Kim Roberts | From Theatre to Television: Kim Roberts' Path to Stardom

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Oh, golly, my. Because for being an actor is because it's just in me. You know, it's the kind of thing that when I have the opportunity to do the thing that I love to practice my craft, it's like breathing, right? It's a source of air that I can't get anywhere else.

So for me, mentorship is wisdom, right? Like it's not experience, it's wisdom. It's like, hey, you should do this because it's a lesson learned from me, right? And I totally see you as being that mentor. And for you, it was probably a little bit harder starting out, right?

Because I mean, I won't say that I didn't have guidance and wisdom. I did. You know, there was a generation that came before me and they were, you know, knocking down those doors as well. So luckily I had a couple of mentors who shared their experience with me.

Acting, directing, being involved in the arts has been a thing since you were a kid, right? So when did you realize that that was something you actually wanted to do?

I don't think I did, honestly. I think, I mean, it was something I did because I loved it. I always joined the drama clubs, I always took part in the school plays, whatever was going right? Cause I loved doing it.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged. And our guest today is a repeat, one of my friends. We're talking about a dynamic, multifaceted, trailblazing and inspirational actress who has graced the screens with unforgettable roles in movies and films, in theater, and you name it, she's done it. From voicing the beloved Mayor Goodway and Paw Patrol to delivering compelling roles in the Handmaid Tale and Schitt's Creek, get ready for an engaging conversation with the remarkable, the charismatic, the fearless and the talented Ms. Kim Roberts. Kim, how are you doing today, dear?

I'm great. After an introduction like that. I mean, I just show up here every day.

Mick, I'll have you every day too. So, Kim, glad to have you back on the show. One of my favorite people on earth is Kim Roberts. So just honored to have you here. And I know you've had a busy theater season and we were just talking offline and you were like, mick, I'm ready for a break.

Yeah. Everybody's like, what's next? I'm like, club bed. Club Bed is next. Club Bed for like a month.

Club Bed. I love it. I love it. So, Kim, again, for those that don't know your story and your journey, I always like to start with your. Because that thing that motivates you, that keeps you focused on the prize at hand. And if we were to talk about today, what is Kim Roberts? Because.

Oh, golly, there are a few. My because for being an actor is because it's just in me, you know, it's the kind of thing that when I have the opportunity to do the thing that I love, to practice my craft, it's like breathing, right? It's a source of air that I can't get anywhere else. So that would be the because. But there are more. Because it's also at this point in my career because I am laying track for those that are coming behind me. I feel like I've been doing that throughout my career. You know, there are doors that weren't open when I got into this business that now I see the next generation just flying through. They run in, they're like, yeah, we want this, we want that. I was just like, thank you. Thank you for letting me be here, you know, when it was my turn. So it's really nice to see the progression. It's nice to see that the work you do opens the doors for others to follow. Working on this, the play that I did this summer at Stratford, get that Hope. I worked with two younger actors who are phenomenally gifted, Savion Roach and Celia Loma. And, you know, they came with such a level of respect for. For what Conrad Coates and I had already done in our careers. And they were just eager sponges. And I realized that I still have a lot to share. You know, there are things that I've learned throughout my career in terms of acting technique, in terms of the business itself, that really is valuable to the next generation. So there are many reasons to be doing this, and they're all really fulfilling.

Yeah. And you know, Kim, I love the fact that you are a trailblazer, right? And I wholeheartedly believe in mentorship. And for me, mentorship is wisdom, right? Like, it's not experience, it's wisdom. It's like, hey, you should do this, because it's a lesson learned from me. Right. And I totally see you as being that mentor. And for you, it was probably a little bit harder starting out, right, because you crossed over and did things that most people, I'm being honest, that look like us don't get to do, like voice, film and theater. Like, you are the og and I mean that lovingly, right? You are the OG of this. So how did Kim start her trailblazing career without the guidance, the wisdom that you're able to provide people today?

