719 LeAnn Rimes on Music, Meditation, and Mindfulness

This is episode number 719 with the incredible LeAnn Rimes. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now, let the class begin. Oprah Winfrey said, turn your wounds into wisdom. I hope you're having an amazing day today. And no matter what challenge, adversity or difficulty you've been through, you always have an opportunity to heal and overcome it. And you have an opportunity to share your story with others. And today we're going to dive into that. But if you guys don't know who our guest is, she is amazing. Leann Rimes is a powerful singer, songwriter, actress, and author. She rose to stardom at age 13 following the release of her version of the Bill Mac song Blue, becoming the youngest country Music star since 1972. She has won so many awards, including two Grammys, three ACMs, a CMA, 12 Billboard Music Awards, and one American Music Awards. She sold over 37 million records worldwide with about 20 plus million album sales in the United States. And Billboard ranked her the 17th artist of the 1990-2000 decade. And she's also written a number of books. And her hit song how Do I Live was ranked as the most successful song of the 1990s by Billboard magazine. That's right. You can try to resist try to hide from my kiss but you know, but you know that you can't fight the moonlight deep. All right, I will stop singing for the moment, but man, she is an incredible talent and I'm so excited that she's on here. We dive into a lot of things in this episode that goes pretty deep, but also, I think, shares a lot and reveals a lot about how to overcome these different adversities. And when you're faced with something at such a young age, like Leanne was faced with how she came out on the other side in such a powerful way. We talk about how she was able to have a successful career from the very beginning all the way to this part of her life. Also, how to keep your ego from getting the best of you. We talk about the power of self awareness to reach your goals and how important it is to surround yourself with the right people. And we learned some of these incredible routines that Leanne practices to love herself and her body through meditation. And she shares a mantra that she'll actually sing with us and for us. At one point so be aware of that because it's a very powerful moment and she's never done it publicly, so you gotta give her some good feedback on that. Very excited about this guys. Make sure to share it with your friends. Lewishouse.com 719 make sure to tag Leanne Rimes on Instagram. She's over there a lot, so tag her while you're listening and let her know what you enjoyed most about this.

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Again, a big thank you to our sponsors and I'm so excited about our guest today. Again, she's someone that I've been connecting with over the last couple of years and finally had a chance to interview after a few times of meeting and really just diving into the greatest life lessons that she's learned and I wanted to bring you those life lessons today. So again, share this with your friends, tag iannrymes over on Instagram and let your friends know all about this. So without further ado, let me introduce to you the one, the only leann Rimes.

Welcome everyone, back to the school of Greatest podcast. We have the lovely leann Rimes in the house. Good to see you.

Nice to see you too. I'm so happy I'm here.

I'm so grateful. We've been working on this for like almost two years.

I know, it has been crazy. First off, I was like, who is this dude? And then I've totally fell in with you and what you do.

Thank you.

And then we met for lunch, which was so great. And it's just good to get to know you.

Yeah, it's been great.

You're good people.

Thank you.

I appreciate it. Anything you need, I got your bag.

Thank you.

You're constantly traveling and touring and you're in Vancouver, you're in la, you're doing movies, you're doing music, all that stuff. So you're a busy individual and you've had a busy life.

I've had a busy life, yeah.

When you were 12, 13, you kind of came on the scene.

Yeah.

And became like a superstar in the country music world. Billboard top charts, you know, all these different awards in your teens.

Yeah.

I think I read over 30 something, 37 million records worldwide sold, Something like that.

Haven't caught up with it.

Billboard ranked top 17 artists of the decade from 1990 to 2000. I mean, you just done. Did you read that one?

Didn't know that.

It's pretty cool, huh? Yeah. So, so many things that you've created, but we were just talking about this before, is that there's also been a lot of struggles you've faced in the last 20 plus years of your shiny career.

Right. Yeah.

What would you say has been the biggest challenge you've had to overcome in the last 20 years? While everyone is praising you and all this success and millions of records and top artists in the world, but what's been the biggest challenge?

Well, the first thing that comes to mind since, I mean, I can be really honest here. My ego. And because I started so young, I mean, an ego, first off is we all have to have it to live and be human. But there's a healthy way of being in that and also a very unhealthy way. And I guess when I talk about it, I started so young that. And I'm in a business where I have to care how much what people think and, you know, how many people are buying my albums and how many are coming to the shows and the whole deal. So it's a very people pleasing kind of way of being. And especially when you start that Young. That's all I knew. So having to. And I still do this daily, it's like having to disengage with. Trying to please everyone and be everything to everyone and make everybody happy. It's like, what ultimately, like, do I want? Like, how. What do I feel? And I started so young that I naturally had that. Like, I naturally knew what I wanted. And my first song that I recorded, I was 11, that actually ended up coming out when I was 13. But at 11, you're still so creative, and there's, like, no boundaries, and you're just creating from your heart. And I had that. This just magic about me at that age. And then you start to lose that when so many people get in your ear, and then you're trying to keep up with the success that you've had. And there's so many levels to it. So I guess when I talk about ego, it's really from that space of having to allow, like, the leann Rimes that was created to kind of fall away, to figure out who, like, the real Leann Rimes is, to continue to move forward.

Wow.

Do you feel like you had to kind of destroy yourself at one point totally, to then say, okay, everyone's built this up, this image of you.

Yeah. And you do it. I did it. So, like, I was so unconscious of the fact that I was doing it. That you were destroying yourself, that I was destroying it. I needed to, Like, I really needed to figure out who I was without all the hoopla around me and what people's expectations. And it. It was a. I did it just enough. I did it just enough. So I still. I mean, I've always. I've had a great career, and I've had so many fantastic fans. I've been in this business for so long, people still care. Like, it's kind of crazy. Most people don't have that. And. But I did it enough so I could. I don't know, so I could find. Well, I found my humanity again. Like, there was just this piece of me that never got to be human. You know, there was somebody who put you up on a pedestal from the time you were a kid, and it's.

Like, you can't do anything right.

Don't fall. So I guess, I mean, in a way, it was kind of inevitable that something like that was gonna happen.

Did you feel like you were unconsciously sabotaging things, like, in your early 20s, or you just, like, started sabotaging a lot of things?

