"accelerated accredited program? Or do the pay-as-you-go CFI route?"

Kenny Keller answers whether to pursue an accredited accelerated program or a pay-as-you-go CFI route. There's no one-size-fits-all answer: choose based on your personal, family, and financial situation, school quality, and whether you can commit to a residential program or need a local schedule. Jason passed his 20th checkride.
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July 14, 2020
Kenny Keller (creator of Helicopter Online Ground School)
574-767-1797
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Watch over there until it says you're live. All right, says we're live. Let us know. We see nine people here. Can you see us? Can you hear us? I'm Kenny Keller, creator of Helicopter Online Ground School. Have a couple of cool things to share with you and then gonna get to a question from an individual 35 years old about the accredited accelerated training or the pay as you go cfi. We'll get to that in a minute. First we've got to congratulate Jason who is here quite often. And hey I see Ron. I didn't catch your comment time live last time. Ron and I know you'd been away for a while and now you're back with us. Awesome. Glad to see you back joining our videos. So Heather, go ahead and bring up Jason's picture. Jason is a long term, long time ground school member. He's up out on the Hogs wall already. I was going to ask Heather to check before we went live. This is at least probably the second or third picture that Jason will be going up on the Hogs wall. And Jason, if you're watching, do you have the no go button yet? I asked you an email, I don't think you responded. Do you remember sending him a no go button? I don't remember. Jason, let us know because if you don't have a no go button, you get one for this last picture you sent us. And just real quick, his testimonial short but I got it. I got to share this with you because Jason is an aviation professional. It's what he does for a living and he's been doing check rides and all kinds of checks for many, many, many years. So he's a highly experienced aviator and he sent this to Kenny, Heather and Brian. Hey Hogs crew just came home from the airport after passing my commercial add on today. This was the 20th checkride that resulted in a new certificate. And what I've learned over the years is that even though the checkride nerves may never go away, if you have excellent instruction, put in the work on your own to be prepared and let's highlight that. Put in the work on your own to be prepared and don't do anything stupid in the helicopter, then things will work out well on checkride day. Hoggs helped with all three of those. Thanks for all your hard work. Boiler up Jason. So if you want to go back to me for a second, Heather already did. Awesome See coming from an aviation professional who's taken many, many, many checkrides in his lifetime. And this is what we Harp on all the time about preparing, being ready, using the pts. And I'm going to say it one more time. If you have excellent instruction, put in the work on your own to be prepared and don't do anything stupid, the helicopter. Then things will work out well on the checkride day. And we harp this all the time, there is no easy answer. You know, it's putting, putting in hard work like anything in life. And recently on YouTube somebody in one comment said, hey, have you heard this one program where you get your license with almost no hard work? And I quickly responded and said I don't know what your program is but I'm not even going to look at it because it's hard work for a rating. I don't care. Airplane, helicopter, no matter what rating you're going for, it's hard work. You have to apply yourself. But that's going to be the theme today, you know, hard work, going for your dreams, you know, and I don't get political in these videos but you know what, that's how you get anywhere in life is through hard work, not handouts. Okay, so congratulations Jason. We will get you your no go button if you don't already have one. Make sure you let us know. I'm sure you'll respond to Heather or me here in the near future unless you join us today. Awesome. So let's check and see who's here before we get to the next thing. Robert Hammer, we already mentioned Ron. Thanks for being here, Ron. Robert Hammer. Yes, seeing here. Awesome. Brian Bay, hello from Las Vegas. Awesome. Jay Cox, hello from Reno, Nevada. CW, Fox. CW's here many, many times. Good afternoon from Colorado. Storms in the area. John Stream, ready for class. Brian Rutledge, hello from California. So there's Brian Rutledge. Brian has been talking to our newest members. He just texted me a little bit ago and said he's talked to four members already today and one member was getting ready for a checkride. And let me tell you just the story. This member was probably lucky that he called and talked to Brian a week away from his checkride because there were some, let's just say there were some areas that were going to get him into trouble. But he had a chance to talk to Brian and at least he's got some direction. And I will give Heather credit as well. Brian and Heather both get credit for what we're going after and that's hogs a number one customer service. And the other day somebody emailed Heather and he, she forwarded to me and