1064 The Facts About Vaccines, Improving Immunity & The Medical Side of Mental Health w/Dr. Roger Seheult

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Now, what is the truth about masks in your opinion? or I guess based on the data.

Yeah, so basically, here's the problem. The problem is that there's two ways that the virus spreads. And here are the two ways. It can spread in large droplets. So if I'm standing in front of you and I speak and spittle comes out of my mouth and lands on you, in that droplet are probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of particles of the virus. And that's a large amount. And if that goes into your mouth or you wipe or you touch, you're gonna get the virus. So what masks do is that they completely eliminate that. That's why the masks don't have to be to the level of being airborne. They don't have to filter out viral particles. They just have to eliminate droplets. But unfortunately, that's not the only way that it spreads. So if you can imagine being in a room and somebody's smoking on the other side of that room, even if they're wearing a mask and you're wearing a mask, you're going to eventually smell the smoke. because the very tiny little particles of smoke are going to fill up that room eventually because of diffusion. That's another way, an airborne way. That's another way that the virus spreads. Masks aren't gonna help that. That's why you can go, if everybody went to a large meeting and everyone wore masks and it was an enclosed room with no ventilation, COVID's gonna spread like wildfire. And that's why we get these different, like, look here, the masks didn't help. Why are they making us wear masks? It's 'cause there's two different ways. And so the way you take care of that way of the virus spreading is through ventilation. And really, unfortunately, the CDC hasn't gotten onto this until just recently. There was a guy that we had on a researcher from the Harvard School of Public Health, Dr. Joseph Allen, who has been really on this since the very beginning, talking about ventilation, talking about cracking your windows open, talking about if you're in a room, making sure that there's enough turnover of air in the room. And so really, you got to do both of those. and so it, you know, people don't understand that. Unfortunately, politicians don't understand that, you know, here we, we have outdoor dining shutting down. So, so why is that? We don't want people congregating, but it's Outdoors. And so the chances of you getting a virus Outdoors in well-ventilated areas is pretty low. So what do people do instead of having their parties at outside dining? They go home and they have big parties inside of a house. And, and what happens is we get, you know, a lot of people coming down.

It's priced more. So, because I've been hearing that people are wearing the mask all day long, they're still getting it, certain people, right? So it's not only the mask helps, but you can still get the virus.

Well, and here's the case in point. So imagine getting a bunch of people all wearing masks into a long cylinder and keeping them in there for hours on end.

You're talking about when we go on a plane?

Exactly. And we haven't, I mean, there's been some stories, but for the for the by and large, we haven't had massive outbreaks of COVID-19 coming from planes. And why is that? Here it is, is because that air is highly filtered through HEPA filters. 50% of the air coming out of those jets from up above, 50% of that air comes from outside, which ostensibly I would hope has no viral particles. And the other half is coming recirculating from the plane, but it's gone through extensive HEPA filtration. where it completely takes out the virus. And so that is probably the cleanest place that you can possibly be is on a plane. Absolutely.

Even if someone's sitting next to you, one foot away, and they cough.

Yeah. If they're sitting next to you and they've got a mask on, then you should not be getting those large droplets. But here's the problem though, is on a plane, that system is only working when the engines are running. So the most important times to be very careful and not to snack, not to take your mask off, is on.

Before it takes off.

Exactly.

So go get on the plane last.

Exactly.

Give your mouse.

Don't pay to go on the plane first.

I know.

Wow. Yeah.

Sit in the back seat if you have to, to. To go last. Right. Okay. What about nose breathing? I've been doing more research. There's a. Someone we just had on who's studying. the effects of nose breathing and how I'm always getting this wrong. Is it nitric oxide or nitrous? Nitric. Nitric oxide. What comes when you breathe through your nose, it creates nitric oxide in it. And there's been studies. I don't know if you can confirm this, that essentially covid cannot exist in a state of nitric oxide. Is that. Is that true? And what does that do when we.

Breathe through the nose and not through the mouth? Well, you know, I'm not sure that the amount of nitric oxide, you know, in vivo. So here's the word that your viewers should be aware of, in vitro, that's on a lab bench, on a Petri dish, and then in vivo. So we may do studies on in vitro that something, you know, that nitric oxide kills the virus or that zinc kills the virus or that hydroxychloroquine kills the virus.

In a little Petri dish.

In a little Petri dish, right, at a concentration that may never be achievable in the actual human body. and then we move over to the human being and it doesn't work. I haven't seen those studies. I will say this though, that breathing through the nose humidifies the air. And I know that the virus does not like humidity, generally speaking. It does not like humidity. And so that also may play a role. But I mean, this thing about in vitro and in vivo and getting a medication that works and why can't we just get this medication to people? I mean, if I could show you staph aureus or streptococci. I mean, these are bacteria that infect people. I could put staph aureus on a petri dish and I could drop a little disc of methicillin on that petri dish and you would see clearly that there would be this halo around this disc where the bacteria were just decimated. They were just killed instantly. And, I'd be like, well, great, this is amazing. Hey, we got this patient over here with a staph aureus pneumonia. Let's just give him methicillin and he should be fine. Well, as a doctor for the last, you know, 20 years, I've seen case after case and I've gotten to learn and anybody who does this will learn, it's not just me, that something may work really good in the lab, something may work really good on paper, this thing may just decimate staph aureus, but you give that to somebody, you know, maybe there's some other extending circumstance that's causing them not to get better. I mean, the body is a very complex machine. Putting a seatbelt on after the car accident is not going to help the person who's injured, even though it would have prevented it in the first place. And so there's such complexities that I think the public needs to understand that just because there's a lab test or a value that seems to work, it's a whole other thing.

Yeah, applying it to a patient.

Putting it into a patient.

Yeah, exactly. And testing that over and over and dosage and does it affect other, does it impact you in a negative way? by that much, all that stuff. I'm curious about this comorbidities idea. What do you think or what is the research proving and showing is one of the main comorbidities when someone has this, whether it's obesity or diabetes or something else, is also impacting it at a high level that if they decreased that thing, they should have a greater chance of defending themselves and having a stronger immune system for not getting COVID.

