JR Fisher and how Failure is the Greatest Opportunity for Business and Outsourcing

So I'm sure that things are booming for you right now.

Oh, my God. It's like six figure days. You know, I had Shark Tank call me the other day. They wanted me on the show there. I've had my college newspaper interview me and write an article on me.

Hey, it's Chelaine from onlinejobs PH here for John Jonas. And today we are really excited to have J.R. fisher with us.

How's it going, J.R. it is going amazing. It's a little strange because of the pandemic, but outside of that, it's going pretty well.

Glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. JR Is the CEO of Survival Cave Food. He's also an author and an educator and produces incredible amounts of content@jrfishertrading.com and on his YouTube channel. Honestly, when I was learning more about you, that just blew my mind. How much content you're able to pump out, especially the free content. Tell us a little bit about your business and what you do and what you're here to teach us.

Sure. Actually, it's JrFisher.com, not JR Fisher Training. My YouTube channel is JR Fisher Training. I actually got started selling online. I started with cell phone cases first and I did. I failed at it. I was miserable. I didn't make any money whatsoever. And then I moved into camping equipment. And then some guy called me one day and he said he had the survival food. He wanted me to sell this freeze dried food. And I'm like, yeah, I'll sell anything. It didn't matter to me. So I started selling that. And we did really well. And there were some world events where our sales really increased. We were doing like 4,000amonth, then 20,000, then 60. And we got up to like 80,000amonth. And I thought, wow, this is great. And I went in and quit my job. I was in the automotive industry. Got a little tiny warehouse. And then a few weeks they stopped shipping to my customers. And I was on ebay and I had like 300 listings on eBay and we were still going out to like gun shows and selling at gun shows and all that. We were leaving one day for a trip to North Carolina and we were in Virginia at the time. And I looked down at my phone, I had no listings on ebay. And I'm like, how could I have no listings? So I contacted them and they were like, yeah, we also took $20,000 out of your account because you're not shipping on time. And we removed all your listings. And I was like, wow. And I didn't have a job, so I was like, what do I do now? And I decided that since that company couldn't ship anymore, they got overloaded. They just literally couldn't ship. They were taking my money, but they wouldn't ship anything to my customers. So I said, well, maybe I'll come up with my own product line. So I came up with the idea of Survival Cave. I had Survival Cave as my website, and I just added the word food to it. So I called it Survival Cave Food because I was just selling camping equipment, then moved into that, and I found a company to manufacture it. And then I thought, well, it'll be really easy. I can just put up a website and people will buy my stuff. And I didn't know anything about SEO. I didn't know anything about traffic. I didn't know anything. This is like 2010. And so nobody came to the site, Nobody bought it. And I'm sitting in my office one day going, well, I got a problem because all these other sites, they have all this traffic and all these people go in there and I've got nothing. So I thought, oh. And a little light bulb went off. I'm like, what if my product was on their site? What if I could get them to sell my stuff? Because they already have traffic. So I got on the phone and I made, I don't know, 200 phone calls, and I sent out a few thousand emails and I got zero results. But I came in the next day and did the same thing and then finally got a couple sites, and then I got a couple more. And now if you Google Survival K Food, you'll find it on literally millions of spots. Right now, I think it's about 23 million results for survival Cave Food. So I actually got them to sell my product, and which is pretty much true today. About 85% of our sales are through other websites. We've had them on everything from Sears and Walmart and I mean, all kinds of different sites, camping sites. And then to take a little bit further down the road, I had a lot of people start saying, well, you made money online. How did you do it? So I started helping some friends and family members. And one day somebody says, why don't you charge for that? I'm charged for what? They were like, charged to teach people. I'm like, well, I don't know anything about teaching people. And they're like, well, yeah, yeah, make a course. So the people at ClickBank got together with me, and ClickBank is an affiliate marketplace. And I put a course together called Digital Cash Academy, where it taught people how to sell stuff online that went off pretty well. We ended up doing like six figures in 72 hours on that course. Then I came out with another course on Facebook Ads, which is Facebook Ads University. And I came up with Webcash Academy, which is a course where I was actually teaching businesses local here in San Diego. We filmed that. Then I came up with Ecom Road, which is another course. Then I came up with email earning systems. Then I started doing coaching and then the YouTube channel. Basically my whole business was because of a bunch of mistakes, really. I use onlinejobs Ph because that's the only way I can do any of this stuff. Matter of fact, right after I had talked to you yesterday, I guess through email, I was talking to my. I don't know, I just call them team members. I don't call them VAs or anything like that because I think we all kind of work together, you know, I don't look at them as they're an employee and I'm the boss because that's like silly because he knows stuff I don't know and I know stuff he doesn't know. And it just kind of works out. I use onlinejobs ph. I've been using them for several years now. I've got great results and I couldn't have grown my business without it. Seriously. I have people in other countries that I don't use OnlineJobs ph for, but OnlineJobs ph, it's a whole lot easier for me to verify what I've got in advance. If I go to one of these other job sites, I'm not going to give them any credit by saying who they are. But if I went to one of those sites, you don't really know because they're not vetted the way they are on onlinejobs Ph, it's a whole different thing. Onlinejobs physical, they worry about what their rating is, so they act a little bit different, you know, with the other sites, they worry, but not so much. It's not that big of a deal, you know. So, yeah, that's my whole story in a nutshell.

