The TRUTH About Karma, Manifestation & FINDING YOUR PURPOSE | Sadhguru

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The one and only Sadhguru in the house. Good to see you sir. Very grateful to be here with you. Our second time together, first time in person together. Very excited about this. People loved our last interview. I think it got over a million views and has impacted so many lives. So we're very grateful for you and the work that you do, the inner work that you've done to help so many people. And you've got a new book called Karma A Yogi's Guide to Crafting your Destiny. And coming from the Midwest in Ohio, I grew up hearing the word karma saying that if you do something bad, then bad things are coming for you. And you talk about in the book that not necessarily that case. Can you define karma for the uneducated person like myself? On what Karma? Truly?

I thought that was my title. You're stealing that from me. Uneducated guru is what people say. And now you're saying you're uneducated Human Interviewer Anyway, about if you do bad things, bad things will come for you. This has been the way of the world. You don't need the word karma for that because people have been trying to control people either with fear or guilt. This has been the basis of a whole lot of things happening in the world. If you do this, you will go to hell. If you do that, you will go to heaven. Otherwise, here itself, it will happen to you, Whatever. Or there is somebody up there with a stick waiting, and they will vacuum all these kind of things. Essentially, you are trying to manage humanity, control humanity with fear or guilt. Yeah, fear and guilt, I see, particularly in the Western world, is like, enormous. It is in the psyche of people in such a big way. Well, karma is not about fear. Karma is not about guilt. Karma is about liberation. It is about freedom. Because you are a composite as you sit here. You are composite of various memories within you. Yes, it goes back. It goes way back. But let's start with amoeba in recent times. Okay, from amoeba to now, the whole evolutionary process in some way is recorded in this body. Otherwise, this body would be confused every other day. Whether this is human or not. This is 100% clear that this is human. This is evolutionary memory. Always there. There is genetic memory, There is karmic memory. There is articulate, inarticulate, you know, unconscious, subconscious and conscious memories. Right. Now, when we say memory, people think only of their conscious memory, which is less than 1% of their actual memory.

So the things they actually remember in their mind, the conscious memory.

Yes, that is less than 1% of the actual memory. See, for example, I can give you a thousand examples like this which are manifesting in everybody's life. The simple thing is this, let's say 500 years ago, how your great, great, great grandfather was. You don't remember for sure?

No.

But his nose is sitting on your face probably, right?

My ears are his ears.

Yeah, yeah. Many things. Even the color of the skin and the texture of the skin, everything. So the minutest details of what happened to your forefathers a million years ago, still living with you right now.

Wow.

It is living with you right now. Now, all these memories, a composite or an amalgamation of all these complex memories is what you call as myself. What you call as myself consciously may be just a small part of that, but that small part is happening because of this massive memory that is there in. You know, like in India, we have. In the yogic culture, we have this word called vas. Vasana.

Vasana.

Vasana. Vasana literally means smell.

Yes.

So we say your personality is just your smell. See, right now you walk there. There is jasmine. You recognize the jasmine by its fragrance. You will recognize filth by its stink. So we recognize your personality by your vasana. What kind of vasana? Or what kind of smell is coming out of you right now? Depends on what kind of stuff have you gathered. So now karma means to understand that there is all kinds of things. Because when it comes to memory, you have no choice what to keep and what not to keep.

You can't erase memory. You cannot, no matter how hard you try.

Try and see. What you try to forget will be foremost in your mind.

Amplified.

Yeah. Whatever you think, you should not remember. So always people tell me, sadhguru, my memory is bad. I say, just try to forget it. You see, you will remember it always, right? It's simple. So because this is the nature of the mind, you cannot. There is no subtraction and division in your mind. There is only addition and multiplication. Whatever you try to do, it will be one more. If you try hard, it will multiply. This is the nature of your mind. So what is there in your memory is not your choice. Whatever you see, it's all recorded. Whatever you hear, everything recorded, whatever you smell, taste, touch, every perception that you have is recorded within you. You have no choice what to record. Here there is a flower which is beautiful. Let me just record that there. There is filth. I don't want to record that. There's no such thing. Everything gets recorded. So if all this is there, how do I live clean? How do I live happy?

How do you eliminate the waste, the trash?

You don't have to eliminate the waste. Waste is very valuable if, you know right now in this garden, they buy waste at a very, you know, a very exorbitant price. Because their waste goes into the public system. They have to buy waste from somewhere.

They have to buy filthy to fertilize.

Yes. So whether you turn your filth into a fertilizer or you smear it on your face and walk around, that's your choice. This is why karma. So what kind of karma happened in my life till this moment is not always my choice. So many things have happened. But what kind of karma I perform right now in this moment is 100% my choice. Will I use this filth as manure and blossom into a wonderful fragrance, or will I smear it around me and walk around with filth? This is the choice everybody has when unpleasant things happen to us, which happens to everybody in some way. If you're living in the world, I'm saying, unless you drop from somewhere else, if you're living in this world, so many unpleasant things happen. Now, with these unpleasant things, do you become wise or do you become wounded? This is a choice to Exercise this choice. There must be a little space. When I say a little space, where is your memory stored? People think here, your brain has very little memory. Okay. Every cell in the body carries a trillion times more memory than your entire brain.

Every cell in the body?

