The Superfood Mindset: Enhance Your Brain, Body & Life w/Darin Olien EP 1088

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Ann Wigmore said, the food you eat can be either the safest and most powerful form of medicine or the slowest form of poison. And actor Robert Urich said, A healthy outside starts from the inside. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My guest today is Darren Olan, who is a highly recognized exotic superfoods hunter, supplement formulator, co-host of the hit Netflix show Down to Earth with Zac Efron, and author of the New York Times bestselling book, Super Life, the five fixes that will keep you healthy, fit, and eternally awesome. And in this episode, we discuss why water is incredibly important to our health and how to make sure you're drinking the healthiest types of water, the starter kit for optimizing our health, the correct way to separate your foods before eating, what foods you should and shouldn't be eating in general, and so many other fascinating insights that'll change the way you view nutrition and your health. If you're enjoying this in make sure to share this with someone you think would be inspired by this as well. Just copy and paste the link wherever you're listening to this podcast. And as well, click the subscribe button over on Apple podcast and leave us a review letting us know what you enjoyed the most out of this episode. Okay, in just a moment, the one.

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Welcome everyone back to the School of Greatness podcast. We've got Darren Oluwin in the house. My man.

Hey man.

Good to see you. Good to chat with you off camera. Congrats on everything. Down to Earth, massive success. I watched it in like one day. And I was actually, the first episode, I was like, is it gonna pick up? Like the first episode for me was actually not the best episode. But then once I got through that, I was like, the rest of them were bangers for me. So it was amazing. And the end is incredibly inspiring of the journey that you go through and everything. So if people haven't watched that yet, they should watch it because they're going to learn a lot about some of the things we talk about here. I want to start you with a question that I ask a lot of nutritional experts. It's a hypothetical question, so bear with me. And I know you've studied pretty much every superfood there is. But if you were stranded on an island and you could only eat five foods, five foods. For the rest of your life. Hypothetical question. But it needed to keep you strong and healthy and happy and whole. What would those five key foods or ingredients be that you would eat? Kind of these core foods. And every doctor nutritionist has a different take, so I'm curious your philosophy.

Okay, I love that you didn't ask me this before we turn the camera. I actually love because it's great that it's spontaneous. I would say spirulina.

Okay.

Moringa, aloe vera. You've got moringa, which is the vitamin tree. That is another term for that. So that gives you the idea of the antioxidants, the micronutrients that are actually within the whole leaf of that tree. You've got spirulina, quite possibly one of the most nutrient dense foods in its raw form. Different powder.

How do you get it raw?

There's a great company, they're gonna love me right now, I get nothing from it. Raw Living Spirulina, it comes to you fresh frozen. It is the only company that I know of that is doing it.

Okay. Moringa. What is Moringa?

Oh dude.

Well first off, what does spirulina do for the body when you're taking the raw form?

Well in the raw form you've got All B vitamins, including B12, B6, B9, B12, all of that.

Is this a liquid? Is this a... No, it's like a plant. Is this a root?

So it's grown in fresh water. It's a type of algae, type of blue-green algae. So you've got a mimicking of hemoglobin, red blood cells, you've got chelation ability of heavy metals, you've got obviously the B vitamins, vitamin E, high amount of antioxidants, complete protein in its right form, not a huge amount because you can also make that argument too much protein is also as its detriment. And then you're shifting over to Moringa, which is literally I've, I've studied and researched Moringa in probably six to seven countries. And it is an extremely strong and powerful leaf. You just grind it up and literally call the vitamin tree. Or in Africa, they also call it Nevadai. So, you take it and you never die.

Never die.

Nevadai.

Moringa. It's a tree or it's a leaf.

It's a, well, you eat the leaf. It's a tree, but you can actually-.

It's a Moringa tree.

It's a Moringa, yeah. So, it's technically a bush, but you can let it grow, but you want to, if you're growing it, you cut it off and then it proliferates the leaves and you actually get more harvest out of it. I've done some work with the indigenous people throughout Arizona and I experimented and grew Moringa in Arizona and it turns out, and I worked with some processors in Palm Desert, friends of mine who have facilities, and I did the top selling moringa that I had in the market with mine, and I blew the nutrition away just because of the understanding I have learned. So, the nutrients, calcium, magnesium, potassium, vitamin E, 36 different types of antioxidants. Wow. Again, complete protein. Now, if you're going to say I get the Moringa shrub or tree with me in this journey on an island, now I actually get the oil, the beneficial oil from the seeds, which look like drumsticks. And I can filter water with those seeds and create clean water. So now you're kind of like layering it. Okay, you're layering it.

Where can you get the Moringa from? Where's the best source?

I'm telling you, I've been wanting to put Moringa out in the marketplace for a long time because I haven't seen great Moringa yet. So, I don't have a clear, clean source of it. Because when you cut it and you don't process it, dry it and pulverize it and wash it right away, and you transport it over time, the antioxidants, it starts degrading pretty quickly.

So it's not as quality, it's not even worth taking unless it's...

It's not that it's not worth taking, you're just not quite getting all of the nutrients. I studied the nutrients in those forms, you're just not getting quite as much of the vitamin and antioxidant capacity. And then I think I would pick the king of all fruits with me, so notice I'm stacking up pretty heavily.

So this is number three then.

Yeah. The three is probably the king of all fruits, which is durian. D-U-R-I-A-N.

The fruit.

Durian fruit is a spiky, gnarly Southeast Asia is typically where it's from. It actually can kill people when it falls off a tree and it actually does. It's got spikes on it. When you crack it open, it looks.

Like a coconut with spikes.

Yeah. Wow. And it breaks open and it looks like brains and it smells like a sewer. Oh man. And it's illegal in Southeast Asia to actually bring it in public buildings.

To eat it because it smells so bad.

You can't bring it in on buses, you can't bring it on planes, you can't bring it in hotels because it smells so bad.

So is the nutritional value is so high though?

So high.

Really?

Yeah. So antioxidants again, huge array of vitamins and they call it the king of all fruits because of its interesting composition.

Can people get that here?

There used to be a group that was sending it frozen here. I'm not sure that they still are in existence. And I used to eat it dried. So there was a group that dried it. It didn't smell as bad and my God, it is my favorite fruit.

It tastes good.

Yeah.

Smelly brains taste good.

