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Well, I'm going to answer it in two ways, and this is not separate from this conversation we're having about human divinity. And I'm going to tie back into what we're now exploring. I just want to give context and structure here. We're exploring, getting into the nitty gritty of the power of human divinity and why we want it and what happens if we give it away. If we give our humanness away, we no longer have the abilities that I'm going to share right now. So this is, it's part of the conversation. First of all, when someone feels that, it's always good to get it checked out because you don't know. You cannot determine, unless it's happened in the past and you recognize this is exactly what happened in the past, you really can't- that's terrifying. It's scary. It is. And fortunately we live in a city where we had, it's a small Santa Fe, New Mexico. It's not a big 80,000 people. you know, it's not a big community, but we had, and I had good medical care. To answer the question, we have to understand what's really happening. Every emotion that we've ever had in our lives from the moment, even before we emerged into the world through the birth canal while we're still in the womb, every emotion that we're having has a chemical equivalent that is called Candace Pert was the first Harvard trained medical physician that linked emotion in chemicals in the body and in a scientific way.

Wow.

I had the honor of knowing her before she passed in 2013. She wrote a book called Molecules of Emotion. I'm sure a lot of your viewers are familiar with that. And she identified these chemicals are called neuropeptides. Neuropeptides typically will be created by the emotion and they metabolize through the body, no big deal. Unless we're having an emotion that we can't resolve. Then the neuropeptides, our bodies are so smart, the neuropeptides will stay in the body. The body will actually store the neuropeptides. And this is where it gets really interesting. In the organs, tissues, and glands that we associate with our trauma. And everyone has trauma. And everyone's trauma, your trauma, you might have a trauma, and I'd look at it and say, what's the big deal? Because my filters I would interpret it differently, or I would have a trauma and, and you would look at it and say, come on, Greg, you know, suck it up and get over it because your filters are different, but we all have trauma and it's personalized and those neuropeptides will stay with us 10 minutes or 70 years until we have the tools to resolve the, the, the trauma. Sometimes they'll give you a little nudge to let you know they're still there. It might be a little irritation, might be a rash in the body or inflammation or swelling and, and we will take a pill or put on a cream to make the symptom go away, but that neuropeptide is still there. And then they'll say, well, maybe you need a little bit more of a nudge. And then we start developing symptoms of things that we call illness and disease. But this is so fascinating to me because the science is showing us rarely do our bodies break. Rarely do we have illness and disease. in the way we think we have it. What we are experiencing is our body in the presence of the conditions, the epigenetic conditions that we've given it to work with. It can be nutrition, it can be environment. And the most powerful environment is the emotional environment. Over 90% is the emotional environment. So rather than saying our bodies are broken, which ruins the trust that we have in our bodies, it's useful to say, What am I giving my body to work with? What is the environment? The emotion, and sometimes emotional environment is a subconscious. In my case, it was subconscious. I had a subconscious fear of not being safe because I wasn't when I was a child.

Even though you were in your late 60s at that point and you were an adult and you could logically say, well, I have resources, I have protection, I have a home, I have money, I have safety, But the little boy in you didn't feel safe.

Exactly. Well, it makes sense because the first seven years average, first seven years of a human life, we are in an altered state of consciousness. It's actually called a hypnagogic state, is the term that psychologists use where we have very few, if any, filters. We are absorbing behavior patterns from our caregivers. This is nature's way. of preparing us for life. Nature believes that we're going to be in the same environment that our parents are. So we learn from our parents how to deal with conflict and how to treat people that you like and how to treat people you don't like, and we mimic them. We do. Consciously and subconsciously, those are consciously, those are the programs up until the age of seven. The Jesuits knew this. Maybe you've had other speakers talk about this. They would say, Give us your sons, because it was a male organization. Give us your sons until the age of seven, and they'll be ours forever. Wow. So what they meant, give them to us for the first seven years. They can go home to you, but they won't want to because they will be indoctrinated into the patterns of the Jesuits and their home life will no longer make sense. That's an example of how powerful those first seven years of life are.

It's the programming, right?

It's the programming. So the neuropeptides, can stay in the body as long as they need to. And there are techniques, breathwork techniques, heart-brain coherence. You know, my brother Joe Dispenza taught, he and I have taught together and we use these techniques. There are all kinds of body EFT and, you know, body memory therapy, and that's a whole conversation, but there are a lot of ways to resolve that. And it's fascinating to me because when we do resolve them, through a breathwork session, for example. Those neuropeptides are made of chemicals in the body and elements, minerals, and you'll actually begin to taste metallic taste in your mouth or your urine. Your urine will smell funny because it's not the typical urine. It's these are chemicals and, or your tears or your perspiration will taste different and it'll smell different. You'll sweat and you'll smell different. when you're going through this, because now those neuropeptides are metabolizing through the body, through body secretion.

Processing and so on.

Body secretion. So it's tears, perspiration, saliva, sexual fluids, feces, all of those things is how we release. Wow. Isn't that fascinating? This goes back to the power human divinity is the part of us that's timeless, it's ageless, it's all knowing. it is the part of us where our healing begins. And what the science is showing is that divinity doesn't live. Those patterns don't live in our bodies. This is where it gets really, really interesting. It was already interesting. Now it's going to get really, really interesting. They don't live in the cells of our bodies. The cells of our bodies, the neurons, the DNA and the cell membranes, literally are antenna. that tune us to an energetic place in a field that underlies all existence that we now know science confirmed it in the year 2012 at the CERN superconducting super collider. They actually announced it on July 4th in America, fourth of July 2012, that there is a field that underlies all existence. 2022, the Nobel Prize in Peace and no, in physics, the Nobel Prize in physics was given to the physicists that confirmed that in this field, everything's connected. Entanglement. Really? Is what it's called.

What is this field that we're living in?

It's an energetic field. And we are that field. Every human, the average human is about 50 trillion cells in the body, approximately, give or take. You've got more cells than I do, 'cause you're taller than I am.

Oh, wow.

And every one of those 50 trillion cells has about 100 trillion atoms. And every one of those atoms is doing this. It's emerging from that field and collapsing into that field every nanosecond of the day, like right this nanosecond. And as it emerges from the field, it is building our bodies to fit the template that we hold in our consciousness. That's crazy of who we are. And this is why healing is possible. This is why spontaneous healing is possible when we change the way we think and the way we feel. We change that blueprint, we change the template, and that information will now fill in a new and healthier blueprint. And this is all very well documented. I mean, the science knows the bits and pieces. Science is reluctant to bring them together because it tells a story that many scientists are reluctant to embrace.

What's that?