Every cell in the body. Because if I take one cell from you, we can, you know, create you completely in a lab. That means what? Well, your parents, your father and mother gave you only one cell each. They were not very generous. Only one cell each. See, a whole man came out of it.

Yeah.

So in that one cell, all this memory, head to toe, everything was there, isn't it?

Yeah.

No mistake. Texture of the hair, texture of the skin, the nails, the works, every detail to the minutest detail. Was it packed in that one cell or no?

Yeah.

Yes. So every cell in your body carries a trillion times more memory than your entire brain carries. Wow. So if you do not use that, if you just use one part of your body, then everything seems to be stressful. Everything seems to be a struggle today. Everybody complaining about everything. Everything is stressful. You are a toddler, you have stress of diapers, you are a teenager, you have hormonal stress, you are middle aged, you have crisis, your old age, geriatric stress, which is not stress. Entire life is stress. Tell them, okay, you die. O, that is enormous stress. So this is not because there is something wrong with anybody's life. It's simply because it's like you have a car. It's supposed to go on four wheels. Try to drive on one. Okay, one may look like too much. Try to drive on two. Well, within 10 miles your tires will burst. Because too much stress on one point. Other things are not being used. This all that's happening to human beings.

Are we stressing our minds too much?

See, when we say mind, See again, your hand went almost here. Are we stressing our minds? No, there is an entire. There is a mind across this body. What is it that you call as a mind? A certain combination of memory and intelligence is mind, isn't it?

So our whole body is mind?

Yes. In yoga we see physical body, mental body, energetic body, etheric body, bliss body. Like this, everything is body because it is right across. It is not in any one place. Only intellectual activity is here. Okay, Right now. Because modern societies, particularly western societies, have become such slaves of their intellect because of that, they think everything is here. Intellect works only with the data that you have gathered. You cannot function beyond your data. That means you will remain so small. Because even if you have read the libraries on this planet, what you know in terms of data is miniscule compared to what this cosmos is. With that miniscule, you think you are very intelligent because you are analyzing and processing. Anyway, all these people who think they are intellectually very smart are going to feel dumb, stupid in the next five years because your phone will be far more smarter than you. Already people are calling it a smartphone. See, why would you call somebody or something smart? Only because it's smarter than you. Right? Right.

Yeah, yeah.

Otherwise you wouldn't. All right, so right now, too much dependence on intellect because our education systems are crafted like this, not exploding other dimensions of intelligence at all. See? Intellect. If I ask you this simple question, would you like your intellect to be sharp or blunt? Choose. Choose quickly. I'm going to bless you. Yes, sharp. So essentially, intellect is like a knife. If you want to dissect something, it's very good.

Yeah.

So now the only instrument that you have is a knife in your hand. You want to stitch your clothes. If you stitch your clothes with the knife, what will happen? You will be in tatters. This is what is happening to people's lives. They are trying to fix everything with their intellect. The harder they try, the more tatters they have become. With all this education, tell me, uneducated people are more unhappy or educated people are more unhappy in the world?

It depends what type of education.

No, generally illiterate people in the rest of the world, tribes and this and that. Even in India, many, many people.

Whenever I visit, I go to Guatemala almost every year and I visit small villages. And the kids seems so happy because.

They didn't go to school like me.

They don't have much, but they have family, they have community.

What do you mean they don't have much?

I mean they don't have much in terms of material.

They're not environmentally disastrous. That's what you were saying, right?

Exactly. Yeah. They don't have a lot in the material side of things, but they have a lot in their hearts. Richness, connection, community, love. And they seem very happy.

Uneducated people or illiterate people are happier than the educated people. With education, your life should have become better, isn't it? Unfortunately, they're becoming unhappy simply because they only have sharpened their knife. And a sharp knife in your hand and you're unconscious. You're cutting yourself all the time. All the time cutting yourself.

That's beautiful.

You don't need any outside help.

You can stab yourself.

See, people come to me and say, sadhguru, my boss is horrible. My mother in Law, she's not even human, my wife. She's such a pain. My husband like this. I say you come here to the yoga center. I'll make sure your boss, mother in law, wife, husband, nobody enters this place, just you. I'll give you a nice place to live, good food to eat, nothing to do. Just be happy, that's all. Yeah, you must be just joyful. I'll make random checks on you. If I find you unhappy or miserable, then I won't feed you because I don't believe in feeding misery. If you remain joyful, I will feed you for the rest of your life and take care of you like you're my prized guest. But if you show misery, we won't feed you well. You leave them in one room for 24 hours, you will see in how many ways they'll twist themselves out. Is unbelievable. Because when you are alone, if you are miserable, obviously you are in bad company.

Right?

I am with you. I am miserable. I think it's because of this guy. I'm miserable. This guy, I'm miserable. I'm sitting here alone and miserable. Now who, right? Who. Who is causing misery?

How do we get out of that, though?

No, essentially one must understand that human experience is caused from within, not from outside.

Right?

What we do, arrangements, we do outside in the form of home, family, automobile, this, that. These are arrangements to facilitate our activity. They are not going to make you happy or unhappy. But right now, the car sellers are telling you only if this is joy, this mo. This car. I'm sorry, I'm not against any brand. I like the brand. They say this car is joy. Another somebody else says this car is love. Oh, all the best.

This is power. This is.

