Episode #39: Glyphosate with Dr. Stephanie Seneff, PhD

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Hello everybody and welcome to episode number 39 of the Better Health Guy Blogcast series. Today's guest is Dr. Stephanie Seneff and the topic of the show is glyphosate. Dr. Stephanie Seneff is a senior research scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. She received a BS degree in biophysics in 1968 and an Ms. And EE degree in electrical engineering in 1980, and a PhD degree in electrical engineering and computer science in 1985, all from MIT. For over three decades her research interests have always been at the intersection of biology and computation. Developing a computational model for the human auditory system, understanding human language so as to develop algorithms and systems for human computer interactions, as well as applying natural language processing techniques to gene predictions. She's published over 170 articles on these subjects and has been invited to give keynote speeches at several international conferences. She has supervised numerous Master's and PhD theses at MIT. In 2012, Dr. Seneff was elected Fellow of the International Speech and Communication Association. In recent years she's focused her research interests back towards biology. She is concentrating mainly on the relationship between nutrition and Health. Since 2011 she's published over two dozen papers in various medical and health related journals on topics of modern day diseases such as Alzheimer's, autism and cardiovascular disease. Analysis and search of databases of drug side effects using NLP techniques and the impact of nutritional deficiencies and environmental toxins on human health. And now my interview with Dr. Stephanie Seneff. So it has long been my opinion that many aspects of chronic illness that people experience today can be explained by the amount of environmental toxicity that we're all exposed to on a daily basis in our modern world. I am very excited today to have Dr. Stephanie Seneff here and thank you for being here. Dr. Seneff.

I'm delighted to be here. Thank you for having me.

Thank you. So reading your bio and knowing your work for the past many years, it's really amazing all the things that you've done in your career and with such a strong background in computer science and artificial intelligence, what drew you more recently to discuss the impact of the environment and the implications on human health.

I think the main thing was autism. I was watching very nervously seeing the autism numbers climb. And this was 10 years ago. I was really getting concerned because the growth was exponential. And I know exponential growth gets out of hand over time. Numbers were sufficiently small that people weren't really noticing at that time, but now I think it's much more visible. Almost everybody knows at least somebody with autism these days, it seems like. And I'm very concerned that the government is not concerned about this. It really frustrates me that they always find a way to say, oh, we're just diagnosing it more. You know, we're just being more. It's just all these excuses to deny the fact that we have a problem. So I was frustrated also because most of the research dollars were going to genetics. They were calling it a genetic disease. Genetic diseases don't grow exponentially. So I knew there was something in the environment and I wanted to find it. I just, I have a strong sense of curiosity and I love science. And, you know, with my computer science skills, I can do a lot of digging around, getting correlations and whatnot. And I just decided to take that project on 10 years ago. And actually it took me five years of searching before I found the truth. And so I looked at a lot of different things. Aluminum, mercury, lead, you know, PCBs, all the different things, plastics and whatnot. And I knew that. And of course I was studying all the features of autism. Turns out to be an extremely interesting condition. Many, many comorbidities, you know, just all kinds of unusual problems that these kids have. And I mean, a lot of studies have been done that show various imbalances and different metrics, you know, and problems with the gut. I mean, lots of things that are going on with autism. Some kind of problem dealing with minerals. And so it was about five years ago that I happened to be at a conference where Don Huber, Professor Don Huber, who's retired from the Purdue University, an expert on plant physiology, plant pathology, he gave a two hour presentation. And it looked interesting to me. So I thought, well, maybe I'll go and see what's up with this. This thing. Glyphosate, I don't know what it is. I mean, I did not know the word when I walked into that lecture. And after I completed that two hour lecture, I dropped everything else I was doing and spent the rest of my time so far studying glyphosate. Because I think it's the answer. I think it's the reason for the epidemic. Glyphosate is the active ingredient. Roundup. And Roundup people know what that is.

So we are all fortunate that you have a curious mind and doing all of this work. It's really, really fantastic. So tell us then, what is glyphosate? And it's interesting. I'm glad you also pronounce it glyphosate, because that's what I've usually said, and most of the time when I hear people say it, they say glyphosate or something else.

Glycophate is another word. Glycophate I'm fascinated with. It's such a difficult word for people to know how to pronounce. Glyphosate is the right way to pronounce it.

So what is glyphosate, and why is it a concern for health? And then maybe we can go in a little bit to the story that they talk about where it's not supposed to be toxic to humans. And then some of the research that you've done on why is it that it negatively impacts us.

Great. Yes. So glyphosate is the active ingredient in the herbicide Roundup, which is considered to be extremely, extremely safe to humans and a wonderful herbicide. It kills all plants except for those few that have been engineered to resist it through the insertion of a bacterial gene in the GMO technology. So it's very convenient as an herbicide because it's so harmless to us. And this was the hard sell that Monsanto made back in the 1970s. It's been around on the market since the mid-1970s. It got into really heavy usage once they introduced those GMO crops in the round of 1998 timeframe. And those crops are the core crops of the processed food industry. So this is when we started getting lots and lots of glyphosate showing up in our food. And of course, the weeds got to be resistant. They developed a natural resistance to glyphosate with the usage on these GMO crops, which necessitated increased application rates. And so this is why the application has gone up exponentially since 1998. The use of glyphosate on our crops has gone up exponentially, exactly in step with the exponential growth in all the two curves coincide. This, to me, is very disturbing.

Yeah, that is very interesting. So how do we get exposed to glyphosate? What are some of the ways that we might encounter it? What are some of the foods that are more concerning? And then maybe we can Talk a little bit about organic foods. Do we still get exposure through organic foods?