The story is that we are not what we've been told. We're more than we've been led to believe. And that is the essence of why I've written this book. I'm going to answer that question for you right now. What I'm going to say is this, Louis, there's something inside of us, we humans, that is so powerful, it is so beautiful, it is so ancient, it is so precious, that there are organizations in the world today, and there always have been societies in the past, that will go to any length to shield us from that part of ourselves, because that's where we find our power. Yeah. When we are in our power, we are less vulnerable to fear. And fear, I think you'll agree, is probably the greatest commodity in a world that is moving toward authoritarian, the ability to create authority and centralize that authority in the world. that is our divinity. This is why we are the prize. We are literally the prize. And I want to make this conversation relevant to our viewers because so many people, they write to us and we see the comments and say, okay, you know, these conversations are cool. What's it have to do with the world?

And what's it have to do with.

My life right now? Yeah, that was the world out there. So here's, here's what it has to do with the world that we're living in. That part of us that is so beautiful, powerful. Ancient, precious, is the reason for everything we're seeing happening in the world. Those powers that be will stop at nothing to distract us and keep us diverted. Nations will go to war with nations. Economic systems will be collapsed. Pandemics will be unleashed. Climate will be engineered. Nations will rise and fall, all in an effort to distract us.

Wow.

Because we are the prize. The human body is the prize because our humanness is the link to our divinity. This is why I began talking about an ancient battle. There is an ancient battle between good and evil. And evil means different things to different people. But the ultimate evil is to shield a human from their divinity when we are kept from our divine nature, our ability to love fearlessly. to forgive, to heal, to imagine, to innovate, to create. That is a form of evil. And that's a form that is playing out right now. And this 2030 window of time is the window of time when it is proposed that our humanness, our biology be replaced with technology, with AI, with computer chips, chemicals in the blood that mimic the systems that we do with synthetics, computer chips in the brain, linking us to the computers now. And it's a very different way of thinking. Now, I'm a systems thinker. So I look at the big picture so that I understand where the nanosecond of my life fits into that big picture. And then I let it go. We don't have to know any of this, but I want people to know that what we're seeing, and it's not a crazy world. It's insane. It's not crazy. There is a method. There's a system. There's a process and it won't last forever. It's this little window of time where you're seeing the powers that be jockey for position and our humanness is a problem.

Wow.

Because we are such powerful beings and nobody's telling our kids that. Our kids are being told that they're flawed forms of life, that they need something outside of themselves to be the best version themselves and to compete in business and compete in the world. So our kids are willing to give themselves away to virtual reality, to computer chips. I mean, I had some young people in one of my courses earlier, it was in the summer, and we were talking about Neuralink, the chip that the FDA just approved from Elon Musk. This is his company. And it allows a human without any wires at all to communicate directly with the hard drive on their computer. Here's these young kids in the room and they're saying, this is cool. They're saying, Mr. Braiden. And I said, no, please, gray. And they said, okay, gray. I said, I'm only 70. I'm not a Mr. Braiden yet. They said, are you telling me that all I have to do is put a computer chip in my brain and I can play Grand Theft Auto with no wires, no controls, no controls, no controls, sweet. Or there's some other words they use, but the term- Right, right, right. Sweet was a lot of it. because they don't realize the biological imperative. There is an adage in biology that says use it or lose it. Perfect example. When I was back in the 50s and 60s, I was taught, and you probably were when you were young as well, that we were born with a fixed number of neurons in the human brain. And so this was leverage in college. When you're in college, every beer you drink, you're gonna lose some neurons, so you better not drink too many beers. This is what they're saying. But now we know, up until the last breath, the hippocampus in the human brain is creating new neurons. But there's a catch. Every time those neurons are created, they must be engaged in a meaningful way within about seven days where they will atrophy and die. So that is true for all the systems in the body. We are a biological system that works on demand. If we don't use our systems, then they begin to atrophy. So you begin to replace the human brain with computer chips. Or here's a study, an actual study that was done. Young kids, three, four, five years old, get up in the morning, they eat their bowl of Cheerios or whatever it is, their parents sit them on the floor with an AI visor, and they leave them there for a few hours. And here's what's happening. In that AI world, they're seeing stuff they would never see in their backyard with their eyes. Wow. Yeah. they're hearing sounds, they're seeing images, colors. And what is happening, this has gone on long enough now that psychologists are able to do the studies. Those young people are, their physical stature is demented, their brain size is stunted, their cognitive development is stunted, their visual cortex is enlarged because look at what they're doing. They are simply watching rather than engaging in creating. When you and I were kids, I mean, we'd go out, we'd take a blanket off the bed.

-By the fireside.

-Yeah, we'd make holes in the backyard. Yeah, yeah. We make a tent and make a fort, and all of a sudden we've got a fort and we're using our imagination. They're not doing, they're just watching it all done for them. And so the psychology magazines are actually showing that, and that can all be reversed through epigenetics. So they're not lost, but it's showing that it's not harmless. There is an impact, there is an effect. And it's another example. When our biology is replaced with technology, the gift of our humanness begins to atrophy in many different ways in one generation. Next generation comes along through epigenetics now, it's passed down and the body says, oh, you know, we don't do those functions anymore. We used to, but it's a vestige of our past because now we've got a chemical to create the immunity in our bodies, for example. And that's something that's actually proposed, you know, right now. Right now, policies are being written, laws are being enacted to implement many of these technologies in our bodies. And the term, there's a general term for this, Louis, it's called transhumanism. Trans simply means beyond. And human is our biology, so it's beyond our biology. I did an interview recently and someone asked, I said, well, isn't this a part of our natural evolution? It's not. Not a part of our natural biological evolution. It is a form of a technological evolution that's not good for us. It's not good for us humans because we lose the very essence of what it is that we cherish in our humanity. We lose our ability to love. Forgive. Sympathy, empathy, compassion. We lose the ability to discern rather than judge. We're taught to judge, but the healing comes from our ability to discern. We lose all of those things when we begin to give our humanness away. So we've just covered a whole lot of ground. I'm going to come back. There's a concerted effort right now in these next few years to diminish the power of our humanness. One of the ways that's being accomplished is by us either being encouraged or mandated. Some of the policies will be mandates coming from the UN through our United States Congress. They're going the legal route to accept technology into our bodies to replace our humanness. When we do that, we relinquish that precious ancient and sacred gift that we were given when the first of our kind stepped onto this planet 200,000 years ago. You know, we've only been here 10,000 generations.

Wow.

