Blending Travel, Leisure, and Branding with Scott DeAngelo, Executive Vice President and CMO at Allegiant
22 Aug 2023 · 35 min
This is a podcast titled "Blending Travel, Leisure, and Branding with Scott DeAngelo, Executive Vice President and CMO at Allegiant" recorded in August 2023. It features a conversation between Matt Britton, founder and CEO of Suzy, and Scott DeAngelo, discussing Allegiant Travel Company's unique business model, marketing strategies, brand building through sports and live music partnerships, and expansion into resort development. The discussion also covers consumer travel trends, data-driven marketing, and career advice from Scott DeAngelo.
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As we continue to increasingly delete traditional advertising from our lives, the most potent way for your brand to be seen and be relevant is to be interwoven with the things that people care about. While there's a lot of those things, live music and entertainers as well as live sports happen to be two of the biggest that I can think of and we're seeing that with our customer base.
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Today we're going to be speaking with Scott d', Angelo, executive Vice president and Chief Marketing officer at Allegiant Travel Company. Scott's more than 20 years of data driven strategic marketing, finance and product leadership experience in both consumer focus and B2B environment. Scott, so great to see you. How you doing today?
Very good. It's great to be here. Thank you.
Yeah, absolutely. Really excited to have you on the show today and really excited to hear about some of the things that you're working on at Allegiant.
But just to start off, can you.
Tell us a little bit about your background and kind of how you ended up in the fun world of marketing.
So I started off my career thinking I wanted to be a sportscaster or evening news anchor and quickly got read it out. Went to the University of Southern California as a broadcast journalism major and realized you didn't just get a degree and go on the primetime evening news and very Quickly picked up a second major, economics. So graduated with both a journalism and economics major. And those really became right, kind of the two parts of marketing.
Right.
The creative side, but it's also the analytics side and understanding how marketplaces work. The economy was terrible. There was no jobs to be had right. When I graduated, so went immediately to grad school at Northwestern where they had a new and emerging program, integrated marketing Communications, that was all about data driven marketing, what we call database marketing at the time, but what we refer to as kind of data science personalization now. And that's really what got me on my way. I started off at McKinsey and Company, so a big strategy consulting firm that we did a lot of different things for a lot of different industries, but a lot around marketing strategy and kind of a quite a little hopscotch in between industries like the gaming industry, the payments technology industry, obviously now the airline and travel industry, as well as some other consulting gigs in between. So I've done a little bit of everything in and around the areas of marketing data and technology.
And throughout your career, how have you been able to keep your finger on the pulse of how things have been changing not only with the consumer, but with kind of like technology within the marketing and media space as well? Because I know a lot of people kind of can get lost along the way with all the changes and quickly find themselves sort of out of touch.
Yeah. You know, I'll answer both questions by starting with the answer to the first question that is keeping your finger on the pulse of your customers.
Right.
We do weekly tracking surveys. We started these during the pandemic to really understand how people were thinking about it, what their plans were and what they were or weren't doing, what they were fearful of, what they were excited about. And being a longitudinal study here, three plus years later, we still do it. Yes, we asked still some questions about the state of health, but now a lot of it shifted to the economy and other things like that. That's how, you know, we constantly keeping track with our consumers. And by the way, in between, we're constantly fielding one off short surveys.
Right.
Even if they're not 100% accurate, if they can give us 90% or 10% of our customer base into or not into something that we're about to try it, it helps steer us in the right direction. And when it comes to technology, we do largely the same thing.
Right.
We certainly want to understand what our consumers are adopting, et cetera. Or if it's a case of technology that we're leveraging we want to make sure it's providing some benefit. It's helping do something that improves that customer experience. Not because we think it will, but because our customers tell us it will.
Absolutely. I think obviously being able to roll with the punches and understand what your consumers are saying, especially over the last couple years. And we'll get into what you've experienced in the travel space, but we haven't really had a time in history like we've had over the last couple years. Kind of the slingshot effect that we've gone through on any of the travel industry has been disproportionately impacted. So with that, you know, you joined Allegiant Travel Company five years ago. What drew you this opportunity? And for those of our listeners that aren't familiar with what Allegiant does, it'd be great to hear a little bit about the company.