Okay, all great questions and it certainly is very, very important to know which foods are safe. And I want to say first off that there is an activist in Canada, Tony Mitra. He's been working for many years harassing the Canadian government to get them to test foods for glyphosate. Because it's very sad to know that us basically doesn't bother to test foods for glyphosate. We're like, it's so safe, we don't care whatever mileage is in there. And if Monsanto, if it turns out they discover that something has a higher level than they have a certain limit for certain foods. And if something, if it's consistently tokens are showing up with a higher than level, higher than limit, then they just raise the limit. So they don't even bother to test what limit is safe. They just say, oh gosh, we've got more than the limit, let's put the limit, let's raise the limit. But in Canada, they did you. They tested over 8,000 different products on the insistence of Tony Mitra. And this has happened over the last few years and they gave all that data to him. And he has published an ebook called Poison Foods of North America. Very apt name. And it's kind of a dry book, but it has a lot of data. And that book is really valuable because it can tell you which foods are the most dangerous. And it's surprising. I had some surprises from what I found in the book because the GMO foods, certainly corn, soy, canola, sugar beets. So that's a, you know, sugar. High fructose corn syrup comes from the GMO corn. So sugars are going to be problematic. But there's also foods that are non gmo. Sugar cane, for example, is frequently sprayed with glyphosate right before the harvest as a ripener. So all the sugars are in trouble. Sugar cane, the sugar beets and the high fructose corn syrup are all likely to be contaminated. And then of course, the canola oil is a basic oil that's used in a lot of the processed food industry. And then you have, of course, corn in general is a very important product. Corn chips and whatnot. Now the other problem is other things besides sugarcane that are sprayed right before the harvest, including wheat, barley, and all kinds of different beans. You know, lentils, peas, chickpeas, probably peanuts and garbanzo beans. These are, Tony found by far the highest levels in the beans, which was very surprising. To me, the lentils, huge levels in the lentils. The chickpeas, hummus for example, and even the organic forms of those, they had maybe half as much as the non organic, but which was still a huge amount. And the other thing interesting that Tony found Canada tested not only their own food, but also imports. Of course, they have quite a few imports from the US as well as imports from Mexico and from Europe consistently. Tony found that imports from Mexico and Europe were far, far lower in contamination levels than either Canada or the United States. Those two were king. They were king of glyphosate consistently. Much, much higher levels. Even the organic garbanzo beans from Canada and the United States were significantly higher levels of glyphosate than the non organic forms from Mexico and Europe. Very, very sobering.

So how is it that organic foods still have glyphosate if they're not being sprayed with it? Is it because it's just so ubiquitous now that the fact that they're grown outdoors means they're getting exposed or.

Yeah, the rain has it. For example, I think a study in Kentucky showed 86% of the rain samples were contaminated. You can't keep it out of the rain. It's going to get on your crop. They can't use it in their crops. And of course they can cheat. And it's possible that they're cheating. I mean, Tony is frustrated because he does not understand the levels in those organic forms of those. Those chickpeas were incredibly high. And it's hard to imagine that could have happened without, you know, some kind of fraud. I mean, we don't know. It's a mystery, actually. It's possible that they're in the middle of a huge, vast array of non organic and they're taking advantage of the fact of wind drift. And when their neighbors spray, it just comes right over their crop and they get it too. But they never sprayed it. I mean, I don't know.

It's.

Your guess is as good as mine.

And Indian food is my favorite food. Oh my goodness.

I always thought hummus was really safe and wonderful food. Very wholesome. And I like all that Middle American food too, you know, and I just that.

So I've heard some people even mention that there's a possibility there may be glyphosate in some supplements, maybe in the capsules that are used. Have you heard that at all?

I have. And in fact, Anthony Samsel has tested a lot of different products and he has tested gelatin products and they've come out positive. Jello for example, and also a gelatin based chewable vitamin tablet that children. For children's vitamin that came out positive. And gel caps, of course, unless they're vegetarian gel caps. So then the non vegetarian gel caps come from gelatin, which is derived from the collagen in the bones and ligaments of cows and pigs that are fed heavy doses of glyphosate in their feed. And we'll get into this later, but collagen contains a lot of glycine and I think glyphosate is substituting for the glycine. So that really invites concentration of glyphosate in the gelatin.

So can it then be in capsules that either were vegetarian capsules or not? Because the vegetables potentially they use to make the capsules may have it. And then if it's.

There you go.

So either way it has a potential.

It sounds like it's quite a challenge. I go rummaging through the web looking for patents because you need to find out how is something manufactured. And then you have to go back and look at the products that are input to the manufacturing process and how are they meant. You have to do this big paper trail, you know, to find out. And ultimately you find sometimes there's these GMO yeast that have been engineered to produce some kind of a natural biological protein. And then they're fed sugars. So where do those sugars come from? Are they contaminated with glyphosate? All these questions, no answers. You know, we have very little data. I wrote a paper actually on drug contaminations together with colleagues some, some time ago, maybe a couple years back. Really fascinating study because we looked at the FDA's adverse event reporting system on drugs, and we looked specifically for drugs that had a very high correlation with death as a side effect, a pretty severe side effect, one that's indisputable. So death is a side effect and which drugs? And it was very curious because the dominant drugs that the top five, six candidates were all biologicals and many of them were proteins. And in fact, two in particular were very interesting proteins that I didn't even know about beforehand. So we dug in, we got these, you know, protamine sulfate and trisylol, two different drugs that are proteins that are derived from animals. I mean, the protamine sulfate is derived from the testes of sturgeon. And sturgeon are fish that are in the Iraq, in the Caspian Sea. And the sturgeon. I found papers that talked about the decimation of the sturgeon due to glyphosate exposure. They were being destroyed by glyphosate. And it's been shown in other papers that glyphosate accumulates in the testes. So, you know, you put two and two together and get five. And then this proto mean sulfate was causing these absolutely bizarre reactions very occasionally. So it was like a rare, absolutely bizarre reaction that nobody could explain, but, however, was exactly the same as the reaction that they got in piglets when they injected glyphosate into the piglet's bloodstream. And this drug is an injectable drug. So basically, you put the pieces of the puzzle together, you tell the story. We didn't prove it. We just said, hey, maybe this is the explanation for this.

So once glyphosate is in the body, how does it affect our health? Does it get absorbed through the gut wall into systemic circulation? What body systems does it affect? And then are there certain symptoms that someone might experience if they have glyphosate exposure?

Yeah, a lot of questions there. But it's very fascinating to see exactly how glyphosate is taken up by the cells. Monsanto has argued that it's great because it's not, you know, it's unmetabolized for the most part. It may turn into AMPA as a metabolic product, and then most of it disappears very quickly, either through the feces or through the urine. They say it basically doesn't accumulate. Only, of course, they have shown otherwise in their own studies, which is something that Anthony Samsoe found out because he has all these documents, secret documents that he got from the EPA through the Freedom of Information Act. Monsanto's own documents have shown they did studies where they exposed rats to radiolabeled glyphosate so they could track it. And then they measured the radiolabel in various tissues. They found it in the muscles, they found it in most of the organs. They found it in the bone marrow in particular, at the highest concentrations in the bone marrow, which is really interesting because glyphosate has been connected most strongly to non Hodgkin's lymphoma, which is a disease of the immune cells, the white blood cells which come out of the bone marrow, they mature out of the bone marrow. So I think that glyphosate is accumulating in the bone marrow. And then when you have an injury, cells come out of the stem, cells come out of the bone marrow to try to repair the injury, carrying glyphosate on their backs. That's what I think. Now, the Other really interesting thing is that it gets taken up by amino acid transporters. Glyphosate is an amino acid, and that's one of the. That's the biggest reason, I think, for its toxicity. It's an amino acid analog of glycine. And so I think it gets completely confused with glycine in. By biological systems. And it's been shown in a paper that is actively taken up by an amino acid transporter. And so, for example, in the gut, you have the mid gut, the small intestines, which is where you have the enterocytes that are associated there. Erosion is associated with celiac disease, which we have an epidemic in celiac disease, which is related to wheat, which is poisoned with glyphosate right before the harvest. So we have glyphosate contamination in the wheat that is then being taken up by these enterocytes, one of whose job is to transport amino acids from the gut into the body. So they are, you know, in charge of. Basically the proteins get broken down into individual amino acids, and then the enterocytes transfer them into the main circulation to supply them to the tissues. And in doing so, they also can't help themselves from also taking up glyphosate. So I think they get a much higher exposure to glyphosate than other cell types, and this is why they get especially affected by it.