Oh, that's great. That's great. And we're going to go into detail a little bit more in a minute with how you work with your VAs, how you manage them, how you train them. I've got some questions for you, though, about your business. So I noticed a theme when I was reviewing some of your content and you just shared with me that you were a single dad. When you were putting this together, do you mind talking about that a little?

Oh, yeah, no, that was a nightmare. But, yeah, it worked out. Both my kids are great.

Working from home and creating this and experiencing failure.

Well, I would tell you, I'm literally excited over failure now because I've never had a failure or a problem where it didn't turn into something even better. I mean, almost every single time. It's amazing, you know, like, when I got a divorce, I got both my kids. I'm like, oh, my God, it's terrible.

And.

And it really turned out great because I spent a lot of time with him. We have a great relationship now. One lives in Florida now, and I live in San Diego, and one lives in Wise, Virginia, and he's finishing his school there. And I talked to him every single day. They're like my best friends. And I don't think that relationship would have been there like that had I had a wife around. And then the funny thing is, as they were growing up, I finally met at work my wife, who I've been with now for 10 years. And she's great, and she gets along with them and she works in my business. So, you know, failures are just awesome. I mean, they really are. And I'll give you a real quick example. I was going to one of my warehouses in Ohio a few years back, and I have my car parked in the street. My wife's car is parked in the driveway, and we're going to take her car, and we walk outside and her car's gone. And I looked at her and I said, well, your car's stolen. Let's take my car. And she says, how do you know it's stolen? I said, because it ain't there. It's really pretty simple. And she's like, are you sure? I said, oh, no, I'm sure. She's like, well, this is terrible. I said, no, it's great. She goes, well, how do you figure? It's great. I had, like 15,000 miles on it. I mean, this model is brand new. I said, I don't know yet, but when I get back, we'll figure it out and it'll be great. And sure enough, when I got back, we talked to the insurance company, and they gave us way more than what the car was worth. And we got her a much nicer car and it all worked out. And I'm like, see? See, there you go. Finding the opportunity when you run into obstacles. And I think some of the biggest examples are people like Elon Musk. He looked out there in the market and said, hey, people want electric cars that go fast and that charge up easily and that can go real far. That's an opportunity. I was in the automotive industry and the executives at the big companies never looked at it that way. They were like, that's competition. We don't want that. So he's gotten out there and he's eating their lunch and I know I bought their stock at $167 and I think yesterday it was 750. So, you know, it's like every time there's a problem, seriously, and it takes years. Like, because when I was 25, I didn't realize that if I could, if I could grab a 25 year old now and go, listen to me, really, problems are awesome. It's like the huge opportunity, like the pandemic right now. Big opportunity for a lot of people. I mean, our courses on how to make money at home right now are doing great. I mean, that's a big opportunity for us. My survival food, obviously doing great. So anytime there's a problem somewhere in there, there's an opportunity. So that's kind of how I look at it.

