leveling up season. And just even going further. And I know it's all he's doing. It's like, it's like a plateau that he's gonna, he's gonna get you on and then establish a bunch of things and then just kind of take you further. And I'm just excited to see where you're going to go here, even in the next couple months. So why don't you take a couple minutes and give a little background about yourself, maybe give your testimony? I know that you've, you got a ton of content you put out, so I'm sure there's some awesome things. And, and just give us some background, like how you met the Lord, how you're walking today, and just kind of give people, you know, to get to know you a little bit.

Sure. Well, thank you. Um, there's a million ways I could go with this. Uh, let's see, I'll tell you a little bit about me, and then I'll go back and share a little bit about how I came to know the Lord. Um, I am married to the love of my life. We live in East Tennessee, moved here from the Chicago area about 6 years ago. Um, absolutely love it. Live on a small Most of the time when you meet someone for the first time, that's sort of their first question, like, where are you from? And then their next question is, how many kids do you have? I get that a lot. That's a really hard question for me to answer. I know that's weird. Normally I just say a lot because that number changes. But let me explain. My husband adopted his first wife's son, and then he had 2 biological children with her. I had 2 biological children with my first husband, and we got divorced and met my husband. We got married, had 2 biological children, then we adopted 2 children. Now we've brought 2 children in through the foster care system. We've brought along others that aren't legally ours, but we claim. Add in children-in-law and grandchildren, and we're in the process of trying to bring a couple more home. And so, as you can see, it's very hard to answer that question. In my life, I used to be ashamed of that story and that testimony. Yeah. I would hope that, like my husband, when people would ask how many kids, I would just try to like kind of pretend like they were ours and we had this big happy family. But he's just blunt. And so he would tell everybody. And I was a little bit embarrassed or ashamed, but that really led to my ministry because what the Lord spoke to me one day was, Katie, all of these pieces of your life came from brokenness. But I can take the broken and put it together and make it so beautiful when you just trust me. And it was in that moment that all of my shame disappeared, all of my past and the things that I'd been through that I was embarrassed about. The Lord said, no, I'm taking and making this beautiful picture of your life and of your family, and I'm going to use you in a really special way. And so that is sort of what developed my ministry of just showing people that it doesn't matter what brokenness you came from, it doesn't matter where you were. Give it to the Lord and let him make something really beautiful from it.

Yeah, that's awesome. You got like a tribe there. Yeah. But yeah, tell me more about like the, the process that you went through too, because like, because a lot of people struggle with that and the condemnation that they would feel. And that's like, that's a beautiful part of your story.

Yes. The process of turning that shame into beauty is that so yeah, you know, I It took the Lord. And I didn't grow up in a Christian home, and so I didn't have that foundation. And so my parents were married their whole lives, and everyone I knew was married, like wonderful, wonderful people, just worldly, because we weren't saved, we weren't part of church. And so when I was the first one in my family to go through divorce, that was hard. And I would have friends come to me and they would say, it's okay, it's all part of God's plan. And I would think to myself, well, I don't really know God very well. I didn't know Jesus at all. But how could this be his plan? How could his plan be for me to be broken? And so I started sort of seeking him. Like, this can't be God's plan for me to go through this traumatic marriage, this divorce, the hurt, and the things that I went through. That can't be his plan. So I started seeking him and getting to know him more. And in it, I discovered that, like, the world is broken, right? We live in brokenness. Mm-hmm. God says when you turn to him, it's not his plan for us to be broken, but when you give him our brokenness, like Romans 8:28, he can work all things together for the good of those who love him. So it wasn't his plan for me to go through a divorce, to be a single mom, to have gone through trauma, but he said, I can, I can turn it around and I can give it to your good and your glory. And what he's done is absolutely beautiful. And that doesn't mean that every day was easy, right? Every storm that I went through, He walked through with me. Every fire that I went through, He walked through with me. And it's just saying, Lord, I don't know what's going on here, and this is hard, and I'm struggling with condemnation. I'm struggling with judgment. And He says, just think about Me. Just keep your eyes on Me. I'm the one who matters. Let Me do a work in you and just release that to Me. And that's just what I did. And He's done amazing things.

Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. It's interesting whenever we go through that, like the Lord had kind of had me go through it, all the things that are successes, all our failures, and all even the desires. Like, that's the thing is we're all made unique in Christ, and those things that we've done as a part of our walk kind of shape us as a person. And that is what God brings together and just kind of just Molds us into who we are and allows us to kind of move forward. And because, you know, you talked about Romans, like Romans 8:1, therefore there is now— there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. And when you understand that, you're like, oh, I am called to be a leader, or oh, I am called to do this, or I am called to be an entrepreneur or an author. And it's okay because that's what God put inside of me and just gifted me for. It's amazing. Uh, why don't you walk through some of the things like— so you talked about your, your testimony and how you came to Jesus. How did that translate? So going from that to a ministry, like the steps that you went through, like how did you figure out like your calling and, and the things that you did? Because, you know, you're— when, when people get a chance to look at your website, they're going to be like, wow, this is like incredible, it's like a first-class organization. But I'm sure you kind of had to start with a focal point and then you just kept adding from there. So like, why don't you walk through like what that journey was like for someone that may have wanted to kind of maybe want to go through that themselves, or just understand what your ministry does?

So if I'm being completely vulnerable, I'll say that because I didn't grow up in church, when I first got saved, I was 27 years old and I decided I need to know the God that I now serve. I need to understand him. And so I started trying to read my Bible and I started with the New Testament because everyone said that's easier. And that was kind of fun, like to read the stories of Jesus and then the letters and, you know, Revelation was confusing, but that's okay. Then I jumped back to Genesis and Genesis was okay. And then Exodus, and then I hit Leviticus, and I'm like, what am I reading? You know? And then by the time I got to like some of the historical books, I'm reading this without a foundation. And I'm going, all I'm seeing is judgment and death and killing. And I actually said, I don't know if I even like the God I claim to serve. And so I decided, you know, I'm just not going to read my Bible. Because then I won't know Him, and I'll just trust what my pastor tells me. And so I closed my Bible, and I put it down for years, and I only knew what the pastor said to me. I never opened my Bible. And one day the Holy Spirit said, read your Bible. And I was like, I can't. Like, I don't understand it, and it's confusing.

Yep.