I just started doing it out of shared rebellion in a way. But it wasn't a bad thing, I don't think, necessarily. Like, I needed to find all of these pieces of me that I felt had been fragmented and kind of pushed to the side to be LeAnn Grimes, you know? So the journey of it all was really inevitable. And I honestly. I think my greatest accomplishment is that I'm still alive and I'm still standing.

Really?

Yeah.

Do you feel like at one point, you almost were gonna die or something?

Well, I. I don't know. I started so young. I never felt like I'd lived past 21 for some reason.

No way.

Yeah. It was, like, a weird thing. And then I didn't think I'd lived past 30. It was, like, always. Now I feel like I'm gonna live forever.

Really long.

Okay.

It's all good. No, but I don't know. I think starting so young, you just, like, had this. I just had this weird feeling about me that I. With all the craziness around me, and I never really had anonymity. It was always, like, everyone was always in my face.

In your business and knew everything about you. Relationships, everything. Yeah.

I mean, there was nothing that could be hidden.

This was pre social media.

This was pre social media, which is crazy to think about. I think about people in my position that started so young, and most of them are not here anymore. And I think that's probably one of the biggest things that I feel like is an accomplishment, is I've actually worked through some really dark days, and I pretty much. There's a rare day where I feel like I don't have myself. But that's very few and far between anymore where I know that it can get really, really dark, and I might be okay.

So, you know, like, okay, I'm going through a lot of stuff right now, but I'm gonna get out on the other side.

Yeah, there is another side, but there.

Was a time where you thought, there's no way out.

Yeah, there was a lot of pain. I mean, I went through, you know, a divorce publicly with my. With my mom and dad. They were 14 when I divorced. We were right in the middle of.

Like, when they divorced or you.

When they divorced, and. Yeah, sorry. When they got a divorce. And then I went through a lawsuit with my dad publicly. And then I went through a lawsuit with my record label. Like, all of these things eventually, like, what I've learned about the body and the nervous system and the whole deal is my nervous system was just, like, on stun all the time. So I was constantly in fight or flight.

So Much adrenaline? Constantly so much. That's not healthy.

No. And only over the past like three years have I really been able to understand that and calm down and like. Yeah.

Really?

And calm down. Yeah. The anxiety and the things that were stored in my body and the pain and then like trauma. The trauma, it's all trauma. And to know that, I think I was afraid to go into it. They always say like the only way out is through. So I knew I had to go through it. But I was so afraid because I'd been avoiding it for like for so long.

When did you start to go through it? The trauma, the pain, the suffering. How old were you then?

Well, I know I was. I mean I was in my early teens when, my mid teens when I started to feel the pain of it all. But I would push it away in every way that I possibly could. I would work, I would work.

Did you ever do drugs or drinking or.

I had my moments of here and there of different things, but it wasn't like I was one of those kids, thank God there was no social media around. I was one of those kids that like I would bring the party to me. We would be in the house, it would be super safe, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

But it was safe in mind. 16 year old mind, like woo. But yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't ever one to like get so dark into that. It was more of emotionally just kind of like disengaging. I closed myself off like big time.

From the world, from friends, from parents, from everything from what age, what ages.

I started definitely around 17.

Gosh.

Yeah. It was just a protection mechanism.

Was it just because everyone was trying to get something from you or they were manipulating you or they were taking advantage or what was the feeling?

It was always like a. I think it was a constant like grabbing, like needing something, feeding off of, you know, who I was and at the time. And you just, I think back then and I just, There was just a lot of pain this kid was going through. Like I see it such a different place now. You can really witness it from a different side. And this kid was in a lot of pain. And so there was, there was definitely a moment where I'm like, if I go into that, like I'm really afraid I'm not coming out of it. When you dive into it, like if I allow that. Yeah. To feel that, I'm just, I'm afraid it's gonna like overtake me and I won't be able to come out of it.

And you were like 17 when that.

Started, or 17, 18. Yeah. I mean, it really kind of culminated, like, when I was 30. I just decided I had actually gone through a lot of. It's a long story, but long story short, I'd gone through a lot of dental surgeries, and I had been put under many times, and I wasn't. I was just not fun. It's not fun. And it starts to mess with all of you. And I hadn't really dealt with the whole nervous system thing, and I hadn't dealt with the trauma in my body. And it just, like, everything just kind of went. And finally I want to check myself in somewhere, like, no one needs to. And I was terrified to do it. I'd never been alone before. There's always someone around me. And after my 30th birthday, I think it was a day after actually, or two days after, I literally checked my cell phone somewhere for 28 days, and I went to deal with trauma and anxiety and depression and all of those things that people are like, oh, she must have gone in for, like, something like eating disorder, drugs, whatever it was. I'm like, no, you don't understand. Like, this is just as serious. Like, anxiety and depression are things that a lot of people deal with. We don't talk about enough. And it is enough at some point to kill you. Yes, to kill you, to harm you.

To cause a heart attack, a stroke or whatever. So you checked yourself into a facility somewhere here in LA or near here. Did someone inspire you to do this? Like a friend of yours who had gone through something that came out on the other side and you saw a transformation?

No. My husband and my friends at the time, they were just super worried about me because they saw I was on a lot of medication at the time, and I was going through just, like I said, being put under a lot. And they were like, look, you need. Can we help you get to help you find some sanity in all of this? And I was more than willing to. So it was just a simple conversation that was had, and I was terrified when I went in. I'm like, I've never been alone with.

Skin without your phone, without this something. Yeah.

And, you know, I was. I just had such great support, and I think that that's when I finally had the right support system in place in my life. It allowed me to kind of just like, surrender into feeling these things.

People aren't gonna take advantage of you or whatever.

Yeah.

Wow.

So what was the greatest lesson you learned? So you were 30 when you went in. What was the greatest lesson you Learned from that 28 day experience.

Oh, wow. I thought I was pretty messed up when I went in. And I realized after I started sifting through everything, I'm like, you know, this is not so abnormal. I was around other people that were going through similar situations, if not worse than I was at the time. And I was like, this is not. I don't feel so alone anymore. And then you realize outside of like the six or seven people that were with you, then you start talking about it publicly. And then you realize how alone you really aren't because everyone starts reaching out.

To you and saying, I feel this way.

Oh, yeah, I've been through it. And that was the beginning of realizing that I could connect through humanity and not just like through this voice of this, like, child that everybody looked up to. There became a different voice that I found.

