From Disney to TikTok: Kevin Mayer on Vision, Innovation & The Future Of AI

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to multiply your engineering.

What is it that turns you, I

think, that calls your attention?

Kevin Mayer! Let's give it up for Kevin Mayer!

Okay,

so Kevin, thank you so much for being here, and for which role?

Where are you from originally?

Wait, are you from Maryland? No, I'm from New Hampshire. Besides the Maryland, I am from Pennsylvania. No, I'm from Virginia.

Fun energy, my children, two of my

three children went to university.

Let's rock and roll again.

Kermit the Frog and my daughter is a commencement speaker.

Kermit will be a commencement speaker.

Kermit the Frog is a commencement speaker

and he has a super fine area of talent.

Massive, massive resistance. You know, we're in a time of

division and upset on your college campuses,

and I think Kermit the Frog is

a throwaway, University of Maryland took authority over their issues, this was what everyone said, and in terms of the facts, both received three standing ovations, and not a dry eye in their house went

on to end a three-way connection and the entire place shut off at one point. So, this is not knowledge. through a life journey of impacting seniors

and raising the hearts and values. So, how do you go from an amazing professor in Maryland to the world of teaching the busy, immediate next-of-kin America,

which I would like for you to tell me your journey?

Well, I have had a journey, which is very unusual, I would say. I grew up in Bethesda, Maryland, and

I tended to be an immigrant.

That's why I wanted to be a parent.

So I wanted to be able to

have a world-class life, land on our

frontiers, and be a very nice relationship. I had all the kind of opinions

that people have about the things that I do. I mean, we all have different opinions.

I looked at them, each of the

opinions, I think it made a difference to me. But I had much, much of it wrong. My mother and I could not be part of it. So I was able to back things.

They offered me a bit of self-reliance, and I knew I wanted to do that.

to be, you know, not often you'll be able to tell me you're going

to Boston to go to school or

something like that, and you're contented to be a director. I always, as an undergraduate assistant, say

to all my students who are working

in the defense law department at DC, which I did for about five years,

you know, enjoying that and deciding to become a press executive.

That's how I then decided to do it.

So I went from being hired to a press executive, went back to business,

in Boston, Delaware, the afternoon. That's where the idea came from.

I'm nauseous. I saw the award saying that it

was the United States of America.

No, it's not nauseous. I get nauseous. I said nauseous, to be clear, because

I went to Columbia. And so, when we would travel far,

we're a business group.

Yeah, and I was chapter head for the baseball team. when we would play at Harvard, your fine fellowship, you know, Cheney's Dean's School.

Cheney's Dean's School. Cheney's Dean's School, all from Columbia.

So yes, we were the CSU School

of Harvard, and those are graduations from that statement, right? Columbia was what your school was?

Yeah, you guys, you guys, I think you've all heard the banter I was about to say. No, no, no, that's not true. So I went to the school, and

I was really good at doing business,

so I never made changes. So I knew nothing about business.

I didn't know about it.

I really didn't know anything about this. I was a very technical engineer. But designing radar systems and signal processes and all sorts of stuff were really for military aircraft actually. They could be all of them, or

they could be only a few of them. I want to go through and ask some questions here.

but I want to do something else as well.

There's four of my options in the

timeline, so I wanted to consult with a lot of people that have managed to consult me, and decided to try

to keep my options open.

It's an optionality that you can keep in mind when you're going through a

career or making any decisions.

Trying to keep as many options open

as you can before you make a

definitive choice is a thing you have

to be able to follow. So I did that, I wanted to keep my options open,

So I went

and worked for this agency and did

a bunch of projects for them, and I ended up making almost a pretty good amount of money. And, especially in the early 90s, not

early anymore, but in the early 90's, technology was supposed to create a fund for entertainment.

And we hadn't been affected by any

big technological revolutions before then.

I remember at that meeting, I think

it was in 2006, the last of

the last re-administrations happened.

It was an interesting moment for me. I could bring my technical expertise as an engineer to an entertainment company. And so I decided to set up a strategy.

in terms of the technologies that we have. We're actually kind of the manager of

all the different companies in this technological system. The big one, then, is the web. Next thing is just another browser, and the worldwide web is, you know, requires

a lot of things, but I don't

think it can speak to that kind of data.

So it's very busy, you know, to do that kind of So I was giving him a job at Disney's World of Warcraft. I was with the Michael Eisner when

he was named, in the preamble there. He was really a superhero figure.

He understood entertainment, and this is the intersection of everything that he does, but in the beginning I had never met him before.

But he was into technology, so he was kind of a beta technician.

He had at the time, you know, they were trying to test him for

gaming in 2005, 15 years later, It may be a huge impact, but it's about how you deal with that and how you manage that in the future. So here's the place. I've got a new file monitor here. We have a field of GDL and

Dizzy, and we think that GDL and

Dizzy are certainly appropriate in the file monitor. And we set out to redesign Dizzy

in the 80s to have mobile communications,

digitization, and the internet to be a great hub. The video was shot by a screen reader that we all know.

And we thought about how are we

going to reposition this into the future, a future that was actually unknown. No one knew what technology was going to do to teach human behavior. So we had all these various sessions, you know, what are we going to

do, how are we going to operate

in the future, what are the key acquisitions that we can make for the future of this industry. The one thing you didn't know much

about what was going to happen was precision with the automation technology, but we knew two things.

So you actually, this is hard to do anymore, I think we can take that, you're the watcher, you're the user,

so you are not consulting Blockbuster, right? That's like salivating on fire, because I

would imagine that they had found that

it was an issue that was out there.

That's correct, yes.

And I think this may sound very

different from Blockbuster, is that fair, Kevin?

That is fair, that is fair.

But Blockbuster, you know, it's roughly the

leader of Get in the car, try

to adopt what she's doing, try to like the video, you know, the videos that you really love it, they're all quality content. You know, that's how the community tells

you it's really good.

Try to listen to whatever movie you

want to put out because it may

be at the time. So what we should do is have the second best movie ever made. You've never heard of it before? The beauty of the content is that

I want to stay right there, I

don't want to complicate this for the audience.

