#183 "Lifting helicopter off the ground" Day 183 Coffee With Kenny

Hey, welcome to Day 183 Coffee with Kenny. It's the July 4th weekend. Been an awesome week. Awesome weekend. Helicopter line ground school sale ends tonight. And now to answer a question for Mark and pretty good question about lifting the helicopter off the ground. Happy 4th and hope your day is good. I have a question about lifting the R22 initially off the ground into a hover. I know you have always mentioned a two step process which makes sense. I'm four hours into my PPL training and my CFI is telling me to get light on the skids and then set the helicopter back down and then make adjustment and raise the collective again to bring the helicopter level and straight to start the hover. So you don't have to make your corrections into the lift but hold your corrections still and just lift the helicopter into the hover. I don't know if this is his way of building me up to get used to the lift and then eventually a two step process training will come or is this his way of teaching to get a feel for the aircraft when lifting the collective into the hover? Any advice or insight? Love the Hog's website cannot tell you how much I've learned before starting the lessons and how all I'm seeing makes sense from your ground school. Thanks for the info. Hope to be on the wall of fame in a couple of months as the new ppl. Awesome Mark back there where the Hog's wall is going. So great question and this is review but you know we all need this whether you're brand new or getting into it or you're a rusty cfi. Experienced helicopters or experienced helicopter pilots roll these things over from not using a good two step process. Reading through his example there, what his CFI is doing, I haven't heard of that specific way of teaching but I'm not going to knock it because this may very well be something that works really well. I will say Mark, it's you're only at four hours, you're just getting started man. So if it's working for you and it's working for your instructor, I'd say keep doing it back to the two step process. The way I teach it and have taught it for years is to get the aircraft light in the skids. Once it's light and it starts to move or jig a little bit and you can you feel the nose going down, left, right, up or down, you then pause and neutralize those movements. Stop if the nose is going left, push it a little bit back to the right. If you Think the nose feels low. A little bit of aft cyclic. Get everything ready to go. Then step number two, gently lift into the air. And I love teaching this and I like telling this story because one of the instructors I flew with years ago when I first got started, said, Kenny, you know, he spanked me in the office after going out and giving me a, what do you like a stage check or something, right? I was flying with the younger guy and this guy comes in and gives you the, you know, checks you out. And to this day I use many things that I learned from this individual. Right? And I remember after I flew with him, we go back in the office and he's like, you need to learn to do this in a two step process. And he goes, experienced helicopter pilots roll these things over from not using a good two step process. Now you can watch YouTube videos all day on dynamic rollover. Okay? It happens. It's real. People roll helicopters over all the time. One of our HOGS members rolled one over and we actually have a video from way back. I'm sure you can find it on YouTube. I'll put a link down below where he. It was in his beginning training, I think it was even solo. And he rolled it over and he reached out and we talked about it and we did an actual video on this. So it happens. Nobody ever wants to see an aircraft get wrecked. But students do it, experienced pilots do it. That's why it needs to be in a two step process. So I appreciate Mark's question. Again, I'm not going to knock this method because I haven't tried it. It's not what I teach. But if it's working for you guys, great. I love stating that there are so many ways of teaching maneuvers. Okay? And one CFI can show you one way and another CFI can show you a different way for that same maneuver. And then another third guy is going to show you something different. Or girl, there's nothing wrong with different methods. As long as the maneuver is safe, that goes in training checkrides, I don't care. Across the board. There isn't an absolute. And there is, as far as PoH regulations, those things are absolute. But when it comes to training and it comes to maneuvers, there are so many techniques out there. There are so many ways to do things. Don't be discouraged because a different instructor shows you something different. We all learn. I'm still learning every day. I'm learning from the Coffee with Kenny videos. I'm learning when people bring up points like this, sometimes I'll see Something go, hmm, hey, I like that. I want to try that. And sometimes I'll adopt new method 20 years into flying because I found another method and went, oh, yeah, I like that. So on those lines, I want to mention on one of the YouTube videos the other day, a guy said, well, how do you know between. There is between ground resonance and ground bounce. Okay, that's really a subject for a whole nother day. But I will answer to his question. I'll put the link in where he made the question. Said, hey, about so many minutes in I answer your question, we're going to use the Enstrom, for example. There is a difference between ground bounce and ground resonance. Okay? Instrument helicopters in general, with the system they've been using forever, they do not suffer ground resonance. The incident I was involved in was weird because it involved a new partner rotor system. So in general, they don't do it now with a Schweitzer, you know, it's common. So there are so many helicopters out there and so many variables that I can't answer that question in just one blanket statement. I've been using that a lot lately. But whatever helicopter you're training in, if you're concerned about ground rock, ground bounce, ground resonance, this is something you need to discuss with the instructors you're working with for the specific aircraft that you're flying. Because of the different styles of rotor systems, oleo struts, different aircraft, there's going to be different things to look for. I will say, as far as the ground resonance, the way to recover, I would say, know what it tells you in the helicopter flying handbook? Understand it and go by that, because if anything ever happens when you're questioned and you're in front of a room full of attorneys or you're talking to the faa, you want to know that you did things by the book, okay? Either the helicopter flying handbook, unless particular helicopter you're flying maybe have something in a poh about ground resonance, which they don't normally, but. But they could for any, any helicopter. I'm going to wrap it up because it's Sunday and I want to get out of here. Busy day on a Sunday, man. But that's okay. Coffee with Kenny every day. This is day 183. Can't thank you all enough. For the past seven years, it's been absolutely amazing. Still having a blast every single day. Keep your questions coming in. Love answering them. So many good thought processes that come up. Training, careers, check rides, all of it. All of it's fair game. Anything helicopter training related. So I'm going to wrap it up. Please subscribe to the channel and click the little bell. When you do give us a like on this video, click that like icon down below and go down below today to save. On the last day of our July 4th sale. 33% off. There's links down below. Take advantage of that sale. Awesome. Awesome. Sus. Peace out. See you in day 184.