Do you feel like that was the moment you were able to kind of process all this stuff from childhood and actually start to grow up?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah, totally. Totally. And I still, I still go through my days when I. There's a real line for me where I feel like a woman and where I can tell I'm slipping back into like a child space. Yeah. Awareness is an amazing thing. Self awareness is an incredible, incredible tool that a lot of us just want to run from. I mean, I did for so long.

It's not fun.

Sometimes it's not fun. I've actually made it fun. I've actually, I've started to like, finding out these like, strange, quirky, like odd things about myself. I'm like, oh, so that's what's running me in this situation. Because then it becomes, for me now, it's become like this. I've been, I've become obsessed with like the. How do I not override it and not get rid of it? It's more like, how do I. How do I heal it? I mean, because when we start.

What's it the conversation you have or.

It can be anything. It can be. Yeah. It can be the story that I'm telling myself. It can be the. All of a sudden that something that's completely in my subconscious becomes conscious and I'm like, oh, that's what that is. Like, that's why I'm sabotaging myself in this area or that area. And it becomes. It's interesting to me now. Like, I find it all fascinating that we actually can change that. That's what's so amazing is we actually have the choice to do that. And I know people talk about that all the time. And it sounds so simple and it is and it isn't. But it takes work. It takes work, but it also is as simple as choosing, but then it's deciding. Deciding.

That's it.

Yeah.

What was the. I feel like you have a fascinating mind. I feel like you've been through so much. Again, it's someone at like 12, 13, 18 having that type of acknowledgement and awareness and hype and, you know, all for good reason, but, like, having that at such a young age. I can only imagine what conversations you might be having, both positive and negative. Like, what's in your mind? And I'm curious, what were the stories or the things that your mind told you that supported your journey and what were the conversations that made you suffer? What were both of those? Because both of them.

That's a good question.

Both of them. Because the positive stuff continued to rise and continue to be successful in your career, but the negative stuff probably held you back in certain ways as well.

Oh, yeah.

I'm curious, what are both those conversations that your mind had, whether you were conscious or unconscious about it?

Oh, my God. We could talk about this for hours. So I remember. I'll give you bits and pieces that are popping up in my head. So I remember my dad constantly telling me, like, I could do anything I wanted to do.

That's nice.

Yeah, it was. He was always, you know, you're the best and you're. And I was. I was. I was different than most kids my age. You know, you heard kids sing that were my age. And it was very, very different.

It was very amateur young.

It was very different. And so I believed that this one side of myself was like, the best. And it clearly paid off, I mean, with that belief. But it was also a belief that was kind of bred into me by my dad. It wasn't my own self belief is what I realized. It was outside belief.

Interesting.

And so when my dad and I went through all of our stuff, it was almost like I felt like I couldn't do it without him.

Wow. Because he was the one instilling the belief in you.

Totally.

So you'd kind of divorced your dad?

It sounded like.

Yeah, in a way. In a way, yes. I mean, and to. I didn't have him around in my life like that telling me constantly, like, you can do this. Like, it was. It was an outside, you know, voice.

So did you not have that belief anymore?

No, I take that back. I did have that belief, but it was. It came from an unhealthy place. I think it wasn't like, I believed deep down in myself, I loved myself and I could make a mistake and still have that belief I would go through. I've always been super hard on myself. My dad was. I mean, I have to say my dad instilled some amazing things in me. And also there was a work ethic that I think there's always a fine line. Yeah, there's always a fine line to, to all of those things. But I.

Where did it come from, the outside belief, if it wasn't from your dad, was it like a relationship or a media or.

Oh, outside everything. It was people. If it wasn't my dad, it was like, how many people were interested in what I was doing and my music and the whole deal?

How many records did it say exactly?

It was always numbers and the whole thing. And I'm still on the journey of like, literally finding the inner voice that is kind, that allows me to be human, that makes mistakes, that I think I'm approaching things, like I used to approach my performances from a very perfectionistic kind of place of like, every note had to be right. And I've gone through a journey of knowing that that's there. But now it's like, how do I express and how do I. Like, how do I show up in love and like, how do I show up with my heart open? And when you start, for me, now that I've started coming from a different place, that perfectionistic side of things, like, kind of, it gets softer. Yeah, I'm showing up for different reasons. I'm not showing up to prove myself in any way. Which I think as a kid, like, you're constantly competing. You know, you're competing with outside world, you're competing with the last number of records you sold. And for me now, it's like, I mean, we always say how you're competing with yourself, but it's true. Like, when that finally clicks and you actually embody that, it's the outside. You start here first and the outside starts to come into play. Instead of looking at the outside to validate the inside, the school of greatness.

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What age were you when you started to believe in yourself on the inside and realized like oh I don't need my dad or numbers?

Can I say three years ago? No joke. Like three or four years ago I would start to say that I've I started to realize like so all your.

Twenties you still didn't believe in yourself?

I believed but like there Was always.

You needed other people.

Yeah. They needed the outside validation. And there was always like. I grew up with psoriasis really bad all over my body from the time I was super young. And so that being into play also played into my self esteem insecurities. And then having my face out in front of everyone in the world and knowing that I was always hiding this piece of me. And there was always on your face. It wasn't on my face.

On your back and your stomach.

Everywhere. Like. Yeah.

I dated someone many years ago. Who. She was beautiful and so kind, but she had it all over her chest and her stomach and her back. And it would come and go like every couple of weeks when she would have anxiety and stress. Right. And I just. There's nothing I could do to support her besides be there for her. But it's hard. I can only imagine how hard it is, like having this on your body and still loving yourself and still feeling.

Like I'm beautiful and I'm this. That didn't happen.

And then you just beat yourself up and you cause more stress and create more psoriasis.

Totally.

Right.

It's just such a cyclical thing. But yeah, there was also that that played into it. So I had this one thing that I put so much that was the one thing that could validate me as a human.

Your voice.

Yeah.

Was your identity.

It was everything.

And what happens if you don't have that anymore?

So I've gone through moments in my life where I've lost my voice or had to cancel shows or whatever because of. Because I've lost my voice, you know, and didn't have one. And it was. It is the most terrifying thing now. It's a little different when I do lose my voice. I still go through the stress of it, but I'm like, okay, I'm gonna chill. It's telling me something like, I need to go basically sit down, shut up, go chill out. I've noticed that my voice, when I lose it, it has nothing to do really with like overusing it. It has to do with probably underusing it has to do with me not actually. There's something that's not coming out emotionally. Emotionally.

