Dr. Rejects Food Pyramid & Starts a Sheep Farm Instead

Does anybody want to go with me, or does everybody want to stay with Mom? What are you doing? I'm gonna go see my buddy Ken Berry. I kind of want to stay. Okay, looks like it's just me and my twin. Oh my gosh, we both chose navy blue shirts, black hats, from both bruises.

I'm not wearing the short shorts.

You know what happens, man? You're missing out. Well then, my legs are super white. I just embraced the awkwardness of beer. I am day 28— no, 27 on the carnivore diet. It's helping some of my symptoms with chronic Lyme. Today is a big day because I'm going to see Dr. Ken Berry, who is a carnivore MD who has played a big role in this path, this journey that I'm on. What do you know about Dr. Ken Berry?

I know that he was on an Abundance Plus exclusive.

Oh, that's right.

Interview, uh, consultation with you.

Well, he's also got a little farm. I think it's gonna be a good working, and I think it's going to be good for our health journey. Group hug! I'm gonna be gone 4 hours. 5, 6. Hi!

Bye!

Bye! I'm getting really excited now, and I'm thinking about it. I am alone in my carnivore journey. My friends, my family support support it, but I think most of them probably think it's nuts. So I'm the crazy man, and here I'm gonna go spend some time with somebody who doesn't at all think it's crazy. So I think that sense of community will, will give me strength to continue on the 60 days and beyond, probably. Here we are, a little homestead. I've got Ken a very special gift. Hey, my man.

Hey, hey.

Is it okay if we film?

Yeah.

Okay. All right. How you doing?

I'm good. How's it going?

Good. This is your food.

This is my food pyramid.

This is your priorities.

That's right, that's right.

The beef, the lamb, and pig. And I get that. Yeah, I get that.

That's it.

We got an incredible gift for him. We got a leg of lamb from our lamb because he was on our show, our podcast Abundance Plus, for an interview. He gave of his time. Looky here, man.

What you got?

Second on that food pyramid. Oh, that's lamb from our lamb.

Oh yes.

So thank you for that interview. Yeah.

Oh man, excellent. I'll put this in the freezer right now. Yeah, I think we can all fit in here.

Where are we heading?

We're headed to see the sheep. They're in the far paddock right now. So this is Nisha's raised bed garden, and we got 4 more boxes that we're gonna put on the hill here and try to use that wasted space. Yep, to grow some good stuff.

Are you guys like us where I'm eating mostly meat? Yeah, the woman likes her vegetables.

Yeah, and less and less so. We're actually raising more and more of this to feed the chickens. Ah, so literally The majority of the tomatoes will turn into eggs.

You just pointed out that you like asparagus and rhubarb. Yeah, you realize those are like— those are perennial.

Yeah, that's exactly why.

Less destruction to the environment, continually plant, no tilling.

That's right. Yeah, yeah. So the asparagus will be there for 20, 25 years.

I know.

And the horseradish will just take—

these are your cheats. That's right. Yeah, exactly. I like it.

And so if we don't eat that, that can turn into food for the quail, for the sheep, for the chickens. And, um, but the rhubarb rhubarb is one of the earliest sources of vitamin C in the spring, just in case we ever need vitamin C. Yeah, you can— you've got that very early in the season.

You're a carnivore MD. I mean, you're an MD with a carnivore mindset. Yeah. Uh, how did you start getting into growing food, or which came first?

So this, this came years ago. My grandfather, uh, had, had walnut trees, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries. He grew everything on his little 6-acre farm. And so I learned very early where food comes from. And, and so then in my paleo years, my primal years, before I discovered very, very low carb, I was always planting something— some blueberries, some this, some plant. And so now that I'm a carnivore, I still plant all that stuff because this is excellent starvation food. If, if, if, if the economy crashes and Walmart in town closes We're going to have layers and layers of food to keep us from starving to death, because that's the ultimate— that's, that's the primary goal.

Layers of being a human is not to starve to death. What do you think about this statement? Eating meat is the most vegan thing you could do if done properly.

I, I wholeheartedly agree with that, and with no disrespect to vegans, I have a great respect for them because they're at least thinking about their food.

Yeah, they're thinking about that.

Yeah, and that's the first step to becoming a carnivore. Is thinking about your food. That's where it's going to take you eventually. Sorry vegans, but it will, it will, I promise.

Ken, I'm about to eat lamb, nothing but lamb. Yeah, for about 7 days, or as long as one lamb lasts me. You think that's a good idea?

Great idea. Yeah.

How would you encourage me to eat that lamb and not get bored?