Yeah, power is okay, car has power. But where is love extruding from the engine or joy extruding from the engine? All right. Power. All right. But right now, if you, you know, this is something I've been noticing. It's only in recent times, probably last 10, 15 years. If you look at any car advert, I look at every advertisement, whether they're selling an automobile or a machine or a crane or an earth mover. Because I'm interested in anything that works, not that I'm going to buy them. So when I look at it, car ads, nobody's telling you what's the engine, what's the transmission, what's the power, what's the torque? Nothing. They're talking about the leather, they're talking about the wood paneling, they're talking about the stereo. You buying a sitting Room. You want to buy a drawing room or do you want a car? If I want a car, I would look at the engine, how it is made, what does it do? No, nothing.

Only why is that?

Because they are buying a car for neighbor's envy. They are not buying a car because they are allowed to drive a good machine. Yeah, it's always about being better than somebody else.

Why do we obsess over that in general? And is that mostly in America or do you see that all?

No, no, it's everywhere. America kind of setting the, you know.

Path, breaking the standard. We're the best at trying to be the best.

So this is unfortunate cultivation that is happening from kindergarten. If you are going to school, what your parents will say, you must be number one. If you are number one, what about all the other 30, 40 kids who are there? They must be below you.

They're losers.

They're losers. So your joy is only in other people failing? When your joy is about other people's misery? That's not joy. That is sickness. Right now, whole world is invested in this. It's not just America. America kind of displays it like that. Not that it's not there everywhere else in the world. Everywhere it's there, but here it's being shamelessly displayed. They are little shy everywhere. Rest of the world, but still they got it.

What would the world look like if we chose to lift everyone up and celebrate other people succeeding or being happy or whatever it looks like for them to succeed? What would the world look like?

See, I see in America, everybody keeps talking about family, family, family. But you've forgotten just maybe a century ago. Yeah, maybe a century ago. Or even 70 years ago or 50 years ago. If you said family, it meant crime.

Why?

Because the families were running the crime. Oh, wow. Kosa Nostra.

Family crime.

Gotcha.

They always refer to crime as family because family is a crime.

Really?

Let me come to that. I know this will get me into trouble.

Explain it to me.

See, there is only one crime and there's only one evil in the world. That is limited identity. How much crime you will commit simply depends on how empowered you are.

Say it one more time. How much crime you commit simply depends.

On how empowered you are.

How empowered you are?

Yeah.

So do I want to be?

If you are highly empowered and your identity is very limited, you will do terrible things. So the most important thing is to enhance or to expand one's identity.

How do we do that?

See, for example, traditionally in the yogic culture in India, before we start education for a Child. The first and foremost thing is that he must take a cosmic identity.

A cosmic identity?

Yes. He has to take that.

What does that? What does that look like? So if I'm a child in your teaching.

So the thing is, one thing is, there is a mantra which says that. That he has to say it again and again. He has to look at the sky and say it. He look at the earth and say it. Look at the air and say it. Look at the fire and say it. All the elements of water and say it. Because these are all the composition of the cosmos. You look at empty space and say it. You look at water and say it. You look at fire and say it. You look at the earth and say it. So that you understand your identity is limitless. Why this is being done, why this is being done is. Education is seen as an empowerment. You should not empower a person who has a limited identity because he will cause havoc. I'll take the worst example, which will get me into trouble.

Sure.

See, everybody talks about. You're not even supposed to mention this name, Adolf Hitler. Well, many people have been there who caused enormous pain to other human beings. But I don't think anybody managed to organize it, mechanize it, and really deliver it like a factory of misery, like this man did. All right, it's a factory. Literally a factory of misery. Manufacturing misery. Properly organized, the School of Greatness is.

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Think there aren't thousands or hundreds and thousands of people with the same mindset in the world? Absolutely they are. Only thing is they're not empowered like him. Competence is the only thing that's lacking. Tyranny is there in people's mind. They are as much tyrants as Adolf Hitler. You may find them in a school teacher, you may find them in your parents. You may find them all around you in your neighborhood Only fortunately they are not as potent as that man. That man is super competent. That is what the problem. So right now human competence becomes a terrible problem simply because you have a limited identity. So you invest your identity in a family, you invest your identity in a community, race, religion, nationality, your relationships, your. Tell me, in the name of nations, in the name of race, in the name of religions, in the name of communities, how much, how many terrible things have we done in this world?

It's still happening today.

No, the most leave what's happening today. Just look back in the last hundred years.

All for someone's identity, pride, country, city, state, religion, all these things.

How? Just take 20th century, okay? One century past, 21st century is just progressing now. 20th century, take it in the name of race, what all have we done to each other? In the name of religion, what all have we done to each other? In the name of nationality, what all have we done to each other? Just look back and see we've literally killed half the world's population in 20th.

Century because of identity.