And He said, let me help you. And so I just prayed before I read it, and I'm like, Lord, open my spiritual eyes. Let me understand the things that I'm reading. Show me deep mysteries about You. And so I reread the Bible. And instead, this time, I saw it through the lens of the Holy Spirit. I saw patience. I saw goodness. I saw just this beautiful love of the Lord and how desperately He wanted us to get it right, and how we're the ones who messed up over and over, and how long-suffering He was. And it was just this beautiful thing. And I thought, I'm not the only person like this. I'm not the only person that didn't understand Scripture, that didn't have this foundation. And so my ministry first started with Like, I would read the story of, of, you know, Noah's Ark, and I'm like, I thought he was on the ark 40 days. I didn't know it was more than a year, you know. So I started this Facebook page, like, did you know this? And, and that just started picking up traction. And that's what originally started. And then the Lord said, I want you to walk people through every book of the Bible and every section of the Bible. And I was like, I'm sorry, you want what? Like, I don't know that. Uh-huh. I spent a year studying and writing and actually created my first book. It was just a workbook, but it has 90 videos that literally break down— because I needed to understand this as a whole. I couldn't just open up John 14 and start reading. Like, I needed to know why is that in there? Why is that book in there? Who was he talking to? And so I spent a year creating 90 videos and a workbook that shows me what each book is, why it's there, who wrote it, how it fits into God's overall story. Wow. And then from there, he's just taken me on a wild journey.

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I, I— that's what you said resonates with me a lot because I've had a lot of people come up to me, Christians, baby Christians, people have been walking with God for, for many, many years, and they forget that it's not in their own power to understand what the Holy Spirit, you know, inspired the authors to write. It's within the power of the Holy Spirit to unlock what's there. And that's really powerful because that allows you as the opportunity to kind of bridge that gap for people because now you can explain it in a way that you learned it so that they can learn it too. And I love the videos too because, you know, you're, you're a big content creator, you put out a lot of stuff. And because people learn differently, that there's like, they learn by reading, they learn by being taught, they learn by, you know, visually too. And so having that spectrum to teach the people is really important. And so when you, when you're, as you're out there ministering, you know, to the folks, your ministry is like very diverse and vast in many different ways. Um, what, when you're targeting people, like, what are you trying to, like, the, the basically the story you're trying to convey? We know it's Jesus-centered, but also like there's, there's aspects where you're trying to, to kind of edify some folks, uh, both by teaching and evangelism. And why don't you walk through some of the things that you've done? And also, if you know you've got some You've talked about, like, you know, we know you're a published author, so, you know, your books and stuff and how that kind of presents itself. Because as you've morphed the ministry from that starting point till now, you've kind of just generated a ton of, like, content. You're kind of like, you're like a female John Bevere.

Well, that is quite a compliment. I, I, the Lord has taken me on a journey because the more that I came to know him, the more that I started to recognize what people struggle the most with, and that is feeling loved. I think we deal a lot with rejection in this world. I think the world has twisted our understanding of what love is. And until you've felt the true genuine love of Jesus Christ, like, you don't know what love is. And so first the Lord took me to my very first— I call it mini book, and I have one here. It's just this little tiny book.

Uh-huh.

It's called Are You a Mary or Martha? Because I'm a Martha. I'm very goal-oriented. I'm very, very task-oriented. I will add things to my to-do list so that I can check them off and feel good that I got another checkmark.

That's awesome.

But I always felt like less than a Mary, because in that story, you know, when they're like, well, she chose the right thing. And so then I always felt less than, and I always felt like I needed to be someone else. And so the Lord showed me this beautiful way that He loves His children uniquely. And so that was the first time He showed me another story in Scripture. with Mary and Martha in it and how he responded differently to each of them because he created them in a way and he responded to them in a different way. And he showed me that I don't need to try to be a Mary, and a Mary doesn't try to need to be, um, like me. Yes. That he created us individually and uniquely. And so that was the first thing. But then I kept going with the whole love theme, and he showed me how through my motherhood and through all of these children that I was bringing into my home, how my love for them was different and unique, but also how His love for us is unique. And He gave me this beautiful picture of His love, like a mother loves their child. And we talk about God as our Father all the time, but this was just a different piece of that, because we know He created man and woman in His image. And so moms have characteristics that dads don't have. And I've been able to adopt children and foster children and have children. And so He showed me through that a different picture of his love. And so I have a series out there that we launched on Mother's Day just about that, and I'm in the process of writing a book to dig deeper into that. But then he started showing me these— this brokenness and these people feeling unloved and feeling like they've gone too far away to be loved. And so, uh, I, I started creating videos. I work a lot with our Celebrate Recovery programs. I work in the jails, and I started doing these interviews with people who had overcome, um, a lot of real trials. They're called You Are Loved because my biggest thing in my ministry, that through all of this— to answer the question— all of this has morphed into I want people to know that they're loved, period. Yeah. It doesn't matter what they've done. It doesn't matter how far they've gone. God loves them. He desires to be in a relationship with them. It is never too late because it's not about us. It's about him. It's about who He is and what He's done, not who we are or what we've done. And so the first point, you are loved no matter what. But what do you do with that? You love others. That's point number 2. Now that you know you're loved, go love others, right? Because that's what He calls us to do, love His other children. But I think it's really hard to know that you're loved or to love others if you don't know God. So my third point of my ministry is like, read your Bible, read your Bible, understand it, get to know Him. Dig in, because not until you do that can you actually fulfill points 1 and 2, accepting how loved you are and loving other people in return. So the foundation has to be get into your Word.

Yeah, and that's key because that's part of what we, we talk about a lot on our channel too, because we talk about the 4 pillars of Christianity. And you're studying the Word, reading the Word, that's core, that's one pillar. You know, your prayer life, listening prayer, which was what Mary was emulating, was listening prayer. As well as, you know, having forms of radical prayer. You can't be afraid to ask for something. And then you've got the worship side of things, the praise, and then you've got to walk it out. And so that's pretty awesome. Talk about the— when an extension of that for you is like what you have for the prison ministry or the jail ministry, where you have tablets that go into these different places and you're ministering to the people that have kind of You know, may have made a bad choice and now they're caught. And now you have an opportunity to minister to them because now they're seeing their videos, you're seeing your teachings. This is like a next-level ministry, in my opinion, because that's part of what Jesus talked about, is discipling those in really bad places, because Jesus wasn't afraid to go to them. And, and that's where, where you're at too.

