The Truth About Sunlight: Quantum Biology, Melanin, and How Nature Powers Our Bodies

Foreign. Welcome to the Full Circle Healing Podcast where we merge modern cutting edge science with traditional healing wisdom and everything in between to help you come full circle back to your original natural state of health and well being. I'm your host, Michael, and over the last 15 years I've helped hundreds of thousands of people find the information, practices, tools, resources and experts they needed to find their way back to optimal health. Our guest in this episode is our friend and a super fun and interesting guest, Carrie Bennett. With multiple degrees in biology, nutrition and body work, Carrie's relentless enthusiasm to learn has made her one of the leading educators in the emerging field of quantum biology. She combines deep research and clear explanations of the complex quantum mechanisms at play in the human body to teach us how to use light, water and nature to thrive. Carrie's a sought after speaker and guest lecturer and she currently sees clients in her online practice. She's also the lead faculty member and on the board of advisors for the Quantum Biology Collective, the world's premier certification for applied quantum biology and clinical practice. In this fascinating episode, you will learn that the sun is not our enemy, where we went wrong on that story, and how chronic use of sunglasses, sunscreen and avoidance is actually contributing to a host of health problems. The truth about Melanin and Skin cancer and it's definitely not what you think, that we are actually electrical beings that derive energy both directly and indirectly from the sun. Very similar to plants in a lot of ways that there used to be helio therapy centers in Switzerland and other places that used sunlight to reverse over 120 different diseases. And all about easy water, which is maybe a new concept for a lot of people out there and what it does, how it's essential to our health and cellular functioning, what depletes it and how to increase it naturally. And we're going to talk about so much more. It's a real ping pong add type conversation because I get so excited about this topic that I just bring up a lot of things for her. So this is another one of my favorite topics. Something that needs a ton more attention. So if you take a deeper dive, if you want to take a deeper dive, head over to RebelHealth Co Quantum and check out all Carrie's training programs which are all pay what you can because she's so passionate about getting this information out there. So there's no financial barrier. Pay what you can and there's really, really cool courses there for you. You can take a deep dive into this information. But let's get started with Carrie now. Hey Carrie, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having me, Michael. I'm excited to chat.

Yeah, it's going to be fun. This is one of my favorite topics and I find myself saying that a lot, but I think that just means I have cool guests. Yesterday I interviewed, we were talking before we went on air. I interviewed Dr. Kathleen King and we both love her. And I get to have these super fun conversations with really interesting people doing really interesting stuff. And if you're watching this, you see Carrie's glasses, which are going to be. I feel self conscious. I have mine in a case on the shelf and I'm talking to the circadian person and I'm not wearing them, but it is the middle of the day, so a little bit not as bad, but I should have got them out. And we're going to talk about circadian rhythms. We're going to talk about quantum biology. We're going to talk, talk about light. I don't know if using the word nutrient is the right terminology, but definitely a factor in health. And it's fascinating, fascinating stuff. So before we get into it deeply, I'm going to ask just a few basic questions because I think even in health conscious circles, this is still just starting to get out there, this information, unfortunately. And I love having you on the show because our audience is made up of a lot of people who have chronic health issues who are doing all the things and some of them are not seeing the results. And by all the things, I mean the diets, the supplements, the protocols, the things. And maybe it moves the needle some, but there's missing pieces to their puzzle. And I think that this is one of the big ones. So what does quantum biology mean? Let's start there.

Yeah, sure. I think we know what biology means, right? Biology is just essentially how the body, the living system of the body, how it operates. And quantum is a word that can, maybe we've heard of it in a lot of different ways. But when I say the word quantum in relation to quantum biology, I just mean that we now know enough about how the body operates at a very, very small scale to influence it for health. So we all know the body is made up of a bunch of organs. Those organs are made of cells. Those cells have molecules and atoms, and all of those are made up of basically waves of energy that organize themselves as electrons, protons, those sorts of things. And so we now know enough. That's the quantum scale. Once we get to that level of wave energy, that's the quantum scale. We now know enough about the human body and how it operates at that scale to influence it for human health. And as you alluded to, understanding light and how it impacts us is a primary way that quantum biology really is how operate. So we could influence it at that scale.

So we're kind of like plants.

We are completely like plants, except we can move. That's why we develop fat stores. Listen.

Interesting, right?

We had to be able to take some energy with us because we weren't plugged in all the time, right, to the source of nutrients. So we had to have a means of taking it with us. But we're very much like plants in needing the, the soil. Right. We need the nutrients, but we also need the light. And the light's a huge missing piece. And that a lot of us even in the functional world are not understanding but are becoming more appreciative of.