It's the chicken and the egg, unfortunately, because we see that stress, oxidative stress causes obesity and then obesity causes oxidative stress. And then when you have a lot of fat, you store a lot of fat soluble things and make it not available. So like vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin. So, so it's hard to tease out exactly what it is, but we do know this. Here are the comorbid things. Here are the things that make people more susceptible to dying from COVID-19. Kidney disease. Kidney disease is a big thing. Number two, diabetes. And so those are very big things. So why would that be? When you get infected with the virus, the virus is binding to this protein called ACE2. ACE2 is part of a huge complex system of enzymes that regulate your oxidative stress. And so imagine you are, imagine that you are obese, imagine that you have kidney disease, diabetes, your body is literally sitting on the edge of a cliff, not literally figuratively sitting on the edge of a cliff. Okay? All right? And it's basically getting by. It's getting by. You're not in any kind of, I mean it's compensating for the system. Now imagine that you completely remove this enzyme, by the way, ACE2, 2 is responsible for cutting down on oxidative stress and increasing proteins that cause reduction, antioxidants essentially. So now you basically pull the mat from under the whole thing, you tip it over the edge, and you can see very clearly how this type of a hit cannot be compensated for. I mean, there's so many different analogies I can use, but the virus basically causes everything to start unraveling. And once things start to unravel, things become compounded and you reach that point of no return. And unfortunately for some of the patients, by the time they reach the hospital, we have already reached the point of no return in a lot of those cases.

No return, meaning death.

Yeah.

And kidney disease and diabetes are two major factors that will increase the likelihood of this. Is that right?

Absolutely. And.

How do we prevent diabetes and kidney disease?

Well, I think a lot of it has to do with diet and activity. These are things that we as a culture, as a society, have placed more emphasis on commercialism, advertising, taste, short-term benefits, and not really the long-term benefits. It's kind of like we've been in class and we've been cramming for quizzes all along and now we're sitting down for the final exam and we got nothing.

That was my whole life in school.

Yeah, I mean, I could talk to you about so many different things. We know, for instance, that high fructose corn syrup is a big inhibitor of vitamin D. We know that. We know that the scientists, when they induce, yeah, when they induce oxidative stress models in their mice, how do they do that? By feeding them high fructose corn syrup. There's one country on this planet that consumes more high fructose corn syrup than any other country, In fact, number two is less than half of that consumption.

Oh my gosh. What is number two? Mexico?

It's some country in Europe, I think. I have to look. I was surprised because Europe is really, really against high fructose corn syrup. If you go to Europe and buy a can of Coca-Cola and see what they use to sweeten the Coca-Cola, it's cane sugar.

It's not corn syrup.

It's not corn syrup.

Man, this is interesting. I'm going to say something very unpopular.

Yeah.

And I want to talk about this for a minute about the, the movement of loving your body for where it's at and loving yourself, no matter how, you know, obese you might become. And I think what I'm hearing you say is diet and exercise and, and taking care of your health is actually preventing this, these things to happen. kidney disease, diabetes, which is also another cause of dying if you contract the virus. How can we, I guess, again, talk about this in a way that gives people the facts that helps them improve their health, the overall quality of their health, but doesn't, you know, hurt their mental health or make them shame themselves for where they're at as well? What would you suggest as a medical professional.

So it's the thing that's absolutely very important and that is realizing that accepting somebody for what they are doesn't mean that you want to keep them the way they are, that you're willing to work with them and move them to a place where they should be. So what's the absolute wrong way to do it is to go into somebody who has a particular diet and say, Here's the diet goal that I want you to be at. I want you to stop your diet right now and I want you to adopt this diet. That's the worst thing that you could possibly do because number one, nobody can do that. Number two, unless you're extremely highly motivated, I'm certainly not that person. And then number two is that if they try to do it and they fail, they're gonna just throw the whole thing out.

And eat more of the bad stuff.

Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I used to eat meat. I used to eat I used to go to the hamburger place in college the same time I was doing that vitamin D research. My girlfriend and I would go and eat out. So what I started to do was I started to find the things in my life that I felt was the most egregious and I say I'm going to focus on one thing and that's the thing I'm going to cut out. So I cut out beef for instance. And you know what was weird is that after not having it for three months, I said, you know what? It's been a long time. Let's just try it. And when I went back to trying it, it just didn't do it for me. It didn't hit the same receptors that I thought it would. And what I realized and what a lot of people have said is that your tastes change after about two or three months. And it's true. You don't think it could happen, but it actually happens. You actually start to like the things that you have changed to.

And you live in a blue zone. Are you vegan or plant-based?

Yes.

So I am plant-based. You say a blue zone, you know.

What that means then, I guess. Yeah, yeah. And you're in because you're in Loma Linda, right? You're in that area. Yeah, correct.

So that's a predominantly plant-based zone in the world. And the thing about Loma Linda that's interesting is you look at the other blue zones like Okinawa, Japan, and these other places. Sardinia. Sardinia, right. These are these other blue zones. as great as they are, they are very homogeneously genetic. These are particular populations that have maybe grown that way culturally. The interesting thing about the Loma Linda Blue Zone is that it's not at all homogenous. It's very heterogeneous. It's not even really a Blue Zone. I mean, if you go to other Adventist centers around the country, like Kettering or Andrews University there in Michigan or PUC up there in Angwin, California. You'll see the same thing. It's the same sort of thing. What's nice about it is that you don't have to be of a certain genetic type to enjoy the Blue Zone. I mean, in Southern California is... the air quality in Southern California is probably second to none in terms of being bad, especially now with the wildfires recently here. but still you're able to get, according to Adventist Health Study 2, men seem to benefit actually more than women in terms of getting seven to 10 years of extra life. And why? It's because of not just diet, it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle. And part of that lifestyle is exercise. And there's been some really interesting emerging data coming out of Canada actually looking at exercise and depression and anxiety, especially in COVID-19. How does depression and anxiety play in.

