Leigh Martinuzzi - The Hidden Why Podcast

This is episode 240 of the Empowered Team podcast. Welcome to the Empowered Team podcast where we explore how to optimize your performance in career, sport and life. And now your host, executive coach and life strategist, Kari Schneider.

This is the Hidden wife podcast, episode 1078, my interview with Kari Schneider and we're discussing Empowered to succeed. Enjoy. Hi, Kari. Welcome to the Hidden Wife podcast. Great to have you here today.

Why thank you. It's great to be here.

Whereabouts are you in the world?

I am in sort of eastern Canada. I'm about an hour and a half from Toronto, but not all the way to eastern Canada since like your country. Ours is a very big country.

Sort of eastern Canada. Okay. I like it.

Sort of, sort of on the east side of Canada. Not central, not western, not full eastern, but sort of east side of Canada.

Okay. And you're, you've got a bit of a backstory. So you're a, you're currently a life coach, got a podcast that you're running, work with, helping other people live their best lives, I suppose. But you come from a professional coaching background, don't you?

Yes. Yeah. And currently I love to help people reach their high performance, whatever that looks like in companies and consulting. But ultimately I came from a background in strength and conditioning at the highest level of sport. So in Canada we have what's called a Canadian sport institute. We have a number of those across the the country, similar to the Australian Sport Institute, but we have a number of them in Canada. Okay. And we. And in the one that I worked in, I was a head of strength and conditioning for teams like the Canadian national volleyball team for the men's team and the women's team. I also worked with national level triathletes, rugby hockey, swimmers. I worked with the women's national hockey team for three years leading into the Sochi gold medal in the Olympics.

Yeah.

And. And spent a very long time working with high performance athletes, high performance clients, and then just really whoever was looking for their next, their next best.

Wow. Lots of variety there by the sounds of it.

Yeah, there's a very big difference between a, a tiny 5 foot tall aerial skier and a massive rugby hooker. So, you know, lots of. I've had all kinds of different physical experiences with the, with the athletes, but ultimately it. The real success, even though we were doing a lot of physical transformation, the real success came in the mindset or the mental transformation. And, and that's. I dove when I realized that, that, you know, I have a master's degree in lumbar spine kinematics and I'm an exercise physiologist and I have research and heart rate variability and all these physical things. But the, the more, the more detailed we can go into the minutiae of getting more and more refined on a topic. What I realized is that that didn't matter as much as what really they believed about their ability. And that took me down a path of a lot of work into understanding the brain and mindset and cognitive behavior change and just things like that because ultimately that, that led to the incredible outcomes.

Enhanced performance. Right. Yeah, I've heard that before on the show here and read about it as well. So it's pretty interesting how the mind can, can really alter our performance and success in life. What gets you into that role? Like how did you get into that role as a coach for this, the institute?

It's interesting. I, I went to school for kinesiology. I went to school in the States for a little while. I finished my degree in Canada and then I started certification processes for to be an athletic therapist and a strength and conditioning specialist. And I knew I wanted to go into strength and conditioning, but I was doing every other certification to support that. So I would be really, really good at what I did and be able to speak, speak every language. The language of rehabilitation, the language of high performance, the language of physiology and so. And the language of biomechanics. I did a master's degree in biomechanics and. But I loved high performance sport. I fell in love with it and I, I started getting contracts with the Canadian Sport Institute.

Were you always into sports? Well, like, are you a sporty person?

Yeah, I, I played soccer in high school. I competed in track in university. So I was very mentally and physically competitive in, in the, in the team sports, but more competitive in the individual sports.