the gentleman said wow, you know, he signed up as a member within 24 hours. Heather emailed him and he, he emailed back and said, wow, hogs great customer service. I bought this online product not expecting any kind of a human response because you get a automated response when you sign up for our ground school. But he was totally thrilled to get an email from a live person and to welcome and say, hey, did you get logged in? Is everything okay? And to offer up the free consultation with operations Brian Rutledge. And when Brian text me this morning, said, you know, he'd already talked to four members today, I said, that's how we keep hogs alive. Right? And that's, that's our. Been our mission since Brian came full time was to make the best customer service that you can get that we can provide. Heather answers the phone at 574-767-1797 and you can call or text that number. And Heather does the best she can to answer all questions. And if it's something beyond the, the basic knowledge of signups and about getting a license, she'll refer it on to either Brian or me. So that is awesome. There's Michael Worth. Awesome. Michael's here often. There's Benny, maybe Ron. The old wise word. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Absolutely, Ron. You know, this all comes from hard work. So the next picture we want to share with you is Robert. Robert just sent us a picture of his helicopter checkride book. And the reason I want to share this is through this pandemic and all this crisis that's went on, Heather was working at home full time and not even coming in because I didn't even want to send her to the post office with everything that was going on in the world. And we were being careful and being safe. So we stopped shipping the helicopter checkride book and the top 10 checkride book. We stopped shipping those just because I didn't want to make Heather go out into the world and make more trips to the post office than necessary. So we stopped for several months shipping those books. And therefore we took down the link on the homepage@helopterground.com we took down the link so that you couldn't purchase it. I mean, we, you can still download the free PDF on either book. But we just didn't feel safe. Again, we were being careful. Well, now that Heather comes in on Tuesday, she comes in one day a week. The rest of the time she's still monitoring the phone and your emails. Seven days a week she's monitoring that. But Tuesday she Comes in to help me do live and then she ships any of the no go buttons or any books. And we just had a guy email me. I remember actually, he's like, hey, Kenny, I can't find where to order your books. We went ahead and put the link back live on the helicopterground.com homepage where you can sign up for private commercial, CFI or instrument. The link is back on there where we ship you the book. You pay $7 shipping handling, right? Heather, we're not charging you for the book. We're paying to you. You're paying for the shipping to get it to you. So that link is back on. So to the main question here, we tied a little bit of this question in last week, but I didn't answer this specific question. And again, this goes to a gentleman who's 35, got a family, you know, going for the dream, doing the airplane and helicopter thing. Both. He's got part of the airplane thing done and, and they. He's still hinging on that one. And I always say the same thing goes, go with what's in your gut. If you want to fly both, fly both. If you, if you really want to fly helicopters and fixed wing isn't really your thing that you want to do right now, I say go for the helicopter. But you're still up to you. You can do it either way. But if you tell me deep down what you want is helicopter, I'm always going to say then go for the helicopter. But he went deeper into the question of the accredited accelerated program versus a pay as you go cfi. Now, he's already got a degree, so he's taken into consideration this would be another degree. He goes through an accredited program. I'm going to go back to, I'm going to answer the same question. The way we answer the question, which helicopter should I fly? It's the same answer. You should fly the helicopter that's right for you. I don't say you have to fly the instrument. You should fly the R22. You should fly the Cabri. I don't do that because every single helicopter has its own pros and cons. And depending on what's available to you in your area and how far you have to travel, picking the right aircraft is. Picking the right. Picking the aircraft isn't as important as picking the right flight school. So when it comes to the accredited accelerated program where you've got to get college credits or pay as you go, that again depends on any one individual. I think an accredited program where you get you know, get a college degree or you get some type of college credit I think is excellent if that's the route that you want to go, depending on where you go in your career. Still, a lot of the helicopter jobs, some require a college education, but not very many. Most of the helicopter jobs you see out there, they're going to be worried about helicopter time. That's why I talk about, when I say fixed wing, they don't normally care about fixed wing other than, for example, with I said this last week, some EMS jobs will say 2000 