Some people don't like it. But if you like it, it's one of the favorites. So that one for sure. Number four. And I think I would pull in the king of all mushrooms. This is a royalty we're talking about. You just asked the Super Boot Hunter. You just asked the Super Boot Hunter. Yes. you're gonna bring in. So I would bring in the king of all mushrooms, and that is chaga mushrooms. And. And I named my dog chaga. So there you go. The reverence that I have for chaga mushrooms, the probably the most highest antioxidant whole compound mushroom in the world. So it's gonna keep. I'm on this desert island. I'm definitely gonna keep my immune system cranking. I'm gonna crept. keep the cortisol levels low. I'm going to keep my endocrine system balanced. So, I'm going to sip on chaga tea all day, every day.

Okay. And, number five, and where can we get that?

Chaga mushrooms everywhere. I mean, Tero at Four Sigmatic has a dual extracted chaga. You can also get chaga. There's a great company, Rose Mountain Herbs, that Does a lot of harvesting well, and you can get the full chunks of chaga and you can simmer that for hours and hours and hours and keep that just simmering.

Drink it as a tea.

Yep. And drink it as a tea, you can add cacao with it, a little sweetener.

It's decadent and delicious. Wow. Okay.

King of mushrooms, chaga mushrooms and number five. Yeah, number five. Let me see. I would probably pick, I'm gonna go back to the adaptogens. It is a berry, sweet, sour, bitter, pungent, and salty, have all five flavors.

In one berry?

In one berry.

What's it called?

Called Schizandra.

Schizandra.

If you want to name your first child.

Schizandra.

It's called Schizandra.

How do you spell that?

Oh man, there's a few different spellings, but it's S-C-H-I-Z-A-N-D-R-A. something like that.

Schizandra berry.

Berry. So, it's this beautiful berry that grows in some sovereign areas near Tibet and the eastern area of China. I've been there.

You've picked the berries.

I absolutely picked the berries and eat them raw. You can ferment and make even a decadent little wine out of it. I've celebrated with the remote China people in that area with Schizandra celebrations when they've harvested it. So it is, and traditional Chinese medicine, it has been used probably is one of the oldest in record adaptogenic herbs that traditional Chinese medicine use. And they use it as kind of a base because it's so well balanced. and it balances out your body over time, both in stress response, cortisol, endocrine, overall strength, and then of course, stress. But, if you're on an island, you don't have to worry about it unless some animals are going to come and jump on you. So, I think that's it, man. I think that's, I'm beautiful with eating that and sipping on that and eating those berries.

Okay. Those are the five main things you would eat. Okay, so for how many of these do you actually have on a regular basis?

I have all of those on a regular basis, almost for sure weekly, except durian.

Okay.

I have a hard time getting durian myself unless I'm in Southeast Asia at some point.

Bali or... Then you're getting it a lot.

Then I'm getting... Overloading it. I'm paying someone to go get it. To go get it out. For sure. That's my breakfast every day. Wow. Yep.

So for the rest of the humans, what would be a starter kit to start optimizing your health? Where should we think about in terms of our health? If we're a little bit overweight or not feeling the way we want to, how would we start to assess our health to get on a better path for a journey moving forward in terms of what, I mean, everything you covered in this book, super life, but also in Down to Earth, you cover a lot of things in there. What would be the kind of starter kit you think from that Journey?

Well, you can say them the, the normal things of, like, there's a lot. I mean, that's a big question because, you know, making sure you're sleeping well, sleep, making sure you're turning off your electronics. making sure you're doing those things, which, which is also like, it would take me a 30 minutes to even unpack all of what that, that is. But then I would go to water. Of course, water is a big thing. And so water, which was the most.

Fascinating episode I think you guys had.

Yeah, it was pretty great. And that was, that was one half of one percent of what water is. Wow. And I've studied water. Like, I've studied and I've been shoulder to shoulder with some of, like, I four days in Bulgaria at a water conference with some of the greatest researchers of living today doing research that will blow your mind on water.

So, not all water is created equal.

Not at all. But water is influenced by everything. So, everything it's around. Our field, our energetic field, our frequencies, the electronics, the pipes it's going through or in nature. Victor Schauberger, incredible researcher and observer of nature and watched and was one of the first people to understand the vortative nature of water that it doesn't move in a straight line. It's flowing, it's flowing and vortexing. Like a snake or a vortexing. It's a vortexing and that is structuring it plus the electromagnetic field naturally of this big battery that we see sit on, which is the Earth. And then the influence of the fields of the Sun, right, is creating electrolysis. So it's helping, as well as chelating the minerals. So all of that being, it's structuring the water. And so that is alive water with high oxygen, high amount of hydrogen and essential minerals. So now what you're really talking about is you're talking about a conductor. live force that you're taking in because we are 70 trillion batteries. We are an electrical being. Same with like, and then so water deconstruct the water and then build the water back up because unless you can find your own spring, that's number one. And it's clean and doesn't have pesticides or herbicides or runoff or whatever weird chemicals we've put into our world, right? We have 90,000 new chemicals being emitted in our world every year. Of that, 9% is tested. So that is on our planet, in our waterways. So that being said, I want to make sure that people understand if you have fresh, clean, alive, spring water, that's the best. But it's very hard.

How many springs are there in America?

Exactly. And are, and you know, so for most of us, very hard to have access.

Is there such a thing as clean water that can make you sick?

Well, that's a very interesting question. Of course, on the one hand, But there is no water that is the same. And water isn't 100% clean unless your reverse osmosis and distillation is probably your best bet to make sure that nothing's traveling in it. But they absolutely have energetic fields that are influencing the water. So Dr. Emoto's work, when He took x-ray or he took photographs of the geometry of water when they put love on a bottle and all of that stuff. That work has been proliferated by scientists all over the world. And Dr. Luc Montagnier did a DNA test of physical DNA in water and then a glass next to it. And it just being in proximity, the physical DNA transmitted the frequency information in the water next to it.

As a dem- and two different glass jars just by being in proximity.

Yeah. So it picked up the energetic fingerprint of the DNA that was in the one glass. The point to that is- Wow. Yeah. that's how think of water as an empty hard drive. If we put an empty hard drive right here and we plugged in our computers, would it decipher or would it reject input that you would have or I would have? We could put completely different things. It would just accept whatever information.

We're saying put it.

Exactly. Water is the same.

Now.

Absolutely. So physically, chemically, biologically, and quantumly, they're showing that water is being influenced by all of those things. And they believe, and they're already working on this, that a droplet of water is equal to enabling to be able to have and store the amount of hard drives it would take to fill up this room in one droplet of water. The ability to- the amount of what? The energy- the amount of water that you could infuse and store information.

It's just one droplet.

One droplet as much as the room we're sitting in.

How is that possible?

I don't know how it's possible.

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Is what they're discovering. Here's the thing of all of who's.

They just so i'm aware.