Yeah, yeah, it's, it was total fringe. Like 10 years ago when I first heard about it. It was like lunatics and wackadoos talking about that. And now it's not. And now I've met enough people who personally said like this was game changing for me. This. And I'm starting to understand it. My little peanut non quantum mind is starting to be able to wrap my mind around it. Because when you admittedly, when you go from organs to cells and then from cells to like atoms or molecules, my brain goes, I don't understand how to picture that. I don't know what that looks like. Like what is a cell? Because you see these drawings of cells in like anatomy. I have a master's in physiology. So I saw these cellular drawings. They have a solid wall, they have solid things inside of them that are the organelles. It doesn't show atoms, it doesn't show protons, electrons. Like it doesn't exist in those pictures. So my brain scrambles. But I've watched enough quantum physics videos on accident on YouTube and then got sucked into them and then thought, this is so cool. And then I went to go try to explain it to someone and like garbled nonsense came out because I didn't understand it. But we're talking about that the tiny little molecules, like particles that make up everything. And it's waves of light essentially like you said, right.

Organized waves of energy.

And that's that sound that's physical things. That's literally everything is just organized waves of energy out. There's like not smoking pot right now and doesn't just click right into that. Let's talk a little bit more about like what that means in a, in a Real like functional way. So let's start with the sun is bad because that is what I just got back from the beach, right? Like I was just in Sardinia, I live in Italy and I was just in Sardinia for a week. And they were the northern European sun phobic and American and Brits, they have lighter skin. So in their defense they will burn. But I've learned from your posts and others who talk about a lot of whys they will burn other than their skin skin tone. And you could see the sun phobic people who were like covered in paste from the second they arrive at the beach. And then you see the Italians who I'm a little tan right now for people who are watching the video. But there are people here who are brown, who don't have brown skin naturally, who by the end of the summer are brown. And they're not, they're out in the sun. They go in the sun, they're in there in the morning. And so there's this cultural sun fear that exists. And in the health space, if the sun touches you, you will get skin cancer. Right? So can you just talk around that nonsense and explain maybe a little of like where that idea came from or like how that even came about, if you know or like what the truth is. Let's vindicate the sun.

Yeah, sure. So you know, first and foremost, the sun has literally been around since creation has ever existed, right? And so to somehow assume that it is, we need to villainize it and shield ourselves from it and it's out to get us. That is a complete misnomer. It's a complete lie. What humans have done is misused the sun and we can talk about the ways that we've misused the sun. So then, yes, you may have burned from the sun, but that's your misuse. That's not the sun's fault. And the place where this really diverged, I mean the sun was worshipped for millennia, right. In terms of its life affirming energies. And so, you know, it was still actually viewed in quite a high, high steam. Around the mid late 1800s. You had a lot of heliotherapy clinics or clinics that used sunlight popping up in places like Switzerland, high up in the mountains, right? So as you go higher up into the mountains, the sunlight gets even more intense. And so these forward thinking physicians at the time said, well, these people are weak, they're lacking energy, they've got expressions of disease. Let's see if we can get them into an environment that has a high energy, a high solar yield. It would be called. And so they would slowly and gradually take their patients and wheel them out into the full spectrum light, and then wheel them in and gradually and progressively expose more and more of their body for longer and longer periods of time to this really intense light. And they literally healed over 120 different disease diagnoses. And so thousands of people would flock to these heliotherapy clinics for this. At the same time, more closer to the early 1900s, you had researchers in a lab who would be able to isolate cell tissue cultures. So like little slabs of cells right in a petri dish. And these researchers were shining a welder's arc. Can you picture that really bright, intense arc that people would weld with? That's a really intense ultraviolet source. They would shine that welder's lamp at the cells, and then they would assess the cells and they would see tissue damage and DNA mutations. And so that group of researchers started to say, but look, ultraviolet light causes cancer. It damages your DNA. We need to protect ourselves from it. And so I don'. But that's nowhere near close to an apples to oranges comparison. But you can imagine which group ultimately got more funding and won out in terms of being able to publicize their story. And now that's why we villainize the sun. That's why sunscreen came about. That's why sunglasses came about. And, you know, we're just starting to come out of that. But there was a massive group of doctors actually healing people using sunlight.

So don't blast yourself with a welder's tool.

Correct. I would. I would always say protect yourself.