Yes, of a philosophy, of an ideology. People have killed. All right, so limited identity and empowerment is a disaster. But we are continuously cultivating this all the time. So I said family is crime because family is the first identity that you take. After that comes community. After that comes maybe race or religion or nationality. Right now nationality is reasonably the largest identity you're taking within this nation. It looks nice that you are committed as an American to the well being of America. But just see who is fighting who in this world. A good Indian is fighting a good Pakistan, a good Hindu is fighting a good man, Muslim, A good American fighting just about anybody. Because you never fought a war here. You go out and fight all over the world. Well, you will find reasons as to why you fought that war and the heroic nature of it. I know people who lost their lives believing that they're doing the best thing in their life. Yes. But I want you to know that man that you think is horrible, that terrorist, that miscreant, that militant or whatever you want to call him, that guy also like a suicide bomber. See anybody? For every human being, or even for an ant, its life is precious. You try to catch him, see, he'll do everything possible to save his life. So somebody to throw away their life like this. Obviously what they believe in means much more than their life. Crazy, right? It's not crazy. See, if they do it your way, it's heroic. If they do it their way, it's crazy. I'm not trying to support terrorism or something. I'm just telling you it's limited identity. Genocides have been committed because of limited identity. Nations have been raised down because of limited identity. Evil things we have done to each other on individual level simply because of limited identity. So this is what yoga means. Yoga means union. That means you consciously obliterated the boundaries of your individual nature and your experience of life expanded. Once you sit here and you experience everything around you as a part of yourself after that, you do not need any morality. You do not need any commandments. Thou shall not cut the tree. Thou shall not kill this man. Thou shall not rob this. This is meaningless to you when you have experienced something as a part of yourself. So the entire system of yoga. When I say yoga, I mean yoga. All right? Not the yoga that's happening in Los Angeles studios. I have nothing against them, but I'm saying we've reduced it to something just.

To build an identity around.

Yes. Twisting and turning your body, it's good for you. You will become flexible and maybe healthy. That's good for you. But I want you to understand. Would you not wish that Adolf Hitler was a sick man instead of a healthy man?

I would not wish that. Yeah, I wish he was a healthy man. I would wish he was a healthy man.

He was healthy. That's the problem.

I'm saying you wish he was a sick man.

Yeah. Wouldn't you be happy if he got cancer at 25 and he wouldn't kill all these people, wouldn't set up this factory?

Yeah, I wish they wouldn't have died.

So I'm saying health becomes a curse. Competence becomes a curse. Individual intelligence becomes a curse. Why? Because you have limited identity. It's in that context I said family is crime. Family is a wonderful place where people are supporting each other. Like you said, is it not important if you create a world where everybody is supporting each other to do their best? Well, that's happening in the family. That's the most beautiful, beautiful aspect of the family. But why is it only limited to those four people or five people or whatever?

What should families start to reconsider about their unity, their connection? How could they expand it to something greater than just the family of four or six in this home, living this.

Way, I don't know if you've heard even political leaders in India, for example, wherever our prime minister goes to United nations, he will say, vasudevaka Kutumbakam. This means the world is my family. It's a chant that always he says, is the world is our family? Because this has to be Inculcated from childhood, that your identity is not about a few people who are born around you, or people couple of people who bore you. Your identity is the air that you breathe is your identity. This is your life. So if you identify with the air that you breathe, what is it that's not you. And what is it that's you?

Everything is you.

Yes. If everything is you, your intelligence is a boon. Your competence is a boon is a what? Your intelligence, your competence, your capabilities, everything is a gift to the world, right? But if your identity is small, all the wonderful things that human being has becomes a curse. See, right now, our intelligence, so much science, technology we developed. But the cutting edge of science and technology always goes into military equipment, isn't it? First, at least many of these things will never come to you on the street. It's always there. All right? Only when every other nation has. Maybe then it'll come to you.

Sure, sure.

Till then, it's not just kept there. So our intelligence is going into destructive force.

Why?

Limited identity. But right now, can I just open up the borders of this nation and say, I love everybody? We are not there. We are not yet there. The world is not yet there. We cannot do that. All right? We still need nationality, we still need all these things, but we can hold it little lightly. We don't have to hold it like it is absolute. It is not absolute. It is something that we have done. Our idea of family is our making. Our idea of community is our making. Our idea of race, religion, everything is our making. Our idea of nationality is our making. So don't treat it like it's an absolute.

What would happen if we open up every border in every country?

So that would be possible only if there was no economic disparity. If there was no economic disparity, there were no national boundaries. About two centuries ago, people could walk wherever they want. There were no visas and passports anywhere because economically, reasonably, everybody was in the.

What about race, though? Would people be, you know.

Well, India. Well, India is a classic example. If you. If you travel from north to south, every 50km, people will look different, they dress different, they talk different, and they eat different. Every few kilometers you will see people are different and we have no problem. That's how it would have been only because you protected yourself for too long. Now, race seems to be one big issue, right?

But the money disparity, you think, is the challenge.

It is economic disparity which is difficult to handle Right now, if you take away the boundaries of this country, maybe half the world, it will be right here in United States. And that will not be a solution because you will become poor. Okay. United States will be poverty ridden if that happens. But if you totally wall yourself out, then also you will become poor in a different way. So this has to be first thing is if your identity is little flexible, you will do things judiciously as it is necessary for the situation. An appropriate action. Our actions are never ever absolute. Our actions are just about being appropriate to the situations in which we exist. Yeah.

If there are some parents watching or listening and they're like, wow, this is very eye opening. I've never thought of it this way. They've always raised their kids a certain way. Their kids are between this word.

This is a word that I hear very often in your United States. We don't hear this in India. I was raised this way. People say, I was raised Catholic, I was raised Jewish, I was raised Baptist. I was raised this way. See, you don't raise human beings, you only raise cattle. A human being is a possibility that needs to be nurtured, not raised in a particular way. So you are raising people in a certain way because you are already committed to something that you think is absolute. Wow. Nothing is absolute. Life is a possibility. Will you allow your children to explore that possibility? Or do you want to make them like concrete blocks that they come out in a particular shape? Raised in a certain way? No, this is not the way to handle humanity.

