Boxing Legend Canelo Álvarez: How Meditation CHANGED My Life & Helps Me WIN!
1 May 2024 · 43 min
In this May 2024 episode of the School of Greatness, host Lewis Howes sits down with boxing legend Saúl "Canelo" Álvarez for an extensive English interview. Canelo reflects on nearly two decades of professional boxing, describing how meditation, visualization, and a love‑driven mindset have sharpened his performance inside and outside the ring. He explains that he never feels fear, focusing instead on winning and enjoying the process. The conversation covers his early hardships—selling ice‑cream at 15, dropping out of school, and a brother’s kidnapping before a fight—and how discipline, sacrifice, and family support helped him overcome adversity. Canelo shares the three core lessons he would pass on: love, determination, and self‑belief, and distinguishes “success” (achieving goals) from “greatness” (going beyond comfort zones). He discusses his business empire (real‑estate, Canelo Energy, other brands) and his vision to become a leading global entrepreneur after boxing. Throughout, he emphasizes love for Mexico, his family, and his fans, and his desire to leave a legacy as one of the greatest boxers ever. The episode also contains sponsor reads, but the core content is Canelo’s personal philosophy, training regimen, mental practices, and future aspirations.
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Nobody believes in me before. And I show them what person can accomplish with determination, with that, believing yourself and everything. And I'm just starting.
And now, entering the arena, here is the pound for pound king.
So, phenomenal. Meditation changed my mind. I feel in my best. I feel not just in boxing, in life.
Do you have any fear when you fight today?
I never feel fear.
Really? What is it you want your legacy to be after that last match?
One of the best in the history of boxing. And I'm gonna cry that day when you walk into the ring and hear all the people screaming and this, singing the song you put and everything. I'm gonna, I'm gonna miss that moment.
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Yeah.
Is there a difference between how you trained early on when you were a nobody, the first few years in your teens versus how you train now mentally, physically? Is there a difference? If so, what is that difference?
Mentally is, I think, is the same mentality, the same hungry, you know, is for me is I train My mind is always trying to get more, trying to get more history to my career and it's never enough for me.
Really?
Never enough for me. I always train so hard because, you know, I started like that, training so hard because in my mind always when I was I say I want to be a champion. And then I realize I accomplished that champion and I say it's something else more. It's something else there. So I always, my mind is always, is never enough for my mind. Right. I always train so hard and I say, and I love boxing so much. I enjoy it. I enjoy it. I still enjoy it.
You still enjoy it. But it's almost been 20 years, right? 20 years.
19 professional.
19 professional. What is the three greatest lessons that boxing has taught you in almost 20 years of boxing?
It's gonna be very difficult to pick three lessons because I think the man I am right now, I learned from boxing because my whole life I I give my whole life to boxing. I think boxing teach me everything. Everything. Bad and goods and everything. I think boxing made me.
It made you, yeah. What is the lesson that you would say to your younger self with all the wisdom and experience you have now?
It's the only thing I can say to them. Like, if I... You're 15 in front of me. I have my son and say, you can do whatever you want. You just, you just need to be able to, to have able to sacrifices, discipline and a hard work.
Yes.
And have a good mentality because if you have that trees, three things, discipline, sacrifices and, and, and hard work. Hard work. But if you don't have that mentality, it's gonna be very difficult.
How do you keep the the hunger alive inside of you for so long, though, because you were starting out as a young man wanting to be a champion. You became a champion. But how do you continue year after year to stay hungry and love us so much?
I I don't know. I don't know. I I always say, because I love what I do and I I have that passion on me and I love what I do and. And I enjoy it. And I'm that kind of man since. I'm that kind of person say, if I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna do 100%. Yeah. No, in the middle, no, 90. No, I'm 100. I always try to do my best and try to do my everything. And, and I, I think because I love what I do.
How do you manage fear? Did you have a lot of fear growing up as you started fighting? And do you have any fear when you fight? today.
