EP26 Kari and Paul - State & Mindset

This is the Empowered athlete podcast, episode 26. Hello everyone, it's the Empowered Athlete Podcast. And today Kari and I will be discussing State how it relates to our mindset and how it helps us perform in sport, work and life.

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Absolutely. It's a great fit. And I think, Kari, to begin with, let's define what we're talking about here with stage, state and our mindset just so we have a little context.

So we want to give you some tips from our experiences on how state and mindset make a huge difference in what you're doing. So whether it's your performance, your match, your game, your career, whatever it is, and you need to be in your top performing self, then your mindset or your state make that difference. And what your state is is a combination of your physiology. So, so that physical state and your focus. So what your emotion is at that time and also your language, what words are you using which also cause emotion and change your physiology?

That's the one I forget.

The language.

Yeah, I always think about. Obviously number one comes to mind from my state is motion is energy and activity and that sort of thing. But the move, your body language is the one that is a big one. The way the words you're using can literally shape a conversation or how you're thinking about something and the energy around.

It more so as well. We don't often think of the words we're using in our heads that aren't even coming out of our mouths. So we have all this language going on in our heads and that influences our state. You can see someone walk in a room who is really down or, you know, morose and you know that there are words going on in their head that we can't see or hear that are causing part partially causing that state.

Yeah, it's that soundtrack in the background running in their mind that is really being projected outwards and how they look and how you're reading their body language and all of that.

Absolutely. So what we're going to do here is we're going to give you our best tips to create your best state, whether it's pre game or for that big presentation at work, or for me it's coaching often or pre race. And, and we hope that these steps make a big difference for your best performance.

So I think I will. I didn't write down a whole bunch of points per se. I've been thinking this through and just really went back to my playing days and obviously had some success on the court and, and a big part of that was my mental state, my focus and my mindset. So just wanted to share a few things that I did pregame that made a big difference and also made a big difference for the team. Because in volleyball it is about the team, it's not about one person. And the mindset of the team can fluctuate in a game, pregame, post game, all those sorts of things. So to begin with, obviously physical, my warmup and my eating routine, what was going into my body and how I was warming up physically and preparing for a match became a bolted down science so that I knew exactly what I needed to physically feel right before a game. But where it gets a little trickier is more around what I'm feeling in my mind and thinking. So obviously a big match, if it was an Olympic qualifier, if it was a European cup match or a playoff game, it's easy to get the energy up, the mental energy and the anticipation and the juices flowing and that sort of thing. But where it's hard and where you've got to be professional is when you're playing off in Tokat in the middle of Turkey in the middle of winter against a team that's in second to last place and you've been on a bus for eight hours, you gotta bring it and you've gotta bring it and be professional. Exactly. Though it sounds funny, but those are the hardest matches you will ever play.

But especially when you're the foreigner, you're the big gun, you're being paid more than some of the other locals and they have a huge expectation for you to perform and you gotta step up.

Totally. Right? Because if the team sucks, if the team doesn't perform, they're looking at me first.

Right. And at the same time, here's a question for you. Would you get frustrated when. Cause you know this happens a lot when other people on your team were just dragging. They're not pulling their weight, they're just. Not only are they not pulling their own weight, they're pulling the team down.

As a young player, absolutely. So as a young player, I was just so hungry to play pro. Every single game was a blast. But you know, fast forward five years, seven years in the career, 10 years, I grew to realize and just understand that the guys are having those feelings. They're not up for this match, it's not a big game, it was tough travel, it's a crappy gym, etc etc and I came to realize that I needed to take action to a make sure I'm ready and my state is good. So for me that was, you know, putting on some good music, getting things going, playing a prank, doing a joke, getting up and moving.

Can you share a prank or a joke that you might have done that's, that's suitable for. It's not going to get anybody in big trouble.

I don't know, it's. There's the basics. See if you're ever eating with a team at the table.

This is a, this is a basic prank. Is this the way you call it?

