The Ancient Healing Method of Grounding & How It Reduces Chronic Inflammation w/ Clint Ober EP 1269

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Your body's conductive. Your body's electrical first, chemical second. So everything in the body is electrical. Your brain, your muscles, your every cell, everything that takes place in your body is electric. Electrons moving around. Okay, when you ground the earth, then your body is negative.

When it's not on the ground, then what happens?

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And for people that are watching or listening, what is inner in simple terms, what is grounding?

First of all, grounding is an electrical term. So earth ground is what we're talking about. The earth has a negative charge. Everything connected to the earth, trees, animals, plants, everything that lives on the earth has a negative surface charge. When you as a person stand barefoot on the earth, your body's conductive. Your body's electrical first, chemical second. So everything in the body is electrical. Your brain, your muscles, your every cell, Everything that takes place in your body is electric electrons moving around.

Okay.

When you ground the earth, then your body is negative.

When your feet are barefoot on the ground, your body is negative.

Yeah. Your body absorbs, equalizes with the earth.

When it's not on the ground, then what happens?

Then you start depleting your free electrons. But anyhow, so grounding. Did I answer the question well enough?

I think so, yes.

Yeah.

Just very simply, when you're standing barefoot on the earth, you are one and the same with the earth. Electrically speaking, you're grounded, you're negative.

Right.

You're at earth potential. I intuitively ask myself, I wonder if there's any consequence to humans no longer being naturally grounded. That's not a question that anybody in the world would probably ask unless they had installed or been involved with installing millions of ground rods in the cable industry. Because anytime you run a cable into the house, you have to drive a ground rod, cut the cable, put it in a ground block, and then. So that if there's lightning or static or anything on the cable lines or an electrical event, then it goes to ground rather than goes into the house.

And blows up a TV or creates.

A fire in the home. So it's all about fire. So inflammation, inflamed fire. We'll get to that later. But anyhow, I didn't know. Most people are unaware. So just lifting my arm like this will create static electricity if I'm not grounded. And we live in environments where we're not grounded. So anyhow, I found that in the bedroom especially, there was really high voltages on my body charges. Well, you know, you got a foam bed, Static electricity from the foam, any polyester type in the blankets are covering. So you pull your sheet up like this and it looks like there's a lightning.

Exactly.

Okay. So I didn't just my mind focused on this. I said, and then when I. So what I did that, I went down to the hardware store, bought a roll of 3 inch wide metal duct tape like you'd wrap around furnaces. And I laid it across the bed, connected a wire to it, threw it out the window, connected it to a ground rod, did the same thing with a meter. So I knew that when I laid on it that I would be grounded and I would hold the meter and confirm that. Well, the first night that I did that, I woke up the next morning and the meter was laying down by my side and I was like, 54, something like that. 55. And I was a cowboy. I had every kind of ache and pain you could think of, all the crazy stuff I did when I was young. I skied for over 30 years. I played tennis. I've done everything that you can imagine that you can injure yourself with. And I had all the injuries, so I had a lot of pain in my body. And so for me to go to sleep, normally, I had to take Advil or something. And so. But anyhow, that night I just fell asleep and the meter was down by my side, and I woke up in the morning. I said. I was kind of startled. I said, what in the world? There's something going on here. I couldn't figure out what it was.

So did you take Advil that night, or you. You just.

I was playing. I was just. Just assuming that there was. I was just playing with the meter, and then I just fell asleep.

Fell asleep.

I was laying there on the wire and. And testing myself.

You had a relaxed sleep?

Yeah, I fell asleep and I woke up in the morning and the meters beside me. And normally that's just a rare experience, and that does. So I didn't really understand. I said, well, there's something here, because I fell asleep without having to take the Advil. And so I did that for a couple, three nights. And I said, wow, there is something here. And so I had a couple of friends that I. Acquaintances, older guys, and I said, you know, you guys got to try this. Nobody sleeps well. There's. Nobody sleeps well. And I said, you're going to try this? I said, it's fun, you know, just do it. So they went along with me. And a couple days later, one of the guys came over. He said, do you think this could be helping my arthritis? And he said, well, my arthritis is way down in his hands. I mean, he had severe arthritis. And I didn't think too much about it. And then I thought, wow, you know, my pain's way down. And I said, I don't know what's going on here. So back then, all I had was AOL and A. And there was not really any. You had to go to Nexis, Lexis data retrieval in order to try to search for data. Couldn't find anything. Went down to University of Arizona and visited with a couple people there.

No one gave you the information.

There's no information out there. There's nothing out there that says ground your body to reduce pain or grounding reduces or grounding affects the body, except when you have cardiovascular. I mean, Open heart surgery, they have to ground the body to prevent static electricity from creating a cardio event.

Interesting.

So it was just totally unknown. And other than that, cable industry, I mean, in the telephone, cable, power, every industry is. It's about you ground everything to maintain electrical stability and to prevent charge or to prevent fire. Okay, so that's where I. So I didn't know. I didn't know where to go. And I was just, you know, I had no background in biology, significant background in electrical. So anyhow, I ended up. After a while, I got. I couldn't find. I couldn't make any progress. So I said, well, I'll go out to ucla. Those guys know everything. You know, it's big universe. So I went out there and I ended up connecting with the sleep lab. And I said, well, we need to do a study. I told them what I was doing and they said, you mean to tell us that if we put a nail in the ground, tie a wire around it, and then tie that wire on somebody's toe or something, they're going to sleep better? I said, well, yeah. They said, no. He says, you're nuts. Get out of here. You're nuts. You're crazy. And so anyhow, we joked around a little bit and carried on a conversation. But they knew nothing about electrical. Body's not electrical. They don't know the cause of pain. You can go to the medical libraries, whatever, and look up the cause of pain, the cause of lupus, cause of ms, cause of all these, cause unknown. They treat the symptoms, but they do not know the cause. Or if they do know the cause, it's not in the literature. This was back 20 some years ago. So anyhow, after that, a couple of the students that were there, they were intrigued a little bit, but because they needed to do PhDs and do their dissertations and so on. So anyhow, I talked to a couple of them and got them to help me design a study. Because everybody said, well, you got to have more proof than what I had. I said, fine. So I ended up going up to Ventura, California, and they helped me write a study. And we said. Then they told us we had to get 60 subjects and then I had to design a mechanism to ground people for 30 days or whatever. And then I had to have it. So half of them were grounded and half of them. So it looked. So it was a blind study. And so then we had to grade the subjects. That was the hard part. So it was really hard to get anybody to do a study. So I ended up one day Getting my hair cut and heard a couple ladies talking about pain and can't sleep. I said, well, that's who I need. So afterwards, I went to the lady who owned the salon, and I said, you know, I'm doing a study and I need to find people who want to participate. And it's about pain and sleep. And she looked at me, she says, honey, how many people do you need? And so she started gathering up subjects. And then I went to a few of the other hair salons, beauty salons, and asking them and asked them, and they. And, you know, they kind of all know each other. And so we ended up with 60 subjects that were not related, not knowing, to each other. And so we. Over a period of month or two, we. We instantly grounded. 30 of them were grounded. 30 of them were not grounded.

But they were told they were all grounded.