Yeah. Um, let me tell you how my heart got there. Um, because a couple years ago, I wasn't in a position where I wanted to disciple the people who'd made those bad choices. I was volunteering for an organization where we helped children who were in the foster care system, and I saw some really tough things. And there was this one particular mother who had done some really bad things to her daughter. And to be honest, I hated her. Like, I hated her. This little girl that she had, she kind of looked like me, and I didn't have a daughter yet. at the time. And so I just wanted to take this girl home. And I literally hated this woman. And a few years went by and this woman moved into a property. I'm a property manager. And my attitude was like, kick her out. I don't want her. I want nothing to do with her. Right? Mm-hmm. And so that was— I'm just being vulnerable. Like, that's where my heart was. But I have prayed 10,000 times, probably the same prayer over and over and over. I say, Lord, Give me Your eyes so that I can see people the way You see them, so that I can love them the way You love them. And I have prayed that over and over and over and over. And I remember when my oldest stepdaughter invited me to Celebrate Recovery, and I had a little bit of judgment because I'm not recovering, you know, is what I thought. Like, I've never been in addiction, but I'll go along with her and just see. Anyway, I can remember being overwhelmed by the people there and their love and just their excitement for the Lord, their passion and their fire. And I sat down with this couple, and this couple had made some really bad choices, and they lost their kids, but they were fighting to get their kids back. And I was like, you can do this, like, I believe in you, let's do it. And I'm encouraging them, and all of a sudden the Lord spoke to me and he said, I gave you my eyes.

Yeah.

And so I saw them the way that he saw them, and it radically changed everything for me. And I'm like, this is who He wants me to love. And so I started, like, I'm a huge fan of Celebrate Recovery. I volunteer at hours every week. I teach at it. And that our church, that's at our church. Our church was able to get right before COVID tablets into 27 correctional facilities, and I think it's 3 different states. And our church services and our Celebrate Recovery services are the only free thing that they can watch. Anything else, the inmates have to pay for. And so they're watching our services. I'm seeing the results of that. And so now I mentor a lot of the people who have gotten out of jail and gone into maybe a rehab program. I meet with a women's home every week, and I'm discipling with them. And I'm doing these interviews called You Are Loved, and it's literally people that went through a program. Most of them were in jail. Most of them were in addiction. They dealt with a lot of trauma. And so I just interview them and hear about how they met the Lord and how the Lord helped them overcome. And so we have 30 of those videos out. And I went to my church and I'm like, these need to be on the tablets. And my church is awesome. And they said, we'll figure out a way. And so now those are going into the jails. They're on the tablets. They're also free for everyone to watch because they're such beautiful stories of hope. These people that I'm interviewing, they have overcome things that the rest of us, like, have never even thought about having to overcome. And it just gives you such hope for a future. And that's what the Lord has for us, right? Yes. Jeremiah 29:11. And so, um, it's just been an incredible honor and a blessing, um, to be able to work with people that so much of the world would have just thrown away, and to have a true genuine love For these people. Like, they're my favorite.

The stories are awesome too. I, I, I want— I think my personal favorite, which is quite humorous, is the lady who was, uh, with her friend where they were drinking, they got drunk, and then they, they bet each other to go to church, and then she re-encountered Jesus there. And, and kind of that's her story. And it's, um, pretty amazing, some of the stories that you see, because They're, they're relatable. And because people are going through real things and no matter, you know, even for us content creators, as we put stuff on, like there's a lot of folks that will watch this and say, wow, this is amazing. But the journey to get here and the choices and the things that we've had to do and the hurdles we've had to overcome, and God's been so gracious. It's, it's powerful. It's, it's amazing. But the thing that I really liked is, and I kind of want to maybe almost go one step backwards because I think this is going to be really important. for a lot of people, and I think for herself, is the— your identity in Christ is very, very core in, in how he sees you. Because he doesn't see people through the lens that we see people, because he knows the giftings he's given them. He knows the talents they've had. You know, he talks about this in his scriptures. He loves them more than there are, you know, sand granules on every single beach, on every single sea. So the thoughts that he has is just Mind-blowing. And so when he looks at someone, he doesn't see through Jesus, he doesn't see the sin, but he sees the person that he had created and wanted to be able to, um, you know, grow in and mature in him. And how did that, like, your walk and, and seeing yourself through that same lens and seeing yourself as Jesus sees you, how did that transform your view of yourself? Uh, whether that was confidence or understanding and maybe even your talents and expectations, and allow that to kind of, you know, bubble into your ministry and the work that you've done. Because when you're secure in your faith and who you are, now you can move forward. And a lot of that, the, the evil one will come against us for that. And I'm curious to see how, like, you learned that for yourself and then how you then apply that to others so that they can see that in themselves too.

Yeah, so it did. Understanding your identity in Christ is such a huge, huge necessity because we tend to let the world determine who we are, what our value is, what our worth is. And I think digging into His Word and really seeing what He says about us— and that's what I had to do. I had to make lists of, this is who He says I am, and this is what He says about me and about my future and about my life. And that's so important. But then in ministry, recognizing that things don't always— when you're talking to someone, it's not always what it looks like, because we also then want to use our worldly judgment sometimes with them. And the Lord showed me this amazing picture. I can talk about a vision here, right? Like, that's okay?

Yeah, absolutely.

You're not going to kick me

off? You should see some of the prophecy videos we put out. Like, there's some next-level stuff. We haven't released the future wars that he's been dropping in our spirit, but they're coming. So yeah, go ahead.

Okay, good. I didn't want to scare anybody away, but I was in my closet one time because he called me to love people the way that he loves me. And as you know, like, it's hard to love people. Like, people are hard to love. And so I'm literally in my prayer closet and I'm crying, which I don't cry. I'm a Martha. I don't cry, but I was. And I'm like weeping and I'm like, Lord. And that prayer that I said, I prayed it over and over and over. I'm like, Lord, give me your eyes. Give me your eyes. I want to see people the way you see them. I want to love people the way you love them. Give me your eyes. And I'm just repeating it over and over and over. And all of a sudden, I wasn't in my closet anymore. I was on this park bench.

Oh.