So. So I attended. So, Dr. Jerry Pawlik, you should have them on. Dr. Gerald Pawlik or Jerry Pawlik. He wrote a book called the Fourth Phase of Water. Now, we're getting into it heavy right here, right? So, I'm having to pull back because our whole episode would be about water.

That's great though, yeah.

But Gerald Pollack discovered that there's what's called, and now he's influenced the way all researchers are looking at water because he discovered a fourth phase of water.

What's the first three phases?

Well, the first phases. is water, liquid, steam, right? And then ice, of course. Okay. And so, the fourth phase. And I'm going to try to make this very simple. What he discovered was when water came up against a hydrophilic surface, meaning that it was not accepting water, just It wasn't- Bouncing off. Yeah, bouncing off. So it's coming up against a cell membrane. Yeah, so if it came up against this and it just didn't infuse itself right in, or a cell. So he was looking at a cell membrane, which is essentially fatty acids. He discovered that through a microscope, there was a zone that the water pushed the electrons and protons away from each other.

What does that mean?

It means that it demonstrated battery-like activity. It created polarity when it came up against this fil- it created, this is going to blow your mind, it created energy by just coming up to that, by pushing those electrons away from each other. And this was called, which he termed, an exclusion zone within that tiny band, the protons and electrons, battery-like activity, there was distillation water. Essentially, it created clean water.

So, water that goes up against this mug inside, potentially, could go against it and create this.

So, that was monumental. Because what that shows us is when you are hydrated and it's interacting with cells that literally create energy of every cell of the 70 trillion plus cells we have. So literally, and you look through the research, what is the number one consequence of dehydration? Overall fatigue. Look it up.

Being tired.

Bingo. And you now add on top of it, Louis, nearly about 7%, so let's call it 10%. About 30 million people in the United States do not drink an ounce of water a day.

Really?

Swear.

Wait, how many people?

Nearly 30 million. 30 million people. Don't drink water. Don't drink an ounce of water a day. They're just drinking sea water. You wake up, you reach out, you're like, oh, I'm fatigued.

I reach out for the stimulant. I reach out for the coffee. I reach out for whatever. So they're drinking water in different forms.

But they're drinking Coke or coffee. Exactly. Juice or something else. And they're probably not eating any fresh fruits or vegetables, which actually has this exclusion zone water in it already. So when you're eating fruit, nature has already sorted it. So you actually can get quite hydrated by the watermelon, by the fresh oranges, by the apples, by the things, by the grapes, by the... So that's a tight... So Gerald Pollack created a water conference. I think it's 15 years going. And I was at the 2018 in Bulgaria. So, in between us filming, we were all over the place for three and a half months and I said, Screw it, I'm going to this water conference.

You were filming and you left.

Well, we had a two weeks where we had a break before we were going to our next location. So, I took off to Bulgaria and.

You'Re already in Europe. So, you might as well.

So, I said, I'm hanging out with the smartest people in the world. I couldn't even follow 10% of the heavy, heavy science that they were getting into. met a lot of incredible researchers to the point where I'm creating vortexing machines and jugs and stuff to be able to create exclusion water and to create live water again. So I have some of that stuff from researchers from that conference that I'm bringing out in the world to so water deadens as it's going through our pipes. It loses that energy, that exclusion zone, that type of live energy. So essentially, we're drinking, even though it's clean, we need to clean it. RO, reverse osmosis with distillation, add a pinch of Himalayan crystal salt. Make sure that you're creating it and you're looking through the lens of voltage. Our bodies are alive, it's electrical, it's voltage. Cells work through voltage. When we get injured, our body increases cellular voltage to increase healing potential. So, and that could be looked at as pH. That in the body is looked at as pH, and a lot of people don't realize that is just the measurement in that form of voltage. So, when you look at water, you need to make it alive again so that it's conductive and so that your body doesn't have to steal things from inside and zap your energy. So, if I take live water, boom, it's gonna go into my cells and it's gonna allow for hydration to increase. So anyway, that's a tiny bit, but I spent a lot of time with those guys and that's a, it's a deep rabbit, even in the show. We chose to go into Lourdes and just talk about something's going on with water.

So for 99% of people who get bottled water, they drink out of a tap, maybe they have a glass jug that comes to them once a week, whatever, like myself, 99% of America and probably the world, 99.9%, what can they do to make their own water more alive, more efficient, more optimized? Is there a way when you have just bottled water or water at a tap to do this yourself at home?

Sure. The first thing is clean it on a deep level. So you want to reverse osmosis or distillation.

Some type of filter.

Yeah, but these are RO is a type of membrane that doesn't allow for anything to get through. Got it. And distillation is liquid vaporization reconstitute again. So nothing gets to carry with it. So you're cleaning it now. Very important not to just drink that water. Okay? Because now you need the electrolytes. You have to have the electrolytes. so there's some electrolyte companies out there. Most are kind of not okay. So the easiest thing for people to do, unrefined salt, crystal salt, Himalayan salt, a pinch per glass, a half a teaspoon per gallon will now create a conductive thing. Now, make sure you just buy this filter. You can get these things for a few hundred bucks. Eliminate plastic.

Which filter?

What's the filter called? So I even have a discount for people. So Aqua True is a great reverse osmosis. So if you go to darinel.com and my affiliates, they give all people who want to order that, like 150 bucks off. That is not even meant to plug. It's just great that people get a hell of a discount. And for a few hundred bucks, you've eliminated your need to go outside your home.

Aqua True.

Aqua True.

When you put the water through that or it's in like a. Yeah, you.

Pour it in the back and then it goes through an RO system. Wow. Boom. Comes out right there.

And then you put the salt in afterwards.

Boom. Put the salt in it.

And that's good drinking water.

And now that's good. So now I would also take it up a notch. Buy, like, they're gonna love me. I get nothing from this blue bottle love. So now they've took Emoto's work and they've written gratitude, love, etched it in the crystal glass. Ooh, right? And they've created cobalt blue, which some of the science has shown that that blue, that deep blue, is the frequency of healthy cells. So now you've got the etched words that is infusing that and you can take those bottles and put that in the sun and now you're supercharging.

Should water be in the sun?

If it's in glass, it can be.

If it's in plastic.

If it's in plastic, you are you are leaching the many chemicals. Keep in mind plastic is petroleum, it's oil. And then to make it malleable, they use a mimicking compound that mimics estrogen. So the softer plastic run away from, right?

The harder, better, or BPA free. Right, that's okay.

That's better, right? Glass, glass, glass, as much as you can. Hard plastic, pretty much okay. Yeah, right. So that's an easy way. And then when I get some of these Vortators out, these things are incredible.