I have yet— and I've been carnivore for over 3 years— I have yet to sit down to a meal of succulent meat and eggs and say, I'm sick and tired of meat and eggs. Literally, I— it may happen to some people. Yeah, not saying it doesn't, but it's never happened to me. It's never happened to anybody I know. Because if you wait until you're truly hungry— yeah, to sit down, you're gonna smash that lamb every time, and you're going to be happy you had it.

This is their paddock.

Yeah, they're in here somewhere, but I don't know where they are.

Do they come to you? Here's their poop. They're hiding over there in the trees. There they are. There they go. Yeah, I was scared to death.

I was like, that's gonna be great. Justin comes and my sheep are out, they're gone. You're gonna, uh, are you sure you had sheep, Dr. Barry? Well, yeah, I do. There you go.

So you, what's your program on these? You got, you deworm these? You know, you hoof them? We, you feed them grain?

We feed them grass and water and sunshine. And shade.

And you got them locally?

Yeah, yeah.

How's that working out? Any naturally cold?

No, no, we haven't had any problems yet except with the guardian dog. Video coming. I'm ashamed to make it, but I'm still learning how to score sheep and stuff. But they look pretty healthy to me. They look like they're getting plenty to eat. They look pretty happy.

What do you think? We got the permaculture shepherd right here.

What do you think, man?

There's a few that are thin looking, but you got a good amount of threes in there.

What, a 3? What are you doing? You got a scale? You got a—

yeah, yeah, 3, 3.5 is the sweet spot.

Yeah, yeah, that's about what you're going to expect out of a grass head, right?

Um, you don't have any ones.

Good. Okay, I'll take that.

Yeah. Where's your pigs, man? You got ideal— they could help you make this pasture even quicker, right?

Probably next year we're going to get—

well, they're not your pro— I mean, you can prioritize.

I'm going to prioritize.

Tell me this. Dr. Ken Berry, I'm on day 20— 27 strict carnivore. Yeah, I can't eat a pork chop or pork belly. Like, we cherish this stuff. It's making me nauseous. Yeah, but I can eat bacon. What the heck?

Exactly. And that's why bacon is in Beef Butter Bacon and Eggs, is because almost everybody can tolerate it. It's a 1-to-1 fat to protein ratio, whereas a pork chop is just lean meat. Unless you make the—

So it's the flesh of the pig that's making me sick, not the fat?

It's not the fat, yeah. I think really, or bacon would make you the sickest.

So what the heck's up with that? Am I ever going to be able to eat like pigs for everyone? That's my thing.

Well, if you're starving, you can eat pork chops if you're starving, but otherwise we're slowing it down.

There's a holistic approach too. There ain't gonna be no grain shortage, or there ain't gonna be no food shortage or supply chain issue with grass.

That's right.

So we're using the pigs to help convert forest to pasture, 100%, yeah, so that we can have more lamb and beef.

Absolutely. And in worst case scenario, worst case scenario, you can feed the bacon or the pig— the pork chops to your guardian dog.

Oh yeah, right. Yeah, we're gonna do that with our old lady cow that we retire.

Yep.

I think we're gonna do a whole, whole cow cut where bones and liver and everything gets put in packages. Absolutely. And feed it to the dog.

All the bones, all the awful— all that stuff goes for the dogs. Or feed it to the pigs, or that— or make the best bone broth in the world. Any of that stuff is possible.

Is that pretty common that somebody would get intolerant of pork?

Well, the lean pork, it's very common. Once, once you get rid of all the other inflammation that the other processed plant foods was causing, and then you're just eating meat, you— most people quickly find that the ruminants— yeah, cattle, sheep, goat, uh, camel, reindeer, caribou, water bison, whatever, wherever you live in the world— those are the meats where you feel the best.

Ruminants.

Yes, ruminants. That's right.

Isn't that special? Yeah, converting what we can't eat. Exactly. Pigs are kind of competing because we can eat the same thing.

Plus a pig would eat—

so they're kind of a threat. Oh, certainly would. No, I don't forget it. All I got to do is feed them every day.

They're monogastric just like us. They'll eat anything.

Is it because I'm only eating pork? Like, maybe if I had— if I had onions and apples with it, it wouldn't be— or my family isn't experiencing that intolerance?

That might be the medicinal nature of some of the plants that our ancestors have been eating with meat forever, is to knock down that that weird gastrointestinal reaction that some of us have to pork.

Yeah, because I find myself really desiring like some fried onions and apples to go with this, and it tastes really good together.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, but we, uh, we use garlic and onion as condiments, as spices, and I think, I think they taste great, duh. But I think there's probably more to the story than that that we'll rediscover as we go on this journey.