With weakening your immune system and attracting more coronavirus? And this is not, I'll have to.

Be honest with you, this is not something that I was an expert in until recently. I'm not even an expert in it now. I'm just starting to learn about it. I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not a neurologist. But I can tell you that depression and anxiety are two things that rev each other up. Anxiety causes depression. and anxiety is something that you get when we're in this pandemic. We've been in this pandemic for about a year now. And people are very anxious. They're anxious about getting COVID-19. There's just a recent article that came out that showed that children, a recent study in children that have had distance learning and these sorts of things that anxiety is becoming more and more prevalent, suicides, et cetera.

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And what I found, there was an interesting research article that was published by Dr. Jennifer Heisz out of the FIT Lab in McMaster University in Ontario that I thought was excellent work. She did a randomized controlled trial and she took students right before exams. So, you remember what it was like before exams, right? Six weeks before exams. Yeah, six weeks before exams. They looked at them for six weeks. and all of these students were going to go through exams. Very stressful time in their life. Their careers are dependent on this. This was before COVID and they randomized them to three different tracks. Number one, do nothing. Just keep doing what you're doing. That was the control group. Number two was a low intensity exercise regimen. So they did three times a week. So yeah, they did- They did a.

Walk, a jog, a hike, or In.

This case, they were very specific. They had to do it very scientifically. So they actually did a VO2 max test, which is if you don't know what that is, it's where they put a thing in your mouth, you pedal and they measure. So they made it a very specific percentage of their total max. It turned out to be, you know, getting their heart rate up to about 140 beats per minute for about 20 minutes. And they did it three times a week. And they did it for six weeks, so 18 treatments. Okay. And then the third group was this high intensity group. So heart rate was like 180 beats per minute. Okay. Really high intensity exercise. Again, three times a week for six weeks. And what did they measure? They measured cytokines. So these inflammatory cytokines like IL-6, which has been implicated in COVID-19, they looked at depression scores. So validated depression scores. not just, you know, and they blinded the researchers to which students were getting what. I don't know how they did it, but that's what they did. So they looked at blood tests, they looked at depression scores, they looked at a whole host of things. What did they find? This is what they found. They found, first thing they found that was amazing was in the control group, in the control group, that depression scores at the beginning versus at the end of the six weeks, which ended just at the same time as finals, Depression scores went up dramatically. So first thing that they found was number one, it doesn't take a long time of stress exposure to increase your risk of depression. That was six weeks. We're in it for a full year.

So six weeks in the control group, the depression went up across the board of all three groups?

No, just in the control group.

The control group, meaning the one that didn't do anything.

Didn't do any exercise.

Got it, got it, yep. They went up. More and more stress and anxiety, what's happening? I don't know, finals or COVID, depression increased. And they did no exercise.

Exactly, and that's not exactly what you would expect. You would expect the depression score to be about the same, right? But what that shows is that stress over a period of time increases depression.

Wow, okay.

But in the exercise, medium, moderate, and high intensity group, In the moderate intensity group, depression scores went down, anxiety scores went down, inflammatory marker scores went down in all of those. So in other words, there was no bad trade-off to doing moderate exercise. Now, in the high intensity group, the depression scores went down But not as much as they did in the moderate group. Anxiety levels, they still had actually the same amount of self-reported stress in the high intensity group and interferon levels went actually up in the high intensity group.

So when your body or your mind is under attack emotionally, mentally, uncertainty, it's not good to do no exercise. It's not good to go to destroy your body, it's good to have moderate types of consistent, healthy movement is what I'm hearing you say.

Exactly, exactly. And so, and this is really, really important because with this, this data is not like picked out of being unique. There is a whole cadre of data that has shown this exact thing. It's called the J-curve. The J-curve meaning that you start off here with a normal amount. And then as you start to do more moderate exercise, the risks go down, but as you do more exercise, the risks go up. And so this is a real problem in people like Olympic athletes. They have to be very, very cognizant when they are doing high intensity workouts that they're not getting sick because they're actually more susceptible to getting sick, more susceptible to getting... and imagine the stress that they're under, right? their one shot at Olympic gold is.

Coming up in 16 years. They've been waiting 16 years.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Exactly. And so, athletes and trainers are very well versed in this literature and this information. People like you and me are not. But I think it's very, very important that one of the things that I think would be very beneficial, and I would add it to my list of things that I would recommend people do. Sleep. Sleep, obviously, because I'm a sleep physician. But exercise, and you know what? Exercise improves your ability to sleep.

It does. It does. And it makes you less anxious. When you're moving and you get that anxious energy out of you, out of your body through movement, you feel more relaxed, it increases dopamine, all those different things.

Right, so here's the key point is you don't have to be Wilhuff to get the benefit of hydrotherapy and you don't have to be, you know, Carl Lewis. Exactly. To get the benefit of exercise. And so I think that's the first thing that everyone needs to know. And here's the key is getting that heart rate up. So here's an extra benefit when you're sick and sedentary, you don't have to do that much to get your heart rate up to 147. The more you do it, you know, you might not take walking after a while. You might have to actually jog after you do it. But getting started on that routine, you would be, I mean, I've had patients, not a lot, but I've had those patients come back and tell me, Doc, I followed your advice. I got on a, on a diet and exercise plan. and man, I feel so much better. I mean, it's amazing.

Yeah, I mean, obviously exercise and diet won't automatically cure anxiety and depression necessarily, but it's been proven to show that it decreases depression and anxiety in the population. In the population, yes. So, if you feel overwhelmed, anxious, uncertain, depressed, again, you know, it's not the end all cure, but it could be, but it may not be, but it'll definitely support you in a massive way based on science. The thing that I like to use is this.