Always, always check that the salt lid is on. Okay, bottom line, never leave your drink alone. Never leave your drink alone. And basically never leave your food alone. So you can just kind of let your mind go as to what might happen there just some basic ground rules everybody should know. All you rookies out there take note. But back to my point is that got to get the energy up somehow. So that's personal. It's different for everyone. It can be watching something motivational video, listening to an awesome podcast, perchance music, what have you. So get yourself going. But part two of that is recognizing the team state. So yes. Did it bother me, those other players? Absolutely it would if I saw that people weren't putting effort in to get game ready. Okay, I understand you're not up two hours before the game. That's normal. We don't want to be. But when game time's rolling around and somebody's dragging, that's where you have to have the awareness outside of how you're feeling, of taking a pulse of the group and what you're seeing there. And that happens throughout the match as well. If there's a dip in confidence or the team seems to be getting too high, a little loose and out of control and losing focus. Those are key points where as a good teammate, you can grab somebody and either lift them up or pull them back a little bit and reset focus and mindset. So a couple key skills that I kind of just evolved to learn throughout my career.

There's that critical point of. It's not anxiety, but excitement overall, that critical point of excitement, because if it's beyond that, then it's too much wasted energy and it's not providing the optimal outcome. And I've seen coaches time and time again get frustrated when their players are screaming too much in the match or on the field or on the court, or expending too much energy because the coach knows that they aren't directing that energy well enough and they aren't going to be able to sustain that energy for that next match in the tournament or that next game, the next day or the next weekend. And so it's. And that's such a sign of maturity as an athlete and as a professional that that per individual can bring the level of state but not make it over the top. Crazy. And just obliterate their own energy.

That's totally it. And coaches, because they're that step back from the group, can see it more easily than you can see it for yourself, or maybe the team can see it. And really the goal is that golden standard. You've heard it called flow, heard it being called in the zone. As a player, that's where you want to be. It's not too high, it's not too low. It's just in that autopilot mode where everything seems to be happening just a little bit slower. You can see everything clearly. You, Your energy's up, but you're not completely revved and losing it. And you're just in that peak state, that perfect sweet spot you want to be in when you're playing, when you do your best. And so that was always the goal with state. And it's hard to get there. And I just want to point out that really, for the most important matches, getting there means pulling your state back. I know for myself, before the Champions League final.

Yeah.

The night before, I slept maybe two and a half hours.

Yeah.

Because I was so buzzed and wired from winning that semi. And holy crap, we are playing for the volleyball Stanley cup tomorrow.

Yeah.

Against Treviso. And it's. You're just electric. So the real Skill comes in and pulling that energy back. I don't want to be burning that up at five in the morning, seven in the morning when the game's going to be that night.

Yeah.

And so it was literally things like reading, pulling out a magazine and burying myself in a car magazine or something like that to try to pull my mind off of where it just wants to go. And that's getting excited and revved up for the match way too soon, way too early. And I just could feel this constant internal struggle of trying to pull my state back. And I found that was a lot harder to do always than to get up for a game. You can, you can create positive energy really fast, but being aware that you're too high and pulling it back, I found took a lot longer to get good at.

And do you think that if you had had training or practice in meditation or relaxation techniques or things like that, do you think that would have helped you at that time? Because I know at that time you weren't trained in those things. And it's, it is a practice.

Yeah, 100%. So I mentioned reading. I did find some things that worked, but distracted, didn't have any meditation skills, which would have been amazing to have at that point.

Yeah.

So I was able to get it done by finding a quiet spot. I'd stay in the dressing room a lot longer than other guys. I wouldn't get out into the atmosphere of the stadium until basically when I wanted to start my warmup and get the physical aspect going, locking down with the book or some type of distraction.

So most athletes will have headphones on, get into their own music if they've gone into their own zone versus being within the team zone. So the team zone might be pumping music throughout the dressing room and doing the whole like chemistry and the whole vibe with the team. Some teams have their own specific playlist pre game and that kind of thing versus getting into your own thing for your part of your own warm up with headphones and things like that.

Yeah. I found that team music, team pump up thing went away the better I got. It became more and more the responsibility of the individual. And everyone respected that. Everyone was different.

You knew that not everybody's gonna like the same music.

Exactly. And it's ridiculous to think that you're all on the same page going into each game and need the same thing to be ready for it. So there was a lot of respect around each guy's pregame ritual. And headphones are a great way to kind of go off in your own world. Either putting on music that might be pulling you back or taking the other direction or what have.