That's so, like, you can take that story. And there's so many other ones that are similar in different areas of health, quote, research or like, how did we get here? I asked that. How did we get here? Question quite a bit. When I interview people with different specialties and there's always some sort of, like, nonsensical bullshit thing that happened, like some twisted, like, thing. And then everyone runs with it. And so I was. I knew there had to be one here. We didn't rehearse that. Like, I didn't know that ahead lifetime. I just knew there had to be like a. Some nonsense that happened. And then everyone's like, look at that. Let's make the sun bad so we can sell a thing so that you could put on you to protect you from the bad thing. So let's talk about. You mentioned sunglasses, and you mentioned gradually exposing more parts of their body gradually for longer periods of time and more exposure. I'VE recently learned two things from your content. And I follow a doctor, I forget his name on Instagram, but there's a doctor who talks a lot about circadian stuff now. And I learned one, I'm going to butcher this. So I'm telling you what I learned so that you can correct it and explain it in real terms. One is that sunglasses make us burn more because there's light that's not getting in our eyes, that doesn't signal our body to tell it that it's outside. And so then it doesn't make things that protect you from burning. And two, going outside in the morning and having morning sunlight on your skin also tells your body that there's sun and makes you make things that make you get less burned. And part of the reason that we get super burned, especially northern Europeans, Americans, Brits that I see on the beach here, they're always wearing sunglasses. They don't go outside at all. And then they go to the beach at noon and stay exposed for three straight hours. So that ball, did I get any of that right?

You got so much of that right. And so if you want me to dive into that more, I absolutely can. Yes, please.

Yeah. Because I find it fascinating. I was preaching it in Sardinia to people.

No, I mean, yeah, you're absolutely right. So here's the deal, right? We have these axes of communication in the body. I think the most, some common ones are like the gut brain axis that people hear about. And so that we've got these pathways of communication, but one that people don't realize exists is a connection between the eyes, which are brain tissue. They're specialized brain tissue. They're an extension of the brain. So the eye essentially brain and sense skin axis. And when we allow all of those, when we allow the signals that the eye receives, meaning the light frequencies in our environment that the eye perceives to match up with the light frequencies striking the skin, the brain can say. And locally at the skin, we can start to upregulate processes that help us tan and that we build our own, literally our own endogenous sun protection factors, things like urocainic acid. And so when we allow that to happen, the body understands what it needs to do. Because. Because, yes, that light is intense. Each person, based on the amount of melanin we have in our skin, can handle so much of that intense light at any given session. But if we allow the built in pathways to do their thing, the body will naturally put on the urochanic acid in the skin layer, build a tan that's more melanin. And then at some point, if the skin says, oh, this is a really intense light, you need to pull yourself out into the shade. We get a slight warming or pinkening effect. That would be not a sunburn. Right. Right there. That would be just a gentle histamine production that is like that, that pinketting effect, right.

That we would use like, hey, this is enough. Get out of here, get the heck out.

But his, that histamine can get cleared, right? So that person who sees that sun signal and then throws on, let's say, you know, a linen coverup or something, or goes into the shade, that individual. Then the next morning they're not like, oh, oh, I'm fried, right? It's like, that's completely gone. And there they've laid down a tan. They can repeat and do it again. But when we wear those sungl, they block all. They block the vast 99% of the ultraviolet light gets blocked. Can you imagine if the eye says it's not only there's no ultraviolet light, but it's dark because you have the darkening effect of the sunglasses. So basically they're telling the brain it's nighttime. It's nighttime because there's no ultraviolet light. It's dark now. So you don't have to worry about any skin protection mechanisms where the skin is saying, yowsers, help us out. We gotta sync this up. That's when you're gonna bur. And I used to be that person who burned. I used to be really sun sensitive or so I thought. So I always protected my eyes because I couldn't handle the brightness. And then, you know, I would go out and I would misuse it in another way. When I'm gonna talk about it, you can picture typical American, you know, fourth of July barbecue. I would totally misuse it. I would, I would go out there and I would fry. And I was like, oh, I'm just one of those skin types. Yeah. Like to a crisp, like, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where the next four days of your life are hell.

I've been, yeah. It's like, don't touch me, don't hug me, don't touch me, don't hug. And now I don't burn anymore. It's beautiful. It's amazing. I lay down a nice tan, I don't burn anymore. And so here's the other thing. It's the human behavior also that's in this. So not only are we wearing sunglasses, we're also, as you said, not adapting slowly and gradually to the intensity of sunlight, which we can do on a daily basis being outside in the morning light first, because those morning wavelengths of light actually do not contain any ultraviolet. They contain a massive AM of red and near infrared and infrared. And those wavelengths are soothing to the skin. They build more what we might talk about as this beautiful exclusion zone or charged water inside of our bodies that actually can act as a bit of a buffer. And it preconditions the skin to say, okay, we feel now that there's. The wavelengths in. These wavelengths are intensifying. And then all of a sudden, ultraviolet light appears when the sun's 10 degrees above the horizon. And that, that, that again, it's just a little blip of ultraviolet that also gradually increases so the body can slowly.