hours flight time, 1500 helicopter and 500 could be fixed wing. In that case, that will help you. But if flying helicopters is your dream, getting to that rating and getting those ratings to get out in the world and building hours, I think is number one most important. So I can't answer his question, you know, and anybody has any feedback, go ahead and put it in there. But I think, you know, the pay as you go CFI can be good or bad, just like the accredited programs, because you get good and bad in everything that you hear, right? We know in helicopter flight training there are wonderful instructors out there that do an amazing job. And same thing with flight schools, okay? But then you hear bad things about the bigger programs and you hear bad things about, like what happens with some of the VA money and things being kind of hinky. You hear a lot of negative stuff, too. Same thing with a pay as you go cfi. There are wonderful instructors out there. They're just pay as you go. You fly with the guy, you fly when you can, and you work through it, you know, whether he's an individual, one guy, one helicopter kind of situation, that could be great. A bigger flight school can be great. You really need to do the research and see just how credible they really are, you know, and find out how happy are the students, how happy are the customers. So I still think when somebody, you know, it's a big, long email. This thing is huge. And I appreciate that and I want to help people. But when it, when it goes this intent, he's married, he's got kids. So I'm going to go back to what's going to be best for you and your family. I think you take into consideration your family first, right? Because going for this dream, going for this career could destroy your family and it can destroy your finances if you're not careful in how you choose to do it. So when he asked for my advice on the pros and cons, I think it goes back to just like the same Thing with what helicopter you fly, it boils back to the school you're going to, right? They can have the best helicopter on the planet. But if it's a shitty flight school and they have a bad reputation, all they care about is making the rotor spin and grabbing your money, what's the point, you know? So I think it depends on any one single individual. I think the program that's right for you going to be the one that's right for you. And it's. I can't tell you that, you know, I think you really have to. You've already done part of the research, you're already flying. I say stick with the helicopter and I say pick which one of those programs is going to work with best with you and your family. Because being away from your family sucks. And so where is an accredited program for you specifically and where is the pay as you go cfi? I would say if you've got to pay as you go CFI nearby, you can work with that CFI on your schedule and keep your family time going and your other work and other things going, that may be the best option. Or taking time off of work and deciding you're going to be away from your family for a certain period of time to go through a program and just blast through it. That could be a great option too. So many of these questions, you know, I like to help give advice and I like answering them, but it still always boils down to anybody doing what is absolutely right for them. Any big questions? Ed Riley. Eddie Riley. Great to see flight training resuming in the uk. I do want to say we've been amazed at the additions to the Hogs wall of fame that people have sent in the last two to three weeks or even month. Gives me goosebumps that people are out there getting checkrides done and getting their ratings. You know, it's a big country, it's a big world. I'm sure there's some flight schools that are still closed and if that's what they have to do at this moment in time, I mean that sucks for people that want to fly and can't go to their flight school. But proof that there are many schools that are open and there are people out there that haven't given up and they're out there chasing their dream. Just like this gentleman here with this long email. I know he's got it, he's got it in his heart and he wants to do it. So just got to figure it out, man, and just keep plugging away and go after whatever works for you. So really happy to see all the people have been sending us in pictures. Like the gentleman Robert earlier showed us, he just got the book. People have been sending us pictures of their no go's. Those of you that are watching are coming across this video later. If you got a no go button we shipped you and you haven't sent us a picture yet. Send it in because we're thinking we're going to do another section of the hogs wall, make it the no go wall. Because we've got one more section behind the big wall and we might make that the no go wall when you send in your picture. The idea behind this is you make a weather decision. It's iffy. You know you want to go or you need to go or somebody's pushing you to go. You know the right thing is to say no. You turn down the flight. Live to fly another day. That's it. We're sending these out to anyone that sends us a picture of their recent checkride while supplies last. We got I don't know, maybe 20 or 25 over there. Will we get another batch? We will if you all keep giving us good feedback