Yes. Well, they didn't really know what was going on. And it was about, does this affect your pain? Does this affect your sleep? And so on. So anyway, we did study, and we had significant results. Really. It was an anecdotal study. It wasn't a gold standard, whatever, but it was enough information to provide, to create interest. And so what happened? Everybody slept better, everybody felt better, everybody had less pain. But more interesting was the ladies who had PMS issues. They didn't have the PMS issues when they were grounded. People who had tmj. The TMJ started to disappear. And so there was a host of different issues.

Was this everyone, Even the ones that weren't grounded?

No, this was the.

The ones who were grounded.

Yeah, there was about. There was like. Yeah, there was. I mean, the study is. It's a published study. It's@theearthinginstitute.net and so anyhow, yeah, there was a significant result. The majority, like 80% of the people had improvements where the placebo group, maybe 10, 20%, like a normal thing, which I didn't know anything about any of this. I knew nothing about studies, but I learned everything along the way. So anyhow, after that study was done, we learned a couple of things. One of the first things we learned was we thought it was all these electric fields and the static electricity that was causing the problem. But in that study, one day I was given two people to go out and install. I went to this one home, and it was an elderly guy, maybe 75, 80, and he just had a heart surgery, and he just looked terrible. And anyhow, I went into his bedroom. It was an adobe home, a brick floor, only one lamp in there. And it was across the room from the bed. The bed was metal frame on a brick floor, so there was no emf, no static electricity, nothing to speak of. And so I said, this is a waste of a pad. Just really unfortunate, but can't do anything about it. So then that afternoon, I went to another person across town in Ventura, and she was like an 80 year old, I mean, a woman, but she had flaring arthritis in each wrist. She couldn't hold the meter, so I could do the test and make sure everything was working properly. So after I was talking to her son, who was kind of there making sure everything was okay and carrying on the conversation with him, but she was sitting there. In order for me to do the measure, I put a patch on this hand. It was connected to a ground patch over here that was connected to a meter so I could measure and make sure she was grounded when she was on the pad or the pad was working and so on. And all of a sudden she said, well, this, it's not working over here. This one's working, this one's not. I didn't know what she was talking about. And then all of a sudden I realized that the grounded cord, she was feeling something with the arthritis. And so I took and swapped the cords from the meter to the ground cord, ground rod. And then all of a sudden she said, okay, now it's working over here. And this is within five minutes. And I said, wow, there's something going on here.

So I didn't really know, like, she felt less pain.

The hot burning pain was coming down.

Interesting.

The arthritic, that flaring Vicodin type thing went down. Wow. And this is only like five, 10 minutes. And so I thought, wow. So I got it all finished up and everything. On the way home, I stopped at the, you know, the medical supply house and bought some electrode patches because I was running low. And I went out and I gave them to a few people that I knew who had arthritis and bursitis or whatever problems. I said, just take this and try it and call me tomorrow and tell me what you experience. So over the next two days, they all called. And two or three times I heard the word magic pain patch, really, that it made pain just disappear in just minutes. And I thought, wow, this is really interesting. But the bottom line was when the study was done and they had brought in the final surveys of these two people, they both had same results. One had no static electricity, no emf, nothing. This other lady had horrific EMF and horrific static because of all the stuff she had around her bed and so on, but they both had the same result. And I said, wait a minute, there's something amiss here. Then I began to put two and two together, then did a lot of testing. And then I realized it was just being connected to the earth. It was being grounded to the earth. It wasn't the environmental stressors. It was just being grounded to the earth. So what happens when you're grounded to the earth? Then you're at earth potential, meaning you equalize with the earth. The reason we ground everything to the earth is to prevent fire or to prevent an electrical event. Okay. At that time, the word inflammation was not in the English language. I mean, it was not. It was. This is before, you know, back in 2000, there were no papers on inflammation. The inflammation was not a word. So the word inflame his body means on fire. You know, the house is, you know, inflammation is on fire. House is on fire, body's on fire. But back then, it was just the pain. We didn't know what inflammation was.

Right.

Okay. So anyhow, everybody's pain came down. And so I didn't know what to do. I didn't. So I ended up meeting a anesthesiologist. He just retired and he was in San Diego. And he says, I'm interested in what you're doing. I don't believe there's anything to it, but I'd like to test it. And he said, I think you're wrong, but let's do a test. So we put together. I forget what it was. 10, 12 subjects. And we measured cortisol, saliva cortisol, every four hours for 24 hours so you could have a profile. And we did this on each subject, grounded them heart rate variability, all that kind of stuff, and then grounded them for a month with just a little 12 inch by 24 inch ground mat that we would use for ESD or to prevent static charges when you're working on electronics. So they would test the ground cortisol, saliva every four hours for 24 hours. So we had a pre grounding and post grounding cortisol profile. So. And again, there's a study on the Earthing Institute, but the cortisol before was like spaghetti, you know, they were not coordinated. None of these people didn't know each other and weren't related to each other, but they were spread out throughout San Diego except for a couple, three nurse or flight attendants who. Who we had to take out of the study because their cortisol was three hours off of San Diego. So we learned a lot there. So anyhow, what happened was at the end of the, when we did the profile, at the end before, everything looked kind of like spaghetti. The cortisol was high at night and low in the morning. And afterwards they all went into a synchronized secretion profile. So it was lowest at midnight. At 4am it was skyrocket to about 6am that's what gives you the energy to get out of bed. And then throughout the day it would drift back down to zero. Where before it was just. So the younger women had. They had high cortisol profiles because of chronic stress and so on, and the older women who had chronic fatigue or those kind of things that I didn't know how to pronounce back then, exhausted adrenals, their cortisol was very low. And afterwards, everybody's cortisol just went into a nice synchronized band. Everybody slept better, they had less pain, they felt better, and they had more energy. So can't have charge in a grounded object.

Interesting.

Okay, so, and what is the.

I guess, what does the science say when it comes to walking barefoot to help you heal the body or reduce chronic inflammation then?

Okay, well, we learned along the way that if you ground somebody that has flowing arthritis, put an electrode patch here and put a coil cord on, connect it to a ground, the pain goes away in five, 10 minutes. Now, nobody will believe this, nobody listening to this will believe this whatsoever until they experience it. Then they say, oh, my God, why didn't somebody tell me about this earlier in 1960? We have to start there. 1960. Before then, we were either barefoot or we wore leather sole shoes. Leather sole shoes are semiconductor. You know, they hold moisture, they hold perspiration, body salts, you know, the leather does, and so they're conductive. But in 1960, we. So before then, barefoot was common.

Really?

At 78 years old? I mean, I was born in 44. So up until, you know, 19, early 60s, you only wore shoes. I'm from rural Montana too, by the way.

Right. You're on a farm and a ranch. Yeah, yeah.

But you, you wore leather shoes to work and when you needed them. But generally when you got off from out of school, you lose the shoes for the summer. First thing that you did when school was over, you lost.

You're barefoot in the house, you're barefoot outside, you're running from inside outside. Barefoot.

Right. So barefoot was common. And if it rained and you were wearing shoes, you had to take the shoes off and carry them so they didn't get wet. Right. Otherwise the water would make them shrink up and gnarly. Interesting. And you couldn't get them. So shoes were. You wore them on purpose?

Not all the time.