Yeah, very good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I was, I was into that, but I really. But I was. You may not be able to tell, but I'm a tiny human and so I'm a tiny human. So when that, when it comes down to, you know, as a, as a 10 year old or a 8 year old or a 7 year old and you're picked last for the team because you're the smallest kid in the class and then you just work so much harder in order to prove to everybody that you can do it. And then you realize somewhere along the way in your sporting career that if you had any chance to, to compete against the bigger players in soccer or other sports, that you needed every edge you could possibly Have. And that's, that's me. I'm the one that got into the weight room by the time I was 15, 16 years old. Because if I wanted to be able to hold my own, being such a small person, then I had to have every edge I could. And that was how I got into the gym. And, and the other big thing is that, and this is something that I don't know how much your listeners or your, or your guests share upon, but it's one of those things that I was a kid who was looking for that love from my father. And I saw my father watch every single sport that existed for hours on end on tv. And somewhere I didn't realize consciously at the time, but somewhere in there it was like, if I'm good at this, then someone's going to pay attention to me. So I got really, really good at all the things that I thought would, would be, you know, a great thing to other people's opinions and, and eventually realized that, okay, what do I really love? And what I realized after Almost, after probably 15 years in high performance sport, which it's like the highest end of anything business or politics, it's cutthroat at the top or of people get fired, a lot of turnover, there's a lot of pain and heartbreak, especially in sport when people are getting cut.

Yeah.

But what I realized is that I, although I've always loved physicality and sports and athletics and outdoors, I was more in love. I fell way more in love with the transformation that had to happen for that person to get to their next level. And that transformation was so much more than physical. It was mental, it was emotional, it was intellectual. And even though my role in the sport was the physical and the physiological and the strength and conditioning, all that power side of things, I realized that if I wanted that out of them, then I had to make sure that I was right in here with them too. And that they had every bit of trust, every bit of confidence in me, in themselves. And so it, it's that transformational journey and that I really fell in love with. And it's.

You transitioned along the way from physical sort of coach to more entire.

Well, what happened was our, our Canadian Sport Institute had some facilities that got flooded and we were in a position where we had zero. We didn't have the infrastructure and the gym space for our athletes to train for the upcoming Olympic qualifier. And so I thought I'd be all crazy as a single mom. I opened my own facility. I opened a 6,000 square foot facility in the end of 2005, 2006. When I did that, I knew that I couldn't survive as a small business on the funding from sport alone, because Canadian sport, unlike many other countries in the world, is they basically fund on the poverty line is very low pay. And so I knew that I'd have to bring in other clients. But because I was coming from the highest level of sport, as soon as I opened my doors to the general public, the people who showed up were doctors, lawyers, business owners, people who wanted the highest edge because they knew that I worked at the highest level in sport. So what happened was that when those clients started to come in, first of all, I got really close with my athlete clients because in order to get the most out of them, if they're having a bad emotional or mental day, I'm not going to get much out of them physically. I might get some out of them, but something's going to be off. So you have to be really connected with them. So when the regular public, the general public clients started to come in, they didn't just. They weren't just focusing on the physical. They'd be telling me everything from their marital problems to their business problems to their. And I'm just like, you know, I'm an expert in physiology and biomechanics and power production and I'm an Olympic Level 2 Olympic lifting coach. But I don't know about your marriage problems kind of thing. So I did a lot of work to just help myself understand and serve them. And then that allowed them to. Then they were getting more and wanting more in terms of, you know, how do I do this? What do you think about this? And it just evolved over years and years of, of coaching that then I was in the realm of life coaching, in the realm of. Of leadership coaching, in the realm of performance coaching in business instead of just in the. In the physical training center. Yeah.

How long you been doing this for now? Sounds like you got some years of experience.

Yeah, I started. I started working with a Canadian Sport Institute in 2001, and prior to that I'd already been doing things like personal training and that kind of thing for probably four years before that. So I've been doing this for a long time, so almost 25 years.

Got the experience.

Yeah.

High performance in whether it's sports or just in life in general. And now you sort of focus really on that, on that life coaching, is that right? Is you're just helping individuals with their performance or do you work in companies as well?

So I consult for businesses in the Specialty of leadership development and culture creation. So typically I'm working with the CEO and whatever other leaders that support the CEO. So it might be the chief financial officer, operations director, whatever their leadership team is their senior leadership team. So I'm working with them on the leadership skills. That might be communication skills, it might be building rapport, it might be trust building, it might be difficult conversations. So those are the things that I consult for in businesses and culture creation too, that happens along that line because they can end up being pitted against each other. Even though they're supposed to all be a team, one department is upset with the next department and they're seeing each other as opponents instead of a team. So culture creation, leadership development in the consulting realm. And then when it comes to private clients, I take on a handful of those, but not very many because it takes up a fair bit of time. So I will work with one on one. And they're usually business owners of some sort, actually every single one of my clients, my individual clients or business owners. And then we also run a. Because I want, I want availability of world class coaching to general public. So I made a really reasonably priced group coaching membership and we bring world class coaching to that entire group so that they can have the same skills that someone would have in the one on one environment and have some of the similar coaching that someone would have in a one on one environment. But it's in a group environment and it's priced much less. And we have various topics that come up each month that we stick with for themes that are the ones that people want to know about. It's the, you know, how do I, how do I deal with my relationships, my feelings, my difficult conversations? All of those things.