And that's the difference I see between a higher level pro athlete versus say a provincial or university level athlete. Because around that provincial or university level, if they're on a team sport, not individual sport, but a team sport, they're typically still jamming together with their kind of team playlist or specific songs and pumping each other up that way.

Totally. So that's my anecdotal view of looking back on my state and getting in the right mindset. What have you got for us in terms of, you know, before we go.

On, I'm still curious because this is one of the questions we ask our athletes and that's like, do you have some favorite music? Maybe it's pump up music for your games. You must have like a song or two that were key for you a number of years ago. If you think back 15 years ago and you and that song came on right now, it would immediately bring you back to pre game for some major events. Like, was there. What. What's one or two songs that are like your favorite pump up songs?

I'm gonna go all the way back to high school.

Oh, my gosh.

The year that we went offset and went all the way finally in my last year, and it was the year that House of Pain Jump around came out. Oh, my gosh.

So that.

That was the song that was kind of a team pump up song.

We should play that in our house for the kids.

The House of Pain was a. A classic.

That's fantastic. Okay, cool. I love it. Another one. Do you have another one.

So long? It depends on when it was. I know, but I needed it less and less for the big game, so I guess. Oh, I don't know. There's too many things. I'll have to come back to you on that.

Okay.

Okay, Coming in at once.

So I. I set five key steps here in order to set your best state and mindset. And. And I want these to be transfer the workplace for career, but also for sport and pregame. And I have a quote here, and I don't know where this exactly came from, but I know who I heard it from. And it was from a coach who worked in our gym and power conditioning from Jeff Watson. And he would say, did you come here for something to do or did you come here to do something? And that's how I want to start. This one is number one is setting intention. So, yeah, like set your intention so it doesn't matter whether you're coming into a practice or for me, coaching a session or you're going into a workday, set your intention. What am I here to accomplish? When I worked with Hockey Canada, there was a key point that everybody, every athlete, every coach, every staff member got educated on what is your role? You needed to understand what your role was, and then that really helped people set their own intentions on how they were going to perform in any given task, whether it was practice, scrimmages, you name it. And then the question I want to follow up with in this is, who do I need to be for this role? So if I'm stepping in as a coach or a manager or a player or the, you know, the closer, whatever I am, who do I need to be for this role? Do I need to be a leader? Do I need to be a supporter? Do I need to be a motivator? What is needed in that? So that's. Number one, is setting that intention. And go ahead.

I was just gonna say we're obviously talking a lot about sport, but I'm picturing in the business world just how important what you just said is. If you imagine a leader or a manager, somebody in a position of authority, setting up for a meeting to be clear on what is my goal with this meeting, what outcome do I want to get from my people, or what message do you want to get across? But the second part of who do I need to be in order, really just hammers home and wakes you up to the fact that for you to be persuasive to you, for you to be a leader, for you to inspire, you need to come across a certain way. And that, that thought, that statement gets you back to, okay, what is my state?

And it goes back to that physiology. And also, where are your emotions at and where's your language at? Those are the three key portions of state. Awesome. Okay, so number two is preparation. So really prepare. And I find this is such a vital step to really increase confidence in any level or any scenario. So as a coach, for me, as a strength coach, I would be following typically a larger periodized plan that either I had developed myself or working together with exercise physiologist, with a team, whatever it would be. However, in the business world, this might be your quarterly plan or your annual plan.

And.

And in this preparation, I have a knowledge of my athlete or my client. So when I'm prepared, I might have. If I haven't seen an athlete or a client for a week or a month, I've probably checked in with them in some form so that I know what's going on for them before I actually see them. That's also stepping into my preparation. But if this was in the business world, it might mean knowing your audience. Can you think of, if any of. If anyone's been in that situation where you've stepped into a room or stepped into a situation or stepped into a party, even where it was something that you weren't expecting and you realize, oh, I wish I had known what the dress code was, or, oh, I wish I knew my audience was all 50 and above, or, you know, there's these key things you need to know. Your athlete, your client, your. Your group that you're working with. So. And then.