No. You didn't wear shoes all the time. You wore them on purpose. Wow. And you weren't allowed to wear shoes in the house back then. A dog can come into the house sometimes or a baby calf could come in the house and keep them warm, but not shoes. So anyhow, 1960 is when we invented plastics. The first thing we did was put them on the soles of shoes and created those ugly green shag carpets. Green, yellow, orange and kind of reddish shag carpets. And everybody carpeted their homes and started wearing rubber sole shoes.

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Yeah. It's a observation. Yeah. And yeah, we didn't know until after we wrote that book anything. We couldn't find anything. But then, I mean, we started finding information from Europe and from around the world, where 100 years ago, Adolph just had discovered the same thing in other people. But it never stayed with them, you know, never gained ground. I was at a convention in San Diego with Dr. Galley, who had helped do the cortisol study, and Dr. Stephen Sinatra, who was a cardiologist back east, came out and he was at this convention in Gali, said we need to go visit with him because he's a cardiologist. The heart's electrical so he would understand what we're talking about. So we did schedule some time with Steve and he came out, I told him what we were doing, and he said, clint, he said, if you're affecting pain, he says you need to be studying inflammation because pain is a byproduct of inflammation. But the word inflammation was not in the literature. It was to some people, I mean, the research and so on. So anyhow, I didn't know what to make of that because inflammation to me was, you twist an ankle like playing tennis, and it swells like a balloon, and you're just in miserable pain for a couple of days. And he said, no, that's not what we're talking about. He said, this is, you know, a chronic, low grade inflammation. And so I took it from there and I started doing more research. And finally I came across, you know, how the immune system works. You know, the immune system, you had white blood cells, neutrophils, microphages and so on. So if you have a pathogen or an injury or a cell that needs to be, you know, damaged cell, it needs to be replaced or worn out. So, well, the immune system will send a neutrophil over. It's kind of a jelly like cell, and it will encapsulate the pathogen or the damaged cell, and then it releases what we call reactive oxygen species. As soon as I heard the word reactive, then for some reason I had a clue. This means it's electrical reactive, means it's electrically charged. And it has a strong enough charge that it can pull an electron away from a pathogen and destroy it, kill it. It's gone.

Wow.

So that was the first clue. Then I started. And this was all cowboy logic. You know, you just take a step forward here and a step forward here, she steps backward. And I couldn't get any help from the docs or the, you know, they just, nobody understood this. This is just too bizarre. And nobody wanted to put their name with take your shoes off, you know, and get grounded. No, it just didn't appeal. So. But anyhow, as time went on, we went to the next study and so on. But along the way, I was able to put together that, okay, when you ground yourself to the earth, assume it's like a garden hose with water, you know, the groundwater. So electrons are pulling up the, coming up the wire by force because everything is going to equalize. It's in contact with your. So then if you have a pad there, a ground pad, and you're laying on it, then it's going to be grounded. Then when you lay on it, you're going to be grounded. Or if we put a patch in your hand, then you're grounded. So it's like cutting a hole there and pouring water. And so it's like electrons pouring into the body and the body equalizing. And as soon as the body becomes negative, then it stops all the inflammation.

And the pain stops.

And the pain stops. When the pain stops, you know, the inflammation has stopped. And so to, you know, a story that really helps explain it is in the early days, the only people I could get for subjects were the rheumatologist would give me ladies with Ms. Or lupus or fibromyalgia. And because they can't help these people, they said, here, you can help.

Try whatever you want. Try your woo woo science on all them.

You can entertain them for a while is really the concept. And so I did, I started grounding these women. And as time went on, it got to the point where I could take a woman with Ms. And I remember one came in one day in a study we were doing down in San Diego, and she had to hold her hand like this because if she let go, then it would wander all over and she had pain and she was totally stressed. And anyhow, she wanted to be in one of our settings. We said, you can't Be in the study because she had to get up and go to the bathroom every 20 minutes or those kind of things. That's what she said. So because she came there and went to the trouble to travel and be there, I said, here, I'm going to ground you for a while and I'll give you some things you can take home and play with, and it may be of value to you. So anyhow, we put her in the chair and I put patches on her arms and whatever. And, you know, she was kind of moving around, but she was interested. Her color started to change, you know, her started to pink up, her demeanor started to calm down, and she just kept talking. And all of a sudden it had been like 40 minutes or so and she didn't have to go to the restroom. So I went to and I asked her, I said, you need to go to the restroom? She said, no, I'm okay. So about an hour later, we had to get back to work on what we were doing. But at that time, this loss of control, you know, it settled down. It all stopped. Wow. And then she did have to go to the bathroom before she left. So she took the patch off and she went to the restroom, came back out, and she was almost in tears. She says, look at me. I'm like my old self. I mean, her color, her energy came back, her pain was down, her demeanor changed. But most of all, she wasn't even talking about her arm, but she was able to move it, but she still had the damage that was done. And so as time went on, I could go on for a long time on those ladies. But as time went on, it got to the point where I could tell a woman after she had been grounded for 5, 10 minutes, I could honestly say, you no longer have Ms. Wow. What you have is damage from Ms.

After years of it. And now you've got that.

And how you'll recover from that is unknown to me. Although there is recovery. Sure. Healing, because the body is a self healing mechanism, is you put the fire out, stop the inflammation, then it can heal. Stop. Start to heal. Yeah. But anyhow, I said, as long as you're grounded, you no longer have Ms. You can't have Ms. When you're grounded because the body's flooded with free electrons. And so now when the neutrophils are in there taking care of those damaged cells that were part of the myelin sheath which caused this problem, then that stops. I mean, because the free electrons are reducing those reactive oxygen species, the remaining ones. Wow. And it just Stops it dead. Now this really sounds bizarre. And everybody's going to go out hands and put their hands on the grass is what I want them to do. But anyhow, so that's where, I mean, that's how confident, you know, I became. And I know this no matter what, whether it's lupus or Ms. Or any kind of a flaring disease, you know, arthritis, bursitis, you name it. If it's an itis, that means it's inflammation.

So it puts out the fire. You might still have the remnants of the challenge that you face with if you had it for years, right. If your arms are getting cramped or your hands are getting deformed or whatever it might be from the disease of the inflammation constantly for years that may need time to heal. There might be pain there, but not the type of sharp pain.

You're not going to have the hot burning pain. If it's hot burning pain, it's inflammation. If it's still leave me alone pain that's healing, pain that's normal.

So how easy is it to ground yourself and how long does the grounding last for?

It's cumulative. If I ground somebody for 30 minutes, 40 minutes, they're going to get a sensation, their blood viscosity is going to normalize the thickness of their blood. Because as soon as you ground the person, their blood before is thick and sticky. That's why so many people are on blood thinners and so on.

Wow.

So as soon as you ground, then the little red blood cells, they have an electrical surface charge, so they equalize with the earth. So now they have a negative charge and the more negative the red blood cells become, they now repel each other like little negative magnets. Now the blood gets thin and rather than sticky and then it can get in and out of the capillaries, oxygenate the tissue, get rid of the inflammation, return the body to normal.

But so 30 minutes is a good amount of time or how long should someone.

30 minutes will get you down the road, will give you enough information to know, wow, there's something going on here.

Four and a last for what, a day, a half a day or.

It depends. I've grounded people who had, who had a chronic knee inflammation type thing, arthritic type, and they grounded them for 30 minutes and they got up and. And that pain went away forever.