Well, I mean, I won't say that I didn't have guidance and wisdom. I did. You know, there was a generation that came before me, and they were, you know, knocking down those doors as well. So luckily, I had a couple of mentors who shared their experience with me. And also, most of them were not of color, you know, because at that point in time, there weren't a lot of sisters doing what I'm doing. Right? So I had good teachers, you know, very good allies, people who really just believed in my talent and want to see me succeed. But also, like I said, it's always been the thing that I love to do. So, you know, I say this to anybody who's pursuing all the time. They're like, how do you make it as an actor? How do you keep. I'm just like, if it's in you, it's in you. It's something you're going to have to let out, you know, so just do your work, Be good at it. You know, always be working, always be training, whether you're being paid or not. You Know, I remember when we started, our friends used to get together, actor friends. And we do our own set scene study classes, you know, where we'd bring in scripts or pieces of work and we'd work with each other and then we'd critique each other as actors, you know, and you just kind of got to find it wherever you can as a kid, you know, my cousins used to make us, not make us, but my cousin used to direct us in his performances at summer, so June, you know, school's out and be like, here's a raisin in the sun. Learn it. We're doing it in September for the family. That was my family. Right.

So.

It was kind of like that.

So acting, directing, being involved in the arts has been a thing since you were a kid, right? So when did you realize that that was something you actually wanted to do?

I don't think I did, honestly. I think I really didn't. I mean, it was something I did because I loved it. I always joined the drama clubs, I always took part in school plays, whatever was going right because I loved doing it. But when I went to school, I, you know, I come from a West Indian Caribbean household, first generation Canadian. So, you know, as far as my mother was concerned, I had to be a lawyer or a doctor. Those are the options, you know. And when I was 12, I decided it would be doctor. And then I reached my mid teens, I was like, I don't like blood so much, so maybe we'll do lawyer, you know. And so I went to university. I went to the University of Western Ontario, which is now just Western. And I majored in poli sci, political politics, and I minored in philosophy, which I actually adored. Like, if there was a career in philosophy, that would be another choice. And you know, the thing about it was at that time, you know, in hindsight now I can see some of the reasons why. But at that time I just thought I was a bad kid. Cause I didn't like to go to school. I wouldn't wake up in the morning, you know, I kind of make my midday classes maybe. I played a lot of backgammon with my roommates till like 4am and then was too tired for class. But, you know, it's interesting, a group of us who were kids of color at Western now, you know, many years later, kind of formed an association called Bow Wow, which is black at Western, to help out students with bursaries and support. And in talking to each other, I realized that I wasn't alone. We were all feeling really isolated by Being just like, you know, one kid of color in your whole class. Right. Like there are maybe three to 400 black kids on campus out of many thousands. And you talk about that first year experience, frosh week and all that bonding, but I didn't really get invited to a lot of those things. Right. And what happened is you had the Caribbean Students Organization, which formed its own kind of nucleus. And we'd have parties and events and cook, and it became a family. We became a family. To this day, they're still my family. You know, I'm anti to everybody's kids and vice versa. And it's strong and it's beautiful. But in talking to each other, we realized how isolated each of us felt in our experience there. So what happened is I needed extra credits because I was skipping a lot of classes. I took a theater course when I came back to Toronto at York University, and it was, it was, it would have given me an English credit. So that's why I took it. And I love theater, but it was taught by the chair of the theater department, Ron Singer, and he does that, did it as a labor of love every summer. And at the end of the course, you get an evaluation. And he sat me down, he said, I think you could really do this for a living. Would you like to come to York and be a part of our second year stream of theater students? And I. That was a huge honor that I didn't even comprehend. You know, in first year, they. They let in 1500 theater students, and second year goes down to 200. And so he was just like giving me a fast pass. I was like, thank you so much, but I've got a great schedule next year. I've got no classes before 10, no classes after three Fridays off. So I think I'm gonna go back. You know, I got a really good apartment, so I just like my life that was happening in London. So I went back again. Didn't go to classes very much, but had a great year of life with my roommates. And then at the end of that year, I decided to come to York. Asked him if I could come now to. He's like, I'm gone. I'm on sabbatical, you know, pass you over to the next administration. And they were like, we don't know you, but, you know, based on his recommendation, we can put you in a first year. You'll probably be really bored, but if you'd like to come. So I did, you know, just to not be killed by my mom. And again, didn't go to class very much, but got some valuable experience. They threw me out on side jobs that people would call the university looking for students for. And then two years later, somebody I had been in that class with, Diane Roberts, was stage managing a show for a professional theater company and she called and she said, I'd like you to come audition for this.

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A couple of things. One, for the kids listening, Kim said she didn't go to class all the time. Right. Like, still go to class. Two, what was Diane's last name?

Diane Roberts. Same as mine. No relation.