Hold on one second. If I can, for frame of reference around what time. And I know that's different at different latitudes. Like, I know that'd be different or at the equator than it is in Michigan, for example. But, like, are we talking ultraviolet kicking in around like 8am or 10am or like, what's like a rough ballpark figure?

Let's say. Let's say approximately. And it changes again, time of year, location, but let's say approximately 90 minutes to two hours.

Let's talk summer, since this is when people will generally be afraid of this.

Sure. So about, you know, about an hour and a half or so after sunrise, depending on.

Okay, so then it'll gradually start. Some UV will gradually start coming in.

It gradually layers itself on. Right. And then ultimately in the middle of the day. Yeah, you've got all the frequencies there. It's really intense. But that's what we do. Like, so the typical person in. At least where I live in Michigan, we will stay indoors all March, all April and most of May because it's too cold or maybe it's a little cloudy or, you know, it's not yet. It's not warm enough ago.

So I was basically a neighbor. And it's the same way there. Everyone stays inside until that first day where it's like six Memorial Day. Right.

When you're like, oh, I'm gonna go to that barbecue on Memorial Day.

End of May burns the hell out of themselves.

Yeah, everyone burns the hell out of themselves because they've not. They literally had months to adapt. And not only are they, like out at that barbecue at, you know, noon, so they didn't adapt in the morning at all. But now they have to adapt.

Seasonal adaptation.

There's really is. And we're not talking about. You have to do this every day, but literally a couple times a week, expose your body for 20 minutes and make sure your eyes get the correct signaling. You actually can signal through the eyes in the morning that about the light changing as well. And so it doesn't have to be on the skit. And then you can go outside in the afternoon and just be aware of those sun signals that I was talking about earlier. But we completely misuse it. And then, of course, it just perpetuates the myth that the sun is out to get us because we've misused it.

So we hide in the dark for seven months and then go outside for nine hours in one day. Yeah, I get it. And I have always kind of tanned and not burned a lot because I grew up with a small backyard, like above ground pool in the Midwest, which everybody. A lot of people have the little 21 footer. But I would go out there like in the morning and I would live in the thing. So I would get all the sun, the morning sun exposure. I would get the whole summer buildup. I would get the everything. And then I bought an expensive pair of sunglasses when I was 16. This is like a good thing that happened to me that I thought was a bad thing for a long time. I bought it and I spent all the money I had on this fancy pair of Oakley sunglasses when I was 16. I lost them two days later. I lost them two days later. And I was so pissed that I lost them that I said, I'm never going to wear sunglasses again. And I didn't. I haven't worn sunglasses one time since 1996. And I have blue eyes. So everybody tells me I'm going to go blind because of the sun. And I'm so sensitive to the light. And so I haven't worn sunglasses in almost. I don't want to say how many years ago that was because it's shocking, but a lot of years ago, because 1996 was like 10 years ago in my head and it wasn't so, man, Foo Fighters was on the oldies station here the other day.

Hi.

So I don't want to talk about it, but it was on right after, like Led Zeppelin. And I'm like, oh, my God, what happened? So what happened with Atlantis? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that too. So I tanned a lot. And I've never had lots of. I've never had eye block with the, with the glasses, but it was all on accident. Like, I didn't know any of that. But that's. That's why. And when we were just at the beach this last week I went, we went, we got there at 9 because we have a small child and we wanted to one avoid the like hottest time of the sun and to get a spot because the beaches there get insane. So we would get there at like 9 and we would stay till like 12:31 o' clock. Ish. And I would be in the sun the whole time. I'd never. I put sunscreen on one day on my nose by like the fourth day because it started to burn a little bit by like the fourth day because the angle was at the north. It was always like in the water. It was always like that, the perfect angle right on my nose. But it took four days of five hours a day straight to start to burn. And then I put a tiny bit on my nose. Other than that I didn't burn at all. I got really tan. And other people I was with were loading like other people around were loading on sunscreen and stuff. And I guess, is there something to sunscreen too? Like you mentioned, the eyes don't get the signal. And if you're inside, the skin doesn't get the signal. But what if you're outside? Like what does most sunscreen actually block and what does that do to the signaling?