Wow.

People who have Ms. And certain things, no, they've got a challenge ahead, right. And so on.

You've got to heal. What's the difference between in the benefits, between walking barefoot on dirt, laying on your back in the grass or putting your hands on the ground. Is there different benefits to these techniques?

I want to share one thing with you. Yeah, go ahead. Animals that live in the wild, they're grounded 24 7.

Right. They live on the earth.

They live on the earth. They don't have cardiovascular disease, lupus, Ms. arthritis. They don't have. I mean, cancer rarely exists in nature. The only animals that die from cancer in nature are because we've contaminated or destroyed their ecosystem, their environment. Right.

It's more like cats and dogs die because they're in the house.

Okay. So all the animals who live indoors with their owners manifest similar health disorders as their owners, which is everything from diabetes to you name it. Diabetes is an inflammation related health disorder, autism, but that's not related to cats and stuff. But anyhow, so. But 50% of all these indoor animals, domestic animals, die from cancer just like their owners. So this is environment. So it's about being connected to the earth 24, 7. You can't have these health disorders. So in nature, your feet are the most conductive. We know this just by measuring the palms of your hand and the bottom of your feet are the most conductive. Well, those are your ground paws. We probably were on all fours at one time or we were using our hands forever to touch green living plants.

Plants, trees, everything else. Yeah.

And so we were all naturally grounded. But these are the most conductive. And your body's always going to have autoimmune response. I mean immune response, the immune cascade. So you're going to have oxidative radicals in your body to reduce pathogens or to reduce damaged cells. If you don't have redox potential or enough free electrons to reduce those remaining radicals left over from an oxidative burst, then that's what causes inflammation. Inflammation doesn't exist in nature. Couldn't get here if that were the case.

Right.

You need to get grounded and stay grounded until the pain goes away. Because then you don't need to run tests, you don't need to go to a lab, you don't need to do anything. When the pain stops, then you know the inflammation stopped. Because you can't have the pain without inflammation. But if you have pain, you do have inflammation.

So it might take 30 minutes, might take an hour. Your hands and feet on the ground, is it grass? Better? Is it touching plants? Is it touching dirt? Is it sand?

Is it water?

Does it matter?

I try to tell everybody what's better. It really doesn't matter because you're not grounding an electrical system. You're grounding a human body and earth potential. And earth has a universal ground.

What about the sand or the ocean?

If you sand, if you just kick away an inch of it, it's wet, it's damp. I mean, there's always moisture. So you want to be in the.

Wet sand, is what you're saying, or in the ocean, Is that.

No, I mean, if you're there, that's great.

Yeah, yeah.

You're going to be well grounded, but it's. You're going to be grounded if you're out in Palm Springs and, you know, sitting on. Sitting under a palm tree where you just. There's moisture in all sand. It holds moisture because it's rock and you have nighttime and condensation evaporates. So there's moisture everywhere. It's going to be better if you have a grass yard. I tell everybody, and if we have time, I'd like to tell you about the Ms. Ladies a little bit. But if I can convince you to go out and just sit on the earth, put your bare feet on the earth and your bare hands on the earth, that's great. If you can't do that, then you take a chair out, take your shoes off and at least put your feet on the earth and just sit there until your respiration is going to calm down, your O2 saturation is going to come up, your color is going to come up because the blood's going to. Your blood viscosity is going to normalize and your pain is going to diminish and the pain going down, that's the inflammation. You're reducing the inflammation in your body. When you have no pain left in your body, you can still have pain left, but that would be the healing pain. But if you have burning pain or oxidative, that pain will go away. That'll go away.

What are we missing out on by wearing shoes all the time and not being connected between, you know, and having this barrier between ourselves?

Whenever you're grounded, you can't have inflammation. When you're not grounded, then you start losing your redox potential or you bleed off your free electrons just by breathing oxygen or eating food or, you know, all these environmental stressors can affect. So eventually you become short of electrons, you become a little bit gaunt or gray, your energy drops, you know, fatigue and so on. But if it goes on too long and you don't recover and you go to bed all charged up with all this damage, then in the morning you get up and you're stiff and you can't get out of bed, you don't have energy and you have to have coffee to wake up and so on and so on.

And you're building on that. And how does grounding support with extending your lifespan?

Well, we did a rat study, we took, this is done in Canada up in Alberta. And we took, I think there were 60 breeder rats. And normally they would, they would have their litters and they would euthanize them afterwards. And so what I wanted to do, I said, you know, we want to take these rats and let them live out their life and we want to monitor them. 30 of them in cages that are grounded, 30 of them in cages that are not grounded. Okay, so what happened at the end? The grounded rats, I mean the ungrounded rats had lots of alopecia, lots of hair loss. This is common amongst the ungrounded rats. Yeah, the ungrounded rats. Now remember these were middle aged ladies in the rat time. So as they started getting older, they started developing lots of alopecia. And there's lots of biomarkers that are indicative of metabolic syndrome, which is all of these inflammation related health disorders. But the number one thing, the difference in age was very little. But the animals who are grounded and they ate the same thing every day, same amount of water. And so this is healthy food, healthy conditions. So they wouldn't have had a lot of the normal stressors. Sure, you know, environmental stressors. But the rats who were Grounded were like 20 weight. I think it was 14 to 20% less weight than the ungrounded ladies.

So healthier weight or you mean they weren't healthier, they weren't obese or.

No, they, they didn't. They, yeah, they were health. Yeah, they were healthy. Interesting. So being grounded, you had less likely to have metabolic syndrome related health disorders, which is inflammation. Alopecia would be inflammation.

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But I would have to get into the study. The study's available. Sure, sure. That study's available at the Earthing Institute. I don't like to talk about the animal study too much because a lot of people get upset.

Right.

But I say I give, let these ladies live out their life where they would have been euthanized otherwise.

Yeah, of course.

So it was, it was a good study.

And so it showed that it essentially did help with lifespan or just more of like better conditions.

Quality of life.

Quality of life.

Less obese.

Yes.

Not as much inflammation or no inflammation.

You wouldn't have inflammation. But anyhow, so it was interesting. It was less inflammation related health disorders. Less. I mean, you can, it's like a lot of people are going to live to be 80, 90 years old.

They might be in pain for 20 years.

Oh. Or longer.

Yeah.

You know, the average Age of a man today, I think is 75, 76, something like that. I'm 78, so I made it pretty good.

That's great.

But anyhow.

But living it. You want to live healthy when you're older.

You want that free.

Yes.

Like. Like, it's interesting. I can get up out of my chair with ease.

Yeah.

I can move. I can go dance for three hours if I wanted to. I can do a lot.

And you're 78?

Yes. Wow. And I can walk five miles. Yeah. I prefer to walk barefoot when I can, but that's not easily done, so I wear grounded shoes. I won't wear. I can't walk five miles in a. In a regular shoe like everybody else. Really?

What happens when you do that?

I just lose my energy after about a mile and a half. Wow.

So when you wear the grounded sandals, you feel like you keep your energy throughout the day to a certain point. Maybe you can't go 20 miles every day, but.

No, I walk, you know, between 2,000 steps and 10,000, depending on what's going.

On, either barefoot or with grounded shoes.

Yeah.