Look, when you go into the operating room, one of the things that we don't want you to get is a post-operative infection. So what do we do to make sure that that doesn't happen? The surgeon wears a mask. We make sure that the pressure in the room is under positive pressure so that air is coming out, not air coming in. We also use a solution on your skin to sterilize the skin. Do we do all of those things because we feel that one of those things is not working? We shouldn't. No, it's a multi-pronged approach. So everything that we've been talking about here is not in lieu of social distancing and wearing a mask. It's in addition to all of these things. So I've got the vaccine. Do I still wear a mask wherever I go? Absolutely. It's just another layer of protection. Do I still do all of these things to help? Yeah, because it doesn't just help my immune system, it also helps me in general in terms of health.

Now, can you explain more about the vaccine? And this is, again, gonna be controversial on different sides. We have people that are science-based and love the science, and then we have a certain part of the population that is 100% against vaccines. We've had this conversation with doctors in the past. who, you know, I'll put out information about this and people, you know, want to unfollow and unsubscribe from everything that I've ever done. So based on scientific evidence and what we know so far with this new vaccine that's out there, what is in the vaccine, you know, what is your recommendation? And if people don't want to get the vaccine, do you feel like that's okay as well?

Good question. So the vaccine is like this big umbrella and we will have to talk, I'll probably limit my talk to just the ones that are available because there are going to be so many different types made using different techniques and how they work. The question, well, first of all, the first thing that you have to understand is that nothing in life is without risk. Everything has risk. And the decisions that we make as medical doctors, as providers is what I'm about to do, going to have more risk than benefit or more benefit than risk. And that determines what we do. When you go to the supermarket, you could get in a head on collision. You could get, you know, all of these sorts of things could happen. But you, in your mind, make a mental calculation that getting food from the supermarket has a better benefit than the risk of you getting a head on collision. So you do it. Okay. So in other words, if we find that there are risks with something, it doesn't necessarily mean that we don't do it. We do things all the time in the hospital to patients that have risk. but we believe that we are correct in doing it because the benefit we're going to derive is greater than that risk. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're wrong, but if we do it hundreds of times, sometimes you're going to have problems, sometimes you're not. Okay? So that's the first thing. Second thing is the decision to get vaccinated in a pandemic is not a decision to get vaccinated versus nothing. It's to get vaccinated versus getting the infection. that's the decision that you have to make. And so when you look at the risks of getting vaccinated, for instance, what is the long-term effects of getting the vaccine? We don't really know the long-term effects because it hasn't been a long time since we've gotten the vaccine. But if you look at other vaccines that we've done in the past, we can see that most of the long-term effects that have occurred on those vaccines usually pop up within the first two to three months. and so we can kind of get a sense about what the long-term side effects are going to be. Now, let's look at the virus. We don't know the long-term implications of being infected with coronavirus. Do people get diseases after viruses? Absolutely. Can people get post-viral complications? Absolutely. People can get myocarditis, Guillain-Barre. This is a condition where you basically you can't move. and you need to go on a ventilator just by getting the infection. There's a recent study that showed that over half of normal asymptomatic athletes still had signs of myocarditis, that's inflammation of the heart tissue, after either a mild or asymptomatic bout of COVID-19. Okay? So you've got to do this understanding really what your choices are. In both cases, the vaccine and the virus, what happens is a particle infects one of your cells, it releases a messenger RNA, which is an information packet that tells your cell what kind of protein to make. In the case of the virus, the ribosome, which is part of the cell, is going to make more viral particles. And those viral particles are going to spread to other cells and make more viral particles. and that's exactly what's happening in the first phase of COVID-19. In the case of the vaccine, the vaccine is much more attenuated. It's just a little component, a little information packet on just the protein. It's just making a little portion of the protein, the spike protein. And so your cell, when this information packet goes in, the cell is going to make a lot of these proteins and put them on the surface and maybe present them outside. so that your immune system can kind of look at what's coming down the pike potentially and be ready for it with antibodies. So when that virus really comes in, the antibodies can cover it, can prevent it from spreading, and you can basically suppress the infection. And apparently, according to the studies, it's 95% effective at doing that. This messenger RNA is like a sticky note. It's like a you know, those 3M yellow sticky things you can put on. Yeah, yeah. So, I think it like your DNA is like your social security card. You don't laminate it, you put it in your filing cabinet, you never take it out. That number can do a lot of good things. You can apply for a loan, you pay your taxes with it. If you're like, you know, I have my number memorized. Some people don't. But if you ever had to use it, you would take it out, you'd look at it, you'd write it down on a sticky note, you put it down, you put the security card back because it's very important and then you'd use that sticky note and then after you're done with it, you'd rip it up and you'd throw it away. The messenger RNA is the sticky note. Okay? It's there one day, it's gone the next. Messenger RNA doesn't stick around, it doesn't last. No, no, it's there, that messenger RNA is telling the cell, I want you to make this protein now. And then it goes away. Right, you don't want the cells to be making that protein for the rest of their lives. You want the protein to be made when it needs to be made. and that's why it's so important that these proteins that go into the nucleus to tell what type of messenger RNA needs to be made have to be turned on and turned off. That's what vitamin D, as we discussed, does in many different senses. But the messenger RNA is there when you want the protein. It's gone when you don't want the protein. So the cell has a way of breaking down this messenger RNA so it doesn't exist. In fact, the scientists have to go above and beyond to try to keep this messenger RNA intact long enough to get it into the cell so that it can actually make the protein. Because after a day or so, it gets degraded and it gets broken down. So the DNA is like the Social Security card. The RNA is like the little sticky.

Note that you write and it gets thrown away. Now, I've talked about this on my show before. Most of my audience, if they've been listening for a while, know this. I grew up as a Christian scientist where we, we never took medicine. My dad didn't believe in medicine. We believed in healing through the mind and thought. And I never had vaccines. I never had a shot until I was 24, 25, when I went to another country where I needed to have a shot to just get into the country. I got the measles. I had that in the 90s when there was an outbreak. And I remember getting sick a couple of times, but nothing really as bad as the measles. But eventually I was fine. I was still alive. I'm here, I'm semi-normal, I function. and I never had vaccines growing up necessarily, right? So I'm curious. And there was flus and the pandemic in 1912 and all these other diseases that have come since then. So do people need vaccines, you know, to. To survive, to thrive, to be healthy in today's world? Should kids be getting the vaccine? Or, you know, can we still survive and live our lives without it?