Well, it concentrates the blue light, right? And so it does block the ultraviolet, which so you won't actually, in order to develop a sunburn in the first place or an erythema response in the first place, that pinkening, the ultraviolet light has to strike the skin. But what it's doing is it's blocking the ultraviolet. But the really intense amount of blue, that is that now people are coming to terms with how damaging that is to have isolating a blue wavelength, the really dominant blue wavelength, that really intense blue is actually penetrating even deeper. So there is so much research now, this is funny, right? Because there's so much research now, not even to talk about the chemicals in the sunscreen, but there's so much.

That's a whole nother. I've talked about that with Laura Adler, who does toxin education, and she goes on a rant about, about smearing poison all over your body. So we can refer people to that. Let's skip the poison aspect of it and just talk about the functionality.

Well, the funny thing now is that the research that used to be all about villainizing UV light, now they're actually studying, they're like, oh, but wait, this is not really telling our story. So now they're doing research on what's called hev, high energy visible light. You'll see it as heave or he vis. In the research they're talking about blue light. They're talking about, oh, maybe high intensity blue light. Isolating it and targeting it to the skin is causing skin cancer. And we're talking not only because of sunscreen use, but we're talking about it because of what all of our lighting environments are like indoors as well, right? Oh, maybe it's causing macular degeneration. Right, right, exactly. So it's, it's funny. I mean it's not magic, but you.

Have to laugh at it because it's, it's, it's so absurd. It's like when this is a little off topic, but I've noticed this trend, like in modern times you always think that what people used to think was true is silly. Like, like from like Roman mythology. Like people might, you know, like Roman mythology was their religion. Like that was their religion. They didn't think it was silly. But to people now it's like a silly story or, or lobotomy, like cutting out parts of people's brain or I don't know, take xyz examples of insane things that you can read about. To us now, we think it's totally absurd and silly, this whole thing with hiding from the sun and wearing sunscreen and blaming cancer on the sun and not the things we're putting on our skin and not like the lights that we've made and all. At some point enough people are going to understand this beyond like the scientists who are honestly looking at it right now. And I think it's going to be one of those things that's like just like don't eat carbohydrates or don't eat any fat or don't eat whatever today's like hardcore trend diet is or you know, like I could pick out a bunch of them that have even evolved and are window here. But I think this is going to be one of those things where at some point educated people are going to look back on this and be like, oh man, we screwed this up. And you know, like, how did we get here? Because I looked it up after I was at the beach and I saw these brown Italians. I was like, what's the skin cancer rate in Italy versus the United States? It's higher in the United States and there are way less brown people who stand outside in the sun all day. Like way less. Like the beach culture here in the outside in the sun in the summer culture is like that's their jam. Like that's what they do. And they should. And they. More of them smoke too, and they have less cancer. And I'm not advocating smoking. I'm just saying, like they should be dropping like flies. And the rate of skin cancer and other chronic disease related to that stuff is much higher in the United States, where everybody's afraid of rate of the sun.

Well, even. Even more mind blowing. There was a really great research article done. Now this is a Swedish cohort where they looked at people who had diagnosed melanoma and those who got more sunlight post diagnosis had better survival rates.

So if that's the thing that's causing it, you would think it wouldn't also be the thing that gave you better survival rates. So we're looking at melanoma. So what in. In according to like, let's play in reality now of how the sun and our body actually works, there is a pretty significant increase in melanoma in the last, I don't know how many years. You want to go back since the Industrial Revolution, some sort of astronomical increase in melanoma. So what is the real reasoning or mechanisms or why would that actually be happening? Based on what you know about light and the skin and I mean, I'm sure you've read stuff or, you know, I mean, there's.

It's not just melanoma. You look at so many aspects, and this actually brings about a really interesting topic on light, about melanin and how melanin gives us free energy. And it's this. And so it's not just melanoma, right? Which is a deposition of melanin, a darker deposition of melanin in an isolated area. You also have vitiligo, the opposite, which is where you have patches of the melanin. Exactly. The light patches. You also have diseases like Parkinson's disease disease, which has. There's melanin in our brain, right? And you've got disruption in the melanin in our brain. And so, so much of what I see when I look at these things, I don't ever look out at them as an isolated disease. I look at what are the, what are the commonalities, what am I seeing? And I'm seeing how melanin does not do its job anymore or melanin function goes awry because the wrong signals are being sent to the body. So what does melanin do for us? Melanin actually it literally gives us free energy. Micha. When melanin is in our bodies, either on our skin or deeper inside of us, every melanin molecule is surrounded by a shell of water and that melanin. The reason why melanin is dark and can get to be a very, very dark pigment Is because it absorbs light. Things that are light reflect light. Right. So it absorbs light. And as it absorbs that light, it literally gives the energy for melanin to split a water molecule. And when a water molecule molecule splits, what's the first step in photosynthesis in plants? Absorbing light and splitting a water molecule. We literally absorb light and split water molecules. And then the energy from that split water molecule, those are electrons that actually can then fuel our physiology. Because part of understanding our quantum bodies is that at that small scale, we're full of what would be called negative charge. Right. We're full of these electrons have that negative charge. We're full of negative charge.