So it does sound like it gets absorbed into the body. It's not just something that affects the gut. Does it also lead to leaky gut or increased permeability of the tight junctions in the gut itself?

I mean, absolutely. And that's the whole thing with these enterocytes. Because what I'm seeing more and more, and what I'm suspecting is that the glyphosate is a real hit on those enterocytes, and that's in these villi that are. They're like this really huge surface area that's made by all these things that stick out like hairs. The cells, they are constantly renewed. They mature from stem cells at the base, and they mature up to the tip. And then they play their role of importing nutrients, vitamins, minerals, amino acids. I mean, all the different nutrients that are being digested. It's their job to. To bring them into the system and supply them to the body. And those cells get hit hard, and then when they get hit hard, they open up their tight junction, so they become leaky. And so now random material can get past the gut, along the sides of the cells, between the cells. And one of those random materials is proteins. And Glyphosate disrupts the digestive enzymes that are produced by the pancreas. And Anthony showed in one of our papers, he ordered porcine trypsin and porcine pepsin and porcine lipase. The first two were involved with protein digestion, and lipase is involved with fat digestion. And all three of them tested positive for significant amounts of glyphosate in the portine products that he had ordered from a supplier. Turns out they have essential glycine that can get displaced by glyphosate, messing up their ability to do their job. So proteins don't get digested. Peptides leak into the general system circulation. The immune cells get upset with that situation. They react to them and produce antibodies. And those antibodies become autoantibodies because of something called molecular mimicry. And the body starts attacking itself, and you get all kinds of different autoimmune diseases. I think that's what's happening. I think that's why we have an epidemic and a long list of autoimmune diseases right now in this country.

And that increased hyperpermeability also then leads to higher levels of systemic inflammation.

Absolutely. This is the thing you always see. All these diseases are linked to inflammatory responses in various places in your body that are causing various aches and pains. And I think it's entirely. Glyphosate is playing a huge role in this epidemic that we're seeing in all of these things. Of course, we have also the opioid drug epidemic, abuse epidemic, with many people dying from opioid drug overdoses. And I think that's also due to just people are in such chronic pain, back pain, shoulder pain, knee pain, they're doing hip surgery. I mean, all of these problems we're having with our joints is, I think, a direct hit from glyphosate, because the joints have a lot of collagen. The collagen is loaded with glycine. The glyphosate gets in in place of the glycine, and it disrupts the structure of a collagen so that it doesn't work properly. And collagen is really important in the joints for maintaining the flexibility and the tensile strength. I mean, all the elasticity, all the properties of the joint that make it work well depend upon a properly formed collagen crystal. That is not happening because of the glyphosate contamination.

Which is a double whammy, then, for people dealing with something like Lyme disease, where borrelia itself consumes or feeds on collagen. So You've got kind of the inability to repair and build collagen, but also this infection that's breaking down collagen. So that is interesting. Another word that I've heard pronounced a couple different ways that I want to ask you about. It's tied into this idea that it's supposed to not affect humans, but that it does, my understanding, affect the beneficial flora in the gut. And that's this whole shikimate, or I've heard Dr. Klinghardt say, Shikamati pathway. So wondering if you could tell us about that. And it sounds like some of the impact of glyphosate is on the microbiome.

Absolutely. That's a huge part of its impact. Of course, that's where it hits first. When you're eating it, it's going to go right into your gut. A paper on poultry has shown that glyphosate preferentially kills. First of all, it is an antibiotic. It's been patented as an antimicrobial agent, and it preferentially kills the beneficial bacteria, Lactobacillus, bifidobacteria, and they become attacked by glyphosate. And this allows the pathogens a chance to grow. So what happens is that these. As the population of these beneficial bacteria shrink, it leaves a vacuum, and the pathogens then take advantage of that and flourish. And in particular, actually the yeast, because by killing the bacteria and also by disrupting the bacteria's metabolic system, it ends up having extra sugar that doesn't get metabolized by the bacteria, which feeds the yeast. So we have yeast in our gut. It's an important part of our microbiome. But you get too much yeast when you're chronically exposed to glyphosate. And then the yeast starts, of course, also getting out into other parts of your body, and you get eczema because of yeast infection in your skin and things like that. So the yeast cause trouble and cause symptoms, various problems. Yeast infection in the. In the reproductive system and the urinary tract, you know, all these different infections that you get with the yeast, consequence, I think, of glyphosate's preferential killing of the bacteria and allowing these to flourish.

So is my understanding correct that the initial argument for why it would not affect humans was that we did not have this shikimate pathway, but that our microbiome, the organisms in us, do have this pathway, and thus they are affected by it, resulting in broader systemic issues?

Yes. And of course, also the other thing. First of all, it's the Bacteria getting disrupted. But secondly, the chicken mate pathway is really important for us because we rely on our microbes to produce lots and lots of nutrients that we can't make. And of course, we can't make the product of the chikamate pathway because we don't have the pathway. And the products are really, really super important. These are the aromatic amino acids tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine. And they are precursors to a huge list of really important bioactive molecules, including various neurotransmitters, dopamine, serotonin, melatonin, the skin tanning agent, melanin, thyroid hormone, B vitamins such as folate, these things are all derived. And vitamin E, they're all derived from the shikimate pathway. And so the bacteria are producing the precursors to these incredibly important molecules. And if the precursors are not being produced, then guess what? We're going to be deficient.

Yeah, that's interesting. In the biotoxin illness realm, with Richie Shoemaker's work, they talk about the melanocyte stimulating hormone, or msh, being consistently low in people with Lyme disease or water damage, building exposures and such. My understanding is there is a connection there with melanin and melatonin. And so I'm wondering if there's also. If this is also another reason that some people maybe have lower levels of msh. I don't know.