So say these parents are hearing this and they want to nurture their children in a different way.

Yes. The first thing they must do is.

But they've been taught something their whole lives.

They can do their prayers as they know it. But let them know that it's not absolute. They can sing their national anthem with pride. Wonderful. Let them know it's not absolute. Let them also teach them two lines of global anthem. If not cosmic anthem, one global anthem which includes every life's well being. Every child should sing this in every school.

A global anthem.

Yes. We need to make a global anthem. I'm singing Indian anthem with great fervor and you're singing American anthem. What does it mean? Next moment we get an opportunity. We're going to pull out each other's eyeballs, right? Yes. Not because you're bad or I'm bad because I'm Indian and you're American. All right.

Right. It's a global anthem.

We need a global anthem for sure. Today, technology has many ways made national boundaries meaningless. All right? People are sitting in India and working in America right now.

Whole lot of People sitting in India and walking in America, working in America, working. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're getting paid.

Yeah.

You pick up a phone, the Indian guys practice American accent. And he's speaking from Bangalore.

Right? Right. Yeah.

So when national boundaries, borders have become so porous, it's time to work towards that. It's not. See, tomorrow morning, if you open up all the borders, there'll be disaster.

Yeah.

We must know these things we made at certain times for certain conveniences. It is not absolute. The lines that we have drawn on this planet are not absolute. We just made it for certain convenience. It's time to relax it. See, one great example that's happened in the world is Europe. They fought as bitterly as they fought World War I, World War II. Did anybody think Germany and France will share open borders?

Hello.

In 1944, would you believe that?

No.

See, today they have open borders. I don't see this as a. A geopolitical whatever. In a way, it's an evolution of human consciousness itself. They might have done it for economic reasons, political reasons, but still there is human consciousness involved in this. Because that's not easy after fighting such bitter wars when that generation is still alive. You opened your borders to each other, trusted each other. Is not a small thing to do. We need to make that happen in the world, everywhere. But for this, we need a reasonable level of economic parity. Otherwise you cannot do it.

Can't do it. One of the things I feel very grateful for in my childhood, my father. We didn't have a lot of money growing up to travel to other places outside of Ohio. But I had seven exchange students from around the world live with us for six months at a time from Brazil and Japan and Germany and France and Philippines.

Nobody came from India.

No one from India.

See, otherwise they would have taken you back.

Exactly. But I felt very fortunate as a five year old, until I was about 12, having this culture, that's a very.

Wonderful thing to do.

And learn the language, learn the food, learn about their beliefs.

When you live just in a limited economy atmosphere, you don't know how horribly prejudiced you become. You never realize that you think you're doing fine, you become horribly prejudiced. I'm sure even Adolf Hitler is thinking he's fine. He thinks he's fine. That's why he's doing what he's doing. Yeah, right. I'm saying the extreme example, even he thinks he's doing fine. Only wrong thing he did was he lost the war. If he had won the war, whole world would have said what he's done is fine, Right? Please know that. It's a horrific thing.

Do you think someone who's doing that feels a sense of guilt?

No, no, no.

Like when they're taking another life and they're seeing someone in pain.

See, every nation is taking somebody else's life, isn't it?

Every nation?

Yes, every nation is, isn't it?

But I mean an individual, one.

One person.

See, nation means it's individuals who act on the ground, right? Yeah. It's an American pilot who drops the bomb. It's an American sniper who pulls the trigger. All right? But he believes he's doing it for the country, Right? So he won't feel any guilt. Even the terrorist who is right now, which we think is absolutely unreasonable and insane, that guy thinks he's doing the right thing. He's doing God's work. Not a simple thing. He feels great pride in what he's doing. So this is why I'm saying it's a limited identity. It is not that somebody is bad, somebody is good. The moment you have limited identity, you are a crime. It's just that whether your crime is recognized in the law as a crime or not is a subjective thing. But you are a crime. Right now I sit here, my identity is with myself. I'm interested in the well being of this. I don't care a damn what happens to this. So this is a crime. I may not shoot you with a gun, but I'm committing a crime because I don't care what happens to you. The moment in some way you forsake your humanity, I don't care means I have forsaken my humanity. It is a crime. Will I cause enormous damage or small damage? Simply depends on how competent I am. Competency becomes a curse.

The more competent you are, the more. The more you can hurt and harm.

Your intelligence and competence instead of being a solution becomes a problem. Isn't that what is happening in the world today?

So where does karma fit in? Around people that are acting to harm or to not support someone else's well being or the things around them. How does karma fit in?

All your identity is only from your memory, isn't it? How are you an American? You remember that you were born in America?

Yes.

Suppose air is your memory. Are you American?

Suppose what?

I erase your memory.

Am I an American?

Yeah.

I don't know.

No. So how does your family identity come? How do your racial identity come? Everything is by memory, isn't it? Now karma means this accumulated massive amount of memory. Now will you stand above that this is the stage for our life. This karmic background is like a platform. If you create enough surface tension in this, you can stand on it and do your fresh act today. But if your feet sink into it like quicksands, then you are just a victim of your memory. Right now, the person that you think is a racist is a victim of his memory.

Right?