Yeah, not fantastic.

And then bring in the health side of things too because if that area isn't being focused on in some realm or another, it's going to affect everything else in life.

Yeah, 100%. So with I guess performance coaching or life coaching, what is most important or where do you start with people in this, in this field? Because obviously it's going from everything to their relationship to their health, to their business. How can you narrow in and focus on, you know, what we need to do to get started in self improvement?

There's a few key questions on the intake forms that I, that I give every time and they're questions like what would you, what would you like to see happen? What would be your primary goal in the next three months? Another one would be one in the next three years. What is, what do you look for. What are you looking for for the next three years?

Yeah.

And then there's ratings in all of those key categories of life. So whether it's relationships or career or self, personal health and all of those things. And then they rate where they are in those things and where they want to, want to improve the most. And then I'm also asking how they respond the best. So for instance, I have one client who I can be hard on, really hard on, because that's what he wants, that's what he needs in order to really wake up and see what's going on for him. Whereas there's other clients where that need a lot of acknowledgment, nurturing, support, and then they'll take that next step because they feel like they're safe, they feel like they're supported, whereas others want to kick in the pants. And so some of my intake forms flesh that out along with an initial consult. And that initial consult or discovery call is key because I won't work with everybody. There's businesses that I don't want to work with, there's individuals that I don't want to work with. And unless I think that I'm a great fit for them and they're a great fit for me, then I'm not going to work with them. And that's an important part of it. Because me loving to work with that human or that business is part of what gets their best out of the process. Because I'm lit up and giving my best.

Yeah.

So it ends up being a great win. And it takes me out of scenarios I've been in my life that led to burnout, led to me doing everything for everyone else instead of, instead of meeting my own needs. So there's a lot that I've experienced personally that contribute to how I can offer the experiential side of coaching versus just the, the tried and true methodologies of coaching.

Okay, with, with, I guess, humanitarian interactions, are you able to identify what sort of aspects of their life needing the most focus? Obviously you talk about strength and conditioning and that sort of thing, but beyond that, how do you tap into the deep side?

They, they know they'll come. So people will come. Let's say someone, a client comes in and they want support. They want, they want health coaching and they want support with their business. So business decisions, and that's all they've asked for. And then as we get to know each other better, every single session I'm asking about what their wins are. Every single session I'm Asking what the key emphasis is. And I always send a form ahead of time that asks just a couple key questions so I know what's been going on in case we haven't touched base in, in between the time that we've spoken. So I already know what's going on before I go in. But even though they'll say one thing, there's typically something else that's there that may, they may be blind to. And it might be the quality of their relationship with their spouse, it might be the disconnection with their children, it might be and, and like it or not, whether it's a business owner or a CEO running a company, those little things going on behind the scenes, even though they think that this is the problem in the company, when something's a problem with their family life or their home life, it impairs their ability to deal with the thing that they are trying to accomplish in the business. And they're not as clear, they're not as focused, they're not as much of their high performance self or their best self.

Okay, so if you're, I mean, obviously dealing with a lot of people, but what, what are some commonalities that you find that most people, you know, with a simple change could really help improve their performance in life and business? I'm assuming there's a few things you come across. You talked about health before.

Obviously one of the big ones is because, because the demographic I tend to attract are, are people who are achievers. They tend to be overachievers, they want to do a lot, they're striving for more. So those are the people I tend to attract. Knowing them, then sleep is often an issue.

Right.

And so, yeah, if they can, if they can get that dialed in with some key actions, then that makes a huge difference. It makes a difference in their mood, it makes a difference in their clarity, it makes a difference in their ability to have energy throughout the day. Makes a huge difference in everything. It, it's pervasive across all areas of life.