I think you're probably right. Yeah. And one thing I find interesting is, for example, blacks have a higher risk to autism than whites. The black male, in fact, is especially susceptible to autism. And I'm suspecting that might have something to do with the fact that dopamine and melanin come from the same precursor, which is the product of the shikimate pathway. And the blacks have a lot more melanin in their skin, which is going to draw that product away from being able to produce dopamine. And so they become dopamine deficient is one theory I have as to how that might connect to them being more susceptible to autism.

So I know labs have started popping up in the US over the last couple years. It was more difficult previously to see if you had glyphosate in your system. Are any of these labs ones that you feel are helpful, are they worth exploring?

Yeah, and I think my Labs for Life is a good one you can find on the web. And there's also micro. I've forgotten the name. Zen Hunnicutt of Moms Across America has links to a website that she Used to test breast milk, for example. And so you can certainly send your urine off. You can send a urine sample off to one of these labs and get results for glyphosate. Unfortunately, it's kind of a short term sample because it's kind of. There's a large part of the glyphosate that you're exposed to that comes and goes and comes out through the urine. So it'll be sort of an estimate of what you were exposed to over the past few weeks, which may not be represented. You'd have to keep on getting urine samples all throughout the year to try to figure out. You know, it would cost a lot of money to get kind of an average value, but you could at least do one sample and see if you could get zero, which would be very satisfying. If you could get a number back that's zero, you would be very happy to know that at least for that previous period of time, you were safe.

Yeah, I guess one of the challenges is it sounds like we're all exposed to it. And so I wonder whether the testing changes the direction that someone takes. It sounds like we all need to. And we'll talk more later, but it sounds like we all need to consider ways to minimize exposure, but also to support detoxification of glyphosate from the body.

Yeah, I mean, in fact, I don't really necessarily consider it useful to test your urine because I pretty much can guarantee we've all been exposed. And what you need to do is just assume exposure and work on minimizing risk. And so certainly what I do is I very. I'm getting more and more rigorous about organic diet. Everything we buy at the grocery store is organic, including our spices, our cornstarch, you know, our wine. Everything is organic. When we go out to eat, not so, not so good. Right. So I try to pick things on the menu that I think are going to be less contaminated. And we kind of joke about the fact that we're poisoning our. And increasingly we're saying, hey, you know, let's not eat out. So we're getting eating out less and less because we're so aware of the poison we're exposing ourselves to. We don't want to take that risk. My husband and I.

So you've talked about the correlation of glyphosate and autism. How significant do you think the role of glyphosate is in autism? And then you've also talked about a connection between glyphosate and vaccination. So how does that fit into this whole picture of autism.

It's very, very interesting. And actually vaccines is where I started. When I first started looking at autism, I was aware that many parents had said their child was fine, they got a vaccine, often it was an MMR vaccine, and then they regressed into autism shortly thereafter. And I believed that that was an important clue. And when I started looking into it, I found out, in fact that you could find correlations between autism and MMR in the vaccine reverse event reporting system. So I did a lot of number crunching on the VARS database, which is a great database. It has its flaws in the sense that, you know, it's not as rigorous as it could be. And it's really this kind of descriptions and we just looked at for words, looked statistically for frequencies of words in the description of what the child had experienced and things like that. But we certainly found MMR stood out with respect to autism. And I was puzzled by that because I was expecting aluminum and mercury. MMR doesn't contain either one. So I was really puzzled. I wrote a paper long before I knew about glyphosate in which, and I wasn't the only one who had proposed this, but I suggested that the Tylenol that's given to the child often to curb the fever following the vaccine, could be the source of the toxicity, particularly for a child who had an inability to detox the Tylenol. And it turns out Tylenol is detoxed through sulfation and glyphosate is an absolute train wreck for sulfation. And so I think what's happening is that kids are becoming more susceptible to Tylenol because of the glyphosate effect on the liver, liver's ability to detox it. But worse than that, MMR also contains glutamate and glutamate is a neurotoxin. Glutamate works together with glycine to excite nimdoreceptors in the brain. And nimdoreceptors have also been linked to autism, sort of over excited neurons, which burns them out. But finally, what really, I think the final piece of the puzzle with respect to MMR in my opinion, is the contamination of MMR with glyphosate. And this is only my most recent work. Anthony and I published a long paper last year where he's tested several different vaccines and, and he consistently found that the ones that were grown were live virus grown on gelatin, which is derived from pigs and cows. Those are the ones that were testing positive and the highest levels. And MMR had by far the highest contamination of glyphosate among all the vaccines that he tested. And that was just like a red flag to me. And then when you look at the idea of glyphosate getting into proteins by mistake, and you look at the fact that MMR is a live virus, a live measles virus, and you consider the fact that glyphosate sets up leaky barriers, so it gets the leaky gut barrier, leaky brain barrier. Measles usually starts out in the gut. So the measles virus, if a child has a weakened immune system, which glyphosate creates, then the virus flourishes in the gut. And then with those leaky barriers, it can get into the brain. And once the virus gets into the brain, then you can get an autoimmune reaction, because the brain's immune system, which is sort of separate from the body's immune system, can develop antibodies to the hemagglutinin, which is the protein that you need antibodies to if the vaccine is going to take. So they want you to get antibodies to hemagglutinin, but if you get brain antibodies to hemagglutinin, then there's a peptide sequence that resembles a peptide sequence in myelin, basic protein in the myelin sheath. So really complicated science there. But effectively what happens is that your brain reacts to the live virus that has infected the brain with an immune response that results in autoimmune disease, where the brain attacks its myelin sheath, which is lining all the nerve fibers. And that's going to mess up the long distance communications among the neurons, which means sort of the interface with the world. So the child becomes kind of unable to. You can't get their attention. They're kind of like in their own world because those axons aren't working anymore because the myelin has been stripped. I think that's the key thing with the final blow that leads to the autism over time, after the vaccine has settled in, after you get the vaccine, you get the acute reaction, you get the immune response, and then you get this autoimmune erosion of the neurons over the course of several months subsequent to result in the autistic behavior.

Such a sad, sad situation. Yeah. So many of the people listening to this show are dealing with Lyme disease, with mold illness, with chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, Ms. Do you think that there's also a correlation or a connection between glyphosate and all of these other conditions that also seem to be rising at an exponential rate.