I never feel fear really in boxing. I never feel how it's like to feel that fear. I always enjoy it. I just enjoy a lot. My favorite day, my favorite thing is sparring days and a fight day is I just enjoy it a lot. I enjoy it and I never.
Have.
That experience to feel the fear or something on.
When you became a champion, world champion, did you feel fear to lose that ever? No. Really? No.
Never, never feel that fear.
Why not? Well, did someone teach you how to overcome fear or is it.
I don't know. I just, I always say because I really enjoy boxing. I really love boxing. I really love being in the ring fighting. I never, Thinking about, oh, if this happened or I always go with that mentality to win and enjoy.
Do you ever, when you're preparing for a fight, do you ever think about, well, what happens if I get knocked down or if I lose, will I feel bad or?
I never think about lose. I never think about lose. I always think and train for the win.
Yes.
And yes, I do. I think about if I get knocked out, how I'm gonna reaction and we train about everything.
Train it when you'll fall down.
If I feel dizzy what I'm gonna do. We always train about that. We prepare ourselves for everything of course, but I never think about losing.
What is the process like the day of a fight for you mentally and emotionally? How do you prepare for that fight?
For me it's a normal day.
Just a nice... Grab a cup of coffee, relax, hang out.
Relax, obviously very relaxed, but for me in my mind is a normal day.
Really? But the world is gonna watch you on this fight.
I know.
There's so much money on the line that, you know...
I don't think about that. For me it's normal. I'm gonna do my thing and that's it. Obviously I think I... I... I put everything together that day. We put in the whole training camp. I put, okay, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, and we train for this. But for me, it's a normal day. It's like a... You wake up, you see me in the locker room 20 minutes before the fight. Listen music, chilling with my team. So for me it's normal day.
Are you not visualizing the fight?
Yeah, always.
You are.
I always visualize my fighting in the night. I know, okay, this happened, I'm gonna do this, everything.
How much energy does it take from you to visualize? There's a lot of energy to train, to run every day, to spar, to lift. But how much energy to actually think at night about what you're gonna do in the ring?
I just think, I don't put so much energy to think because I just, okay, I'm gonna do this and this, I train for this and that's it. For me, like my life routine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not like, I don't know, Do this, you know, to stress myself? No.
It's relaxing.
It's relaxing.
It's relaxing. Wow, that's beautiful. And what do you think about after you win a fight, when you've prepared for months and you win a big fight and the whole world is watching, how does it make you feel?
It's the best feeling. It's the best feeling because you put your life there, you put everything in the training camp, you left your family, you left everything. for that moment.
Yes.
For that moment, for that win, you prepare yourself for. For that win. And it's the best feeling.
Yes.
Then is. Is when you realize everything. Everything you do, everything. The sacrifices, the. The discipline you put in the gym, there is the result.
It's worth it. Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you ever doubt yourself growing up? Ever like self-doubt Never insecure.
Never in my life.
How did you learn that though?
I don't know.
So many people in the world are insecure about who they are, right? They doubt.
I never doubt about myself.
Was that your parents? Your grandmother?
Or I don't know.
Did they teach you how to be insecure?
My mentality is always like, I don't care who is there. I'm gonna achieve my goals no matter what. So, and I just started professional boxing when I was 15 years old.
So.
Sometimes my trainer, my trainers saw the opponent and say, hey, he's too strong and he's, he's 30 years old, and I don't care. I don't, I don't, I I, I don't really care. And then two rounds in that and.
You knock them out.
Yeah.
Do you have, I mean, do you ever have any insecurities outside of boxing, like starting business or. and some other ventures? No. No insecurities.
I think the first time I jumped in the bus and tried to sell ice creams in the bus, I feel a little, I don't know, insecure or I feel a little chained because, you know, I'm red hair, freckles and everything, I feel like a little ashamed, maybe insecure.
But you're like five, six, seven years old. Yeah, yeah.
Five, six years old.
It's like popsicles.