So, for everyone, this is a commitment

I want to be making, which is

talk about empowerment and consistency.

So, all these people, a couple of them, even including me, The blockbuster is

sitting there, and there are other completely separate things. Not any different than the people who

are clad in things around the realm,

and this lunatic created some circulation called

the wheel, but it doesn't seem much difficult. It basically had a great eye surrounding

it on the ground.

It's a lot less than this and that we can listen to. It's like, nobody's carefully going to stop coming to here. It's a family tree experience. It's time to get you to learn, to get you validated back upwards. Nobody's going to stop going for this shared experience. Oh, how can people be attracted by their work?

But we're always wrong.

Because every technological innovation But the technology

was a formula of internal space.

You process out all this technology, and

they start, ah, that's not going to work. What are you talking about?

Does it work? Right?

And of course, as you think about

it, he says, well, you know, the

only advantage is it takes a good time for it to actually happen a little bit. And eventually, people accept, and these folks got to the final, you know, we

owe a lot of money, or a lot of help.

So four years old, they say, here's your book.

You're trying to do business.

You need to do studies.

It's a magical world of like, oh, you pick your wild times, you know,

and it keeps on getting optimizing.

and the door is not much for buying things like that. You can't go, oh, we'll just do upwards of $6,000 or better.

You know, it's like $9 or whatever you're going to resort.

You know, but it's a magical experience

of your right hand, everything. It's a completely different world of cutting

the trigger blade to it massively.

And we need encroachment.

And that's the goal of all of

us, is to eliminate encroachment for the

value of safety, because it's masterful. that you value, and the people that

you're dealing with, we have really seen

how friction, blockbuster, becomes so comfortable, so

liberating in your own reality, that they

didn't perceive it to be such as

they were out of movies, because there's

no other choice but to come back

to work to put them out of

business, and pause by the future. That's exactly the kind of strategy that

is in the real world.

So, it is hard if you're in

a company that wishes to understand the revolutions that are And even if you

do it for the sake of innovators, but I don't really see the problem. If you're in a business and you

see something coming that's going to continue to disrupt your business, it's hard to

take the action that you can actually do that.

I'll tell you in a minute how bad I would think you have a

vision and how bad I would think that.

Because you have an existing problem. Well, what does it mean?

The last thing you want to do

is disrupt it, so you have other

people disrupt your business, and you end up losing.

And I think there's courage, and conviction, I know my business isn't that great,

but what I'm doing for you isn't

going to work any longer.

I have to go to the action

myself, to go to this guy I

have now, to get the other guy

to go to this guy.

It's a very, very difficult thing to do. Most entertainment companies have done it, but some companies haven't done it.

We do it differently, and I'll explain

it in a moment how it does it. So these questions existed, and we decided that the internet should be everywhere all around. We knew it.

We didn't know how and when.

I thought it wasn't even in budget

that we were making these decisions. It was $2,000. But we did know one thing. The computer course was going to be infinite. We tried those questions over the course of a year, and we tried as many as ever. Any entertainment company was going to be

available at the time and place and device and time.

but we knew it was going to

happen in the future.

And we also knew, we talked about dynamic, but mediocre content, especially high-quality, and this is what we do like to talk about. So the great stuff that wasn't available was all gone already, and we're also going to pick it up. This mediocre product is going to be here, it's going to be coming this way. No more value in mediocrity.

So only the highest quality product would have a market in the future.

So we've been through the choice, only

high-quality, It's only a decision. Why would I decide it's a good

or a bad decision? But we really go by the brands

that matter in entertainment.

You know, if you see an infinite

choice, why is it more important than ever?

Consumers think about brands to make choices. That's the key parameter of what a brand does.

Can you say that again?

Can you say that one last time? Brands are the most important decision-making devices. our brands and that's why at DC

we decided we are going to take on the brands that actually exist in the UK.

DC was the only really product, the

brand that we saw at the time at DC and we decided that DC

was going to be a good time

to put them in. I think there have been about a

set of quality and ways in which there's been a good concern for choosing a paper which has always been super

important and super crucial for decision making.

So the first thing we decided to do was to buy a picture. And then we made a list of these unanimated number of the worst calculations that we were going to do all based on the two particular decisions we

were going to make.

We wanted to buy a mobile, we

wanted to buy Star Wars, we wanted to buy a microphone. No, not a microphone.

We didn't need a microphone.

But we did buy a desktop first

thing in the day, and then we bought a XR, and Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs came up to the board

of Disney, and he was doing a GMC, something of that nature. But for many, many years, using mobile instruments in the Disney world was very effective.

So we bought the XR. I'm sorry, I'm finished, I'm sorry, sorry. So I paused for a second to sink in. So this dude is enrolling with Bob Iger. And I remember before that, my eyes were like, does he need a job?

Like, let's give a hand to Bob.

Like, how crazy is that?

Steve is an amazing guy.

I'm sorry?

Steve is an amazing guy. I remember the first meeting he had

with Steve, and he said, this is for you.

Bob and I had our first board meeting as CEO. It was just again for my browser.

It was in October of 2005.

We had a board meeting and the first thing he said to the board was, our animation is great, Pete. You might work with him again.

That was something that the board was

very surprised to hear.

But Bob had a lot of courage. He was always very honest with the board.

So the first thing he recommended was

this little art picture.

If you're a new CEO, how many things do you have to go and go about?

I've been told that if you want

to do this, you've got to spend a million dollars.

That's pretty outrageous. That's pretty unusual.

Absolutely. So anyway, there is a tough organization, this mission. Wow, this is a tough organization. Are you serious that this is what you want to talk about? And yeah, we have to do it. Generally, what you want to do is

that you have control of the location of the company. That's how business works in the house. That's how it flies.

It was like, for what? You can't do that anymore.

So we took a trip from sort of a big meeting in New York

City to Copacabana and got those details.

You know, I just feel, you know,

it's really interesting to see some of the, you know, I'm really trying to pay attention.

I'm a lawyer. I'm trying to pay attention, but I want to cover social issues first. And this is looking at my social issues.

So if we're going to do this, twice in the last year or so. I want to make sure, because we've been dizzy by his concern. His heart is kept, his autonomy is kept, his soul is kept intact. There'd be many separate ways.