Yeah. There was a little nepotism going on. That's all I'm saying.

There's no relationship.

Nepotism and how you got that role. But it's okay. It's okay.

No relation. I promise.

So that's how it started. And you've portrayed a wide array of characters across different genres.

Yeah.

How do you approach bringing authenticity to such diverse roles? How do you bring Kim into your roles?

Well, there are, you know, various schools of acting. Right. There's the Miser technique. There's a. You know, I can't even remember half of them, but everybody. There are all these techniques out there. I personally have always been the kind of actor who's just very much, you know, the character grows from me. Right. So it's like some people want to put on a character and build certain things. For me, the truth comes from what parts of me relate to this character. Where can I see myself or people I know reflected in this character? And I believe in truth. Right. You have to really start from a place of truth. Something that I find very amusing is people always say, well, how do I know you're not acting right now? You know, how do I know you're I'm like, if I was A, you're not paying me, but B, you know, really, it's my job. But B, it's like, to be an actor, you really have to embrace the truth. You have to embrace the truth in yourself, the truth in humanity. You have to see it, you have to observe it, you have to understand it, because that we can play it without judgment. Whether you're playing a good guy, a bad guy, whatever kind of character you're playing, you have to understand the truth of that person. What they believe, what they feel, what motivates them, why they think they're right. And so, yeah, so, I mean, that's kind of the work of an actor. And so I look for those things within myself. I look for what parts of me resonate with that character. And if I personally don't have much experience, I look for who in my life might, you know, can I reflect upon that is, like, that person or, you know, who can I associate with that character that makes. Gives me an in, gives me some understanding to how that person thinks, you know, and then you just come from a place of truth, and it just kind of grows.

And when we were on last time, I told you how my nieces and nephews, right, When I told them that, hey, I'm interviewing Mayor Goodway, right, from Paw Patrol, and it was gonna be amazing. And I promise you it was. And they still don't believe me, right? So they still don't believe me. They're like, that doesn't sound like Mayor Goodway. I'm like, just trust me. It is.

Oh, well, tell them Chickaletta's in the purse. She's right over there.

Exactly. So how do you prepare for voice acting compared to, like, on screen or live with theater? Because it's got to be a little different, right? Like, you don't get the energy from the person you're working with and all that. So how do you do that?

Well, it's. It's kind of its own. It's its own thing, right? Because you're in the studio. It's you in a booth with producers and a director on the other side of that class, right? They're just telling you what it is they want. But you get to go crazy. You get to be very free in the booth and create, you know, that character. So in terms of, like, Mayor Goodway, for instance, I'll go in. I've got the script. I've read the script. I know what's going on, but I'm really just reciting Mayor Goodway's lines. Nobody's really reciting lines against me. Sometimes the director will feed you back and forth, but I get to just have fun, you know, and paint the words with my voice. And there's a real freedom in voice work because you're not really tied to anything but expressing what's on the page. You know, you don't have to worry about how you look. It's not about makeup or hair or wardrobe. It's not about hitting your mark and being here under this light at the right spot. Right. You know, it's just about freeing yourself up and delving into that character. So it's a lot of fun, actually.

Yeah. So a very smart and talented human being. And I won't say his name out loud because he'll yell at me. But he told me, mick, the best entertainers in the world are theatric actors. Because you've got to be funny, so you got to be a comedian. You got to be able to sing, and you've got to be able to draw the interest and energy from the audience that's there. And you're doing the same thing sometimes multiple times a day, and you've got to bring the same energy. Sometimes you change it up based on what didn't work before, and your castmates have to be able to go with you, and you have to be able to go with your castmates. What does Kim think about that statement?