And then I say, oh, nothing happened. And then I start, I started feeling good, but I think that moment I feel like a little insecure because the people saw me and say something of But with me, I don't know. But then I don't give up.
So like, so 25 years ago was the last time you were insecure. Yeah. But when you're starting business, because you've got all these businesses that you've been building in Mexico and USA as well, are you, you know, do you feel like, oh, maybe I don't understand business fully like everyone else yet because I'm mostly a boxer. Do you ever get worried about that?
Worry. Yes, but I'm not insecure.
Okay.
It's different. Worry about, okay, I'm gonna do with the correct persons, find the correct persons and Partners, Partners and everything, you know, but never insecure because it's. Is there a lot of people bring with business and this and this. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna do whatever I want. And I say, okay, I want to do this. I'm gonna find the. correct person to do it. So maybe worry about to find the correct partner. Correct.
People. Yeah. To make sure it's good. Do you ever feel, I mean, you're a legend and an icon all around the world, but specifically in Mexico, right? Mexicans love you. I love visiting Mexico. Obviously, my fiance is from Mexico, and people love you there. Do you ever feel a pressure to. make them proud or to do the.
Right things or in some, in some point, yes.
Really?
In some point, yes. Because, you know, we have a huge history in boxing.
Yes.
Mexico. In some point, yes.
But.
Some there time, I say, you know, I, I always do my best.
Yes.
And I put my best in there. So, yeah, I know they My fans, my true fans, they probably me because they know I put everything, everything there. Is there people who don't like.
But.
I know that they, I can do anything without people, you know? But in some moment, yes, I feel like, oh, I need to do this to make my fans happy, but then you realize I put everything I can in there so they will be happy.
What is it you love about Mexico and Mexican people the most?
Everything. Everything. Mexico is very unique. It's very unique, you know, the one or the person, the service they give you. and the love. We have a lot of places, beautiful places in Mexico. I think we have a lot of good things in Mexico. A lot of good things in Mexico.
Yeah. The culture, the people, the love is something that I appreciate and really enjoy. You've got a family, you've got kids. What changed for you in boxing when you started to have kids? Did something shift inside of you?
I started having kids since I was 17. So yeah, I changed my mind a lot because then I have responsibility of a big man. So very hard at the beginning but at the end of the day I have three jobs. and then went to train, then went three jobs and then went to train because, you know, I have the best for my, for my daughter, that moment when I was 17 years old.
What were those jobs? What were those three jobs? Sells ice creams when you were 17. Yeah.
Wow. I, my, my, I helped my dad, my bro and two of my brothers.
Wow.
So then go to train and sell ice cream.
Yeah. Because you dropped out of school, high school, correct?
Yeah. When I was 15 years old, right?
You didn't like school?
I didn't. I didn't. But maybe if I have a different life and different positions, maybe I do like the school. But for me, it was different.
Speaking of the warmth, you know, I heard you talk about your grandmother really loving you in a big way growing up. your father, your mother. I'm curious, could you share the biggest thing you've learned from your grandmother, your father and your mother? One lesson from each that they taught you?
I think they never surrendered and everything.
They never surrendered.
They never. They always hardworking. They always, we love. I think if you walk in life with love, you're gonna be good everywhere. Everywhere. No matter what. If you walk in with love, you're gonna be good in life.
Have you always had love in your heart or have you ever had anger or resentment?
I think in some point, yes, but I always have love in my in my heart because, you know, I always, whatever I do, I do with my heart.
Right. When you have love in your heart, but you're a boxer and you're fighting.
Someone, I need to, it's like a animal, right? If you are whatever animal, you're good, but if you need to bring food for your family or you need to take care of your family, you're gonna do everything.
Yeah.
And fight. So I'm. I'm walking with love, but I'm a fighter.
You walk with love. But when you're fighting, I'm a fighter. You're a fighter. Did something switch in your mind when you had your daughter at 17? Did you become more focused as a fighter or did anything shift inside of you in terms of I need to work harder? Or was it the same type of routine?