We're talking on a smaller scale than ATP. Like, we're talking on what. What gives the energy to the cells that make the ATP. Because everyone knows ATP for like, cellular energy and the mitochondria use ATP.

That's another myth. That's another myth. We have to dispel that myth as well. And we can. What cells run on is adequate negative charge, adequate electricity. We're electrical in nature in a very. In a very. I mean, there's so much of our bodies and our physiologies that you could compare to electronic devices. And I actually think most electronic devices engineering of what's happening happening in the human body. And so if a. If a device doesn't have adequate electricity flowing through it, it does not operate. If a cell does not have that electricity or negative charge, it literally starts to shut down tasks. It's like when a cell phone drains of its battery to a certain threshold, and all of a sudden it goes.

Dim and it blocks half the apps it doesn't do.

Exactly. You can click battery saving mode and maybe you can make an emergency fund phone call and call mom.

You know, I mean like black and white. Yeah. Then your phone sucks. So it's like when you don't have the energy, like, the cells do the same thing, right. Like, so it doesn't have this negative charge.

And going back to the cancer story, When a cell doesn't have what Dr. Pollock has discovered and other research has. Dr. Pollock is a prominent researcher in the world of water, Right. He's at University of Washington. Yeah, yeah. Great. Great dude who under. Has a beautiful multidisciplinary understanding of the body.

Four phase of water is his book, Right?

Four days of water is one of his books. Yeah, Great book.

And so it was over my head, but I read it.

Just look at the pictures too and read the captions I tell people, because that tells a lot as well. And so you're. So what we, what he found is that the water inside of the cell holds that negative charge for us. Right? So if we have the appropriate charge in this water, then all of a sudden the cell can run all of its operations just like a cell phone battery. That's as that cell drains of that negative charge or drains which would be draining this water, the cell gets the signal to divide uncontrollably. What is that? That's cancer. Right. So regardless of where it's happening, whether it's on the skin, whether it's in the body, it's an area that is lacking in charge. What's a smart way to bring, try to bring charge back to a depleted area? Well, let's put a heck of a lot more melon in there in order to hopefully absorb more light and reestablish healthy energy in the T is my hypothesis as to why people who have these melanomas and do get more sun exposure actually survive longer, better even heal from these diagnoses because they're reestablishing that negative charge, that healthy energy in an area that's deficient.

That is fascinating and I'm going to listen to it three or four times on recording to grasp it. But it is, it makes sense. The way you explain it makes sense. I've also read the, the not junior version of it and it's like really in depth biochemistry. But it's the same thing with like other topics too, the microbiome, all these kind of things. You can, you can look at it and it's like mind blowing how complex our physiology is. Like, it's, it's, it's insane. It's completely insane. And then you can explain the concepts in a really simple way and be like, oh, we're plants, so. And then there's an in between. What you just did was the in between. So I know that the term for the water that holds the charge in the cells is easy water. At least that's the term I see you and others use. So I think a good tip to give out or this would be a good topic to kind of wrap things up with. We've been a little bit all over the place, but I think it's all linked and relative and I think these are all things that people need to hear and understand because it like challenges. When I heard that sunglasses make people sunburn more that was like the front of the. It was one of those sliders on the Instagram that got my attention because I was like, I knew that that would be bad. Like, I knew that there'd be a reason why. Blocking the sun from the eyes and let me see how it is. And it, like, changed my whole way of seeing it in a. In a very beneficial way. And, like, I think each one of these little things we're jumping to is like one of those aha moments for people. So it's fine that we're having conversational add, but the easy water is super important. And this is a topic that I see you talk about a lot. I see anybody who teaches this quantum biolog and circadian stuff talk about this. And this is the water that holds the negative charge in the cell. To oversimplify it, how. Why do we have less of that? If we're like, what makes us have less of that? And what makes us have more of that? Could be my caveman way of asking.