on it and send us short pictures or short videos like I believe it was Michael the one day had a picture up on his laptop. Storm moving through, has the no go button sit there. I mean you could see the storm, right? That's a for sure no go. Live to fly another day. Boom. He puts the. Yeah. And he put that video in. So Brian just said more new content coming soon. Brian just uploaded a new video on fronts and that is currently in the private pilot section along with all the other videos that he's been working on. And he's currently. If you want to type in there what you're working on now, Brian, he's working on the continuation. Basically what he's done is went back to the beginning and we started rebuilding the weather section within Helicopter Underground school. Right when I've said many times in the past but I'll repeat it for anybody doesn't know. We have been. We've had the same weather section for a long time. And people say, oh man. Man, it's a lot of weather and a lot of it's really dry and boring. We know this. So we'd promised new weather for quite some time. Brian started working on this probably a month, a month and a half ago. So there's a. There are new videos in there now and I. Without even pulling it up, I can't tell you there's like five or six or seven videos now in there. So he basically just went back and kind of started from scratch and he's going through and figuring out what is the basic private pilot really need to know because there's a lot of weather stuff that can go really, really deep and can get really dry and boring. So he's restart. He started rebuilding the weather basically from scratch, going right from the beginning to give you the basic elements of what a private pilot needs to know to get through the checkride with your examiner and to know how to make good no go decisions on weather because learn learning to understand what's going on with the weather number one and then interpreting the taps and the metars and looking at fronts and looking at the totality of the circumstance is how you make that decision or whether it's safe to fly or not. I'm glad Brian brought that up. Here you go. He's working on turbulence, icing and fog. Those are three I guarantee you an examiner is going to ask you about on a private pilot checkride guaranteed one, at least one fog being the first one. But icing and turbulence very, very important too. All three super important. But they're going to always ask you about fog, always. So understanding about how the temperature dew point gets close together is going to cause fog. Knowing how to watch for that, know how to watch how the temperature dewpoint starts coming together very, very, very important. So if you don't know there's currently brand new weather videos in there, one more that you probably don't know about because we haven't emailed anybody out on that one yet. And then he's got these others that he's working on right now that will be coming in very soon. And the thing on the weather that we haven't done yet, we still have left all the old weather videos in there. Okay. We know we have to go in at a certain point and remove some of the older stuff but we didn't want to start taking away for somebody who may be working on a check ride next week and they're halfway through the weather section and then we pull it and they go hey, I was working on that. So we've left the older section. So you're welcome to look at all that weather, as much of it as you want to consume, it's there for you and know at the beginning of it it's going through the basics for private pilot what you need to know. And as you get further down the page, further down the category, it gets deeper and deeper. And with Time we're going to go through and, you know, surgically remove the ones that we think are just too much or remove the ones that Brian has now covered with a newer video. We'll go in and remove those older videos so that you don't have the confusion of. Well, I already saw that in the part that Brian just did. So that's what's going on with the weather section. So I'm glad Brian brought that up because that is pretty huge. And I see Clarence said in our area, wildfires and fog combination or headache, these weather courses definitely apply. Absolutely, Clarence, absolutely. And there's Heather. I have watched this, his new one on fonts. As a non pilot, it is easy to understand and just an overall fantastic video with maps and symbols. There you go. Brian had Heather watch it considering Heather knows a lot about aviation now working with us, but she's not a private pilot. So it was a good test for Heather to watch the video and see if it made sense to somebody coming into it new. Because that's again, what we're doing is making it very, very basic weather, simple to understand. Trying to keep them, you know, five, 10, maybe 20 minutes at the tops so that you don't sit there for an hour going, oh my God, weather. I'm falling asle. So that's what's happening. All right, well, do us a favor. Subscribe to the channel. When I get done, I'll throw the helicopterground.com link down below. And one more thing, I'm gonna throw out a code today. KK25 off. We don't have any big special sales going on right now. The July 4th special sale is over. But I have a code. 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