You know, sometimes we take things for granted when we don't have them. What kind of a quality of life would you like to have is the question. The fact that we don't have polio today, the fact that we don't have to worry about smallpox today, those are direct consequences of our ancestors in this country and around the world realizing that if they took this vaccine, we could eliminate those diseases. And we've effectively done that. When we in this country started to say that a vaccine choice for me, what's the stuff that goes into the integration of making a choice about whether or not I get the vaccine? And for some people it's been, hey, if you don't want your daughter to get HPV, basically cervical cancer, then get this vaccine. If you don't want your son who's going away to college, to get meningitis, get this vaccine. And that's how, honestly, that's how the pharmaceutical companies have marketed these vaccines, is this vaccine is going to help you. What we've completely forgotten, I think, is how vaccines help us, us as individuals. So we got, all of us have gotten the benefits because our ancestors maybe our grandparents got the polio vaccine and the smallpox vaccine.

They didn't spread it. They didn't spread it, yeah.

It's eliminated. It's gone. It's not even, it's not really even a risk at this point, right?

Because they got vaccinated. And so since they didn't spread it and kill more people, we don't have it anymore.

And it got eliminated. It's because everybody's so it's kind of gestalt, right? Gestalt by definition, is when the sum of the parts are greater than all of the sum of the parts, right? The greater is greater than some of the parts. So yes, there is a benefit to the recipient of the vaccine, but there is something bigger. There is something bigger in the, that we all get as a derived benefit when everybody gets the vaccine, and that is the elimination of the disease or the near elimination of the disease.

What are the negative effects, potential negative effects? Obviously we haven't had enough time to really test this, But what could be the negative effects of taking the vaccine? What could that do potentially to the body? So, yeah, I'm not gonna tell you.

That this is a panacea. There are, first of all, there are common reactions that can occur when you get the vaccine. So this basically is your immune system. Your immune system is revving up. You're gonna feel bad when your interferon levels go up.

You're gonna feel sick for a few days.

You're gonna feel sick. And that's not, it's the same thing what happens when you work out. You wanna be a muscle man? you want to look fit, what happens after you work out? Do you feel great or do you.

Feel... Well, you feel pumped but then you're sore, you're recovering, you can't walk, yeah.

Yeah, and so this is the natural consequence of doing something that eventually is going to be good for your body in that sense. But there are some adverse reactions that have nothing to do with that. So allergic reactions is a possibility. But hey, if we had people out distributing peanuts, we would have allergic reactions and that's a perfectly natural substance, right? There are some, there is some evidence that on certain vaccines in the past that people have gotten diseases that we would never have wanted them to get. For instance, there's the flu vaccine that was given in Europe back around 2009-2010 that caused a rash of narcolepsy. And it's probably because there was an autoimmune response against the vaccine that cross-reacted and started to destroy parts of the patient. But that's on the vaccine side. Does that mean that's not gonna happen if you get infected with coronavirus? People say, hey, look, there's a 99% chance that I'm gonna survive infection with coronavirus. Why would I take a vaccine if I've got a 99% chance? Yeah. Right? So the thing is, number one, is that's kind of black and white. That's like living versus dying. And who's to say that in that 99% you're not going to have disease, you're not going to be living up, I mean you're going to have people these long haulers, let's talk about the long haulers. People who have these, I get questions all the time now, hey, I had coronavirus three months ago, I'm still having burning, I'm still having chest pain, I'm still having all of these things and what do we do with that? You know, people get clots from coronavirus, people it's not unheard of people coming to the hospital to get discharged and then a week later they're coming coating because they've got a massive blood clot. So it's not like this is a cold virus, you're just gonna get over it and no problem and you're not gonna have an issue. So yeah, do we know the long-term side effects of the vaccine? No, we don't until we have a long time. But we don't know the long-term side effects of the virus either.

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And at least preliminarily, there may be some issues. The other thing I was going to mention to you, because you sort of made me think about it, was this thing about faith. And I know there's a lot of people, you know, so there's two ways of looking at the vaccine. Does for an individual does the benefit outweigh the risks? And that may be different if somebody has horrible allergic reactions and anaphylaxis, I would say do not get the vaccine because you're at high risk for getting another allergic reaction. But that's a medical risk benefit ratio. There are some people that believe that it would be a denial of their faith that God is going to protect them if they went ahead and got the vaccine. And I would just say, because I've wrestled with that as well, I would just say there is a very, very fine line between presumption and faith. And that's something that each one of us has to work out together. But to think that there is no such thing as presumption, what do I mean by that? I mean to put it in terms religious or spiritual terms. So you remember the story about when Satan tempted Christ. One of those temptations was when he took him up to the top of the temple and said, hey, look, it says in Psalms 91 here that, you know, he's going to bury you up in your hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone. Why don't you just go ahead and jump off the temple? He's gonna, he's gonna save you anyway. That would have been presumption on, on, on Christ's part. He said, he said this to Satan. He said, I rebuke you, you know, it also said, thou shall not put the Lord thy God to the test. And so the question is, are we jumping off the temple when we have a vaccine available to us that could actually take care of not only ourselves, but also people around us? Yeah. And so that's a real question that people have to look at.

Yeah, we got to make those decisions. And unfortunately, those are challenging decisions for some people. And some people will say, well, let's just focus on getting herd immunity. You know, let's destroy this thing by, I guess, everyone beating it through herd immunity. What do you say to that?