I do. I think they're all connected. Now. I have studied some of them more and some of them less. Lyme disease is especially interesting because the Lyme microbe is actually very. It's an interesting microbe in the sense that it depends on manganese and it doesn't depend on iron. And manganese is one of the things I identified. Anthony and I wrote an entire paper on glyphosate and manganese, because glyphosate chelates minerals, but especially manganese. Making it unavailable can cause manganese deficiency problems. And I suspect that the Lyme virus is able to actually pull manganese out of the store. The manganese actually builds up in the liver and the gallbladder because the distribution system for manganese gets busted with glyphosate, and then the blood becomes very deficient, the body becomes deficient. But the Lyme virus, the Lyme microbe, grows in the gallbladder initially, fueling itself on that manganese that's growing. It's accumulating in high concentrations. That's what allows that microbe to get out of hand. Because the manganese is not being distributed throughout the body. It's being concentrated in this one place.

Which then is feeding the borrelia, which is the bacteria that's involved in Lyme.

Okay, yeah, the borrelia. I was forgetting its name, but that's right.

Yeah, no, that's really Cordorphae.

Right, Borrelia.

Yeah, you even said it right. Which most people also don't. They just take a shot at that one, too. And it's often mispronounced. So you've also mentioned a connection between anemia and glyphosate. So how does glyphosate potentially lead to anemia?

And that's actually similar to the manganese. Glyphosate seems to mess up all the minerals. The body has really sophisticated systems for transporting and delivering minerals to where they're needed and protecting the passage, because these minerals are all very reactive. So that you can't just let them lie around in random places. They will cause trouble. So iron is certainly like that. It's very reactive, and you need to sort of sequester it in chelators, you need to transport it, and then carefully deliver it through transporters to places where it can then be used effectively, like in the lysosome, to digest debris. Glyphosate messes up a number of the components of that system, starting with simply chelating the iron itself. Because glyphosate binds to these minerals. So glyphosate makes the iron unavailable until the glyphosate travels to a place where it's acidic. And in an acidic environment, glyphosate drops off the iron. And now suddenly both the glyphosate and the iron become toxic. For example, in the kidney or in the pituitary gland, where they as a terminal watershed where the, where the blood is equilibrating with other fluids is the most acidic place in the blood and the most likely place where glyphosate is going to drop off the iron. So the iron is unavailable to the red blood cells because it's bound to the glyphosate. And then the transport of the iron is also messed up. The transporters have glycine dependency. So if they get contaminated with glyphosate, they can't take up the iron. And including iron chelators that are produced by the bacteria, the enzymes that make those are also glycine dependent. So when you start to dig around and find enzymes that are glycine dependent or proteins that are glycine dependent, you can suspect that if that glycine is substituted by glyphosate, that protein will misbehave. So all the minerals I think are disrupted, the zinc, the iron, the manganese, the cobalt, selenium, sulfur and molybdenum, all of those are messed up by glyphosate in both the plants and the human. So we have deficiencies in the minerals in our plants because they can't be taken up by the plant. Glyphosate disrupts that whole uptake process. So we get the deficiencies, we get the imbalances, toxicity combined with anemia at the same time.

So do you then advocate for utilizing trace minerals and maybe even some macro minerals in response to the deficits that glyphosate potentially produces in the body?

I do, and in fact, I really encourage people to drink bone soup made from organic grass fed beef bones, for example, organic chicken bones. My husband is a great cook and he makes a batch of bone soup every week on the weekend, and then we have it every day. Throw in some fresh vegetables, just slightly cooked, organic, fresh vegetables to make a soup, and it's a great way to finish your day. And I think that's really good because you get all the minerals coming out of the bone in the natural balances that are needed. I don't like mineral supplements, and especially like iron supplements can often be toxic. And because glyphosate disrupts the absorption you get this sort of heavy dose of a particular mineral, you might whack out the balance of the ones you're not taking. It's very tricky, but you can take. There are certainly very complicated vitamin mineral pills that have a whole bunch of things all in appropriate balance. Those are probably good. And then, of course, using Mediterranean Sea salt, for example, instead of table salt, really important because that has all the minerals instead of just the sodium chloride.

Perfect. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I like some of the liquid trace minerals out there as well. Like Quinton, I believe, is one that's ocean derived, that has a whole mix of 70 or 80 or more different minerals. There's a few of them like that. Let's talk a little bit about aluminum. Dr. Klinghardt talks about aluminum in the context of aluminum often being the thing that makes someone with Lyme either feel symptomatic or maybe they have Lyme, but they don't feel particularly bad. And so is there some connection between aluminum glyphosate?

Definitely. And in fact, I wrote a paper on that. I wrote a paper about the pituitary gland and sleep disorder. And we hypothesized this is definitely a hypothesis paper, but it makes sense. There certainly are papers that talk about glyphosate binding to aluminum. You actually get a complex of multiple glyphosate molecules bound to an aluminum molecule in the middle. And what this does is it hides the plus three charge. Aluminum has a plus three charge, which usually makes it pretty difficult for it to get across the middle, the gut barrier. But when you combine it with glyphosate, it makes a neutral molecule because glyphosate has negative charge. So you have this neutral molecule consisting of a complex of probably two glyphosate molecules and aluminum embedded between them. And that becomes much easier to get the aluminum across the gut barrier and across the brain barrier. And again, once you get into the pituitary is actually outside the brain barriers. It doesn't even have to get into the brain. Once you get into that acidic environment which the pituitary offers, because it's one of those terminal watershed areas, glyphosate will unload its aluminum, and that's when both become toxic. And certainly aluminum does accumulate in the pineal gland. Have I been saying pituitary the whole time? Pineal gland? I'm so sorry. I make that mistake too often. Pineal gland, sleep disorder, melatonin, Pineal gland getting disrupted by glyphosate and aluminum is what I'm suspecting As one of the. As a way to explain the epidemic that we're seeing in sleep disorder, which we do have right now. One of the things that we have an epidemic in.

So if glyphosate, then is helping to carry aluminum from the gut into the brain, potentially, I'm guessing that you also would associate the increases around dementia and Alzheimer's and other things to glyphosate as well.