It's a great question, right? So essentially, if this is so important for the function of my body, why are we draining it and what can charge it back up? And the story tells ties back to light again. And so this is kind of full circle. And what Dr. Pollock's lab showed and what I have actually shown clinically many times, is that infrared light, so the wavelength range of light that we feel is heat, which the sunlight always contains. No matter if it's a cloudy day, rainy day, sunny, it always contains at least 40 to 50% of its wavelengths in that infrared range. And so the infrared light actually literally expands the exclusion zone. You can see in before and after images in the lab, where they'll build an exclusion zone, which can happen. It's an easy way to show it, right. How that happens in the body, this exclusion zone that this easy water naturally forms, and then they literally shine an infrared source on it, and then it expands fourfold. It grows. And as it grows, you can see an increase in the negative charge. You can measure that. And so what that. What that tells me is we were literally designed to be in an infrared rich source of lighting all the time. During the daytime, that would have been sunlight. During nighttime, that would have been campfire. And so now. Right, exactly. And so now, all of a sudden, what have we done? We decided that we want our buildings to be energy efficient. So we said, no, no, no, you can't put infrared in your light anymore. You can't use those incandescent bulbs. You have to use these LEDs or these fluorescent bulbs that have zero infrared. We said those windows need to have, have this covering on them and you can't even see it. It's not like you can see a film, but they literally have a film on them that blocks the infrared light from coming inside. So we live in very infrared deficient environments compared to where what we were designed to be in. And the last thing out of nature that supports it is earthing. How many of us go barefoot? I mean, I go barefoot like a weirdo all the time. Right. But that, that's considered, I'm considered so super socially awkward when, when I take my shoes off wherever I am, if I can touch some green space, I'm. It's considered very t. Whereas we were literally designed to be plugged into the earth, whether it was through bare skin or whether it was through natural animal hide. That and the, the surface of the earth is another source of this charge that we can funnel.

You said infrared light. You said the surface of the earth, but then you said the surface of the earth was the third one. I didn't catch the second one.

Oh, I mean, so I think those are the only two that I've mentioned was infrared light coming from the sun. I'm sorry, maybe I said that. Maybe I misspoke.

I just want to make sure I didn't miss something.

Well, also, what I'm saying is in a way, I'm saying we need to bring infrared back into our interior internal environments. Whether that is sourcing some incandescent bulbs.

Whether it is, I have like a red light infrared panel. The red light is different, but the, a lot of them have the infrared.

The near infrared range. Yeah, that's a very synergistic thing and can definitely help. And it's also why I think in the Scandinavian countries they have such a rich history of sauna. Exactly, exactly. As things got darker and colder, they knew that they felt better when they got into a heat source. And so if you can bring infrared back into your daily living environment and then touch the earth and then I hate to say this, right, because they're everywhere but non native EMFs, wireless radiation. So the AirPods, the Apple Watch, the cell phone, Dr. Pollock's lab show that it shrinks the exclusion zone. So we're living in environments that are inherently depleting that water battery, and we need to, to seek out sources of that infrared as well as touch the earth in order to replenish it on a regular basis.

That is fantastic information and advice and thank you for sharing so freely. And, man, we were a month in August, which was like, it was about four weeks, five weeks ago. We were in the Dolomites in the mountains in northern Italy, which borders the Dolomites border Austria, a little bit into Switzerland. But then they're like postcard mountains. Like, it's wild. And they have these things in the mountains there called refugios, which are. Most of them are just restaurants, but some of them have, like, rooms you could stay in. It's for people that are either skiing or hiking, like, in the mountains instead of, like, through backpacking. They will stop at these places and maybe bunk up or something, and then they stop for food. And this isn't like, what you would expect some obscure place to have for food. Like, this is like, we have our own berries. We have our own cows. We make our own cheese. You can't drive to this place. You have to get here on foot. And it's up at, like, you know, 9,000ft altitude. And I'd never seen anything like this before. And I found these restaurants when I was searching before. I always search for restaurants when I go to a place and I found these restaurants, but then I would put it in maps, and there was no way for the car to get to it. And I was like, what the hell? How does this. So I just discarded those ones. And then the first day, we went up on a thing into the mountains, and I saw it, and I'm like, that's. I made a mistake. That's what these are. And these are better than the regular restaurants. But anyways, one of them had a deck, and it was overlooking this absurd mountain valley view. And they had a wooden sauna on the deck, like one of those round ones with the door. And it was beautiful outside. It was warm. It's summer, and I don't love the cold. I don't even like it. I hated Chicago winters, and I wished it was cold. Then that moment, I was like, I wish this was covered in snow and it was freezing, so I could go inside there, because they had it for people in the winter to just hop in the sauna. And then I noticed a bunch of them had saunas and that there was saunas all over. And, like, sauna culture in Europe is, like, a popular thing, and in the US it is not at all. And it definitely should be agreed.