Yeah. All right, what should I do then at the end of these 60 days strict carnivore if, if, if one of my symptoms are addressed? Say my back is still not stiff, but that's, that's what it's helping the most, right? I have a stiff back. I still have Candida issues, jock itch, athlete's foot. My feet still hurt from the Babesia, the co-infection of Lyme. It's not touched that yet. It's definitely— I'm losing weight. I've lost 10 pounds in 3 weeks. Nice. I have less inflammation in my back. What do I intro first? What's, what's going to be the least, less, the most unlikely culprit? Causing this inflammation.

Yeah, so some people— there's two strategies. Some people will reintroduce the things they love the most because they miss it.

What about yogurt? I love that the most.

I think if it's a full-fat, raw, completely fermented raw yogurt, it's probably going to be fine. But even for some people, that's too much.

That's yeast, right? Isn't it?

Or is it—

or is the sugar has been eaten up?

Yeah, the sugar's been eaten up.

I shouldn't go for a chug of milk?

No, I would never drink liquid milk again for the rest of your life. Kids, it's okay up until age 5, 6. Okay, they're— they can tolerate the lactose and, and they can tolerate the, the casein and the whey. But after the age of 5, 6, Beckett will never drink milk.

So should it be— so it's basically what you feel like. I mean, but you have to stay within certain parameters. It probably shouldn't be banana.

Probably not. There's no nutritional reason to eat a banana.

Yeah, it's delicious.

Yeah, yeah, but there's stacks of sugar, right? If you're going to eat something, eat avocado, right? Eat something that's more nutrient-dense.

Oh, introduce avocado, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that'd be a good one. The flesh of a fruit.

That's right.

That's not a lot of sugar in it.

And that's the lowest carb.

What about a pickle, man? I kind of crave a fermented—

100% pickles, yeah.

And a pickle would be better than a sauerkraut? Because that's a green, that's a cabbage.

I don't know which would be better. It probably depends on you personally, your gut microbiome, from versus vegetable. Many other things, exactly, yeah. But a lot of people get really tore up about fermentation. They think that that's magic. Yeah, it's not magic, and I'm sorry if that offends anybody, but what that does is it makes the plant edible. It doesn't release any kind of magical phytonutrients. It just makes the plant less toxic and less inflammatory.

Preservation technique too, so it could be a survival issue.

Exactly right. Yeah, but there's nothing magical about fermented pickles. They taste great and they're less inflammatory. Yeah, but you're not unlocking any secret, you know, Taoistic— there's none of that.

Where do you get the gut health then if you're not going to do ferments?

So the gut health is just like everything else. It doesn't need your help. Just like these sheep, they don't need my help to eat grass and drink water. They got that. I don't have to come out here and track how much—

would you say bone broth or— so don't even worry about it.

The bacteria in your gut— now if you're sick, yes, bone broth, fermented, right? Do all the things to heal it. But once it's on the road to healing, it doesn't need your help. It's just like the sheep in the pasture. This is its pasture. They're going to do what they need to do. Okay, anything you do is potentially mucking up what they're— what they need to do.

So you're not buying into this new gut movement?

Well, I am. I think it's very important, but currently we don't know enough to even have an opinion. So anybody out there who's got an opinion, or definitely if they've got a probiotic supplement, you can hit the unfollow button because they literally don't know what they're talking about.

So we just need to go to what we've been doing our entire existence and just eat a lot of meat.

Eat a lot of meat, eat a little bit of veg if you want it, and your gut bacteria, just like the season Just like the sheep in pasture, they'll take care of it. These sheep know I don't need to be eating the poke salad. They know that. I don't have to come out here and train them for that. Your gut bacteria the same way. The only way you can muck them up is if you feed them the wrong stuff.

And notice meat is always in season.

Always in season. And having livestock in the pasture is the ultimate food storage.

So maybe slow down, not, not introduce the yogurt right away.

Yeah, I mean, if, if you love it, if you love it, avocado But don't eat yogurt because you think there's something magical.

So should I eat the yogurt for how long and then to see if it's going to affect me?

Well, you're going to do 90 days of carnivore?

Yeah.

Yeah, so you'll— what you'll notice is when you reintroduce something that's a no-go, your body will immediately let you know.

Ken, we've been walking around for 2 hours. This is about my health journey, man, and my back's sore. I'm— I feel like I need to sit down. Yeah, and you know, I have chronic Lyme, been dealing with it for 10 years. Do I really have a hope at this? Do I really have a hope that strict carnivore and that diet can really make that big of a difference? Yeah, and I can get rid of some of these chronic pains. Yeah, you really think so? So this is worth it? Yes, when the kids are eating donut, gluten-free, right? Don't feel sorry for myself. You really think it's going to work?