So we'll start there. So Allegiant Travel Company at its heart is an ultra low cost carrier airline. But it's very different than any other airline in a variety of respects. First off, we started Allegiant so the one person who couldn't travel could. And that meant we went to small and mid sized cities that were either unser or or underserved by traditional airlines. Specifically when it comes to nonstop flights, all of our flights are nonstop. There's no connections. And for places throughout the country, but in Montana and South Dakota, small cities throughout the Midwest, the Southeast, we are the airline that can fly them nonstop. World class domestic destinations like Las Vegas, like Orlando, Nashville, Austin and so was built around that. One of the other key things was we sell only direct to consumers. So you have to come to allegiant.com well that was done for cost reasons originally 20 years ago when the company was founded. Now it's super cool because that means we own the relationship with everybody.
All the first party data, right. So no Expedia, no Travelocity, no kayak. If you want to buy on Allegiant you have to go to your website.
That's right. And what that's done is enable us to build a robust database with great information. Because say unlike 20% offer, you get on your first purchase at a retailer where you might give them a a tertiary or even a fake email address to get an offer code. When it comes to airlines, right. Your data has to be right number one because they're going to be checking it against an id. And number two, you sure as heck want to get your itinerary and your check in information to your most used email box. And so what that's enabled us to do is, it turns out when it comes to leisure travel, which is pretty much, you know, all we focus on serving 85% of the time, customers book air as the first part of their leisure travel experience. That means eight and a half out of ten times, we know where they're going before anyone else. And that gives us pole position to now sell them a hotel, a rental car, you know, tickets to events. And that's really what drove me there was we were building what we internally refer to as the Amazon of travel, which was an entire leisure travel ecosystem. And that was more of a technology and a data play than say a traditional marketing or brand. And that was my background. And having the ability to help build this has far and away been the highlight of my career.
Absolutely. So let's talk about some of the things you are doing to build it. So I'd imagine, you know, joining as chief marketing officer, one of the first things you want to do is sort of establish brand equity pillars in terms of what makes Allegiant different. So how are you looking at the Allegiant brand relative to the competitors in the crowded airline travel space?
You know, let's talk about a different kind of research that helped inform this one and that was general population research. So largely non allegiant customers. And we asked them, what are the most important factors that go into you selecting your airline for leisure travel? And no surprise, number one was price, number two was nonstop flight, distant third was scheduled. And then you have all the other amenities somewhere after that. But then they were asked, thinking about your preferred airline, whatever airline that is, how well does that airline deliver on what you just said was the most important? And the answer was the two things that we stood for. Low cost, all nonstop flights sat there in that quadrant that was, it's very important to us. But other airlines aren't performing well on this. So that told us that was the ownable space for us because we were uniquely capable of delivering on that given our business model. And so we wrapped that up into a brand that we refer to as living the nonstop life. And of course that has a little illusion, but it also means, hey, it's not just about flying places. It's attending live sporting events and concerts, specifically those at Allegiant Stadium here in Las Vegas, but also venues nationwide. And so that was really kind of how we established what we stood for and what we believed in.
So after you established the brand and you know, the things that make it different. Obviously the next step is getting that message out and building the brand. You mentioned Allegiant Stadium, which is frankly the first time I'd really become familiar with the brand. So worked with me. I was there for Philadelphia Eagles game which we lost to the Las Vegas Raiders a couple of years ago. But the stadium is incredible. Those who haven't visited it, it's like a spaceship in the middle of the desert. But so first of all, let's talk about that and then maybe some other things that you're doing to continue to build, which is definitely a fast growing brand in the space.
Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah. So Allegiance Stadium presented obviously once in a generation opportunity for us to not only have our brand get exposure like only the NFL can deliver some 88 of top 100 broadcasts last year were NFL games. It's insane. But you know, there's a couple of things here. So the first was one of the ironies to me was when it came to stadium naming rights. The only thing that everyone could agree on was that they can help with awareness.
Right.
The benefits beyond that people will dispute. But ironically, most stadiums up until the time that we and sofi and now pay core where our friends out in Cincinnati, up until that time, almost all of the stadiums say for your Philadelphia Eagles, they have a local hometown financial company that sponsors that. But where, you know, MetLife AT&T Mercedes Benz, they were brands that I knew about when I was a kid.
Right.