So good, so good. I read something a couple months ago that said after the breakdown comes the breakthrough. I love to find that theme over and over because I think that we discount that a lot, especially in business, that we think of failures as defeat versus opportunity. So yeah, I always love to hear other people's reflection on that and see how it affected you and your business. So how many students do you have right now if you were to just guess in your various teaching courses?

Thousands and thousands and thousands. Yeah, I don't, I couldn't even guess that. We've sold so many courses. And I, you know, I've done coaching. I was literally doing coaching for businesses for a while, but it took up a lot of my time. But I was charging $2,000 an hour. I had a billion dollar company that was paying me to teach them how to do marketing online. And it's so funny because when I started my business and I told everybody I was going to sell stuff online, they were like, you can't type, you don't know how to send an email. Are you insane? I'm like, no, I know. But I figured I could learn some of it. They're like, no, you don't know anything about technology. You know nothing. This is not for you. And that was literally the response I got from everybody. I remember having a neighbor come over to my house because she was helping me with my Kids. One time when I was at work and I had a bunch of trinkets and crap I was selling online, they were in my laundry room, and she looked at all the stuff. She goes, what are you doing? I said, I'm trying to sell stuff on ebay. And she's like, no, you're never going to be able to do that. So it's funny now when somebody pays me two grand an hour to get advice, I'm like, that's so funny. I still can't type, by the way. I have not gotten good at that.

You can outsource that. You can outsource that.

What I did figure out is, nowadays it doesn't matter what you want to know. If you want to know how to do heart surgery, you could go to YouTube and pull up videos on heart surgery. And though you may not be authorized to do it, you could learn how to do heart surgery. There's nothing you can't learn online. Nothing. MIT has free courses online. You can literally go through their curriculum. And I just did a video on this where you can go through their entire college curriculum and learn it all online for free. I mean, just watch. I mean, it's insane.

So what's your favorite thing to teach? With everything that's out there and everything that you teach, what's your favorite?

I don't think it's a thing. I think it's a result. I think if I can teach somebody that they can make money from their laptop at a Starbucks and quit their job and be able to spend time with their friends and family and travel, which one day we'll be allowed to do again and actually go out to a dinner they want and wear the clothes they want and drive the car they want and live where they want. That's the thing for me. So it doesn't matter which direction we go with that. If it's a digital product or physical product, once somebody realizes that they can make some money online, you can multiply it over and over and over again. And I remember the first time I sold something online, I made $10. And I came running into the living room. I was telling my kids, and they were little at the time. I think they were like 8 and 12. And I'm like, I just sold something online. They were like, really? How much did you make? I said, Well, I sold $10. And they were like, really? I said, no, but you don't understand. If I did it once, I could do it again and again and again. They were like, okay. They didn't get it at the time, but because their allowance were more than that. But the point was, I figured out that somebody actually sent me money through a computer. I thought that was really cool. I thought it was amazing. This is the coolest thing in the world because I didn't grow up with computers. For somebody to send me money online, it's insane. They don't even know me.

With the success we're going to, this is where we're going to shift gears, start talking about sourcing. What is your personal favorite thing to do with the freedom that you create through outsourcing? You know, where you're not micromanaging every single process and editing every video and whatever else you're outsourcing. What's your favorite thing to do with your free time?

Travel. Really? I was in seven countries last year. I was on two cruises. I've been to Bangkok. I've been to all over Mexico, Caribbean. And the cool thing is, no matter where I'm at, I can work and I will. I want to add one thing about outsourcing, though, because I know a lot of people, they say, well, I can do this, so I don't need somebody else to do it. It's not a matter if you can do it. It's a matter of what you could do if you weren't doing it. So, you know, I can edit my videos. That's not a problem. But I have a video editor, and I have a video editor because, number one, he's better at it. Okay, that's just, hands down, he's better at it. But number two is it's really time consuming. And on onlinejobs, ph, you can hire somebody a lower amount, like, you know, I'm worth more than, you know, whatever per hour. You know, I know I can make two grand an hour, and if I can pay somebody less than what I'm worth, wouldn't it make sense to pay somebody? And I think that's the one thing people shy away from. And they go, well, gee, I don't want to spend money on that. I could do that myself and save that money. You're not saving anything because if you're paying somebody less than what your hourly value is and you got to pick whatever that is, then you're making money. As long as you actually work with that time. If you just sit in your lounge chair and watch Netflix, of course not. But you've got to get that in your head that if you're paying somebody to do something that is a lower value than what your hourly wage is or what you put on your hourly wage. It's a good investment. It really is. Not to mention the fact that it lets you do the creative stuff which you can't outsource. You know, I can't outsource. You know, hey, come up with some new courses for me. I guess I technically have somebody write some stuff, but you know, the creativity part, you can't outsource. And if you're an entrepreneur, you should be creative in some form or fashion. If you're not, then you can't be an entrepreneur because you can't create anything. But if you've got that creative thing in your mind where you're thinking of ideas, you need to outsource.