And Jesus was sitting next to me. And I'm looking around and I can see the streets and I see people walking and they're shopping and they're laughing and they're walking together. And I see this kind of this grassy area behind me and there are kids and playing and everyone's having a great time. And it's very colorful and very vivid and very loud and joyful. And I look over at Jesus, who's sitting next to me, and He's wearing glasses. And I'm like, Jesus doesn't need glasses. He has perfect vision. Yeah. But in that moment, He took the glasses off and He placed them on my face. And suddenly I saw what He saw. It was like He was giving me His eyes and everything changed. Everything became dark and dim. No one was laughing. No one was smiling. The kids were just laying in the grass instead of playing. The women who were shopping were like dragging their bags behind them. And I'm like, what is this? Why, why is everything dark? And I could see hearts, and their hearts in this area where your heart would be was darkness and blackness. Wow. And Jesus said, I see people Spiritually. I don't see what's on the outside. I don't see what they portray, what they want the world to see. I'm not judging them the way that the world would, that they're happy and smiling. I know what's going on in the inside. And He said, that's what I want you to see too. And so it just showed me how we need to view people. They may be laughing and acting like they have their lives together, but where are they spiritually? What's going on on the inside? Because that's what matters. And so knowing who I am in Christ, knowing that I have Him on the inside of me, that the Holy Spirit lives in me, and that that and that alone is what can reach into those people, that can change that darkness from the inside. It's not Katie Hawk. It's not what I look like on the outside, what I'm doing on the outside. But it's also not what they look like on the outside. It's what's going on on the inside and my allowing the Holy Spirit to work. Yeah. Spirit to seep through me to them, to reach the inner parts of them that, that brings them to life and out of darkness. So I'm not sure if I answered your question with that or not. I kind of went off on a tangent, but, um,

that was awesome. That was awesome. The thing about that, that a lot of people, uh, talk about is, is that the, the world will see with their own eyes, and then what God wants us to see is with our spiritual And the key thing to understand is when— is just knowing that. And it's more than just understanding that, hey, their hearts are heavy and there's a gap there. But we're made in God's image. What that means is that there's— there really is, there's a dependency for Him to fill those gaps. I think like recently on my, one of my inner healing journeys that I went through, is we got a chance to go through, um, some like different tests and talks about like people have done personality tests and like leadership tests, if they're familiar with those things. And what God does is that he will, he will, uh, what he'll do is he'll tilt a certain aspect of your emotion towards him. And what, what you're seeing is, is that those people are trying to fill that gap with something else. And ultimately it's a counterfeit, whether that's a form of addiction, whether that's drugs, gambling. There's just a litany of the things the world will want to kind of try to stuff in there. And then they're always burdened and they're always heavy and they're, they're always struggling. And there's always some level it manifests in stress and anxiety and mental issues. But then when you, like you said, when you can take the Holy Spirit that's in you and then just pour out into those people and fill them up, it— what it does is it's like the light bulb, their hearts It goes from a stone, you know, stone heart to a heart of flesh, and then they become alive, and then they become who Jesus wants them to be. And that's, that's the essence of what he's having you see, is that it's not only that they, that they need Jesus, but they, they need Jesus in order to be who they're called to be. And that's, I think, a core part of your ministry is like you see those people for who they're called and you're trying to do your part and just filling them with that, that beauty and stuff. Can you, can you walk me through like maybe a couple examples of how you've seen people receive Jesus that way? And like, they're, they're kind of like their testimony where they, where they've walked, uh, in this kind of the space of the world, and then they receive Jesus. And next thing you know, that either they're radically saved or they're just changed and they're transformed in ways that you're like, wow, this is incredible.

I, you know, I get to see it every single week at our Celebrate Recovery, which is amazing. I keep going back to that because there's never Not a more perfect picture of the Lord. A good friend of mine, he was in and out of prison his entire life. Drugs, violent, abusive. And he was facing a really hard prison sentence, and his daughter had died. And so he was angry. He didn't want to turn to God. And he said he was mad. At God, and people would say to him, well, you have to get saved or you'll end up in hell. And he said, my life is hell. I'm living in hell. I don't need to get saved to escape it. I'm already here. And so it wasn't until someone told him about the love of Christ and the love of a Father that he was actually interested in hearing the gospel message. And he actually got saved. And literally within such a short time, his prison sentence got changed down to almost nothing. Wow.

Oh, wow.

He started serving the Lord. He is one of the leaders at our Celebrate Recovery program right now. He works in a men's home that literally brings people out of addiction. He is the greatest evangelist I've ever met. Like, I could call him and say, hey, there's a guy on the corner that needs help, and he is in his car driving there to tell him about Jesus. Like, you can't— you can't— I mean, you can't make it up. You can't deny that only Jesus Christ could change a heart like that and change a trajectory of someone's Like, he was headed for prison forever with the path, or death, and now he's literally bringing people to Christ every single day. And so, like, I see story after story after story like that. It is so awesome, um, to, to be able to, to see those.

Yeah, it is exciting because that's the thing is, is that what What I've seen a lot of times with Christianity, and a lot of people believe Christianity— the world tries to lump Christianity as a religion and kind of categorize it and blend it in. But we know that Christianity at its core is a relationship with Jesus. That's the essence, and everything else is just extra. Those are just blessings that he provides because that's the essence of it. The Father owns everything, and therefore, since he owns it and we are hidden in Christ. We, we ourselves own it. And believing those things— why don't you talk about some of the things? Because when you— the, the thing about what I've noticed with people is whenever they're trying to understand their identity, is when they're looking at themselves, there's almost always— I'll hear, I'm not worthy, or some variant of that. Like, I can't do this, or I can't do that. I'm not smart enough. And when you finally catch the glimpse of the Lord, you get that spirit of faith and you get that spirit of excellence. All of a sudden, those questions turn into, well, I can, and I'm walking it out. And if I don't have it now, I'm going to receive it. How does that apply to the people that you're a part of? You're walking this out because now they no longer look like the world. They look like Jesus, and they're just moving mountains by their faith alone. Because they allow God to operate in the space that they're, they're trying to occupy. And, and how does that, like, a person who may have not experienced a miracle or a sign or a wonder, uh, to kind of just, you know, give them some comfort that like, hey, this God is still moving today and he's moving in powerful ways. And the testimonies would, you know, obviously always edify him. So what have you seen in like those people that you're like, Wow, this is game-changing. Like, because you just said, here's a person who's now the greatest evangelist, and yet his life would have potentially been over forever had he not accepted Jesus. We know they would have been over for eternity had he not done that. But now his life is not only radically changed, but now the lives of others are being changed, and God is moving through him in mighty ways.