That makes me think. You think about being prepared, but tying it back to state. How do you feel if you have a big presentation or a big game and you're not prepared, if you don't have a game plan, if you haven't got a set of notes that you're going for for a speech, chances are, unless you're a bit of a freak, you're going to be more stressed, more nervous, more anxious, because your brain is working on things that aren't in place.

Exactly. And that's. That's where preparation is so vital. And it just. It allows that calm state to have. It allows that calm state to be present so you can be more focused to bring what you need to bring for the. For the situation. Because you're not thinking about the details. You're not thinking about what needs to happen next, because that's already planned out. The workout that I am bringing a team is already planned out. And then from there, when I know what's gonna happen for that presentation or that training session or that coaching call, whatever it is it means, then I'm visualizing how that's gonna play out. I need to see in my head what this looks like. And I learned the hard way on this because there was a point in time where I was training a group of. So I trained the men's national senior team. But then right after that, the women's national team would be coming in, and maybe 30 minutes later, one of the B teams might be. And I'd have assistants, and I'd have huge groups of people working out. And every element of those training sessions need to be coordinated. Plus all of those athletes had specialized things that they needed to do. So there are so many moving parts. If you're thinking of how many different coaches are on a football team, you know, you can imagine in that scenario, there's so many different parts. So someone needs to be able to visualize where the bottlenecks will be ahead of time and mitigate that with how that session is planned or whatever it is. I'm giving a training session as an example. But there are so many things in life that this, that this pertains to. It could be, you know, project management, it could be training sessions, preparing for certain systems for a sport team, it could be almost anything. It could be our family going on bloody vacation because there's so many moving parts. But the, the visualization can be that last step in your preparation that gives you the insight as to where there's going to be a problem and how to get take the measures necessary ahead of time. So that's really the preparation. That's number two to really help you be in your best mindset. And number three is setting expectations for who you're working with. So for instance, if somebody's on your team and every time you show up, you know there are things going on that just don't work for the best case scenario for that team. You want to make sure that you can do your best in terms of getting across some communication, some expectations that you might have for the people that you're working with.

So for instance, and sorry, that's in anticipation of things that will pull you out of your state and mindset.

Bingo. Because. So, for instance, to have an optimal scenario with an athlete, I want that athlete of mine to know that they need to be there early. And that doesn't mean just on time. They come early and they start rolling out, they start doing some of their preparatory physical things before I have that session with them. And that's part of what their responsibility is. And then when they're prepared that way, they can also have a responsibility of communicating back. So if that person's not communicating, this applies for any sort of scenario. A workplace, a family. Without that communication, it's going to continually affect your state. If you've got someone that's pulling the state down, pulling the state down because they're not stepping into their role. But here's the key thing. They may not know what their role is unless you have taken the time and energy to communicate that with them, define it exactly. And that's teammates, that's co workers, that's family members. Those are all those scenarios. And what we tend to do as human beings, we walk around thinking that they should know, thinking that they should know what we need from them. Yeah, totally.

I assume a lot.

Oh, honey, that's for Another. Yeah, exactly. So that's number three and number four. This is where the music comes in. It's creating your environment. Create that. It could be you jumping around a little bit. That's your physical state. Some people like little rebounders, those little mini trampolines. But the music, the movement, the cleanliness of your environment. I know coaches who set up soccer balls that are exactly like one soccer ball width apart, and all of the balls are lined up on the field that way. Or hockey equipment managers who have every jersey with perfection, you know, ironed, perfect, you name it. So the environment, the cleanliness where things are. Is your equipment prepped? Do you have the music that you want? Do you have all your clothes, your jersey, your equipment for work, all of that set out? This might be your food prep as well, your snacks, anything that you need. So all of that creating your environment, creating everything around you in a way that works for your best state. It is aligned with who you want to be, what you want to accomplish, the intention you want to set that is creating your environment. So, yes, I know what your next.

Point is and to the point you just made. There's a lot of things as an athlete that are outside of your control.

Bingo.

The lighting in the gym, the condition of the floor.

Yep.

We played a match with the national team against France in Tunisia where there was bird shit all over the floor. Yep. And then done. And the birds were in.

There would be therapists in those going, they're going to catch some virus from these viruses.

Yes. Obviously control all of the environment. But on the flip side to your next point.