The person that you think is a terrorist is a victim of his memory. The person who is a suicide bomber is a victim of his memory because he remembers what has been taught to him. All right? If he loses his memory, he's a fine guy.

Right?

Right, Right. Yes. So right now you don't have to lose your memory. Where is your memory? Your memory is in your body and what you call as your mind, which is all one. All right? This is hardware. That is software.

Sure, sure.

So this software, you wrote it unconsciously through various incidents, experiment experiences, your own perception according to your intelligence. You wrote your own kind of software unconsciously. It's written by you, but unconsciously. There have been cases where people have sleepwalked and committed a murder. Even the judiciary thinks that is not worth punishing. They don't punish them even though they committed murder. Sleepwalking, as far as the act is concerned, somebody died, they lost their life. Not a small thing. But this man was sleeping. So that man doesn't get punishment because he was sleepwalking. All right? He could have even killed himself in sleepwalking, it's possible. But instead he killed somebody else. So essentially, you're unconscious. So you're not punishable because you're less than a child, I'm saying. But the important thing is to become conscious. Where is your memory? It's in the body. It's in the mind. If you create a little distance between you and your body, between you and your mind, this is the end of your karma.

The end of your karma.

Yes, the karmic influence. I mean to say karma is still there.

Yes.

Karma is the richness of your life. Okay? If you have no karma, you will be a bimbo.

Right?

All right. There is karma. There's the more rich and vibrant, the karma is the better. Only thing is, is it your platform to dance upon or is it a quicksand that sucks you in? Most human beings right now are only suffering their memory, isn't it? Yeah. This moment. They are not suffering what happened yesterday. They're suffering what happened 10 days ago. They're suffering. Why? What happened 25 years ago?

They're still suffering when they hold on to the thought, the memory.

See, it is not their choice to.

Think about the thought.

They don't have to. They're identified with the situations in which they were. Now it makes them suffer. Today we know that a whole lot of diseases that people are suffering are psychosomatic. It does not mean they're always thinking about it. But it's working. The memory is working. Depending on how strongly your identity, let's say you are strongly identified with your family structure. Now, something happened in your family which is not pleasant, something very unpleasant happened. Let's say now you don't have to. Everyday think about it. Slowly your face will become like this. Lot of people just see because the memory is working from inside you. It doesn't even ask your permission. It doesn't ask your permission, should I come or go. It just works on every cell in your body. Slowly you lose your vibrancy. What was a vibrant, exuberant person slowly becomes like this. This has happened to more than 75% of the population when they were 5, 6 years of age. How joyful and exuberant lives they were. By the time they're 30, they're like this. What is their problem? What is their problem? Is somebody poking them? No, because their karma is overtaking them.

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When you have. I mean, you've experienced some bad things in the past, right? Some harmful things, some challenges, pain. You've felt these things right? In the past.

People try to do lots of bad things and they're still doing lots of them. Every day a whole bunch of people abuse me. People that I've never met. They have enormous hatred for me. Because you know, like today what I have said, a whole lot of people will hate me for this. Do you know? Yeah. Because their identities are shaken. They have created false sense of identity upon which they are standing shaking. They know if this is gone, they have nothing to live for. They need to understand there is a life beyond identities. Identities are created for purpose of action in a given situation. It is none of our identities are absolute. See, first of all we need to understand before you and me came here, countless number of people walked this planet. Where are they all? Topsoil Part of the manure in this garden. Yes or no?

Yes.

You and me. What will we be in hundred years time? Same thing, same thing. Unless your friends fear you may raise from the dead and bury you real deep so no roots can get to you. So we are just a small pop up in time. But we are thinking Too much of ourselves. Yeah, because we are. We attached too much self significance to ourselves. Because of that, our identities have risen beyond absurd limitations.

Can identities be good at all? Can having an identity be good?

Without identity you cannot function in the world. Right now this is me, that's you. If this identity is not there, if you ask me a question, I look like this. What's the point of that? No activity is possible without identity. The important thing is to. It's like wearing your clothes. Right now these are my clothes. See. I wear loose clothes so that always you're aware this is my clothing, this is not me. Suppose I wear skin tight nylon clothes. After some time I don't know which is my clothing, which is my skin. So that's all. The thing is, do you have a space between you and what you have created or are you stuck with it? That's the important thing. If you are stuck with it, you will do crazy things. Thinking you are doing good things.

If you're held on to the identity, if you're attached to.

Will wrap you up. Once you create it and leave it, it will just wrap you up. Unless you're conscious.

Sure.

So if you can see, this is. The entire inner engineering process we are offering is just this. If you do this practice which we call as Shambhavi, if you sit here, your body is here, your mind is out there. What is you is elsewhere. Once there is a little space between you and your body, between you and your mind, this is it. One thing is there's no suffering within you anymore. Because suffering happens only two ways. Physical suffering, mental suffering. Do you know any other kind of suffering? Once there is a little distance, this is the end of suffering. And above all, this is the end of all identity.

And how do you distance the suffering?

You don't distance the suffering. You distance yourself from your own body and your mind. This is what the practice is about. How to distance means this. See right now there are life and energy. See. When you were a five year old child, how much were you identified with your body?

I'm trying to remember a five year old child. How much do I identify as my body? I think I was probably exploring my body, trying to run.

Not at 5, you were not exploring anybody.

My body.

I think I was like running and jumping and I was like, you are.