I don't have a problem with herd immunity. I think we need to get there. The problem that we have is that we only have 900,000 acute care beds in the United States and we have 300 million people. And so even if 1% of the people in this country die from coronavirus or go on their way, I mean, probably ostensibly a lot more than that need to be hospitalized. We just don't have the acute care beds to take care of everybody at once. And this virus rips through people quickly. Some people last on ventilators weeks. And so if this virus has an incubation period of five days and we just let everybody get the virus, there's gonna be so many people at the hospital, there already is, that we're not gonna be able to take care of the rest of the 99 who are gonna be fine, but let's say they get in a car accident. or let's say they break their heel or their foot or ankle or they have a heart attack. We can't take care of those people. And so right now, for instance, in Southern California, we have literally, we have made beds, ICU beds just to take care of the extra people.

Really?

Yeah.

I'm curious your thought. I want to talk about kids again for a second because obviously there's a lot of parents who are not sure about what's proper information, what should I do with my kids, all these things. Should kids at a certain age be getting this vaccine? Is that more dangerous to have young kids getting vaccines? And also, what's your thoughts on in general, on protecting and trying to have your kids so perfectly clean and never touched by anyone and always rub down with wipes in your face and sanitized life bubble versus allowing kids to be exposed to as much potential diversified organisms to build their immune system. What's your scientific thoughts on that?

Okay, so let's, that's, there's so many things that just popped into my head. So let's, let's talk about the vaccine. So the vaccine is approved down to the age of 16 years of age right now. So anybody over the age of 16 or above can get it. I think that's a reasonable thing to do. I would say that the reason for children or kids or young people to get the vaccine, although I have seen people in their 30s in the hospital, I have seen that, it's more for herd immunity at that point. Because it's those children or those individuals that are gonna go to grandma and grandpa and spread it potentially. So to the degree that we have data now that shows that asymptomatic spread can be prevented by getting the vaccine. We do have some data on that, about 67% in the Moderna vaccine, for instance. That would be helpful. I don't believe that a vaccine in a 16 year old is going to do much in terms of preventing them from having hospitalization, because they're not getting hospitalized right now. They're actually doing fine.

So they're getting COVID, but they're just like no symptoms or very little. It's like, I lost my taste, but I'm fine.

Yeah. And why is that? It's because young people have great innate immune systems. Innate immune systems in children are very strong. I mean, any little virus and what do they do? They get a fever. I mean, most pediatric visits are for fevers. And that's because kids have great innate immune systems. And that's what we ought to be doing with adults is trying to figure out how to improve their innate immune system. Now, if you're going less than 16 years of age, in that situation, you know, we need more data. and right now we don't have that data they're looking at doing that. They're actually doing the studies at this point, but even more so for the young kids, right? Because they're not, while there are some risks of getting post infectious complications, like we saw this thing earlier last year about Kawasaki disease type of thing, post infectious type of things, it would be good. But I think the primary protection that we're getting there is preventing the spread to those that are going to be ending up in the hospital. That's why the vaccination schedule that you're seeing the 1A, 1B, 1C, 2, 3, et cetera, is starting out with these very critically elderly patients who are in nursing homes, for instance, who are the most susceptible to getting the disease. And probably the last people that'll be getting this vaccine will be those less than 16. And.

Do you think parents should be protecting their kids and being the cleanest and or should we be exposing our children in general to Touching dirt, touching walls, licking everything. What should we be thinking about?

Yeah, they're gonna do that. I think you probably should let them do that. There's actually good data. This goes back 10 years that in parents who do this type of thing where they protect their kids from antigen exposure early on, they have a higher incidence of asthma and atopic diseases.

Really?

Well, no. Oh, yeah. it's well known that in the maturity of the immune system, the immune system has to understand self from non-self, otherwise you're going to get autoimmune conditions. And when you do that, when you expose them to these antigens, for some reason it appears as though the immune system is better educated at not attacking itself when you do that. And so, you know, I don't know.

I.

Grew up in that era where we were latchkey kids. I came home, I had a key, I opened the door, you know, I made my breakfast, I studied, you know, we didn't have helicopter parents taking us to these things. I don't know what kind of upbringing you had or if that's true.

Yeah, I was like, go outside and just do whatever.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

That's powerful. Anything else we should be asking ourselves or no as I wrap up with the final few questions? And, I would love to have you come back on at some point and talk about sleep and all these other things that I think are extremely important for us. But, any other questions around this you think we should talk about?

In terms of the vaccine?

Yeah, in terms of boosting the immune system, in terms of anxiety and depression and mental health around this, in terms of some of the things we've talked about.

No, I think there's plenty on that plate. I know that you've been talking to some of the interviews that I've seen about fasting. I think that actually has a role to play as well.

Really?

Oh, yeah. There's very good data out of USC. He's probably talked to you more about this data than I have, but there's plenty of data that intermittent fasting rebuilds the immune system.

Yes.

It's quite, quite, the other thing that I was gonna mention too is, and this gets a little bit more, kind of weird at first when I first started to learn about it, but there's a lot of research, especially out of Japan, that looks at something called forest bathing. Have you heard of that before?

I've heard of this, but do you mean just being in trees and hugging trees?

You don't need to hug them, no. Just walking outside in a forest there are aromatic compounds or phytoicides, they're called, that have been shown to improve immunity. One of the ones that has actually been studied probably the most is eucalyptus. So, you know, at first my wife was sort of getting into these essential oils. I thought she was crazy.

We live in LA, right?

Yeah, exactly. But you know what? There's actually some science behind it. Do you know, for instance, that back in 1918 during the flu pandemic, that eucalyptus was a major export of Australia? In fact, they almost chopped the trees to extinction, it seems, because eucalyptus was well known even at that time to have medicinal properties. It's the main ingredient in Vicks VapoRub, believe it or not. But there's actual data, and this was data that I looked at not for COVID-19. but for chemotherapeutic agents, there was a group that looked at what could they do to boost the immune system of patients that were on chemotherapy, because people on chemotherapy are susceptible to all sorts of infections. And the sentinel members that are out there to make sure that infection doesn't happen again is the innate immune system. Well, they this was in a again, in vitro study where they took cells and incubated them in a very low concentration of eucalyptus. And it had the same effect as basically a bacterial antigen, how it activated the system, turned on, increased something called phagocytotic activity. This is where these cells go out, find something that's not self and eats it. And I was just really impressed with how something like that could improve the innate immune system. The studies out of Japan looked at these people living in Tokyo and they took them up for just a few days into the forest and they tested actually something called the Hinoki Cypress tree. So they used Hinoki Cypress oil. And the effects on the immune system were not only significant, but they lasted for about seven days. So it's not something that you have to do every single day.