How do we get one of those?

It's coming soon. Probably when this is out, I'll have them available.

Okay.

Yeah.

So you put it through the Vortator?

So yeah, so you literally, it's all mathematics. this little vortator, and it's literally spinning, it's creating a tornado in your water and increasing oxygen, which we need, helps the immune system, helps the body, helps the absorption, activates mitochondria, all that stuff, and then you're increasing the hydrogen comp as well.

Let's just say you're making the-- Let's just say you don't have all this and you got a plastic bottle right now, soft plastic bottle, normal bottle that you see everywhere. Can you swirl it and oxygenate it yourself? Yes.

And get some benefits? Something. I would shake it up, make it alive. Shake it. Yeah, and buy it, get a marker and put love on it.

Right, you think that's gonna change?

Yes.

Within 10 seconds, putting love on a bottle is gonna make it that much more magnetic.

Listen, it's an intention too. Of course. Absolutely. Right? So think about this. If I've intended it, now I've also intended it for my own body. What are we? We're mostly water. So if that is my intention, that is a prayer and that is activated. That is not passive. Just doing whatever that is activating for sure. So listen, everything, health is not magic bullets. It's not the perfect superfood. It's everything. It is the small things added up over time. It is setting your mark the one degree, the next degree, the next degree and setting your trajectory towards what you want. So you don't have to get overwhelmed with this. Just adopt what you can. resonates now, adopt that. And then as you become healthier, more activated, more energy, more all, then you'll be like, you'll naturally go, okay, cool, now what? Okay, cool, now what? Okay, cool, let me eat more plants. You know, that's another thing. I would just say eat more plants.

Yeah.

Just start increasing the amount of diversification of colors. in your life because that is information for your body. Information. Reductionism, I can go into, it's got compounds, each color is a phenolic compound, it's an antioxidant, each other color operates a different antioxidant or tannin or everything else. All you have to remember is it's beautiful diversification that's giving you different minerals, different vitamins, different antioxidants and different information for your body. And also, when it's fresh fruits, vegetables, you're getting that structured water. That's information. That's nature communicating directly to you through that water.

What do you say to the, I'm here you say eat more plants. There seems to be a thesis or a trend that is becoming more of the only eat meat. It's the purest protein. People getting super shredded and lean, saying they have cleared up skin conditions, saying they're more focused, clearer. What's your take on that for the people that are swear by the meat only? No vegetables, no fruits, just meat.

I'm scared for them. I really am. To me, that's insane. And unfortunately, all this stuff is political. I never take those political stands. There's a lot of great people that take those because the reason I say political, because scientifically, T. Colin Campbell, China Study, came out with another one, the Future of Nutrition, goes through the 100 years of compromised research and dogmatic around animal protein is the perfect protein. Bunch of bullshit. You can get all of the nutrients from plants. Every single one of them. So I would say if anyone's curious, check out T. Colin Campbell's new book, the Future of Nutrition. You'll blow your mind. Also look at, what is it, Mastering Diabetes? It doesn't have to have anything to do with diabetes. But Robbie and Cyrus, masters and a PhD in biochemistry, they break down what is actually the culprit. The culprit is animal protein. The science is absolutely clear. Once you're over 10% protein, you are turning on cancer genes. Wow. And it's clogging up those receptors for insulin. So you can argue all you want. and these guys will put all the science, but these guys, T. Colin Campbell, do you realize the 60 years of research on every major panel, peer-reviewed everything, and this guy has dedicated his life to, of anyone on the planet, he's done more research around animal-based protein than anyone ever. Wow. And then you have Dr. Valter Longo, who is in our Sardinia episode. Sit down with him between episodes and I'm like, he's like, the science is clear. He's saying the same thing. Over 10-15%, boom.

What does that mean over 10-15%?

Of your overall calories of animal-based protein.

If you're eating more than 15% of animal protein daily.

Of your overall calories.

Of your calories.

Yep, it's turning on cancer genes.

Wow.

So listen, these guys, if you change anything up, your body's... We have proven, this is what we've proven, the body is adaptive. It doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I can get myself, you know how many ways I can get myself shredded? to 5% body fat.

Not eat, yeah, meat.

I could do a million.

No sugar, yeah.

Back when I was out of college, I trained bodybuilders just to get them that little extra so I can manipulate all kinds of things to get people shredded. What the hell does that have to do with health? Nothing. Especially when you're running down, you're sprinting. towards cancer. -Wow. -Like obviously there's people that are heavy into this. They're friends, they're colleagues and I read their material. So, for me, there is no amount. Let's... You can keep whatever it is that you want. You don't need to change. I'm not here to change anyone. Anyone listening this, do what you want. I'm not here to change you. It doesn't... Nothing shows... I have proven as a career 20 years of running around this planet. every nutrient I can find in a plant and thrive and have pleomorphic effect, having infinite effect on my body way more than a very hard thing to digest. Flesh of another being is extremely difficult to break down. and that is if you're dialed in, if your body is perfect and it's got the certain amount of hydrochloric acids, it's got a certain amount of protease enzymes to break all that down, all of these things and a whole lot more has to be ideal because it's not going to do it perfectly. So it is a huge strain on the body, not to mention it floods the body with the immune response when you're taking in because you've just taken in something that's dead in your body. The body has to respond. Pathogens, bacteria, might, you know, that microbial and immune response has to show up. So your first response is your body's like, holy shit, there's a lot of opportunity to die here.

Wow.

Right? So not to mention this other point, and then, you know, it's a big rabbit hole. This other point that I realized when I first started, I've always loved animals. That wasn't the primary reason, although it lines up with me because I don't want to kill anything. My primary thing was realizing that amino acids in our human DNA is extremely valuable because we're recycling cells all the time. Yeah. the whole body is recycling all the time. Certain the liver is going through, I think every, you know, people have to fact check this, but I think it's every week or every couple weeks. So there's the body's replacing itself. And so when you're, when autophagy is happening, your body is sloughing off cellular debris that it no longer needs. Your body's breaking down those cells to have amino acids and it's recycling. the amino acids because it doesn't want to get rid of all the amino acids because it's so hard to come by. So their body is recycling and replacing and all of this stuff all the time so that the need for protein has gotten so crazy without this understanding of recycling that the body also has. And then when you add on top of it turning on through very clear science.