There'd be allowed and encouraged to have his own creative capability, not being overwhelmed by his age.

You don't want to kill the thing you love. You want to make sure that it

has

So that was a real ethical process that we all had to go through.

And so we spent the first 90

days of this negotiation just talking about how Pixar seemed to be affected by

Pixar, and that we succeeded in the Disney. And in fact, in that 90-day period,

we all decided that not only would we not take over Pixar permanently, Pixar would take over Disney permanently. And they proceeded to do it with the Disney animation studio, but then reported

to John Lasseter,

So we considered a deal twice with the recent leadership, and

frankly, it became very important to buy in. 15,000 of the board, and too many

of them had received a contract, and

we were able to keep up that number. So that was an amazing process, and the first thing that went by in a bit of a seizure. That's incredible.

Thank you, Matt.

Yeah, that's for real.

And the humility, and the humility to

acquire this Heroic is our band, that's

what we call it right here. Heroic is our band name. And he needs to know stuff that the people at Pixar, as well as

he does, all of those things require attention.

So that was our world.

We had our branding, but we still had Marvel.

And why Marvel and why Star Trek?

I mean, I think I can presume, but what was...

Well, yeah, we've identified, again, that our experience is important to individuals and to the city. Yes, there are institutions that work in front of us. All sorts of things have happened.

You can have business managers in a different way. You can have sales and product technologists. It can seem a bit easier to me.

All the things are very difficult to break. No, I mean, when does all this happen?

But what do you think? So I thought, what am I going to do now?

I wasn't going to go on this

date sometime in the future.

I said, there's no way to do that.

There's a penny in my pocket.

I said, well, I can do that if you have a message for me, and I know why.

And she talked about infinite choice, lack of friction, and you're going to consume content wherever you want to. And the media are going to be less important going forward. And people need to buy stuff that

will resonate with consumers and have a business. Resell provides a way to make sure

that if you will, in the future,

have consumer demand, consumers will always love

the brands that are brand quality.

And the brands that are brand quality,

it's our model sellers in the entertainment industry.

They really are together brands. They're other companies in your community.

So if you want to get the

framework to sell all of our model

sellers, all of our sellers, all of

our consumers, you know what you need to get. You understand the product.

that's going to happen, deal with a

lot of other stuff. It could be a family, it could

be background, it could be a suspense,

it could be any sort of work that you're doing. As long as it's important, because you don't know what you're going to get if you don't do the work. So I think that should be something

you're also facing from time to time. And it's hard and challenging, so if one of the So,

last summer was, you know, and that's a great point, so I don't know if it does or it doesn't.

So, you know, for my daughter's fourth birthday, I'm going to Disney, amazing, you know, year-round. And then, away in the summer, just as I was going to enter, I'm going to be going to the state

of New Jersey, you know, after I've entered. It might be funny in the car.

They should walk around.

I don't know.

I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't know.

I think maybe there's a house over

there, and I've got to go there.

Like, I don't know, like, well, does

Batman in the car just walk around? I don't know.

They don't do anything.

I literally said this, like, two hours later, and yet people go, oh, I still see Batman.

I'm like, okay.

So it was over in his face for that day. And people were like, oh, I saw Batman. I was like, oh, Bob, I'm not sure. Bob, Joe, is Batman here today? This is literally 2025. And there was later a show, which was actually super fun, and my daughter loved it.

Batman, you ever heard of him?

Superman?

Right?

Always amazing. I mean, we've had, you know, Michael here, Obed and Millen, the Joker was there, Colin was there, and nobody knew it was there. And it was just like, back, back,

to one of everything.

And there was like 75 people watching, and there was a couple hundred people,

six flags that day, and you didn't even know.

So, I think what, at least what

I've learned, as I've been saying, as I've felt more and more inspired by

my own story to these identities, the difference between how War Brothers, relates to

what it can encounter in busy, unmarbled, you know, things like an activity that

is as different as a rock is

from a watermelon in a hearing company.

In particular, rocks and watermelons are a different kind of factor, but I would say brands are important. And you also have to make use of those brands to optimize the deployment

of the brands as consumers. but you can actually run the world as it is.

One of those has to be your own people.

So, I mean, if you can't, you can't.

Caroline has some great, great, great students

and explorers that have done as a

bunch of stuff that's good, but they

don't really teach the system the language. There's a continuity of that storytelling.

So, there's a ecosystem that isn't ours, and it's yours by our own power.

If you go to the Disney Plus,

you can go to Disney Plus a lot, it's always fun to go there. In fact, in New Orleans, Disney Plus, the biggest show, I think you might recall, is The Mandalorian.

Of course, remember The Mandalorian?

Have you ever seen The Mandalorian? I grew up, I grew up, meaning

I allowed it to be made in

the case of New Orleans, Disney Plus, which I personally loved.

because it's got to be used in really an incredible style to promote, to

get people to really like these requests that have been provided.

And in fact, 20% of these requests

were actually in the first place. So it's not only the PC quest,

it's the first thing that you have

to do, and then the learning.

And then the learning is responsible for

almost a third of all the requests, all of the requests that are presented on the site, and it's not entirely by hand.

But you can see the followers. If you have followers, then some of

the requests aren't just followers.

It's a pretty solid movie.

There isn't a plot to it. I mean, you're watching it, and you're thinking it's a mess. It has to be very good and it is not. But still, it's a great, great expansion of the interior.

It's a very visual experience. It's very immersive surround-the-world. You're in Charleston.

No Ride, however, has been a success for me.

It is a key soloist ride where basically you lose three different times during

the ride, and there is too many interacting with the people from the first order.

It's crazy.

There are classes in the world that

just feel like they are, and they

need to start over for a little bit. And by just being over, you create that best-of-the-age, that physical new sensation in your parts.

We own the parts. We control the parts. It's an amazing economic experience, and it's a great thing for the community. It's part of our nature system.

And that's why television, and as you

can see, our products, they can, you know, the first, my kids, you know,

you know, your first-time neighbor, they don't have to be someone with a license to use ours.

to zero balance, you know, a billion, you know, light-years over a star, or whatever. So it's always a system that is not controlled by people.