Yeah. And so when I say it's going to work, here's what I mean. You're going to get at least some degree of improvement in your symptoms. For some people, that's 99.9%, it's essentially gone. For other people, okay, they're like, man, my, my Lyme is 75% better, my fibromyalgia is 75% better, and you don't understand what a victory that is. Okay, because for some of these chronic conditions, there might be some permanent long-term sequelae that you're just stuck with. But what if you can make it 75% better? Would that be worth it for you?

Uh, yeah, I would.

Yeah, exactly, it would. And so don't, don't set your goal as perfection because few of us can actually hit that.

10% 10% might not be worth it.

Right, 10%, but what about 30, 40? What percentage would you say?

I'm at 3, and if I've minimized one symptom pretty well in 4 weeks, so I'm half, I'm doing 60 days, I'm halfway there.

Yeah.

And maybe I feel 20-ish percent better.

Yeah.

How far do you think I can take this?

I think you could take it easily to 60 to 80% because you've been suffering with this for years.

Yeah.

It's not going to go away overnight. It's going to take, it's going to take weeks if not months. And so I would encourage you to finish the full challenge and then assess at that point. And don't just go by how you feel. Yeah, ask your wife, ask your family, ask your friends, because a lot of times we get used to the body we're in, looking for the pain. Right, right. And what's going to happen is your next-door neighbor's going to be like, Justin, dude, you're out here running and gunning. I've never seen you so active. And you might be like, huh, I didn't even think of that.

Where can folks find you if they want more?

So if you're looking for, for medical and nutritional information, uh, just search for Dr. Berry on YouTube.

Okay.

We do have a small farm channel, it's called OB Farms.

Okay.

Oxford for Nisha's grandfather, Berry for me. And, uh, we're, we're trying to post 2 or 3 videos a week on the farm channel and help it grow.

All right, good.

Thanks a lot for coming by and giving me the great advice you did.

Yes, sir.

What I'm doing wrong.

Man, Kent over-delivered as always. I do feel strengthened, confirmed in what I'm doing, and I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna last. I asked a very personal question at the end. You can probably hear desperation and hope in my voice. Is this really gonna work? Because I've tried so many different things. I'm enjoying this though. This isn't that hard. Is it gonna work? And I don't believe it. I don't believe it. And I probably should start believing it because that's a placebo effect, but that helps me start to believe. If I ask smart people who's helped a lot of people, is it gonna help me? And at some point I'm gonna have to step out on faith in something. It's gonna break my heart if I think this is gonna help and it doesn't. Let's everybody go say goodbye to Dan. Goodbye. He's officially part of the family now.

Bye, Josiah.

Bye, love you.

Bye-bye. Bye, Jaden. Bye, Beck.

Bye, Henry.

You ordering it? You done ordering? I just finished ordering it. Alright. Pick up. To our favorite place, Urban Market. You guys ready? One last time. Yay! All sad. Mom, looks delish. Steak and potatoes. Are we saying you're steaks and potato girl? Maybe.

I am.

Mr. Brown with some pizza, Lily with some chicken tacos, everybody else with chicken tacos plus some street corn. Get that corn out of my face! Get that corn out of my face!

Get that corn out of my face!

Looks like we're having dinner and a movie. Classic. Catching up on those Seinfelds. I ordered just the carne asada. Yes, I'm gonna be that guy while I'm in 60 Days. I am gonna be pulling my— the onions off. Supper's over. It is so hard at night not to to eat normally. The cravings rage. Just want to eat like a normal person. I know in the morning I'll be fine and I'll be happy I didn't eat like a normal person. Yeah, it's not even dark outside. We're going to bed. You guys want more of Ken? There's actually 20+ more minutes to this video. We made an extended version. It's in Abundance Plus. You can sign up for that at abundanceplus.com. Ken's got a book. Did you guys know that? Ken has a book, The Lies Your Doctor Told You. We're giving that book away for anyone who— the next 100 orders. If you go, you want to go to kenonabundanceplus.com, or I'll give you the link down in the description. You got to go through that special link so we pick up on you and we get you that book. But yeah, you might as well sign up for Abundance Plus, get the free book, Get Ken's bonus, get Ken's— I had him on a podcast with my doctor and she had some concerns about the carnivore diet. We hashed those out and so I think it's worth checking out. That's KenOnAbundancePlus.com, link down in the description.