So they were more vanity plays. And what we knew was, gosh, this is a platform to help brands like ours gain exposure to folks like you that live in large markets that honestly are cost prohibitive to advertise in, but which we can penetrate on Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football. But there was one other thing that was important about Allegiant Stadium. Any stadium naming rights deal can be a big billboard. But travel we knew was going to be as I told Wall street, the Raiders playing an Allegiant stadium in Las Vegas will be the team in the venue that relies more on air travel than any team or venue in the history. And you know, it was obviously because Raider Nation hails from northern Southern California, the rest of the west, but also because the visiting teams, just as you noted, no surprise when the NFL ask spans, which city would you be most likely to take a road trip to follow your team far and away with the bulletins? Las Vegas. And so it was a way to contextually have relevant brand awareness because the data's in at any given game nearly 2/3 or more or concert by the way of attendees in that stadium have come from outside the Southern Nevada area and some 60 to 70% of those flew in. So whether it's Taylor Swift or whether it's Raiders Eagles, in the end we're able to play a role in helping bring folks to that stadium. And so now here in town, we set out to perceptually own it.
Right?
Everyone can kind of get that it's a naming rights play, but you know, MetLife is in the life insurance business. You know, Mercedes makes cars and AT&T sells wireless and other. But when it comes to Allegiant Stadium, people oftentimes confused. They're like, wait, do you own the stadium? Because I see you're selling packages on your website for ticket air and this and that. And the answer of course is no. But creating kind of as a leisure travel company, having a venue with our name on it that we're able to convey and sell and treat as though it was our own, you know, asset, has what's created like a super valuable naming rights agreement with our great partners at the Raiders and Allegiant Stadium.
Yeah, and speaking of the word super, of course I'm sure you guys are not mad at the fact that Super Bowl 58 this upcoming February will be held at Allegiant Stadium. So I'm sure your brand is super excited about that and I'm sure you're already thinking about ways that you're going to be activating upon that, I assume 100%.
So this year really is just coronation. Our first home game, Sunday Night Football versus the Steelers, second home game Monday night versus the Packers. And what a way to bookend it with, you know, brand name with huge well traveled fan bases to come on in and to finish it with the biggest celebration in all of American sports, the super bowl and Super Bowl 58. And yes, we pride ourselves in affordable and accessible travel for all. And so plenty of promotions giving people the opportunity to win super bowl tickets to Super Bowl 58 at Allegiant Stadium here in Las Vegas.
Awesome. I'll look for mine in the mail too. So I also saw by the way, that you're doing also some activation and some passion points beyond sports. Just this week it was announced that you're going to have an EDC brandit Allegiant Airplane edc, for those who don't know, stands for Electronic Daisy Carnival, which is one of the biggest live music festivals in the world in Las Vegas. It occurs around electronic dance music. What inspired that? Because I Just thought that was a super cool idea. One that frankly, I was surprised no one had executed on sooner.
Yeah. So we have a large partnership also with Live Nation and Ticketmaster, and that has us in venues nationwide as well as across their entire digital ecosystem. And one of their companies, they own Insomniac, who puts on EDC here in Las Vegas, in Orlando. Great partners, always looking to do creative things. So why not make a rave flame for those who may listen in attending, there's also the Allegiant Ravehanger. So amongst all the spectacle, there a special activation space where you have DJs playing within a more intimate environment with the bar and kind of indoor setup. So lots of fun things. But really we want to weave ourselves into the fabric of leisure. We don't glamorize.
Right.
The inside the tube travel experience. You need to get there as safely, as quickly and as cheaply as possible. We embrace that and what we look to do is recognize that the most important part of your leisure trip is whoever or whatever is on the other side, you and your wheels down. And we want to be associated with those things. We talked about the stadium, world class life sports and mega concerts, but the same thing in the live music industry with venues and festivals nationwide.
Yeah. And it's interesting because for those that are listening, you hear about sponsoring a stadium and doing activations around concert festivals and you think, oh, this company is not really spending money efficiently yet. Allegiant is actually one of the most profitable airlines in the world. So I would imagine all of these decisions have a lot of data and ongoing measurement behind it to make sure that you're gaining an roi. So how are you looking at that and what does that process look like?
Absolutely, because we're direct to customer.
Right.
Let's take a Sunday night game. As soon as Carrie Underwood's done with the Sunday night anthem and they show that stadium right, we can see and measure that spike in traffic to allegiant.com where it's coming directly through organic search or otherwise. And overall, to your point, I'm glad you made it is the stadium itself. It's a fixed cost. And what's great about it is as we continue to expand to new cities, add new routes, people continue to get more and more exposed to the brand through the stadium. I'm paying no more year one than I am year 20.