Absolutely. So who else? We know you've got a video editor working for you. How many various team members? I like that that you just call them team members. You don't refer to them as anything other than what you'd refer to your local workers. How many team members in the Philippines do you have working for you right now and what do they do?

Various things. I don't want to say the number, but various things. Everything from like social media. I'm not a social media person. I know how to do it, but I don't want to do it. So, you know, every day they post my videos on my pages or my groups. I have a couple different groups. I have an inner circle that people pay monthly to be a member of. I have another one called the Art of E Commerce Success where people get access to through some of my courses and they post in there for me the videos that I've done. So I have video editing, I have social media stuff. I have people who do more technical type things, kind of boring stuff, but more technical types. Things like working on websites and WordPress stuff. There's so many areas that you can outsource. Now I will tell you there's two ways to outsource and you gotta be really careful with this. A lot of people say, well, I'll just go hire a bunch of people to do everything for me and I'll sit back and do nothing. And that doesn't work. Number one, you can't manage what you don't know. That's a big thing I see people do. And they'll say, well, I'm going to hire somebody to do SEO for me. And they don't know how to do SEO, so how are you going to know if they did it right? So number one is you got to learn whatever it is because you can't manage somebody and on top of that, if you don't know it, you can't manage it because you can't tell them what you expect of them. You know, you can't say, well, I want you to do video editing and I want you to do some zoom ins and zoom outs and I want you to put some music in there. A lot of people will hire somebody on online jobs or any of these websites and they don't give them clear direction and then they're upset because they didn't get the result they wanted. I'm like, well, you didn't tell them what to do. If you don't know it, you can't manage it. You manage it and if you don't tell them, you can't expect anything. You got to just get what you get. So that's the one thing I tell you. And then the other outsourcing I do is for stuff I literally can't do. We have a Magento website and it's pretty high level programming type stuff and I know essentially what needs to be done and I know how long it should take. So when I find somebody I trust, I have one person that's been working for me for five years now. All they do is work on my Magento projects as I need them and it's really high level stuff. So that's the other type of person you're going to hire. But even if you hire that type person and you don't know how to do it, you should at least know what it should pay and how long it should take and you know the basics of it or you can't manage it. So I think that's the biggest problem is people hire people they don't know how to manage them because they haven't given them expectations.

So I think that's a big thing, establishing expectations.

Yeah, yeah.

So do you have any favorite tools that you use online to train or to manage your workers? You have systems in place that.

Yes, yes. First off, if it's on screen type work that I expect somebody to do, like entering in orders. Okay, I have somebody right now entering in orders from one website to another website. And it's pretty difficult to get it. All right, I make a video of. I have somebody in the office makes a video of that exact process. Click here, you do this, you click here, you do this. And then all those steps are written out on a sheet so that they can check off each one. Well, I did this, I did this, I did this, I did this. And we know how long it takes to enter an order, you know how many minutes it takes. So literally we know you know that exact job. And then what I do is I use a thing called Kartra. Kartra is my online marketing software. I love it. I'm not giving a plug, but I would. They're really great people. They have a membership site in there where I put my courses in there where people pay for membership, but I also put my training videos in there. So like when somebody comes to workforce and I say, hey, I want you to do these jobs, here's the training videos Kartra will monitor when they log in and how far into a video they watched. So I know if they went through the training or not. So it makes it really super easy for me to do that. So Kartra is a big, big thing I use. And Kartra is also email provider. They're also a sales page maker. There are also landing pages, you know, they integrate with WordPress and they just. It's everything for me. And I've been, and I don't want to get too much on that, but I've been through a lot of different, you know, infusionsofts and awebers and mailchimps and constant contacts and it's way better than all those. So I give them a little plug every now and then just because they're good.