200,000 years, not that long. And we were given these abilities given to no other form of life. And now we're being taught and indoctrinated to believe that we are flawed, powerless victims, of a world that we have no control over and that we need something outside of us. So the flip side of this now, in the new science, and this is exciting, is showing us, wow, that we are literally a highly advanced, technologically sophisticated, soft technology. Neurons, one of the reasons that science is beginning to think of us, maybe some of your guests have talked about this, is that we've been conditioned to think of our biology as this soft, gooey, sticky, wet stuff inside the cells. And that is one way of thinking of us, but now scientists are looking at us from a perspective of information technology. These are IT perspectives. And so the discoveries, they're not showing up in biology books, they're showing up in engineering journals like IEEE, and these These engineering, who's reading those? I mean, my community's not reading.

Sure.

But let me just give you an example. There was the Journal of Advanced Computing Technology, which I don't read and most of my colleagues don't as well, unless we're researching a book or something. Came out with an article and it showed that human DNA is literally a fractal antenna is the term that they use. So what's that mean? We think of antennas being tuned to something very specific, like a specific TV station or radio station or, you know, CB station or whatever. Fractal antenna are receiving multiple signals from a broad spectrum of bandwidth simultaneously. We're pulling in information from the world around us all the time across this broad spectrum. we're transducing it into meaningful signals in our bodies. That's a very different way of thinking of the human body. So I'll just run through this really quick. What the science is showing, 50 trillion cells in the body. Every cell is a miniature, a micro circuit. It's a gated circuit is what engineers call it. It's got input, output, all the functions within our cells. They function as transistors, as resistors, as capacitors that are massaging that information. Every cell has a voltage of about 0.07 volts. Say, well, that's not very much, but you do the math. 50 trillion times 0.07 is over 3 billion, over 3 trillion volts of 3.5 trillion volts of electrical potential, which is- In our bodies. In our bodies. Now, we don't actualize it all the time, but what if you could harness that for your own healing or to optimize optimize cognition, optimize whatever it is we're going to do in our lives. But it doesn't stop there because we're receiving photons of information. We're transmitting photons of information. We already said the DNA in our bodies, our DNA stores information. And let me just use the terminology and see if you've heard this before. The DNA in our bodies stores every successful genetic transaction. in our species in a way that's transparent, it is immutable and it's secure. And if that sounds familiar, it should, because that is the basis for what is the new financial system of the world, the decentralized financial system we call blockchain technology. Blockchain technology mimics the way information is stored in the DNA of our body. Really? So once again, I'm saying all this that we build around this is mirroring what we already do in our bodies. They compared a human brain to a microprocessor, the Salk Institute in La Jolla is where this actually, I'm doing this from memory, Salk Institute in La Jolla. And the way they did it for our techie engineers out there is they equated the synapse in the human brain between neurons to the transistors on a chip. And interestingly, the numbers are very similar. On a modern microprocessor, it's about the same number of synapses we have in the brain. Then they did the studies and what they found is the human brain is a hundredfold faster than the processor.

Wow.

Here's the beauty of where this goes. All of those computer chips, man, they're fast, they're accurate, hands down, but are they scalable? They can only scale as far as the limit of the physics of the stuff they're made of allow. So if it's a silicon chip, the atoms are in predetermined geometric patterns that make silicon, and information can only move so fast across those. Interesting. So fast, yes. Efficient, yes. Scalable, not so much. Now, human neurons, every time they push a human neuron to the edge of the limit that has been accepted in the textbooks, We do what humans do. The neurons morph and they adapt and open up an entire new vista of processing capability and we do this again and again and again. What is the upper limit of a human neuron? We don't know. We may be infinite when it comes to scalability. That's soft technology.

How do we manifest something that we really want or desire in our life? When there are parts of us that have completely traumatized and ruined our lives, is there an ability to create the life we desire and want without healing or transforming traumas and pain that ruins us and cripples us still?

We manifest what we believe. So if we are stuck in a Core wound, traumatized story, neural loop of fight, flight, freeze. We're living in a way where we're so afraid or blocked because of those core belief systems. What ends up happening is that no matter how hard we try to manifest, no matter how much we deepen spiritually or how much we Hold the vision like you said, right? And have the intention. Things may show up because your focus is redirected, but then it may show up and you can't keep it, or it falls apart, or things just aren't in the flow. And that lack of flow is often truly because of the core wounds from our very early, early, early years. And so my, it's funny, this is my most therapeutic book. I went and I got trained in internal family systems therapy. It's a therapy that I've used for a decade, and with my own therapist, it's coming up on a decade, maybe nine years now. And then I got trained in the model, and I was so moved by it that I wrote this more therapeutic book. Now, while this is my most therapeutic self-help book, it's very spiritual too, but it's probably the most important manifesting book. Not because it's got lessons on manifesting, but because the secret to truly manifesting what you desire is to heal the beliefs that block those desires. Period.

So if we believe that we are.

Not worthy of something.

What are we.

Saying about ourselves and what's possible for us?

Well, most people, I think, are walking through life with beliefs of being unworthy, unlovable, inadequate, not good enough. Maybe they feel worthy in one area of their life, but they're completely blocked in another. And so the areas in our life where we lack that confidence and that clarity and that connection and that calmness that you talked about when you were manifesting the house, sort of like the just relax, knowing it'll come if it's meant to be. The places in our life where we don't have that are the places where we have the most wounds. If you were to say, okay, I'm really great at attracting things into my career, but my relationships, I'm just a show. Okay, well, what is the core wound that's tied to those relationships? What happened to you as a child? What do you know about relationships? Was there trauma there? And this is sort of Self-Help 101 or Therapy 101. We all kind of understand this on a kind of in the periphery. We're like, oh yeah, I get that. This thing happened to me and then I'm gonna hold onto it. But this book is like, No, no, no, no. The life you're experiencing is a result of the roles that you play, the parts that you play each and every single day. The world is like this theatrical event that we show up for on a day-to-day basis. And the parts of us that show up are different characters in our life.

That's interesting.

These extreme parts, these addicted parts, these fearful parts. So we're like lots of different actors in the show that is our life.

It sounds like every human being is kind of schizophrenic or has multiple personality types.

So in IFS, Internal Family Systems Therapy, I'm gonna break this down, so we can talk around it. Let's just break it down from the get go. Okay, so my gift in this lifetime is to just simplify big ideas. And so, and my gift to Dick Schwartz, who's one of my cherished friends, the founder of IFS, is to take his extraordinary body of work that healed my life and to translate it and demystify it from- Simplify it, yeah. Simplify it and democratize it. So here we are. Internal Family Systems therapy is not about your external family. It's about an inner family of parts of us. So we have these lots of little children inside.