Same, same. same for me. I never doubt about being a world champion.
You never thought?
No matter what. Never a doubt.
Never a doubt about. Yeah, I. I.
My daughter comes and I say, even more, even more Focus, even more. It determinate everything. I think my daughter teach me a lot of things and made me. put that extra.
Really? So you trained harder, you focused more?
I think my daughter made me put that extra motivation.
And you have a big family, like seven or eight siblings, right?
Eight.
Yeah. Eight, seven brothers or six brothers, right?
Seven and one sister.
That's incredible. And I saw a video of you talking about how your brother got kidnapped at one point right before a fight. Yeah. Is that true?
That's true, yeah.
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It was very difficult. Yeah. For me, it was very difficult because it was the week of the fight. That's amazing. It was a very difficult time for me and for the family, but I don't know, I don't know how my mind go. go for that situation. But I always say, you know, I'm gonna do my best in everything.
And.
And at the end, everything was good.
And.
And.
And.
And I handled good.
You handled. Did you think about stopping the fight or.
No. Oh, never.
Just keep going. Keep going. No matter what.
My life. need to keep going.
What is being a father taught you about life now that you're a father of many kids? What does that taught you about?
I think everything you need to, because you need to walk in with example for your kids. You know, it's the best teach for them.
Your kids are the best. You're the best teacher for them.
Yeah. If you do the correct things and they saw you. How you do that thing is I think they're gonna learn. You can say a lot of things, but if they saw you doing...
Your example, yeah, yeah, your way of being.
The example is the best thing.
We were talking about meditation before we started filming that this year you started getting into meditation. Breathing, listening to music, meditation. We were talking about Dr. Joe Dispenza before. what has meditation done to you to support you in your training and preparing for fighting?
I feel in my best moment right now because of the meditation. Yeah, I feel in my best. I feel not just in boxing, in.
Life, in relationships, in.
Friends, business, boxing, everything, everything. I think for me, meditation changed my mind.
Really?
Changed my life.
What have you learned about it so far?
Everything. You know that what I say, if you walking with love, you want to be good everywhere. And it's a lot of things that love comes, you know, bad things, too, right? Limits. Respect, the love comes with a lot of things, but we don't solve, we just think, oh, love is love. No, love comes with limits, with respect.
With.
A lot of things comes with love. So if you're walking with love, I think you're gonna be good everywhere.
Yes. I ask a lot of people about the difference between success and greatness. This show is called the School of Greatness. And I'm curious, what is your definition of success versus greatness? Not say to you say in Espanol, greatness. Is there a word for greatness in Spanish? Is it.
Greatness in Spanish is like the best.
Okay, in your mind, what is the definition of greatness versus the definition of success?
Success. I think to sex is in life. You do whatever thing. If you got success, that's success. But a greatness is like an accomplishment or a. Like a. No, a world champion.
-Huh that's success.
That's it.
And what's greatness in your mind?
What I. what I'm doing. That's greatness. Go out of your comfort zone and.
Do.
Things everybody said you're gonna, you can't do it. I think that's a difference and in belief and whatever you want to do. I think what happened with me is nobody believes in me before because I'm too sure for that weight classes and this and that skinny shorts. And I show them what person can accomplish with with that determination, with that believe in yourself and everything, I think. And I. And I'm just starting right now. Yeah, I'm just starting because.
And. And boxing. You're just starting in boxing now.
In boxing. I'm whatever years come left, like four or five years, I don't know. But in my life, in my life, I think I just want to teach other boxers, other athletes, they need to put things outside boxing too. Because you know that history, the athletes come and win a lot of money or win a lot of have a lot of success and at the end of the day they got nothing.
Right.
Nobody, nobody, everybody forget that.
That five years later, 10 years later.
Yeah. So I want to teach them they need to do something outside the boxing, outside every sport they do.
And.
If you risk your life for 20 years in boxing and then at the end of the day, five years later, you go in the same position. What's.