Is there such a thing as grounded tennis shoes, or is it only the sandals right now that are out there?

No, the only thing we have is a grounded flip flop so far over at Earthing, and they're.

And why do they work? Why is like. Because it's still rubber on the sandal, essentially. Right. But then there's a grounding.

Can I show you one? Yeah. Okay.

Because when you just have rubber on your soles or plastic.

Yeah. You're insulated from the earth. So this. I don't know if we can see it here, but there's a piece of carbon here. Carbon. And it comes along here, and it comes through the shoe, and it goes over the bottom of the shoe. So when it touches the earth, it's conductive. So when your foot touches this, then it's like standing barefoot on water. So it's like standing barefoot, but you don't need to worry about the stickers.

Right. Or the poop or the. Yeah, yeah.

Or whatever. Or glass. A lot of people, you know, guys, they're not going to go barefoot. The ladies will. They like to go barefoot, but again, they don't. Like.

I like to go in the grass. If I see a grass in a park, I'm like, okay, I'll walk. I'll take my shoes and my socks off, and I'll walk in there for 30 to 60 minutes. And I always feel more energized. I feel more connected.

That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah, yeah.

You get. When you're. When your body is grounded, your body is full of free electrons, full of this earth energy. So now you can't have inflammation. So your metabolism's cooking along and. And you're not. Where if you're not grounded, then you're bleeding off and depleting these free electrons and you're getting fatigued and your body can't function. Wow. It's like as soon as you ground yourself, you have greater range of motion, flexibility. Yeah.

In your body.

Really?

Yeah. You have more energy. You can. Your O2 saturation increases. Wow. Everything. So our body evolved grounded. We lived on the earth. We are here without walking around. And we were always connected. So over whatever period of time all living things were grounded in the last.

60 years is when it started to shift and evolve.

And when you're grounded, you couldn't have had inflammation because you had inflammation along the way. We wouldn't be here as a species because you wouldn't have all these pharmaceuticals and everything to keep everybody alive.

We had other types of pain maybe, but we didn't have the inflammation. Pain.

Pain was hunger.

Right.

Injury.

Injury.

It's like you put this in perspective. In 1960, 90% of the visits to a general practitioner worked for infectious disease, acute injury, childbirth.

So was there no really Ms. Or arthritis back when you were growing up? Is that not a thing?

Maybe 1 in 10,000 or 1 in whatever, but now it's like autism. 1 in 10,000. Autism is an inflammation related health disorder. Oxidation of the brain stem. Okay, so back in. No, you would have a little bit and diabetes started in the 50s. You can see the curve.

Was that more food related or more grounding related?

No.

Is that more like just so much.

Sugar and processed foods that may exacerbate it. That's going to put weight on you. But what caused the problem is loss is inflammation. Now again, there are studies on the Earthing Institute explain all this. And you can actually just type Google diabetes and earthing and grounding and inflammation or just diabetes and inflammation. Diabetes is an inflammation related health disorder. Sugar is. If you're grounded, the sugar is not going to be quite as bad, but you're going to put a weight on if you eat. I mean, sugar is not good for you. It's not a natural thing. In the type of sugars we eat, processed foods are not natural. So those are going to challenge and stress our body and maybe create inflammation. But if you're grounded, it'll help reduce that Inflammation and get you through it where if you're not grounded, then that's just going to exacerbate.

And how does grounding support weight loss or increase in metabolism or the gut microbiome? Does grounding help that as well?

Yeah, because if you have inflammation in your body, what's happening is your immune system is using all of its resources.

To fight the inflammation, to fight the.

Inflammation that it itself is feeding. So it's a vicious loop. It shouldn't be, but it is. Because the immune system didn't know that one day we would put on shoes, didn't know one day we would live.

Be disconnected from the earth.

Yeah, we didn't.

What's the difference between barefoot indoors versus barefoot outdoors?

Barefoot indoors, you'll have less static electricity and things like that, but you won't get any.

You're not grounded still, you're not grounded.

So you're not going to get the benefits of.

Is there a way to have like a grounding tool that you can plug into your outlets that will make you feel like you're grounded?

Well, yeah. Over the years, as we did the studies, in order to do the studies, we had to create what I call ground planes. And these are anything from an electrode patch, the EKG patch, like when you want to read, you know, cardio. So you put one of those on the body and then you connect it to a ground, and so that grounds the body. And electrons can get through the skin and get in there and get into the blood and start reducing the inflammation.

Because we have the grounding pad that I think you guys, we got from you guys. And so I've been putting my feet barefoot on that. Is that the same thing as being on the Earth?

Yes. So what we did, in order to do our research to ground our subjects, we would use the patches that I mentioned. Or the first ones we made were 12 inches by 24 inch conductive fabrics or conductive ground planes or conductive rubber like we would use in the ESD industry or electronics industry. And then we would connect it to a ground so it would be grounded. And then when you sat on it, did whatever, then you'd be grounded. So in many cases, we put these in the home. And so people had them for, you know, 30 days or whatever. And at the end of the studies, then the people who. A lot of people had great benefit, so they wanted to keep them or they wanted other ones for their mom or for whoever. And so then as time went on, we would. Whatever we had left of scraps and stuff we would give them or whatever. And then eventually we decided that, you know, what is the best thing we could do for people if we wanted to give them something? Because we knew that people won't comply. Doing our studies, it's really hard to get compliance, really. So people, you know, people don't. Most people won't even finish around a script. People don't comply. They do if it is not part of their daily routine. It's hard to get them to follow through or change routine. So we thought, well, the best thing we can do, and we need to do a study that way anyway. We need to just give them something they can sleep on. So they put it on their bed one time, ground it. Then there's no impact or no effect on anything they normally do. All they do is come home, go to bed and go to sleep like they normally do. No work.

Right.

No change.

We put that on our bed also in the last week. And it's been really. It's been passing out pretty much right away.

Yeah. So anyhow, so that was the product that we developed. The. Now these products were all accidental products because when I was involved, got involved with this, remember I was the first guy to put data over a satellite and feed it to a personal computer. I had no desire to be product. I was more retired than not. And this was just really interesting to me. But anyhow, so all of a sudden there became a huge demand. We never advertised. This was all word of mouth. It was relatives and relatives and word of mouth. Anybody that got grounded, they wanted one for their mom and so on. So anyhow, the business. So we kept improving it. So anyhow, yeah, we have mats you can sleep on. They're carbon mats. You can sleep directly on them or you can put them underneath your sheet and put the sheet over them and sleep on them that way. And we have the little mats that you can put underneath your computer or on your desk and have your hands on it when you're working, or put it on the floor and put your feet on and be grounded during the day. We have the patches. Those are for acute flaring situations. But it's really simple. We have a pillow cover that you can put your pillow in and it's grounded and put your pillowcase over the top. So when you go to sleep. A lot of people love that product. Yeah, but it's something again, you don't have to do anything.

It's not a new habit. What would you say is the daily routine that all people should be thinking about with grounding? If you're like, you know what? I've only got 20 minutes to try this thing out a day. Whatever you recommend. Is it going outside barefoot? Is it getting the pad and putting your feet on the pad? What would you say is a daily routine people should do?