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Esselstein, Ornstein, Dr. Ornstein, Dr. Michael Greger, and then of course, T. Colin Campbell, on and on and on. These guys are just sitting in the science, non-dogmatically. You add all that up. I don't eat. And then add up my career, I found all the great plants. I found all the, not all, because humbly we haven't found anything, which is why we need to preserve our environment, because there's so much medicine as food out there that we're just utterly destroying. So all of that being said, I just say do whatever you want, but be aware, eat more plants. Yeah. And carnival guys, it's like, I'm not even gonna waste energy. You've already decided. There's no conversation. You've decided, I don't want to argue about it. I just want to live and thrive.

When did you stop eating meat?

It was probably 15-16 years ago.

And did you see a big shift in your energy and everything else?

Yeah. you know, football players eat a lot.

Of meat, a lot of.

A lot of all that stuff. Trained like crazy meat. I was getting digestive, you know, acid reflux. And I started, like, whoa. And then I started food combining. That was the first time I kind of separated. Like, I'm gonna eat fruit alone because it shows a digestively much better. I'm gonna. I'm gonna eat. if I'm now. So that's going to be alone. So I'm not going to combine that with my meals. Now I'm going to eat my meals. I'm going to eat my protein first. So that has the first chance of the hydrochloric acid breakdown. So then I. That was the first time I really separated stuff. And then I was like, I feel better. Definitely helping. And then I was slowly. Then I got rid of, you know, the beef, the chicken. I, too, was like, shut off the idea that this was a living creature.

It's hard.

Yeah. You have to go someplace to do because if you were there cutting and slitting the throat, I guarantee you're gonna eat it. Yeah. So, then I started and then fish, then I slowly and then I was like, see all the while I'm feeling better. So, finally, then I dive back into seeing that recycling side of the amino acids in the body, I'm like, I don't think we need as much. So, I stopped the fish as the last thing and then I increased. So, I was doing triathlons and biathlons as well as strength training still. And, this was only 15, 16 years ago. And, so then I was like, I'm recovering like a 18-year-old.

Really?

Yeah. And, to this day, you know the kind of people I work out with. so I'm like, I still pick up dumbbells I was training with when I was 20. And I'm just like the strength and I'm not trying to be strong anymore, but I'm throwing around the strength is still that it's incredible. It's really incredible.

Yeah. For those that are going to this is interesting food separation for those that are like everything you're saying and understand But they're gonna keep eating meat. It's just, they're gonna keep eating meat.

It's too bad.

I eat meat and I keep telling myself, being out here for 10 years, the vegans and the plant-based have been influencing me to eat more and more vegetables. And I'm more mindful and conscious of it, but maybe one day we'll see.

Hey, I got a challenge for you. I joined this other, so hashtag eight meals. okay? So it's, we've done the, this carbon sequestering. And if you substitute eight meals a week, that's literally one plus two on a day. One a day.

Vegetarian.

Yeah, vegan.

Vegan.

No dairy either.

No eggs or cheese? Nope.

No. I know. But, but you're also not depriving. So that's why, that's why I jumped on to help these people because. It's only looking at it as these meals. And then now you're being a responsible person. Not only is it benefiting your health, getting diversification of more plants, for sure you're gonna be, that's gonna, that's a win, right? And it's going right to the environment. Because if everyone did that, we would sequester all of the CO2 in the United States. Think about that. Think about that.

Replacing eight meals.

Replacing eight meals.

A week.

You do it, I do it, and everyone else do it. You know how much and we're gonna create a calculator of how much CO2 we can sequester. Wow. Because that's just an insane thing, the amount of methane.

So, that makes more, I mean saying eight meals a week vegetarian, that's more doable for people.

Plant-based.

Plant-based. Sorry.

Yeah. So, not vegetarian. No. Plant-based.

No cheese or eggs.

Full food plant-based. So, no dairy and vegetables.

Vegetables and fruits only and seeds and nuts.

Yeah. That's it. Okay. And it's so easy, dude.

You can do it. Yeah, for sure. So eight meals a week is something.

To get started to try. See how you feel.

I'm gonna throw that on you. I'm gonna see if I can take that challenge.

I'm gonna do that.

Yeah.

I can do anything for a week. No, I'm saying, like, keep that up.

Oh, forever.

See how it goes. And that's for 30 days.

You want to do that?

I can do that.

Are you putting that on there?

I'm in.

I'll do it for 30 days.

Yeah. Awesome.

Eight meals a week for 30 days. Yes. Plant-based.

Yes.

I can do that.

Nice.

So the question about separating food, I'm curious. In Ohio and Minnesota, you grow up, you just mash it all together, you eat it all down. Mashed potatoes, the veggies, the steak, the pizza, you just throw it all in. Is there more power in eating certain foods first or last or separating them as opposed to combining?

100%.

How should we eat then? What should be first and last? Well, should it be the protein first? Like I was hearing you say something.

Yeah, so this is a simple version. Because this can get heavy. The simple version is fruit alone.

Don't eat fruit with a meal.

Do not eat why? Because it takes other digestive enzymes. When you start and hydrochloric acids, when you, especially if you have digestive issues, It can mess up different rates. So, for example, when you're eating fruit, the digestion process aside from chewing.

So, don't put peanut butter or almond butter on your fruits.

Listen, listen. I do that too. I put barukha nutter. Oh, I love barukha nutter. I'm gonna send you some. I wish I had sat some with me, 'cause of course I would have.

Brought it to you.

It is so good. But I do, so this is something, I would say this, if people are having any digestive issues at all, then I would do this for a period of time, fruit alone. Now listen, I love a bar of butter on a piece of apple, like oh my god, it's the best, right? So that's fine, but if you're having any digestive issues, fruit alone, And then if you are choosing, let's call it a protein.

Because if you eat fruit alone, your body should just be able to digest.

And get that out quickly. Yeah, so if you're eating fruit, the digestive aside from chewing, because that's the digestive process, you have digestive enzymes called amylase that's breaking down the carbohydrates. So that's why we need to chew.

More, not chew, chew, chew, chew, swallow. That seems to be my life.

Right? Yeah. So we swallow.

One bite, get more in there. Very difficult for the body to- I actually have digestive problems for a long time, probably like 20 years. It wasn't until actually I started to get Invisalign about a year and a half ago because my back teeth have actually never touched. I got eight teeth removed when I was 17 and then my jaw kind of grew in a certain way where only my front two teeth touched and I've never felt my back teeth until about four months ago touching. And it's been mind-blowing how I've been able to digest and actually not feel constipated For sure. Most of the time.

You haven't been able to chew.

Because I'm actually able to chew my food.

That's amazing.

And I'm feeling like it's able to go to the bathroom way easier. Like it's crazy when adjusting teeth have done for my ability to digest as well.