Right. Yeah. Do you ever get worried about my. My boxing trainer? When I work out for fun, I'm not a trainer like you, obviously, but when I box for fun a few years ago, I said, hey, you know, all these YouTube people were, like, boxing and fighting and all these people. I said, hey, would you ever train me if someone wanted to fight me? And he said, I wouldn't train you. And he was an Olympic medalist, Olympic medalist. He said, I want to train boxing. And he said, I want to train you. I said, why not? He said, just the damage that people get with their, the head injuries, you know? And he said, I've just seen too many Fighters get hit so many times and hurt themselves. Has that ever worried you about just so much head?
Better than my yep.
Right. Has everyone concerned you or what?
I always, I always, that's what I train. I train to don't get so much heat.
Yeah, you're very good. Defense.
Yeah, defense. I train so much in defense. I don't get, I don't want to get heat.
Yeah.
But, I mean, this is sport. I mean, I'm, but I can, I never worry about it. I worry about it because I've trained. I don't, I don't, I don't want to get hit, but at the end of the day, I'm there.
Yeah, it's part of the job. When you see someone like Muhammad Ali or other boxers who maybe have brain injuries who are older, does that ever worry you or concern you?
No.
Yeah.
No, because, you know, it's what I love. And at the end of the day, if something happened, it is what it is.
Right.
I had, I had, you can go in the stairs.
Fall.
Something happened, you know?
Yeah, of course. I had Mike Tyson on twice on my show, and I had Jake Paul on. I know they're fighting. I'm sure everyone's asking about it. I'm curious, who do you think would be a harder fight for you right now? Mike Tyson or Jake Paul? In a hypothetical scenario, who do you think would be tougher for you?
I think if you put them together in the ring with me, maybe it's gonna be a little complicated.
But one or the other, they're about the same. They're the same you think for you. Who do you think would win between them?
It's hard to say, but you know, it's risky for my Tyson.
Really? Yeah.
Because he's 57 and 58. I don't know.
And.
And it's. Boxing is. No, it's not a joke.
It's no joke. It's.
But, you know, I know. I get it. I get, I get, I get it. What they. Why they do this. It's a business.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're gonna fight with. 18 ounces with not bigger clubs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a business. Speaking of business, you've been getting into business more and more over the years, which I'm excited to talk about as well. Real estate, your own businesses, Canelo Energy, all these different brands that you're building. What excites you the most about business and entrepreneurship? And is it a distraction to do all that as well as fight ever?
No, no, no, no, it's a distraction because I have my correct people doing my team, everything, and I do what I need to do for my business and I care about every business I have, but I like it. I enjoy doing real estate, I enjoy being my drinks and everything I do, I really enjoy it.
Yes. What is your vision for your- United Nations, everything. You got a lot going on. What is your vision for your future after boxing? Is it to be a business leader in the world or what is the main vision that you have for business?
Yeah, that's my goal is being one of the best businessmen in the world.
Really? Yeah. Why does that excite you so much after boxing?
I just, I love to be involved in these kind of things and see how they go big and big and big and big, you know, starting with some and then grow up. I like it so much because when I was young, I saw my brother Ricardo. he put ice cream store with $5,000 and and we we build in five six months like a bring people being people being people and then he sell it for 30 $40,000 so and I saw him and I I just start learning. Start learning and I really enjoy that kind of things.
Well, that's beautiful, man. I've got three final questions for you. But again, I want to thank you for taking the time to do this. This has been exciting. This is a question I ask everyone towards the end of my conversations. It's called the Three Truths. So it's a hypothetical question. So I want you to imagine you get to live as long as you want in life. to be 100 years old or 120, whatever it is. You get to live as long as you want. You have the career you want in boxing for the next five, seven years. You become a mega billionaire in business. You do everything you want. You see your kids grow up. But at the end of the day, it's the last day of life. And you only get to share three lessons with the world from everything you've learned about boxing and and relationships and love and business. What three lessons would you share with the world on your last day of life?