That's great. No, we just want to know what works and be able to share it with people so they can do it too. Would you mind running through what your system is, how you find the right people and how you, how you hire the right person the first time?

First off, it's a great site and it does a lot of the work for you because you don't have a lot of low end people on there. If they're low end people, they're going to be rated as such and you're just not going to, you know, look for them. The first thing is posting a job with specifics. I think that's really important that way that people know what, what's expected of them. I think it's a real shame. A lot of times somebody will get hired and you'll say, well, I want a social media person. Okay, but what are they going to do? You know? So I mean, I'm real specific. I say I want you to work in Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and I want you to do this many posts a day and I want you to edit these, this many videos and I want you to have experience, you know, three months, six months, whatever it is. And I want you to have a rating of this and I want you to have, you know, whatever level proficiency of English. Like, some don't need a high level of proficiency of English. They just don't need it because they're not talking to people like mined elves. You know, as long as they can communicate with me, I'm fine. And also tell them, you know, what hours is to be expected of them. I personally don't care when they work. It doesn't matter to me as long as the work gets done. So, you know, you got to be cognizant of the fact that you're in different time zones and people can't always be at your beck and call, you know, at, you know, 8 o' clock in the morning, Eastern time, when it's not that time in the Philippines. Now, if you need somebody like that, let them know that up front. So don't hire somebody and then say, hey, now, I need you at 8 o' clock in the morning. They'll be like, well, that's 3:00am here. I can't do that. I have two kids. All right, so once you do that and you do your job post, then I actively go out and I look in onlinejobs ph and I try to find people that would match that and I send them an invitation for that particular job. And then I get all those people. I like to talk to them my first meeting. I like to talk to them on camera where I can actually see them. I think that makes some kind of connection. You don't always have to do that afterwards. Like, I talk to Billy all the time, talk to him several times a day. We never, you know, pull up the camera because, you know, we've been working together for almost a year. We do that, we check them out. Now, I also like to give them a little task before I hire them and I'll say, hey, you know, do this particular thing, whether it's, you know, edit one video or something like that. Now, I will tell you, there are dishonest people out there. And I see it and I really hate it because I. I saw something with Instacart the other day with this. It really made me mad. But what they'll do is they'll find somebody and say, hey, do this task for me to see how good you're doing it. And they have no intent of hiring somebody. They're just trying to get a free task done that's like really wrong. It's going to come back and bite you, I promise. I saw this on Instacart. The other day. And that's the grocery delivery thing. Are you familiar with that? People were putting like a huge tip on the app and saying, hey, you know, go get my groceries. I'm going to give you this huge tip. And then once the groceries got delivered, they zeroed it out and they took away the people. What kind of human being would do that? I was so angry, I actually posted it online and I was like, there are a holes out there. So anyhow, don't do that in the.

Context of what we're living in right now.

Yeah, like, God knows. But anyhow, so give them a task that's going to take them 15 minutes or so. Don't give them a task that's going to take six hours. They don't have time to do free work for you. But I like to get an example of what they can do. And if they don't, you know, if you don't do that, even ask them if they have examples. A lot of people who are video editors, they can say, well, here's the videos I've edited. Let me send those to you. And that's fine too. That works for me. I can kind of see what their skills are and what they did. I then like to have a really in depth interview with them. And when I say in depth, I let them know how I'm going to deal with them and how they should deal with me. I let them know up front that if they run into a problem and, and this is one thing I found about the Filipino workers, if they run into a problem, they feel really bad about it. Okay? So I like to hit all those points right up front and I'll say like, Billy. When I was interviewing Billy, I said, you know, hey, if you've got a problem, it's no big deal because I screw up too, you know, Let them know that you're not perfect because you're not. I don't care who you are listening to this, you're not perfect. And if you screw up, it's not a big deal. It's just something we gotta fix, you know, come to me, let me know, I'm here to help you. And I tell them, I said, you're like a family member to me, you know, and I care about you. And when you say stuff like that, you got to really mean it. Like, I know Billy and I know his wife and I know his kid. And I mean, I literally know their family. And I'll ask about them, you know, when I'm talking to them. And you should And I did the same thing when I was in the automotive business. Because if people just say, oh, yeah, I'm part of the family, but you don't know who my family is. Sounds like bs. Also understand that. And can I get into how I manage them? Is that okay?