Yeah, think about that. I mean, it's the most primal thing we need to do for our breaking down of food. But if we're pre, you know, if we're not chewing 20, 30 times, per bite. You're swallowing whole food and expecting this very delicate digestive process to have enough time to pull all of that stuff to break it down because it has to break down. Think of the protein, the animal-based protein. You got to break it down into the amino acids. Yeah. And that's a lot of energy to do that. And so it's all food. We really have to take responsibility or responsibility to, that's a first line of digestive defense, is chewing more appropriately and not allowing that process to be just chew, chew, chew through stress. And not to mention what you're doing while you're eating is also- the tangent.

Behind why you're eating.

The vagus nerve is connected directly to the brain and the digestive process and the like, so if you're stressed, you're going to throw off the microbial system.

That's why people pray before they eat or they say, let's give thanks. Let's give gratitude. Yeah.

Do some nose breathing, right? Drop you right down into parasympathetic. Even Dr. Huberman, the neuroscientist, talks about this to take a two breath in. So I would say, breathe out.

Yeah, we had him on talking about that. It's really good.

A little gratitude. And then eat.

So the separation, let's get back to the separation. What should it be? You've got a mixture of foods on your plate. Okay, so let's call it a protein.

So let's say, let's say. So burritos are the worst thing. It can be challenging if you're already compromised. That's a challenge. Our body's adaptive, so burrito's one of my favorite foods. It's okay, man.

You got the rice, you got the beans, you got the protein, you got the cheese, you got the tortilla wrap.

Yeah, so listen, unfortunately for anyone eating meat, it's a really bad combination, right? Any plant-based protein is a lot easier for the body to break down. Even nuts, seeds, legumes, whatever, it's a lot easier to break down. Plus, everything, let's just say this, every plant, every fruit, every vegetable has protein in it. Everything. your banana, your acai, your grapes, it is a full, it is a whole food, right? So we have to stop this compartmentalizing and reductionism.

Protein and then vegetables.

Right. So if you are eating meat and all of that stuff, meat first. Like if it's on a, let's say you have a salmon on a salad, eat all your salmon first.

Don't eat the carbs first.

Don't eat the salad and don't eat the bread. Certainly don't eat the damn bread. Right?

But as- Me first, what do they do?

Yeah, so that gets you back into that dominance of hydrochloric acid and energy that the body takes and the longevity that it will take for your body to break down the meat. It's going to take six to eight hours. for that other being that you just consume to break down into amino acids. Right?

So, put the thing that's the hardest to digest in first.

Yes. And then you can follow it up with veggies and all of that stuff.

Potatoes, whatever you're putting in there.

Right. So, that's the easy version.

Meat first. If you're fruit alone, if you're plant-based, what would you eat first?

Again, fruit alone, and then I don't worry much about it.

You can mix it all in, it's all plants.

Right, or for me, if I'm eating tempeh, which is fermented tofu, I'll eat that first. Yeah. But listen, I'm coming from that where I had a lot of issues because of all the heavy meat. When I started breaking that down, cleared it up immediately. Now, since plant-based, I've never had that ever again, the digestive disruption and stuff.

And so what do you speak to when the meat-eaters of the world who swear by meat say, well, this is what our ancestors have been doing for thousands of years?

That's an easy point of view. If you talk to the Paleolithic researchers, that's such a convenient conclusion. That is not true. You can run up to the Inuits because that is where they've been living and then use that as some stupid example. Well, just because you've adapted to it doesn't mean that it's ideal. We have to keep going back to that. Just because the body is an amazing adaptive machine which has allowed us to populate anywhere and everywhere and eat almost anything doesn't mean that it's adaptive. Now, if you look at the longevity research, if you look at the centurians, and if you look at that, I would lean on that more than I would lean on a convenient way to say, because you can easily make the argument. The diversification of the big brain also was the foraging ability. You're finding without less effort, forging plants and tubers and nuts and seeds way more than it takes to you getting a little clan together and running down a caribou or something. So.

Setting a trap or something.

It's just too convenient to say things like that. Do the Centurions eat meat?

Some of them eat meat, right?

Very little. Yeah.

It's mostly fish or eggs here and there or something.

Yeah. So it could be, you know, I've talked to some of the centurions and so the work of Dr. Longo and Dr. Pez and Dan Buettner's work, you'll find that again, the blue zones. Yeah. You'll find very, very clearly that it's naturally 10 to 15% they don't go over and it's so interesting meat of.

Of of Calorie intake.

Calorie intake for protein and once is meat. It's just protein. And every so often they may have.

Meat, but it's not a daily thing.

No. Maybe once a month out of a thing. So it's that. Again, it's like I look at that longevity and what the longevity shows up as to say that that you knew what the Paleolithic people were doing is we have ran around this globe and we've all thrived and we have all different ethnicities. And to say this overarching statement is kind of ridiculous. Cheers.

Oh man, you're passionate about this, huh?

Of course. yeah.

And you actually say this in your simple to do this. Get no more than about 50 of daily total calories from protein. That's the first line you have here from your simple to do.

You just open that up.

The first thing you went right to that line. Get no more. Maybe that's on every page as a reminder. Make sure you only do this. What happens if we get 80 of our total calories from protein? Is it just creating more cancerous cells? Is that what I'm hearing you say?

Well, that. Yeah. So, I mean. that's the work of T. Colin Campbell and Longo and a bunch of other people and that's where you turn on. So this is the epidemiology side of it. This is the DNA. What we're doing, the environment we're creating is turning on potentials of DNA or turning them off. And so what happens is it turns on these cancer promoting genes very clearly. People can argue with me all you want. I'm not going to argue with you. I'm going to point you to these guys that have dedicated their life to this research, unbiased. They're researchers. And what they're doing is they're pushing back against industry that wants to keep this narrative alive. And they're not looking at the research. It's the same thing of us saying right now, the censorship that's happening. Like, why do we need to censor anything? Just let it out and let people as intelligent people. It's like coming to you and saying, you know what? Cars kill. Don't go into your car today. Well, you can make that choice. You know that you could get in a car accident and you could get hurt or injured or die. But you're making that choice. So, let's get all of the information that T. Colin Campbell, that's what he's saying, that Dr. Ornish, Dr. Esselstyn, all of these guys are saying, look at the research. Don't shut this off. Look at what this research is and that's the dogma that keeps alive. If you're not open-minded to look at the research, then let's not argue about it. I don't want to waste my energy. I don't want to talk to, if you want to fight, Fight with yourself against that wall. I don't want to do it.

What's your thoughts about, in your mind, what's worse? Meat or sugar?