I think there's a lot of truth to it. The one thing that I think I would add to it is, is that when you're performing in theater, when you're on stage performing before a live audience, there's an element to that that is so exceptionally beautiful that charges an actor, and that's the audience. When you're in the studio doing voice work, it's you, right? Just you when you're on set. It's you and the crew and the fellow actors and the director. But you don't have that feedback when you're on stage. You hear them, you feel them, you see them. They're right in front of you. So they actually do become a part of the work. They inform the work. You know, different audiences, you know, our director would say this all summer long. He's like, you know, you run the show, we charge the show. We're setting the pace. So you don't let them slow you down or speed you up. You do your show, but at the same time, the reactions you're getting totally inform how you feel. There were shows that were so meaningful because the audience was so with us, you know, you'd hear every gasp, you'd feel them crying, you'd hear them laughing, you know, and some audiences that couldn't even get through the show took twice as long because they'd laugh at so many things. They'd get everything. And when you've got that kind of exchange, it's so exhilarating. It's exhilarating. It's like you're really in tandem doing this thing, you know, that you're providing an experience and that people are with you and they're feeling it. And it's a. It's a really wonderful feeling. It's quite exceptional, actually. And so just. Yeah, I think it makes the performances fly. It makes you even more ever present and grounded and in the moment, because something very live is happening, something that can't be repeated ever again. You know, today's show is today's show. And so, yeah, and every show is like that, right? And there'll be some shows where you're like, is there anybody up there? You know, it's very quiet, but, you know, that's when you draw your resources and you really have to bring it, and you have to actually step it up a little bit to make sure that you stay on and that you still give them the experience. And then you'll find out that they. They were just as moved. It's just. It's a different kind of response that you get.

I love it. I want to go back to something that you talked about in the very beginning. So you're first generation Canadian, right? Parents, Caribbean, West Indies, Jamaica, all that. Right. Canada is not the Caribbean. Right.

Not even on the best day, though.

So talk to me about culture for Kim growing up. Like, you've got parents that obviously aren't from Canada, Right. But Kim is in Canada. And for people that don't understand, like, I don't want to say displacement, because it's not displacement, but when you've got culture in one place but home in another place, it can be a little confusing for a child. So I'd love for you to talk through, like, what was that like for you growing up and then establishing your own culture within a culture?

So many things. You know, interestingly enough, I didn't know you could swim in Canada until I was a teenager, because I didn't know we would go, you know, summer, we'd go back to the Caribbean. We'd go to Jamaica on a summer vacation, or we'd go to Dominica, where my mother's from, and we'd Swim in the ocean, you know, and when we were here, my mother didn't do beaches in North America. So I did not even realize. I think it might have been a trip to New York where we visited family and friends. Then we went, you know, they took us to the coast and I swam in the Atlantic Ocean. I was like, what, you guys have an ocean? I'm like, you have. You have an ocean too? It's off the coast. I was like, okay. You know, so there's that. I grew up in a very Italian working class neighborhood. And at the time I was growing up, you know, racism was still a thing. Not that it's not still a thing, but it was a thing. You know, the civil rights movement, it just kind of happened and things were switching and, you know, I was the neighbor. I say specifically Italian working class because it was, you know, very particular culture. There were two parent families everywhere. There was no divorce, there was no separation. My parents, you know, split when I was 7. My dad was kind of back and forth, but it was like ambiguous as to what was going on in their marriage. And I, you know, I was just like, he's away on business. Like, he's been away a long time. And then, you know, growing up because I was one of the only black kids, if not the only. Yeah, I was one of the only ones there was. You know, we had friends down the street who were also black family. And what's interesting is that the girl who's closest to my age, she used to pick on me and fight with me at school to disassociate herself from me, you know, as opposed to where we should. Could have maybe been allies and helped each other. Anything. Brown was a bad word. I remember being, you know, on the playground, you know, chocolate milk or caca merde or whatever was bad word throwing in my direction. There were times I didn't think I'd make it home from school alive. And it was just, it was. It was tough. It was really tough. There was a lot of bullying. There was a lot of name calling. The boy I liked told me he couldn't date me because I was black. This is in great grade, like six. He's like, not. My dad would kill me, kill me. I couldn't. I couldn't take you to the dance. No. You know, so I grew up in a really kind of strange reality. But then on the other side, we had, thankfully, a really strong Caribbean circle of family and friends. And my parents stayed, my mom stayed very connected, you know, and made sure that we were you know, holidays and just weekends we'd hang out with our cousins or whatever. So I had on this other side a real validation of who I was and a real love for Caribbean culture. So I think that helped me maintain a sense of self even though I was being beaten down on at times. There was this real dichotomy growing up and. But then, you know, you joined the larger world. And as I said, I got to university and there are all these, you know, first generation Caribbean kids there as well. And even though we weren't part of the fabric of the school at that time, we formed our own quilt. And it was so strong and so beautiful. We had the best parties. Kids would come from schools all across the country to be at our, you know, cultural show events and parties and whatnot. And we formed bonds that were lifelong and that were so strong. So, you know, was that. That. That quote about something making diamonds, polishing stone? You know, sometimes it's the hardship that. That really makes. Forces you to either shine or, Or. Or bend. And, you know, I think hopefully I came out the right end.