Wow. Really?

Yeah.

When you lose it.

Yeah, it's definitely emotional thing.

It's like you're holding onto something. You're not saying what you need to say. You're afraid to say something.

Totally.

Wow.

Well. And you growing up in this business, like, you know, I would be told, don't have an opinion about certain things. You don't want to don't state your views politically, don't state your views this way because people won't buy your records. And so from early on, I was like, oh, I have to hide like all of these things, whether it be my skin, my opinion. There's. I mean, there's a lot of layers to that too, of like, how that affects you, especially starting out so young. So I've kind of had to peel away like all of these layers of decades of trauma. Decades of trauma and decades of programming from outside programming. So now I'm reprogramming myself most of the time.

And so this has been the last three year journey.

Yeah, three, four years.

It's been three, four years since you did this 28 day therapy. You know, time that you had for yourself you've been reprogramming. What are the things that you're saying to yourself through this reprogramming? Is there certain things you say, like in the morning or throughout the day or in a moment of doubt, do you flip it and say something else to yourself? How does that work?

Well, I've come to learn that we really operate out of two places. And that is love and fear. And the fear's a lie. And so every time something like this comes up, it's just, I really recognize it as old programming. It's like, oh, that's just that piece that's old. I don't have to believe that anymore. And I also, like, I spend time with myself. I know this sounds crazy, but I literally spend time with myself sometimes, like touching every part of my body and telling it. I love it. Wow, thank you.

I don't think that's crazy. I think that's beautiful.

And feeling it, like actually feeling it. I think that's the one piece that I've learned listening to Joe Dispenza and like all these different people who are fantastic. The one piece that we leave out is the actual, like, body. This somatic experience of the feeling of what we're going through in our mind. All of the, whether it be affirmations or whatever, we're doing meditation. When we can feel that and actually like feel the love that we have for ourselves, it changes everything. I can't always call on it. It's not like we were talking earlier. It's not like I figured it all out. I have a long way to go.

You haven't arrived yet.

Come on, come on. I have a long way to go. I don't think that ever happens. That's been the new piece for me is like, to really wake up. Every morning I wake up and I read somewhere, like, people who wake up and literally stretch and with their arms out into the world, it starts our day in a completely different way. So I started doing that, and I have a meditation practice I usually do for an hour a day.

An hour?

Hour to an hour and a half. Yeah.

Wow.

I try to get it in. Yeah.

That's impressive.

I love it. I've fallen in love with it. It's just my. It becomes my time, I think, when I've. My time has always been given away, and so it's like taking a piece of it back. Yeah.

So you have feeling time where you feel your body and you embrace and love every inch of your body. I think it's a beautiful practice for especially people that are insecure or the people that don't think they're pretty, who are, like, the most beautiful human beings alive.

Totally. And it's amazing how we all see ourselves so opposite of, like, what everyone else. How everyone else sees us. So I was on this biologic drug for my psoriasis for, like, 12 years.

And it would, like a steroid type of drug.

It was not a steroid, but it's. No, it's an injection that I would. Would block certain. Certain things from developing basically certain antibodies. But I. It would lower my immune system, and I accidentally stumbled off of it. I would, like, stretch out for however many weeks I could before I saw something, and then I'd take it. So I realized I was, like, four months off of it, like, well.

And you weren't having anything.

I'm like, let's just see. I was actually in a great mental space. And, you know, now I was. Usually I would freak out, and I'm like, I can't get off of this. I can't do it. And I was just in a place where I'm like, you know what? Just see? And so I've been off of it for about a year. I know it's good.

Oh, yeah.

I like it.

And I'll have places that come up and I'll use, like, topical stuff. But the one thing that I've learned is if I. Whatever arises, whatever it's an emotion or it's psoriasis or it's a few pounds, whatever it is, if I can just sit with it and be like, okay, I see you. You're there. And allow it to be for a moment. And then literally, I will sit with my psoriasis and put my hands on it and be like, I love you. It's Cool. You can hang out for a while if you want. And once you really start meaning that it changes everything. Anxiety. When I get anxiety, I'll literally go, okay, you're here again. How's it going? And just allow it to be for a moment. And it literally within. Within minutes, starts to completely shift. I mean, I'll wake up the next morning after I've done that with my psoriasis, and it'll be gone.

Yeah. As opposed to resisting it. Just allowing and acknowledging it and saying.

It'S trying to tell you some things.

It's okay. Let me be mindful of, like, why am I stressed out? Why am I anxious? Let me sit with it and then let it go and come and go and breathe through it.

Right?

Totally.

When did you start to learn about accepting challenges that you're facing emotionally or physically, and falling in love with them as opposed to rejecting them and the.

Falling in love with them. Once you start shifting that perception. Yeah. You start becoming whole. You start feeling whole, which is so beautiful.

You accept yourself.

All of you.

All of you. And you realize that those are actually. And I know it's so hard to do this when it's popping up in your life, that those are gifts, like, those are true gifts that are leading you down one way or the other, like leading you away from something or leading you towards something. And sometimes our deepest fears and pain and trauma is really. We've experienced it to share. We've experienced it to help people. I mean, we talk about a life of service, and it's. What better way to be of service than to share the darkest moments that you've been through? Because you're so not the only one that's done it. So I actually about. I guess it was probably about four years ago I started working with a breathwork teacher named Ashley Neese, who is incredible. Here in la, or she's in la. Well, she's actually in Oakland now, but she lived here in LA at the time.

This is before the 28th day.

No, this was after. So I'm 36 now, so I checked in when I was 30, so went through a couple years with, like, just still kind of, like, trying to figure out what the hell's going on.

You didn't really have a practice at savior.

No, I didn't. And I was on Instagram and was looking on Cameron Diaz's the Body Book thing, and I found Ashley, and then she started popping up randomly. Thank God for, like, the Instagram. Yeah, exactly. The algorithm. It threw up in my. In my face. All the time. And it was about five months into it, and I was like, you know what? I know this is crazy. I've never contacted anyone on Instagram, but I'm going to. And something just told me to call her. And my assistant set up a time with her, and I go, I have no idea what I'm going to be doing. And she. Literally, from the moment I sat down with her, she started teaching me breath work. And she's, I swear, like my therapist at the same time, but she. There was such a spiritual aspect to it. I'd gone through so much therapy that I. I was sick of talking about everything. I didn't. And I wasn't shifting anything.