Yes. This is number five, and it's being adaptable. Can I pivot quickly and adjust? That's the question you need to ask yourself in any scenario. Can I act quickly, pivot and adjust? Because it doesn't matter whether it's somebody else on your team wants different music or whether the weather comes in and you've got a key flight to catch, whether there's. You know, one time not long ago, Paul and I were doing a race in North Carolina, and it was a fairly competitive race, and we. We were there way, way, way too early in the dark. And what it meant is that we were standing around freezing for quite some time, which changed everything. Prep for the race. Right. So it could be weather, it could be timing, it could be traffic rushing you right before. But that's the question. Can I pivot quickly and can I adjust so that I can still be in the state I need to be, Be who I need to be set my attention again and accomplish what I need to accomplish.

Yeah. And I just add that that's really tough to do, especially if I'm going to go to sports. The event that you're in is a key game. It's a key part of your season where you need a win, you need a certain performance, and that's where you've got to get back to just the belief and the effort you've put in, the training you've put in and who you are and having confidence in that and not the crutches of your routine that you've created. I'm using the word crutch because if your warmup is cut short by 10 minutes, you still need to find a way to be able to play and perfect world. You have your routines where you can control everything, but each time you lose one of those items, it can affect your outlook or your positivity or the group that you're with. And that's a really tough thing to do. And being adaptable, I think is a trained skill. And it's also a skill that you'll have confidence in if you deliberately mess with yourself once in a while. I think if you have a same bolted down routine that is too airtight when you can control it. If you don't toss some flexibility in there once in a while in certain areas, then any kind of change in your plan will be extremely stressful.

Well, this is where what we're looking at here is critical in the mindset portion because a lot of the things we've talked about are the things that we can control. And then also even communicating with others to not control them, but also make sure that you have common ground with the people that you're working with. So those are all the elements that you can control. And there's always going to be the things you can't. But guess what you can control in those unexpected situations. It's going to be your thoughts, your mind, your state, and those things are going to come at you. And oftentimes that's the thing that we've been trained the least in is to how to control our own emotions, how to ask the right questions of ourselves. So you might go back to these same questions that we talked about in the beginning, but you might have to re ask them in a different situation. So we've got say everybody's late and pressured for time. Okay, what is my role? Who do I need to be for this role? You can still ask those same questions and different answers might come up, but it's controlling Your own emotional mindset, using language, using your physical output, using your thoughts in order to direct your emotion.

For sure. And I would add one more thing to that and it's anticipating the crap. So for me personally, I learned throughout my career every single match to just expect flat out three calls that I would think are absolutely wrong and just expect it.

Yeah. To lose your mind over that is a waste of your energy.

And the other thing, every single team sport listener, I hope right now, I don't hope, but has experience being in a game and somebody goes down with an injury.

Yeah.

You cannot be thrown by that. It is going to happen, guaranteed. If you play long enough. Yeah. So you need to think about that now before. Who do I need to be? How do I want to react? What kind of teammate do I want to be? So that when it happens, when the crap goes down, you've been there already mentally, and you've got that practice and then it's easier to take. And if you don't do those things, they're going to hit you hard. Somebody goes down, oh, my God, we've lost our setter. This match is over.

Yeah.

You will have those thoughts or your teammates will. Yeah. And that's where you step up as a leader.

Yes.

And right. The ship.

Yeah. And that's what I see so much in individual sport athletes that they don't have often those teammates close next to them. Right. In those scenarios. So it can be a spiraling, really fast sinking ship if something's gone wrong and it's only them and they're not mentally practiced. It's not about being mentally strong. We all have the ability to. It's about being mentally practiced to redirect the thoughts and redirect the questions in order to affect the state and the emotion and what's going to actually come out.

Yeah. That's just sound advice. Really solid. And they always speak about experienced athletes, and that really is a big, big component of being experienced, is having been exposed to those various situations and learning to go through them.

It's exactly why the coach in the example we gave earlier, whether it's a manager, a supervisor, a coach, they look and they see. And when they see someone on the court or on the field expending too much energy, the reason that they know that that's going to be a mistake is because they've seen it thousands of times before. It's not because they, you know, have a Magic 8 ball that they're seeing the future. It's because they've seen it thousands of times before. So, you know, if you're a young player and a coach says, hey, you know, let's just regain our focus, or it's not because they're making what you're doing wrong or anything like that. It's because they know that it's going to cause some repercussions that aren't going to be good for you or anybody else.