I mean, it makes I always look. So the way I kind of suss out what's happening in the world or new information that I receive, I look into what's the history, what's the Historical usage of something like that and how does nature operate? And if I can kind of cross reference those two things together, it really helps me hone in on what I want to dive deeper into. Saunas, for me, was a no brainer. It was, oh my gosh, this is infrared. We need infrared. There's a historical use of it. Why not explore how we can help people utilize sauna therapy for, you know, to why call it recharge your water battery.

I'd never heard it stated that way, but it gives me another reason to love it. I owned an infrared sauna in the States and it's like the thing I had to lose when I moved over here that like broke my soul because I went in it like almost every single day and I haven't replaced it yet. And it's like when people say, what do you miss about? And I'm like, my infrared sauna. And they're like, no, but what about. I'm like my infrared sauna. And so. And I couldn't explain it, but I just felt better all the time. Like, I just felt. I just felt better. And they're like, what feels better? And I'm like, any way that I can feel better, I feel better. I have like less nagging, chronic little aches and pains. I have more energy, my skin is better. Everything is better. So great advice there. And you're so free and liberal with your education that you share. I want to just thank you for that. You got to follow Carrie on Instagram. What's your Instagram handle?

Carrie B. Wellness. Carrie B.

Well, Carrie B. Wellness. And that is where you will find the best education. Like you could get an awesome level education just by going to her Instagram page. And then she has a bunch of courses which we're going to get a link. I'll make a link. We'll call it RebelHealth Co Quantum. And that will forward to Carrie's courses. And most of her courses now are pay what you can because she's so generous. Now you have a practitioner training. Practitioners listen to our stuff. So if you're a practitioner out there and you want to really get into this and learn how to implement this in your practice, whether you're a doctor or health practitioner of some kind, coach, nutritionist, any fitness people would benefit from this. There's really nobody who wouldn't. Because we could get into like recovery and performance. There's a million ways this conversation could go microbiome gut. For my microbiome nerds out there, we're going to record that Soon. So she has little mini courses on a bunch of different focuses related to quantum biology and light. And they're pay what you can. So we'll put that link. You can go over there, check those out. The. What's the name of your practitioner training? Where can I learn more about that?

I have a. I have a whole five modules of practitioner videos, tons and tons of videos on, on these various topics. That's just called my practitioner trainings. Those are all pay what you choose, right? Whereas my practitioner, like the one where I mentor people is my practitioner mentorship program. I offer it two to three times a year and it's 10 weeks where we just get to kind of say, okay, these are the clientele I'm dealing with. What do they need when it comes to the quantum health realm? And so, and spoiler alert, we always start with light, right? And we talk all about, you know, how to layer, layer in the light. We talk about the hydration, the water, we talk about the mitochondria. You know, we talk, talk about all these things that I think are overlooked as foundational and really moves the needle. Regardless, as you alluded to, regardless of your specialty or your, your, you know, area of expertise, this only enhances what you currently do.

It's in everything. It's like a. There, there's no. You could take the exact same information and title it something else. Quantum Light Biology Fixes for X and then change the title to something else and something else and something else and something else. And it's. Well, I'm sure there's certain things like putting the infrared light on your bel or like, whatever, but what I'm getting at is that it's for every. Like, we are designed for this. This is like literally how your biology works. And when we remove ourselves from how our biology works, whether it be light, infrared, contact with the earth, all this stuff, and then we put ourselves in environments that is not how our biology works. At some point we're going to finally realize that this is where all the problems with our biology come from. Whether it's chemicals or light or food that isn't food, or sitting all day when our bodies are designed to move, or et cetera, etcetera. So. But this one is such a huge missing piece. And I didn't even get to talk to you about like, how you stumbled across this, which is a whole nother story. So we're gonna have to have you back in the future. And just thank you so much for sharing so much. Go to rebelhealth co Backslash quantum. Check out the courses, pay what you can. If you're a practitioner, reach out to Carrie, follow her on Instagram, because you'll learn tons of stuff. And your graphics and your posts are, like, really fun to read and watch and look at. So thank you so much.

Yeah, thanks for having me. I always love chatting with you, Michael. I'd love to do this again.

All right, great. We'll do it.