Well, I usually tell a story. I don't know how much time we have here, but I usually tell a story that kind of helps answer that. When I was young, I was babysitting cows. And when you're babysitting cows, what you're really doing is you're looking at them and make sure they're healthy and happy. And if you see one that's different than the herd or acting strange or glassy eyed or bawling, then you take them out of the herd, put them in a pen, and then you have to go ride the pasture, make sure the water's okay, make sure there's no noxious weeds coming up, make sure the grass is okay, and a few other things. And then normally the grass, something's wrong. So you move the herd to a different section of the pasture and fence them off. And then that other calf or whatever will straighten out and put her back in the herd. So I have this prevention thing that's kind of helped me do this because I always think, what's the cause? What caused this? Rather than do I need this pill or that? The root. Yeah, what's the root cause? So that's my background and I was raised that way anyhow. But so anyhow, sometimes when I was out there in the summer, some years you'd have an infestation of jackrabbits. And at night, sometimes you'd be driving down the road and there are so many jackrabbits. And remember, this is Montana, there's no water there, but you drive down the road and it would look like there's a lake out there because it was the light reflecting off the jackrabbits size, that's how many there were. So anyhow, during the day there was just this jackrabbits everywhere. But it's fun to watch him because a coyote was always sneaking up on the jackrabbit. Soon as the jackrabbit would be aware of, then the, the ears would go up and then jackrabbit can spring 10ft in the air and then he'll zigzag back and forth across the pasture, keeping one eye on the coyote. And then you know, the chase go and the chase goes on and then eventually they're generally the coyote runs out of energy and it'll just lay there panting. So anyhow, the jackra will run just a little bit further. Conservation of energy is everything in nature. So a rabbit will run just a little bit further and then he'll stop and he'll sit there and you can see, because you're close enough, you can see this. And he'll sit there quivering and then all of a sudden, over time goes on, he'll have this big visceral shake. Then he'll go back to eating grass like nothing ever happened. Eventually the coyote gets up and wanders off because he's got to go restore his energy. Anyhow. Now I know that that rabbit is grounding out the cortisol from the elevated, shaking it out. Well, it's the inflammation that was created from the cortisol and everything. And the charge, I mean you, you're burning adrenaline so you're creating inflammation in the body. And so anyhow, you ground out the inflammation. The inflammation doesn't come out, the ground comes up and reduces the excess radicals that otherwise will oxidize and create inflammation. So anyhow, the reason I tell that story is most women today, almost, almost all women of certain, you know, over 30, they have some kind of an inflammation related health disorder. Really, they're not healthy. I mean, they're healthy, but they're doing everything. They're right even they go out and exercise. They exercise too much, that creates inflammation, you know, so on and so forth. But yeah, so what I try to get across is, and I learned this from some of the Ms. Ladies because I always ask them, you know, what happened in your life prior to, prior to Ms. Developing? In the beginning they can't tell you. And then after a little bit they said, well, that was when I lost my house in 208 and I lost my job or whatever and they went into a chronically elevated fight or flight state. Body flooded with cortisol and then they couldn't get out of it. That created pain, that pain created more cortisol. And so then they ended up with lupus, Ms. Or whatever. But the reason I tell this story is because women, and I work with 99% women, guys will not buy, are not going to buy earthing products. That's how I'll do it myself. It's too simple. Whatever, or this can't be true. If it were, I'd know about it. But women are different. Women, they kind of know they're intuitively connected to the earth. A woman gets up in the morning, she's sleeping on a foam bed with normal coveries and so bed full of static electricity. And she gets up in the morning and she's stressed or fatigued and doesn't have a lot of energy. And the first thing she's got to do is take care, get the kids ready, get them off to school, whatever. If she still has a mate, she's feeding her mate and getting her mate off. 80% of all women over 30 sleep alone. Really, it's because of inflammation, health disorder, health issues, and the anger and whatever. All the things that go with not being well contribute to this. But yeah, so they get up in the morning, they get their kids off to school, they do all those things, and it's a rush. And then they. When they're gone, that's taken care of. Then they have to go take, feed themselves, take care of their own. That's a rush, whatever's going on. Then they have to jump in a car, get dressed with a lot of clothing. Sometimes that creates charge, but anyhow, they're not grounded, but they've got all this. So, you know, so anyhow, it goes on. And so then she goes to work, and then she's got to put up with the boss, put up with the clients or whatever stresses they're there, Traffic to go there, traffic to come home. And so when she gets home, I need a drink, I need something, you know, so basically what I try to get across, and then she takes that to bed, that stress of all that is still in the body. So what I call, I call this coyote juice. Cortisol. I said everything is a coyote. And so the kids are a coyote in the morning. Your husband's a coyote, your boss is a coyote, the traffic's a coyote. So the coyote causes the rabbit to, you know, trigger a fight or flight, and cortisol is secreted into the system. So if that's chronic all day long, you got these little spikes of cortisol. That cortisol is building up in your body. And so you're. You end up with a lot of anxiety, irritability, sometimes just anger and depression and those kind of things. And it's relentless. So when you get home at night, you're full of coyote juice, you're full of cortisol. So I don't care if you don't do anything else, go. When you come home at night, especially women, go outdoors, take a chair, that's all you can do, and put your feet on the earth and sit there for 30 minutes and drain all that inflammation. Women think about the inflammation going out of their body and into the earth, that's fine. It's the earth coming up and reducing the radicals, but it doesn't matter. But you need to drain this. You need to dampen and reduce this inflammation in your body. Then you can enjoy the kids. Then you can go to bed and wake up in the morning and feel better. But if you wake up in the morning and you got aches and pains and you don't feel good, then you need to consider sleeping grounded. Because in nature, you would always have been grounded. You couldn't have laying on the ground.

Yeah, exactly.

So anyhow, I'm not sure what prompted that dialogue.

The. The grounding routine that we should all be thinking about.

Yeah, so start there. If you can't do anything else in the world, it's free, and it will change your life, I guarantee it. Yeah, I guarantee it.

What's your strat? What's your routine look like on a daily basis? Well, you barefoot a lot? Are you using the sandals? Or you have all the mats and everything, or.

Well, I've been grounded for most of 20 years. Longer. I've been doing the studies for 23, so I guess over 20 years. And I started out with the little ground planes that I was using on the subjects, and I had lots of pain, and I didn't want the pain. So really, I kept my pain down because, like, again, I said, you know, I grew up on a ranch. I. And ski. I had more injuries than. Yeah, I. I remember sometimes in. In my. Somewhere around 53, 54, I went outdoors one day and I looked up the sky and I said, God, why did you make my body with so much pain in it? Because I was in chronic pain just from all the injuries. And whatever I learned later, it was me that did that. But. But anyhow, I sleep ground. I sleep on a grounded ground mat, grounding, bed cover, mattress cover. I have a pillow. It's grounded. Pillow covers, pillowcase over the top.

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I have a mat underneath my computer so I have a bigger ground mat under my chair and desk. So I'm barefoot all the time. Really the only time I am not barefoot is when I go outdoors generally. And I have a house that has a nice saltiel tile floor. So they're grounded and so I'm really grounded most of the time. And then when I go outdoors in summer, certain months you can go barefoot certain areas, but generally I'll just wear the grounded flip flops. And I don't like to walk as much as I used to because of the seasons. But certain seasons I love to walk, you know, because you can walk forever, sure, but the wind, sometimes the heat, you know, in Vegas or something, depending on where I'm at, what I'm doing Right. But anyhow, I'm grounded probably 90% of the time.