Which sounds crazy to think about.

It does and it doesn't. Let me keep it simple, right? Have you ever said a part of me gets really outraged when Marta does this, or a part of me flips out when I can't control something?

Sure, sure.

Yeah, yes. You're kind of familiar with those parts of yourself. You even said it earlier, a part of me is really, I don't even know if you said a part of me, maybe, but you're like, I can be really impatient.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Impatience is a part, right? And these parts of us, often the extreme ones, are protection mechanisms. So the controlling aspects, the managing of the day-to-day things that we have to get done, the perfectionism, the, the overthinking, the playing small, these extreme roles that we play in momentary situations in our life, or really sometimes all day, every day, are protection mechanisms. So if you look at your life and you're saying, okay, there's parts of me that I don't like, or there's parts of me or ways I act out that feel extreme, or there's behaviors that I have that I just can't kick, addiction, overeating, drinking, and you see these things that you do, these behaviors that you have that you just don't know how to change. It's because they're very, very young parts of yourself. They've been around for a very long time. They haven't grown up yet. They never got a chance to grow up these parts of you.

And they never- and where do these.

Parts of us live? Okay, so let me get this, let.

Me keep it simple.

So they keep coming back to the simplicity, okay? Like I'm putting my, okay, let's keep it simple.

How many parts of us does each.

Individual- you- can have many, many parts of us. So let's keep it simple. So very young, we grow up where we come into this world, we're like these perfect little people. We're so happy, everything's beautiful. Hopefully we enter the world in a safe, peaceful way. And from a very young age, we start to experience the burdens of the world, a parent that doesn't have a strong attachment. In the case for you and myself, having sexual abuse as children. So sometimes it could be extreme traumas like that, or it could be something along the lines of being bullied in the classroom, or Being told that you're stupid by your teacher. These moments in time are so extreme for our child brains to process. We don't have the resources, we don't have the brain capacity, and oftentimes we don't have the parents or caregivers to help us process these extreme disturbances.

They don't have the tools either to teach us.

Or in the case of you and me, we don't have anyone to tell. Right.

Right?

Or we're too afraid to tell. Or in my case, I dissociated, didn't even have the memory. Right? And so what do we do? We build up protection mechanisms. For me, one of those protection mechanisms was straight up dissociation. Like left my body, like just dissociated from reality. For others, it could be, and this is young, at a young, young age, you know, it could be, okay, this thing happened to you as a child, and all of a sudden you go into this extreme protection mechanism of trying to be perfect because you had this shameful experience. So perfection makes you feel safe. or you, give my son for an example. I have a six year old son. When he was three years old, he was in a Montessori program, and so it was three to six year olds. There was a six year old in his class and he was just out of diapers. And that six year old was sort of like, you know, who is this three year old? I want to make friends with him. I mean, it was just get away from the boss. And at a very young age, Ollie learned, like, I gotta be the boss. 'Cause that was so extreme. This kid is bigger. I wanna be like him. He hates me. He tells me he hates me. He tells me to leave him alone. Which is, kids are mean. But my little boy has this thing of, I gotta be the boss. So he's got this misguided belief, I need to be a boss. So what does he do? He walks around with his Nerf gun, you know, and he walks around with his shooter, and he's like, I'm the boss. You know, this is like little innocent six year old, but he wants to be the boss because he's protecting himself from that feeling from three years old. Okay? I watched this whole part develop in a person. So an extreme thing happens, big or small, in the case of Ollie, it was a six year old.

Right?

In the case of me, it was, it was something much more extreme. Hopefully Holly never has to experience that. But whatever it is, we have extreme experiences and we exile them. We exile them. Those are called exiled parts of us.

Exiled parts.

These are the little young traumatized children that had nowhere to go, no one to care for them, no one to support them. And we said, I'm gonna lock that up. Send them into the basement. Don't ever talk to that person, see that part of me ever again. And at three years old, five years old, whatever it is, we start to decide, I'm going to do this to protect myself from feeling this. So Ollie is the perfect example. I got bullied. I'm going to start to be the boss so that I never have to feel that fear again of that bully.

Right.

So we have, we, and does everyone build these defense mechanisms?

Everyone.

It's just, they look different for each person.

Yeah. and then lots of different protectors. And there's two types of protectors. So, Remi, you're still tracking with me here. I know you are. I just wanna make sure that the audience is still tracking with me. I'm gonna take this slow. So exiled parts of the young traumatized little children don't wanna feel those feelings. So they're too extreme, right, Louis? It's like, how could a child, you can't understand it. Your brain's not able to process it. Most adult brains are, don't have the ability to process that. Or most parents would say, you,'re fine, you're fine. just gets shut down.

Yes.

If you even did bring it to somebody, you'd be shut down, right? Especially with, or in cases of, you know, real extreme trauma, you don't feel safe enough to talk about it. Shut it down. Then you build up these protection mechanisms, protector parts. There's two types of protector parts. But in my book, I really just focus on one type. So we'll focus, we'll stay close to that. There's managers and firefighters. And so the managers are who we talk about in the book, because the firefighters are who I want people to go to therapy to work with. But the managers are the control free, you know, for me, I'm just gonna to name my managers, you know, likeke one movie like, Knives Out is another one I named, like, if you keep with me,m like knives are out, you know, like, may destroy you that's the manage vigilance, Thats the manager for me. Um, just sort of like, um, anxiety was kind of a manager for me. Think about anxiety, right? If I'm anxious and I'm, you know, moving, moving, moving so fast. Like when you first met me, totally out of my body, hadn't remembered the trauma yet, totally scared. My wife's gonna cry when I think about that time, you know? That anxiety was actually a form of protection.

Of course.

Because if I'm in anxious state, I don't have to feel the horror and the fear and terror of that other state. So that's a manager, the parts of us that are with us all day long, managing the big feelings of the Exile. Okay. And then when the managers don't work anymore, like, let's say something very big happens in your life, something extreme, and the managing is no longer working. That's when the firefighters come in. The firefighters will do whatever it takes to put out the fire of those impermissible feelings. And that's when you pick up the drugs, pick up the workaholism, pick up the alcohol, the sex, the porn, the binging, the extreme addictive parts of ourselves. And those are the most extreme parts of us are the ones that are working the hardest to keep us safe from those feelings. And then there's good news. You ready for the good news?

Yeah.