Absolutely.

When you're managing them, I require that every day I get an email. And in that email I'm very specific. I'm going to say, like, how many people joined this group? How many videos did you edit? You know, how many posts did you do? What are the posts that you did do? I never allow them to say, I'm working on this project. Working means nothing. It's only completed. What did you complete today? What did you get done today? You should be working every day. But working is not a task, okay? A task completed is a task completed. Did you post a video? Did you edit a video? Don't say, I'm working on editing this video. Makes no sense. Also understand that they have different holidays, so you got to be real aware of their holidays and you have to respect them. Just because in the US you know, maybe we try to work 70 hours a week or something. You can't expect somebody in another country to do the same thing that you would do. That's a big mistake. So understand that, you know, they're going to need sick time off. Like, you know, Billy gets sick every now and then, probably more than he should, I don't know. But I've never docked him for that because overall, if I don't, when he comes back, he's going to work that much harder. So don't worry about every nickel and dime. I mean, you're getting a good deal anyhow. You know, when you're, when you're hiring somebody there. And that's another thing about getting a good deal. Don't try to be the cheapest person. Don't go, I want to pay somebody a dollar an hour. You know, I would say pay on the higher end. It's going to do a couple things. It's going to make somebody a little bit more loyal to you and you're going to attract better people. You're already paying a little bit less than the US Anyhow. But if you pay on the higher end, you're going to get a much more loyal employee. And the next thing I would say, like, and Billy's going to see this. Hey, Billy. He's been with me for less than a year and he's already gotten two raises and some bonuses. So, you know, make sure that you Give them raises. Don't set somebody, like, I got somebody at, you know, $2 an hour and that's all I'm ever going to pay. That's like the worst thing in the world because they don't see any future in it. Make sure that you pay them more, like on a regular basis. I'll review. And if he's doing better, I'm going to give him a bigger raise. Like, I recently, I think a week or two ago, I gave him a raise and it was double the raise. What I told him because he was doing a good job and he had screwed up a little bit before that. But hey, what everybody does, you know, so make sure you're paying your people well and you're taking care of them specifically. They know what to do if you change their duties from doing one thing to another. Like, he's working on SEO now, and he didn't work on SEO before, but I got him a course on SEO so he could go through the course and learn how to do it so he could educate himself. I didn't just say, hey, you're going to do SEO now? Because that's ridiculous. And I had to do, you know, when he finished the course, that's when his raise went into effect. I'm like, when you finish this course, even though you haven't done anything yet, I'm going to give you a raise just for getting through the course. So little things like that matter so much. And then there's the 13th month, which he's coming up on that. Understand that in the Philippines, you know, after a year, they get a month's salary. That's just the way it is. Okay. And that's accepted there. It may not be so in the U.S. but you're not hiring in the U.S. you guys have a really good blog on there. And I went through it all before I started hiring there because I'm like, okay, how do I manage these people?

I can tell. I can tell you've got so much good stuff to share. And it's coming from experience. I'm just. I'm loving it.

Yeah. And it does matter. And, you know, I'm very gentle with the way I talk to people in the Philippines, which I was in the automotive business in the US And I wasn't always gentle. But it's a different. It's a different mindset. It's a different group of people. They're very family oriented. They're going to want to spend time with their family. And if you're expecting somebody to work six, seven days a week and not do that, then you're hiring from the wrong place.