So what is good sleep?

Great question. Well, I'm, as you know, I've got a research background, so I like the techy stuff. This is an aura ring. This is a Garmin watch. Yeah.

How's that?

This, the Oura ring is fantastic for monitoring sleep. So it, yeah, it's really good for monitoring recovery. It's not a great tool for monitoring, say, training for performance, but it's a great tool in monitoring recovery. So, and whether someone's tracking this or not, but these, these metrics are available. These tools are available now and they're, they're miles better than they used to be, say 10 years ago, 15 years ago. So I would find out how many hours, I would find out whether they're waking up, whether they're falling asleep well, whether they're waking up with, without being groggy, find out how much they're getting up in the night, if they are. And then something like this would tell the more detailed metrics like how much deep sleep are they getting, what's their heart rate, what's their heart rate variability, what's their light sleep, are they getting into the deep cycles that they need to. So say three or four deep cycles. So those things are really pretty easy to see now. And because I have a physiology background, it's easy for me to take a look at those. But that's something that I know that I've had clients in the past who have said, well, when I started eating better and I started moving regularly, I thought that the sleep would just fall in place. But they're not taking specific actions to support their sleep, such as stopping screen time a little bit before bed, stopping eating two hours before bed. There's a number of things that can be done. Having a 10 minute meditation earlier in the day. So things like that will support asleep. That leads to someone being able to perform at a world class level for whatever their thing is during the day, whether it's running a company, whether it's, you know, like I've got clients who, one owns a, a tourist style deli, another one owns a physical training studio, another one is a finance fundraiser in the, you know, triple digit millions. So it just, it, it's different for everyone in terms of what they want. But all of them want clarity and energy and performance. All of them want that. Even though they're different roles in the world. They all want clarity and energy and performance.

Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah, I get it. I'm in real estate as you know and yeah, certainly that, that clarity throughout the day is important and sleep, you know, is, is up and down sometimes, sometimes I'm just like in the zone and I use the Garmin as well and that seems to be mostly fairly good with tracking sleep. But sometimes I get up and I look at it and go, geez, I don't know how that says I had a good night's sleep because I feel like rubbish, you know. So.

Yeah, well I can give you some intel on that. Sometimes when we forget if you've gone for a few days with a really crummy sleep. And you're kind of, you're finding a way to plug through your. You're feeling good enough, you still have enough energy, and then you finally get a good night's sleep. And maybe it's a solid eight hours. Maybe it shows some good deep cycles. Maybe it even gives you a score of saying like, you are recovered. This was awesome. But then you will have what's called sleep inertia. So you come out of that sleep and you feel really groggy because you've gotten into some deeper zones that you haven't gotten into for a few days. So that's where you can play the mental game of going, okay, I know I'm a bit groggy, I'm feeling a bit sluggish right now. But it's just because my body, everything slowed down the way it needed to in order to get that deep sleep that I needed to. And I promise you, if that's what happened, then later that day or the next day, that you're going to feel like you truly are recovered and you're back on track.

Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, because that's happened a few times, actually, and it's probably exactly after that scenario. So what can we do to have some better sleep? Obviously you said snow screens, you know, a few hours before bed, no eating, few hours before bed. Regular sleep cycle. Important. How much, like, how much sleep should we have? Is it seven hours? Is it nine?

It's between seven and nine. So it depends on activity levels. It depends on age of life. As people get older, they need just a little bit less, usually, but not much less. And then, you know, if somebody, what often happens is that people are, you know, they got into Netflix and they're staying up too late and they had some wine and they're finding they're in a pattern of having a glass of wine, watching a bunch of Netflix, and they're not going to bed until midnight, 1am and they want to go to bed around 10pm and so when that's the case, then we start with one thing at a time, the easiest thing to change because they might really be in the. Into that pattern. And then we say, let's, let's start with the removal of the wine. Can you do that? Can you make it a tea instead? Because the wine itself will impair any alcohol before bed will impair the sleep badly. So what happens? You feel really groggy, you feel like you can fall asleep because of the, the effect of the alcohol, but then the Blood sugar spikes a little while later, it wakes you up and then it. It disrupts the sleep for the rest of the night for most people.