We all have an inner parent inside of us. So those are all the young children inside, right? The exiles, the managers, The firefighters, right? The protectors and the exiles. They're all like running our world, right? Where like one trigger happens, this protector shows up. Another trigger happens, it's like protector to protector. It's like a boxing match all day long. Walking through life- Exhausting. Exhausting. Why do people have burnout? Why do people have stress? Why do people have- Chronic pain. Chronic pain. Of course, there's a whole chapter in the book called Body Parts, how the body, like physical pain, is a protector.

Yes.

Like if I have a back pain, I don't have to feel my childhood wounds. We're gonna get into that. But the good news is that we all have what Dick Schwartz has coined, self with a capital S, and self is our adult, undamaged, resourced part of who we are. It's the truth of who we are. It's the spirit of who we are. It's the God within us. It is an energy, and self has eight C qualities. Compassion, calm, connection, creativity, courage, clarity, commitment. I'm missing one. I don't even know if it's a, I always miss a C. Like any, and they're, they're all in there. So, and, and connectedness, I think I got to them. We'll, we'll find the eight C's in the book and we'll get these questions answered.

Yes, curiosity, compassion, calmness, clarity, creativity, connectedness, courage, and confidence.

You know what's so funny? Confidence is the one I always miss. But it's the one that I often feel we're quite connected to, so I won't forget confidence anymore. There you go. So I'm gonna really try to keep it simple.

So just think about it like you.

Have an inner parent. -So everyone has an inner parent. -We all do. And let's just keep it simple. Let's keep it super simple. You know those times in your life when, let's say Marta came to you and she was really struggling with something, and you just, your heart was filled up with compassion. No matter how extreme the thing that happened to her, you just felt connected to her. You were a calm presence for her. You had deep compassion for her experience. You had clarity on how to communicate. You felt like you had the courage to speak up for what was true. And that really just, it wasn't even what you said, but it was that presence alone that helped her. Yes. You know what I'm talking about.

Yes, of course.

That's self energy.

With a capital S. With a capital.

S. And the thing is-- the adult self. It's your true self. It's your essence. There's a really beautiful quote in the book that I share that's about how self is like the sun behind the clouds, and it's there, but the clouds are just in the way. So self is always been there, right? You feel self in Shavasana, you feel self after a long run, you feel self, We're in self right now. Like this is our creative force, right? We're in the flow. Like we have so much connection, we have so much creativity, right? We have clarity about what we're talking about. This is self energy right here. Like if you're watching and you're feeling elevated, excited, calm, soothed, that's because our self energy is coming through the screen or through the audio. And so we all have it. It's that we've, we have to release.

The blocks to the presence of it.

Mm.

And how we release the blocks is how. So, is that through the core beliefs of like understanding the whole thing? It's a four step practice that I.

Put in the book.

It's a four step practice.

Okay.

Yeah.

The whole book. So what I've done is I've taken this huge therapy, internal family systems therapy, super in the zeitgeist right now. God bless. It's the most valuable healing modality, particularly for trauma. And it's the kind of thing that I felt only people that were gonna find their way to a IFS therapist were gonna get this. I was sitting at a dinner with Dick Schwartz. I hosted a dinner for him just again. He's the founder of IFS. Started this about 40, 43 years ago, 44 years ago. And I was sitting next to Dick and this was shortly after I'd taken the training and we'd become friends. And I looked at him and we're at a dinner. I'm hosting for him. And it's like having Lady Gaga at my house. And I look at him and I'm like, I don't have to tell you something. I'm like, I'm scared to tell you this, but I wanna write a book. called self-help, self-help. And I wanna make IFS self-help. And he looked at me, his eyes just like widened. And he was like, I've always wanted somebody to do that. And in the forward, he says, you know, I've always been looking for that person with the self-help, spiritual bonafides and then Gabby's here.

Wow, that's cool.

And so that's one of the greatest privileges of my life is to take someone else's body of work and translate it. Right.

And you created a four-step process.

The four-step is not IFS. It's an IFS informed self-help practice. And that's really important for me to say, Louis, because if you're going into IFS therapy, you have a therapist with you, you're doing a six-step inquiry, almost like an interview with the parts. It's like an unburdening process. You can work with firefighters and exiles. I am not doing that. I am not a therapist. I'm a spiritual self-help author and teacher. I am trained in internal family systems therapy, but I'm not a therapist. So it was really important for me to take this and make it IFS informed.

Yes.

So there's four steps.

IFS approved.

IFS approved, IFS informed. It's backed with Dick's blessing, and it's the way that you can take this model into your own hands. safely. Safely is a really important point.

Yes.

Because I'm not trying to guide you to those exiled parts. The book is not trying to work with firefighters. That would be, and I say all throughout the book, like if this happens, if you want to fire, you're with a firefighter, there's an exil, go, you're an IFS therapist registry, go find somebody. But I'm trying to help you access these managers. the extreme parts that are with you all the time, day to day, and through a four-step inquiry, let self-help.

Okay.

So let me know when you're ready for that.

Yeah, I'm ready to go.

I feel like I'm just so excited about this. This is my first real interview about this, so it's very thrilling to me. Questions before I go on?

Well, there's something you said in chapter three about core beliefs, because I think a lot of people hear about their behaviors and beliefs, and that we have this a block based on our beliefs, whether that's a childhood belief or a current belief as an adult. And you say that the hard truth is that although we can make surface level adjustments to our actions, true change can only happen when we heal from within and address the core beliefs that block us from manifesting the life we desire.

So I guess would this four step.

Process help us address the core beliefs that are blocking us in a manifesting what we want?

Exactly.

And if so, then what is that process?

Okay, so first of all, 100%. That's exactly the answer. This is the four step process. The other thing is, is how many personal development programs have we sat in where someone's like, oh, you have limiting beliefs and the limiting beliefs are blocking you. But then you're like, how the do I get rid of these limiting beliefs, right? like, you never leave and you're like, okay, I know the Playbook, right? For changing. Maybe you have a little tip here or manifesting tool there. And look, you know, I've, I've written, this is my 10th book, so I have nine other books with other practices which all work, all are valuable, all have their own purpose, right? Particularly spiritual practices in these other books. And they all are bringing you to self, for sure. But this is addressing the actual Neural redirection in the brain. Because when you practice this four step method, what's happening is you're rewiring your experience and your relationship to these parts of who you are.

So you're connecting higher self currently to the self that was destructive or harmed or the manager.

To the parts.

The parts. The manager or firefighter parts of you.

That's correct, baby.

That cause stress or anxiety or control or perfectionism or whatever it might be.

You'Re taking all these little people inside of you that have these belief systems that are holding you back, and you're bringing the internal parent of self to them to help them.

What is the biggest challenge with having success, fame, and money at a young age?