You were still, like, in the same conversation.

Yeah, I just didn't want to have that anymore. And so she helped me shift out of that and to really work through the trauma in my body. She did a lot of somatic work, and I was always here and never here constantly. I mean, obviously there was so many reasons why I constantly wanted to run away from my body. So my practice has been literally coming back into myself.

Wow.

Dropping into your heart. Totally dropping into your body. Yeah.

Chopping into every piece of me.

Fear.

This is where the fear lives. The anxiety, stress, overwhelm, worry. It's like up in your head. It's like the story. And then when we drop into our hearts, we get back to love completely. We get grounded.

Yes. And that's such a huge piece. And gratitude. I know people talk about like, oh, make your gratitude list. She was one that really, finally got me into that. It is so key.

Here's the key.

It's so simple.

You can't be grateful and angry at the same time.

We're stressed and why can't we. Why is it the simplest of things that can we not get into our heads? Because people. I think we all want to think it's super complicated. And breath, like, deep breaths. Deep breaths and gratitude are like the two. The things I keep coming back to are love, it comes back to the heart, and gratitude for everything. Going back to gratitude for even the quote unquote, what we label negative pieces showing up. How can I be grateful for the totality of it all?

Wow.

Yeah, I'll get. I'll get away from my practice every once in a while. And the first thing that I constantly, like, my intuition just brings me back to, where's your heart and where's the love? And how can I wake up and get into that space every morning? Because once you get in that space, the whole world Changes.

If you wake up in reaction mode and anxiety mode, it's hard to get out of that for the rest of the day. You kind of stay in that unless you break the system and take an hour break and breathe and meditate or do a gratitude break, practice. But that's why I think it's important to do it first thing. I do it first thing and then last thing at night.

Oh, nice.

My girlfriend and I will talk about what we're grateful for from the day.

Oh, I love that.

It just allows me to, like, just sleep and I'm just like, you know, it's like you live in gratitude at night. It's like, okay, I feel at peace. As opposed to. I used to always be anxious at night. It would take me hours to fall asleep. So I was always living anxiety and fear and like, insecurity. Said like, well, here's what I'm grateful for. Even the smallest things. It brought me a lot more peace. But that's powerful. So you do about an hour of breathing meditation in the morning?

Yeah, I do stretching.

Some opening ups.

I do. I am one of those people that still reaches for my phone. I have to say, it's so hard.

Who doesn't? Unless you're a monk.

I know, right? I try not to, but I'll go down and have coffee with my husband in the morning and then I'll go in my little meditation room that I have at the house. And I've been doing Joe's dispensary.

Yeah, I've been checking you guys connect.

We did connect. I love him, you guys.

Come on.

Super smart.

We did get on the phone. We're gonna. I wanna dig into some further stuff.

He's amazing, isn't he?

He is amazing. And I have a zillion questions.

That episode we did with him, it's just been, like, blowing up. And so many people have read his book and are using the meditation.

Really is. So I've been actually doing his meditation.

So powerful.

Yeah, for like 30, 45 minutes in the morning. And then I've been chanting, actually. So I was doing some chanting for a while and I kind of got away from it. I was doing some Kundalini yoga and just stepped away from it. And a friend of mine the other day was talking to me about the power of my voice and she was saying that you don't use your sound current for yourself.

Right. You share.

Right. You use it and it's always projected out. But she's like, wow, you know, moving energy. That's one of your Greatest tools to move energy is through your voice. And a lot of the time when I sing, it's very. It's always structured, you know, I don't allow myself. This is one of the new loving.

Things that you're Sorry you're allowing yourself to do.

Allowing myself, Yes. I mean, it's taking that voice of. You have to be perfect, and you have to. Oh, you can't wade through the crap to, like, get to the pretty piece. Like, I need to be able to sit in stuff that doesn't sound good or whatever it is to get to. To get to the gift underneath. I mean, that's such a life lesson. But for me, playing around with it with my voice of just allowing sound to come out, and sometime I'll keep my phone by me because sometimes something really good will come out. I'm like, wait, that was really good. Wait, I'm gonna write a song off of that.

So what is this chanting? Like, you're just making stuff up.

No. So, I mean, I'll.

Can you demonstrate a little five seconds of what a chant is?

Yes. So what chants am I doing right now? Yes. So I do this one chant for. It's for protection and projection. It's a Kundalini meditation. But it's. You're putting me on the spot.

Excited.

I know. My husband said the other day. My husband's like, I'm like, I want you to chant with me. And he's like, no, I just want to hear you chant.

I'll chant with you if you want.

Yeah, okay. No, so he. But it was really sweet because he was like, really? I just love to hear you chant.

Oh, wow.

So he sat with me. It was the first time I ever chanted in front of someone. That was like, two days ago.

Wow.

So you got practice now.

Yes. So usually I would do this, and my arms move with everything. So it's. There you go.

Wow.

And so.

Yeah. All right. I don't know if you're supposed to clap after a champ, but I'll take it.

Yes. No, but I. Wow.

That's beautiful, though.

Thanks. And I do, like. That's a very. Like I said, for protection and projection. And it's an open heart kind of thing. So I try to get into my heart as much as possible. So I do that in the morning. And. Yeah. It's a new thing. Imagine knowing your voice for as long as I have. And I'm like, oh, wait, there's this other piece. There's this other level to the gift.

That we have that you can access. You should do like a weekly chance session for people at your house or studio. I know the meditation studio owner, Susie, over here. If you want to do it, I'm sure.

Oh, my God, I would love to.

They have the bowls, they have the room, they have the whole setup.

So this is my new thing.

It'd be amazing.

I want to learn the whole.

Oh, my gosh, can you imagine chanting with leann Rimes? It'd be incredible. I'd be there.

That's the thing too, is like, I love my sweet husband. He's like, I want to hear you. And that's wonderful. But I want people to find that sound current in them. Because when I'm doing this, like when I come back to my heart, it's vibrating. Like, we can feel it when you're speaking, but when you're singing.

No.

It's electric.

It is.

It's powerful.

It's powerful. Everybody has that in them. And that's what I. We're so focused on what everything sounds like or what things look like. And I think part of my journey right now is like stripping away all of those shoulds for myself, but also hopefully as I do for myself, somehow along the way, helping others to strip away those pieces too.