Absolutely. I think aluminum, of course, is a very popular theory for dementia, is aluminum exposure to the brain. But more than that, glyphosate itself. Anthony and I published a paper, our first paper, talking about the glycine glyphosate substituting for glycine during protein synthesis, which I really, really believe is happening. This is not something that has been absolutely proven, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, in my opinion. I'm very confident that we're right. I will be very happy if some chemist will do some decisive experiment that proves it beyond a shadow or doubt. But it's very interesting to look at Alzheimer's disease with respect to amyloid beta plaque, because, as you know, amyloid beta is very commonly associated with Alzheimer's, and there's lots of money being spent trying to develop drugs that will suppress the production of amyloid beta. Those are the plaques and tangles that show up in the Alzheimer's brain. There have been studies that have shown that it's specifically two glycine residues in the amyloid beta protein that are the cause of trouble in the misformation of the protein and its inability to be broken down and the formation of these crystals. Those two glycine residues are highly, highly conserved. They've been there for a very long time in the history of our development of that gene. So it's very weird that all of a sudden these glycines are toxic. And to me, the obvious explanation is that they're not glycine, they're glyphosate. So the glyphosate is getting into that protein and disrupting its ability to fold correctly and then causing these crystals to form. And it's sort of like prion diseases. I think the prion diseases are also caused by glyphosate. For example, mad cow. And it's very interesting with a prion protein associated with MadCal, because they've identified a specific sequence which I think is aagaagaa. It's a palindrome that's alanine and glycine, two alanines and then a glycine and then two Alanines and then a glycine and then two alanines. It's a particular sequence of amino acids within that prion protein that again, have been targeted as the source of trouble for the prions. Two glycines in there. And I suspect again that it's because those glycines are getting substituted by glyphosate. The proteins misfolded. This is something that we're seeing, you know, even, for example, insulin dependent diabetes is now being connected to, is being thought of as potentially a prion type disease. So we're finding more and more that diseases are caused by the misfolding of certain proteins. ALS also has this problem of certain proteins that misfold as a consequence. I think of glyphosate substituting for the glycine. So I think that's a common pattern for all of these conditions. And glyphosate is an easy explanation for the misfolding.

So the idea then is that we need the amino acid glycine to create proteins and tissues and all kinds of things in the body, but that in some cases, the glyphosate substitutes for the glycine. Is that a correct understanding?

That's right. It's a mistake. And it's. I was really, I mean, I was completely absorbed. Anthony had suggested this. I think it was December 2014. We had a phone call, very important phone call, in which he said, you know, I think glyphosate is getting into proteins. If I'm mistaken, place of glycine. I immediately rejected the idea. I said, no, that's ridiculous. It can't be happening. So, no, no, no, I really think so. You know, Anthony's a really smart, intuitive chemist. He's got a lot of experience. So I said, well, let me take a look. You know, I'll go take a look and see what I can find. And then once I started looking for proteins that have essential glycine, and I was like, oh, my God, this explains diabetes, this explains obesity. I could find a protein, explain a disease. It was just boom, boom, boom. It just all came together. So we wrote this paper and we have a lot of different sections. And of course, Alzheimer's is one of the things we talk about, the prion proteins in that paper. We just went all around with these various proteins that we found that had glycine dependencies. And what would be the consequence of those getting disrupted by glyphosate. And then here's your correlation with this disease that's going up dramatically in step with glyphosate. One after the other. And there are dozens, I mean, really literally dozens of these proteins that can link to these specific diseases. It is such a beautiful, beautiful scientific story that is unbelievable.

So how does the use of glyphosate impact the environment where it's sprayed on the crops? Does it result in more resistant fungal and mold organisms that then also potentially have other human health implications?

Absolutely. In fact, papers have been written about that. There's a paper that talks about a fungus. Is it aspergillus? I think growing on corn and that glyphosate increases the risk of that. And I mentioned, I think, before about the yeast overgrowth, because the bacteria get killed off in the gut and yeast is a fungus. So it's really. There's actually a paper from Nature, fairly recent, I think, maybe 2015, that talked about extinctions of various species. And there's been an epidemic in extinctions within North America on several different species that are directly connected to fungus infection. So we have. I think it's all connected to glyphosate. Glyphosate is increasing the susceptibility to fungus. And you have, of course, moldy homes. People get sick. People used to be a lot hardier, so they could live in a home where mold was growing. It wasn't a problem. But now, because of this imbalance in our gut microbes, these fungi take off and cause trouble.

So that was kind of my next question, which is, if we look at the broader context of animals in the environment that are exposed to all of this glyphosate, does it seem to have the same negative effects on their health that it does on humans? And does it make wildlife more susceptible to disease as well?

Absolutely. And in fact, one of the people that I've collaborated with is Judy Hoy. She's really a fascinating person who lives in the mountains of Wyoming, I think. Wyoming mountains and next to an area where there's farmland and they're using a lot of glyphosate. And she's been studying the wild animals in her area for decades, and she's been taking lots of photographs of very sheep. She gets animals that got killed. She takes them apart. She looks at their organs. She has found, for example, the thymus gland in newborns, many different animal species. It just looks horrible. She could tell just from looking at it that it's really sick. And in humans, we have very little discussion about the thymus gland. I would love to know what's happening with the thymus gland on human infants. It's a gland that Is important at birth because it's where you develop your immune system through the thymus gland. And it's going to, you know, these immune cells go through there and they kind of decide which ones to die, which ones to live based on their. It's a way of sorting through which ones are too similar to self and you destroy them and the other ones get to live and you get. It forms your immune system and then it fades away. Eventually the thymus kind of disappears as you mature. But the infant has a large thymus gland that is really messed up because she had lots of photos of these clearly disturbed, very sick looking thymus glands and other organs as well. She shows hearts with fatty liver, all kinds of different organs that are in trouble with these animals. Also we have the ckd. I think it is a disease in the deer that's basically like a mad cow disease that is becoming an epidemic. I think that's directly connected, just like the mad cow in the cows to the glyphosate substituting for glycine in certain proteins.

Wow, you were just full of good news today.

It's very, very depressing. How to stay happy.

Yeah, really. So let's move into some of the. What can we do? So what can we do to protect ourselves from exposure to glyphosate? How can we support the body's ability? Detoxify it. What are some effective ways to remove pesticides from the body?

Yeah, and of course, obviously eating an organic diet. Thank God. I mean, I really appreciate that. As much as I bitch about the United States and our lack of regulatory control. We do offer 100% certified organic. That's a pretty good product, I believe. And so I certainly hope that by buying 100% certified organic, you're doing a lot to reduce your glyphosate exposure. And if you are worried about your water supply, like if you think there could be reason why it could be contaminated. If you're living near a bunch of corn fields, for example, you can get your water supply tested. And if it is testing high, you know, there's ways you can put filters in and that's also tricky. You have to get the right kind of filter because not all filters remove glyphosate. So it's ionic. I think particular kind of filter that will work to get rid of most of the glyphosate. And of course it'll also get rid of a lot of other good things. So you have to remineralize your water after you're done and then that's Sort of to reduce your exposure and obviously try to stay away from, you know, glyphosate, contaminated crops and whatnot. But also then to treat, to try to remove the glyphosate. Of course, I recommend eating probiotics because you can need to renew your gut microbes. So you need to fix your gut first before you can become healthy. And so taking probiotics, I especially like sauerkraut and apple cider vinegar. Bragg's organic apple cider vinegar. We try to use that. We use it in our salads. We make our own salad dressing using that and each salad a lot. So that's an easy way to get apple cider vinegar, which has both sauerkraut and apple cider vinegar have acetylbacter in. That is one of the very few microbes that can fully metabolize glyphosate. So not only are you replenishing your gut microbes, but you're also providing microbes that can clear the glyphosate through those probiotics. Also, things like bentonite clay, fulvic acid, and humic acid, which is organic matter from the soil, can grab hold of the glyphosate and pull it out through the feces. So that's another way to help to remove it. It's a very slow and painful process to get rid of it because it goes into the bone marrow and. And it's extremely difficult to get it out once it's in the bone marrow, once it's in the proteins, Very, very slow process to get it out.