Using it but you are not identifying it. Because every day it's changing. You can't even identify with it. Your identity with the body got strengthened when you became an adolescent. That is when. When hormones started poisoning your mind. When Your hormones hijacked your intelligence. Suddenly you lost your sense of who you are. Otherwise, you as a life were far more exuberant than your body can ever be. Yes or no?

Yes.

When a child laughs, when a child jumps, when a child does these things, I'm still like this. I'm saying, you will see. Body is just a thing to use. He is not that. That's not the prime thing. The same was true with your intellect and your mind also, isn't it? When you were a child.

So now you're curious, you're exploring.

Yes, because it was changing and growing.

You're questioning everything.

You, you, real you, you. Not that you consciously realize. But you know this is not it. Because your exuberance is beyond that. If you keep your exuberance of life like that today, very clearly you know what is you, what is your body? What is your mind? When I say what is you, let us not give a definition to that. But your body we can define. It's a defined physical form. So we can define this. How did this happen? Just the food that you've eaten, isn't it? This is a heap of food, right? What you call as my mind is a heap of impressions. What you gather, whatever you gather, can be yours, but can never ever be you, isn't it?

What you gather means right now, this cup, it's yours, but it's not you. Yes, your thoughts are yours, but they're not you.

They're not you. Because yesterday you had one kind of thought. Today you have another. Tomorrow you may have different thoughts.

Does a collection of your thoughts make up you?

No.

What makes up you?

Why are you asking me? See, this is the problem. You want to get life into a definition. You can only define that which has distinct physical boundaries. Anything which doesn't have a physical boundary, you cannot define. That isn't it?

It's boundless.

Don't go there. That is also a definition because that's just a word. All right, all right. Boundless is a good word. But still, it is just a word. People think boundless means. Oh, maybe like that. Boundary means. Like this. No, no. That is also a boundary, isn't it?

Sure, yeah.

When you are a child, maybe this house compound was your world. Today, your world might have expanded, but still it's a boundary. Larger boundary, but still it's a boundary. But there is something naturally within every human being that the moment you realize you're restricted by a boundary, you want to go beyond that. Whoever you are right now, you want to be something more, don't touch this, okay?

I want to touch.

No, no, I'm not talking about that. See, whoever you are right now, you want to be something more. If that something more happens tomorrow, you want to be something more. Isn't it?

Why is that?

That's what I'm saying. This is an innate longing within the human being. Because there is something within you which is not physical in nature. It doesn't like boundaries. Till you experience that, you will think you by shopping, you will expand your boundaries. By ambition, you will expand your boundaries. By conquest, you will expand your boundaries. See, always a human being is seeing how to be something more if it finds a very basic physical expression. We call this sexuality. What sexuality means is something that is not you you're trying to experience. Is it a part of yourself? It works for a few moments then. Anyway, two people are separate. If it happens mentally, it is called ambition, conquest, or simply shopping. Different people do it different ways. If it happens on an emotional level, we call it love. What love means is somebody who is not you. You want to experience them as a part of yourself. But if you do it consciously, we call it yoga. That if you do it successfully, it's called yoga. Yoga does not mean twisting and turning. Yoga means union. That means you consciously obliterated the boundaries of your individuality so that you experience the union with everything. This is not an idea. This is not a philosophy. This is the nature of the existence. Most people get it only when you bury them. Unfortunately. Really, when you bury them, they understand they're part of the earth. Right?

Right.

That also they won't understand because today they're burying them in a concrete box.

Right? They're creating a boundary around them.

Yes. That's the worst thing to do. At least when you die, you should become part of the earth.

Right?

Why is it so hard for people to feel that type of love, that unity love, the conscious love in a relationship, an intimate relationship.

See, this is because they are interested in the fruit, not in the root.

The fruit, not the root.

What's the root say right now you want to experience love. So what will we do? Like, people are going about chanting this mantra. I love you, you love me, you love me. I love you throughout the day. Because you know, if you don't say it for two days, it may go away. Love does not happen because you say it. Love does not happen because you're attracted to somebody. Yes. You may feel it. At certain moments when you like something, you may also begin to love it. All right? Essentially, love means sweetness of your Emotion.

Sweetness of your emotions.

Yes. When you have very sweet emotions, that's called love, isn't it? If I have nasty emotions, that's called hate. That's called whatever. So, sweetness of your emotion, why is it that you have tied it to something that you like to eat? I love ice cream. I love this man or woman. I love this. I love that. I love car. I love food. I love Chevy. You know, people are talking everywhere. All right, so. Or I love God. That's the safest thing to do because you can always claim God loves you. But if you claim this person loves me tomorrow, the guy, when it goes away, you can't say anything. But this is a safe thing to do. All right? People have found various ways. I am not saying there's anything wrong with that. It's okay. You use whatever means you want to feel the sweetness of your emotion, but you must understand it's the sweetness of your emotion. I'm asking you, what happens within you? Why is it determined by somebody else? What happens within you if it's determined by somebody else? This is the worst form of slavery, isn't it?

When love is determined by someone else?

Not only love. Your happiness, your joy, your peacefulness, your love. Anything that happens within you when your inner experience is determined by something or somebody, that is the worst form of slavery. Yeah, but we are a free country.

So when people are in a relationship and there seems to be a wave of joy and love and acceptance, and then other days, maybe it's anger or resentment or frustration, how do we move out of that and more into acceptance and conscious love as opposed to control or manipulation or. Well, you need to do this to make me happy. How do we expand beyond that?