So because I didn't grow up in the church, I think it's easy for me to step back and look at the church as a whole and see like what's missing, right? Because I was in— I attended some different churches before I found the one that I'm at. And so I was exposed to some things. And what I think is really— just really stuck out to me is that all of us talk about God. All of us talk about God, right? And I think the majority, almost all of the churches that I've been in believe that Jesus Christ Christ is our Savior. He's needed. He's also talked about. But I noticed the Holy Spirit seems to not always be a topic that a lot of churches are comfortable with. Yes. And I believe that the Holy Spirit is that piece that's missing from Christianity. It's that piece that's missing from the lives of people who aren't on fire for the Lord. Because in John, it tells us that the Holy Spirit comes to convict the world of their sin, the believers of their righteousness, right? And so I took those 2 little lines out. And what does that mean? Well, I believe the Holy Spirit convict the world of their sin, that sin is not what they're doing, right? Because the Holy Spirit— they're on their way to hell if they don't know Jesus Christ. And so what they're doing on their way to hell is not the most important thing to him. It's the fact that they don't go to hell. And so he's out there convicting them of their separation from God, not you're doing this, you're doing this. No, you're separated from God and you need to be reconciled through Jesus Christ. And so the Holy Spirit is in the world trying to reconcile them to the Lord through Christ. But once you get saved, we're told that Jesus sent us this Advocate, right? And it says convict the world of their— convict the believer of their righteousness. Well, that word convict in Greek, I think it's elenchō. I might be saying that wrong. I never took Greek classes. But basically, okay, let's just pretend it's right.

It sounds good. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. It can also be translated as conviction. So the Holy Spirit's job is to convince the believer of their righteousness. And I think we get focused on, I can't, I can't, I can't, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I did this, I did this. And the Holy Spirit, literally his job in believers is not, you're right, you did that, that was bad, that was bad, you shouldn't do that. He's literally telling them, do you know who you are? Do you know that you are the righteousness of Christ? Do you know that you are a son or daughter of the Most High King? Yeah. Do you know that you were bought with a price? a price. Like, you are a joint heir with Christ. Do you know this? Because if you knew this, it would change everything for you. It would change the way you walk. It would change the way you talk. It would change the way that you— that you looked to the world when you know that. So I think understanding the Holy Spirit and developing a different relationship with him— I have a relationship with God as my Father. I have a relationship with Jesus Christ more like a brother, a big brother that I look up to and try be like. But I have a relationship that's different with the Holy Spirit, and He's my best friend, and He walks through everything with me, and we talk to each other like all day long. Wow. Like, it's a different type of relationship with each piece of that Trinity, and I think that's missing. But I try to walk people through finding that peace, and when they do, it gives them this level of confidence. It convinces them of their righteousness and who they are, and now they're able to go out into the world and say, I can do this. Not me, but the Holy Spirit can empower me to do this. And you just look different and you talk different. And that's what I see are these people who aren't afraid to go out there and spread the gospel and share their stories because they understand that it's the Holy Spirit empowering them to do that.

Yeah, yeah. The thing that a lot of people miss in the, the grand scheme of things is that the Bible, it has a lot of biblical numerology is a real thing. And there's nothing like witchcrafty or New Agey about it. Like, God created those things and the evil one copyrighted everything. And so he's the counterfeit. What you see is the 3s. We see the 3s a lot. And one of the big things is that you can see the comparisons to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as a perfect example. And they're really a reference towards the Trinity because you've got Abraham as the father, you've got Isaac as the son who was supposed to be sacrificed but then wasn't. And then walked out this really holy life. And because Isaac, for the most part, he outlived his father and just continued. But he was the son of promise, right? Much like Jesus is. And then you get this Jacob, this trickster, and this guy who just stole his brother's blessing, the firstborn, and then the blessings of the father. He gets tricked himself by Laban and all the things that occur with it. On his journey back to the Promised Land, He gets, uh, he gets in and of itself almost like his baptism of the Holy Spirit, where now he gets renamed. He wrestles with God. And then what you start to see is this explosion, because Abraham really had one son of promise, but then, uh, Jacob, aka Israel, has 12. And then they go into Egypt, and there's like 70 or 75, depending on what verse you're looking at, that enter Egypt. And only a few generations later, they leave. a million-person nation. And so this explosion happens. This is the same thing, because I always struggled with myself. Why did Jesus have to go back to heaven? I would love for him to be here on earth. I could go talk to him and be edified. But that's the essence of the Holy Spirit, is he's the Spirit of power. We, we see this fact that he's the Spirit of truth, but when he's described, he's described as the Spirit of power. So he brings the power and the multiplication and the growth and the explosion. That's the nuance you're talking about, is when, when someone is Holy Ghost filled, their everything in their life changes. Like, it just— everything they touch prospers, everything they do is incredible. And it just like everyone is edified and blessed just because they're in the room. And we get that, and that's a true thing. Like, that's biblical. Look at, look at Paul on the boat. Like, everyone gets saved because he's actually there. Paul and Silas are singing, but all the doors of the prison open, not just theirs. Uh, so this is really, really powerful. I've been— I'm, I'm interested in asking you this question because you kind of had this experience from, I think, your last church where they kind of just said you need to leave. And, and, and your, your video, uh, we gotta give it credit, it's your biggest video on your YouTube channel and how you got kicked out of the church. And kind of walk me through it in the sense of like what you went through emotionally The, the differences in, in the, the ideology. Because when you're following the Bible, these things are biblical. And without the Holy Spirit, you have no power, you have no authority, you can't operate. You don't even recognize the righteousness of Christ, much less walking in kingdom principles like healing and deliverance and prosperity. A lot of taboo topics because the religious don't want that. But walk me through that experience too, because I think that that probably not only opened your eyes, but also probably gave you a fire to keep going.