So what I just learned that was exciting was the apple cider vinegar piece, which I hadn't heard before. So it sounds like incorporating apple cider vinegar, even if you just take a shot and do it orally, potentially is helpful here, which is exciting news to me.

Yes, I think so.

Yeah. That's great. So what about other products? I know we both were at a conference a couple years ago where there was some talk about Restore, Dr. Zach Bush's work. Do we feel like that's potentially helpful in mitigating some of this damage to the gut from exposure to glyphosate? And are there any other specific products or tools that you've come across?

I think Restore is a good product, and I know people who have used it and have been very pleased with it. Zen Honeycutt in particular, who's the founder of Moms Across America, and she's used it on her children who have a lot of allergy problems and has found that it has been Very helpful. It makes sense because it has the things in it that you would want to see. The minerals, the fulvic acid, the humic acid. He's very careful to source his soil from very healthy soil because of course, that's another issue. If you grab it from soil that's been exposed to glyphosate, then you could have glyphosate in the product that you're taking to try to. That's one thing I've really started to get worried about is glyphosate in products. And I should mention, for example, tampons and cotton gauze, sterile cotton gauze. A study in, I think out of Australia, out of Argentina, South America, they tested glyphosate in various cotton products and found it in something like 86% of the products that they tested, including tampons. And this makes me wonder about a syndrome that's also going up dramatically in recent times, which is polycystic ovary syndrome. Young women are getting this in epidemic numbers. And I am wondering, I don't have, I haven't crossed the t's dotted the I's on this one, but I just suspect that that could be caused by glyphosate in the tampons.

So as more people wake up to glyphosate and its use is potentially restricted, more and more, do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing? Meaning does the next thing that comes along to replace it, is that potentially better for us or is it potentially even worse?

You've probably been hearing about dicamba, have you? You know, there's like this incredible mess because so they now have a new GMO. They've been rolling out new GMOs that are glyphosate plus, which is really terrifying to me. Glyphosate plus 2,4D. So GMO is to resist both glyphosate and 2,4D in the same seed. And. And then they've got glyphosate plus dicamba. That's this new one that they just this last year, maybe the last two years, I think people started buying it and people started using dicamba on it. And of course what happened was the dicamba drifted over to the neighbors farm who didn't have the dicamba resistant seed and killed this crop. And so we've got all kinds of lawsuits going on in the Midwest by farmers complaining that their neighbors exposed their crop to dicamba and they suffered significant losses. And so, you know, this is just the crop. But, you know, now we think about dicamba plus glyphosate in the food. 2, 4D plus glyphosate in the food. What's that gonna do? A whole new set of experiments to be done. Are we just gonna wait another 40 years to see what kind of horrible diseases come along? Because we're gonna get a whole different set. Glufosinate is an interesting one too. And now they've got glufosinate resistant soy. Glufosinate is actually a natural amino acid analog of glutamate. So it has the same principle as glyphosate does as far as substituting for an amino acid during protein synthesis, but it's glutamate instead of glycine. So that's going to be a whole different set of proteins that are going to stop working in a whole different set of diseases. One of which I suspect is microcephaly. So we can look forward to all kinds of new exotic diseases coming along down the path.

Yeah, very, very interesting. I had heard that as well with the microcephaly, that there was so much conversation around Zika and the thought that the Zika was probably not the issue, but that in that area where, and I don't remember if it was Brazil.

Northeast Brazil, I studied it deeply, actually. I've given talks on this because there is so much toxicity there, it's unbelievable. In the area where they're having the microcephalcephaly problem, which is really restricted to northeast Brazil, which is kind of odd because Zika is not restricted to that, you know.

Right. And that was my understanding as well that Zika virus is in other places where the microcephaly did not seem to happen.

Right, exactly.

Right, yeah. So interesting. So we could probably have a whole separate show on this, but I just wanted you to kind of touch on the sulfate deficiency issue. So what is sulfate deficiency? How is sulfate different from sulfur? Why is it important from a health perspective? And then is there some connection to the whole glyphosate discussion?

Terrific question. And actually, sulfate is really kind of where I started in my research. When I started looking at autism, it had been suspected that the autistic kids were suffering from a sulfate deficiency problem. They were actually wasting sulfate in their urine and they had low levels, like one quarter of the level of free sulfate in their blood compared to non autistic controls. And so I started really looking into sulfate and its roles in the body. And I got really, really fascinated with it because people don't realize how important sulfate is and also how tricky it is to transport and to deliver. And so. And sulfate has very interesting properties in terms of gelling water, which makes it terrific in certain places where it's needed to maintain gelled water in the cells. But it makes it a huge problem if you just have free sulfate in the blood. It can gel the blood. So the body has all these sophisticated mechanisms of transporting it, which amounts to attaching it to various interesting molecules that will prevent it from gelling the blood in transit. And so all these sterols like cholesterol and vitamin D and all the sex hormones, testosterone and androgen and estrogen, and also this whole class of these neurotransmitters, serotonin, melatonin, dopamine, all of those are sulfated in transit. And people think that they're sulfated in order to inactivate them, which is probably true. But the part people don't realize is that they actually deliver the sulfate. So when they arrive at a destination, they drop off the sulfate into the extracellular matrix, and then they're taken up by the cell and they do whatever they do in terms of activating different pathways because they're all interesting, you know, biologically active molecules. But the. All of those, those, both of those classes, those, all those neurotransmitters come from the shikimate pathway, which glyphosate disrupts. And glyphosate disrupts the whole sulfation pathway as well. In the liver, it prevents the, as I mentioned, the tylenol, it disrupts the ability to sulfate these molecules, ability to transfer the sulfate from one molecule to another, and the ability to synthesize the sulfate. All of those, as far as I can tell, when I look at various enzymes that are glycine dependent, for example, sulfite oxidase, which is going to produce the sulfate enos in the skin, which produces sulfate in response to sunlight. These are all disrupted by glyphosate. So the sulfate and also vitamin D activation is disrupted by glyphosate through the CYP enzyme disruption. Vitamin D in the kidney protects from sulfate loss through the urine. So we have an epidemic in vitamin D deficiency, which is also linked to autism, and vitamin D deficiency, will lead to sulfate deficiency because the sulfate will get lost through the urine as a consequence of the lack of vitamin D. So it's a complicated story with a lot of threads, but it all points to a severe sulfate deficiency, which I think is behind most of the diseases that are going up.

