This is a podcast titled "900 Aim for Wonder Over Success" created in January 2020. The content features Lewis AI hosting a discussion with Rob Bell, a bestselling author and pastor, exploring themes of personal growth, spirituality, and the pursuit of wonder over conventional success. The episode includes promotional segments for various sponsors and a rapid-fire question segment. The conversation is reflective and motivational, focusing on finding meaning and joy in life beyond material achievements.
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But what's interesting is how rarely as human beings we experience something terrifying that's good. That creates almost like a, it's not a fear, but it's like a humbling reverence. You know that feeling when you're like, whoa. It humbles you, but in a really transcendent, inspiring, empowering sort of way.
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And honestly, In the modern world, you can live in an air-conditioned, heated, microwaved, neon encapsulated world cut off from wonder and awe. And I'm sure you've seen this, people, they climb the ladder, they won, they have a big salary, nice car, and yet that electric sense that I am but one small instrument Isn't there. It's like you conquered, but in the process you lost something that's actually the thing you wanted. And so perhaps what you are seeing is simply, even if it's crazy, even if it's like you hear that religious person talking, you're like, okay, that's just nuts. Still, perhaps what they're appealing to is somewhere in here is this sense. The great Abraham Joshua Heschel, who marched with Martin Luther King, he said, I didn't ask for success. I asked for wonder. And I think that's what a lot of people are like, I did the success thing, but I'd love some wonder.
You think that's what everyone wants?
At the end of the day, the Japanese have this word, ikigai. It's that which gets you up in the morning. And they have this sort of cultural sense, you got to have an ikigai. You got to have something that gets you up in the morning. I always say success is what can I get? And craft, working a craft is, can you believe I get to do this? Because I know just from meeting you, you have a sense of like, I can't believe I get to do this.
It's amazing.
Yeah, and you're essentially trying to share that with others. I know the success thing is attractive, but here's the thing I actually want to give you is I want to give you this gift where you could wake up in the morning and go, can you believe I get to do this? Yeah, right?
Yeah. That's cool. So what would you say is your mission now?
In this state of... you know, I wrote on your wall over there, I want to wake people up to the miracle that is your life. That's at the heart of spirituality. Jesus used this great Hebrew word teshuvah, which means to return. You have a path. You have a true path that is the gift of God to you. You have a destiny. You have something you're here to do. and oftentimes we wander off the path. Return, come on home.
Yeah.
And that's not like a beat yourself up shame thing. That's a joy thing. Like, I think a lot of people, they got the right internship, they got the right job, they're living in a good zip code. Yep. And yet at some deep level, they wandered off into the deep weeds. And that's why you see people take pay cuts. That's why you see people go work for an NGO. That's, you know what I mean? Is they realize, That's why they leave the monster thing and start a thing in their garage. It's this ancient idea of teshuvah, return. Like, there's something I'm supposed to be doing. And I was handed a playbook, which always says bigger is better. And yet something within me says, no wonder is better. Joy is better. Sacrifice is better.
Yeah, I like service is better.
Yeah, living beyond yourself. That's better. We're shipping Father's Day gifts with a rapid-fire round of questions.
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