Yes, yes, it did. And so because, again, I didn't grow up in the church, I didn't understand that there were these differences. I just thought everybody was worshiping the same God. Like, we're good, we're Christians. Like, you can go to any church you want to. And so some friends invited us to a church that was more of a traditional church. I won't go into a whole lot of details about what denomination or anything, but I just thought, cool, I'm just like them. I can serve. And I tried to get involved, and I had no idea that I was different than them because I just didn't understand. And so there were 2 major issues that they had with our family. Number one is this idea of love, because their idea is you have to condemn people into the kingdom. You have to convince them of what a horrible sinner they are so that they can turn to the Lord to be, you know, repent to Him so that He can cleanse their sins. And so I get that, right? I feel like most people who are in the world already know their brokenness. Like, they don't need me to be like, you're broken, you're lost, you're sinning. I feel like they already know they're a sinner. Why would they turn to their Father, um, if they're just going to feel condemned? And so what if we instead taught them, right, that they have a Heavenly Father who loves them, who can cleanse them, who wants them anyway? Like, let's love them into the kingdom and then let the Holy Spirit do his job of cleansing them, right? Yeah. bring them all in and let God do the rest. And so they did not, they did not like that. And then I would talk about the power of life and death being in your tongue, which they didn't like. But the biggest thing was I learned the word cessationism, and I didn't know what that was. Hmm. I had no idea that there were even people who believed the Holy Spirit doesn't work today. He doesn't speak to us today except through his word, which he does speak to us through his word. Yeah. 100%, I agree on that. But they've also taken the gifts of the Holy Spirit and divided them up into categories. Some are for today, but some are only for, um, the apostolic times. And so I was like, I didn't understand any of that. So I would talk about the Holy Spirit, um, and they, they actually, when they asked us to leave, they said that our family was a threat to their entire denomination, which my husband is like, That is awesome that we can threaten an entire denomination. Like, that's amazing. But it's just like, I love these people. Like, there's no— like, it hurt. Don't get me wrong, it hurt. And it took me some time to get through that pain of rejection and that pain that I saw my children go through because they were in youth group and these were their friends. Yeah. And like, we built these relationships. There was some pain. But the Lord showed me, like, it's not these people. Like, love these people. These people are just trapped in a box where they don't know who I am and they don't know what I can do. So instead of hate them or be angry with them or offended by them, like, pray for them because they are missing out on some of the miracles, signs, and wonders that I can do. They're missing out on a piece of relationship. Do I think that they're saved and going to heaven? 100%. I do. I believe that they've accepted Christ, but they're missing a whole piece of Him. And so I had to— it was a path, it was a journey. When I wanted to make that, when the Lord told me to make that video about getting kicked out and make it more of an evangelism video, it took me 4 months. Oh,

wow.

And 4 days of fasting before I could record it because I was like, God, I want this with a pure heart. and I have a little bit of bitterness still. I have a little bit of unforgiveness. Wipe this away or I can't make this video because how can I evangelize and share Your love if I'm harboring unforgiveness?

Yep.

And so for months I prayed that, take away the bitterness, take away any anger, take away anything, give me a love for people only. And then when He said it's time, I fasted for 4 days and it was out. I was still fasting when I created the video because I wanted to make sure my flesh had part in what I was going to say, because in no way did I want it to turn into anything bashing them, because I, I love these people. They're just missing out on such an incredible, beautiful piece of what we get to have.

Yeah, this is the thing, is, is that I heard one of the pastors— I forget his name, I think Pastor Mike Cingarelli, I think, if I remember correctly— he's one of the ones out of New York City. Uh, you know, he's— if you get a chance to watch any of his content, it's kind of— he's a little edgy, but I think he said it best, uh, is, is that you are basically a powerless Christian without the Holy Spirit, and you're missing out on all the things that really Christ has for you. Because it says in the Bible, in both the New and Old Testament, that God doesn't change. So if he doesn't change, and it also says he's a respecter of no persons— Peter talks about that whenever the Holy Spirit drops on, I think it was Cornelius, I think, is the, the Roman. When he goes and sees and he comes back and he explains to the Jewish people twice, had to explain it to him twice, that the, the Holy Spirit was meant for all people. Because he did those things, he's not going to treat Jesus differently. And that's the irony, even for me, is like he didn't even treat his son differently than us. He doesn't treat Peter, he doesn't treat those folks. So God, since God can't change, he has to treat everyone equally in the context of their walk and the things that their giftings are. Yeah. But he's not going to not give persons ability to miraculously, you know, stop the rain if it's happening, or resurrect the dead, or, you know, grow back limbs, or allow people that are blind to see, the mute to speak. And what people don't recognize is that a lot of people think, well, that stuff happens in places like Africa where they're desperate and they have big faith. And yet God talks about the faith of a mustard seed. And one of the beautiful stories that I can kind of add to that is I've seen the miracle signs and wonders. I've seen demonic possession where only the name of Jesus drives demons out. Like, they don't even listen to you unless your faith is where it needs to be. And they don't leave. They don't leave. But if you name Buddha, it doesn't matter who you name, they're just laughing at you. But then you name Jesus and then they shudder. But the power of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of power, the, the gifts of miracles. And when we're down here on the East Coast, we had a major league hurricane that was going to hit us. We had just moved here. We just moved into this brand new house. It was only a few years ago, and we have our first major, like Category 4. I think when it hit the West Coast, it was like a Category 5. And it was just literally, if you looked at the eye of the storm, it was like 1 mile off my house. Wow. And we were rebuking that storm like there was no tomorrow. So we have the— we have the— we actually have the pictures. I still kept them. And we have the original path. And then this is not an exaggeration. What it did is it came up to our city, it went directly west, went directly north, and then continued the trajectory. Wow! So if you draw the line, it would have crossed over us. But we were praying and rebuking the storm. Our words have such great power. Our prayers have such great power, and understanding the nuances is key. And I've seen it. I've been in— I, uh, I, I don't necessarily would say that I have the gift of miracles that would equivalent to like a Moses or Elijah, but I've been in a rainstorm one time. I was cycling and the rain was hitting me so hard that it was like I felt like it was starting to cut me. It was like it was, was so bad. And I just rebuked the storm. I said, Rain, stop. And within 1 second, the entire rainstorm just ceased and it just turned into a drizzle. And so when you see those things as a Christian, you're like, okay, this cessationist thing isn't real. And not only is it not real, it's like, oh, everything that Jesus— because he says this— everything that I did, you will do and greater things. And then we started seeing the miraculous healings and people were crippled. I had a miraculous healing on my back and like we the before and after pictures, and you're like, you're seeing cancer disappear, and you're seeing heart attacks being reversed, and, you know, people with severe mental illnesses getting completely restored as if they had never had any issues. ADHD undone. We've— I've seen people with autism being completely rolled back, and you're like, wow. Because if God can create the world— technically he created the world in a couple days, but overall he took his time across the universe for 6 It's easy for him. It's a it's an easy thing for him to kind of walk that through. I I'd love to have you. You recently had this one video that you put out, which I thought was amazing. Talk about the the nuance that God had you differentiate because a lot of Christians don't even realize it. Differentiate when to ask for something and then when to speak for something because remember he said speak to the mountain and it'll move. He didn't say. Pray to the Mountain. And I love that video. Kind of walk me through that experience for you, because that, to me— I had only learned that a few months earlier— that was— that unlocked a whole other level of Holy Spirit and what he can do because of our, of our place in Christ. Because we are kings and queens, we are princes and princesses. So when we speak, it becomes royal law. And that, for me, was a big deal. And I didn't even understand it until, like, only, like, I would say, like, a few months ago.