Wow. So if we are Sulfate deficient. Are there certain foods or supplements that we should explore? I've heard some people talk about potentially Epsom salt baths to get the magnesium sulfate. Are there specific waters? I've even heard some people talk about collagen. So do any of those make sense in trying to provide the body with additional sulfate?

Yes, I think so. And in fact, just generally eating sulfur containing foods. I didn't say what sulfate was compared to sulfur. Sulfur is the actual mineral. It's one of the periodic chart atoms. You know, if the periodic chart sulfate is sulfur plus four oxygen molecules plus a negative two charge. So it's a sulfur atom bound to four oxygen atoms. So to make sulfate from sulfur, you have to oxidize it. And that's where I think you're getting inflammatory responses which are producing superoxide, which can oxidize sulfur. So I think all of these inflammation that we're seeing in the joints and whatnot. I just wrote a paper about gout, and it's really interesting because when you look at what's going on in the gouty joint where you have this toe that's like inflamed and you're agony over the pain, it's actually everything that it's doing is geared towards producing sulfate and attaching it to cholesterol and shipping it out as cholesterol sulfate to supply it to the body. So I think that these various rheumatoid arthritis, for example, or even Alzheimer's, all of these conditions have to do with stealing sulfate. If you look at the. The myelin basic protein getting eroded. Myelin basic protein has a lot of cysteines in it, and cysteine is a really good precursor to sulfate. So the body is eroding certain tissues in order to supply sulfate to the blood, because if the blood doesn't have enough sulfate, you're dead. The blood won't circulate. And this is the hard problem that the body faces. And different people's genetics will solve the problem. And depending upon what microbes you're exposed to, what foods you're eating, you solve the problem different ways. But everybody gets sick in different ways with inflammation in some place.

So Epsom salt baths potentially helps.

Absolutely. Excellent. I took an Epsom salt bath last night. So I frequently take Epsom salt baths. I really like that, because that's just getting sulfate right through the skin. It can be difficult. Some people have a sulfur sensitivity in the gut. Like they're sensitive to sulfites, for example, And I think that's because of the disrupted sulfite oxidase that glyphosate is disrupting sulfite is very toxic. Sulfite oxidase will convert it to sulfate. But if it's not working, then you have to be very careful not to get too many. Sulfites can cause disruption of the gut.

And is it true that collagen potentially also provides sulfate?

I have not. I'm not. I don't know. That may be true. It may be true. And I will look it up after we get off.

Off.

But I don't know. You've heard that.

I guess somehow in preparing for this show, I had come across collagen mentioned in this whole sulfate discussion.

Collagen provides a lot of jello, a lot of glycine. It's a protein. But now it could be that it's bound to sulfated glycosaminoglycans, things like chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine sulfate. So there's a supplement you can buy that's a combination of msn, methylsylvanomethane, that's a good source of sulfur, chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine sulfate. And that may be a very good source of sulfur. Garlic is a wonderful source of sulfur. I try to eat as much garlic as I can. Garlic and onions are both good sources of sulfur that can be converted into sulfate. And also organ meats, grass fed beef, all kinds of seafood, all the seafoods and organic eggs. Those are all fantastic sources of sulfur.

Very good. Excellent. So we've heard a few of the things you talked about. The bone soup, the Epsom salt baths. What are some of the key things that you do to continue to support your health and obviously keep your brain working so well?

Yeah, I eat a very healthy diet and I must say, partly or mainly thanking my husband for being such a good cook. He's Chinese and we eat a lot of Chinese food, stir fried, all organic with, you know, meat stirred with the fresh vegetables is a sort of typical with, with all kinds of interesting sauces and whatnot. And he's got a. He's got a webpage, actually. Victorsrecipes.com oh, cool. Yeah, some of his recipes are there. We're trying to add more, but. And so we eat a very whole foods diet. We buy very few foods aren't whole foods. And actually a lot of seafood too. So we like clams and oysters and scallops and shrimp, all of those very healthy foods for the sulfur and also for the cholesterol, which is interesting because people often are trying to avoid cholesterol. And I think dietary cholesterol is very important. And high quality fats, which I think of as saturated fats. We use lard for cooking oil, which may surprise people. Organic lard. I don't like any of the. Of course, I wouldn't buy the GMO canola oil or the GMO soybean oil. Those are horrible. Don't use those if you don't like to use animal based products. Coconut oil is a good choice for cooking. And we do have coconut oil as well. And butter is great too. Organic butter. So I like all of those saturated oils that have high levels of saturated fat. Organic and, you know, organic cold pressed coconut oil. Very, very good.

Excellent. And what I also heard you say, which is another important thing, just so people kind of underscore it, is that cholesterol is not necessarily bad, that cholesterol can actually be a good thing.

Oh, absolutely. I think it's absolutely essential. And of course, I hate the statin drugs. I think that they're doing way more harm than good. And it's just crazy how they've managed to keep that myth alive that it's a good idea to take a statin drug for the rest of your life just because your cholesterol is a little higher than they think is good. And cholesterol, I think, is high because of glyphosate, because glyphosate disrupts the body's ability to produce bile acids. And so then you have to produce. The liver can't push the fats. It wants to push the cholesterol out through the bile acids. But because the liver disrupts the cytochrome P450 enzymes instead, it's forced to either produce a fatty liver, so we have an epidemic in fatty liver disease. Or produce a high level of LDL because it has to push the fats and cholesterols out as LDL particles instead of sending them back to the gut in the bile acids.

Wow. So much information to take in from today's show. I thank you for being here. I think the world has a number of health conditions and challenges and illnesses that are significant and significantly impact people's lives. We obviously don't have answers for many of them. And I appreciate people like you that are looking for answers, that are searching, that are bravely speaking out in the face of influences, that maybe don't want some of these things discussed. And so I honor you and I thank you for the work that you do and just appreciate you so, so much.

Well, thank you so much and I certainly appreciate your efforts to get the message out by producing products like this one. I hope that people will watch it and learn from it and change their life too, and tell their friends about glyphosate and how important it is to switch to organic food.

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