Right.
It's a line. So in fact, it's a very efficient spin because as we've continued to grow in record setting fashion revenue wise, these last two years coming out of the pandemic, it actually is a smaller proportion and I don't have to call it linearly spend to get more customers. So in fact it does heavy lifting that otherwise we would have to be spending like world class advertisers like GEICO or State Farm or Progressive to continue to keep that volume up. But instead we have a set amount of money that's for, you know, decades long partnership that will continue every time those lights go on or that major Taylor Swift or Beyonce or BTS concerts announced bring allegiant back into the foreground and we don't pay any extra for that. So when you think about it that way, you realize, wow, this is something that you know will continue to drive awareness nationwide, worldwide in some cases even though we don't serve outside the nation yet. And it does so on a fixed basis. So it's a highly profitable when you get a venue like this or when you have an arrangement like the ones that we've constructed, it reduces the reliance on advertising. And the one point I always like to make there is, you know, as humans, as we continue to increasingly delete traditional advertising from our lives, the most potent way for your brand to be seen and be relevant is to be interwoven with the things that that people care about. And while there's a lot of those things, live music and entertainers as well as live sports happen to be two of the biggest that I can think of. And we're seeing that with our customer.
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You look at the data in terms of the power that the NFL has on the media world and it's astounding where 88 out of the top hundred shows watch live across both male and female viewers. It is a national football league so the power it commands, as really evidenced by Google's recent deal Google TV took over to Sunday Ticket YouTube TV rather it just kind of exemplifies that. So I completely am in agreement with the strategy in terms of Another thing I just recently uncovered when we were doing research for this episode is that Allegiant is expanding the business to building a world class resort in southwest Florida. I can't remember another time I heard that an airline was actually building a resort. So what's behind that idea? What's your role in it? And why is that something that you guys are bullish on as a company?
So the Sunseeker Resort, Charlotte harbor will open in October of this year. It's down in southwest Florida out of Punta Gorda. It turns out Punta Gorda is one of our largest markets that we fly into. In fact, only we serve the airport PGD down there. It's about 30, 45 minutes from Sarasota, an hour ish from Tampa. Just to give folks an idea. And it was the brainchild of our CEO John Redmond, who was former CEO of MGM Resorts and was brought on specifically to help us expand into a business that's, you know, not only more profitable than the airline industry, but also commands way greater multiples from the market. I mean way greater multiples from the market. Up to 15 times for some of the recent, you know, world class resorts like Cosmopolitan here, which was recently sold, and the Venetian and Palazzo, the Sands properties. So it was all about broadening and diversifying our portfolio in areas that drive greater margin and greater value put on that margin. The other rationale was it's not unlike Kirkland's brand at Costco or Amazon Basics at Amazon.
Right?
Not every product have they decided to do that. But at some point people checked out with enough of a given product, whether it's batteries at Costco or paper towels at Amazon, they said, you know, it makes it worth it for us to control the economics now and not just be flying a bunch of people in here to go stay at Ritz Carlton or JW Marriott or any others, but to be able to provide that world class experience and to capture the entire economics of air travel, which typically about 5% of a leisure travel budget versus the resort stay. And here's the kicker. The 20 food and beverage outlets that are all fully owned that will be featured throughout Sunseeker Resort. It'll have the biggest in ground pool in Florida. And yes, that includes Disney properties as well. It'll have a rooftop pool. Think infinity pool off the roof, seeing sunset sunrise over Charlotte harbor. And literally food and beverage galore. From fine dining to world class food halls to tiki bar, sports bar. And all of that is fully owned by Allegiant and why that's important is because while this one we built from the ground up, that gives us the ability now to take our loyalty program, Always Rewards and our Always Rewards co brand credit card and along with the Sunseeker brand and the brands of these restaurants, be able to go buy other properties, rebrand them, let's operate them and just in an asset light fashion.
Right.
Take your management fee, take your marketing fees, have a loyalty program and an airline that can help fill them. So we're really excited, yes, for the opening of this one, but what it's going to enable us to do throughout the country as there's other resorts out there that we can then acquire, rebrand and have as part of the Allegian travel company ecosystem.