Meat. Hands down. I mean, what do you mean by sugar? Because I'm assuming you mean sugar. yeah, I would allow, if I am not clogging my cholesterol is still a debate. Cholesterol, let's be clear, cholesterol and meat is not correlated to high cholesterol and you and killing you. It is the protein. Okay? So I would gamble And the protein is gobbling up and challenging the insulin receptors and running us towards diabetes. And Robbie and Cyrus and Mastering Diabesity lay this out scientifically. The third of their book is science, right? Peer reviewed. I would gamble on not eating meat and taking in sugar more than I would.

Really?

I do not want to play that Russian Roulette game. No way.

But sugar, it seems like also is.

Causing a lot of-- Or you gave me two horrible. I mean, two challenges. But if you're-- for sure, I'll take sugar for sure.

Really?

Yep.

Is sugar easier to burn off or it's not as damaging to the body in your mind as eating meat?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's like if I have a healthy if I'm not being compromised for meat and my insulin reception, then I'm going to gamble on all the other things that I can do in the sugar realm and I can stay active, I can burn that off, I can keep plants active, I can keep the stress down from that plants, I can keep, you know, bring in my Schizandra, bring in my Chaga, bring in my Ashwagandha, bring in my bring in my lion's mane to help the brain deal with the amount of sugar. You know what I mean? So, there's a lot of other artillery I could use to combat the sugar side of it.

And, what about fasting? What's your views on that?

I'm a big fan of fasting.

Are you an intermittent fasting guy? Are you a 24-48 hour, one week fast? What's your strategy?

I'm a big fan of fasting for sure. And, Dr. Bragg's way back. I will give kudos to him. His first books on fasting, I was fasting. When I started fasting, it was 20, 22 years ago or so.

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And I was doing one day, 36-hour fasts. So, I would pick a Friday and I would stop eating the Thursday all day Friday and start eating on Saturday because I wanted energy on the weekends. Yeah, of course. And I love now that I just call it fast, water fast, right? I do love big windows of, so now I'm a two meal a day person.

Okay.

So, I'm, huge amount of fruit, fruit bowl in the morning, around 10, I'm done. And then, I'll eat around 4:00 p.m. That's my second meal. And, that's tons of plants, big salads, baruca nuts, hell, maybe I'll even make a burrito, right? And, combine it all.

And, then you're done.

Then, I'm done, yeah.

Five o'clock, you're done. You stop eating until 10:00 a.m. fruit. Yeah. My friend Jesse Itzler is all about that. He says fruit until noon. Yeah, it's all.

I went on that. So I used to, and this was back when I was fasting in that 36 hours every week. So I was doing 36 hour every week. And in that, when I was, when I was, during the day, I would do all fruit until noon. But now I do that anyway. I just don't eat until 10 and then I do a huge, like a massive fruit bowl.

I get different people on who dive into the science, who are doing the tests. Dr. Rhonda Patrick talked about the spike of sugar when she had a grape, because I think she's wearing a glucose monitor somewhere and testing this. And other doctors talking about how to really make sure you have moderation in fruit because of how it can spike certain things. Again, I don't know all the science and I'm not the expert here, Can you speak into that from your perspective on why having a lot of fruits or a bowl of fruit is good for you and not spiking energy levels and not doing that based on what their scientific research is saying?

Again, there's a lot of experts around this category too that I would lean on. But, When you, it depends on what you've been doing. If you are a keto person, for example, you are eating all this meat which are stopping up your ability for insulin reception. When you stop that, you look at a grape and your insulin's gonna spike. You've changed and damaged your metabolism. Right?

So, but if you're Doing that on a consistent basis, your body's regulating more.

Potentially, but if you're eating meat, if you're eating a ton of meat, you're challenging, you are gonna spike more than I would. I've used glucose monitors. I eat a bowl of fruit and I'm like, Really? Yeah. I can eat four or five banana. Look at Mastering Diabetes. It will blow your mind. These guys are type 1 diabetic. Robbie just posted the other day, he ate, I think it was breadfruit, four bananas, mangoes, and these guys are type 1 glucose monitoring to the max and getting thousands of people down and off, type 1 off medication. It is what you're doing, not just at that time. Again, we're myopic in our views. What is the chemistry of going on in the body? If you're eating a bunch of meat, you're going to spike more when you're eating a bunch of fruit.

When you have fruit, it's going to spike more.

My body is dialed. It's dialed to the fruit.

How long would it take for someone to get more dialed?

I mean, they can, they can, Robbie. So it's we gotta look at a wider view of all of this stuff. Because you could, of course, I can go run out and find, see, they spiked, they spiked, yeah, but what have they been doing for the last month? Do we have that information? Is it accurate? Is it, there's so much going on. Plus, you know, there's all this new research. Viome is a great company that's doing all this microbiological research into like what's your system like because you're taking a snapshot of what you've been doing and what your microbes are set up as. If it's set up for flesh of another being and meat and all of that stuff. It's true though. Let's call it out.

I get it, man.

Right? That's what it is. Or if it's plant-based stuff, then your microbes are changing. It's an environment that you are creating by what you're putting in your mouth. And this is very important for this day and age right now. You are creating a terrain that is going to invite pathogens or invite it out. Because if you are strengthening yourself vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin A, vitamin C, whole plants, diversifications of tannins and phenolic compounds and antioxidants, Clearly, that's creating a terrain that is stronger for the immune system to thwart out disease, bacteria, cancer, all of that other stuff. But if you're shoveling anything and you believe that, you know, a needle is going to save your life, it can't. It's never worked that way. Dr. Zach Bush gets into tons of this. You need to have him on if.

You have- Zach Bush?

Dr. Zach Bush. So, he's starting and we've talked and changing the narrative of how the body, it's like soil systems, like monocropping. If you create a soil system that has no more nutrients, you have to blow chemicals on it because it's going to get annihilated. The same thing with your own microbiological system. If you're creating a strong diversified microbiological system, that you are in co-host with. You're hosting it. You need those microbes to break down food. It is creating enzymes. It is creating vitamins for you. Our microbes are with you. But if you're creating it so that the bad bacteria is dominating, now you've created a terrain you can barely take care of yourself. You're getting colds, you're fatigued, you're all that stuff. So any other bacteria or virus that comes your way, you're compromised. You can't upgrade your system. You can't take in that information and then go, we all know that the start of life is the inoculation of your mother's vaginal canal. That is the start of your immune system. We can't sanitize our way through health, we cannot. We will kill ourselves. We have to have this incredible diversification of microbes and virome and viruses. We have to, we always have. And obviously that's a big topic. And Dr. Bush gets into that quite a bit. But that is the lens that we have to start looking through. to create more of this balanced health because that's where we came from and that's where we need to go.