So they tested them, their immune system before and after. How did they test this?

So they looked at something called, they looked at cytokines. They also looked at natural killer cells. natural killer cell activity. And then they looked at the little bubbles inside the cells that have the enzymes that degrade and kill bacteria, granzymes, things of that nature. And they noticed that in all of these counts, the natural killer cell activity, the amount of enzymes, everything was increased when they were just basically walking through the forest.

Walking the forest.

A couple of hours. Yeah.

A couple of hours once a day or once in the week.

Well, in this particular one, they did it for two or three days and they walked for about two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon. And then after they were done, they went back and measured it again seven days later and they still had elevations even seven days later.

So walking in the woods a couple hours a day for a few days will increase your immune system based on science.

Absolutely.

That's crazy. I mean, people say, yeah, just be in nature and you'll feel better and your depression and anxiety will go down. But I'm hearing you say that you're, why does your immune system boost? Is that because the, the, what you're breathing in, is it because you're walking? Is it, you know?

No, so they did, so here's what happened. They asked the same question that you just did. And so what they did was they took the Honoki Cypress oil and they diffused it in a hotel room in downtown Tokyo. So basically they tried to simulate the exactly the same thing.

In a room, yeah.

In the room. And they found everything was exactly the same except for one thing. And that one thing was, is that urinary cortisol levels were not as low as they were in the forest. So in other words, the stress level, they knew that they were still in downtown Tokyo, the phyto sites from the trees were still having the effect on the immune system, but they were still not in nature and enjoying nature. And we know, we don't have to get into this, but cortisol levels have everything to do with immunity and how that affects your immunity. So it's multiple benefits. That's the other thing that we tend to do.

We try to hack.

Exile hack.

Let's do these glasses.

Let's do these.

Creams or whatever.

And how do we know that this stuff isn't put together in a way that it actually helps us in a way that couldn't happen if it was just individual? To give you a quick example, they noticed epidemiologically that lung cancer patients did better if they had diets high in vitamin E and vitamin A. So what they did was they extracted those, they fed to lung cancer patients high doses of vitamin E and vitamin A, and what did they find? that it actually accelerated their death. So here's the point, is maybe it's the way the vitamin E and the vitamin A is packaged in nature that helps those people get it. And maybe we don't need to extract it and isolate it from how it's coming. You know what I'm saying?

Sure, sure.

So maybe those phytoceintS in nature are packaged in a way that we just as human beings need to get there and experience that.

So what I'm hearing you say is that You could take this eucalyptus, you know, sense or oils and you could put it in a more manufactured arena like your room or something and it might have some benefits but it's not going to have the total benefits as if you were in the nature.

No, so I'll actually fill you in on something there. Back in 1918 and 1919, when they were doing the hot foot baths and they were doing the fomentations that we talked about, they would put eucalyptus leaves in the hot foot bath. The oil from the leaves would dissolve and absorb into the skin. You can also rub it in a carrier oil like olive oil and put it on your skin and the aroma you can breathe in, like your mom used to do when you were growing up. She put Vicks on, right?

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

Now, is this a particular forest or just in nature in general, you think?

So, they're finding this, there's all sorts of these compounds in trees like the fIr, like the cypress, like the cedar tree. This is not, it's not like you got to go out and find a particular tree we find. It seems as though that this has an effect in a number of different trees. The ones that we've studied the most is eucalyptus. And so fortunately, eucalyptus is endemic here in Southern California, obviously in Australia, but it's not hard to get eucalyptus oil. But I would caution eucalyptus oil is very, very potent.

It's very strong.

It should not be ingested. There's been some some side effects when people ingest eucalyptus as well.

And I've got a final a couple of final questions here, but one is about new mutations of COVID impact on the vaccine testing and treatments. If, you know, you get the vaccine and then there's a new mutation, will we need multiple vaccines? How will that impact those strands, those new strands, I guess.

Yeah, very good question. So the four variants that we're looking at right now is the UK variant, which we found out first. There is a South African variant, there's a Brazilian variant, and then of course there's a variant here in the United States out of San Jose. And so what we know as of today, we know that there is data that was just published yesterday that showed that the UK variant is going to be just fine. in terms of the coverage that we have with the current vaccine.

Okay.

So that's good news. And, and that's despite mutations in the spike protein. We don't yet have that data for the South African or the Brazilian or the United States variant, but they are working on that currently. As it turns out, if, if those are go the way as the UK variant, we will not need to have a new vaccine. But if there is, if there's something called an escape mutation where, where the vaccine, where the virus is able to escape. the immunity put on by the human body. Here's the silver lining there a little bit is that all they would have to do is change the sequence of the messenger RNA in the vaccine that they're already giving to reflect the new structure of the spike protein. And so it would not take very long for that new vaccine to be developed.

Gotcha.

The other thing I was gonna mention real quickly is that your immune system is so smart that it also, the cells that make the antibodies against that virus also have in it a slight mutation to anticipate, believe it or not, to anticipate that type of a mutation.

That's crazy. The human body is fascinating.

Yes.

This has been probably one of the most informative interviews I've done on this topic, definitely, and I'm just very grateful for your consistent research, testing, understanding and access to this information to be able to share this with us. I know you're in the hospital on a weekly basis treating people. I know you're constantly doing research and I know you're educating people over at medcram.com with incredible data, information that is extremely helpful for people to understand this on the science, on the medical side of things. and the practical tips you give as well. So I just want to acknowledge you, Dr. Schuelke, for showing up in a big way for people and putting yourself out there and educating us with content, with videos so that people can be more informed and hopefully make better decisions for what's right for them and their families, for their health. And again, I acknowledge you for doing it in an understandable way where you can break down the data and science but then also Give some good stories and analogies so that common people like myself can understand what you're talking about. I want people to follow you over on social media, you're everywhere. MedCram videos, Twitter, MedCram on Instagram, Facebook and MedCram, C-R-A-M dot com. Lots of incredible videos over there. We'll have it linked up in the show notes. Where else can we go to connect with you or support you?