Yeah, I mean, in many ways we talked about tech innovation earlier. It's. You're building a vertically integrated solution much like Apple did where Apple builds the software and they have the hardware and because of that they're able to really create magic for the consumer. It's much like the physical version of that where, you know, you're controlling the experience from the second somebody gets to the airport to the second they return and including everything, you know, the food and beverages and the entertainment and everything. And I think it's a really interesting model and it's something that, you know, again, I was surprised that when you think about that other companies in travel have not kind of gone into. And then that combined with the fact that people are starting their travel with their flights, which is true largely because you want to make sure that you can afford the flight and the times align and you're not going to have to have three stops on the way there. You are basically controlling that consumer journey from the onset.
That's exactly right. Just going to say, you know, and to that end, a large part of the other 15%, the only time you don't book your flight first is when you need tickets to an NFL game or a music festival and hence the partnership there to even cover off on that one. You know, the ability to come to our site and earn your rewards points by booking ticketed events helps us cover both sides of majority and even that very important minority. It's like, I don't need a flight if I. I can't be assured that I'm going to get tickets to the game or the concert or the festival. And we're trying to cover all of it, just as you said.
Very cool. So switching gears a little bit in terms of the consumer and just travel trends in general, you know, I've read so many stories that this is going to be the first summer of the thousand dollar concert. You had the Taylor Swift tour and the Beyonce tour going out this summer. Consumers are definitely in a post pandemic world right now where we're spending in droves. Every flight, every I've been on over the last three to six months have been completely sold out. What type of demand are you seeing from the consumer and how does that play in with some of the broader economic headwinds that we're seeing at the same time where we're hearing about softness and record low savings and high debt for consumers? How do you see it all playing out?
You bet. So there's definitely been some call it softening because we've always served leisure travel and not business travel. We've seen these trends every year before the pandemic where you have this surge in bookings and travel and spring break and then, you know, April to about now. Ish.
Right.
Middle of May, folks kind of lay off and you start beginning to think about and plan summer travel. And so that will peak again then for families, kids go back to school, summer vacations over and you know, your next big times are around Thanksgiving or the winter holidays. And so what we believe is that the demand remains strong. Yes, right. A lot of that forced savings has been burned off. A lot of those credit cards that are paid down have now increased. And there's certainly all economic indicators that there'll be a recession the back half of this year. But you know, this isn't great recession stuff. Consumers are still, relatively speaking, really healthy versus where they are. And more to the point of your question, what they're spending on their consumption patterns.
Right.
They bought all the TVs they need, got cars, and so now it is about experiences. So even in as much as consumers are going to be spending less overall, the portion of that that they're willing to allocate to have an experience that for depending on how active you were, one and a half to two and a half years in earnest, you were kind of locked away from the world or unable to attend events or go to places you wanted to go. We continue to see, you know, disproportionate consumption happening on those experiences and or experiencing friends and families you love, but all of which requiring you to travel to some degree.
Yeah, I mean, I think what people too easily forget is before the pandemic, we were in the experience economy. I wrote about that in my book Youth Nation, that people were valuing experiences over the accumulation of physical things. We had the sharing economy and companies like Rent the Runway, where people would rent their clothing instead of buying it. And that was all happening. And then the pandemic hit. And to your point, then people were looking for a new corner in their house where they can shove a new TV or electronic device. And basically they bought everything that they needed to buy Peloton Sonos speakers, you name it. And now the demand for some of the more durable goods has kind of waned, but now you have this sort of resurgence, or renaissance, if you will, for experiences. And that's why I think we're seeing cost of concert tickets being driven up and we're seeing hotels and airlines sell out.
Absolutely. No. That's exactly what's been happening. So we expect a strong summer. And look, like I said kind of implicitly that fall is not a big leisure travel. But add another reason why Allegiant Stadium in the NFL makes so much sense for us, because if you are traveling in the fall, it's a good chance it might be around a college or a pro football game. And certainly if your team's playing here in Las Vegas, we'd be excited to see you.
Absolutely. So shifting gears to wrap up here, Scott, you've obviously had a really exciting career and an incredible role right now. And you strike me as somebody who's really passionate and really understands and commands the business that you're working on. What steps do you feel like you've taken that have put you in a position to be where you are today? Maybe for some of our younger listeners just getting started out that want to end up in the CMOC one day.