Yeah.

So. So things like that. And then from there, if they're looking to move that bedtime in order to be able to get up and feel fresh in the morning or work out in the morning or do something, then we move it by 15 to 20 minutes a night. So they're not trying to go to bed. If they try to go to bed at 10 and they've been going to bed at midnight, they're just going to lie in bed awake, pissed off. Yeah, they're not going to be a happy camper and nothing's going to be changing. So we just start with 15 to 20 minutes at a time, and then they can slowly shift their body's clock and then feel much better getting up earlier, feel much fresher and be changing some of the. It's just the. It's the bedtime hygiene, if you will. It's the things that need to happen in order to get what you really want to get throughout the night.

Yeah. So sleep. Very important. For that performance piece, you also talked about, you know, health and diet as well, and I guess that interlinks to sleep as well. What intel can you share us on on those two sort of topics? Anything.

One of the things I see a lot in women is that they don't intake enough protein. One thing I see a lot in people in general, they don't intake enough vegetables with every single meal, those things, because those are where. That's where you're getting the majority of your micronutrients. Then what happens over time is that people become deficient in something, they don't know it, they feel like crap, they just keep operating, but they're feeling like crap. So usually it's a combination of two things. One, they're deficient in some nutrients that they may need, and two, they're also probably building up over time, just whatever toxic exposure is there. So it's going to be, you know, microchemicals in plastics, it's going to be heavy metals. It's going to be things that, as we get older, are just building up in our body. So we want to remove as much of the toxic load as we can, bring up as much of the nutrient intake as we can, and then be aware, start learning about our own individual needs. So, for instance, there's so many diets out there and so many people who are stuck on. It has to be Paleo, it has to be Mediterranean, it has to be keto, it has to be vegan, it has to be vegetarian. It's not one of those. That is, is the thing. It's what suits the individual. And that same individual may have had the best thing for them might have been vegetarian, whereas ten years later the best thing for them might be something that's more meat based. It depends on their own gut biome, it depends on their own individual genetics. It depends on how they've evolved over time, what stressors they've incurred, what, what viral load they're carrying from whatever viruses they've had throughout their life. There's so much there that does not mean that everyone should be eating the same style or same way. What it does mean is that everyone needs to have vegetables, everyone likely should have fruits, and everyone needs to figure out what works best for their energy and their system. And that's a trial and error basis. And absolutely, you know, so yeah, most people don't want to look at that unless they're really. Unless they have a health scare. They have a health scare and then they're going to revamp everything. And if they didn't have that health scare, then they probably will go on with their favorites and not ignore that they're not good for them.

Yeah, maybe not experiment enough. I've found that, you know, just by interviewing people like yourself on the podcast and people are vegans or paleo or whatever, and they're pushing that sort of agenda. So I go down that route and try it out and yeah, you find that balance of what works for me and what makes me feel the best. Not always good at it, I'll tell you. But you can find that out through trial and error and I think that's the best approach.

Yes. Yeah. And the thing is, is that even a vegan or vegetarian or paleo or whatever doesn't work for you. Guaranteed you learn something from it and guaranteed you pulled something new out of that whole experience. Like I went, my husband and I did, we did 12 months. This is my brilliant idea at the time, I don't know what I was thinking, but I decided to do 12 months of 30 day challenges and we would do meditating for every day for a month, we would do. And this is where we tried vegan for the first time for a full month. I'd eaten vegan here and there before just to try it out, but it was the first time that my husband and myself could see, okay, you just have to try different things. Now vegan isn't the best thing for me. Right now at my age and at my health level. But I'm so glad that I understand so much more about it by going for 30 days of nothing else but that and then still eating various meals that are vegan now. But, but they're, you know, it's just. I have a different approach for what I need right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good to see you've got a partner that's, you know, driven as much as you to. To do their challenges each month.

That, that proximity, the proximity of people around you makes such a huge difference. And I've seen so many times how hard it can be for a client or a friend if they're endeavoring to do something and their partner isn't on board. And that makes it so much harder for them because they're around someone who isn't supporting that same thing. And they may not be saying anything that's against it, but it's so much easier to make big changes when there's somebody who you're either doing it with or they're cheering you on or, or anything like that. So, yeah, it can be.