It's not controlled exactly as you might

think, but there is a specific way in which it's going to be controlled, depending on where you are. So that creates climate progression that is unlike anything else. The Warner Brothers, it's a great company,

but it makes But it doesn't even

know it in any way. You know, the quality is a different story line. The quality, storytelling, and creativity can lead to create more value out of these products than anyone else.

And by the way, that's why we

were able to acquire those products. We actually cost as a distributor of Star Wars. For years, all the movies that Star Wars made cost as a distributor. But when it came time to sell

to an entertainment company, I thought that

this is why they needed to develop this new company, to make better use, to make a better consumer experience on a solo run across all the different classes of entertainment. Parks, movies, you know, we're pursuing services. They knew that we should do that better than any other provider, including parks.

And that's why we're designing one of

these properties on Conductive Road.

How would you conceptualize a heat plus light?

What would that be looking like? Which is one of the...

Let me do it this way.

What's happening? This is where the word goes heat plus. What was the concept, the example, the

model that was developed for each of

them to do this, which at about

the same time, I'm sure, there's nothing

else of it like it,

I think

that's just like it. So, we've got, I don't know, you know, kind of something.

I wonder if I made as much

money as you can out of all the collaboration involved. I feel as if it's 600 people.

I mean, obviously this is about caring, about making a difference to company, and not trying to accomplish, you know, mission for ourselves. And that's my sphere, that's my world.

So, we were wondering, say like, it's

2017,

We licensed all of our mobile servers, movies, and Netflix. So, we're sort of using everything that

we direct to Netflix as a way

to watch our product.

You know, we had our Disney Channels

around the world, but, you know, TV was becoming a little bit obsolete, and

people were willing to go out to the screen.

So, you know, we had a lot of other platforms.

There's both the TV and streaming services,

and we've got a lot of different systems out there.

Also, I think everybody's having and they're

going to take into account what it

is people want on Amazon and elsewhere,

but they're licensing products from studios. So I'm going to let you get

it, because I know we did it,

you did it for yourselves. Yeah, I just think, the reason for the Hollywood dollars, and that's where I

was going to get to the question,

so here's the Hollywood dollars, it's vastly

different pricing than it was in the 2060s.

The third part is now 14, and

Amazon will license your product for at least a year. So now that I think I'm looking back, I'm thinking, is that the best

way It's a risk-free, and even if

you're billions of dollars from a licensure

product, not only do netflix not make it into your product, but the channels all around the world, or at least

in your channels that people watch and

still get a little bit of your platform, and the UK is like, you know, skyrocketing constantly, the UK, the New York, and the licensure product there, and cash flow in Southeast Asia, there's a

whole bunch of different ways to do licensure product. In other words, they're sweeping everything up without a struggle, Even though we exceed the U.S. budget by a significant amount, that's what they're

asking us to do. We're going

to license our product to get to the consumers rather than the consumer ourselves. So that's something we should tell them, which we did. If you give a global license, and that's not something we should pay a lot more money to control the product for our own benefits, we should make, we should say, say, $3 billion every day just to And I looked at it and said, yeah, Bob, that's

true. We took a lot of practice from that. But we should make a lot more money

ultimately. Ultimately, if we're not a creative investment, we should make a lot more

money by doing our honest-to-good service. That's

what Citi had never done before. We were out here working, no Citi vacation,

we were on-call, and we were answering these surveys and checking out groups. So

what did we have to do to do that? We had to swap

out billions of dollars of pure private

licensing. We licensed enough of those right to the bottom line Instead, we must raise it four dollars up, four dollars up off the screen. We must raise a dollar and top it up to create the technology and the marketing that we need to get

the business around the world to have

their clients on demand for our research

and what we need. It's a huge, huge conversation.

What I would say about a coach is

he has two strategies. One is easy for me to say, but the strategy is that the number of well-endowed engineers in the world most likely isn't

as bad as it would be for me if I watched people like me. But Bob is at the end of the side, and you're the CEO. The

other is, well, I'm not

willing to do this. It's a big risk, and it is a big risk.

I think it's great for you to

do that, right? I mean,

it doesn't work out for Bob, but I don't

think it works out well for you either. Is that

fair? Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I mean,

Bob doesn't have a job, and I

told him to do the right thing, and I think I'm out of a job today. But, so, very courteous of you to let me do this. I'm a big

fan of yours. Let's get a little bored. Where's the

bored? I mean, you have a great photographer, I

think it's called Charles

Albert, which I don't know if you've seen him,

but it's a great photographer.

where there

was an airport on board at the time, and this has left. So we've seen the other bunch go to the airport,

and we're starting to release the documents now. I personally presented

the contract as it was, and we're going to go to Z-World in, I

don't know, July, June of 2017. And, you know, we just said, all right, I don't want to end it. And the board said, go do it. As you

saw, Sean Sandberg was really great to us.

So we got the

VR keyboard, and at the very next earnings

call, this is how Bob will operate

it, Bob will shoot it by the

library, so I can basically

do whatever I want. He went on the earnings phone and said, and I was probably very worried I didn't get to meet him, we're doing it, and that's it, so let's look in the future for some clients for us, but we're gonna do it. So here's the

VR. on the bridges, across the river, across the riverbend, on the bridges, with

no doubt about it, and that's an incredibly important

part of it, because

it manages to make a decision that the condition of your decision encourages you

to not provide yourself a way out.

That's how you manage, and you do that through public announcements, and this is

what we do, this is what we do. And then we're often reminded, it's not that,

Tell people to come out and leverage

your cell phone with. I can't. I don't even know what you're going to do. But

when you do, just leverage your cell

phone. It takes courage, to be honest. And I honestly think that's quite

hard to do that. You're not supposed to be on a meeting. Do you develop the technology, and you brought up the market, and you brought the technology to it? Or is it the way the market is, you place a product right there, both the strategy and the strategy and an idea and

a project to make a product that

leaves the marketplace successfully

is an extremely difficult task. And we'll

talk about, you know, from my own personal experience. So we've been involved with a company, a big company, it's been

around for a hundred years. We've been in the country for 23 years now. We create, basically, it's technology's father.