You have to promise me in the next four months, I know you'll be on tour soon.

We'll do it.

We'll do it. I'll set it up for you if you want.

Let's do it.

You can invite you chanting with me, then I'll chant with you.

Okay.

I'll be in the back row, but I'll be there.

I'll be there.

Come on.

No, seriously. I think it'd be powerful even just to do it once, to see and just create your own little one hour chanting session.

I love the universe. Universe.

I think you gotta do it.

Two days ago is the first time I ever chanted in front of someone, and now look at what I'm doing.

Chanting Leon rhymes. It's gonna be a whole Spotify playlist. Totally create meditations for people. This could be your level of service to give back.

I literally in the last 48 hours, have gone through this. It came to me in meditation today and what I wanted to create.

I see it.

We're here for a reason.

I say wavelength.

I see it.

I'm gonna support.

Thank you.

What is the now you went through, like a public. This is your second marriage, right? You went through.

Yes.

You were married for about a decade. Is that what it was?

Seven years.

Seven years. And now you've been remarried for a while now. What's the greatest lesson you learned in the relationship or the marriage that didn't work out?

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I think I've learned as a whole that people were all here to teach each other something. My first husband. I'm incredibly grateful for everything we both taught each other and we were fantastic friends and super uber closest friends today. And no, not today. You Were unfortunately not. I mean, you were then. Yeah, I mean, who knows what the future holds? But we were then. And I think with everything that happened, obviously there had to be a lot of separation there for people to heal. But I realized what we were for each other and how we. What we taught each other. And I'm very, very grateful for that. So I don't. I think the easiest thing to do is look back and blame and say, oh my God, I wish that never happened. And all of those things. And I think for me, I totally see why. I'm very aware of it all. And the biggest lesson for me in the learning how to handle relationship. First off, like, I mean, I just. You never know how love is going to come at you, where it's going to hit you, how you're going to react to it. And I really, I've learned to speak truth, I think more into my relationships to know that I can be okay alone. All of those sorts of things. I think those are really powerful to have. As I mean, like I was saying earlier, there was, I was always around someone. There was like someone always around me.

You were never alone?

No, never alone. I was never like out of a relationship in that way of living alone and that kind of thing. So I now know, like that's. Those are things I'm fully capable of. But my latest relationship with Eddie, hopefully my only one, I'd say my latest, but no, with Eddie, it's been quite the ride because we went through so much publicly together. We've had, you know, to blend a family. You know, I have two stepsons that are 11 and 15. He's taught me a lot. They've all taught me a lot. And that's one of those things.

Who's taught you more, your husband or your stepkids?

Oh, wow. Both in completely different ways. And I'll actually have to say my husband's ex wife has taught me a lot too.

Really.

You know, it's one of those things where you all want to hate each other at the beginning. And then like I said, these gifts that I've realized that are right in front of me that don't look like gifts, but are, which is this whole situation of so much, so many things I've learned from, from the ego falling away to people that used to love you, hate you, and you're like, first off, you're just gut wrenched of, you know, when you're depending on that kind of outside love and then you realize it's the best gift that could have ever happened to You. And then you realize, like, having to make amends with people and having to blend personalities that are not gelling and having to extend love in places where you never thought you'd have to extend.

Like, where.

Like, just to people. You know, when you've all hurt each other, like, so much and then you all continue to just, like, hurt each other, Having to get past all of that and finally extend love, like, that's been the most. The hugest. Just weight off my back, I think, is to know. To come into this realization that we all are gifts to one another.

Yeah.

You know, even my parents, where I wanted to blame them in the past, like, realizing that was a gift also, like, all of these things are true gifts. And like, they. When you start to really love who you are and you realize, like, oh, these are all the things that created me. Like, you know, you really do have to. You can't look at it any other way. So. Yeah, they've. We've all taught each other. I know we're all in each other's lives for a reason, and it's still a challenge, but it's one that I am definitely. I have such a different perception on than when I first stepped into this. And my husband's amazing. He really is. He's loved me through a lot of pain. And I've always felt that people run away from it. You know, I've always thought there was something wrong with me. Like, I have all this trauma and I'm in so much pain that I. The people. I can't show the side of me to people because they run away. And I've always.

You can't show the pain?

I can't show the pain. People can't take it.

So you would hide it or you would.

I would hide it. And he was just always been someone that I could. He's been there through it all. He's never turned away from me. And it's such a. He's such a blessing. I mean, I still can't believe. I still test him at times, still.

Throw something at him every now and then.

I'm like, wait, but you still stayed again? No, I mean, I think it's just when I felt. I felt so abandoned at times in my life so early on that there's been that wound. And so I didn't believe that he existed. I still am like, wait, you really do exist. Like, you're. He's been in it with me.

Wow.

He is a true, true blessing.

Sounds like a special guy.

He is a good dude. He really Is.

That's amazing. Have you been able to heal your experience with your parents?

Once again, we talk about layers. Yes, I have.

Certain level.

Yes, to a certain level, absolutely. And, you know, the hardest thing is, I think on this journey for me has been getting to a certain point in anybody in your life, whether it's your parents or you want to bring them along with you, and you want to, like, help them. And, you know, you can't do that unless people want change and wants. Yeah. And sometimes we just don't see eye to eye, and that's been. I think we've healed a lot of the past, and it's the present that I am so desiring for them to be happy and have joy in their life and all these things that I've now been able to feel and overcome the places that they've been in. And so sometimes I think that's now.

The hard part for me to surrender that, to let it.

That's the next level for me is.

Oh, man.

And just loving. I mean, that's a thing with. With everyone in your life. And this something my husband has taught me is loving people in the place that they're at and not expecting them to change. And he's. He's done that for me. And I think it is. It's hard because I don't do it for myself. You know, I'm constantly. It's very difficult for me to love myself sometimes in the places that are really. That don't want. That I don't want to show or that I don't like. And I'm finding that when I start to really become tender with those places, then I become tender a lot more tender with everyone else around me.

Wow.

You're like, wait, where are we?

There's so much I want to talk about with you. And we only have a limited time left, so I want to make sure we cover a few other things because I think there's so many layers I'd love to dive into about that, but maybe we'll get you back on next.

Year for, like, when I figured some more stuff out next year.

Exactly.

I'll come back.