Well, that's it. You've just mentioned those. Just Yeah, thank you very much for inviting me on, Louis. It's been amazing. But yeah, follow us on Twitter and also on the YouTube channel, MedCram.

Yeah, your YouTube is great. You've got some amazing videos and I'm sure they'll be linked up here as well.

And I'd also say too, it's not just me on MedCram. We also get experts in the field. We recently had Shane Crotty, who's an expert virologist immunologist down there at the La Jolla and recently Dr. Joseph Allen at the Harvard School of Public Health. So we try to get experts in the field to talk and explain.

Amazing. Yeah, I want everyone to check this stuff out because I think we're going to need more of this information over the next year and beyond as things evolve in this virus. I'm going to ask you a question I asked everyone at the end of my episodes. It's called the three truths question. It's a hypothetical question.

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I would say that whenever someone comes to you with something new It's good to be skeptical and not be driven by every wind of saying. But at the same time, at the same time that you're doing that, leave part of your mind open to the possibility that it can be true of what they're saying and investigate it for yourself. Don't believe anybody. Be skeptical, but investigate it because it could be the truth. The reason why I say that is because we live in a world of information. and it's no longer a question about whether or not the truth is out there or whether we have to search for the truth or find the truth. The truth is there. The problem is expressing it and getting people to believe it because there are so many alternative motives that people suspect other people of having that to be open-minded and to find it.

That's number one.

Okay, that was number one.

Number two, your second second truth.

Number two, I would say that, you know, I guess I'm informed by my upbringing and by my spirituality. And so I believe that good doesn't come from within, good comes from above. And what I try to do on a daily basis is simply reflect that as much as I can. So that means every day polishing the mirror as best as I can because You know, people will say, Hey, you did a great job. You're so this, you're so that, you're so the other. I'm like, you don't know who you're talking to. Do you know who you're talking to here? This is just me. And so I've noticed that if you try to grasp at wealth, riches, money, all that sort of stuff, it's like ropes of sand. As you try to grab for it, it's hard to find. The other third thing I would say is, Don't be afraid to think big. Don't be afraid to explore your mind. There's so many things that I love to get involved with. And, you know, medicine is just one dimension of my life. I love music. I love all of these things. And one of the, I guess if someone were to say to me, that was truly, you know, somebody like this, I would want to be known as a renaissance man. Yeah.

Me and you both.

Yeah. Somebody who is good at a lot of different things. And, and investigated things and try to put things together. One of the things that I really find interesting is the grand unifying theory of life, trying to put it all together.

Yeah. Have you read the book Range?

No, I have not.

David Epstein, you should check that out, Range, talking about in a world of specialists, people specializing, we should really be expanding our range and the benefits of being really good at many different things and how it'll impact the overall quality of your life and decision making and relationships, etc. So it might be an interesting book for you to check out called Range. Those are three powerful truths. I want to have you back on. If people want Dr. Schuett back on, then in the YouTube comments below, leave a hashtag greatness or let us know if you want him to come back on. I think it'd be amazing. and talking about sleep and more things about the immune system and how we can really improve the overall quality of our life based on science and the medical research that you've been doing. And my final question for you is, what is your definition of greatness?

Definition of greatness would have to be, huh, that's a good question. I think it would go along with my second point, somebody that reflects and doesn't get in the way, somebody that can reflect greatness. and doesn't get in the way. That's the definition of greatness. And, that's what I try to do, is try to get out of the way. Yeah.

Well, Dr. Schwell, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate it. Thank you again so much for listening to this episode. I did not want to stop. And, if you didn't listen to part one yet, make sure to go to listen to part one@lewishouse.com/1063 or just go on Apple Podcast and check out the previous you'll see it right there. It's a game changer and I really love the research, the science behind a lot of the things that Dr. Schwell is sharing. Again, make sure you do your own research. Make sure to dive in and check peer reviewed articles. Make sure to check out the facts of everything before you take action on anything for your personal life. My goal is to find the brightest minds in the world, the people that are applying these things, learning on the ground and share it with you. That's my mission to find great people. And he's got some amazing videos over on his website at medcram.com as well. So make sure you check that out because some great content that just kind of breaks everything down and makes things more easy to understand. So hope you enjoy that. And if this is your first time here, please click that subscribe button right now over on Apple Podcasts as well as leave us a rating and review. Every time we get a new subscriber and a new rating or a review, it actually spreads the message of greatness to help more people in the world on that platform. So every time you subscribe or leave a rating and review or share this with a friend, you're helping spread the message of improvement of growth for someone else in their life. And if you want inspirational messages from me sent to your phone every single week, then make sure to text me the word podcast right now to 614-350-3960. Again, text me right right now, 614-350-3960. And I'll leave you with this. The most important thing that I've been thinking about over the last year is how grateful I am for my health. And getting to a destination of your health, it's never going to happen. This is a constant journey, a daily process of a lifestyle that you need to start living in. If you feel like you're out of whack in your health in some way, or you're out of shape, or your diet is off, or you're seeing some symptoms come out, make sure you're asking yourself, am I eating Whole Foods? Am I eating healthy Whole Foods? Am I moving my body? Am I getting enough sleep? Am I getting some sunshine on a daily basis? Am I in nature? Am I taking some time for myself? Ask yourself these questions and make sure your lifestyle is set up in a way so you can incorporate some of these things in your daily routine so it becomes a part of your lifestyle, not something you do once in a while. And I want to remind you, if no one has I've told you lately, you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. And I'm so grateful for your time today. I hope you found value out of this message. And as always, you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.

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