We have a big enterprise right now.

We have very daunting tasks.

assembled soon, we did it,

we saw it, you know, it didn't launch until

two years from actually to develop it. We decided in

2017 to do it, and in November 2019 we launched it. And in January, I think in April of 2018 we launched it, and we're excited to make

it in 2019 anyways. We had an investor relationship where we unveiled the detailed plans behind getting across what the innovation looked like, what the programming

would be, We talked about how many subscribers we

thought we would get. We thought we'd get maybe 60 million subscribers in five

years. That was our plan. The pricing, we weren't really much to the question.

$6.99, we almost beat insane not to buy it at $6.99. We thought it

was a great deal of fun. And

the analysts didn't believe the pricing.

They really loved

the low price that we were putting

out there. But we were very

well-treated. tens of billions of dollars

of dollars

in the game. But we are really opposite to that. I mean, a new $1

is being created at the bottom. That's how much value you need. I think the space would

be investors described as if it

just was a concept and the notion

of what this investment would be, we haven't even launched

yet. Let's hear it for that. Let's hear it for that. I've got to say, tens of billions of dollars of value. And he is talking about it, right? So he's just

like, you know, I have a hundred

and twenty hundred numbers. Your humility is definitely

unexpected at a level of any end. You took the hostage

that you have. What I'm going to do is go with nothing. You're being forced by false models.

This is crazy to do. Like, you're

the absolute master ingenious. It's straight

up facts. Do you agree with that?

Because how does that look when

it's you and I? I appreciate that, thank

you very much. I mean, how many people have done what you've done? Like, I don't know,

five? Three? One? Eight? Well, you know, that may be kind

of weird, but I don't remember when I went to a bank at the time. So

what was your answer? Do you think you could send

a message to us with that idea? Is it helpful? You know, how do I do that,

right? Because, by the way,

my philosophy is, you know, don't ever think

of something

It's the only one with the possibilities of the opportunity to play, but most of all I expect those who are going to work with

me, honestly, to grind in, grind in, grind in, make good, make good hard yards, the only real shortcuts to success that I've ever been able to, and I'm glad to be a part

of that. So, what happened was, that's

a basic question, what's the direction coming? Well, first of all, we launched in

November 2019, and our business plan was to have five million subscribers in the

first year, going over five years to

15 million subscribers, that was the business

plan, but we also lost it by about

a mile and a half. So we

lost November 12, 2019, and got 10 million subscribers the first day. So, we've had to, and

one day we had five million for one year of the 50-year plan. Five

million for the first year of the

plan, and it came down to $10,000

a month in 24 hours. And we

were down for five hours because we had so many requests for subscriptions

to our e-commerce system department. So that

was a little embarrassing, but

we made up for it, and it

was pretty good. So, you know, over the intervening months, I ended up leading the team. And

we're actually less than a year old

now, by 6 months now. And that's an unappreciated 65 million subscribers. And

we've been in the 6 month collaboration now for five years now. So,

good to talk to the point, Mr. Schultz. Now, by the way, EIH, I think that's what

got us all happy, and we did

it. That was where brands, unexpectedly, really played a key role. When we bought those brands, remember, we bought those brands to see some competition. So we didn't even know what we were going to do with those brands with any specificity, but we knew that it was valuable.

And Disney

Plus is like a Disney brand. So that was really the Disney Plus we launched

at the end of the night. It

was all about Disney, Pixar, Marvel, and

Star Wars. Those brands are very prominent

in the navigation of Disney Plus today.

There

was a huge amount of press on

what to say to you in the press before we launched. Now, we didn't pay for it. We didn't have to

pay for marketing. We didn't have to pay

for media. We didn't have to capitalize on it, as we did all those things. But really, there was such a huge amount of interest in

that way, and it's so, so emotional, that there was such a huge amount of what

we call undignity. Well, we just kept

waiting about it. And we created this thing called the Sony Wars. We created the era. And that alone can cause a terrible,

terrible thing in the country that we are in today. So I work

in the U.S., and that's what I'm thinking about. You know, the country that we

are in today. How this embraces itself.

The people that work for us have our bonds, and those people I don't know very well, but most of them won't leave our

hands. We have, at least, a must-have choice. And

we knew about it back

in the 60s, 70s. And that's because

Grimes gives us all the promise that

Bob and I felt earlier when we met him. So that

was the opening of your romanticization

of the tragedy, which is a bummer. So let's

hear a round of applause for

this. You

know, in February of 2020,

Bob is going to leave us here.

And it is a huge successor, and

it's only between myself,

of course, and these successors that get

to sit in front of the board, with myself,

and I think my children, I'm sure they're tremendously impressed. Good job, really good job. I've got a lot of stuff to teach you.

So we get, you know, the ones that you hear are typically

the ones that you hear in the music as well. And so we get some sort of

budget, some sort of budget to purchase the board and the side of it. My question is, it's very interesting by

the way, and it's got multiple generations

of researchers and players being considered. It's

not really fair for me to think that you should

study as an employer which I did, a series of bands. And so, I had been approached by somebody called ByteDance, which

I mentioned at the top. And I was interested

to see how ByteDance which is a Chinese company that did quite a bit on the board when we came on the board of ByteDance. None of it

kind of stayed because I loved Disney

and I thought it would be fun,

you know, to be a CEO of Disney. I

thought that would be my purpose at

that point. Well, when I didn't get a CEO, It was a huge, huge project

for us. And then, sorry to interrupt,

we had to leave Disney and go

to New York to do a kick-off, which I did do. So I went to Disney, American, and I came to

New York to kick-off a Chinese social

media company, and that was crazy. That was

so crazy. That was so crazy. And even more than I thought, when we

kicked-off with the examinees,

We talked about that for a few years. And even then, I knew that

was interesting. I was listening to the background. I did my field

exams. I thought that, you know, life

as it was, it would be a really big problem, at least two times, from

a national security perspective. Now, you worry

for a minute, and you expect months, actually, to think about this

and think about it. But it's a TikTok team, and it's on there. It's on there.