I'm curious about this side of things because there's a lot of. There's a lot of musicians and actors and dancers who listen to the show, those who are trying to make it in their art and their craft. And I think a lot of them struggle with one making it. And then the second thing is, once they make it, how do I stay relevant? How do I keep making it? How do I not be like a hit for a few years and then fade away. How have you dealt with this? Because you had success for so long and you still have a lot of success, but do you struggle with trying to stay relevant where there's always a new artist and people, new sounds? And do you feel like you have that pressure? Or how do you overcome the pressure of being relevant? Constantly?

Yes and no. I mean, of course there's always that pressure in a career. I guess I don't look at it as more as relevant as I do as how can I. How can I keep creating and still being interesting?

Interesting to other people? Both.

I know what you're about to say that both. And I think when you start to focus on what's interesting to me. Look, when you start to pull yourself out of what everyone else thinks is relevant and how to play the game, you're gonna get some pushback and you're going to maybe have things that aren't as successful commercially. But then what did you get from it? Like, how did it make. That's where I had to shift things. How did it make me feel? Did I really enjoy this process this time around? Did I not cut songs to please other people and really did things that I love to do? Where am I singing from? Is this coming from my heart? Is it coming from the need to be relevant? Like, I think these are questions that I constantly am asking myself to make.

A hit, to whatever, sell records or whatever.

And when you start focusing on that, like, it's just a race that just never gonna win. Yeah, you never are. And so I keep coming back to this place of what. What feels good to me now. I mean, granted, I'm in a position where I can do that.

Yeah. You still get a lot of opportunities no matter what you're doing, right?

Yeah. But I still. When I was younger, so I started on country music. And then my record label released my first pop hit, which was How Do I Live? And to pop radio. And at the time, no. 1.

This is Coyote Ugly Times.

No, that was after this. How Do I Live was the first huge hit. Yeah. I can't find the movie.

The slow song.

How Do I Live? Yeah. Was a huge hit.

Mega.

Yeah. I. At the time, like, no one really crossed over. It was from country to part. Yeah. Like, that was a no. No. Because it was a band. Yeah. People do it all the time back then. It was like people were kind of abandoning the format. I was 14. Keep in mind, I'm like.

You're like.

I'm just Trying to.

I'm just like. I'm just trying to enjoy music. Like, I didn't. You know, there was no real. I had no idea that anything like that would happen. Yeah, it was a bad thing. So I think ever since that happened, I just loved music. And for me, it was like, wait, why is someone trying to put me in a box? And so I've really rebelled against that my whole life of, like, constantly, like, pushing on the walls of every box that anyone could put me in. And maybe that was the reason why I stayed relevant. Maybe it was the reason why people were constantly wanting to hear what I was doing. Because it was different. A little bit different every time. But I think the one thing that people always connected with with me was that I connected with my heart, and my heart came through my music. And I think that that's really what people connected with. I'm finding that more now than ever of, like, oh, wait, the voice is just like the avenue of the other gift that's, like, underneath it. And so when I talk about pulling back the layers of, like, unwrapping this gift that I've had, it's like I'm really now just discovering, like, the voice is just kind of the surface of what else is underneath it. And I think really connecting. We live in a world where we all try to fit in. It's like the worst thing we can possibly do for ourselves. You know? I remember a time in my life when I'm in my mid teens where I just. I wanted to be normal so bad.

You wanted to fit in?

I wanted to be. I wanted to fit in. I wanted to be normal so bad. It's like the worst thing I could have asked for. Don't do that. Because you do. You lose these unique pieces of yourself. And we all are so unique. And we. We can. I can easily get into thinking this. I started a blog called Soul of Everly and Soul of Everly. Soul of Everly. Yeah. E V E R L E. And I. When I started the blog, I was like, why am I starting? Everybody says everyone's got a blog, like, the whole deal. And it's so easy to get into thinking, like, oh, everyone's doing this kind of music, or there's so many people doing that or making that product. But the thing is, we all have such a unique way of seeing things and a unique way of being and creating. We can't think that way. That's just so not true. There are people out there that need your truth in the way that you present It. And. And your creations. And so I think that's been a big lesson for me, is to just continue to create without expectation and for the joy of it. I think that's one thing I lost for a while because I was. You start focusing on the business side of it and you lose the joy. It's really, really, really connecting with yourself. I think your intuition, man, My intuition tells me to do something sometimes where I'm like, really, like, you want me to create that I should do that now? I mean, I'm going through that right now. I'm actually starting to work on a new record, and I've been sitting with it for about a year now because it's like, one piece of me will pull me one way, the other piece of me will pull me that way. My intuition will pull me that way. And I'm like, wait, which one am I? Which one? I had to start discerning, like, which one really is the intuition.

Right.

And rolling with it. Cause it's.

It's risky. It's scary.

It is risky. And it's also fun. Like, I'm now realizing, like, I'm having fun doing that, and that's probably where I should be going, you know, instead.

More into that. Yeah.

Yeah.

I think your greatest hits are ahead of you still. Thanks. I think it's, you know, in all areas of life.

Enchanting.

Enchanting. In music, in relationships, in, you know, the message you have for the world. I think your level of service is just beginning. And I'm really excited to see what you're gonna create. Whatever your intuition tells you to do.

Yeah, it's gonna be fun. I'm excited.

Gosh.

I wanna have you come back on another time, but I wanna respect your time. This is a question I ask at the end. It's called the Three Truths. I'm gonna ask you in a different way.

Oh, okay.

So imagine you've sung every song you've wanted to sing. You've created every piece of music. It's all been out there. All your weird, intuitive ways that you've gone into. You've made the music you wanted, right? For whatever reason, you've got to take all your music with you. And this is your last day, many years from now, and you choose the last day for your life, but you've done it all. All the crazy dreams, it's all happened. You've impacted the world the way you want it to. You've loved deeply all that stuff. But your music's got to go with you. So no one has access to it anymore. You can't listen to it anymore, but you've got a microphone connected to you right now. And the whole world puts headphones on. Everyone in the world gets to listen to you one last time, and you get to share three truths or three lessons that you would share with the world that they would have to remember you by and to have access to. What would you say with your voice while everyone is listening?

Dude, this is, like, intense.

It's called the school of greatness.

This is so good.