Yeah. How do you deal with that situation? Because you must have people that you come across that, you know, are very goal driven and their partners, not nasty or anything, but just totally opposite. You know, not driven, not connected, not on the same path.

Yeah, I've seen really interesting things happen over time. Sometimes it works best for them just to do their own things. And then when they come together, they love each other. They're, you know, they just accept a lot about the other person and it's different than them. And that is, that's a mindset that I admire so much because I typically have a mindset that I want us to be on the same page. That's a big deal to me. But for the partners, that can go, okay, you do your thing, I'll do mine. And when we come together, we just adore the differences that we have. We adore each other. That's. That's, I think, an admirable thing. But there are some couples that truly need the support from the other person because one person might be responsible for making the meals, one person might be responsible for the grocery shopping. And so then they feel. Sometimes they may feel sabotaged if they verbally said, I need these things or not these things. But then they keep showing up in the house. Then it, it puts a challenge on, you know, do they even. Do they even bring it up? Do they ignore it? They're struggling with it is, you know, so it can be, it can be challenging.

100%. Yeah. Another feeling. What around mindsets are just touching on this final topic. What are your thoughts around mindset? And what can we do to help improve our mindset.

Is to practice becoming aware of the thoughts that are coming up. And the easiest way to do that is whenever something is agitating. So say you're sitting in traffic and somebody cuts you off and you get that tense kind of tight feeling in the chest or whatever it is, that feeling in that moment, just take the moment because that's the signal. That's the, like tap on the shoulder to say, hey, what's going on there? And if you pause, you're going to notice that there's a number of thoughts there, like what an a hole or I can't believe they did that or you know, or they don't deserve to go in that spot. And it's, it's less the circumstance of the person doing the action and more what we believe about it that's causing how we feel. And so when, when we start to realize that everything that happens, everything, it doesn't matter whether it's the weather, whether it's, you know, somebody's birthday party, it's what we think about it that's bringing our experience of our own life. If I think that it's, you know, if I think that person's birthday party is the worst thing ever because that person doesn't deserve to celebrate their birthday party, I'm going to feel pretty crummy. But it's not the birthday party that's making me feel crummy, it's my thoughts about it. And so when we can practice catching those thoughts, then we can then decide which ones do I want to believe? Because our brain is going to throw us so many thoughts, it's going to throw us so many thoughts that have nothing to do with anything that we want in the world. They're just a whole bunch. It's like popcorn, just pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. There's 60 to 80,000 thoughts per day are happening in our, from our brain. But the majority of them are on repeat. The majority of them are negative or past particip programming. And they're not necessarily something that we want to honor or believe. And so if we realize that and then just start listening to oh, do, do I really want to think that thought? Is that, is that going to serve how I want to show up today? Is that going to serve who I want to be tomorrow? Is that going to serve me as my Future self. I don't know. And then the question becomes, if we look at what we identify with, all it is is that if we think a thought over and over and over again, it becomes a belief.

Yeah.

And if we believe that thing for long enough, it's a conviction. But if we believe that thing about ourselves because we've been thinking it over and over and over and over. I'm no good at blank. I don't like my. I hate my body. My body sucks. Um, I. I can't do it. But if we think it over and over and over again and it's a belief and we believe it about ourselves, it becomes an identity. And when we're looking to truly change and evolve in a direction that we want to go, it's unpacking some of those things so we're not in our own way for what we really want.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the work.

Totally.

That's the work. So, Harry, thank you for coming on the show. You've got a website here called the Empowered Ca. Is that right?

Correct. Yes. Yep.

So people can jump on there. You've got the podcast there, I can see. Can people reach you through that through your, your channels if they want to chat?

Yeah, we can. You can go. Our podcast is the Empowered Team podcast and then we're on Instagram as well. And that's Theorem prwd. And yeah, we people can reach out in whatever way and if there's any way we can support you and your endeavor to get great information out to support people's lives, then let us know.

That's awesome, guys. Check it out. I'll put the links in the show notes atthe hidden wide.com so you can connect with K. And yeah, learn more on the podcast as well. Thank you watching for thank you, Carrie for coming on the show today.

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