There you go. Good stuff. So did you have jerk chicken in Canada?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All the food is here. There's all the good West Indian food you can get here. Jerk chicken and curry chicken. And, I mean, my mom is from Dominica, which is a Creole island between Guadalupe and Martinique. And so the food from there is also really good. It's like French influence, but it's Caribbean with African roots and just lots of good eats.

You got me hungry now, Kim. I'm not on a diet, but you got me hungry.

That's all good. You'll be doing some uber eats looking for your ackee and saltfish after we get off here.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. So we talked about theatrical, we talked about voiceover. Now let's talk about on screen. And I'm always gonna go. Each time we talk, I talk to you about Schitt's Creek, right? It's just one of those classics. It's one of those shows that's gonna go down in history, right? Like, just classic, you know, so dynamic, so diverse from the crew. So, Kim, walk us through auditioning for that role or hearing about the role, auditioning for the role, getting the role. And then what is it like working with that talented group?

Well, it was such an innocuous thing. You know, it was at the time, nobody knew it was going to be the show that it became.

Right.

And I just, you know, I had an audition like Any other went into the casting suite. It was just the casting director and myself and the reader. You know, I did the scene, I think one, there's only one scene for the audition, or maybe I think there was only the one scene, the one with Johnny Rose, not even the one with Roland. So I read the scene as a bureaucrat kind of thing and the casting director said, thank you, that was great. And I went home. You know, then I hear I booked it fine. And we're shooting, you know, up north in cottage country. So they kind of pick you up and you trek up there and you know, at the time it was just, it was just a show. But I do remember halfway through taping, you know, I'm there with Eugene Levy, who's comic genius. And then, you know, Chris is absolutely phenomenal, who plays Roland. And so I'd done my scene with Eugene and that was a lot of fun. It was just so lovely to ping pong back and forth. And then we, we shot to the second scene when Roland comes in. And I remember at one point a, first of all, like, you know, we just kind of, we had never met each other before. We had never, we hadn't even rehearsed the scene. You know, we did kind of one kind of blocking and immediately like, we just had that chemistry and the fun and the play was there. And so it was, it was a no, it was just a no brainer. It was just an easy scene to shoot. We just played, we had fun. And then I remember when I go back around the desk and the two of them are sparring, I'm looking at Chris Elliott and I'm looking at Eugene Levy and I'm like, this is comedic genius in front of you right now. You need to really just appreciate this moment, you know. And so I really, I did have a, I did have a fangirl moment while being in the scene, being like, yeah, this is, you know, you're playing with the really good, really good talent here. And so that was fun. But, you know, I just, I really enjoyed myself doing that, doing that show, doing that. You know, we shot the scenes in a day and like I said, Chris Elliott was just, you know, it was a joy. We just like, it was, yeah, it was very easy, very natural. And lo and behold, the show became what it was became. You know, nobody could have predicted or even hoped for how big it's become. And it's lovely to feel that I've been a part of something that will be iconic. You know, there'll be one of those shows that gets talked about. Like, when I was young, we had ours, you know.

So, yeah, you get a nice royalty check.

Oh, this is what you don't know about being Canadian. Our royalty checks will buy you that jerk chicken maybe, that you're talking about. That's about it. We don't get paid like y' all do down south. It's a whole different system, which is another topic for another day maybe. But, yeah, no, our royalty checks are horrible. Our deal is not good at all. We get. Our rights get bought out for about four years, and so you don't see anything more. You maybe get like, an extra fee on your fee, but it's not like in the States. Whereas you'll get your full fee once it airs, and then you get royalty checks equivalent to that or even higher. No, I was. We get, like, 17.50 checks.

Wow. So. So essentially, you just get to put it on your resume, is what you're saying.

Pretty much. Pretty much.

Oh, man, that is awesome. Kim, a couple of questions. I want to go rapid fire with Kim, if you're good with that.

Yeah.

All right, first question. What's your most favorite role that you've ever been in?

Rap, dude, it's usually the last one. So Margaret White from Get that Hope that I just played at the Stratford Festival this summer is currently my favorite character. Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

What's a role that you didn't get that you wish you could go back and get?