I think anecdotally it's the feeling of, have I peaked? Because there's always that feeling of, why is this coming? Sometimes there's a I deal with the question of why is this coming easily? Why is this coming easily? You know, I've had-- I've just felt very lucky in that I wasn't the kid that woke up and said I had to be an actor. For me, it was, I have a creative urge and instinct. I started in print and commercials. I said no to auditioning for my first movie when I was seven because I'm like, I love print and commercials. commercials, I go play. Like I play and half the time I'm playing with my family.

Just taking photos mostly.

Yeah, I'm taking photos or a commercial like you're hula hooping, you're biking, you're just doing different things. And so when I had done my first movie at seven, I think what it unlocked in me again wasn't even the instinct of oh I have to do this for the rest of my life, but was that was a lot of fun. I learned how to ice skate, I got to make pancakes, I got to work with these cool people. That was super fun. And I think Because again, I've always had this diversity of interests. In some ways, as much as I think every actor, and I'm always dealing with rejection and misdirection, it's come kind of easy in that I'm like, I've gotten to go to school and be on a show. That's unheard of. And they made it happen. After a call, it took a lot of work, but after a call, they were on board. There was no convincing that had to happen. I think if it wasn't for COVID, they were going to move the entire shooting schedule to the summer. So I just had an unencumbered year. Again, unheard of. And that comes from everybody from the president of ABC to the president of Signature to the president of... Wow.

To the line producer all working in tandem. Do you ever feel like guilty for.

How easy it's been? I think that's the flip side feeling of like, is this right? Is this right that it comes with ease? But I think I've started to realize ease is the alignment. And it's because...

It should. There should be ease.

Yeah, when there's alignment, there's ease. And I think the thing I've been in my family has always been is pretty discerning. There's still ways to become more discerning, but I think it's like, oh, some of the ease is because there's been such a discernment of pretty immediately. Like, oh, that's not for us.

Right.

You haven't said yes to every shiny opportunity. You've been like, no, no, no, this is for us.

We're gonna do this.

I like this.

And I mean, there have been challenges within that, but for the most part, I'm like, the fact that macro, I'm not walking out with any crazy stories about being on set as a child actor. I'm not walking out with any crazy traumas from 10 years on set. Like, I'm like, how lucky.

When you're hearing all these other child.

Actors coming out about-- all these other stories, you know, I have a family that takes pride in us as individuals, both me and my brother's handling our money and having a grasp of money management. never had a fear that one day it's gonna be gone, 'cause I know where it all is.

You know how many money wounds or traumas, huh?

I was doing an interview about money yesterday and they were like, so what were your money troubles? And I'm like, you gotta see how I was raised. Again, I feel so lucky. I was raised with a family that was so intentional about being like, we want you to feel in charge and autonomous and we're here to guide you. But I was going, mommy set it up so I'd go make friends with accounting at Black-ish and I'd go pick up my check every week where typically you don't see it as an actor, it gets sent to your team. and then you see kind of the end result. I got to see it. I got to see how much the percentages were. I got to see what the taxes were, and I was able to check. I remember one time there was the wrong amount on my check, and I was savvy enough at 14 to be like, hey, this isn't the right amount. We're like, oh yeah, you're right. So I'm saying, again, it is easy to feel guilty to be like, why have I had it so good in the general scheme of things? And I really couldn't tell you why, but I think I'm coming to terms with the fact that even on this road to self-discovery, I do have to say I've known myself pretty well. And so, -Interesting. -I'm realizing that some of this is the result of having known myself and continuing to learn myself.

Yeah, well, it sounds like your parents have been an amazing foundation for you for knowing yourself, being yourself, empowering you to step into yourself.

-It'S like a quirky, you know, -JEN: it's amazing. -KRISTIN: like it did not Not crossing my mind.

It's interesting that the first thing we talked about, I don't know if it was when we were rolling or right before, you mentioned how you want to learn how to build mental fortitude and how to overcome challenges.

Yeah.

Is it feel like, I mean, because it kind of sounds like from your perspective, what I'm hearing is that you haven't had a lot of challenges in your life. Like it's come pretty easily. I'm sure you've had to, yeah, work 18 hour days and fly back and forth from Harvard to LA and do like, work at a high level, but not a lot of extreme adversities is what I'm hearing. Is that what I'm hearing?

Yeah, I think, I mean, part of.

It, intense work and effort, but not extreme adversities.

Yeah. And I think for me, there are two things I realize. One, I think I minimize maybe some of the challenges I do face.

We're also dealing with a lot of.

Pressures from just being in the industry, and all these different things to challenge.

Yeah, it's funny. I think some of it is that, because I've moved through it, eventually sometimes I think my ability to look back with the rose colored lenses, I'm like, no challenges.

Yeah, wasn't that hard?

Yeah, yeah. Mind you, while we were in it, deeply challenging. So some of it is that I do know I'm minimizing past challenges.

Okay.

And I'm trying to come to terms with just being more honest with that. But I think some of it too is just knowing, again, coming back to the cause and effect thing, so many things happen to good people, So many, yeah, so many things you can't account for. It has nothing to do with how morally upstanding you are, has nothing to do with how many resources you have, what you have, what you don't have. And I think maybe it's just, maybe it's hitting my quarter life crisis a little, a couple months early. But I think I hear stories of what people go through, whether it's family members passing, certain things like that. And I go, Would I be willing, would I be not able to overcome, willing to overcome? I think I have the capacity to do things, but I'm like, do I have the willingness to see a challenge and push through it? I'm always, part of it comes from just my genuine amazement of the courage that people muster in times that feel almost impossible, at least outside looking in. So maybe some of it, it just, it comes from that space of like, I'm truly amazed. I can't wrap my mind around it when I hear other people's stories of what made you double down and push through these hard moments? Again, part of why we started the podcast was being like, I want to hear. What did make you go through that? And it's been really clarifying to me because I think it almost felt like there's some sort of magical alchemy that I couldn't name that's happening versus like, no, it's a mixture of human perseverance and the fact that hopefully, God willing, the traits that you need come to you when you need them, the qualities that you need come to you when you need them. And so that's helping me make sense of it. But I think for me, I'm like, what is the mental fortitude regimen that helps us as young people just continue to build a sense of not even just discipline in terms of schedule, but discipline in terms of being like, I know what my mind is doing. I'm kind of aware of it.

That's interesting.

I'm able move through this. I'm able to move through the inevitable losses, we're going to deal with challenges, we're going to deal with the things I can't account for.

Yeah, that's really insightful though.

Yeah.

So it's been top of mind, but I don't know how helpful it is to be thinking about it too.