I think love is a phrase one. Love. I think love is you have a lot of, a lot of that three lessons I, I want to say because love come with limits, respect and everything. But I think love, determination and believe in yourself.
Believe in yourself. How do people who feel very insecure, who don't love themselves, who don't have any skills or talents?
I think everything comes from that.
How do they learn to believe in themselves though if they don't have it?
It's very difficult because you know, it's.
Difficult.
To learn to have securing yourself because they come with a lot of problems, not from them, from the past generation.
Yes.
You know, from them, it's for the past generation. They have a lot of troubles.
From their parents.
That's why they, you acting like, because you have, you have problems that not your problems.
Yes.
Your, your generation. So it's difficult. I think with meditation is, it's possible.
It's possible because you had a lot of past problems in your, you know, in your family in the past, but.
How did you It's not your problem. Right. But meditation teach you that.
Yes.
I think meditation is one of the best things I learned.
That's beautiful, man.
Because when you're walking with that thing you carry from your past, you're acting like you're normal, but not you're carrying with problems.
From the past, yeah.
And you have a lot of problems too, because you you walking with that?
Yes, always. Are you acting? You're acting from the past too. Yeah, yeah. I've got one final question for you. But before I ask it, I want to acknowledge you, Canelo, for your generosity, for your passion, for your love, for your country, for the sport, for people, and just how you show up with consistency in your life. It's inspiring to watch. a champion, be a good person as well. I know you give back to charities in your country and you do so much good. So I acknowledge you for the loving man that you are in this world.
Thank you so much.
My final question. When you're on top of this ring with your hands raised and the flag of Mexico behind you on your last fight, four, five, six, seven years away, and it's your last moment to stand up and say Viva Mexico after a win, what is it you want your legacy to be after that last match?
One of the best in the history of boxing.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna cry that day.
That day?
Yeah. A lot. While I'm gonna miss boxing.
So, no message.
Yeah, that moment when you walk into the ring and hear all the people screaming and this singing that song you put and everything, I'm gonna. I'm gonna miss that moment. But that's life.
That's life, man. You're a legend, man. Appreciate you, Canelo. Thanks.
Brother.
We just finished with Canelo, amazing time. His English is getting better every time I see him do interviews. So it was really cool to watch him talk about love was one of the main things, how to have love in your heart for your sport, for your family, for your country, for the business that you're a part of. But he talked about love a lot, which I thought was really cool. And to see someone almost 20 years in a profession, love his sports and his career just as much and have just as much hunger as when he started almost 20 years ago is really inspiring to see. And to see how he keeps his family close, his team very close, and he doesn't have a lot of distractions. You know, he likes to train in an isolated location where there's not a lot of distractions. He likes to live in a location where he's not distracted, but just to have the most important things in his life. at all times. So I think it's really cool that at this age, this season of life, he is continually showing up, training harder than ever to be the best he can be, and he has no fear. He's not afraid to lose, he's not afraid to get hurt. He understands that comes with part of his career and what he's up to, but it doesn't hold him back from being determined to succeed and do something beautiful and great with his life. And, you know, what he said at the end, which I thought was really cool, you know, what's it gonna feel like when you win that last fight and you decide it's time to retire, where he was reflecting on how that would look after 20, 25 years plus of a career, to then feel all the emotions rushing in on that last fight. So had a beautiful time, amazing inspiration. with the greatest of all time, Canelo. I hope today's episode inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a rundown of today's show with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me as well as ad-free listening experience, make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel on Apple Podcasts. If you enjoyed this, please share it with a friend over on social media or text a friend, leave us a review over on Apple podcast, and let me know what you learned over on our social media channels at Lewis Howes. I really love hearing the feedback from you and it helps us continue to make the show better. And if you want more inspiration from our world class guests and content to learn how to improve the quality of your life, then make sure to sign up for the Greatness Newsletter and get it delivered right to your inbox over at greatness.com/newsletter. And if no one has told you today, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. And now it's time to go out there and do something great. Not sure if you have the experience.
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