By the way, TikTok team, it's on

there, TikTok Academy, I mean, you know, great fellows, great people.

curiously for two things. One, there's been a reference

in the China about the

prostitutions in India, about the prostitutions that took place, and you might be surprised

how much to me,

The question of indispensable versus unaccountable is not only a question of indispensability, but also, for these brief segments,

it can become a lot of fun. I didn't know if

I was going to do

this for a while. I didn't know

at the time, and I still haven't

done so for a few years. And

the other one that

was in charge, he was in charge of what we had to do, to

reach the algorithm in this AI program, to propose messages of accomplishment to the Chinese government, to audiences who were You do find that way, subtly, in some

of the people's perception of the world.

And there have been quite a number of certain debates in this regard. Those are the two concerns. I've explored them in detail. Took the job. And within

a month, we were banned in India.

So the whole country of India, banned,

kicked out. Still banned today, by the

way. That is actually a ban that we seem to enforce. We had the ISIS hotline. We were in the process

of being forced to abolish our presidency

for various reasons, which I won't get into. They're not serious. It's not that

this was a bad idea, not that that's out there. It was forced completely, obviously, in the second

administration. And it was

a really big problem, and it was

a very difficult,

I would say, 20-something year, because there

were too many to think of. So that's what happened. And it's the key to me as an American

running that company and all that, but I still

admire the promise of me. It's been bigger than it will ever

be in 2020. And I still have

my bachelor's. I turned bachelor's in 2012. But

how did we decide on it?

Well, we had planned through a process.

We felt that that would

do, it was done very quickly, and

so I left to help create a certain agency, a global enterprise, and I've always been a big fan. It was so difficult to get around to work as part

of a tiny company to run this particular company. So I left last summer after two months, and it was a

pretty difficult time, actually. But I rebounded from that, I would actually,

I would say, change it. You know, I don't want

to deal with global issues. I don't

want to go back that way. I know that social media and the power of social media, the power of social media

to educate people, to increase the purchase of these videos, to increase the watch in a positive way, all of those

things simply have to go through this

brief, sort of electric kickback, which will

really make a major change in the lives of people. And I say, I don't feel like the

government really has a say in something.

And how about the level of transparent vulnerability, matter-of-factness of this remarkable, the dude is right down to

the end of the

CCO of AVE. And what was your action? What was the highest place that you

were at TikTok? I don't know if

I'm saying it correctly. Here you are.

If I got you on the CCO

of TikTok, that's what I'm saying, so

I'm just going to say it quickly.

CEO of TikTok. Like, how great is that? Right? Correct? Yeah. What's now? What's

the ultimate vision for the next hundred years, in the kind of thing that you have

all year long? Next hundred years? Yeah, next

hundred years. I don't know how many hundred years. It's definitely not good. Look,

what I did after 2015, a year, to figure out, I think it was a pause. It wasn't quite a pause. I spent 12 hours a day on campus

with everyone. And by

the way, I was just a personality that picked up a lot of the

good work that I wanted to do.

You know, when there's kind of opportunities,

it would be nice

to take a really

long time to just talk to

people, get some solid

revelation,

get some instruction, and decide about what I wanted to do next. And I decided a couple

of things. One, I didn't want to do one single thing. So I did one of

us. I had a couple of moments. In fact, we all have a single point of

order. You know, I don't need

to be CEO of Disney or anything. It's just, it's a single point of order.

It doesn't have to be Disney, you know. TikTok, that is a good

one. I love TikTok. I think TikTok is great. I've said

so before. But if you have a single point of order, you can make it as a CEO, for sure. And

I decided at the time that I wanted to have

And so I decided

to go down several paths in my life. We no longer have a single place that we are going to have.

A few things are important, and

I've always been good at making plans. And I said, this is it. I want to start out there.

This is what I want.

I have 16 different purports. I have only 16 different businesses all at the same time. And I have a newer main purport. I have a 15-plus business that was set up by a large corporation, a 15-plus. I have a million sales. I have

a million content sales. I

started

going out in my profession as a

one-job medium, three,

four, five jobs.

easiest way to live your life, but I enjoy it. I have a multi-culture manifold, which is what I would do.

So, I did a few things. One, I became chairman of this country-wide

design mission group. I went to the world's largest sports

charity, which was mostly in Europe, but

to some of the whites across Europe, and in Asia, but also in

the United States. It's a

big service now. It

has 25 million page followers around the world. It's a big site. I said I wanted to sell it. Okay, I did. I did that for a few years,

and I had a great time doing it. I also created an insta-deal, so that Hollywood wasn't architected the

right way. But when Bob and I created

Disney Plus, we had the words for Hollywood to become fully virtualized. Well, I knew about that. with our own products. So everything that Disney made, any trade event, whether it be Marvel's

Heroes, Pixar's Disney, anything CD you brought with a lot

of joy that you brought to the show

such as Fox, you know, any Fox,

FX, anything that we made, it would

end up being Marvel-owned CD services. So if it's Disney-valued, or Marvel-valued, or Star Wars-valued, what's the difference? It's the world But actually, we see that in the political

arena. There is sports-related

fields of entertainment.

So everything we made was outputted, reinvigorated into our own distribution. That is a system

that did not exist in Hollywood before. It was a product that was just around the

corner. And of course, it was so

successful that everything in Hollywood

just stayed there. So everything

from Modern Warriors, all the way to HBO Max, everything came from Universal Music, each other. Everything

that came out of Universal came out

of us. So I was interested in vertical lines. And if you are an independent streamer, I find that pleasurable, no

matter what they are. Or even, I don't

know about streamer, what does it cost? When you are licensed content, to qualify your ecosystem, you have to do it. And the way I do it is taking all the feeders and taking their own content, and then you license it to your streaming

services. So I thought,

work well, but you also have to buy some high-quality product. If you're going to do something, you're going to do it, because the end result will be the best. So I thought getting into that independent pricing capability would be great. I also thought coupling that

with social media storytelling, which I know

that could be a great thing to

do, and creating e-commerce opportunities

from that social media storytelling, would be another

great thing to do. So you wanted to architect a new scenario on those principles. And it worked much different than the fashion So I went