I think it's because I think, you know, if you're not willing to invest in doing hard things now, you're going to experience a lot of pain later. And it's going to be a lot harder to manage them mentally, emotionally. and so learning how to navigate your own minds at this age and investing in, which I don't think people should say, I'm just going to experience pain all day so that I'm prepared for pain later and it doesn't hurt me as much. Because I really do believe life should be about creativity and flow and joy and love and fun. I believe that's what we should be focusing on and intending to create every day if we can. How can we bring joy and love and service to this moment? I can be my creative, authentic, honest self like you talked about, which is alignment. And when we're in alignment, things flow to us easily. And we can see and discern things like you talked about. But I do believe there is a level of time every day where there's discipline where I'm going to say no to temptations or no to the Coke all day or no to the alcohol all day or no to partying every day all night or to I'm only fun, the extreme things. Because if you're not fortifying your mind, it will be hard to face adversity later. When it will come, it will hit you hard. It'll be unexpected, and it will hit you. And if you're not preparing little by little, it's going to be daunting.

I think that's the thought that keeps me up, which is, what should I be doing? Do you feel like you've always been disciplined?

No. No, I mean, as a kid, I was confused and scared and, you know, rebellious and, you know.

But even as like a college athlete like that, that's something even if I was flying back and forth and doing all that, my friends that were waking up at 5 a.m. every day, I was like, no, I learned that, I.

Mean, in high school, I learned how to be disciplined because then I had a goal of sports. And so it was 5 a.m. you know, I was waking up at 5 a.m. and doing study hall and reading the Bible in the morning, I went to a private boarding school when I was 13. So it was like very strict in terms of like, you study from six to eight, you go to bed, you get up, you work out, all these things. And, and in college, when it was like you didn't have the house parents in the dorm kind of telling you what to do, you had to create your schedule. But I was so clear in my vision and my dream that I was willing to sacrifice anything. So I would give up all of the fun of life. I would have fun, but I wanted to do the things that people said were fun. Drinking and going out and do these things. I was like, that's not fun to me.

That's a great way of naming it. I think that's something I've struggled to name. It's not that I'm sacrificing these things. It's not a sacrifice. I wasn't interested.

I wasn't interested, yeah. And learning that skill set of disciplining my mind to say no and to be okay with people not understanding me. that was the scary thing because I wanted to have friends because I kind of felt alone as a kid. So I wanted friends, but they didn't understand me because I was going off chasing a dream and I was, you know, getting up at five or going to bed at 10 or whatever it was because I was committed to something, you know? And so maybe people didn't understand you. Oh, you're on set 18 hours a day. Just come hang out with us after school. We're just like, we're gonna go hang out and run down LA or whatever, you know? So, but you're like, no, this is fun to me. and this is part of a dream and a curiosity that I'm leaning into. And it's providing financial abundance and opportunities that are gonna set me up for my future. So it's just making a decision. Do you think a lot of your peers in terms of people your age struggle with discipline and they just chase fun and hours of social media distraction that isn't supporting their vision?

I'd have to say it's 50 50. I'm pretty lucky to feel surrounded by people that are chasing a dream, and all of it looks very different. Yeah, some of them I don't even understand, but I see the passion. And so I think just by the nature of maybe just who I've ended up in community with, I'm surrounded by people where I feel like generationally there are a lot of people that are moved by, whether it's their art or their career. I think I saw that both in the creative landscape, I saw at Harvard. And so.

But you've been in communities of people at the top of the top. These are people that are like working full time that are in the acting world or the production world for Harvard, which is a very elite level of commitment.

But I think even in the creative space, what was a good example is I'm like, all my friends are at the top of the top now, but they didn't start that way. And so many of them had really interesting, kind of non-traditional ways of getting into their respective field, which require just a lot of belief in self, not necessarily traditional schooling to be a musician, traditional this to be that. And so in that regard, I see a lot of discipline there. And I think what's funny is I hang out with people that all have bedtimes that are like, well, I'm tapping out. And also people that are very sure about what is fun to them and participate in, like, oh, this is what's fun to me. It's different for each of us, but it's cool to be like, Oh, yeah. People are only showing up because this is enjoyable to them. And they have felt freed of showing up for the sake of showing up. But that's a lot of people that.

Are like, again, who are striving to be at the top, that are very creatively talented, that are in elite rooms. But that's not, I wouldn't say that's most 20 year olds or 24 year olds or people in their late teens right now in America, right?

Yeah. I think it's a mix. Like when I see somebody like my little brother, 16, we're technically same generation. It feels like a world of difference.

What generation is that?

What is it? Gen Z. It's Gen Z. Gen Z still. And he's someone that's also very creatively inspired. But I think the difference that I see is that even having, like Instagram didn't come about till I was 13. And even though that was young, it was enough time for my brain to have had a life before social media. And it was, sorry, it was years before it became a regular part of my life. And it was years before we were using that to compare. So I just feel like I had more mental tools about how to deal with it. Still hard, still on my phone way too much. I turn on grayscale at random times to be like, let me, I don't know, does it disrupt the serotonin? I don't know the science behind it, but I'm like grayscale. But I think the thing that I see is like, oh, their world is so busy all the time that I can't even blame the feeling of distraction because I'm like, between all the news that's being intaken and between the fact that I feel like when I was growing up, I was It was only preoccupied with the life that I was living.

Because there was-- You weren't watching everything online about every problem in the world all at once.

Yeah, and there was also no way of seeing the life that even my friends were living except for the handful of times we were having a play date.

Right, a handful of times.

Yeah, I'm like, there was just no way of checking in on that.

They could see everything all at once.

And I think even like creatively, like I've had the privilege of being in all these luxury fashion spaces, but that was all tied to work. not find myself in any of those stores prior to working with these brands. Because it just wasn't on my radar. The way my brother has friends where it's like, oh, they know all of it all the time. They're tracking Fashion Week. Really? And I was like, I think I learned what Fashion Week was when I got an invite to attend because I was working in this space. I didn't have, again, all these worlds I was checking in on that didn't have anything to do with me right now. And so I do feel like there's a particular challenge and I have a lot of empathy for just generationally that feeling what are we gonna do with this information overload where it's even hard to parse apart, what do I need to intake? I'm a severe over news listener, and I think my task has been listening to a little less news.

Yeah.

'Cause it's like there's only so much you can do about it, and it pushes, at least for me, I think it pushes me into a space of feeling very overwhelmed versus feeling activated. So I've been trying to be like, okay, what amount of news makes me feel activated? but not overwhelmed.