Few final questions for you. I feel like we can go down many rabbit holes here. And you've got a lot of this information in your book, Super Life, the Five Simple Fixes that Will Make youe Healthy, Fit and Eternally Awesome. So make sure you guys check this out. Very powerful. Supplements, are you a fan of supplements. If you could only have five supplements a day, what would those be? And do we need supplements if you're getting these other great plant diversity on a daily basis?

Food first. Yeah, right. The. The ground, which is why I created this book. These basic tenants of taking care of yourself, sleeping. exercising, diversification of food, exercise, moving your body, having a good attitude, right? The outlook in your life. Side note, growing young. I just interviewed Marta Zarztyk, growing young. She, through over 600 research articles, the thing that influenced our health and our longevity more than anything was optimism, kindness, community. Through science. This is not a woo-woo thing through science. And she's got a great book called Growing Young.

So, I think I'm supposed to be interviewing her soon.

Is that right?

Kai? I can't remember if we have it already scheduled or if I should.

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Yeah, okay.

We'll have her on.

She's a bad ass.

Growing young, yeah. I do a growing young book. So that's just as a side. So food first, all of these principles. So supplements, whole food supplements first. Just like I said, the spirulina, the whole foods, the careful growing. You know, there is ways of like, okay, we're low in magnesium, we're low in calcium in times, we're low in iron. Those times, when you know that your body needs it, when you've tested, when you've tested your microbiological system, when you've tested your blood, then that starts to make sense. But I just go whole food supplements, that makes sense to me.

Yeah.

Strengthening because you can go big into understanding that in the early 1900s we knew our soils were depleted, we knew that the food then is depleted, we knew this in the 19th the 1930s, the agricultural community delineated to Congress saying that this happened in the 30s. So through monocropping, through the crazy way that we're instead of regenerating, we're not, we've depleted. So therefore, I created a career out of finding nutrient-dense whole foods, plants, herbs, botanicals. So I do believe that. bringing it down to individual vitamins, it makes sense if you're biologically, biochemically in need of those and you've navigated through those things. Yeah.

Well, in the book, you talk about these five fixes. You talk about the five fixes. We got quality nutrition, hydration, detoxification, oxygenation, alkalization. So I want you guys to get the book so you can learn more about those five things you can do to really optimize your life. This is a question I ask everyone towards the end. It's called the Three Truths. So thank you for Imagine for a Moment, It's yous Last Day on Earth. Hypothetical question. Many years from now, you live past 100 or as old as you want to live, and you've accomplished all your dreams from now until then. But for whatever reason, every piece of content you've created, this book and everything else, has to go with you to the next place, wherever that is. But you get a piece of paper and you get to write down three things you know to be true from your life and experiences that you would leave behind for the rest of us. These three lessons, principles, distinctions, whatever you want them to be. What would you say are your three truths?

Wow, dude. Big, big question. I know. To thine own self be true. Without a doubt, I listen. I will listen. It's an inside game. Listen to yourself. Find the essence of who you are outside of the monkey mind, outside of what people say. Listen to yourself. Because that is the ultimate truth. Because that is connected there is no person between you and the Creator of whatever the Creator is, the universe, the Creator, God. Kindness, connection, love. Are, you know, I know those are a bunch, but that, that community. of representations of our heart and the connection. Well, it goes down to relationships. That radical honesty. not allowing resentment, fear or shame get in the way of authenticity of Truth. I think that to live by, but done through a kind lens, right? Done through in a kind way, through compassion and empathy, but radical honesty of within yourself. What is, again, to thine own self be true. So you have to cultivate what that radical honesty is for you.

Yeah.

Because some of that is taking away or seeing where another influence, oh, that was my dad, that was my mom, that was my, that was that pain of that relationship. All of that can be distraction. So what is that? truth for you as well as, you know, for others in relationship be authentic and truthful. So radical honesty. Third, vulnerability. The willingness to share yourself. With the world, if you are willing to be vulnerable, it is a superpower without needing to have any approval. That is a superpower and untouchable and the ultimate freedom.

Yeah. I love that, man. Those are good truces. Those are powerful truces. You've got an amazing podcast people can listen to. Get this book, Super Life. They should watch your series on Netflix with Zac Efron, powerful series. It's entertaining and educational, which I think is really inspiring. It's called Down to Earth. And where can we go for your... You also have Baruca Nuts, which I've got here, which are amazing. They're like superfood almonds, you know, type of thing. So they can get products from your site. Where's the best place for your site to learn about everything that you're up to? yeah so vortexes and all these other.

Things yeah yeah so darinaleen.com basically has everything up there barukas.com get the nuts and see that story it's a wild food incredible to be able to get a wild food out to the masses is incredible feat for us and planting trees and the environment and all that it's fantastic so but darinaleen.com darinaleen on social darinaleen on Twitter all of that yeah. But yeah, there's a bunch of projects I'm super stoked to get out in the world, environmental, health, inspirational, new technologies, all of that stuff. So yeah, you can find what I'm up to on there.

It's great, man. It's great. I'm inspired, man. You've been leading the way for a long time, helping us by educating, traveling the world, trying to find this information for yourself, obviously, but then sharing it with the rest of us so we can make sense of this world. So I acknowledge you for showing up, man, consistently decade after decade, speaking your truth based on the findings that you've found. So I appreciate it and hopefully we can do more stuff in the future together. And I gotta come to Malibu and just have you cook for a day and just let me see how you live your life and how are you drinking the water, everything. So I'm gonna come experience it sometime.

100%.

My final question for you is what's your definition of greatness?

Of course, that's a question. I go back to the truths. I go back to my definition is listening to my truth and taking action unrelenting on that. And that absolutely is greatness. Not stopping, like before the cameras are on, your example of reaching out to guests for five years until you got them, that's unrelenting. That's greatness. You were demonstrating it just in this conversation before the thing on that. I'm very much, you know, the competitive nature for me has turned into, I'm clear with helping people helping the planet and I will not stop. so unrelenting pursuit has less to do with the things showing up. But if you continue, serendipity, magnetism, strength and power show up when it knows and the universe knows without a doubt that this dude is not stopping. So let's support him.

Yeah, man. My man, Darren. Thanks, brother. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thanks, man. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope you enjoyed it and got a lot of value out of it to improve the quality of your health. I want you to be healthy. I want you to be vibrant. I want you to be mobile. I want you to be active. I want you to be around for a long time on this earth to experience life to the fullest.

You deserve it.

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