Yeah. Well, that's. That's a fantastic list. I think the points you have there are great to think about. And your last point, that you've got to get the reps, those mental reps of going through this. That's.

It's such a practice just like anything else. Yeah. And, you know, kudos to you because for pro athletes like the situation that you were in, so many of them don't get the guidance or the practice or figure it out for themselves, and they end up having an emotional roller coaster throughout their career, and it's a real, real struggle to continually try and perform, and it's much harder than it needs to be simply because they didn't have the practice or no one helped them with it, or they never figured it out on their own. So, you know, and that's something that I think for you, there was such a massive driver in the outcome that you were doing everything and anything you needed to do in order to make sure the outcome would happen. It wasn't that you were, you know, so dedicated to routine prep. It was that you wanted your outcome more than anything.

Yeah. I don't know if it's evil, but it's absolutely right. I wanted it so bad that I would be highly manipulative. I would say things to certain players that may be completely untrue, knowing that they would react the way I wanted them to.

Mm. Yeah.

I would say things that would be a lie, and a little context is needed. But I basically think of it in the sense of I was just trying to push people's buttons in a way that I know that they're gonna respond in that situation in the way the team needed them to, even if it wasn't something I truly believe myself as saying to them. I might think that their performance is a horror show while I was saying it, but I would lie through my teeth and make something up. Or again, given the situation, find the right words to get that person going and back on track.

Yeah. Because the bigger picture was more important to you than criticizing where they were at at that moment. And the bigger picture, it's not like. I mean, just to be totally straight here, you were an athlete who hated to lose so badly that you. Yes, it was for the greater good of the team, but because you hated for your team to lose and you wanted that win, you were so entirely focused and competitive.

Yeah. So it brings out the dark side.

A little bit, but everybody has the dark side.

It was for the greater good.

Dark side, too. It's okay. It's okay. Okay, we're gonna wrap this one up.

No. Well, speaking of dark side.

What?

The last question I had, the book from the book about giving the antidote to one of the two dying people, was pretty dark.

Oh.

It is your turn to choose what it was from the Book of Questions so we can learn a little bit more about.

I delete those. Once we do them, I forget what they are.

Okay, so I'm gonna need a number.

121.

I am turning to 121 in the book of Questions. If anyone's looking for this book. It was again written by Gregory Stock, PhD.

Does it go that high? 121.

Oh, yeah. Okay, in the middle here. Were you able to wake up tomorrow in the body of someone else? Would you do. So whom would you pick?

If I was able to wake up tomorrow in the body of someone else?

So, A, would you. And B, whose body would you wake up in?

Okay, but let's. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put a. I'm gonna put something just as a.

Precursor to this.

Yes. A precursor in that it's for a day. Like, it's not. Does it say. It doesn't say. Right?

It doesn't. So let's. We'll say it's for.

Say it's for a date. So, yes, is number one. I would love to wake up in somebody else's body just because I've always been curious. I'm a body watcher.

I'm dying to know who you pick.

You.

Come on.

You.

What? Of all the people in the world, you choose me?

Yeah. Well, it's the first thing that came to mind, I guess if I had time to think about it more. But yeah, like, I mean, I like bodies and I like to. But yeah, you got a pretty good body. So I'd like to see how that felt to run and jump and. Yeah, I'd probably wreck your 15 years ago. I'd probably wreck your body for a day.

Like, the next day going, what happened? Be the hangover? Basically, piece it together. You take a bunch of pictures, selfies. All right, so really quick, though. If it was for a longer period of time, say it was. And I would assume that you would lose that time of your life in your current body.

Oh, I don't know. Well.

Say next minimum, a year, it.

Have to be maybe one of the kids. So I could, like, so I could go. Because I'd know in my brain what I could do and I could go and develop their body for six months or a year because I'd have the.

No. The ultimate mothering move. Well, there you have it.

That's my thing. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't. But yeah, I'd have to really kind of think about certain athletes or things like that that are out there. But, you know, I've got some pretty solid ones near and dear to me, so it's good.

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