This is what I love, because this is what I'm hearing from you, is that your whole training, management, business relationship with these team members in the Philippines is based on trust, which is established by respecting their culture, paying them what they're worth and showing them that they are worth it to you, that they're adding value to your business, training them well and establishing your expectations so they can meet it. And then one of the biggest things I love is having that open relationship of come talk to me if you have an issue because you talk to anyone with experience. There's a cultural context in the Philippines where if they get embarrassed because they don't know how to do something, it overlaps with their desire to please and do good work for you and be motivated to be there for you, that they will disappear on occasion and just there's no way to get in touch with them, they won't respond to emails. And it all stems in that lack of trust. But if you've established that trust from the get go, like you're saying, you don't even have to worry about it. I mean, that's the number one thing that we see from our users, the number one issue that gets run into and you just, I mean that's, that's how you prevent it. So it's so great to see that manifest in another context than in, in our personal experience. I, yeah, just. Thank you.

That trust thing is a funny thing. I know on online jobs it's got this like time watch. Literally you could see when they were logged in, how long they were working, all that. And I never used it because I thought, wow, that's like, you know, somebody looking over your shoulder. Because I gotta be honest with you, I don't work 100% of the time when I'm at work. So, so it's like if you've got to use that to tell if somebody's working or not, that just screams I don't trust you. I mean that's what that says, I don't trust you. So I never wanted to use it for that reason because I want them to know I do trust them and I know they're not perfect and I know sometimes maybe they're going to take a two hour lunch and not be working. I know it, it's okay. But you know what? If I know it and they know it, they're going to get the work done overall and that's all I care about. I don't want to monitor somebody's life. They work with me. They're not, I don't own them, you know, I just don't, you know, and if they know that I honestly, genuinely care, which I do, because they're humans just like me, we're no different. I mean, it's like, because you live in the U.S. you know, you were dealt a pretty good, you know, cards in life and, you know, because somebody else wasn't, doesn't make them any less than you. So I, it drives me nuts when people say, well, those people, there's no difference. Everybody, everybody's the same. I don't even care what your job is. Everybody's the same. And as soon as you realize that you're going to start treating people better. As soon as you treat people better, you get really good results. If you treat them really good and give them respect, you're just going to get great results. So that's what I found that works the best is, you know, and I don't mean be a pushover and let people never work. And I'm not saying that, but give them expectations and, you know, give them the freedom to do it. It's really that simple.

Thank you. Thank you so much for your time and all of your insight. I mean, this has just been gold. Do you have anything else that you'd. Any other advice or anything else you'd like to leave with us? Anything about your business?

You know, I don't want to tell my business though. It's a great channel. Check it out. JR Fisher training on YouTube or JrFisher.com but I will tell you this. You know, when you think you're saving money by not hiring other people or, you know, I know online jobs charges a fee a month, you know, it's well worth it because I mean, I think you guys are like 69 bucks or something like that. I mean, you're not going to spend anything on your business. How far do you think you're going to get not spending anything? You know, you look at the most successful people in the world, you know, whether it's a Steve Jobs or Elon Musk or whatever, they hire the best people they can friggin find, man. The best people they can find. And if you just go out and hire people who are good at what they do and they free you up to actually run your business, it's like the best move in the world to do. And with online jobs, you can do it so inexpensively and God, I really do recommend it. I'm no bs. I mean, you contacted me because I did a video on you guys. But, I mean, I really mean it. I really feel that. And if somebody else uses it and they watch this video and they get good results, all the better, you know, really is. It's good for the people in the Philippines. It's good for me here. And I know I'm doing it right because one of my VAs or employees called me the other day and they were like, hey, a lot of my friends lost their job because of the pandemic. You know, can you hire these people? So he wanted to bring those people to come work for me, and I couldn't. But, you know, the point was he thought enough of our company to want to send his friends to us, you know, and I think that's a real compliment. So if you're doing that and people are happy with you and they like you and you're getting good results, spend the money. I mean, seriously, don't be so cheap. Thank you.

Thank you for that. We feel that way, too, because we see it happen over and over and over. But it's so great to be able to connect with faces and stories and really hear about it. So thank you for your time today. Thank you for sharing with us, and we appreciate it so much.

Oh, no problem whatsoever.

Again, that was J.R. fisher from JrFisher.com and also the CEO of Survival Cave Foods. If you want to learn more about his business, you can head over there. If you want to learn more about how to find success outsourcing to the Philippines like he did, we can help you out at onlinejobs.

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