Yeah, one of the things, you know, my, early on, I was just taught never to watch news and entertainment, just get updates, you know, because you can easily, emotionally, especially if you're empathetic, you can be like, 10, 000 people died today in this other part of the world. Like, what is wrong with the, you can, that can take over your whole life. One person died in my town and there was a shooting that could take over your whole life. And if you're seeing it sensationalized, if you're, entertained through the visual expression, sound, audio, video, making it like a movie. It's for me, it's exhausting. So I can't watch the news. I can read it and be informed and educated and be like, okay. And just but the entertainment of it or the clips of it just constantly, it's just I don't think it's good for the brain. And I think building mental fortitude is learning how to block out that and say, how can I be educated and updated, but not entertained by fear?

Yeah, and some of it is a great point because some of it was that I've always been an audiophile. We grew up in a house where we didn't watch TV except for Saturdays for an hour, which I love, but it meant that I love audio. That is my form of entertainment. And so you're absolutely right. There was a time, even though I don't know if I would call it that while I was listening. Yeah, it's different. It was more so like, oh, I'm listening to NPR. Yeah, it's different. You're listening to NPR so much that they're sending you free merch. That may be a cue. That may be a cue that you're to too much NPR because I was like, I have the app on my phone. I'm not even waiting till I'm in the car. I'm listening all the time. I'm waiting for the midday update. I'm waiting for the end of the day update. I'm cycling through local news. I'm typing in local stations. And so I think changing that, because then I was listening to political podcasts at night. I was falling asleep to them.

I was like, oh, bedtime, time to turn on. And every news channel and every political podcast has their bias and their opinion. so they're gonna be, you know, spreading opinions one way or another. But when you read it and you just read the updates, usually you're just saying, okay, this is what happened.

Yeah.

And you can form your own opinion, you know, that's what I've learned.

I love NPR because I'm like, it is pretty, it is pretty straightforward. But I think for me, the amount I was consuming of just, of like every podcast available, again, was fulfilling more of an entertainment side. So it's been nice to literally reintroduce. I have I love those moments where I'm like, okay, time to get updated here. Yeah, that's good. I'll do, I'm a twice a day person. Maybe I'll get to a once a day person. I'm a twice a day person, but in between, I'm back to listening to old time radio shows. Johnny Dollar is my favorite insurance investigator, played by Bob Bailey. And so I'm like, oh, if this is fulfilling the need to be listening.

To something, what else can I be listening to? Back to this American Life, back to just like, Feed your soul.

Yeah.

Feed your soul. This has been awesome, yeah. I wanna ask you a couple final questions. That's cool. One of the things, you know, I got to meet your mom. lovely lady and just seems super wise and fun at the same time. So congrats on calling in your mom as a child and entering this world with your parents. But I read that you grew up with your parents either teaching you or showing you how to live a life of service. Like living a life of service was important and how can we add value and contribute to whatever might be, friends, family, society. and I'm curious, what are your thoughts about service and what have you learned through being of service, being a giver, finding ways to add value? What have you learned about how giving allows you to receive as well?

Yeah, well, like you said, I come from two really wonderful, thoughtful parents, Afshin and Carrie, who I call Bubba and Mommy, but really wonderful people that have their own global background. So, you know, my Bubba moved to the States from Iran when he was eight, comes from a very global service minded family. My mama comes from a family where it's like my Papa and Nana, my Papa in particular was really involved in the civil rights movement. So that very direct idea of what it is to be of service, to sacrifice kind of your own comfort for the greater good. And so much of the dialogue around being of service just happened at the dinner table. happened in a very natural way where I don't think I even realized, oh, I'm having these heady conversations to prepare me. And I think there were also things that they did that were very supportive of that, of going to schools that had volunteer requirements, whether that was the Montessori or the public school or the Catholic school I went to. They all had volunteer requirements. And so I think it was also being modeled for me in every environment I was in of not just how money is a resource, but how your time is a resource. the idea of giving as being just a part of the fabric of life and not as something that you wait to do once you have, quote unquote, made it. Even when they were giving me and my brothers just allowance, they, again, having really thoughtful parents, what Mommy had done was we'd put all of the money that we made from acting right into savings, but they'd give us an allowance for being on set. And from that allowance, from those 10 bucks or however much we decided, they had the save, spend, and donate bucket. And we got to choose how much are we donating, how much are we saving, how much are we spending? And again, I think these were, I say this all as a foundation of saying I had a great foundation of ways in which being of service can be integrated into our day-to-day life. And I think even still, that's cool. Having Rami as a business partner, one trait I think I admire most that many people can attest to, I was in a room she wasn't in. Talk about something random and literally somebody else, another actress, paused to be like, can we talk about Kerry Shahidi? Because what she is is so deeply tapped into the world around her and so deeply curious that I think she is constantly of service by giving kind of her mind as a resource. We will see someone at the airport who says off randomly, oh, I really want to start this shirt company. She's like, oh, that's interesting. I've cataloged, oh, I met this one entrepreneur that makes shirts that I would love to connect you. She's connected authors with lawyers for the multi-million plus book deal and not realizing that's what it was for, but just being like, oh, you're an interesting person. This is another person that's interesting. You guys should be connected. That's cool. But it comes from just being so deeply attuned and paying attention in spaces that we're in the same rooms and she's picking up on things where I'm like, huh? Oh, yeah, I guess that did happen. But I say that to say, I feel like it's an example of what it means to be attuned towards service. and it's not even necessarily, oh, I'm working with this organization or this foundation. It's truly, I'm operating from an anchoring place of how can I be of value to you? Even if it has nothing to do with me. Most of these things never circle back. It's a thank you that you may get. But to answer even your question on being of service and then receiving, I think I've had a lot of examples of how things, time, resources that I've given have come back around in ways that I could never expect. I wasn't expecting it when I gave. And I think even in our starting our production company, we were both astounded by how many people wanted to work with us when we were just opening our doors. Had yet to prove ourselves as producers because they knew what it was like to be in relationship with us. And the things that we'd give generally without saying, Hey, we're gonna circle back around in a a couple years when we have our own offices to da-da-da-da-da. And so I think a lot of what I've received has been the result of giving. And I think I've learned so many lessons about how that happens. My Papa has this great term, he uses relationship equity, which is one, just logistically, especially for us 20 year olds, call between needing things, especially from the people around you. It's okay if you need things and you call people, but call between see how they're doing.

Yeah, check in. Not when you need that.

Not just when not, Hey, how are you by the way?

Yes.

But more than just calling between needing things. I was raised on relationship equity, which is your, your, the priority in this world is building relationships with the people around you. It's not building networks. It's not building contacts. It's building relationships.

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