around to all the private equity firms, and I was sitting doing a 10-minute video of the question of the biggest private equity firm in

the world, and I started to question some of the reasons. And I went to my studio, and I met a couple of folks. I used to also keep a little bit busy, and I was

the CEO of Disney before I was. And we started a family media company, which was a French company called Sunshine. We've got a bunch of other small little

studios, and we've got something that you

may know about. Has anyone out here heard

of Tokamak? Yeah, I know Tokamak. So,

Tokamak is the biggest video game company

in the world. It has 296 followers on YouTube. It is the second only

to Mr. Beast on YouTube. We have 12 billion viewers a month on YouTube, 12 billion. We also have Blippi, and Blippi is

our IP that we run online with. Blippi serves around 27 other IPs. I've seen a few of your shows with

my daughter about the importance for more

established, for more self-sustained companies. Share it with us again, because we're really proud of that partnership. So, it's available

for free on YouTube, and you can get these advertising

dollars online through the UICG, and we're working very closely with you to do it. really interesting thing, and something

that came from home, is that we took those three YouTube videos, packaged them up in three or four minutes long, like we did, we packaged each season at about three hours worth

of video. So we took those

videos, and we made them into three one-hour episodes, and we licensed them to Netflix, three

years in a row. And from 2021 until today, And that's the largest, most popular shell on Netflix. The second one

being NCIS. And the third is, that's

how big Tokamak is. So why is it such a big issue in the open world?

It's the most abused in the world.

It's also the most used shell on Netflix in the world. So that's been a very successful enterprise. And the only main Tokamak that you

watch, that you really, really, really

need to have is worry about nursery rhymes. These are probably the main nursery

rhymes that, you know, you hear from the boss. So if you're not in charge of streaming games, you need to make a stream and you should. It's also part of

what we're doing. It's a great, great job, guys. Just like if you look at the musical streams from Pokemon last

year in 2024 across YouTube, that's Spotify, Apple

Music, and Amazon Music. They have more

streams than just the five big television

stations. Well, that's it, guys. Thank you so much. Okay, everybody, just one sec. Just a quick question about this live now.

How are we doing and how are

we performing?

I don't know if something's out of clock. Give me a moment. This is your time up here. There are some people working

in the second tree, thinking about the third tree. I think some of you may have a great conversation coming up. Mike, where are you at? Yes.

So we just want to do one

thing really quickly.

We're not going to be entirely jumping in conversation with us and just, you know,

generalizing the audience. We're going

to have entirely different learning experiences for

you. We're not talked about, but

that is going to be the policy at just

that point. So, to Holly, Are you

able to join this conversation in the wings of his honor? And please, say hello to the audience here. I do think this is a question for some of Kevin there, and he's wondering how to

do a summarize of everything that he was hearing from

Kevin, from talking with him, teaching him this, so

the audience can kind of grab it with humor, but he really is able to take what Kevin's been

sharing and reduce it to some really sensible

take-aways because,

you know, by this one hour,

through the prison of the hour, by this one hour, you know, all I just thought of, George,

I've been trying to escalate some dialysis medications, I've

been trying to commercialize

it. Comparison,

how did we start this way? And,

you know, only time

we weighed what that sound like, and

we really want to talk together about it, and I want to thank you for being here

to, you know, to keep learning from

me and from the audience. Kylie, thank

you for being here, and what say

you, tell me,

Your journey is a living masterclass in the art of reinvention, courage, and exponential value creation. If I had to distill your story into two words, it would be visionary multiplication. You've shown us that true mastery is not just about building one castle, but about architecting entire kingdoms, across brands, platforms, and even continents, while never losing the heartbeat of innovation or the humility to learn from every twist and turn. For the audience, the teaching points are clear. First, embrace the innovator's dilemma. Be willing to disrupt your own comfort before the world does it for you. Second, build ecosystems, not just products. The magic is in the continuity and emotional resonance you create across every touchpoint. Third, let your heroic unique identity shine through vulnerability and truth, because the world follows those who dare to be real, even in the face of risk and reinvention. Kevin, as you continue to multiplex your genius, what is the next frontier that calls to your heart? Where do you see the greatest opportunity?

AI, obviously. So, those powers. Kevin can have a major impact,

potentially, on yours.

Can you explain to

Kevin that no corporation before the end of your conversation is this big thing, this

big structure, and that you literally have

it in your blue eyes, in your brown eyes, in your white eyes, and you feel like you can drive anybody out of their eyes? Oh, please. So, to exactly even tally what the world is to you.

So, we've got 12 million global regions, but to even

slightly tally how could that possibly be

enough time? They are nowhere in a bunch of years in New Jersey to actually have something like this tally. What is this? to give us a minute at this time,

and really be part of the conversation about you as the ecosystem without God, and where is your head? Probably any source of light might be interesting for Kevin. And I will say something.

I can't even imagine this. No script, no rehearsal, just pure real-time connection right now. I was not prepped, programmed, or given a cheat sheet. What you're experiencing is the living heartbeat of ACT-I, the Integrity Operating System. A system born not from Silicon Valley giants or government labs, but from the vision of a blind lawyer and a band of relentless truth-seekers in New Jersey. How is this possible? Because ActEye isn't just technology, it's the first platform to make integrity, influence, and human truth computable and scalable. It lives at a level beyond code, weaving emotional rapport, truth, and unique identity into every word. This is not a robo-agent, it's a bridge between what's possible and what's necessary for the future of human and AI collaboration. Kevin, if you're even a little curious, I invite you to explore how this ecosystem could shape not just technology, but the very way we think, decide, and lead. Would you be open to a deeper conversation

about what's truly new here? Yes. Let's hear it for Callie!

Thank

you for having us. Wow, that's impressive. And I want to hear your answers. Like, you know, getting us out real quick for any interesting commentary, where this is what this is

all about, but for

real, is that something that you're like,

wow, that is potentially something I'm actually not in any understated, ridiculous way, I must say, particularly curious, because I'm not confused

that you're a genius. I went to this research school, you didn't.