Wow. Yeah. And that's hard to know. When do you pray? And when, you know, when do you ask? And when do you command? But, you know, we had been going through a situation and it was just never-ending. And it just seemed like one problem after another. And I had prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed. And it just seemed like I wasn't getting anywhere. And one day I was in the shower. The Lord talks to me in the shower all the time because it's the only place that my children can't come, and there's a lot of kids in my house, and so it's like quiet when they— when Mom's in the bathroom. And so I was just, I was just praying again, and the Lord suddenly showed me I was in this, I was in this valley, and there were these mountains, and they were just surrounding me, these giant mountains. And I'm like, I don't know how I'm gonna get out of here. Right. And so I started praying like, God, like, help me through the mountains. Like, show me a path. Like, your word says you'll be a light unto my feet. feet, right? Like, light, light the path for me so that I can get out of these mountains. And I'm praying like, give me strength to get through this. And I'm praying all these things, and, and the Lord's like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're praying the wrong things.

Yeah.

Like, what do you mean? I'm praying your word. Like you say, pray your word back to you. I'm praying your word. Like, what do you mean? And he said, tell the mountains to move, because my word says you can say to this mountain, be moved, and it will move. So stop asking me for the strength to get over it and start telling the mountain to get out of your way. Wow. And so, uh, in that, in that moment, I was like, okay. And I didn't have as much confidence in it, um, but I was like, mountain, move, you know? And it did. It just like, it just, a whole chunk of it just moved out of the way. And I walked out on flat ground. And the Lord was like, start believing in the authority that I've given you. You have been given empowered, not because of you, but because of Christ in you. The Holy Spirit in you is empowering you. You have power. Start using it and stop begging Me for the things that I've already promised that you can have. And so that was really a powerful moment for me to say, okay, you're right. I'm begging you for the wrong things when you've given me this authority. And that's our problem as believers. We often forget The authority that God's given us. And I mean, the Bible tells us, right, we have the authority to heal the sick and cast out demons and do all these things. But we tend to forget that because the world says we don't.

Yeah, this is so key because this is so powerful. I have such a cool testimony on this. So, you know, it started with Adam in the garden because God says, go and subdue the world. And we see a lot of folks that will try to keep people from subduing the world. And he didn't say go destroy the world, but he talks about subdue. And subdue is a really strong word. And he talks about all the different aspects of what you can eat and what you can't eat. And obviously with the New Covenant, those restrictions are basically gone. But even Paul talks about those things. It's like not everything is good for you, but everything can be eaten and such like that. And then also, as the Holy Spirit gives me, he's like, hey, but you don't argue over those things either because you don't want to subject people to your faith. You don't want to kind of overpower them. But when it comes to the authority, it's like there's like a governorship or some kind of like kingship that God's been showing me recently. And I, one of the cool stories that I have is I remember I was, I was a teenager and started doing some like entrepreneurial stuff and got a chance to meet like a really young millionaire who had become very successful very quickly and has established himself. And I remember him talking about his time. And at that moment, he didn't really like Doing like the mundane tasks because he was, he was trying to focus on growing his business. And I remember the thing he talked about was, I don't like getting gas. I don't like getting it. I don't like going out and doing it. It smells, it's dirty. And so he just hired like basically an office manager, like a house manager. And then they, they always kept his cars full of gas. And I was like, oh, okay. So I really like the time thing, but I always kept saying like, I don't ever want to get gas again. again. I don't ever want to get gas again. So I kept speaking that for a long time. And then all of a sudden, God gave me the opportunity to go get an electric car. And, you know, I got a Tesla. And so now I don't have to get gas all the time. And it's kind of interesting how he will answer your declarations because you're speaking them. But when you speak them, eventually they— depending— because he talks about these things, it's like these are going to happen now, it's going to happen soon, or it's going to happen eventually. And obviously in some instances It can be passed on to your kids after you go to heaven. But that's the things that he talks about. And when you start to understand that you can declare certain things, and it— the, the thing that really struck me was, is when the dove descended from heaven onto Jesus, the Holy Spirit. Obviously, it's a tie back to Noah because whenever— that's the only other time a dove's mentioned in the Old Testament. He releases it the third time and it doesn't come back down. But then it lands on Jesus in the New Testament. But what people miss is that in that verse, the heavens are open, but it never says the heavens are closed. And so we're operating under an open heaven. And then when you start to attach the things that Jesus talks about, whatever you loose in heaven will be loosed on earth, whatever's loosed, uh, whatever's bound in heaven will be bound on earth. And then you read, oh, okay, well, we have all the blessings in Christ in heavenly places. You're like, oh, whoa. I can loose blessings. I can speak things. I can have them come to pass. And then when then all of a sudden you start to see, because God's not always going to answer your declaration exactly the way you, you say it, because he's omnipotent and he understands all the different ramifications of that, but he will. And now all of a sudden you start to see that. And the best example that I've seen, biblically speaking, for those who see it is Look at the 12 spies going into the Promised Land. Moses sends in 12 spies, each one from a tribe, and they come back. 10 of them give a bad report. And then obviously we know Joshua and Caleb say, no, we can definitely go do this. And I always tell people, like, who got what they wanted? And, and the answer is all of them. 10 of them said they can't do it, so they didn't do it. The 2 that said they did, they did. And that's the essence of what you're talking about. And that's so powerful because When, when people start to recognize, like, as you're, as you're helping them through your ministry, they start to recognize like, oh, Jesus loves me, and oh, I have authority, and oh yes, these promises. He owns all the silver, he owns all the gold, he owns the cattle on a thousand hills. It starts to reorient people in a different perspective that this life doesn't become the living hell that a lot of people say, but yet it becomes this dominating walk that we have with Christ. And we do it with him because he's going to call us into these places and become amazing. It's just incredible to kind of walk it out and see, see people do that and just experience those things. It's, it's incredible. So let me, let me go ahead and ask like one last question for you too. So you, you had just recently launched this Mother's Day series. Why don't you take a chance to kind of talk about it? I think it's a powerful series. And by, by the time that people see this video, that's going to be available in its entirety. Why don't you walk some people through? Because I think the thing that I love that you talked about, you kind of talked about a little bit, is how God input— we look at God as a father, but because he— but he also created the female and he gave the female those characteristics. How does that series kind of unlock that part so that for the women that are watching this video can kind of see Oh, my Heavenly Father had something special just for me, and that He did something amazing.