So again, everyone's putting on headphones right now. Seven plus billion people. And you got to share three things you know to be true about your life's experience, that you would share these lessons with the world. We're putting on the headphones. We're about to listen. Leanne Rimes comes on the mic. What would you say?

Wow. I would definitely the most painful thing you'll ever experience in your life is the closing of your heart. And you will know when you've closed it. You will know when you've opened it, because it will feel like you just started breathing again. And you're gonna make me cry. This is so true, though, because I oscillate between the two all the time. I think we all do. But when you've really closed it and it opens, it's just so powerful. So that would be the first thing, is to as much as you can in this lifetime, try to keep your heart open.

Yeah, number one.

That's number one. Number two, we are. There's so much power in us that we have barely touched on. We have the power to change anything about ourselves. And I think, for me, what I've learned is that it is. It comes in the form of creativity. I think we don't give ourselves enough credit for the creative beings that we are. We look too much to the outside and don't connect enough with the inside. And in that connection, what I found going to intuition is that usually the first thing that comes to mind. Like, I was sitting here thinking about, like, a zillion things I could say, but I'm like, okay, heart, intuition, like, go to these things. The first thing that comes is like, okay, I need to speak on that. The first thing that comes, go with it. You might not know where you're going, but go with it. Because there's such a plan so bigger, so much bigger than us, than we could ever, ever fathom. So even the smallest of choices, every little thing we do, falls into that plan. I truly believe that. So, yes, intuition, two yes.

And number three, the world is listening.

Number three, there is a God, which I do believe this energy that creates us is just an amazing thing. But let me say, I don't know if that would be number three, but yes, that is definitely. It's definitely there. Number three. I know we talk about self love a lot. It's become like this kind of buzzword or this buzz phrase. But true self love is the key to life in my opinion. Because what is that saying? You can only meet someone as far as you can meet yourself. And so the deeper I find the 10, the more the tenderer I get with myself, the more that I can sit with all the facets of me and truly be with those things, the more I can serve the world in that way. So I think for me, self love is key.

Yeah. Wow. Those are powerful.

Thanks. That's difficult. That's probably one of the most difficult things I've ever done because there's so much.

So much.

There really is so much.

I'm curious, I've got a couple final ones. This just popped up for me. What was the hardest year of your teenage years? What year was like the worst year for you?

They all ran into each other at one point. They seemed like one long year. Probably 17.

17.

Yeah.

If your 17 year old self was right in front of you right now going through that and you had something you could say to her, what would you say?

The first thing that came to mind was fall apart. Like, you don't have to hold up the world for everybody else. It's okay. Wow. Yeah. Everybody else can take care of themselves.

Wow. I like that.

Yeah.

You've got a movie coming out right now. What's the movie?

The movie's called It's Christmas Eve. It's Christmas Eve on Hallmark Channel. I just did a Christmas movie for them. I wrote three original songs for the film, which there's a soundtrack that's out right now also. I executive produced the film. Wow. From the ground up. Had so much fun doing this movie. There's a lot of heart in it. Of course. It's hallmarked as a beautiful love story.

It's always good Christmas movies out there. You know, there's always good stuff. I'm excited to watch it.

It is so. Yeah.

So it's on the hallmark channel.

Yes. November 10th.

November 10th. Through the Christmas season.

Through the Christmas season, yes.

They'll be playing it every few days, I'm assuming, but you can search on your DVR or whatever to find out when it's happening. Watch it Take a screenshot, post on Instagram, share with your friends.

Let us know you're watching it.

What's the title of it again?

It's Christmas comma Eve.

It's Christmas Eve.

We are fancy.

It's Christmas Eve. Watch it, Share it. Tag Leigh Ann as well. The music is out. Where can they get the music?

You can go. Yeah, I mean, everywhere. Yes, absolutely. You can stream it everywhere. Hallmark.com, leannrimeschristmas.com wow. Actually, I have a Christmas website. Isn't it?

Wow.

Leannrychristmas.com and you're going on tour?

Yes.

For how long?

We're on tour for, like, three weeks, basically. This is our sixth holiday tour, and it's really fun.

I want to hear you sing oh, Holy Night.

Okay.

Do you do it at your tour?

I don't Silent Night, but I don't do either of those. But if you come to a show.

Maybe you'll do Silent Night.

I'll for sure do one or the other.

Yes.

You got it. Yes.

Okay.

But we're playing the west coast this year. We pick kind of a place in the United States to play every year. And we're doing the west coast again. We did that a few years ago.

Okay. West coast. We go to leannrimes.com to see the tour dates. I'm assuming leannrimesworld.com leannrimesworld.com or on Instagram. I'm sure there's.

Yeah, it's everywhere.

Leann Rimes on there.

You can't miss us.

What else? We got the movie, It's Christmas comma Eve. The music, the tour.

Yes.

Social media. You hang out on Instagram a lot? Twitter?

I do, yeah. Yeah, Definitely on Instagram. And then soulofeverly.soulofevery.com is the website.

We'll have it all linked up. How often are you blogging or sharing?

I usually blog, like, once or twice a week. And then I do a little thing called Chalk Talk, which I put up either a quote that I've written or some of my favorite ones and kind of expand on it. Yeah, it's very, very soulful, obviously. Soul of Everly. Very soulful little place for me to play around. So it's just kind of an extension of my music, but in a completely different way.

Check out all this stuff. I want to acknowledge you, Leanne, for being a more than just a beautiful voice, but a beautiful soul, because you've gone through so much in your life and your career and relationships publicly, and I can only imagine the amount of stress and anxiety and overwhelm that could cause someone. And for you to continue to show up with a beautiful voice and a beautiful soul and give to the world the way you do is just. It's a breath of fresh air. So I really acknowledge you for your kindness, your generosity.

Thank you.

Our friendship and the greatest hits that are still coming.

Thank you.

So I acknowledge you for all that.

And thank you for being so. You're just so kind and open, and it's so wonderful to be on here.

Of course.

I appreciate it.

The final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

What's my definition of greatness? I would think I would go with this. For me, it's someone who is willing to take risks. It's someone who's willing to fail. It's someone who realizes that failing is not the end of the world, that it's only a stepping stone to success. It's someone who keeps persevering and learning from every bump in the road, only to come out of that with more wisdom and knowledge of clear vision of where they want to go. So it's someone who doesn't give up.

Nean Rhymes.

Yes.

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Amazing.

Amazing.

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