And you feel like you're pretty pain free except for, I mean maybe bone injuries or.

I don't have any pain. Oh, I don't have, I don't have any inflammation and inflammatory pain.

And what's your diet look like? Are you pretty?

In the morning I will get up. I generally will have two to three eggs, avocado and sometimes some like keto toast. Some mornings, other mornings I'll have the keto type bread and the nut butter, almond butter, walnut butter or things like that and some course some nice organic jam. My keto doesn't work very well, but I try to cut the carbs out, you know, the excess bread carbs.

Yeah.

And I, I don't divert from them much.

Yeah.

And then at lunch I usually have soup. I, I mean I'll eat soup before I'll eat anything and then at dinner I will, you know, have fish and vegetables or something, you know, a little meat, get my 4 ounces of meat. But I don't eat a lot of meat. I just don't. My body doesn't crave it. I love bananas. Green, you know, on the green side, I'd like to eat blueberries. I buy the blueberries and I freeze them. And then during the day I'll snack on eating the frozen blueberries or raspberries or things like that. So now does that mean I don't do anything bad? That's not true. I still like sweet treats.

Yeah, I love sweets. Yeah, that's my advice.

Keep the cookies out of the house.

Yeah, exactly.

Because they'll be gone in a half hour.

Exactly.

I don't care how many there are.

I'm curious about your thoughts on, you know, when I grew up, I grew up right before video games came. Right. It's like they started to come when I was 5 to 10, but I was still going outside every day.

Right.

My mom would say, go out and play. I would come back and started to play some video games. But I really got into sports in an early age and became more obsessed with going to the soccer field, the football field, the basketball court, and being in the gym playing sports. Right. Or being in the backyard playing whatever we're playing as kids. And I felt like I'm so glad I got the experience of being outside a lot, climbing the trees, doing everything and just playing like a kid. Will play with kids now that happens very little. And kids grow up on their iPad when they're, you know, 60 days old or on an iPhone or on a TV. There's multiple screens in front of their face.

Yes.

Inside, safe, protected, soft things around them. Carpeted. Not going out outside as much. What is your advice to parents who are starting to raise kids for the future about the importance of grounding and being outside. What are the bad things that could happen if they don't do those things?

Well, we already know that 40% of our kids can be diagnosed at some level of diabetes. They have chronic allergies. Allergies or inflammation related health disorders. They're full of anxiety, add, adhd. I used to call that tennis Gitis. I don't do that anymore. I don't want to get in trouble with the shoe companies. But so it's. Think of it this way. Health. Health is your most natural state in nature. You can see it in the animal world. Health is your most natural state. If you don't have health, then something is interfering with your immune system's ability to maintain and restore health. So if a child has health issues of any kind, then it's generally because the immune system is compromised and the only way you can maintain and keep them healthy Is to get them grounded, some portion. Sleeping grounded is easy. Put it under the sheet. They don't even know kids over the age of seven if they're into video games after that you're not going to change that. It's not possible.

Right.

So we have ground mats and a lot of the gamers use them. So you can. You have to use artificial. Yeah.

Ground still better than nothing, right?

Well, it's identical there.

Oh, it is identical, yeah, yeah.

Because it's conductive. Earth is electrical. Is conductive. Electrical travels the speed of light around the world. You know, it's.

But is it better to be outdoors and in grass or to have a mat, a grounding mat, you know, all day?

What's.

It's better to be outdoors barefoot than on the earth breathing fresh air with sunshine coming down.

Right.

The other problems are fresh air, the pollutants in our indoor air and loss of sunlight. We put roofs over us in our heads now we no longer. We're all short of vitamin D so our health is compromised. Grounding is not. It's not the cure all or anything like that. It's might be a. It's one of the causals. Loss of vitamin D, loss of ground, loss of pressure.

Those are one of the things. Yeah, yeah.

Something in your environment is compromising your immune system. And if you are indoors and you're breathing air that's challenging, then the immune system has to deal with every. Everything you breathe. It has to deal with your cells and all that kind of. If you don't get enough sunlight, you don't get enough vitamin D. That's going to affect everything in your body if you. Oxygen, everything. It's universal. It's not one thing, it's everything. We stepped out of nature. We need to put our toe back in nature. The young moms, I try to work with the young moms because they are the ones taking care of these children. But the moms themselves are in trouble. So we try to ground them. The first thing they do is ground their mom so. So she can get freed up and have a little. Get her life back or get her own life back so she can take care of her family and so on. And then I tried to, you know, you have to find ways to entertain these children. We used to go, love to go play in the creek, go build caves, do whatever we. Last thing you ever wanted to do is go in the house until television came along.

You had to, you know, I remember my mom having to like call me in late at night. It's like it's 8, 9, 10 o'.

Clock.

And she's like yelling for you to come back in the house because you wanted to be out playing the whole night.

Yeah. You say, I don't want to stop playing games. Maybe sleep in the barn before you.

Sleep in the house. Exactly.

But I don't have the answers. But if you can't do it any other way. I mean, if we ground a child or if we put a ground pad in a home, the animals are going to gravitate to it. The children, a lot of the children will start using it the younger they are. We have, you know, children, they know when they're grounded or not. Oh, wow. And they miss their grounding. You know, when they don't, they need to get grounded.

Yeah.

Because they feel better when they're grounded. The kids are going to feel better when you go outdoors and sit on the earth. And that's what I tell the moms, too, is a lot of health. What's feeding the cortisol in the body is a lot of it's mental, a lot of it's environmental, but a lot of it's psychological. And that causes the fight or flight to trigger, and that's what's causing this cortisol. The thing I've learned over the years is you can take a child or an adult or somebody who's angry, mad, whatever, take their shoes off, put them outdoors for 30 minutes, and they lose all of it. The anger goes away, the demeanor changes. They just change. They're different. The pain comes down, the circulation comes up, the demeanor shifts. They see a smile, but it's hard to be upset. It's hard to experience all these things that we experience in the home when we're in nature. That's true. It's crazy, but it's. I can't say exactly what it is, but. Well, it is Getting rid of the inflammation in the body and the immune system can then go back to restore the body and pain. You just have more O2, more energy.

I've got a couple final questions for you. One is about your time growing up and having a lot of close friends who are Native Americans. What were the greatest lessons that they taught you? Because I feel like that community has, I want to say, forgotten. But it's been not as. Been respected as much in the most recent years in America. What are the lessons you learned from them growing up? And are you still in contact with any of those friends?