Yeah, He showed me. So, I mean, we know that it says that we were created in God's image, man and woman in Genesis were created in God's image. And so it doesn't say man was created, right? And so woman too. And so in order to get the full picture of who God is and what all of His characteristics are, we have to look at man And woman, because some of those characteristics he gave to man, but some he gave to woman. And women are the only ones that can be moms. And so I've had the opportunity to be a mom through giving birth, through adoption, through fostering. And he has shown me how his love is different. And what's interesting, a lot of people will say, you know, well, don't you love these kids more than these kids? And it's like, when I When I first had a baby and I had my very first child, I thought, well, this is it. This is all my love. And then when I got pregnant with my second child, I was like, that poor child. Like, they're gonna, they're gonna just be like, they're not gonna have as much love as my first child. My first child will always be better than them, um, in my, in my heart. Until I felt that child move for the first time. And what I realized was that God doesn't— like, my kids didn't have to share my love. God multiplied my love. Wow. And so that's how when people say, Well, how can God love 8 billion people? It's not one love divided 8 billion times. It's one love multiplied 8 billion times because our God is a God of multiplication. And so the more kids I have, the more I love them. But I have a lot of people who will say, well, you know, God loves us all equally. We're all His children. He loves us equally. And the Lord said to me, no, I don't. I love you all uniquely and I love you all specially. If I loved you all equally, you'd be replaceable. I could just move one out, move another one in. My love is not— equal is not the right word. I love you in a unique and special and beautiful way, and it's different than the way I love this person. And my plan for them is different, and my relationship with them is different. Each one's so incredibly special, right? And I get to see that firsthand because my relationship with my biological children is different than my relationship with the other children. It's not better. It's not— one's not worse. It's different and it's unique and it's special. And that's how God feels about us and how his love for us is. And so he took me on this journey where I actually am coming out with a book, 18 Characteristics of God That We Can See Through a Mother and Her Love for Her Children. And so I haven't shared all of those. My video that I came out with, I think I have 8 of those points that I shared. The rest will have to be in the book eventually. I'm still working on getting that just right, because it just showed me that a mother has a really special way of sharing and showing. It's like this picture of God that we don't see if we don't look at the woman and her role. And so that's what that series is about, those 8 of those points just sort of summarized and broken down. into understanding God's overall character by looking at his love the way that a mother loves her children.

Yeah, that's awesome. I, I love that because it's— it is the essence of who he is. And you talk about uniquely and how it's— it— that, that's the thing that a lot of people don't get, is, is that God's not truly a fair God, but he's a just God. And we see that. We see that through scriptures. We see Hezekiah getting sick and almost dying, yet he was It says in the Bible, he was the most— one of the most righteous kings ever. And so it's not fair that he got sick, but God redeemed him and gave him 15 years. And that's the essence of the unique part. It's like he treats everyone uniquely for the way that he's created them, because they themselves are unique, because of all the characteristics that make them who they are. And he is able to love them exactly at that space. That's who he is. And that's amazing. And I'm sure that that's going to resonate and just be edifying for everyone to get a chance to, to kind of watch it. Why don't you take a moment, uh, as we close out to kind of talk about where they can find you, uh, what your website is, your social media handles, uh, any other— anything else that, you know, you want to be able to share with the audience?

Awesome. Yes, so Katie, Katie Hawk Ministries, and hawk is pronounced like the bird but spelled differently, H-A-U-C-K. Um, so everything is under that name on my website, KatieHawkMinistries.com. There you can find links to almost everything— my You Are Loved series, that Coming to Life series, those 90 videos I talked about. Those are on YouTube. But I actually have a course on my website that you can go through. I just have the first course. We're just coming out with it. That just— I think it's just the first so many books of the Bible. It'll walk you through just digging deeper into those. It goes along hand in hand with that Coming to Life, which Coming to Life was the 90 videos walking you through Scripture and through each book in the Bible. YouTube, Katie Hawk Ministries, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. I have 15 YouVersion plans that you can read right now, Katie Hawk Ministries. So I tried to just keep it easy and make everything under Katie Hawk Ministries. I have some free resources, my mini book, Um, I, I— they're like $3.99. Um, but if you, if you cover shipping, usually I just— or if you meet me, I'll meet you somewhere, I'll give you one, I'll send you one. Like, I just want to get God's word out there.

Yeah.

Um, and share it. I've got 2 mini books, the Mary and Martha, and then one called Use Your Keys, which is just finding your purpose in life. I'm working on about 2 more of those that will be up soon. Um, but all of that information— website, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, uh, join my mailing list that will keep you updated on anything new, my email list. So I think that's— I think that covers it all.

Yep. Yeah, you definitely are. You're the female version of John Verfeer. You're just an awesome content creator.

Yeah, I don't have an app yet.

Yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true. But those aren't hard. But that's awesome. Yeah, I, I thank you very much for having— I was heavily edified by this. This is a great story, great testimony. And love to have you on here again soon in the coming months to kind of see, you know, how you've moved. Hopefully you'll be closer to where you're at with your book and a lot of the other things, and kind of give us an update on your ministry and all the things that have been happening. You're, you're, you're on that cusp of like of explosion, and I know that this is an opportunity for God to kind of just— we know it's not repay, but bless you with The, the things that you've sown, because you've spent so many years sowing, and I know harvest season is coming. And usually when you've spent years and years sowing, the harvest is going to be monstrous. So I'm excited to see how that plays out for you.

Well, thank you, and it's such an honor to be here. I love everything that you're doing for God's kingdom, just growing it and just getting his word out there and, and sharing the gospel. And so it is a true honor and blessing to be a part of this and to get to be on this interview with you. So thank you for everything.

Oh, no problem. No problem. It's, uh, the pleasure is all mine.