First of all, you must decide, is your life in pursuit of happiness or is it an expression of joy?

Is it in the pursuit of happiness or expression of joy?

Tell me, in your life, when you're expressing your joy, was that the best moment or when you're pursuing happiness, what was the best moment?

The joy?

Yes. So why is it that you have not done that? Because you still believe there is joy in this tree and you can squeeze it out. There is joy in this man or woman that you can squeeze it out. You wring them, and then you expect relationship to be great. It will not be you ringing them out so that juice of joy will come to you or love will come to you. No, love is not something that you do. Love is something that you can become. It's your quality. If your mind is in a certain way it's joyful. If your emotions are in a certain way, it's loving. This is the quality of sweetness, of body. If your body becomes sweet and pleasant, it's called health and pleasure. If your mind becomes very pleasant, it's called peacefulness and joyfulness. If your emotions become pleasant, it's called love and compassion. If your very life energy becomes pleasant, it is called blissfulness and ecstasy. Only if your surroundings become pleasant, it's called success. Only to achieve success, you need competence. You need cooperation. You need help from other people. All right? Because without all of them cooperating, there will be no success. Right now, these guys must cooperate. Otherwise, this shoot is not going to work.

You can't record us. Yeah.

All right. But even if these guys don't shoot well, we can still be joyful. They cannot stop us.

No, we cannot.

We can be joyful.

Yeah. Yes. They cannot stop us. But for the shoot to go well, you. They need to cooperate. If they don't cooperate, the situation will not go well. For the success of this situation, you need the cooperation of all these people. But for my body, for my mind, for my emotion and my energies to feel pleasant, I don't need anybody's cooperation. This is 100% my business. So right now, to experience love within you, you are asking somebody to be in a certain way. Oh, all the best. You going to have a trip?

Well, I want to acknowledge you before I ask these two final questions or two additional questions. I want to acknowledge you for being in a journey with all of us. I think the fact that you have learned so much and you want to show up every day and teach, and you want to show up and create content and offer solutions through whatever means necessary, whether that's books, courses, videos, TikTok things you're not even a part of, that you're aware that are impacting the world. I'm just appreciative and acknowledge you're showing up.

No, all this effort is to. Because I want to live in a joyful, loving, exuberant world. So I'm just trying to set the atmosphere for myself.

Of course.

All right, so this is not a service. This is not a mission. This is just a simple. Like a dog comes, if it wants to sit down, rearranges the rug and sits down. You know, I'm just trying to rearrange humanity so that I can live among joyful, exuberant, loving human beings.

I love it.

Don't you want to?

Absolutely.

Yes.

Amen.

So as a part of this, we are working towards creating a conscious Planet Louis. You must be part of that in some way. I'm trying to put together all the influencers in the world to come together, own this process, and create a conscious world, because that's the only thing that's lacking. Never before in the history of humanity, any generation had these kind of conveniences, these kind of comforts, these kind of wonderful things that we have today. Never before human survival was better organized than it is today. If we don't do it now, when many great beings have come on this planet, but when they spoke, hardly 10 people could hear.

It's true.

Today we can sit here and talk to the entire world when we have this. If we do not transform the world into a more loving, joyful, exuberant humanity, it simply means we don't care. I don't want to go as that.

Yeah, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful way of being. This question I asked you last time, but you didn't really answer it, so I'm going to ask it again. It's okay. This is called the Three Truths. And maybe you don't have an answer, and that's fine. It's called the Three Truths. It's a hypothetical question. So I'd like you to imagine you get to live as long as you want to live in this physical body on this Earth. But then one day you got to go and you got to take all your work with you, all your content.

Why would I want to take it?

It's a hypothetical. It's a hypothetical.

You don't.

You don't. You're not going to take it. But it has to go somewhere. No one has access to it anymore, so it's got to go somewhere else. But we don't have access to your information, your content, your books. All of it's gone. For whatever reason.

I've already taken care of it.

It's a hypothetical. Right, so imagine that you only get to share three final things. That we would. Would have three final lessons. That this is all we would have to remember you by your information. I call three Truths. What would you be? What would be your three truths for the world?

Oh, only three.

Maybe that's why you didn't answer last time.

Everybody just shut up, look and listen. Yeah, really look. Right now, people are not looking. If they look, they are making their conclusions based on their identities. They're not hearing anything. They're making their conclusions. Just shut up, look and listen. Life is all there.

Yeah, that's one.

That's all. That's three. Shut up. Is one. Shut up is one look and listen. Three.

I love it.

If you do this, everything that I'm speaking will be naturally yours. Yeah, this all I did. I just shut up looked at everything. Absolutely. Investing my whole life energy in my look and investing my whole life energy in listening. And that's all I know. Yeah, and you whatever I know, you will know if you just learn to look and listen. But first you must shut up. I love shut up means not just outside, inside.

You must shut up.

And the good teaching.

That's great.

I love it.

It's perfect. It's perfect.

Final question.

Now this is my final question. What's your definition definition of greatness?

What is my definition of greatness? If it can be defined, it's not great enough for me. As I said, definition means it has clear boundaries. Well, if you can be here without any sense of boundary, that's greatness.

There you go. Thank you so much Sadhguru. Appreciate it.

Thank you.

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