Well, at 78, and most of them are gone, that I grew up with, I think a Lot of the younger Native Americans, they have a sense of it and they're trying to pull that back. But the thing that I learned about being with these Native Americans is they're not like us back then. They didn't understand ownership. How can you own a tree? How can you own the land? The land belongs to everyone. But ownership was a foreign concept to Native American back then. You had the tribes, but the tribes and the reservations that were. The government created that, they didn't do that, but they were more. They would live down low in the winter and move up to summer pasture. You know, I grew up in Montana, up in the Priors, that would be the summer camp and so on. But anyhow, they lived more in tune with nature. Most people wouldn't know Errol Byss, but he. He was a Native American from Hardin, Montana Crow Agency and famous painter. And I bought a lot of his paintings. And I would give them other people business things, but I kept a lot of them. But one of them he made special for me. But he painted. It was a bit. He called it the Tunnel of light in the Bitterroot. And it was over in Missoula, Montana area. But here's two little riders down here on horses, and then here's trees and then here's all these other things. But in this big, huge painting, there's just. But the idea behind it was these horses and these humans were just a piece of all of it. They weren't prominent. They weren't, you know, whatever. And so the concept there is. They see themselves as being a part of everything. I mean, a blade of grass is your cousin, an ant is. You don't kill anything, you don't destroy anything, and you're. Anything you take, you, honor. Sounds kind of woo, sounds whatever, but there's more to it than that. It's a sensation of feeling. It's a way of life. Sure, it's a peaceful way of life because they aren't angry people and they take care of each other. I can't imagine not having the essence of what I learned from them in my being because it makes me like a Boy Scout half the time sometimes I should be stronger about things, but I'm more of a. They care for the. They care for their environment. They don't take anything they don't need. They don't waste life. They don't go sport hunting. But anyhow, it's. I don't know what. It's a way of life and it's just something that makes you feel good inside.

That's Beautiful.

It's earthy.

Earthy. This is a question I ask everyone at the end of our interviews. It's called the Three Truths. So I'd like you to imagine that you continue to live as long as you want to live and you continue to accomplish or fulfill the things you want to fulfill in your life and continue to live a healthy life. But it's the last day on earth for you. At some point, that last day, you have to take everything with you, everything that you've created. The book, the programs, this interview, anything you've ever shared, it has to go somewhere. Whether it goes with you or somewhere else, we don't have access to that information anymore. Hypothetical scenario, but you get to leave behind three lessons to the world. Only three things that you could share. And this is all we would have to remember your information and your content by. What would you say are those three truths that you'd leave behind?

I think number one is family. And there's, you know, you've got your own personal family, then you have your community, and then you have your bigger community, communities and your whatever. But it's about taking care of each other like we would a family. I think it's. I've never looked in a person in my whole life, from the richest to the poorest to the whatever that I didn't feel or see. I mean, he's me or I'm her or whatever. We're all the same. We're all one. And I think it's important that we need to take care of each other rather than beliefs, political politics, religion. It's innate. Truth is. I mean, heart, you know, there's something there. I'm challenged for words sometimes, but it's about family and taking care of each other. But money is evil. Capitalism, the way we. I shouldn't say it that way. It's. If your life is about money, you do not have a life. Money is a byproduct of. I found that money. You don't need to worry about money. You just need to go and provide benefit. Provide things that help other people, that are going to improve people's lot in life. But if you go to work just for money, that's evil. Because you don't have a conscience. You lose, sure. You lose yourself, sure. And the third thing, when you're younger, you know, you're out there working and you are taking care of your family or whatever you're doing and all the things that go on in life and you forget about yourself. I think most people do. I did and on my. When I almost lost it, I think that scared me more than anything else. And so I think it's important, rather than learn it at 70 or 60 or 80, whatever, but to go back and say, find yourself and take care of yourself. Mm. Take care of that little boy.

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

And. And be grateful. If anything, just. It's hard to understand life. It's really a challenge to figure it all out. And it takes years because it's about learning what not to do, and it's about getting rid of all those beliefs, all those bricks of beliefs that. That you're encased in and undoing all of that so that you can find and see. And again, a lot of people call it finding God, finding that it's there and one day you will find it. And when you experience that, then sometimes you're not going to be able to ever explain. Helps you to know that you are a piece of this. You're not separate from it. And so it's about being happy with yourself, really putting yourself first. Take care of your health.

That's beautiful.

Yeah. Take care of yourself.

That's beautiful. Clint, I want to acknowledge you for the incredible transformation you've had in your life and the journey you went on. I think it's amazing how you grew up on the, you know, on the land, essentially, and then went into make money business mode in the cable electrical side of things. And then you lost your health and then came back around full circle and used the different skills that you developed over the time to now help people heal and help people find solutions and really just get back to what we're supposed to be doing as human beings, being in nature, being human beings, not, I don't know, inside beings or something. So I really acknowledge you for the journey that you've been on and the mission that you have to educate, to teach, to provide these products for people to really heal. And it's an amazing journey.

You're on it.

I'm glad that you're an example. At 78, without inflammation, without that pain, flexible, still thriving and being the example by living this way, how can we best be of support to you? Where can we go for your website to learn about the books and the products and all these different things?

Well, theearthinginstitute.net is where we kind of parked all of the studies, Links to the movies, links to the book. The Earthing book is on Amazon, of course, and it's free when they buy order any products. The. So the Earthing Institute is a good.

Resource you can research all the, all the case studies, all the, everything that's been.

There's 20, 20 some years of research there. Untold amounts of time and money was invested in that. There's no advertising, it's not political, it's not anything. It's just what it is. And earthing.com is where the.

Earthing.com.

Yeah, it's. They have products from 29, 39, 69, 99, 199. You can get about anything. You want to ground yourself or to ground some member of your family. And, and on the other hand, in the early days, I remember talking to California Health Services, which is kind of like National Institute of Health Sciences, and they said, we understand what you're doing, but before you run out there and tell the people they got a problem, they need a no cost solution and they need a low cost solution.

Yes.

Well, I delivered the. No cost is very simple. Just go outside and spend as much time there until you figure it out. And if you have chronic things or environmental things, you do need these low cost tools. Sure. And all they are is the extension course of the earth. The products themselves don't do anything except conduct earth's energy to your body. So you can, rather than going laying on the grass, you can lay on the ground.

So it's earthing.com theearthinginstitute.net we'll have all this linked up. There's a movie, right?

Yeah, the Earthing movie is at the. I think there's a link there. Otherwise there you can go to YouTube. There's a bunch of a variety of videos. Sure. The Earthing movie is an award winning movie documentary. There was a little short version of it. I think they were like 60 minutes, 60 million views that went viral.

Wow, that's great.

And we didn't have enough product. We didn't have anything, everybody. So it's intuitive. Sure. This rings true with.

Yeah, of course.

With people.

Of course.

And they go outdoors. The first thing they do after they see the movie, they run outdoors.

Yeah.

And get grounded.

Absolutely.

Could this be true?

It's crazy. Clint, love this final question for you. What's your definition of greatness?

I think greatness, you know, it's a personal thing. It's not something that somebody thinks I'm great. It's. I think it's about, wow, I was able to touch people's lives in ways that helped or they were better. Just like I remember doing one little project that probably touched every home in America. Don't need to mention it. But Anyhow, it saved people money, you know, the industries and things like that. But more importantly, I was able to have a vision and see the future 20 years ahead of myself. That's been my problem my whole life. But I was able to put pull together data and put it on satellite feed. It took personal computer, which all of that kind of filtered into the Internet and so on. The Internet couldn't be here if we hadn't built cable the way we did. So it's not like I was a piece and a part of this thing, this thing called life. It's all connected. It's all one thing. And I was a piece and part of it. And I did good. I think I did good. And I think gratefulness is, greatness is. I'm grateful I was a part of it or be able to contribute, but greatness is being able to go on your way out and have a smile on your face.

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