See, you're supposed to. You forget. You go in the room and you forget about it. So I can't even remember what role I might have wanted.

That's fair.

Yeah.

I don't want you to think about it. Let's not go back.

Okay. Honestly, no idea.

All right. So Auntie Kim's favorite meal that you cook?

I'm a good cook. There are a few. These are tough questions. My favorite meal that I cook, Dude, I don't know. I mean, I roast a good chicken. I make a great curry. Maybe my curry chicken. Yeah, curry chicken.

Okay. I'll be over at 7. Cool. I like it. What's some advice you have for the upcoming actor, Actress of How to have longevity in the entertainment business?

Oh, that's. You just have to stick with it. I think that's the word on the street. It's like, you just do something long enough, don't give up, and, you know, eventually, hopefully you're. You know, you'll have longevity. That's all I could get.

That's the same thing I tell people in business. Just Keep going, right? Like life is going to get hard. If it were easy, there'd be a lot of billionaires walking around. I promise.

So true. So true.

Right? But those that you see successful, it's just. They just kept going. I promise you, they just kept going. All right, so what do you have upcoming?

Well, I'm currently in a film called all the Lost Ones. It's in select theaters here in Canada. Right now it's at the Imagine Carlton cinemas in Toronto, but it's going to be debuting on Paramount Plus December 13th, so you can check that out. Called all the Lost Ones. I'm on paw patrol as Mayor Goodway, as always, and that's so much fun. What else? I mean, I think there's a lot of my old Christmas movies popping up around this time of year, so I've been getting all these texts. We saw you in a Christmas movie. Saw you. So, you know, Christmas dance reunion is out right now. There are a few of them out there. So, yeah, just keep your eyes peeled.

They are. So, ironically, Thanksgiving weekend, right, just happened. I had about 25 people over at the house and my family, I got to fanboy over Kim. I was like, that's Kim. I know Kim. So that was kind of cool.

That's right.

That's awesome.

Was it one of the Christmas movies?

It was nice. Nice. Absolutely.

I'm glad I could have joined you. Here's my turkey.

Absolutely. So all you had to do was bring the curry chicken and Thanksgiving would have been complete.

I'm like, where's my turkey plate? Since I was a part of the family gathering, I'm expecting a little package.

I got you covered.

Okay.

I got you covered because I did the turkey. So there we go.

You did. It was good.

There's no more. And it didn't get thrown away.

Well, that's a testament. I'm sure it was great.

That's all we can say. So that is awesome. So December 13th, which is literally right around the corner.

It is.

You've got something coming out. Anything else you want the world to know about Ms. Kim Roberts?

Just. I love you guys. Thank you for, you know, following my career and, you know, being there. I'm. Yeah. Just happy to be a part of this industry and getting to do the thing that I love to do.

I love it. And just so you know, so the listeners and viewers know, like, been a big fan of Kim. I like to say we're almost like friends and family now. Like, we. We talk to each other on Instagram a lot. One of the best followers you can have on Instagram is Kim Roberts, like, just. Just amazing human being. And all of you know, I just love humans that are good humans, and Kim is at the very top of that list. So, Kim, I just wanted you to know that I wanted to tell you that and not message you that.

Thank you, Mick. That's very kind. I feel the same way about you. You're just amazing. I love getting to sit down and talk with you. Any. Any. And every time.

There we go. Well, we'll make this a regular thing.

How about that?

When you come back from Jamaica, I know you're going on vacation.

I am. I'm going to get a little sun, a little rum, a little family time. It'll be good.

All right, well, I want you to bring me something back. Any of the. The rum. The. The curry chicken. The rum. The rum. Like, whatever you want to bring back rum, like, you just. You let me know.

I. Well, I'm actually on a hunt. Ray and nephew has been unavailable for almost a year. And that is my rum. I mean, you can't be a Jamaican without a bottle in your house. So I'm going looking for it. So.

Yeah, there you go.

If I find it, I got you.

I appreciate you. Well, Kim, again, thank you for your time. Thank you for just being you and always being available to me. I appreciate you, Derek.

Oh, it's a pleasure, Mick. Thanks for having me.

You got it. And for all the listeners and viewers, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it.

Thank you for tuning in to Mick. Unplugged. Keep pushing your limits, embracing your purpose and chasing greatness. Until next time, stay unstoppable.