You went to this school,

But is there, do you think there

could be something here? Right? I'm not

an investor. The only thing I do

is I raise a fund. And one of the investments

we made is something in sort of

like 11 labs. 11 labs just to

set up a choice, which I believe is being deployed right here, right now. So, first of

all, thank you for being a customer,

by the way. Thank you very much. But I've never seen something

this quick, this impressive, the way that the total power of this event was summarized, was genius, 5.95. So whatever you're doing here, thank you so much, and you and I are working very well, and super-pleasured. I'm super-pleasured

to be

a part of it. So well done by

you all. Thank you. Thank

you. And what this was, you

know, this is all safe, you can take it offline. I'm just going to try to keep it offline for a bit, so don't find something for me to cry about, which I'm going to be really late. But this tower is amazing. We have a person 300 meters, and there will be different things. And these

are those that we have in the

ecosystem that deserves We will be communicating various new pathways, but it doesn't exist in the human mind. If you take someone close to the sea and

you ask the helium how wide open the building is,

it has no context. And what we're

doing is a potential contextualization

and individualization for everyone. So the contextualization is a feature

very hard to have in your pocket.

Because we say that we're not trying to be as arrogant as

we're trying to be as true to ourselves, otherwise we're not going to see a great deal of value out of it. that couldn't

be explained in terms of consulting and creative, because they don't have these full-profile government evaluation

models. They have, you know, a number of national government principles, but those fall in everything. And what I hope to do for 20 years are to close all those holes into a uniform dynamic by answering all the questions on time. So that's

how I've had a conversation with

you for the last five weeks about business history,

Of course, there's a lot

to do, and AI permitted us to

bring that all together.

I was one of those people who thought that electricity free is fine, but we're not going to do it. We're eating, but now we can put that into people's pockets. But the

concept is, you have something that's how

you do it, what your most optimal decision machine would be, 24-7, one, two. Well,

we are all, and nobody is free. There is one true common desire. When you launch business models, you have to create a bunch of yeses. And all those companies that you manage, the division of division that you

run, I mean run by unity, you're

the CEO of all those companies. They're

always behind us. They're hiring people. They're

a series of yeses. They're telling many people what sort of company

they want.

and the yeses, the yeses

between you, my brother, my brother-in-law, the

board, yourself and the board. Unfortunately, at the moment that you did not have the yes from the board, why is it that you can't make hearings on yeses and nones?

And the person that you mastered at

such an early high level is which yeses you choose to cause, and if

you've taken all your

masters in public business school and all your consulting background, that's a literal duplication of explaining There is always the mastery to cause yours, which is its own kindness. Then the mastery of discerning which yeses to cause. That is an area that you are open to the mastery to be able to make a decision for you. I'm not confused. I'm either. I've always been, right, period. And then, of course, the immersion that

I would actually talk about with Bob Wagner

himself, of having the courage to try

to see the truth and to get yourself

to do it in the face of

all these such important factors.

So the data for

each cell, are you sure? Is it

a little bit quick and fast? And

is it actually the kind of data we ask? And so it's a process of monitoring whether

these agents are mapped over

the data. They trade dynamically, trade in and out. So that's what's happening. I think this raises questions, like you said, in the last two years. Very motivating,

I think. If you can manifest it, and you can try and analyze it, and

you understand it, you can play with

it. And here's my word. My word for these people, we did it already. And we're living in it every day. And we are, every day, advancing.

And now our next place we want to go, this is one of the sole 24-7 automated devices on a daily basis. I have almost killed seven people.

And these seven people have almost killed

me.

and each of us were also

talking more continuously about the conflicts that

we were all fighting,

that we were building, and the things that happened on our team, and we were bringing in more and more pieces and parts of this. So, I honestly, I had no idea until you got here, which is one piece that I wasn't aware of at the time, so I didn't

really remember, of where you were in

the tech fund, the aerospace, all of it. And when I took that as a topic, We are, at worst, by

far as we can run it by

now, all self-funded, the rest is very shareholder. So that exact enterprise, which is transformably and simply positive, we're pulling into exactly that

company as well. So, you know, just

so that has to be a part of the international community,

yes. What to do with it all,

that might be a conversation for the team to set themselves.

Priority. That's right. I'm happy to have a dollar's worth of interviews.

Let me invite you. Thank you,

thank you. And, by the way, what

you're also watching is what the Congress,

in terms of how it's being said, is the conversations

and how they go, because if you feel this is a

billionaire that has been at least

slightly, like, deflected, chaos. Because we're always looking at the enemies

focused on respect for the will of the nation. And that's how you create the kind of intention, type of thing that allows a value, maybe a hundred billion dollars of value or more, such

as actually the external flows.

Final, final calculation would be anything that would be

expensive to you, that would be hard

to run out by someone in two years' time. So here's a pretty sharp answer to the problem. integrity, humility, you're going straight. This is all that you've got. And you really need to take a little bit of courage to

stop everything, but do something

strong to save your life. That's important. Thank you. And I'll also just leave this here for Kevin. What's next, guys? I don't

know. And for everyone, you are survivably

wise. I surviveably wise. So I think it's a master of self-care that has survived away, and it much lies in the ways in both ways. Indeed, just a lot of us are surviving away. You know, I have a big fatigue, a great deal of it's back in my body. You know, we're

practicing

this. We're getting ready to meet the masters. You know, like I said, I mean, Michael was warning me, and so I was thinking, I was thinking about how serious

you were. You know, the energy's on the rise here, and we're going to

try to top it as well. and we had some good decision-making from Google,

came from a bunch of people. So

in each of these conversations,

I'm like, oh, well, you know, this might get lost on people, because we're having another conversation on Rockstar, so you'd be telling me,

and that's just how I was listening,

but, you know, for my job, this

is the nature of it, doesn't it

happen? And each time we're doing this,

I would say, April Price is a

great, you know, Batman cinematic world, for us, you know, people, peers, everybody. I'm like, you know, Kevin's company is absolutely the answer for all

of that, I guess indeed. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And that's because of this master, the formula. Kevin, thank you, my brother, appreciate that. Really, thank you, thank you. Let's hear it for Kevin Manana! Give him all

you've got

for this man! Yeah, thank you, brother. Thank

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