Yeah. This is one of my biggest passion points, and I'm glad you mentioned to me younger users, because I think one of the things that we just need to do more of in this country is provide Right. More professionals out there talking to not just college, but high school students. Answering the question that you're asking now, and here's my answer, it's that, you know, I was willing to try things, different industries, different disciplines. I spent time as the leader, product development, as revenue management professional, and finance. It wasn't just a pure marketing career. And all those things have helped me. You asked earlier about, like, how you justify and measure the return on investment on some not straightforward marketing investments. And the answer is not just from my marketing background, but from time I spend in finance as we develop the Amazon and travel. A lot of that vision comes from time I spend in product development and around technology. So I would encourage folks that there's not a checklist to get there. Every experience, every place that you can pick up a new perspective, a new way of thinking is super important. And I was speaking with high schoolers, which dawned on me like, wow, we don't do this enough about sports marketing. There's a great program here in Southern Nevada where students literally have a high school course on sports marketing. I mean, where was that when I was growing up 40 years ago? And I asked the question, I said, who in the audience here kind of wants to be in sports marketing, but they don't think they know enough about sports to really be in it? And there were two young women that raised their hand and I'm sure there was a bunch more that wanted to and I had the ability to deliver them. Hey, great news. Unless you're a coach or general manager, it's really not all that important. It's more important that you know your partners, their business, that you can listen to what their needs are and you can be creative not just at the given venue, but through your social media channels, through your digital ecosystem where you're interacting with fans. And I said, I suspect both of you are pretty active on social and got the head knots and feel pretty good about digital and like you can do it. And no matter what industry it is, I think more and more young people need to be able to understand what's out there so they can make good choices about what's possible. A ton of people count themselves out, right, Long before they've even given themselves a chance to be great at something. And that's really the get out of your comfort zone early and often. And you'll find, right, you'll buzz back in and you'll figure out pack jobs. And like, this is just, it's not for me, we'll do it until something better comes along. And then ultimately you get to something where you can really recognize what you like. And I mean both industry wise, but also people wise, what type of environment, what type of business philosophy, what type of work culture that works for you. And the only way you find that is finding a bunch that don't and then being able to recognize the one that does. So just go out and grab experiences, even in the workplace.
Absolutely. And the close out here is with all that. Is there kind of a mantra that you like to live by that kind of embodies all that into a phrase?
Yeah. And I'm going to just give you a little short story here and yeah, please, you have to truly be yourself. And I'll Explain what I mean. So in my early 20s, single guy, I'm dating one, two, three dates. And we're at dinner and she looks at me, scott, you're a really great guy, but, you know, you're loud and you're passionate and you're this. And I see someone mellow and chill. And so I took that at the time as sp back. And so, I don't know, six, nine months later, dating again. First date, second date, third date, sitting across, you know, but Scott, you're a really great guy, but you're just mellow and chill, and I just want someone with passion. I'm like, no, that's me. And I learned in that moment.
Right.
Same thing with work environment. Just you got to be you. And even when you isn't right at a given culture, you need to find a different place. Because if you go down as you, you know, great, this, live by the sword, die by the sword, but you start to try to change you to fit into what other people expect, and you go down that wave when they really wanted you. Like, you never forgive yourself. So, you know, be true to what you value, who you are and find people that respect that and find work cultures and groups of friends, you know, that help you thrive.
Yeah. And everyone else has already taken, as they say. Right. So really the only choice that you have. So. Well, listen, Scott, thanks so much for joining. This has been awesome episode. I mean, I learned so much about you and your company, and I'm really excited to see the things that you're going to continue to do to build the brand moving forward. Best of luck with everything.
It's my pleasure. Good luck to your eagles this year.
Thank you so much, sir. So on behalf of Suzy and the adwee team, thanks again to Scott d', Angelo, executive Vice president and Chief Marketing Officer at Allegiant Travel Company, for joining us today. Be sure to subscribe, rate and review the speed of Culture podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks again, everyone. Until next time, see you soon. The Speed of Culture is brought to you by Susie as part of the Adweek Podcast Network and a guest creator network. You can listen subscribe to all Adweek's podcast by visiting Adweek.com podcast To find out more about Suzy, head to Suzy.com and make sure to search for the speed of culture in Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Google podcasts or anywhere else podcasts are found, click follow so you don't miss out on any future episodes. On behalf of the team here at Suzy, thanks for listening.
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